[RBW] Re: Thumbshifters

[Kiley Demond]

Thank you. The only issue is I kinda like indexing shifters... 

On Sunday, March 17, 2024 at 6:06:01 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> You swap 'em without cables installed: left goes on right, right goes on 
> left. Then you put the cables on and run them in friction. 
>
> Once it's done it will seem simple but I can verify the brain takes a 
> minute to grasp the idea. 
>
> On Saturday, March 16, 2024 at 11:15:30 AM UTC-7 Kiley Demond wrote:
>
>> I am *still* getting my Clem L finished (it was 'found' stock which I 
>> now understand was not in inventory originally because it had issues which 
>> weren't tracked so I received a bike with build issues). I didn't like the 
>> shifter arrangement so I purchased Microshift thumbshifters. When I put new 
>> shifters on my Cheviot, I don't recall which ones I purchased, but I do 
>> know they were easy to reverse on the holders. This doesn't seem possible 
>> with the Mircroshift shifters. 
>>
>> I am looking for corroboration that they cannot be reversed (the 
>> internal stack) on the holders. As it stands, they are on the outside of 
>> the handlebars. Then, assuming I am correct, I am looking for 
>> recommendations on other shifters that will work (i.e. Silver, Sunrace, Dia 
>> Compe). 
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> kiley
>>
>

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[RBW] Thumbshifters

[Kiley Demond]

I am *still* getting my Clem L finished (it was 'found' stock which I now 
understand was not in inventory originally because it had issues which 
weren't tracked so I received a bike with build issues). I didn't like the 
shifter arrangement so I purchased Microshift thumbshifters. When I put new 
shifters on my Cheviot, I don't recall which ones I purchased, but I do 
know they were easy to reverse on the holders. This doesn't seem possible 
with the Mircroshift shifters. 

I am looking for corroboration that they cannot be reversed (the internal 
stack) on the holders. As it stands, they are on the outside of the 
handlebars. Then, assuming I am correct, I am looking for recommendations 
on other shifters that will work (i.e. Silver, Sunrace, Dia Compe). 

Thank you!

kiley

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[RBW] Re: Bike Rack

[Kiley Demond]

Super-size the question: My Clem L is a 59; looking/considering a Clem L 64 
for my HE (husband equivalent). How in the world do we transport these 
behemoths? The idea is for some off-road, away-from-home adventures, but 
the whole rack thing needs to be managed. We could remove wheels for 
transport, but then need a rack that will take the 'L' Clems and grab the 
frames. 

Thank you for your collective wisdom!


On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 12:35:15 PM UTC-7 SallyG wrote:

> Hi all!
> Any bike rack you'd recommend for Clem Smith L 45 cm and future Platy 50 
> cm for husband? Kuat or? Model? Thanks for any help!
> Sally
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto rack, silver brakes, LX Rapid Rise, RMX pedals

[Kiley Demond]

How does one tell an R14 from an R15? I believe I have the latter but I am 
not certain. What I *need* is the big one, an R33.

On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 5:43:12 PM UTC-7 jeffbog...@hotmail.com 
wrote:

> NOS Nitto R14 rear rack - $100
> NOS Rivendell Silver brakes - $50
> NOS LX RR rear derailleur - $50
> RMX sneaker pedals - $20
>
> Rack, Brakes, Rear Derailleur used < 45 miles, perfect shape.
> Please send PM for interest, thanks for looking!
>
> Jeff
> (Alabama)
>

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[RBW] Re: Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Kiley Demond]

Riding the bike? Always. Not too precious. But, when I lived in the Bay 
Area, I worried about my bikes being stolen and it marred the 
experience—and they weren't Rivs. Worried a bit in Ann Arbor, MI when I was 
there with my Cheviot, but I rode it to and from work mostly through a 
park, but not for shopping because Ann Arbor didn't have bike-safe streets. 
I don't worry about physical damage; all earned and most can be fixed. But 
a bike being stolen is a violation and I would have a hard time with that. 
Thank heavens my bikes are big and heavy and I live in a much safer area 
now. I will ride to the dog park, on errands, to events at parks, etc. Ride 
on!

On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 3:15:18 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Did you read Grant’s Blahg? He covers a lot of ground, but most notable to 
> me was the Please Don’t Be Precious About Your Rivendell section. In sum, 
> Grant is saying it saddens him to think of people riding beater bikes 
> instead of their Rivendells to do daily, monotonous tasks - because those 
> tasks make up a lot of real life. If one “saves” their Rivendell, it will 
> not realize its potential, sit mostly unused and then pass to one’s heirs 
> who will sell it in “near mint” condition on EBay, and how sad. What was 
> the bike for?
>
> I have found myself both guilty and innocent on the matter. My #1 favorite 
> bike is my raspberry Platypus. I ride it all the time, because I bought it 
> to ride it, but I also dread any harm coming to it, and I do guard it from 
> that. I got a second Platypus that I dedicated to shopping and traveling 
> with and promised not to be precious about it. But now and then I still am 
> tempted to backslide. When traveling to the Philly Bike Expo I dithered 
> about which bike to bring. I didn’t want my raspberry Platy damaged while 
> locked up at racks and I feared it being stolen. Roberta said, “I don’t 
> think you have a choice, Leah. That’s the bike people will expect you to 
> bring.” And she was right, and I did. 
>
> Then, there is Pam. Pam is at the other far end of the spectrum. Her bike 
> is a model of beausage. Innumerable paint chips and little spots of rust 
> cover her tiny Betty frame. Her Backabike bags are full of holes and the 
> elastic closures are worn out. She locks it up and never worries about it. 
> She did not obsessively stare out the restaurant window to see if it was 
> still locked to the rack while we were at dinner (like yours truly). But 
> she loves her bike, has real affection for it. She looked at me, eyes 
> shining, and said exactly that. Ana, PurpleRiv, is another good example to 
> us. She adores her bike, but has not spared it from hard work. Her bike has 
> hauled obscene loads and taken her everywhere. I remember there was that 
> one fateful camping trip for she 1. Posed it for a photo, only to have it 
> topple and slide down the face of a boulder next to it. I believe she said 
> she sat there and wept for 2 hours over her Joe Bell paint. And who among 
> us would not do the same? 2. Same trip, another photo op, and the bike fell 
> off a cliff. 
>
> So, who truly loves their Rivendell? The one who lavishes it with care and 
> protection? Or the one who pulls it out of the garage and into all of life 
> - the mundane and the adventurous? 
>
> On one end of the spectrum we have those who will only take a Rivendell 
> out for special occasions so as not to spoil it, and on the other…well, we 
> have Pam and Ana, who will give it a good thrashing. (Oh, don’t take it 
> personally, friends, I’m being funny about both types of owners.)
>
> I find myself wanting to be precious but fighting it and succeeding *most* 
> of the time. I’m lucky that the raspberry paint hides beausage and dirt, so 
> it looks pretty new. But a dent in the top tube or a large chip in the 
> paint would really hurt my feelings. Heaven help me. 
>
> Where are you on the spectrum? What words of wisdom might you have? What 
> strategies do you employ? Do you want to change? Or are you 
> unapologetically staying put on the matter? It might be fun to hear 
> perspectives.
> Leah
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Kiley Demond]

Say, what now? Off-topic insertion.
I have a new Clem and a two-legged kickstand. I carry an 18-lb dog on the 
back frequently. What is the prognosis?

kiley

On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 8:37:19 PM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Jay,
> Today, I just installed a double-legged kickstand on my Clem "L".  If I do 
> not carry a heavy loads on the back end of my bike, like you did, I should 
> be fine ?...regarding possible damage of separating the kickstand frame 
> plate. 
>
> Thank-you,
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA. 
>
> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:39:40 PM UTC-7 Jay Lonner wrote:
>
>> No damage that I could detect. The kickstand plate isn’t integral to the 
>> frame, it’s just tacked on with some not-very-strong welds. I’m fairly 
>> certain it could be removed with only superficial damage to the paint, but 
>> then I’d have nothing to attach a fender to. 
>>
>> Jay Lonner
>> Bellingham, WA
>>
>> Sent from my Atari 400
>>
>> On Nov 5, 2022, at 6:13 PM, Piaw Na  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> No damage to the frame? Or did you have to get it repaired?
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 6:08 PM Jay Lonner  wrote:
>>
>> I don’t have a picture, just imagine the weld giving way and the plate 
>>> separating from the seat stays. I was using a double-legged kickstand at 
>>> the time and carrying a fair amount of cargo (see attached), and evidently 
>>> the seesawing action was enough to pry things loose. It bummed me out for 
>>> maybe half a day, but it’s been fine ever since, now I just use the 
>>> kickstand plate as a fender attachment point.
>>>
>>> Jay Lonner
>>> Bellingham, WA
>>>
>>> Sent from my Atari 400
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 5, 2022, at 5:54 PM, Piaw Na  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> What does a peeling mounting plate look like? Anyone have pictures? Not 
>>> that I have kickstands on any of my bikes --- the one on the triplet got 
>>> taken off ages ago... Just curious.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 5:49 PM Richard Rose  wrote:
>>>
 When I was talking to Will about getting a double legged kickstand he 
 warned me about the “peeling” mounting plate on the Clems. But, he thought 
 I would be ok they had beefed them up. So far so good.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Nov 5, 2022, at 7:44 PM, Jay Lonner  wrote:

 
 My Hunq is a daily driver and has the dings and scratches to show for 
 it. Probably the worst one is that the kickstand plate is pried partially 
 loose — no big deal, I just took the kickstand off and used the mounting 
 hardware to snug things back up. Worst case scenario for me is that 
 someday 
 I treat myself to a new paint job and maybe some frame modifications to go 
 along with it. 

 Jay Lonner
 Bellingham, WA

 Sent from my Atari 400

 On Nov 5, 2022, at 4:28 PM, George Schick  wrote:

 I haven't read Grant's Blahg on this matter (the ancient OS on my 
 computer is so out of date that I can't load certain websites), but what 
 he 
 has to say does not surprise me.  He's always been all about what he calls 
 "beausage," a term he coined to mean "beauty through usage," or IOW don't 
 sweat all of the nicks and scratches, "just ride" your bike and be happy.  
 The good news though is that there is a happy middle ground between the 
 complete over-the-top utility use of a bike (like Pam's), ignoring any 
 wear 
 and tear versus a finicky protectiveness, hovering over the bike at all 
 times and worrying about theft, damage, etc.  And in my way of thinking 
 that means "just ride" it for all it's worth, but don't just throw it in 
 the corner until the next ride, but take good care of it.  Another way of 
 saying that might be, "... take good care of it and it will take good care 
 of you."
 This is no different than what one might do having just bought a nice 
 new automobile and drives it everywhere, but also maintains it, washes and 
 waxes it regularly, and is careful where they park it.

 On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:14:45 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I love this topic! I had my custom designed to answer the question, 
> "What if I had all the qualities I love about Rivendells in a frame made 
> exactly for my size, weight and riding preferences?", and at first I was 
> super precious about it. Later I realized the whole point was to have a 
> perfect bike I could ride every day for everything and that's what I'm 
> doing.
>
> Of course I'm still absurdly touchy about scratching all that 
> beautiful Joe Bell paint but I don't let it stop me, I lock it up at 
> Walmart, I fill the bags with laundry and go to the laundromat. Because I 
> want my bike to do all the things bikes do!
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 3:15:18 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> Did you read Grant’s Blahg? He covers a 

[RBW] My New Clem L — 2.0

[Kiley Demond]

So Will (and Riv) did as perfect a job as possible of fixing the issues 
with my new Clem. I have new slightly upgraded wheels and touch-up paint 
for the scrape. I'm sure there were a lot of phone calls made when they got 
the wonky wheels back; the LBS that did the tire/cassette swap said it was 
like the spokes or spoke holders had never been threaded. The torture of 
waiting was greatly reduced by living 2-day UPS Ground away from Riv.

I have ridden it several times, making adjustments all the while, but 
before I launch into that, may I say, it is the most beautiful blue I could 
imagine for a bike. I wanted an orange Clem, but I am really loving this 
color. Of course, all the blue accessories I saved from my orange Cheviot 
will be sold because they clash with this Riv blue. 

Homecoming was interrupted by an end-of-summer, two-day camping dash to 
Sedona. I thought I would ride for a week before swapping components, but I 
don't have that kind of resolve. The cockpit is a bit of a cock-up. How the 
trigger-shifter/brake on the right side is supposed to be usable is beyond 
me. I was excited by the option of a visual guide for shifting (my 
processor likes to do things backwards so a visual cue is beneficial), but 
in concert with the monstrously large brake levers (I used to have Pauls), 
it is a no-go. The handlebars had to be raised to a near-obscene height. 
So... before heading out to Sedona, I ordered Bosco bars, which I had on my 
Cheviot because the Albatrosses it came with were too short/low. They were 
on the doorstep when I got home.

Boscos arrived in 2 days and now I am messing about with wanting to swap 
the brake levers. Thoughts on shifters? I had Silver shifters on the 
Cheviot and I am not a fan of the current set-up. The current shifter 
situation may work out when I swap the brake levers out for Paul levers. 

Working on a name... My Cheviot was Heidi. My white VWs are Mindy (from 
Colorado) and Shelby (from South Carolina). I was thinking 'Robin' but I 
prefer the 'ie' sound at the end. 

I have a set of Tosco bars for sale . And I am seeking cork grips for 
when I finally have the cockpit dialed in. I'll do separate posts for both 
of those. 

Photos coming when it is as it will be for more than a couple of days 樂.

kiley, out.

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[RBW] Re: Clem L: Color It Mine!

[Kiley Demond]

Update to the Update

Still no riding . The LBS working on the wheel said that after truing it, 
it went right back out after putting a load on it. They believe one end of 
alternating spokes/spoke holes weren't threaded when built. So... Riv is 
sending out two replacement wheels and I will send these back. Maybe riding 
Tuesday? Sigh.

On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 5:30:31 PM UTC-7 Kiley Demond wrote:

> I did it! I received the “BIS” (back in stock) email from Riv the weekend 
> before last and bought a Clem L 59cm in blue! (I wonder where it was hiding 
> in the warehouse or was it in a new container with Homers?)  I wanted an 
> older gen in orange but what did I know? Blue is my second favorite color. 
> Probably a better option because as a direct buyer of a new bike, the bike 
> is warrantied as long as I own it. And the price was great! It hasn’t gone 
> up in price so at $2050, a total bargain. And as a (female) American, I am 
> motivated by a “deal” . 
>
> And of course, getting to ride! I have a bike that I have been “using” in 
> the interim. Quote marks because I didn’t use it more than a couple of 
> times all summer. I think it was subconsciously too daunting because it 
> didn’t feel safe & secure, which is a Riv cornerstone. (And, there are 
> already people who have added electric pedal-assist, which is a distinct 
> possibility for the future, and I will not have to re-invent the wheel 來.) 
> My energy soared as soon as I completed the purchase. I am beset with new 
> bike excitement!
>
> Update: Bike arrived in 5 days! Seat tube tang got bent a smidge by some 
> transport company (turned the box upside down because those big ↑ on the 
> box are not enough—fabricator beau fixed it in a minute; now I need to seal 
> the seat tube opening due to paint being scraped off to bare steel). 
>
> I have been busy the last couple of days with a friend's Celebration of 
> Life, but can now turn my attention to my retirement bicycle! Let the 
> pimping begin! Photos to follow when I get it a little further along. I 
> have straddled it in my living room a couple of times and bless the 'L''! 
>
> First ride tomorrow! I'm bck! 
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem L: Color It Mine!

[Kiley Demond]

Wah! My HE (husband equivalent) has been helping me set it up (a far cry 
from putting my Cheviot together by myself 7 years ago). Anyway, the rear 
wheel is out of true. I talked to Will and I am taking it to a bike shop to 
have the appropriate spokes tightened to get it back true. My plan is to 
ride it stock (except the seat & seat post) for a couple of days before I 
start considering alterations and component swaps. First thing I noticed 
(while on it in my living room ) was that the saddle (my Rivet saddle on 
the Nitto set-back post) doesn't have to be as far back as on the Cheviot. 
However, the Tosco bars may be a bit too short, but again... stock for a 
week.

I'll be back as soon as I actually get to ride it.

On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 5:30:31 PM UTC-7 Kiley Demond wrote:

> I did it! I received the “BIS” (back in stock) email from Riv the weekend 
> before last and bought a Clem L 59cm in blue! (I wonder where it was hiding 
> in the warehouse or was it in a new container with Homers?)  I wanted an 
> older gen in orange but what did I know? Blue is my second favorite color. 
> Probably a better option because as a direct buyer of a new bike, the bike 
> is warrantied as long as I own it. And the price was great! It hasn’t gone 
> up in price so at $2050, a total bargain. And as a (female) American, I am 
> motivated by a “deal” . 
>
> And of course, getting to ride! I have a bike that I have been “using” in 
> the interim. Quote marks because I didn’t use it more than a couple of 
> times all summer. I think it was subconsciously too daunting because it 
> didn’t feel safe & secure, which is a Riv cornerstone. (And, there are 
> already people who have added electric pedal-assist, which is a distinct 
> possibility for the future, and I will not have to re-invent the wheel 來.) 
> My energy soared as soon as I completed the purchase. I am beset with new 
> bike excitement!
>
> Update: Bike arrived in 5 days! Seat tube tang got bent a smidge by some 
> transport company (turned the box upside down because those big ↑ on the 
> box are not enough—fabricator beau fixed it in a minute; now I need to seal 
> the seat tube opening due to paint being scraped off to bare steel). 
>
> I have been busy the last couple of days with a friend's Celebration of 
> Life, but can now turn my attention to my retirement bicycle! Let the 
> pimping begin! Photos to follow when I get it a little further along. I 
> have straddled it in my living room a couple of times and bless the 'L''! 
>
> First ride tomorrow! I'm bck! 
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Clem L: Color It Mine!

[Kiley Demond]

 

I did it! I received the “BIS” (back in stock) email from Riv the weekend 
before last and bought a Clem L 59cm in blue! (I wonder where it was hiding 
in the warehouse or was it in a new container with Homers?)  I wanted an 
older gen in orange but what did I know? Blue is my second favorite color. 
Probably a better option because as a direct buyer of a new bike, the bike 
is warrantied as long as I own it. And the price was great! It hasn’t gone 
up in price so at $2050, a total bargain. And as a (female) American, I am 
motivated by a “deal” . 

