[RBW] Re: For all-rounder fandom doing spring overhauls

[Matthew P]

I watched the first 9 min. Thats pretty good for me! I'll return and skip 
through the 53 min

Nice bike! Really a joy to see.

Possible the headset was just a little tight? Loosen and bit plus re-grease 
it and done? I'll watch more to maybe find out :)

What prompted me to write: I like it "when threads collide" - his tall stem 
called upon that other "clem stem" thread going on.
His stem makes pulling it out difficult. It wouldn't be the case if he was 
using more of the length and cable lengths set at that.
Not a mistake, but we can see how that tall of a stem maybe causes a little 
difficulty for him (quill stem supposed to make adjustments easier, is one 
argument) plus the weight (FWIWeighs).

Great bike though. No complaints overall. I'll return to ingest more of the 
vid.

-Matthew P
San Diego - Kumeyaay Land

On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 9:45:17 AM UTC-7 Mike Godwin wrote:

> Man, that looks like my long ago released AR. Right year of construction.
> Mike SLO CA
>
> On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 9:32:53 AM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Ugh...I have a CK headset on my 1997 A/R which is probably suffering from 
>> benign neglect...maybe I'm not the only one
>>
>> BikeFarmer Rivendell All-Rounder BIKE CHECK with bonus headset overhaul 
>> and head tube facing
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysx21nddMmk=53s 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Bombadil - first ride and work in progress (some photos)

[Matthew P]

Hey Max!

I love that you consider the sanity of shipping bars back and forth across 
the country. Thank you for that.
I have similar concerns with buying direct from Blue Lug.

Oh I remember the confusion about the wheel size! And thats quite a hefty 
thread there.

I was in a similar boat as you before: multiple Rivs that were kind of 
similar. I used the wrong solution: I sold one that I really regret.
Ideally the bike with the most standover clearance (/lowest/slopest top 
tube) also fits the widest tires and is maybe the heavier of the two bikes, 
becomes the trail bike. It gets the widest tires, no fenders. Thats just my 
thinking. And the other bigger-but-lighter bike gets the skinnier tires - I 
like min 42 mm, max 2.1" (units ... sorry) 
Consider the Maxxis Ikons 2.2" (or 2.35"?) for your wider tire. But people 
really like the Thuderburts you already have.
Maybe make the Bombadil and Atlantis as different as possible in how you 
set them up.

And enjoy!!
-Matthew, San Diego - Kumeyaay Land 


On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 10:06:18 PM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:

> Thanks Matthew; the paint is really something! 
>
> It’s a 60 - take a look at the initial confusion I had before getting it - 
> here’s the thread: 
> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/jK5Le9uiJ3E/m/mkygvvKuAAAJ
>
> It’s a 700 wheel size and I think 2.1” would be comfortable and 2.3” or 
> more would be ambitious, particularly with knobs.
>
> Following the Radavist’s bomba build, I had originally ordered MARS 2.3” 
> from ultradynamico but I got the wrong size (650) before getting the bike… 
> I returned them but still wonder how that would handle/look like, so I 
> might reorder at some point - what tires you would you use?
>
> I’m lucky that I have a 58 Hunqapillar with 2.1” thunderburts and no 
> fenders as my hillibike, so I’m not in a hurry to make the change on the 
> Bombadil right now.
>
> The seller said he got it from Riv in 2016, based on the serial, I think 
> it was made in ‘09 which seems in line with the timeline of when they were 
> being sold.
>
> I’ll keep you in mind if I decide to swap the bullmoose bars although it 
> seems silly to have these huge heavy bars shipped from Riv to the east 
> coast to have them shipped back to CA.
>
> Cheers!
> Max
> On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 12:16:23 AM UTC-4 Matthew P wrote:
>
>> Hey there Max!
>>
>> I love your blue Bombadil. It'd be a dream to score one at a reasonable 
>> price. I love that paint!
>> What is the frame size and wheel size?
>> I like fenders but I like even more maxing out my tire width. How wide 
>> can you go? You think about trying that?