And of course, getting to ride! I have a bike that I have been “using” in 
the interim. Quote marks because I didn’t use it more than a couple of 
times all summer. I think it was subconsciously too daunting because it 
didn’t feel safe & secure, which is a Riv cornerstone. (And, there are 
already people who have added electric pedal-assist, which is a distinct 
possibility for the future, and I will not have to re-invent the wheel 來.) 
My energy soared as soon as I completed the purchase. I am beset with new 
bike excitement!

Update: Bike arrived in 5 days! Seat tube tang got bent a smidge by some 
transport company (turned the box upside down because those big ↑ on the 
box are not enough—fabricator beau fixed it in a minute; now I need to seal 
the seat tube opening due to paint being scraped off to bare steel). 

I have been busy the last couple of days with a friend's Celebration of 
Life, but can now turn my attention to my retirement bicycle! Let the 
pimping begin! Photos to follow when I get it a little further along. I 
have straddled it in my living room a couple of times and bless the 'L''! 

First ride tomorrow! I'm bck! 




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[RBW] Re: What to get, what to get....

[Kiley Demond]

Thank you for the reply! I loved the Cheviot, I just wanted to put on tires 
that were wider than it had room. It's a little more civilized than I am. 
The Platy seems skewed towards road riding; I wondered if the Susie/Gus 
wouldn’t be the right direction. That’s when the idea that Riv had 
something new cooking crept it….

On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 3:19:25 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Did you like the Cheviot? The current (slightly longer) version is the 
> Platypus; now with canti/v-brakes I would consider it a low-stepover 
> equivalent to Appaloosa. You would probably ride a 60cm. 
>
> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 2:39:50 PM UTC-7 Kiley Demond wrote:
>
>> Hi- Formerly an active participant, I am now merely an inconsistent 
>> lurker so I may well be asking questions already addressed. I will 
>> gracefully accept links to previous conversations that answer the questions.
>>
>> Since I am approaching this with a wide range of 'acceptable' answers, no 
>> need to limit responses to Rivendell-only possibilities. I know that you 
>> know what I mean when asking for certain things, such as a steel step-thru 
>> frame with great ride-ability and room for wider tires . I don't have to 
>> explain why those things are important. 
>>
>> My dream is a step-thru frame that is long enough in the chain stay to be 
>> stable and handle-well, but not so long as to be cumbersome. With a PBH of 
>> 91 on a 5'10" person, I need all the help I can get with a large bike that 
>> remains wieldy (I assume that is a word). Ideally, it could be fitted to be 
>> a pedal-assist electric bike at some future time.
>>
>> Riding: 20% pavement, 60% gravel/sand/dirt, 20% trails. Want wide-ish 
>> tires but don't want to be a slug on pavement. (Of course, what I want and 
>> physics may not agree.)
>>
>> 1. Is there a new Riv bike on the horizon? I vaguely remember reading 
>> about one, but I could be out of step with reality. This Q is the real 
>> impetus of this post.
>> 2. In the non-Riv world, is there anything along these lines? Perhaps one 
>> that may have (the pleasantries of) disc brakes and an internal hub?  
>> 3. Step-thru frames for the tall?  Perhaps available in northern 
>> Europe where the bike-lovers are frequently tall? I once imported a Dutch 
>> bike, so purchasing options don't have to be restricted to the U.S. (It did 
>> not handle particularly well and made my Cheviot look positively svelte.)
>>
>> My actual Riv experience has been a Cheviot I owned for a couple of years 
>> and lusting after a Clem L. I used to live in the Bay Area and went to 
>> Walnut Creek on a couple of occasions so I rode a few others, but no memory 
>> on the specifics. Sometimes, I think a mixte-style Appaloosa would be ideal 
>> (want to get a 64cm Appy for my HE (husband-equivalent). The list of bikes 
>> I have owned in my life is obscene and not particularly useful for 
>> discussion, especially because it only underscores the lack of rideable 
>> bikes for people with atypical geometry. I loved riding my Riv and want 
>> that joy again. I am not in a (huge) hurry and will wait for the right 
>> ride. 
>>
>> Thank you to all the Riv fans answering Qs on the forum!
>>
>

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[RBW] What to get, what to get....

[Kiley Demond]

Hi- Formerly an active participant, I am now merely an inconsistent lurker 
so I may well be asking questions already addressed. I will gracefully 
accept links to previous conversations that answer the questions.

Since I am approaching this with a wide range of 'acceptable' answers, no 
need to limit responses to Rivendell-only possibilities. I know that you 
know what I mean when asking for certain things, such as a steel step-thru 
frame with great ride-ability and room for wider tires . I don't have to 
explain why those things are important. 

My dream is a step-thru frame that is long enough in the chain stay to be 
stable and handle-well, but not so long as to be cumbersome. With a PBH of 
91 on a 5'10" person, I need all the help I can get with a large bike that 
remains wieldy (I assume that is a word). Ideally, it could be fitted to be 
a pedal-assist electric bike at some future time.

Riding: 20% pavement, 60% gravel/sand/dirt, 20% trails. Want wide-ish tires 
but don't want to be a slug on pavement. (Of course, what I want and 
physics may not agree.)

1. Is there a new Riv bike on the horizon? I vaguely remember reading about 
one, but I could be out of step with reality. This Q is the real impetus of 
this post.
2. In the non-Riv world, is there anything along these lines? Perhaps one 
that may have (the pleasantries of) disc brakes and an internal hub?  
3. Step-thru frames for the tall?  Perhaps available in northern Europe 
where the bike-lovers are frequently tall? I once imported a Dutch bike, so 
purchasing options don't have to be restricted to the U.S. (It did not 
handle particularly well and made my Cheviot look positively svelte.)

My actual Riv experience has been a Cheviot I owned for a couple of years 
and lusting after a Clem L. I used to live in the Bay Area and went to 
Walnut Creek on a couple of occasions so I rode a few others, but no memory 
on the specifics. Sometimes, I think a mixte-style Appaloosa would be ideal 
(want to get a 64cm Appy for my HE (husband-equivalent). The list of bikes 
I have owned in my life is obscene and not particularly useful for 
discussion, especially because it only underscores the lack of rideable 
bikes for people with atypical geometry. I loved riding my Riv and want 
that joy again. I am not in a (huge) hurry and will wait for the right 
ride. 

Thank you to all the Riv fans answering Qs on the forum!

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[RBW] Orange Clem 59 (Sad Face emoji)

[Kiley Demond]

Feeling a little crushed that I missed the sale on my dream bike...

If anyone has (another) one they're willing to part with, please let me 
know...

Clem L Orange 59

Kiley

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[RBW] Re: Betty Foy info request

[Kiley Demond]

There is one on eBay for $2499. It has been listed for months so discerning 
buyers get that it is wildly overpriced, albeit beautiful.

I wanted one after reading the blog article from an Irish lass whose name I 
can't recall. By the time I got to Riv (I lived in the west bay on the 
peninsula so it was only a 2-hour drive ), it was a Cheviot and I ordered 
an orange one, greatly relieved that I wouldn't have to pick the BF green. 
I nearly bought the orange Clem but fell hard for the lugs on which the BF 
hooked me. Now, I'm looking for an orange Clem or will wait for the new 
Hilli-bikes.

Kiley

On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 4:13:22 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> What's the context?  
>
> A. Are you considering buying one?  Can you share the link to a listing?
> B. Or do you have one and need to sell it?  Can you share a picture or 
> size info so we can help you date it?
> C. Or do you have one and want to gather info about it?  Share a picture 
> and/or size info and we can probably help with that too
> D. Or do you really needs a comprehensive manufacturing record for all 
> batches of Betty Foy (and Yves Gomez?).  Or not manufacture, but sales 
> records for all moments in time where Rivendell Bicycle Works had them 
> available for purchase.  Or something even more comprehensive like the 
> marketing run up for the first batch of Betty's through to the marketing 
> announcement of the next version of step through, the Cheviut.
>
> We can probably help piece the story together for any of the above, 
> although D would probably need the most direct help from Rivendell.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 10:23:41 AM UTC-7 womba...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Can anyone tell me what years the Betty Foy was produced? I think 2009 
>> was the first year?
>>
>> Also, were they all made in Taiwan?
>>
>> Thanks! Ann
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Double Rivendell Models

[Kiley Demond]

Some women love shoes, some love bicycles. I, too, identify with the latter.

However, I am someone who has 7 pairs of identical jeans (jean shorts for 
summer) so I never have to think about what I will wear. Sure, the pairs 
cycle through from "going out" to "paint-grade" and vary from dark to 
faded, but I find a version that fits perfectly and that is it. I pair them 
with white t-shirts with variation by season (long sleeves, short sleeves, 
tank). (OK, in the interest of full disclosure, I do have some color in my 
wardrobe, all of which is either a shade of blue or orange, and a few pairs 
of pants in tan or white. I should also note that I have been self-employed 
for over a decade and partially retired.)

As far as bikes go... it is all about space to store them and money tied up 
in them. My riding doesn't have enough variation because I don't ever ride 
for speed anymore, no more lycra road-riding for me (I used to live on the 
most popular bike route in the Bay Area near Stanford); just natural routes 
with little to no traffic. Now, I would consider a second set of wheels and 
doing the necessary mechanicking to change over for a longer road-dominate 
ride. I also recall a short time when I had two cars; I was newly divorced 
and my mid-life crisis consisted of adding a VW Beetle when I had a Honda 
Odyssey. I sold the Beetle after 6 months because I didn't like the 
decision of which car I would take, the maintenance of two cars, jockeying 
the parking, etc. So, I do not appear to be someone who manages multiples 
of similar-purpose items.

More bikes may be in the future though... I would totally get having a 
messed-up version to ride in theft-prone areas and a nice one to ride when 
on a never-getting-off ride, however, I doubt I will be in the former sort 
of location again (oh, my! How do people survive the Bay Area these days? 
Bikes disappear in seconds on college campuses.) My hubby-in-kind loves 
bicycles too, we just picked up a steel recumbent from a thrift store. He 
rides a Scott now, but I feel like there might be a Joe Appaloosa under the 
tree... (he is the 64cm guy, finally found a guy with a longer pbh than 
mine). 

I recognize that this fits as an answer to your OP by a fingernail hold

Cheers, 

kd

On Thursday, June 16, 2022 at 5:52:31 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I got a DM on Instagram from a new Gus owner. He is loving his Gus so much 
> he said he might copy my idea and get another, and set them up differently. 
> I’ve been emailing with a woman who wonders if getting a Rivendell mixte 
> might be worth it since she already has a Clem L. It made me wonder if 
> anyone else has had the same idea. 
>
> Also, this is an excuse to give you my unvarnished opinion on the matter.
>
> When I bought a second Platypus, people did not understand. You have *two, 
> *they would say. I felt stupid admitting it, but I knew it was the right 
> decision. I love a Platy. That model fits me so well, I love to ride it, 
> and I love the look of it, too. Ok, people will say, but what about 
> *variety*? You could get a different bike. True, but I know me. And me is 
> guilty of having 7 pairs of jeans but only wearing 3. I have favorites. 
>
> I regret nothing. I ride both of those Platypuses every single week. When 
> one is out of commission, I am greatly comforted that I have another. They 
> are set up very differently, but I never think, “Oh, I wish this one was 
> like that one.” They are different enough that I feel I have variety, but 
> familiar to me in form and feel. I love to ride them both. And I never feel 
> sheepish when people ask me about why I have two. 
>
> Today, I rode them both, my Pair O’ Platypuses. I started the day running 
> errands by bike. The Overkill Shopping Platypus was the perfect choice for 
> dropping a package at the post office.. Later, I took my sons on the River 
> Trail to do some sightseeing. The Racing Platypus was the perfect choice 
> for that. 
>
> Who else has been secretly coveting a duplicate bike? Who else adores 
> their Rivendell so much that they just want a second of the exact same 
> model? Pics in the next post, so that Google can’t turn them sideways on me…
>
> Leah
>

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[RBW] Re: Older Geometry and Sizing Charts?

[Kiley Demond]

Ah ha! I knew you would have this... Are you able to provide geo charts for 
the iterations of Clem L? I am looking at getting a 2016 and wonder how 
that compares to the 2022 I passed on. Thank you!

On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 10:39:32 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Jason,
>
> Here's a not-very-good screenshot of a geometry page I found. It shows the 
> original geometry and the final Waterford run which had 650B in some sizes. 
>
> On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 7:36:39 PM UTC-7 jkg...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Joe, very helpful and interesting.  I'm now curious how much the 
>> 2007-2012 or so models changed geometry and sizing.
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 6:25:19 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Go here, scroll down to grabs of the original Atlantis catalog and 
>>> Reader articles. Hosted by the moderator of this group. 
>>>
>>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/atlantis/index.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 6:04:58 PM UTC-7 jkg...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hi, all, anyone have links (or pdfs) for older Riv sizing.  I'm 
 particularly curious to know more about how the older Atlantis sizing 
 worked around 2010.  

 Thanks,
 jason

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Craigslist (and others) Bikes For Sale: 3

[Kiley Demond]

Missed this one! Anyone else going to part with a 59 Clem L?
On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 9:29:31 AM UTC-7 Danzem wrote:

> Clementine
> 59cm
> $2000
> San Francisco, CA
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-clem-black-59/7487590750.html
>
> On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 12:38:01 PM UTC-7 Max S wrote:
>
>> Indeed... some people must be clueless. Plus, that saddle slammed all the 
>> way back on its rails - poor seatpost! 
>>
>> On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 2:38:06 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> $3700 for an XO-1. Just by literally any Rivendell and you'll have a 
>>> better bike 
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 11:10:01 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Two Bridgestone XOs on Northern Virginia craigslist. 

 XO-2
 52cm
 $700
 Alexandria, VA 

 https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/bik/d/alexandria-bridgestone-xo/7487241486.html

 XO-1
 52cm
 $3,700 (!!!)
 McLean, VA 

 https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/bik/d/mc-lean-1993bridgestone-xo/7486737255.html

 [image: 00R0R_4dzbuWztfnjz_0ne0ne_600x450.jpg]
 [image: 00808_5v9Ky5oUv7Iz_0CI0lN_600x450.jpg]

 On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 1:53:36 AM UTC-4 Hetchins52 wrote:

> New title fixes the Appaloosa spelling. (Nonetheless, Rivendell is 
> spelled three different ways!)
> Probably a good deal if the big Sackville and a rack come with it!
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/berkeley-rivendell-appaloosa-46cm/7486742585.html
> David
> Berkeley
>
> On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 5:17:30 PM UTC-7 mma...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> In case you missed it, a misspelled "46cm rivendale apolusa", SF 
>> gregslist.
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/berkeley-46cm-rivendale-apolusa/7481031255.html
>>
>> [image: 00t0t_7y44sGOHEg8z_0CI0t2_1200x900.jpg]
>>  
>>
>> On Sat, May 21, 2022 at 1:12 PM Jason  wrote:
>>
>>> Sam Hillborne
>>> 60cm
>>> $1,000
>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1162024001299575/
>>> On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 2:36:24 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Sam Hillborne frame, fork, headset
 62cm
 $1,100
 Havre de Grace, MD

 https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/758797715280300/?ref=search_code=marketplace_search_story_type=post

 [image: 281757366_5077936658980492_8181435420314547667_n.jpg]

 On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 1:59:13 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:

> Hubbuhubbuh
> "Large"
> $3,200 
> Washington, DC
>
> https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/bik/d/washington-large-rivendell-hubbuhubbah/7484571735.html
>
> [image: 00303_1KYarzNVztQz_0jC0eI_600x450.jpg]
>
> On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 12:09:59 AM UTC-4 Matthew Williams 
> wrote:
>
>> Clementine 
>> 52cm 
>> 2000 
>> San Antonio, TX 
>>
>> https://sanantonio.craigslist.org/bik/d/san-antonio-rivendell-clementine/7485092392.html
>
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[RBW] WTB: Orange 59 Clem L or (insert recommendation)

[Kiley Demond]

I had a 60cm Cheviot which I sold in 2018 and have been thinking about the 
orange Clem I passed up when I bought it now that I am ramping up my biking 
again enough warrant a ride that really works for me. I have 93pbh but I’m 
“only” 5’10” so if you can think of another bike (including other steel 
bike brands), that might work, pls let me know! 

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[RBW] Re: Susie v. Clem Help Me Off The Fence

[Kiley Demond]

I am so late to this party What pray tell is a "Gallop"? I clicked on 
the link and am very curious. Yes, it is partly because it is a spectacular 
shade of orange; I am every bit a girl (Like Leah and Raspberry Sparkle) 
and when it comes to orange... And it is a mixte. 

Pointing me to links that discuss this new beast (with the best name in a 
long time), I would be grateful. 

On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 2:36:15 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> @Doug H, I posted the Protogallop in this thread
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/j5vUNKjgsUE/m/rD97QHpSCQAJ
>
> On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 2:48:39 PM UTC-5 Ed Carolipio wrote:
>
>> I have a 45cm Clem L (2017 with 26 x 2.1 tires, SunRingle RhynoLite rims) 
>> and a Small Gus (2020 with 27.5 x 2.4, Cliffhanger rims) so caveat my 
>> experiences as a shorter (78cm PBH) and a "stouter" (220 lbs) rider than 
>> you. Also, I think I'm supposed to be on a 52cm Clem so there's a slight 
>> apples-to-oranges effect in the comparison.
>>
>> I set up the Gus as a trail bike, with a large handlebar bag and a large 
>> saddle bag supported by a Mark's rack, both which center the load 
>> left/right and keeps the weight between the axles. I run the 
>> super-wide-swept back Tosco Bullmoose-style bars. Set up this way I find it 
>> capable and comfortable on our rocky, loose-over-hardpack trails in SoCal 
>> as long as the trail is not overly technical. I have the Clem set up as a 
>> flat bar urban commuter (I'm using a Jones loop) with fenders, a front 
>> basket, and large Nitto rear rack. The Clem L handles "like a Riv," takes 
>> to loads well, and always feels solid.
>>
>> I tried the Gus as a pavement commuter and ... nope. I didn't like how it 
>> steered with a load in a front basket, and too soft a front tire leads self 
>> steering on pavement. I like to run a single heavy pannier when commuting, 
>> and the Gus really didn't like that offset load. (The Clem isn't bothered 
>> by the same load.) The Gus is so much bigger in every dimension than the 
>> Clem L so, as others have pointed out, it's harder to live with in the 
>> city. I haven't tried the Clem L on dirt but I suspect it would perform 
>> competently on groomed dirt paths and maybe some single track when set up 
>> with a swept back Bosco, bag-and-racks, no fenders, and wider tires.
>>
>> That said, I've tried a few setups on the Clem L and have always 
>> preferred the way the Gus rides over it (which granted may be due to the 
>> sizing difference.) Forced between the two, I'd keep the Gus and live with 
>> its shortcomings as a city bike and pavement commuter - I just like the 
>> "rigid steel trail bike" ride which the Gus provides.
>>
>> --Ed C.
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 1:08:51 PM UTC-8 Kiley Demond wrote:
>>
>>> This has probably been hashed over numerous times so at the risk of 
>>> making some of you go "arg!"...
>>>
>>> What are the differences of note between Clem L. and Susie W.? 
>>>
>>>- Handling (stability, nimbleness)
>>>- Wieldy-ness (overall size, weight, etc.)
>>>- Suitability for electrifying at a future date
>>>- Any other thoughts, whether experiential or theoretical
>>>
>>> The person asking is 5'10" 140lbs with a pbh of 91. I had a 60cm Cheviot 
>>> which I loved but sold several years ago when financial issues overrode 
>>> having such a fancy ride. I would prefer to buy a frame only and do the 
>>> build myself. I was gutted when I saw that an orange Susie W. frame was 
>>> listed (and sold); I wasn't paying sufficient attention. I "won" the 
>>> right-to-purchase lottery for a Clem but couldn't do it because they were 
>>> sold as complete and I hadn't done my due diligence on Susie Ws.
>>>
>>> Thank you for your collective insights and wisdom!
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie v. Clem Help Me Off The Fence

[Kiley Demond]

I ride mostly light trails and some roads. More unpaved than paved but 
nothing "gnarly"; I don't have a death wish. 

On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 6:33:50 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> What type of riding are we talking about? To me that would make a 
> difference. If it's mostly paved then I am going to be biased and say wait 
> until the Gallop is officially released. I have my proto built up as a 1x11 
> and with pacenti wheels it's in the 20 lb range. Light, fast and has the 
> great looks of the Susie/Gus. I didn't think it would take over my road 
> specific Saluki but it has. I am contemplating selling/trading the Saluki 
> toward a Clem L for light trail. Or maybe I should set the Saluki up to be 
> trail like. I just love the step through designs.
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 9:55:14 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> This is the sort of report -- there have been others -- that keeps the 
>> Clem, despite my misgivings, on the "some day" list. Well described.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 7:48 PM iamkeith  wrote:
>>
>>> ... The Clem feels like a true Rivendell, with a low center of gravity, 
>>> stable and instantly comfortable.  The steering is pretty quick - like a 
>>> relaxed rivish road bike more than a mountain bike as I was expecting when 
>>> I got it.  As a result, it was quite (most) enjoyable on pavement and at 
>>> speed.  With the long wheelbase, it differed from a "regular" road bike in 
>>> that I felt like every bit of effort translated to forward motion.  Kind of 
>>> like a speed skate versus a hockey skate.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Susie v. Clem Help Me Off The Fence

[Kiley Demond]

 find the Susie to be more 
> restrictive.  It even makes the steering a little too light for me, as I'm 
> forced to be too upright and can't lean my weight forward enough.  In your 
> case, with a shorter torso and longer legs, I'd suspect that you'll find 
> the top tube lengths adequate, but the susie's stack height will be 
> shockingly tall.   
>
> I mentioned that my Clem H had a lot of flex - and mine even had the high 
> top tube!   I can't imagine the L being stiff enough, for the way I like to 
> throw a bike around.  And I understand the new ones are longer, wich should 
> theoretically exacerbate the problem (remember the trouble they had getting 
> the rosco bebe bike to work?).  Yet I never hear anybody complain about 
> this, so it's probably me guessing too hard.   For  probably the same, 
> unexplainable-by-me reason, the Susie is adequately rigid.  And, to 
> politely disagree with Leah, I think it is one of the most attractive frame 
> designs I've ever seen!!!  The Clem L doesn't do it for me aesthetically.  
> I do appreciate the low tube for crotch clearance when riding on trails, 
> when I might suddenly get bumped out of the saddle or have to dab.   But I 
> mount a bike by leaning it toward me and swinging my leg over from behind  
> the saddle, so the "step-through" concept means nothing to me.  
>
> On a related note, I mostly chose the Susie over the Gus because the early 
> gus prototypes had kind of ugly proportiones with the 1 1/8" headtube.  But 
> the final ones, with a thicker downtube, actually ended up looking quite 
> nice.  If I did it again, I'd probably get the Gus for even MORE 
> stiffness.  Especially if I was going to electrify it.
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> On the clem, you can fit 2.4 or 2.5 tires WITH fenders.  On the Susie, I 
> have 2.8 tires, but there's absolutely zero room for fenders... even if 
> there were some available in that size that didn't cost a fortune.   As 
> with all rivs, the crown/length of fork blades seems to be the limiting 
> factor but, on the Susie, it seems exageratedly so.That said, I rarely 
> ever wanted bigger tires on the Clem, and I think I do want smaller tires 
> on the Susie. 
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> FWIW
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> On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 2:08:51 PM UTC-7 Kiley Demond wrote:
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>> This has probably been hashed over numerous times so at the risk of 
>> making some of you go "arg!"...
>>
>> What are the differences of note between Clem L. and Susie W.? 
>>
>>- Handling (stability, nimbleness)
>>- Wieldy-ness (overall size, weight, etc.)
>>- Suitability for electrifying at a future date
>>- Any other thoughts, whether experiential or theoretical
>>
>> The person asking is 5'10" 140lbs with a pbh of 91. I had a 60cm Cheviot 
>> which I loved but sold several years ago when financial issues overrode 
>> having such a fancy ride. I would prefer to buy a frame only and do the 
>> build myself. I was gutted when I saw that an orange Susie W. frame was 
>> listed (and sold); I wasn't paying sufficient attention. I "won" the 
>> right-to-purchase lottery for a Clem but couldn't do it because they were 
>> sold as complete and I hadn't done my due diligence on Susie Ws.
>>
>> Thank you for your collective insights and wisdom!
>>
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[RBW] Susie v. Clem Help Me Off The Fence

[Kiley Demond]

This has probably been hashed over numerous times so at the risk of making 
some of you go "arg!"...

What are the differences of note between Clem L. and Susie W.? 

   - Handling (stability, nimbleness)
   - Wieldy-ness (overall size, weight, etc.)
   - Suitability for electrifying at a future date
   - Any other thoughts, whether experiential or theoretical

The person asking is 5'10" 140lbs with a pbh of 91. I had a 60cm Cheviot 
which I loved but sold several years ago when financial issues overrode 
having such a fancy ride. I would prefer to buy a frame only and do the 
build myself. I was gutted when I saw that an orange Susie W. frame was 
listed (and sold); I wasn't paying sufficient attention. I "won" the 
right-to-purchase lottery for a Clem but couldn't do it because they were 
sold as complete and I hadn't done my due diligence on Susie Ws.

Thank you for your collective insights and wisdom!

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[RBW] Electrifying

[Kiley Demond]

Which is easier to electrify? Clem L or Susie W? Any advantages or 
disadvantages one over the other? Thank you! 

Yes... it has been a couple of years. 

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[RBW] Re: What shade of orange?

[Kiley Demond]

OK, I have to weigh in because my favorite color is orange. I am a student 
of orange. True orange is a bit like red, in that a little goes a long way.

In 2015, when I went to Riv to pick a bike in any color as long as it was 
orange, I picked the Cheviot over the Clem L. Part of the reason I went 
with the Cheviot was it was a nicer shade orange. The trick with 'good' 
orange is that it not have any neon effect, errs on the side of red, not 
pink, and is saturated. The Cheviot orange was darn near perfect, whatever 
its color number might have been.

P.S. I took my love of orange and bicycles, and the extra height, as sure 
signs I was part Dutch. Ancestry.com has (orange) crushed that dream.  


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[RBW] Re: Pedals

[Kiley Demond]

Doug, I too found that the side I wanted was always facing down (perhaps a 
switchable plug-in weight that screws in on the opposite side of the one 
you want to use? Oh, make it magnetic...). The last time I used these 
pedals was when I fell avoiding a rock (on my Raleigh RX1 cyclocross bike), 
and the teeth gashed my ankle. I was outraged. I couldn't believe pedals 
like this were even allowed on the market! I was all set to write my 
congressperson and leave scathing reviews everywhere, but eventually, I 
reset to owning my s#*t, and let it and the pedals go.

On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 2:38:53 PM UTC-7, Doug Hansford wrote:
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> Steve,
> I have tried the Shimano pedals with SPD on one side and flat on the other 
> and could never get comfortable using them. The pedal always seemed to have 
> the side I needed facing downward. Thanks for the feedback.
> Doug
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[RBW] Re: Pedals

[Kiley Demond]

Thank you for the link. I love all things magnetic and these pedals are 
very interesting; the clipless pedal twist requires muscle-memory that can 
be challenging for some. Magnets would allow for a simple lift-off, which 
the brain already knows. The bio-mechanics inspired pedals are *very* 
interesting as pedaling into my 60s has brought some attention to my knees. 
I shall investigate these further ;-). 

On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 2:59:37 PM UTC-7, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA wrote:
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> On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 10:46:34 AM UTC-7, Doug Hansford wrote:
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>> I saw an interesting article about innovative pedal design and it got me 
>> to thinking. Why do I use the pedals that I use? I like platform pedals 
>> after using clipless for many years for both road riding and single track. 
>> My current are Shimano steel. Which pedals do you use and why?  Link to the 
>> article below:
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>> https://newatlas.com/bicycles/bike-pedals-unique/
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[RBW] Re: Pedals

[Kiley Demond]

My pedal of choice is the Velo Orange Grand Cru Sabot 
. 
I gave up clipless (Shimano dualies) because I unclipped on the wrong side 
one too many times (hemispheric reversal: I *know* which direction, but my 
brain sends the instructions to the opposite side). The MKS pedals hurt, I 
could feel those spikey things through the soles of most of my shoes, only 
my Keen bike sandals shielded my foot. I have metatarsalgia, a fancy name 
for a frequent result of flat feet, such that the ball of the foot has very 
little padding, so the pressure of pedaling is placed on unpadded bone. 
Orthotics make walking fine, but there aren't orthotics for pedaling which 
utilizes only a portion of the foot. The Sabot also accommodates a foot 
strike that comes down slightly off the geometry-presumed target for 
whatever reason, a few of which could be feet that are on the edges of the 
bell-shaped foot-size curve, hips that are wider resulting in an outside 
edge strike, or unusually long or short femurs resulting in a natural 
strike fore or aft of center. 
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And they are freakin' gorgeous.

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[RBW] Re: Favorite Rivendell model names?

[Kiley Demond]

I like Homer. Don't know about the Hilsen part, I tend to be on a 
first-name basis with my bikes. I'm not sure why, perhaps because I also 
like the 'Henry' rifle; or maybe it is just a baseball or Simpsons 
connection. Just something old-timey day about those names. I like Sam too 
although I have never bothered to look up who it is named for, just a good 
'buddy' name. I'd name a step-thru bike Susan B. for Susan B. Anthony and 
call her Sue. You know, like the song, "A Bike Named Sue".

I like 'Hunquapillar' a lot because it describes the bike, so perhaps 
another would be the 'Gazellapillar' or ... Same for Cheviot although I 
couldn't get the 'ut' pronunciation down (despite living in a town spelled 
Prescott, but pronounced 'Preskitt').

The most genius name is 'Rivelo' which is the independent Rivendell bike 
store in Portland, not a bike. I am not a big Lord of the Rings trilogy fan 
(but every guy I have ever been with is/was), or I would undoubtedly be 
able to come up with new names. 

Cheers.

On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 7:17:21 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote:
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> Or, “Let’s Fight About Something On Topic!” 
>
> Let’s hear your most and least favorite Rivendell model names. No name 
> calling, even about the names. 
>
> What is your favorite Rivendell model name? Mine is Legolas. It’s real 
> hard to separate out the bike itself from the name for me. For example, I 
> don’t like the Sam Hillborn name, but that might be because it sounded like 
> a downmarket A. Homer Hilsen. On the other hand, I LOVE the name Platypus, 
> and want one of those bikes no matter what it looks like! 
>
> Hunqapillar - how genius is that?! 
> Wolbis Slugstone, though? My least favorite, in a walk. 
>
> I only ask because I found this anonymous poll about Rivendell model 
> names: https://forms.gle/FEf5TeFkr4fZQdxEA 
>
> Philip 
> Santa Rosa, CA 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale

[Kiley Demond]

I worked in Silicon Valley for 30+ years and one of my friends who worked at 
Google would respond to factual questions with, “Have you heard about this 
thing called Google?”, as did other employees there. Just as my parents sent me 
to a dictionary while I wailed, “Can’t you just tell me what it means?”, I find 
I send my son to Google. Resourcefulness is one of my signature quality. Thank 
you, Mom & Dad.







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> Wisdom, this. "... and I failed to utilize google ..."
> 
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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> On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 1:28:38 PM UTC-6, Kiley Demond wrote:> Thank 
> you! My school was private with no religious affiliation so I was confused by 
> the reference (and I failed to utilize google….). 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale

[Kiley Demond]

Thank you! My school was private with no religious affiliation so I was 
confused by the reference (and I failed to utilize google….). 







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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale

[Kiley Demond]

I went to an all girls school founded in 1884 whose mascot is the beaver, as 
the animal embodiment of industriousness. That went sideways somewhere in the 
1980s or 90s. I remember trying to use “what was your high school’s mascot?” as 
a security question and entering “beaver" and having the site reject it as 
unacceptable. 












> On May 27, 2020, at 7:01 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
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> gleaming "Maxilary Central Incisors". The name stopped after I chipped the 
> left one: 1964 or so, age 9, skateboards new, friend had one, placed it on 
> the concrete driveway, thought it brilliant to run and do belly flop on 
> board, overshot, true story. But I have no animus against beavers; they're 
> rather interesting beasts ("beast" is a standard classification term), 
> certainly more interesting than kittens and puppies. 
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> On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 4:31 AM EricP > wrote:
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>>  As for platypus - well, unfortunately, that was my elementary school 
>> nickname when being picked on. Since then have never liked the word. Nothing 
>> against the animal, or the proposed bike. But the name alone would be a 
>> no-go. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale

[Kiley Demond]

I do not exactly when and how many are arriving. I am confident when they 
arrive my spidey-sense will get me there in time. I would get the blue for 
sure. My second, and really only other choice, is orange. I can’t recall a red 
Riv. My college bike was a red Raleigh and I got red because that was the only 
color available in my size at the LBS. My first car was a red Honda Civic and I 
got red because the only other color it came in was the only color I like less 
than red, black. So clearly, I will not be on red bandwagon. I’m actually quite 
fond of the blue and shall enjoy curating components while I wait! 

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Re: [RBW] Not Buying New Goat, WTB Clem

[Kiley Demond]

Weird. I thought I posted the pictures. Wonder where that post went... 
Well, this time, all pics and no editorial comments.

On Saturday, May 16, 2020 at 12:35:55 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
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[RBW] Re: Clem PreSale

[Kiley Demond]

Zoinks! It's time! Before I put the money in for a 59 complete Clem L, 
which I am shortening to CLem (the other being CHlem, where the 'h' is 
silent), what say the spec nerds about the components this time around? I 
know the tires are too narrow, so I will have to swap those out (and 
evidently take the others along for the ride). On my Cheviot, I swapped out 
the cranks to accommodate my absurdly long femurs. I think I will 
Leah-lighten it, so at some point, it would make more sense for me to wait 
and buy just a frame. I think I need to go through my components bin and 
see what I saved; I know I sold most of them. 

Also, since Will said that there is already another Clem order in the 
works, I asked the only possible question: what colors will they be? I 
haven't heard, but if anyone else has... please share.

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Re: [RBW] Not Buying New Goat, WTB Clem

[Kiley Demond]

Patrick, here you go: Mathilda, so named as it seemed like a strong Dutch 
female name for my Work Cycles Ladies Secret Service. (Digression: I bought 
the bike direct from the Netherlands. The local dealers (I lived in the Bay 
Area at the time) all wanted more money, and worse, a long wait, because 
the largest women's size was a special order. I rode one size down at a 
nice little bicycle shop at the Town & Country mall in Palo Alto, across 
from Stanford. Workcycles had the matte black in stock, the exchange rate 
was decent, and most shockingly UPS Air shipping was really affordable 
(under $200), so I wired the money. 2013 seems like forever ago.) 

I liked the Mathilda verse you sent. I was the tomgirl who got in trouble, 
but never serious enough trouble; mostly class clown, 
rules-don't-apply-to-me trouble (all girl's school so it is all relative). 
I was blessed with an education that encouraged women to be independent in 
all ways, led by thinking, so I relate to the Mathildas of the world.

Now, where was I... What I found with this bike and all the women-specific 
bikes I rode, was that they were really twitchy. The exception was my Trek 
Pilot that was a beauty of a road bike. I think it is because the geometry 
doesn't pan out as the frame gets larger. It isn't a constant increase 
across all parts (add 10% to all measurements, or somesuch). The Terry 
frame looks downright squished; it had flat handlebars. The design was to 
accommodate longer legs coupled with shorter arms; aka women's geometry. 
And I think we all know how a short, tall bike would handle. My extra-long 
femurs exaggerated the issue to absurd levels, no matter how many 
adjustments were made to components; they could never compensate for the 
shortcomings inherent in the frame design, and frequently made things 
worse. The ONE thing no one could comprehend was how just putting high, 
swept-back handlebars would fix darn near everything by allowing for the 
proper geometry for a bike to handle well and be comfortable (well, except 
Grant, of course).

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On Saturday, May 16, 2020 at 12:22:16 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Kiley: I have no present interest in a Clem -- we'll see about the future 
> -- since I have 2 bike projects in the pipeline and #3 just might be a 
> mini-velo, but I have to say that I'd love to see your future Clem, hear 
> it's name, and decide if name and appearance match (photos required).
>
> Moreover, I must demand to see photos of your "massive Dutch 
> Workcycle's" Ladies bike and demand to know why you called it Mathilda, 
> which is a name hoary with reverence and not to be taken lightly. I hope 
> for your sake you did not take it lightly. Even Mat(h)ilda did not get off 
> lightly:
>
> http://holyjoe.org/poetry/belloc4.htm
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 10:13 AM Kiley Demond  > wrote:
>
>> Now that the frenetic energy behind the release of a new iPhone, er, I 
>> mean Riv, has died down a pinch, I have come to my senses and will do as I 
>> originally intended and buy a Clem L. I would be delighted to purchase a 
>> “pre-owned” one, especially if the proceeds from that sale go back to Riv 
>> to purchase a new bike. I am no longer particular about the color (although 
>> the Dutch in me that loves bikes also loves orange), but I haven’t gotten 
>> shorter (much), so I need a 59. I am also willing to purchase just the 
>> frame as my Cheviot experience got me over any fear of working on bikes 
>> despite my hemispheric reversal (think: outbound dyslexia); I just get to 
>> do most mechanical things twice! 
>>
>> And as far as a name for the Cheviot replacement, I agree with Joe that 
>> it is a silly game to play, with Leah that Platypus conveys nothing 
>> positive, and offer only the idea of playing with the goat theme (and a few 
>> options; afterall, I am a writer). In playing with my friend Google, I 
>> found this one: “Clay Henry” a famous beer-drinking goat from the Starlight 
>> Saloon. Since I love the name “Henry”, it seems perfect to me. There is 
>> also s

[RBW] Re: Fancy Cheviot!

[Kiley Demond]

Platypus! It is certainly a word I enjoyed saying as a child (I assume there 
was one at the Central Park Zoo). It was a quirky creature that stuck with me, 
much like the Albatross, although my brain conveniently renamed it the Dodo 
bird because.. well, that part is obvious... but, come to find out, Dutch 
sailors ate the Dodo bird to extinction because they couldn’t fly and they 
didn’t have a fear of humans (the bird, not the sailors) so the only one I ever 
actually saw a video of was the Albatross. 

I like the irony of Platypus being a sexy bike. 

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[RBW] Not Buying New Goat, WTB Clem

[Kiley Demond]

I really overstepped my financial bounds when I bought the Cheviot. Ironically, 
I test rode both at Riv before I decided. The Cheviot had a slightly nicer ride 
that I never would have noticed if it hadn’t been side testing, I loved looking 
at the fancy lug on the head tube, and I liked its orange better (such a girl). 
Every time my life had a crisis of sorts, I bought a new bike. Gave me 
something to focus on, tinkering is very soothing, and riding is freeing. This 
will be the first time in decades, I just buy a bike and it will be nice to 
demonstrate a learning curve;-). 

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[RBW] Not Buying New Goat, WTB Clem

[Kiley Demond]

Now that the frenetic energy behind the release of a new iPhone, er, I mean 
Riv, has died down a pinch, I have come to my senses and will do as I 
originally intended and buy a Clem L. I would be delighted to purchase a 
“pre-owned” one, especially if the proceeds from that sale go back to Riv to 
purchase a new bike. I am no longer particular about the color (although the 
Dutch in me that loves bikes also loves orange), but I haven’t gotten shorter 
(much), so I need a 59. I am also willing to purchase just the frame as my 
Cheviot experience got me over any fear of working on bikes despite my 
hemispheric reversal (think: outbound dyslexia); I just get to do most 
mechanical things twice! 

And as far as a name for the Cheviot replacement, I agree with Joe that it is a 
silly game to play, with Leah that Platypus conveys nothing positive, and offer 
only the idea of playing with the goat theme (and a few options; afterall, I am 
a writer). In playing with my friend Google, I found this one: “Clay Henry” a 
famous beer-drinking goat from the Starlight Saloon. Since I love the name 
“Henry”, it seems perfect to me. There is also some mention of “Chamois” when 
inquiring about Middle Earth goats (goats are not directly mentioned), and 
“Khardh” does shake out as a beast remotely related to the bison, that could 
“move through the forest with ease”.  

Ultimately, since I name my individual rides, the name isn’t as critical (the 
badge, however, is pure gold). My Cheviot was named “Heidi” (I mixed up goats 
and sheep), my massive Dutch Workcycle’s Ladies Secret Service was named 
“Mathilda”, my Terry Valkyrie was named “Angela” and so on. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fancy Cheviot!

[Kiley Demond]

Hi Ian: The breed of dog is Kerry Blue Terrier. Ah, I am not called the dog 
lady for nothing! -Kiley







> On May 15, 2020, at 6:37 PM, Ian A  wrote:
> 
> 
> I am not in the market, but I have to say I rather like the name Platypus. 
> It's an intriguing animal.
> 
> 
> If we're having ideas on names, there is a breed of terrier named Kelly Blue, 
> which might suit a good looking bicycle intended for all genders.
> 
> 
> IanA
> 
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[RBW] Re: Fancy Cheviot!

[Kiley Demond]

Good Memory! (How often do we get to hear that these days?) I intend to do a 
lot less lifting of this bike and just roll it out the door and off I go. I do 
intend to E it at some point and at the point the weight is off the chart of 
relevance. I had nice light parts on it — just a lot of them;-). I enjoyed 
pimping my ride but intend to take a more restrained attitude with this one. 
We’ll see how it goes. I do know one thing, like last time, it will not have 
anything ‘made in China’ on it! 

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[RBW] Re: Fancy Cheviot!

[Kiley Demond]

Well, I am still sizing to large. PBH is 91.5. I still need that bar as low 
as possible...

On Wednesday, May 6, 2020 at 8:08:20 AM UTC-7, Tom Wyland wrote:
>
> I think if they end up making the 55cm (aka medium frame) a little 
> "bigger" it will help give people a choice of choosing a frame with a lower 
> step-through. The recommended sizing for the current Cheviot really pushes 
> "medium" candidates to the large frame size.  The large size's step over is 
> pretty darn high as I recall.
>
> On Wednesday, May 6, 2020 at 10:55:40 AM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>>
>> One of the things I hoped is that the mixte tube is not, as Roberta calls 
>> it, a trip-through. As in, let’s get the tube as low as we can. Is it just 
>> me seeing what I want to see, or does the top tube appear nice and low? 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Fancy Cheviot!

[Kiley Demond]

Another vote for orange although I am over my color restrictions (almost); 
the only colors I will not buy are red and black. (Sorry, Leah.)

On Wednesday, May 6, 2020 at 7:28:01 AM UTC-7, Tom Wyland wrote:
>
> ORANGE! ORANGE! ORANGE!
>
> That orange one looks huge. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Fancy Cheviot!

[Kiley Demond]

Well, it is now clear to me that somehow I dropped off the Riv newsletter 
distribution. I was waiting to hear about the next shipment of Clem L and 
then this comes along... I am unable to find a link to the newsletter... 
just Blogs and Blugs. Please help.. I am finally looking at getting my 
forever bike (again). I can’t believe it has been 4 years since I bought my 
Cheviot, and almost 2 years since I sold it. 

On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 6:42:42 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> It lives, it's in the new newsletter and here's the pic. I have the 
> somewhat dubious distinction (I think) of being the first "outsider" to 
> know about this project when Grant and Will mentioned it to me at RBW last 
> year. So now I'll start the thread!
>
> It's fancy and swoopy and I dig it. I also dig the original name and 
> decals (and sheep) so I'm adding my non-requested vote for keeping them. 
> Check it out, it's pretty! 
>
> Joe Bernard
> Marin County CA.  
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 60cm Cheviot complete, Crust Towel Rack build

[Kiley Demond]

further clarification: at least that is the year I bought it from 
Rivendell. 

On Sunday, March 1, 2020 at 9:51:07 AM UTC-7, Kiley Demond wrote:
>
> Hey, to whoever bought this frame from you: assuming it was the one I 
> sold, it is a 2016. 
>
> On Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 12:01:58 PM UTC-7, Gabriel Bruguier 
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> The Cheviot frameset has been sold.  
>>
>> I'm going to hang on to the remaining parts for the time being.  
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 60cm Cheviot complete, Crust Towel Rack build

[Kiley Demond]

Hey, to whoever bought this frame from you: assuming it was the one I sold, 
it is a 2016. 

On Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 12:01:58 PM UTC-7, Gabriel Bruguier wrote:
>
>
> The Cheviot frameset has been sold.  
>
> I'm going to hang on to the remaining parts for the time being.  
>

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[RBW] Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[Kiley Demond]

Shoes? Did someone say shoes? I am a wee bit of an expert in beautiful 
not-made-in-China boots. In addition to Redwing, check out Wolverine. Also a 
Michigan company (duh) making beautiful boots in the USA. I have one pair of 
Redwing work boots purchased on eBay, and two pairs of Wolverine 1000 Mile 
boots from a Wolverine sale and Poshmark, so good deals on all. I added Vibram 
soles on one pair so I wouldn’t have a slip adventure. Both companies make 
every-person work shoes and ‘hipster’ boots. Rancourt has a breathtaking line 
of handmade shoes and boots with prices to match. Most of the made-in-USA shoes 
tend to run a little bit narrow, like those made in Europe. If you are looking 
for other possibilities and your foot runs narrow look at European brands like 
Solomon and Scarpa at REI. If you want your head to explode look at Nordstrom‘s 
website and filter through the many options of beautiful boots; go to 
Nordstrom’s Rack for a brick & mortar experience and lower prices. Catch a sale 
for a deal. Boots made in China, etc by American manufacturers (Rockport, 
Columbia, Dunham, Merrill) tend to run wider (if you want to know the whole 
sociological reasons for that, ping me offline :-)). 

BTW, be glad you are a man; women's shoes positively suck by comparison. 

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Re: [RBW] Raid Bill's Stable: Nine bikes available For Sale

[Kiley Demond]

One more for the Gran Premio. It was my first lightweight road bike 
(Raleigh and Motobecane were its predecessors); I rode my bike everywhere, 
even to work when the weather was good (and the Bay Area is the good 
weather capital of the world). My trusty steed in my one-and-only 
triathlon. I lived in Menlo Park right on *the* Sandhill Road bike loop and 
a housemate, a very serious cyclist, came home after bike shopping and told 
me Palo Alto Bicycles had a bike that might fit me (I was much taller than 
he) in the window. I think it was a 57cm or 23", or something like that. On 
sale. As a woman, that four-letter word was all I needed to hear. Something 
in the geometry made it fit me perfectly (I'm guessing it wasn't as 
stretched out as most men's road bikes). I rode it everywhere for years 
until something made me believe I needed a hybrid once I had kids. Thanks 
for the reminder!

On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 9:50:27 AM UTC-7, Mike Godwin wrote:
>
> I miss my Gran Premio, its a fine riding bicycle. Can't beat it for the 
> price Bill is asking.
>
> Mike SLO CA
>
> On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 8:31:42 AM UTC-8, Keith Weaver wrote:
>
>> I have to say, I love this bike. I had a Univega touring bike in the same 
>> color, circa 1982(?) It was my first brand new road bike. I remember poring 
>> over the Univega catalog and really wanting one of those top of the line 
>> racy road models. I keep an eye out for them on Craigslist, but don't know 
>> if I could justify more space taken up  in the garage by another bike. 
>> Luckily for me, 61 is about 8-10 cm too big for me, so I can let this one 
>> pass me by.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Keith
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 6:28 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>>> Jonathan requested photos of bike #8, my Eroica-ready Univega Gran 
>>> Premio.  This Suntour Cyclone Mark II stuff was really a benchmark in 
>>> performance per dollar.  I've always been a big fan of the self-trimming 
>>> front derailer, and the through the center cable routing on the rear der.  
>>> The brakes and crankset are timeless shapes, and the sealed bearing hubs 
>>> will outlive us all.  
>>>
>>> flickr album
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157713199195553
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 16, 2020 at 9:05:01 AM UTC-8, Jonathan D. wrote:

 There are several bikes I would love to buy but can’t justify right 
 now.  Do you have a pic of the Univega?  I have a frame I want to build up 
 and curious to see your build. 
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[RBW] Re: eClem again

[Kiley Demond]

Hey, Joe: This is so cool! It is still on my "to do" list and I will get it 
done in the next couple of years. Thank you for all the investigative work; 
I doubt I would attempt it without your pioneering. The Clem is still the 
best Riv bike to 'electrify', yes? -Kiley

P.S. I came back to the Bay Area (Peninsula) twice this past summer for 
work. It was so crowded I didn't venture out much, every place made me 
think about how fortunate I was to be there for 30 years (1984-2014), and 
not there now. I think I have completely adapted to the AZ high country! 
>
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[RBW] 64cm Clem L for sale ☹️

[Kiley Demond]

Geez. Check her shoe collection. 

I always joked that I was a “guy’s girlfriend” because I love anything on 
wheels, dislike cats, love dogs, have my own tools, don’t wear jewelry, and 
only about 10 pairs of shoes. And your Clem is a 64, so you’re tall. Sigh. 

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[RBW] Re: Chevoit or Clem jr L

[Kiley Demond]

Oh, oh! I rode both at Riv HQ and picked the Cheviot because I loved the 
lugs and the shade of orange (which is my favorite color) a pinch more. 
That choice cost me thousands of dollars over the next few years as I took 
to swapping out this and that. The Clem standard components would have fit 
me better initially and I ended up making my Chev more like Clem. The 
Cheviot's step-thru clearance isn't as significant as I would have liked. 
And I spent forever trying to get a front fender to work with 55 tires, 
it's a snap with a Clem. Ultimately, my answer would be that for all day 
riding and touring, the Cheviot is a better option. For most everything 
else, Clem is a better option, and you can buy your wife lots of other 
nifty things with the extra $$;-). (And years before this, I almost bought 
a Betty Foy. If I had bought that instead of a Dutch bike, I probably 
wouldn't be writing this at all.)

On Monday, April 29, 2019 at 10:10:07 AM UTC-7, Justin Schoop wrote:
>
> My wife has finally shown interest in a nice frame that's more comfortable 
> than her road bike and surly LHT. I recommended the Clem and Chevoit and 
> she really likes the idea of the step-thru frames. 
>
> Hoping to get more insight into the two and what the major difference 
> would be. Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: FS: CyclePro Skyline Vintage Mountain Bike

[Kiley Demond]

I should say that if the tape measure is held straight across (as I believe 
it is supposed to be), so it hits the middle the middle of the seat tube, 
the measurement is 22.5"

On Sunday, April 21, 2019 at 8:34:23 PM UTC-7, Drw wrote:
>
> Probably gonna be too small for my desires , but what is would the top 
> tube length be?

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[RBW] Re: FS: CyclePro Skyline Vintage Mountain Bike

[Kiley Demond]

EFT as measured from center to center is 21.5"

On Sunday, April 21, 2019 at 8:34:23 PM UTC-7, Drw wrote:
>
> Probably gonna be too small for my desires , but what is would the top 
> tube length be?

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bosco + Nitto Stem + Paul Brakes + Misha Grips

[Kiley Demond]

Ah, yes. They are CANTILEVER brake levers. For some reason, I don't 
remember them being called that. I had a really cool set of Paul bar end 
brake levers too. I tried those out, but my "theory" didn't pan out;-). 
Thank you for the correction!

On Sunday, April 21, 2019 at 3:01:35 PM UTC-7, Sean Steinle wrote:
>
> I would not call your price too high. I am wondering about your levers, 
> though. Paul Love Levers are for long pull brakes. Cantis, side, and center 
> pull brakes all use Paul's canti levers. Are you sure you have the loves? 
> That could be throwing people.
>

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[RBW] Re: Hand-Cranked Coffee Grinder Recommendation

[Kiley Demond]

Sean, PM'd you. Please check your spam folder if you don't see it. Thanks. 
-Kiley

On Sunday, April 21, 2019 at 8:05:47 AM UTC-7, SeanMac wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I will be living in a hotel for three weeks this summer.  As a coffee 
> geek, the thought of being forced to drink hotel coffee during this time is 
> a bit frightening.  Rather than hopping in a car and driving to a coffee 
> shop, my plan is to put together an on-the-go coffee kit that can be used 
> for this hotel stay -- as well as future hotel visits and on-the-bike / 
> coffee outside adventures.
>
> I've pretty much decided that the AeroPress coffee kit is going to be my 
> go-to coffee maker.  As I will be staying alone, I am after quality of 
> coffee rather than volume.  In addition, this seems to provide reasonable 
> easy hotel room clean-up, which also seems pretty important.
>
> I did some searching on the coffee outside threads on this group and found 
> several coffee grinders that are often spoke of.  One of them, the Porlex 
> Mini, is currently available for about $65. 
> Porlex Mini 
> 
>
> Some searching also led to some positive comments for a much less 
> expensive JavaPresse grinder ($26)  
> JavaPresse 
> 
>
> I'm not opposed to spending money to obtain a quality product.  I am just 
> trying to decide if the extra cost of the Porlex grinder is worth it in 
> this particular situation.
>
> Any thoughts / comments / recommendations would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Sean
> EA, NY
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bosco + Nitto Stem + Paul Brakes + Misha Grips

[Kiley Demond]

Okay, I'm going to assume my ask is too high and ask for (serious) 
offers What say you Riv'ers?

On Thursday, April 18, 2019 at 5:05:09 PM UTC-7, Kiley Demond wrote:
>
> This came off my Cheviot and I have been holding on to it for well, 
> probably for the memory of having built it. 
>
> Currently, it is all one piece; I will shred another set of grips (sigh) 
> and sell the parts individually if no one steps up for the full assembly. 
> See photos (links below, if I have done this right...) for details, PM me 
> for more info. Only the brake levers show wear (they were used on an 
> Albatross bar first) and there is a line on the stem.
>
> Bosco Bars Nitto Bosco Bar, Alu HT 58cm x 25.4 ($97)
> Nitto Talux Stem (see photos for detailed specs) ($76)
> Paul Love Brake Levers Polished Silver ($183)
> Meisha Cork grips ($28)
> Shellac (gratis)
> Labor (love)
>
> That totals $384 of delightful bicycle goodness! I am asking $250 and free 
> (sort of) shipping. I may ask for a small shipping supplement if you live 
> in the far corners of Maine or the tip of Florida, and definitely if you 
> are off the continent. 
>
> Boxed and ready to go (I was slow on shipping items that were very hard to 
> package, but Amazon brought me a perfect already).
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1S4QCFOIKfvpYHN2evYKdDFF2oDKdyRRp/view?usp=sharing
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mOD9xbUwCc4pa67VX2aUATxJcNvwDe73/view?usp=sharing
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kAT89SPz_TUvMAZKgH1ivKfHDZmf2hD8/view?usp=sharing
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kF8a6EQ7xjCMjlCGdiHuzObkzsmrSzSa/view?usp=sharing
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LpF3aAl8IKnjjln7wECLzzAjdzZttz3h/view?usp=sharing
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IJT7SImx7B8dhniqBhKkgbFWbvbBysro/view?usp=sharing
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JK5mmiQh76hjwLeznzH6kCys-I-wFFxh/view?usp=sharing
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MtzyL-P0VyBTSEDvK64yZOvnBKR7hMP6/view?usp=sharing
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ql6PGFTyeoy-0BAMgsK_vKlbU4fhB1vw/view?usp=sharing
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/18mDHj8kybuLGFOogC_jWA7ptAE2lihcW/view?usp=sharing
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Gus Boots Willsen Beorn New Bike Day!

[Kiley Demond]

Freakin' Awesome! On *oh so many* levels. What a sales brochure

On Wednesday, April 10, 2019 at 2:37:53 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> In which I ride freewheel for the first time in eighteen months, put in 
> forty miles in the first two days, watch in amazement as spring turns to 
> winter in a mountain glen with the sun shining and fat fluffy snow flakes 
> and early spring butterflies ride the same gusting winds, and I discover 
> that Rivendell’s Gus Boots Willsen, whom my daughters named Beorn of 
> Tolkien’s “The Hobbit,” loves all terrains climbing and descending with 
> elegance and grace, as only bears can do.
> https://deaconpatrick.org/new-bike-day
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
> www.CatholicHalos.org
> www.DeaconPatrick.org
>

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[RBW] Re: Big Bottle and Cage Recommendations

[Kiley Demond]

I have a VO Mojave for sale... Brand new. Also have the standard version 
for sale as well. PM me with your zipcode and I will give you (or anyone 
else for that matter) a price with shipping.

On Monday, April 15, 2019 at 6:54:24 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> For those of you with experience using them, recommendations on big bottle 
> and cage combinations? My current plan for the 3-hole downtube brazons at 
> the cranks on GBW is King Kage's Manythings Cage and Kleen Kanteen's 64oz. 
> widemouth. Anyone try this combo or a similar volume bottle on the 
> Manythings? How stable is it on the jouncy bits?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
> www.CatholicHalos.org
> www.DeaconPatrick.org
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell tinkering..

[Kiley Demond]

Oh my goodness! Yes, my Riv made me more of a tinkerer. In reading 
something-or-the-other Grant wrote, that is part of the intention; well, it 
is more of a by-product of the intention: Make things simple and fixable. 
By making them simple (relatively speaking), we have the opportunity to 
work on and learn from our bikes. Disc brakes were on my right-before-Riv 
bike and while they were great, but I would have had no clue how to work on 
them. We have the opportunity to understand what a subtle change in a 
component translates to in feeling and and performance, I changed handle 
bars and shifters and brakes levers several times. And, by making it 
fixable, we have the opportunity to stick with a bike even when something 
malfunctions because we can replace the component ourselves when it is all 
too tempting to start over because the cost of an LBS doing the work 
narrows the cost gap to new. Prior to my Riv, the most I had done was swap 
seat posts, saddles and handlebars. I stripped and rebuilt my Cheviot 
several times. "I" am a sixty year old woman with questionable mechanical 
skills to augment keen mechanical desires. And yet, I did it. Slowly and 
several times over, but I loved every minute of it. 

Evidently, I was bound for this fate anyway. I started tinkering with bikes 
at 18 months of age. Grant just reminded me;-).

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[RBW] Re: How to select a Brooks saddle

[Kiley Demond]

To answer a question not asked, I just want to give a shout out to Rivet. I 
tried and used several Brooks saddles over the years (never a Cambian) and 
discovered in getting my fit dialed in on my Cheviot, that the Rivet was a 
better option, in good measure because its rails allow for being placed 
further back (already using a Nitto set-back post). The particular Rivet 
saddle I have is the Loveland. The biggest difference visually is the 
shorter skirt and the silver-colored steel rails (which I vastly prefer). Rivet 
Cycle Works 


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[RBW] Re: Has anyone heard from Kiley Demond?

[Kiley Demond]

Well, my story is long and sucky with lots of loss and life lessons, but I 
don’t have any desire to retrace it. You are the only one waiting and that is 
simply because finding a suitable box has taken a ton of time and effort. 
Shipping rates have jumped so much, it is depressing. I ship eBay and Amazon 
regularly, but those are commercial rates and much lower. So, I made a box. And 
then it was evident that it wasn’t very crush proof. As someone who had a 
professionally-packed steel bike bent by Fed Ex, I can be overly cautious.

Oh, and I’m a she, not a he. Let me know if you want your $$ back.


On Dec 14, 2018, 12:57 PM -0700, Patrick Moore , wrote:
> Has anyone heard from Kiley Demond? I paid him for fenders on 11/15, and 
> after 3 followups on my part, I've not heard from him apart from 1 reply on 
> 12/1 saying that he was going to repack the fenders, I've not heard from him. 
> Has anyone ordered from him and received the merchandise?
>
> Kiley: are you out there? What's the story?
>
> Thanks, Patrick
>
> --
>
>
>
> 
> Still 'round the corner there may wait
> A new road or a secret gate,
> And though we pass them by today,
> Tomorrow we may come this way
> And take the hidden paths that run
> Towards the Moon or to the Sun.
>                                 --- J.R.R. Tolkien
> ---
> Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews
> By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching
> Other professional writing services
> Expensive! But good.
> http://www.resumespecialties.com/
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique
> 
> Auditis an me ludit amabilis insania?

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[RBW] Re: FS: Lots of stuff: wheels, components, accessories

[Kiley Demond]

see below for updates; wheels and flick stand sold.

On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 12:37:21 PM UTC-7, Kiley Demond wrote:
>
> Here is the list of what I have finally quantified for sale (and chances 
> are, I have missed something and will have to add it). Shipping is always a 
> pain and the cost usually varies by your location. For reference, I am in 
> zip code 86301. I will do my best finding the lowest cost (and managing 
> shipping and logistics is on my CV) so let me know what you want and your 
> zip code and I will let you know the shipping cost — and I am willing to 
> absorb some of the shipping cost at my discretion. Some items have free 
> shipping (FS), some ship free if included with other stuff. Buy more and my 
> interest in negotiating goes way up. The items that were off my Riv-built 
> Cheviot are italicized. Towards the end of the week, I will start listing 
> the unsold on eBay.
>
> Private message me for Q
>
> Cheers,
>
> Kiley 
>
> *SOLD* Velocity Atlas wheels 
> <https://www.rivbike.com/products/700c-velocity-built-riv-standard-wheel-kit>*
>  
> 700C with *Schwalbe Big Ben Performance Race Guard 
> <https://www.schwalbetires.com/bike_tires/road_tires/big_ben>* tires 
> 50-622 28 x 2 *with oodles of mile left (maybe 100 miles on them). 
> Willing to sell wheels and tires separately. $200 for the wheels, $40 for 
> the tires + shipping
>
>  
>
> Schwalbe Tires Big Ben Active Line Kevlar Guards 
> <https://www.schwalbetires.com/bike_tires/road_tires/big_ben> 50-622 / 28 
> x 2 *GREY* which is a discontinued color. Brand new with tags! $40 for 
> two + shipping
>
>  
>
> SKS Fenders Commuter II B65 
> <https://www.modernbike.com/product-2126229275?gclid=Cj0KCQiA8f_eBRDcARIsAEKwRGfbm7cdkrh8EDya4o-bOyYPkcUVRwfnmLMxsV16ECkMD0ptouPcLccaAg4XEALw_wcB>
>  
>  New, never installed. Comes with the long stays but they can be cut to any 
> size. $30 + shipping
>
>  
>
> SKS Fenders Commuter II B53 
> <https://www.modernbike.com/sks-b53-commuter-ii-fender-set-silver-700-x-38-47>
>  
> Inside lined with reflective tape (looks great!) “Will-workaround” to fit 
> 2” tires on a Cheviot (means that the front fender is in two pieces due to 
> lack of clearance under the R559 brakes. Fenders Only! $15 + shipping
>
>  
>
> Avid Speed Dial SL brake levers 
> <https://www.sram.com/avid/products/speed-dial-sl> $50 FS
>
>  
>
> Silver Shifters 
> <https://www.rivbike.com/products/silver-downtube-shifter-kits-17101> no 
> holders $40 FS
>
>  
>
> *Shimano Claris 2 x ? front derailleur FD-2400 
> <https://www.amazon.com/SHIMANO-FD-2400-2x8-Speed-Claris-Derailleur/dp/B00CABQRVS?th=1=1>
>  
> $10 *+ shipping
>
>  
>
> *Shimano Deore 9-speed rear derailleur RD M591 SGS 
> <https://www.rivbike.com/collections/derailers/products/shimano-deore-rear-derailer-17138>
>  
> $20 *+ shipping
>
>  
>
> Shimano Tiagra 9-speed triple front derailleur FD-R453 
> <https://www.amazon.com/Shimano-Tiagra-FD-R453-derailleur-9-speed/dp/B007R4HW9Y/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_pb_opt?ie=UTF8>
>  
> $20 + shipping
>
>  
>
> Shimano Sora 9-speed rear derailleur RD-3400 
> <https://www.xxcycle.com/rear-derailleur-shimano-sora-rd-3400-gs-silver-triple,,en.php>
>  
> $20 + shipping
>
>  
>
> Shimano 3 x 9-speed Rapidfire shifters SL-R440 
> <https://www.evanscycles.com/shimano-sl-r440-9-speed-rapidfire-pods-for-flat-handlebars-EV173771>
>  
> $25 = shipping
>
>  
>
> Busch and Mueller Cross Bracket 
> <https://www.harriscyclery.net/product/busch-mller-cross-bracket-3625.htm> 
> $5 FS
>
>  
>
> Nite Ize Handlebar Phone Holder 
> <https://www.amazon.com/Nite-Ize-HandleBand-Lightweight-Smartphones/dp/B00GOUO42A>
>  
> One in Black, one in White available $8 FS
>
>  
>
> Metal Pant Leg Clips 
> <https://www.amazon.com/Pant-Cuff-Clips-Bike-Bicycle/dp/B000MM5MSQ> $5 FS
>
>  
>
> Rainlegs 
> <https://www.amazon.com/RAINLEGS-CL1302-Leg-Protector-Large/dp/B001SEQRCM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1540923657=8-1=rainlegs>
>  
> “pants” XLong These are actually chaps and cover the tops of your legs for 
> riding in rain. The waist is fully adjustable, so the XL is great for those 
> with long femurs. $25 FS
>
>  
>
> Abus Amparo Frame Lock 
> <https://www.amazon.com/Abus-Amparo-4850-Frame-Lock/dp/B007TI2M8E> $25 + 
> shipping
>
>  
>
> Bike Cover aka pyjamas VK International 
> <https://hollandbikeshop.com/en-gb/bicycle-tools-maintenance/bike-cover/vk-bicycle-pyjamas-de-luxe-black/>
>  
> I bought this from Rolling Orange in Brooklyn before it gave up retail t

Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Lots of stuff: wheels, components, accessories

[Kiley Demond]

Cody- I don’t find a PM from you. Please send one again and include your zip 
code.
On Nov 6, 2018, 7:25 AM -0700, Cody Bartz , wrote:
> PM sent for
>
> bike cover
> soma stash
> king cage
>
> Cody
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[RBW] FS: Lots of stuff: wheels, components, accessories

[Kiley Demond]

Here is the list of what I have finally quantified for sale (and chances 
are, I have missed something and will have to add it). Shipping is always a 
pain and the cost usually varies by your location. For reference, I am in 
zip code 86301. I will do my best finding the lowest cost (and managing 
shipping and logistics is on my CV) so let me know what you want and your 
zip code and I will let you know the shipping cost — and I am willing to 
absorb some of the shipping cost at my discretion. Some items have free 
shipping (FS), some ship free if included with other stuff. Buy more and my 
interest in negotiating goes way up. The items that were off my Riv-built 
Cheviot are italicized. Towards the end of the week, I will start listing 
the unsold on eBay.

Private message me for Q

Cheers,

Kiley 

*Velocity Atlas wheels 
 
700C with Schwalbe Big Ben Performance Race Guard 
 tires 50-622 
28 x 2 *with oodles of mile left (maybe 100 miles on them). Willing to sell 
wheels and tires separately. $200 for the wheels, $40 for the tires + 
shipping

 

Schwalbe Tires Big Ben Active Line Kevlar Guards 
 50-622 / 28 x 
2 *GREY* which is a discontinued color. Brand new with tags! $40 for two + 
shipping

 

SKS Fenders Commuter II B65 

 
 New, never installed. Comes with the long stays but they can be cut to any 
size. $30 + shipping

 

SKS Fenders Commuter II B53 
 
Inside lined with reflective tape (looks great!) “Will-workaround” to fit 
2” tires on a Cheviot (means that the front fender is in two pieces due to 
lack of clearance under the R559 brakes. Fenders Only! $15 + shipping

 

Avid Speed Dial SL brake levers 
 $50 FS

 

Silver Shifters 
 no 
holders $40 FS

 

*Shimano Claris 2 x ? front derailleur FD-2400 

 
$10 *+ shipping

 

*Shimano Deore 9-speed rear derailleur RD M591 SGS 

 
$20 *+ shipping

 

Shimano Tiagra 9-speed triple front derailleur FD-R453 

 
$20 + shipping

 

Shimano Sora 9-speed rear derailleur RD-3400 

 
$20 + shipping

 

Shimano 3 x 9-speed Rapidfire shifters SL-R440 

 
$25 = shipping

 

Busch and Mueller Cross Bracket 
 
$5 FS

 

Nite Ize Handlebar Phone Holder 

 
One in Black, one in White available $8 FS

 

Metal Pant Leg Clips 
 $5 FS

 

Rainlegs 

 
“pants” XLong These are actually chaps and cover the tops of your legs for 
riding in rain. The waist is fully adjustable, so the XL is great for those 
with long femurs. $25 FS

 

Abus Amparo Frame Lock 
 $25 + 
shipping

 

Bike Cover aka pyjamas VK International 

 
I bought this from Rolling Orange in Brooklyn before it gave up retail to 
focus on bike tours of NYC for the Dutch (pretty brilliant idea to offer 
bike tours for the people who ride their bikes everywhere). It is in very 
good condition except the black is quite sun faded in some areas after a 
year of Cupertino, CA sun. $25 + shipping

 

Velo Orange Retro Cage, no tab 

 
(great for handlebars) cage $15 Add-on Item or ask about shipping

 

Velo Orange Mojave Cage  
(fits Nalgene bottles) $25 Add-on Item or ask about shipping

 

Velo Orange Handlebar Cage Mount 
 
$5 FS 

 

Soma Stash  bottle, tall 7.5” 
$4 Add-on Item or ask about shipping 

 

Cage Rocket 

[RBW] Re: Frankendini

[Kiley Demond]

This reply is not specific to the bike, and as long as it's orange, I'm in, 
but it prompted me to finally post a story I saw on CBS This Morning some 
months ago. The story of why we love tinkering with bikes (and whatever 
else). 

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/busy-hands-and-our-brains/

1:24 into the segment is Matthew Crawford, author of *Shop Class as 
Soulcraft: An Inquiry into the Value of Work, *who made me think of all us 
Riv tinkerers. (I think the tinkerability of Riv bikes is part of what 
attracts us to them.) The entire segment is only about 4½ minutes and IMHO 
well worth watching (yes, I love neuroscience).

Happy Sunday in the Church of Tinkering;-),

Kiley

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[RBW] Re: Frankendini

[Kiley Demond]

Okay, this has nothing to do specifically with the bike, and as long as its 
orange, I'm in, but the JOY we get from tinkering with bikes is what it is 
really all about. I have been meaning to post this story, and this is the 
perfect segue

The author of the book *Shop Class as Soulcraft: An Inquiry into the Value 
of Work* was on CBS This Morning back in August. This was probably the 
first time I watched the show in... forever, but I love neuroscience, so it 
was providential. 

The whole story is interesting to me; the book's author is 1:24 into the 
segment. 
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-connection-between-busy-hands-and-brain-chemistry/
  



On Thursday, October 11, 2018 at 2:30:27 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Here's an update/finished build on my Sparkly Orange Roadini, which 
> answers the question, "What if you intentionally oversized a dropbar bike 
> for flatbars?" I think Will @ Riv will like it, he's into putting the 
> "wrong" parts on a bike. 
>
> I had picked up an old Bianchi Project 5 with a Softride suspension stem, 
> but the bars were too low on that bike. Then it dawned me that the stem 
> would work just dandy on my Leo, so here ya go!
>
> Riser bar, XTR 9-speed shifter someone here sold me, Suntour dt for the 
> front, NOS Dia-Compe levers, Ergon grips, old Sakae cranks and BB from an 
> RB-T, NOS Shimano RX100 fd (from France!), NOS Deore LX rd (Japan!), 
> Mavic/105 wheels, 11-34 XT cassette, Jack Browns, MKS Touring pedals, 
> Woody's Chop Chort fenders with huge gaps that are different front and 
> back..Grant won't even be able to look at those fender lines!
>
> It's a fun bike with almost no standover, but here's an amusing thing I 
> discovered: When I first come to a stop and throw a leg over to hop off, 
> the suspension is slightly compressed..instant standover clearance! Check 
> it out. 
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/Bba3J2TpJE8sEaBh9
>
> Joe Bernard
> Novato CA. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem L 59 -- Considering a purchase

[Kiley Demond]

My thought is to go smaller if your upper body is proportional to your PBH. 
I have a PBH of 91, but I am only 5'10" (not proportional) and those are 
big steel bikes! In some ways, I lack the upper body strength (I am a 
woman) to really handle a bike of this weight. 'RDS' doesn't tell me your 
gender;-). The additional length of the larger frame is great for stability 
which at least for now isn't as important when on a paved roads. The fact 
that it is step-thru is what allows people to over-size on that frame, but 
it has to be for a good reason. As for color, it doesn't matter if orange 
isn't an option;-).

On Friday, October 5, 2018 at 11:49:36 AM UTC-7, RDS wrote:
>
> I am thinking of getting a Clem L frame or complete bike.  
>
> The latest catalog has a min PBH of 83 for the size 59.  I am 83+/-.  
> Anyone near PBH own one and have any comments?  I am overweight, so most 
> riding will be paved paths.
>
> Looks like Gray or Green for a color choice.  Your vote?
>

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[RBW] One Gus Question

[Kiley Demond]

At the risk of starting another mad thread of speculation, does anyone know if 
Gus’ length (chainstay and / or overall) is shorter than Clem’s? Or Cheviot’s 
(which is, much to my surprise, a pinch shorter than Clem’s)?

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[RBW] FS: 59 Clem L Grilver

[Kiley Demond]

I know know someone here wanted this... Chicago CraigsList
https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/bik/d/rivendell-clem-smith-jr/6706973783.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: Feel-good Vintage Bikes

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Ah, if you look at the Aspen bikes, you will see that the vintage steel frames 
are dressed in modern components, Sugino, Velo Orange, Nitto, etc. The frames 
have been QA’d by the shop prior to its rebirth.

For those that believe ‘Vintage’ must include same-era components, ‘NOS’ pops 
up regularly, and frequently at reasonable prices.

Restoration and tinkering feeds the soul which is why I believe a hands-on, 
build-a-bike program would be a hit, and places like the Armory are uber-cool
On Sep 19, 2018, 8:16 AM -0700, Lum Gim Fong , wrote:
> Vintage is fun but not good for me. Three reasons:
> 1. I always feel the need to replace parts which would turn into big bucks.
> 2. RBW says modern steel bikes are better than anything made in the vintage 
> past and even better than anything Eddie Merkxs ever rode back in the day, 
> iirc. This is a bold statement, and, if verifiably true, means one is better 
> off buying modern steel.
> 3. I don’t trust olde parts . Fear of failure.
>
> I would trust bikes made by really reputable makers and reputable owners I 
> knew personally. Like if my friend had a Ritchey or Herse or Singer.
>
> Of course I would definitely trust vintage Rivbikes.
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[RBW] Re: New Mtn Bike = Clem L for Me?

[Kiley Demond]

Kill the thread! Why? Because I love the new bike and want one. Sorry, 
Clem. We're done again. Always the bridesmaid, never the bride. How was I 
supposed to know Hill was going to be the perfect bike for Arizona? How was 
I supposed to know Grant was going to pen my exact thoughts about mountain 
biking becoming mountain racing? My "real" mountain biking experience 
consisted of going on a date with the author of local mountain biking 
trails guides for a ride on a trail that I would have hiked, somewhere 
above Woodside or Los Gatos. Thing is, the trail was about 18" wide and to 
the right, was a serious drop into brambles with undoubtedly a lot of 
poison oak. I was a good road rider, but this was nuts. I quit road riding 
"for sport" when I was clipped by a Winnebago going up Kings Mountain Road, 
and similarly, my mountain bike riding 'career' ended very quickly because 
the introduction seemed so rude: to hikers, to the scenery, to my common 
sense. That said, I enjoyed riding on paths, fire trails, raw land, on any 
bike, and there is such an abundance of that in AZ. 

Bring 'er on! (in a shade of deep orange or rust, please)

On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 10:38:22 AM UTC-7, Kiley Demond wrote:
>
> Wow, I was in California working for a couple of weeks (sixteen straight 
> days), and alas had no time to go to Riv just to see the haps (yes, I'm 
> that old), AND upon my return saw/read how the impending new bike lit up a 
> thread. (BTW, I would approach trying to figure out the name, not as an 
> anagram, but attempted logic: what is the name of the bike it is most like, 
> and does that name have offspring or other associations? That said, I have 
> no idea of the answers, so I am tapping out right away.)
>
> Anyhow, I know there are probably some Clem L owners that will buy the new 
> bike, therefore, I am putting my forth my 'WTB' for a 59 Orange Clem. I 
> might be able to see my way clear to another color, but not at the 
> moment;-).  Frame only is fine. 
>
> Thanks!
>
> Kiley
>

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[RBW] Re: Thanks for Gus Grant. What's Next?

[Kiley Demond]

Wow. You bring together two of my favorite things: words and random data of 
questionable value. Yup, a kindred spirit. I'd love the year of release 
next to each name 

On Tuesday, September 18, 2018 at 7:37:32 AM UTC-7, Marty Gierke, 
Stewartstown PA wrote:
>
> With Gus Boots-Willsen in the queue now, I'd like to reflect for a moment, 
> and project for another. Although I personally prefer a traditional lugged 
> diamond frame, I have never not wanted to see what Grant & Co come up with 
> next. In the years ever-since 1994, they have come-up-with-next 31 times by 
> my count. That's 1.3 new models per year - matching almost exactly Bob 
> Dylan's album production over the same number of years beginning 32 years 
> prior!  I may have even missed a model in there somewhere, and certainly 
> there have been variations within models, customs and collaborations that 
> take time and thought to develop and manufacture. (Or produce if you're 
> Dylan) Needless to say if a model doesn't hit your sweet spot this time, 
> the next one - or the one after that - will. And it won't be long. I 
> applaud every model, every detail, every curve, every triangle and every 
> headbadge that comes along. Each marking a unique place in Rivendell 
> history - and my own. 
>
> McCartney's new album is his first #1 in 36 years. I love some of his old 
> songs. I love some of his new songs. I'll probably love some of his next 
> songs too. Keep it up Paul! Keep it up Bob! Keep it up Grant! As soon as 
> the GBW badge is revealed, I'll update the head-badge poster, something I 
> look forward to doing many more times in the years ahead. And for the 
> Scrabble players and linguists among us, here's a fun fact: All together, 
> Rivendell model names have used every letter in the alphabet at least once. 
>
> 1.   Road
>
> 2.   All Rounder
>
> 3.   Long Low
>
> 4.   Mountain Expedition
>
> 5.   Heron
>
> 6.   Atlantis
>
> 7.   Rambouillet
>
> 8.   Romulus
>
> 9.   Redwood 
>
> 10.   Quickbeam
>
> 11.   Saluki
>
> 12.   Legolas
>
> 13.   Glorius
>
> 14.   Wilbury
>
> 15.   A Homer Hilsen
>
> 16.   Bombadil
>
> 17.   Samuel Hillborne
>
> 18.   Bleriot
>
> 19.   Betty Foy
>
> 20.   Yves Gomez
>
> 21.   Roadeo
>
> 22.   Hunqapillar
>
> 23.   Simpleone
>
> 24.   Cheviot
>
> 25.   Clem Smith (L and H) 
>
> 26.   Appaloosa
>
> 27.   Hubbuhubbuh
>
> 28.   L. Roadini
>
> 29.   Roscoe Bubbe
>
> 30.   Frank Jones Sr. 
>
> 31.   Gus Boots-Willsen
>
>  
>
> [image: Letters in Riv Names.JPG]
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[Kiley Demond]

Moi aussi. If there is one thing I have developed in the second half of my 
century (serendipitous pun), it is that I am not in a hurry. Oh, wait, no, 
it's that I no longer care that I'm not fast, and therefore not in 
hurry ;-). 

On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 7:09:02 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I guess the direction Riv has taken works for me because Grant and I both 
> seem to favor "go for a ride" rides as opposed to "I gotta hit 20/40/60 
> miles today" rides, and we live in the same hilly and mostly dry area. It's 
> certainly fine to not be into a particular style of bike - maybe the look 
> and colors don't work for you - I just think a current Riv rider would be 
> hard-pressed to dislike the ride if they actually rode one. 
>
> Tangent from the current Blahg: That ebike video was weird. "We don't read 
> books" ? 

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[RBW] Feel-good Vintage Bikes

[Kiley Demond]

 

When I stayed in Ann Arbor for a year, I followed the Michigan CraigsList 
scene (after living in the Bay Area for thirty years, CL seems positively 
dead everywhere else), and I was fascinated by the number of vintage bikes 
available. I never made the trip to Jackson to visit one place that had 
hundreds of bikes. I would have spent many hours there and purchased things 
I didn’t really need, so it was sort of a survival strategy not to go. The 
Michigan/Wisconsin/Illinois area has so many amazing vintage steel-frame 
bikes as many were fabricated there and the population was much higher than 
in the west during those years. There are “barn finds” happening 
everyday;-). 

 

https://annarbor.craigslist.org/bid/d/many-bikes-trek-huffy-schwinn/6693452600.html

 

https://jxn.craigslist.org/bik/d/bikes/6680421487.html

 

Which makes me think about places that restore vintage bikes and (re)awaken 
a love of “just riding”: one non-profit, Armory Bike Union 
, and one for profit, but just 
as easy to love, ReCycle Aspen Art . 

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[RBW] Re: New Mtn Bike = Clem L for Me?

[Kiley Demond]

I rode both when I went to Riv to pick a bike in 2015. I liked the Clem L, 
but I loved the Cheviot. I would have adored the Clem if I had never gotten 
on the Cheviot. The Cheviot handles a bit better and has lovely lugs to 
look at. Cheviot has the appearance of being longer, whether or not it is; 
they are both long bikes. What I didn’t realize was the Clem can take wider 
tires and has better fender clearance. I went through all kinds of 
gyrations to fit 52s on the Cheviot with fenders, I could have done 60s on 
a Clem easily. I also admit, being a visual person, I was swayed by the 
nicer shade of orange on the Cheviot than on the Clem, but once again, if 
Cheviot hadn’t been there I would have been happy with that orange, and 
richer, and maybe still had a bike;-). This is my do-over.

Cheviot would be better for longer rides, touring and a full day out and 
about. Clem is more of let’s go for a spin or an afternoon. As far as Mixte 
vs. ‘L’, Cheviot has a bit more ‘manliness’ than a Clem L. I preferred the 
straight angle of the Cheviot (if you look at the different sizes, the 
upper tube has different attachment points; the 60cm looks great because it 
is a continuous line) than the curve of the Clem. (I prefer that look in 
cars as well; boxier shapes over curves; I used to call some cars as 
looking like they came through a birth canal.) 

On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 1:53:20 PM UTC-7, Jamo. wrote:
>
> Can any riders speak to the main differences between the Cheviot and the 
> Clem L?  I am looking for a step through commuter.
>
> On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 3:01:57 PM UTC-4, Tom Wyland wrote:
>>
>> Funny I had the exact same thought about a looking out for a second-hand 
>> Clem when the new Mountain Bike starts shipping.  I'm looking for a 
>> complete 59 L or even 52 Clem H. I have a very sturdy and Dutch-heavy 
>> step-over now, a Torker Cargo T. The Clem would be a lighter and more 
>> sporty alternative overall, I think. 
>>
>> Maybe I'll be blow away by the mountain bike instead.  I guess we'll know 
>> soon enough.
>>
>>
>> [image: CargoT.JPG]
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Mtn Bike = Clem L for Me?

[Kiley Demond]

I rode both when I went to Riv to pick a bike in 2015. I liked the Clem L, but 
I loved the Cheviot. I would have adored the Clem if I had never gotten on the 
Cheviot. The Cheviot handles a bit better and has lovely lugs to look at. 
Cheviot has the appearance of being longer, whether or not it is. What I didn’t 
realize was the Clem can take wider tires and has better fender clearance. I 
went through all kinds of gyrations to fit 52s on the Cheviot with fenders, I 
could have done 60s on a Clem easily. I also admit, being a visual person, I 
was swayed by the nicer shade of orange on the Cheviot had than on the Clem, 
but once again, if Cheviot hadn’t been there I would have been happy with that 
orange, and richer, and maybe still had a bike;-). This is my do-over.

Cheviot would be better for longer rides, touring and a full day out and about. 
Clem is more of let’s go for a spin or an afternoon. As far as Mixte vs. ‘L’, 
Cheviot has a bit more ‘manliness’ than a Clem L. Can’t speak to the ‘H’ though.
On Sep 13, 2018, 1:53 PM -0700, Jamo. , wrote:
> Can any riders speak to the main differences between the Cheviot and the Clem 
> L?  I am looking for a step through commuter.
>
> On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 3:01:57 PM UTC-4, Tom Wyland wrote:
> > Funny I had the exact same thought about a looking out for a second-hand 
> > Clem when the new Mountain Bike starts shipping.  I'm looking for a 
> > complete 59 L or even 52 Clem H. I have a very sturdy and Dutch-heavy 
> > step-over now, a Torker Cargo T. The Clem would be a lighter and more 
> > sporty alternative overall, I think.
> >
> > Maybe I'll be blow away by the mountain bike instead.  I guess we'll know 
> > soon enough.
> >
> >
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Re: [RBW] New Mtn Bike = Clem L for Me?

[Kiley Demond]

Well, for me, it’s partly because I'm a “gurl” who never had a girl’s bike. As 
a young tomboy, I never wanted a girl’s bike and being tall, by the time I 
would consider one, no one made one large enough. However, men’s bikes geometry 
worked against me, as I am built the opposite of men: long in the leg, and 
shorter in arm and body, so I was always too spread out, needing the seat way 
back so my foot was in the correct spot in relation to the pedal (I forget the 
name for this), and the handlebars even further back so I could actually reach 
them without all but laying down on the top tube. It pushed bikes out of their 
designed range and made for awkward riding, especially as chain stays got 
shorter and shorter. Eventually, some manufacturers made large WSD road bikes, 
my Trek Pilot was the first bike I had that was truly a comfortable fit. But, I 
was tired of riding the roads in the Bay Area with the million and ten other 
riders, and wanted to just use my bike to avoid traffic. That launched the 
search for a do-it-all bicycle that fit.

The much shorter answer would have been to say, yes, the ease of stepping 
through is part of it. It keeps one from beheading a child or dog when mounting 
or dismounting.
On Sep 13, 2018, 10:46 AM -0700, Doug H. , wrote:
> I’ve been wondering what the appeal is of the L as opposed to the H Clem. Is 
> it just the ease of stepping through/onto and off of the bike?
> Doug
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[RBW] New Mtn Bike = Clem L for Me?

[Kiley Demond]

Wow, I was in California working for a couple of weeks (sixteen straight 
days), and alas had no time to go to Riv just to see the haps (yes, I'm 
that old), AND upon my return saw/read how the impending new bike lit up a 
thread. (BTW, I would approach trying to figure out the name, not as an 
anagram, but attempted logic: what is the name of the bike it is most like, 
and does that name have offspring or other associations? That said, I have 
no idea of the answers, so I am tapping out right away.)

Anyhow, I know there are probably some Clem L owners that will buy the new 
bike, therefore, I am putting my forth my 'WTB' for a 59 Orange Clem. I 
might be able to see my way clear to another color, but not at the 
moment;-).  Frame only is fine. 

Thanks!

Kiley

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 700c wheelset with 135mm rear spacing

[Kiley Demond]

Reed- I have set that might interest you. PM me. (I couldn't figure out how 
to PM you;-). I will be in the Bay Area this weekend and can bring them 
with me if you buy them. -Kiley

On Sunday, August 19, 2018 at 8:46:09 PM UTC-7, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>
> Thanks to another list member I have been fortunate enough to adopt an A. 
> Homer Hilsen. This one wants 700c wheels and the rear is spaced for a 135mm 
> mountain / touring rear hub. 
>
> Anyone have a spare wheelset they're interested in parting with? 
> Preference is for something at least vaguely on the lighter side and with 
> reasonably wide rims. Doesn't need a dynamo (though I'd be open to that). 
> Don't care if the rims are tubeless compatible or not. 
>
> Happy to pay $$. Could also trade a super nice Velocity Atlas / Phil Wood 
> touring wheelset if you're looking to do some offroad riding or loaded 
> touring.
>
>
> Reed Kennedy
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Re: [RBW] Reflections On My Riv and A Weight Loss Program

[Kiley Demond]

Thanks, Clayton. My Cheviot was “Heidi”. I know about Tigr locks (it will be 
hard for someone to tell me about a product I don’t already know about; just 
part of my crazy). My Dutch bike (Matilda) came with a frame lock and I loved 
its convenience, and the Tigr was so expensive — but, at that point I wasn’t 
weight conscious, very likely the Tigr will be the next lock. Thanks.

Yep, staying is shape is priority! I grew up in NYC and walked everywhere so 
even now driving as the main mode of transportation is strange to me. In 
college, rode my bike all over southern California because I didn’t have a car, 
but I was used to having everything at my fingertips. I would ride 10 or 15 
miles just to see what a store carried. A big adjustment was driving to go 
running. What? Driving to the Rosebowl to run around it?  Lifting weights is a 
good idea. I lifted weights since 1978 in So Cal and only stopped when my life 
went off the rails in 2014. I have always been crazy strong and I don’t want to 
lose it or mobility, so thank you for that reminder as well.

Yup, tried the Tubus and the aesthetics lost. I’ll have to think about a future 
rear rack. I will have racks because I like them much more than bags. That’s 
one of those tradeoffs.

Great bits of information; Riv 2.0 will be patience-driven black hole — in the 
future. The Cheviot was a pell-mell, silver-only, aesthetically-pleasing black 
hole.

-Kiley
On Aug 18, 2018, 9:19 AM -0700, 'Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch 
, wrote:
> Lose the double kickstand and the wheel lock and get a Titanium bow lock. 
> Replace the kickstand with a rear triangle mounted one like a Greenfield. 
> Like you, I originally didn’t worry too much about the weight of my Atlantis. 
> I ordered a double kickstand as that was what everyone said was the Bees 
> knees, but it was ridiculously heavy. My old Tubus rack was lighter than my 
> current Nitto if for additional weight savings too, but the esthetics are not 
> quite as nice on a Riv.
>
> Here is a link for the lock: 
> https://www.tigrlock.com/store/tigrmini/?utm_content=99
>
> Then there is a single chainring set up, with carbon cranks and a hollow 
> bottom bracket which is very expensive, but would dump a lot of weight. I 
> have them on my Atlantis.
>
> Last little bit of advice. lift weights. I am 62 and the muscles are 
> falling off my body, so I lift light weights to stay functional. I live on a 
> second floor walk up, and I live without a car, so my bike gets carried up my 
> stairs daily (my weight lift program). I get it.
>
> For technique, I reach down with my right hand and grab the seat tube (over 
> the top tube) down around the front derailleur area, and with my left I grab 
> the front rack to lift the front wheel above the stairs. A leather handle 
> just adds weight. Lightening a bike is about taking stuff off.
>
> And last, but not least, lightening a bike is a rabbit hole and can get 
> expensive. I love my Atlantis and have been slowly perfecting it and 
> lightening it over the past twenty years. Name you bike “Lola”, because she 
> always get what she wants, .
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> Clayton
> #DirtDanceDesigns
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Reflections On My Riv and A Weight Loss Program

[Kiley Demond]

Thanks, Phil. Tires and wheels will be the object of my next OCD research 
binge. I really didn't focus on weight at all during my Cheviot build; it 
only needed to be shiny, preferably steel, and not made in China.

On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 7:15:00 AM UTC-7, phil k wrote:
>
> IME changing tires has the best cost to benefit, in some cases it may not 
> even cost more. I switched from Schwable to Compass tires (Compass tires 
> were a bit cheaper actually), and lost almost 2 pounds.
>
> Your other biggest value is figuring out how much you actually NEED to 
> carry. I used to carry a few patches, a couple of tubes, large air pump, 
> and multiple tools. I now only carry a spurcycle multitool (super light and 
> very convenient!), a patch, and a spare tube if I'm going on longer rides. 
> Probably saved me another pound or so.
>
> My next biggest weight was bags and racks. A Marks front rack is about a 
> pound or so. Then a basket is another pound. Then another canvas bag can be 
> another pound or as well. I switched to rear bag that just straps onto my 
> saddle loops. XPAC also makes the bag weigh much less. I also run a 
> rackless front bag. This also saved me some weight as well.
>
> I think the thing to keep in mind is how useful and convenient you want 
> your bike to be. A basket with a front bag is super convenient. Running 
> triple crankset is super convenient. Sometimes convenience has a weight 
> penalty. I'm actually thinking of going back to the basket up front, just 
> because it was so convenient. 
>
> On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 2:56:35 PM UTC-4, Kiley Demond wrote:
>>
>> Now that my Riv is Gabriel's Riv, and seeing it stripped down to its 
>> original glory, I think about what wasn't perfect and what I would like to 
>> do for my next bike, a time-honored technique for dealing with loss; in 
>> this case, the loss of a bike. 
>>
>> I love steel frames. I can't imagine not having a steel bike, but since I 
>> am 5'10" (the 91 PBH is the real issue), the frame is large, and even 
>> though I am strong, I am still a 60-year old woman. My pimped Cheviot was* 
>> heavy.* Getting it up the three steps to my front porch wasn't easy. 
>> Given that, what could be done to make one of these bikes lighter? I took 
>> Grant's "let's not quibble about weight" philosophy to heart, so when I 
>> added some essential accessories, they were all shiny steel. Like stacking 
>> tolerances, it all added up. I didn't know much about components when I 
>> first got the bike, but I learned from understanding and replacing what I 
>> didn't like (and I did end up with the Bosco aluminum bars because they 
>> were the "right" size). I could *read* about it, but I really needed to 
>> *feel 
>> *about it. (Speaking of which, I always thought that a Build-a-Bike 
>> program would be a great idea. It is a cross between Build-a-Bear and Book 
>> Club; you buy the frame and then learn how to build up a bike, and you can 
>> swap out components until you find the ones that work for you. The first 
>> class is the theoretical parts discussion over a beer or coffee depending 
>> on the time of day, where you pick your frame, and subsequent meetings are 
>> building and testing riding.)
>>
>> *Anyhow*, thoughts on reducing weight on a bike? I figure this needs to 
>> be considered at the component level up (or is that down?), if the frame is 
>> a given. 
>>
>> (My next bike will be another mixte or step-thru, which unless something 
>> changes in the next two years, will be a Cheviot or L-Clem. I also want it 
>> to be e-Bike "compatible". I cannot buy an off-the-rack eBike because no 
>> one makes a mixte or step-thru large enough, and I still want the bike to 
>> be a pleasure to ride!)
>>
>> Kiley
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Reflections On My Riv and A Weight Loss Program

[Kiley Demond]

Thanks, Wally. The steps were really only an example; prior to my Chev 
going to Gabriel, I moved it to the shop so there were no steps involved. 
It's just the overall agility. I know it is all about tradeoffs and options 
to consider when deciding on those tradeoffs.

On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 3:58:37 AM UTC-7, Wally Estrella wrote:
>
> Kiley,
>
> For the steps I'd suggest installing a board to the outer edge of the 
> steps to roll up or down. Keep it wide enough for getting the bike on, but 
> narrow enough to not become a trip hazard.
>
> CHEERS!
> Wally
>
> On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 2:56:35 PM UTC-4, Kiley Demond wrote:
>>
>> Now that my Riv is Gabriel's Riv, and seeing it stripped down to its 
>> original glory, I think about what wasn't perfect and what I would like to 
>> do for my next bike, a time-honored technique for dealing with loss; in 
>> this case, the loss of a bike. 
>>
>> I love steel frames. I can't imagine not having a steel bike, but since I 
>> am 5'10" (the 91 PBH is the real issue), the frame is large, and even 
>> though I am strong, I am still a 60-year old woman. My pimped Cheviot was* 
>> heavy.* Getting it up the three steps to my front porch wasn't easy. 
>> Given that, what could be done to make one of these bikes lighter? I took 
>> Grant's "let's not quibble about weight" philosophy to heart, so when I 
>> added some essential accessories, they were all shiny steel. Like stacking 
>> tolerances, it all added up. I didn't know much about components when I 
>> first got the bike, but I learned from understanding and replacing what I 
>> didn't like (and I did end up with the Bosco aluminum bars because they 
>> were the "right" size). I could *read* about it, but I really needed to 
>> *feel 
>> *about it. (Speaking of which, I always thought that a Build-a-Bike 
>> program would be a great idea. It is a cross between Build-a-Bear and Book 
>> Club; you buy the frame and then learn how to build up a bike, and you can 
>> swap out components until you find the ones that work for you. The first 
>> class is the theoretical parts discussion over a beer or coffee depending 
>> on the time of day, where you pick your frame, and subsequent meetings are 
>> building and testing riding.)
>>
>> *Anyhow*, thoughts on reducing weight on a bike? I figure this needs to 
>> be considered at the component level up (or is that down?), if the frame is 
>> a given. 
>>
>> (My next bike will be another mixte or step-thru, which unless something 
>> changes in the next two years, will be a Cheviot or L-Clem. I also want it 
>> to be e-Bike "compatible". I cannot buy an off-the-rack eBike because no 
>> one makes a mixte or step-thru large enough, and I still want the bike to 
>> be a pleasure to ride!)
>>
>> Kiley
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Reflections On My Riv and A Weight Loss Program

[Kiley Demond]

Thank you for the great reply! I agree it is a balancing act.

On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 12:26:24 PM UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> My *speculative* thoughts on reducing weight on a bike but still keeping 
> good functionality:
>
> 1. Luggage - use luggage that requires no rack. Try light bags: Sackville 
> banana sax and sackville bartube, Brooks Milford, etc.
> 2. Lighter wheelsets.  Aerohead by Velocity I think is their lightest rim 
> that is Rivish ( and will fit wide tires). One of the Mavic Open Pro models 
> is like 405 g rim. Shimano 105 hubs may be lighter than typical Rivbuild 
> Deore? Guessing?
> 3. Remove fenders (they act as hood scoops and sails to catch air and slow 
> you down. I don't care what Bicycle Quarterly says.
> 4. Don't use a Rando box shaped front bag - flatness of the front of the 
> bag pushes air, slowing you down, I don't care what Bicycle Quarterly says. 
> Plus Berthoud bags are heavy, even empty, even without the stiffners. My 
> GB25 is a little over 600 grams empty/no stiffner. Sackville bartube is a 
> little over 100g. Of course, the GB25 is more functional than a bartube, 
> but with the also lightweight banana sax...or 400+g Milford you are still 
> at less weight than a GB25 bag.
> 5. Carbon *non-structural* stuff all over bike: bottle cages, derailers, 
> bike pump, etc.
> 6. Go to DT shifting to save weight on cables/housings and give bike 
> cleaner look.
> 7. Losing body fat - changing your power to weight ratio should help make 
> it easier pedalling on down the road.
> 8. Any component replaced has to be lighter than the previous one.
> 9. Use lightweight tires like Grand Bois tires.
> 10. Remove any bike computers and fittings and use a cycling phone app 
> instead if you carry a cell phone anyway when you ride.
>
> I think it is a balancing act. Keeping the bike light but with the 
> functionality you want.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Reflections On My Riv and A Weight Loss Program

[Kiley Demond]

Yup, I saw those. I didn’t like the aesthetic and it interfered with something 
more important already on the bike. I used to carry it into my bedroom to work 
on while staying at my sister’s. My Cheviot just had a big footprint: Bosco 
bars, high seat. Hard to explain, but the bike looked like the rider would be 
about six inches taller than I am. It was the price of comfort.
On Aug 16, 2018, 4:15 PM -0700, Edwin W , wrote:
> If you ever do want an ebike, my wife’s Faraday Cortland S in M (they don’t 
> make the step through model in L) feels very comfortable to me, at 6’ with 90 
> PBH. I’ve even ridden my business partner’s Small many miles comfortably.
>
> Disclaimer, I am a Faraday dealer!
>
> Edwin
> Morebikenashville.com
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Re: [RBW] Reflections On My Riv and A Weight Loss Program

[Kiley Demond]

Probably a Clem L in the future in any color as long as it’s orange. It was 
what I went to Riv to buy when the darn lugs and deeper orange on the Cheviot 
caused me to misplace my rational mind.

I am keeping the alum Bosco bars. And the BrickLane front rack and basket. And 
the cables. None of the other parts I’m parting with are right for the next 
bike. If I think they will go on the next bike, I’m keeping them. Even keeping 
the pedals which are crazy heavy, but they are the ones that were best for my 
riding by a lot, although I might entertain the form factor out of a lighter 
material.
On Aug 16, 2018, 3:09 PM -0700, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch 
, wrote:
> Sure you want to sell all those beautiful part and bits now? Grin. Right size 
> frame, those parts, and a handle, and you’re right as rain!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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[RBW] Re: Reflections On My Riv and A Weight Loss Program

[Kiley Demond]

A lifting handle would definitely be a benefit and I had wished for one. 
How the weight contributed to riding pleasure was when I had to dismount 
and lift it over a chain across the trail entrance (it holds a gate closed 
so larger vehicles can't gain access, or if I had to park it in a rack. So, 
yes, much of the impact was when I was off the bike, although 
mounting/dismounting is more unwieldy as well. I do miss my youthful days 
of just swinging the leg over the back tire while moving...! I am searching 
my neural database for actual issues when in motion and I think it has to 
do with not being or at least feeling, nimble. 

On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 2:04:52 PM UTC-7, LeRoy wrote:
>
> I may have missed something obvious, but it didn't seem that your issues 
> with the bike's weight involved dissatisfaction with the actual riding. The 
> issue seemed to rear it's head when it came to physically lifting the bike 
> up a set of porch steps. Forgive me if I've misunderstood the root of the 
> weight issue, but I wonder it the matter might be solved with something 
> like the "lift handle" built into one of the Rosco Bubbe models (called the 
> Bubbe Lifter Tube)?
>
> Lifting a bike can be unwieldy, all the more so when you have to grab it 
> up high on the frame (poor leverage position + poor front-to-rear load 
> balance), then lift and carry while trying to keep the fork and front wheel 
> pointed in the right direction. For most people, lifting with an 
> ergonomically positioned "handle" at a low, balanced point on the frame is 
> much easier: Stand on the left side, lift with the right hand, stabilize 
> the front wheel with the left hand on the bars. 
>
> Might there be some sort of add-on lifting handle or device that makes 
> this part of the job easier for you?
>
> LeRoy
>
>
> On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 2:56:35 PM UTC-4, Kiley Demond wrote:
>
>>
>> ... My pimped Cheviot was* heavy.* Getting it up the three steps to my 
>> front porch wasn't easy. 
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Reflections On My Riv and A Weight Loss Program

[Kiley Demond]

I knew it was time to learn about wheels... one area I have not spent much 
time because it was not something I intended to replace on my Cheviot. But 
now that I am starting from scratch 

On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 1:58:01 PM UTC-7, Reid Echols wrote:
>
> I'd second all this advice, and suggest that if you start anywhere, the 
> wheels will probably pay the largest dividends, not only when you carry the 
> bike, but when you ride as well. A good set of thoughtfully chosen and 
> handbuilt wheels set up with your main use case in mind, with some light 
> and supple tires, will feel like a whole new bike.
>
> Reid in Austin 
>
> On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 8:57:18 PM UTC+1, Ryan M. wrote:
>>
>> I got a Roadeo to 19 lbs by using Rolf Vigor wheels, Compass Stampede 
>> Pass tires, Ultegra 11 speed groupset, and a decently lightweight saddle 
>> setup. I still had a threaded fork and a Nitto lugged stem on that build. 
>> Never once had a problem with that bike. 
>>
>> You can lose weight on a bike by not going with a Brooks and instead go 
>> with a quality modern saddle using Ti rails. I have a Bontrager saddle that 
>> is just stupidly light, but still tough and comfy. 
>>
>> Ditch the fenders (just get wet if you happen to ride in the rain), racks 
>> (use rackless bags), dyno hub lighting systems (bontrager Ion lights are 
>> light weight and super bright and last), heavy canvas bags (look for modern 
>> bikepacking bags made of x-pac), get a cassette and crank that are unheavy. 
>> ;)  It all adds up. Just remember that modern groupsets from Shimano, 
>> especially in the Ultegra/Dura Ace range are really quite light and work 
>> very well. I got e-tap on my cross bike and the stuff is just amazing and 
>> not heavy at all. (yes, I would have no problem sticking electronic 
>> groupset on a Rivendell...it wouldn't be my first choice though. 
>>
>> My Appaloosa is not built like I just described (no fenders or dyno 
>> lighting setup, I'm using Cliffhanger rims and Deore hubs, and I have chaco 
>> moose bars even), but if I were really looking for weight savings you can 
>> find it in the drivetrain components, wheels, and saddle. 
>>
>> On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 1:56:35 PM UTC-5, Kiley Demond wrote:
>>
>>> Now that my Riv is Gabriel's Riv, and seeing it stripped down to its 
>>> original glory, I think about what wasn't perfect and what I would like to 
>>> do for my next bike, a time-honored technique for dealing with loss; in 
>>> this case, the loss of a bike. 
>>>
>>> I love steel frames. I can't imagine not having a steel bike, but since 
>>> I am 5'10" (the 91 PBH is the real issue), the frame is large, and even 
>>> though I am strong, I am still a 60-year old woman. My pimped Cheviot was* 
>>> heavy.* Getting it up the three steps to my front porch wasn't easy. 
>>> Given that, what could be done to make one of these bikes lighter? I took 
>>> Grant's "let's not quibble about weight" philosophy to heart, so when I 
>>> added some essential accessories, they were all shiny steel. Like stacking 
>>> tolerances, it all added up. I didn't know much about components when I 
>>> first got the bike, but I learned from understanding and replacing what I 
>>> didn't like (and I did end up with the Bosco aluminum bars because they 
>>> were the "right" size). I could *read* about it, but I really needed to 
>>> *feel 
>>> *about it. (Speaking of which, I always thought that a Build-a-Bike 
>>> program would be a great idea. It is a cross between Build-a-Bear and Book 
>>> Club; you buy the frame and then learn how to build up a bike, and you can 
>>> swap out components until you find the ones that work for you. The first 
>>> class is the theoretical parts discussion over a beer or coffee depending 
>>> on the time of day, where you pick your frame, and subsequent meetings are 
>>> building and testing riding.)
>>>
>>> *Anyhow*, thoughts on reducing weight on a bike? I figure this needs to 
>>> be considered at the component level up (or is that down?), if the frame is 
>>> a given. 
>>>
>>> (My next bike will be another mixte or step-thru, which unless something 
>>> changes in the next two years, will be a Cheviot or L-Clem. I also want it 
>>> to be e-Bike "compatible". I cannot buy an off-the-rack eBike because no 
>>> one makes a mixte or step-thru large enough, and I still want the bike to 
>>> be a pleasure to ride!)
>>>
>>> Kiley
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Reflections On My Riv and A Weight Loss Program

[Kiley Demond]

Thank you, your post has a lot of good information. 

On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 12:57:18 PM UTC-7, Ryan M. wrote:
>
> I got a Roadeo to 19 lbs by using Rolf Vigor wheels, Compass Stampede Pass 
> tires, Ultegra 11 speed groupset, and a decently lightweight saddle setup. 
> I still had a threaded fork and a Nitto lugged stem on that build. Never 
> once had a problem with that bike. 
>
> You can lose weight on a bike by not going with a Brooks and instead go 
> with a quality modern saddle using Ti rails. I have a Bontrager saddle that 
> is just stupidly light, but still tough and comfy. 
>
> Ditch the fenders (just get wet if you happen to ride in the rain), racks 
> (use rackless bags), dyno hub lighting systems (bontrager Ion lights are 
> light weight and super bright and last), heavy canvas bags (look for modern 
> bikepacking bags made of x-pac), get a cassette and crank that are unheavy. 
> ;)  It all adds up. Just remember that modern groupsets from Shimano, 
> especially in the Ultegra/Dura Ace range are really quite light and work 
> very well. I got e-tap on my cross bike and the stuff is just amazing and 
> not heavy at all. (yes, I would have no problem sticking electronic 
> groupset on a Rivendell...it wouldn't be my first choice though. 
>
> My Appaloosa is not built like I just described (no fenders or dyno 
> lighting setup, I'm using Cliffhanger rims and Deore hubs, and I have chaco 
> moose bars even), but if I were really looking for weight savings you can 
> find it in the drivetrain components, wheels, and saddle. 
>
> On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 1:56:35 PM UTC-5, Kiley Demond wrote:
>
>> Now that my Riv is Gabriel's Riv, and seeing it stripped down to its 
>> original glory, I think about what wasn't perfect and what I would like to 
>> do for my next bike, a time-honored technique for dealing with loss; in 
>> this case, the loss of a bike. 
>>
>> I love steel frames. I can't imagine not having a steel bike, but since I 
>> am 5'10" (the 91 PBH is the real issue), the frame is large, and even 
>> though I am strong, I am still a 60-year old woman. My pimped Cheviot was* 
>> heavy.* Getting it up the three steps to my front porch wasn't easy. 
>> Given that, what could be done to make one of these bikes lighter? I took 
>> Grant's "let's not quibble about weight" philosophy to heart, so when I 
>> added some essential accessories, they were all shiny steel. Like stacking 
>> tolerances, it all added up. I didn't know much about components when I 
>> first got the bike, but I learned from understanding and replacing what I 
>> didn't like (and I did end up with the Bosco aluminum bars because they 
>> were the "right" size). I could *read* about it, but I really needed to 
>> *feel 
>> *about it. (Speaking of which, I always thought that a Build-a-Bike 
>> program would be a great idea. It is a cross between Build-a-Bear and Book 
>> Club; you buy the frame and then learn how to build up a bike, and you can 
>> swap out components until you find the ones that work for you. The first 
>> class is the theoretical parts discussion over a beer or coffee depending 
>> on the time of day, where you pick your frame, and subsequent meetings are 
>> building and testing riding.)
>>
>> *Anyhow*, thoughts on reducing weight on a bike? I figure this needs to 
>> be considered at the component level up (or is that down?), if the frame is 
>> a given. 
>>
>> (My next bike will be another mixte or step-thru, which unless something 
>> changes in the next two years, will be a Cheviot or L-Clem. I also want it 
>> to be e-Bike "compatible". I cannot buy an off-the-rack eBike because no 
>> one makes a mixte or step-thru large enough, and I still want the bike to 
>> be a pleasure to ride!)
>>
>> Kiley
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Reflections On My Riv and A Weight Loss Program

[Kiley Demond]

Aw, geez. You must be one of those linear thinking sorts. I’m not. I have 
flashes of organizational brilliance, love databases like life itself, but I 
lack spatial cognition. The spatial cognition department is responsible for any 
sort of measurement: weight, distance, length. I shall spare you some hilarious 
stories about the consequences of errors I have made in those areas. Do I have 
a weight objective? No. Just better than before. Everything has a trade off, 
weight vs. cost vs. aesthetics vs. ???.

Here’s how I would describe different approaches: my boyfriend (who I have 
probably mentioned passed away of pancreatic cancer in March at 61), was an 
excellent foil for me. In 1974, he became the youngest certified auto mechanic 
in Arizona history, and went on to be an airplane mechanic, professional pilot, 
and entrepreneur. He was very rational. I will refrain from describing myself 
beyond saying I am creative and resourceful, capable of generating a lot of 
possibility. When we talked about buying cars, he would always say, how much do 
you want to spend? I said, I figure out the kind of car I want (I am rational 
in this area), and then utilize every means possible to locate it at the best 
cost possible. He said, he figures out how much he wants to spend and then 
looks for the most car he can get for the money.

RE: Stacking tolerances. I worked for a computer manufacturer back in the '80s 
and '90s. We built computers in Fremont, CA. Sometimes, the computers didn’t go 
together. The engineers were puzzled. I was a materials manager and all the 
parts were built to spec, the suppliers were not at fault. Well, it turned out 
that if enough parts were at the outer limit of their tolerance, it added up to 
enough that it didn’t all fit. So, while I can say weight doesn’t matter for 
this part or that part, if there are enough of them, not mattering can add up 
to a lot. Or as my son would say, it’s not spending on the big things that 
makes you broke, it’s all the little things.

I will bring it in the best way possible.
On Aug 16, 2018, 12:33 PM -0700, Bill Lindsay , wrote:
> The novelist E.L Doctorow gave a lecture that I attended 25 years ago.  His 
> novel "Billy Bathgate" had just been made into a movie.  He was amused by the 
> movie making term about budget "bringing it in".  The movie was "brought in" 
> at $65million, or something like that.  He said he was able to "bring in" the 
> novel at around $27.75.  I've used that term ever since for builds with a 
> objective weight target, or a qualitative weight objective.  I recently 
> brought in a Legolas build at 19 pounds, a Leo at 22 pounds.  I imagine 
> somebody could bring in a Cheviot at 24 pounds or so.  I estimate that would 
> be about a $5000 Cheviot and would not have fenders, racks, bags, or a 
> kickstand.
>
> The fact is: the weight of your bike matters only as much as you say it 
> matters.  If you say it doesn't matter, then it doesn't.  If you say it does 
> matter, then it does.  Do you have an objective target?
>
> Teh straightforward approach is to make a comprehensive build list and weigh 
> everything.  Your bike will weigh the sum of all its parts.  Weigh them all 
> and add it up.  If it's not the total you want, take things away and replace 
> parts with lighter ones on your list until you get to where you need to be.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 11:56:35 AM UTC-7, Kiley Demond wrote:
> > Now that my Riv is Gabriel's Riv, and seeing it stripped down to its 
> > original glory, I think about what wasn't perfect and what I would like to 
> > do for my next bike, a time-honored technique for dealing with loss; in 
> > this case, the loss of a bike.
> >
> > I love steel frames. I can't imagine not having a steel bike, but since I 
> > am 5'10" (the 91 PBH is the real issue), the frame is large, and even 
> > though I am strong, I am still a 60-year old woman. My pimped Cheviot was 
> > heavy. Getting it up the three steps to my front porch wasn't easy. Given 
> > that, what could be done to make one of these bikes lighter? I took Grant's 
> > "let's not quibble about weight" philosophy to heart, so when I added some 
> > essential accessories, they were all shiny steel. Like stacking tolerances, 
> > it all added up. I didn't know much about components when I first got the 
> > bike, but I learned from understanding and replacing what I didn't like 
> > (and I did end up with the Bosco aluminum bars because they were the 
> > "right" size). I could read about it, but I really needed to feel about it. 
> > (Speaking of which, I always thought that a Build-a-Bike program would be a 
> > great idea. It is a cross between Build-a-Bear 

[RBW] Re: Reflections On My Riv and A Weight Loss Program

[Kiley Demond]

Oh, I would lift and push/drag. I could lift it, but not a pleasant 
experience. Mind you, I had come from a 50lb Dutch bike so initially, the 
Chev felt spritely. I always wished it had one of those crossbar "handles" 
like some bikes have. One of the few cons of mixte frames is carrying it. 
Slinging a standard frame bike over the shoulder is so easy by comparison.

I wish I knew what it weighed. It wasn't overdressed; it was tastefully 
pimped, and I want to explore options. See the photo I added to the main 
post.


On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 12:28:37 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Hey Kiley! Sounds like you’re asking excellent questions. Not knowing you 
> or the layout of your steps, my comments may be off, so let me know where 
> I’ve buggered it! Grin. 
>
> First, how did you get the bike up the three steps? Lift and carry? Or 
> roll up, pushing on the handlebars/frame/saddle while standing beside it? 
> Bikepacking with an 85 pound rig (bike et al), I don’t lift it over much of 
> anything, but I roll it up a lot. With some practice, this may make any 
> bike easier. 
>
> Second, do you know what your last bike weighed built up? That gives you a 
> target weight that you need to get x pounds under, once you have an idea of 
> what you can get (lift or roll) up the steps. Were you happy with the bike 
> otherwise? 
>
> Third, the simplest way would be to get the bike (frame and components) 
> you like, but not add on extras except a (x)small saddle bag to carry bits 
> and bobs, and water bottle cage(s). Get used to how that works, then add a 
> rack etc and desired, one thing at a time and see what works for you. 
>
> Your build a bike idea is great! It’s kind of what we do here, via the 
> buy/sell posts. Except beer and whisky don’t travel well through the 
> compter. Grin. Whatever you decide, enjoy the journey — it’s a blast 
> learning! 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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[RBW] Reflections On My Riv and A Weight Loss Program

[Kiley Demond]

Now that my Riv is Gabriel's Riv, and seeing it stripped down to its 
original glory, I think about what wasn't perfect and what I would like to 
do for my next bike, a time-honored technique for dealing with loss; in 
this case, the loss of a bike. 

I love steel frames. I can't imagine not having a steel bike, but since I 
am 5'10" (the 91 PBH is the real issue), the frame is large, and even 
though I am strong, I am still a 60-year old woman. My pimped Cheviot was* 
heavy.* Getting it up the three steps to my front porch wasn't easy. Given 
that, what could be done to make one of these bikes lighter? I took Grant's 
"let's not quibble about weight" philosophy to heart, so when I added some 
essential accessories, they were all shiny steel. Like stacking tolerances, 
it all added up. I didn't know much about components when I first got the 
bike, but I learned from understanding and replacing what I didn't like 
(and I did end up with the Bosco aluminum bars because they were the 
"right" size). I could *read* about it, but I really needed to *feel *about 
it. (Speaking of which, I always thought that a Build-a-Bike program would 
be a great idea. It is a cross between Build-a-Bear and Book Club; you buy 
the frame and then learn how to build up a bike, and you can swap out 
components until you find the ones that work for you. The first class is 
the theoretical parts discussion over a beer or coffee depending on the 
time of day, where you pick your frame, and subsequent meetings are 
building and testing riding.)

*Anyhow*, thoughts on reducing weight on a bike? I figure this needs to be 
considered at the component level up (or is that down?), if the frame is a 
given. 

(My next bike will be another mixte or step-thru, which unless something 
changes in the next two years, will be a Cheviot or L-Clem. I also want it 
to be e-Bike "compatible". I cannot buy an off-the-rack eBike because no 
one makes a mixte or step-thru large enough, and I still want the bike to 
be a pleasure to ride!)

Kiley


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[RBW] Re: Stuff FS: Paul levers, Water Bottle Cages, and lots more

[Kiley Demond]

Some Clarifications are in order. See below; updates are *italicized.*

On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 10:16:54 PM UTC-7, Kiley Demond wrote:
>
> Spirit of the Sale: Nothing I am selling is in anything less than 
> excellent condition unless noted. Shipping will be between reasonable and 
> free, if you buy enough stuff. There are photos of most of the items in 
> this album: https://photos.app.goo.gl/c8RNijtz6RDEDNo46 (embedded link 
> tool not working). I have more items to add and will update this post, 
> but I gotta get this going Please PM me with questions. I parlez 
> Paypal. -Kiley


All items came off a 60cm Cheviot or a 23" Terry Valkyrie, or were 
procured with those bikes in mind. A few items were picked up in Michigan 
when I was there, as the midwest is the land of vintage bikes and equipment.

>
> *Parts*
>
> Tektro R559, bolt on $50
>
> *Paul Love Levers, short pull, polished silver, some minor discoloration 
> on right brake of unknown cause, $100*
>
> Rear derailleur, Shimano Deore M591, $28
>
> Rear derailleur, Shimano Sora $18
>
> Front derailleur, Shimano Claris, FD 2400 $10
>
> Front derailleur, Shimano Tiagra FD R453, 9-speed triple, $25 
>
>  
>
> *Accessories*
>
> Soma Emergency Stash Bottle, large $5
>
> Cage Rocket stash box, $5
>
> Velo Orange Retro Cage, no tab $12
>
> Velo Orange Mojave Water Cage $24
>
> Velo Orange Handlebar mount for cage $3
>
> King Cage Stainless $14
>
> Elite black steel cage, mild wear, $5
>
> Planet black matte black aluminum cage, $2
>
> Lixada blue aluminum handlebar cage mount adapter (for 31.6mm bars or 
> similar seatposts), $8
>
> Nitto Large rear rack 33R $150
>
> Bosch tail light adapter $5
>
> *SKS Fenders B65, fenders only, never installed; these were not in the 
> pictures. Photos added. $20*
>
*SKS Fenders B55, fenders and struts. These were pictured, but not 
listed. The front fender has been cut to fit a Cheviot 60cm bike *
*with 622 Schwalbe tires and the Tektro brake. The short piece was 
attached to the bottom side of the front basket. These are not sold by Riv, 
they sell the  P55 which has the extra long black tail on the back 
fender. These are identical to the B65 they do sell, but for narrower 
tires. The fenders have also been  *
*modified by the addition of silver reflective tape running up the 
clear stripes on the underside of both front and back fender. $25. *
>
> Rixen & Kaul Klickfix Adapter $10
>
> Baskets, *all are new* $5 ea (Detours uses the adapter), Avenir (own 
> adapter included), and two vintage Eastpak (hangers included)
>
> German rear view mirror $15
>
> Nite Ize black rubber handlebar phone holder $5
>
> Greenfield Kickstand, black, large $5
>
> Abus frame lock $25
>
> Axa frame lock, $25
>
> Cordo dog basket, $25
>

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[RBW] Stuff FS: Paul levers, Water Bottle Cages, and lots more

[Kiley Demond]

 Spirit of the Sale: Nothing I am selling is in anything less than 
excellent condition unless noted. Shipping will be between reasonable and 
free, if you buy enough stuff. There are photos of most of the items in 
this album: https://photos.app.goo.gl/c8RNijtz6RDEDNo46 (embedded link tool 
not working). I have more items to add and will update this post, but I 
gotta get this going Please PM me with questions. I parlez Paypal. 
-Kiley

*Parts*

Tektro R559, side pull bolt on $50

Paul Love Levers, short pull, polished some discoloration on right brake, 
$100

Rear derailleur, Shimano Deore M591, $28

Rear derailleur, Shimano Sora $18

Front derailleur, Shimano Claris, FD 2400 $10

Front derailleur, Shimano Tiagra FD R453, 9-speed triple, $25 

 

*Accessories*

Soma Emergency Stash Bottle, large $5

Cage Rocket stash box, $5

Velo Orange Retro Cage, no tab $12

Velo Orange Mojave Water Cage $24

Velo Orange Handlebar mount for cage $3

King Cage Stainless $14

Elite black steel cage, mild wear, $5

Planet black matte black aluminum cage, $2

Lixada blue aluminum handlebar cage mount adapter (for 31.6mm bars or 
similar seatposts), $8

Nitto Large rear rack 33R $150

Bosch tail light adapter $5

SKS Fenders B65, fenders only, never installed $20

Rixen & Kaul Klickfix Adapter $10

Baskets, $5 ea (Detours uses the adapter), Avenir (own adapter included), 
and two vintage Eastpak (hangers included)

German rear view mirror $15

NiteIze black rubber handlebar phone holder $5

Kickstand, $5

Abus frame lock $25

Axa frame lock, $25

Cordo dog basket, $25

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[RBW] 60cm Cheviot first impressions & pics

[Kiley Demond]

Enjoy.

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[RBW] Re: 60cm Cheviot first impressions & pics

[Kiley Demond]

I had the exact same reaction! I thought, how can that have been my bike? I had 
so much stuff on it...

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[RBW] Re: Huge Rosco Mixte

[Kiley Demond]

Wow, now that I am Cheviot-less, this bike takes on new attractiveness. Add 
to that, my 6'7" son just might get back on a bike that was this cool 
ah, woulda, coulda, shoulda.. 

On Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 9:22:37 AM UTC-7, MartyG wrote:
>
>
> Ordered the Pletscher rack from RBW, and hoped it would play nice on this 
>> big steed. Turns out it's a perfect companion. I love the utilitarian look. 
>> Sits at just the right height - room for fenders if and when. Solid as a 
>> rock. Had to use shorty struts up front - the bent ones that come with the 
>> rack are a no-go on this bike. 
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Things Off The Cheviot: rack, brakes,

[Kiley Demond]

PM me for fastest response.

On Friday, August 3, 2018 at 3:51:29 PM UTC-7, Kiley Demond wrote:
>
> All Items are in excellent condition. Free shipping in the continental 
> U.S. on everything except the rack which will have a surcharge for this 
> living in the far flungstates of the likes of Maine and Florida (maybe 
> think of it as states past the 2/3rds point moving west to east). 
>
> Nitto Rear Rack Large 33R $160 Complete with instructions and all the 
> connectors it came with
> Shifters IRD SOS Power Ratchet Shifters $75 (black rubber tips removed)
> Brakes Tektro R559 Allen $50
> Derailleur, front Shimano CX70 $35
> Derailleur, rear Shimano M951 Deore $40
>

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[RBW] FS: Things Off The Cheviot: rack, brakes,

[Kiley Demond]

All Items are in excellent condition. Free shipping in the continental U.S. 
on everything except the rack which will have a surcharge for this living 
in the far flungstates of the likes of Maine and Florida (maybe think of it 
as states past the 2/3rds point moving west to east). 

Nitto Rear Rack Large 33R $160 Complete with instructions and all the 
connectors it came with
Shifters IRD SOS Power Ratchet Shifters $75 (black rubber tips removed)
Brakes Tektro R559 Allen $50
Derailleur, front Shimano CX70 $35
Derailleur, rear Shimano M951 Deore $40

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[RBW] Re: Outside article on CF

[Kiley Demond]

It seems to me that after the heyday of lightweight aluminum bikes with 
their large diameter tubing, people (bike people anyway) went one direction 
or another: "forward" to CF or "backward" to steel. Around that time, I 
heard (well, actually read), someone — perhaps Georgiana Terry — say "steel 
is real" and I read about its "forgiving nature", and I was sold on steel 
bikes. I just wish they weren't so heavy;-). 

On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 12:24:48 PM UTC-7, Leslie wrote:
>
> Given our perspectives on steel, carbon fiber, and bicycles, I thought 
> this was a relevant article to share here:
>
> https://www.outsideonline.com/2311816/carbon-fiber-bike-accidents-lawsuits
>
>
>
>
> -L
>
>
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Riv Orange Cheviot 60cm Frame New Pics

[Kiley Demond]

SOLD! 

On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 9:18:14 AM UTC-7, Kiley Demond wrote:
>
> Hi- This is the same bike that I posted previously. Kind members informed 
> me that the pictures were too small to provide much information, so I add 
> the pictures as 'Mediums', which evidently are also too small. This post 
> has 'Large' sized photos. Other wise members suggested it might sell faster 
> to the masses if it were complete. Therefore, if it doesn't sell promptly, 
> I will build it up this weekend with a friend of mine who has many builds 
> behind him, as supposed to just pokey me doing the work.
>
> Frame is in very good condition. Only blemish is a chip from a car bike 
> rack. Frame sale includes fork and bottom bracket. Frame buyer will have 
> the right to buy any of the components on the list at crazy good prices. If 
> the frame doesn't sell, it will be built up and offered for sale complete.
>
> $850 frame only. Shipping within the continental U.S. capped at $50 (I pay 
> anything over that, below that you pay only actual cost). Frame is located 
> in Prescott, AZ so there is a possiblity of meeting along interstate 40 or 
> 17 in AZ.
>
>
> *PM me with any questions, comments and, of course, offers! *
>
> *Available To Frame Buyer Only*
> IRD Silver ratchet thumb shifters
> Tektro 559 long reach
> Shimano M591 (rear), Shimano Claris (front) derailleurs
> 2 x 9, 11-32t with chain. Note: guard has crimp that needs to be hammered 
> out
> Sugino XD2 WIDE/LOW double 175
>
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[RBW] Re: eRiv?

[Kiley Demond]

I always wondered about this (the brakes on a Chev that is...). 

On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 10:03:56 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> One caveat: The Chev was a little under-braked with road calipers. Stick 
> with v-brakes for e-kit conversions. 

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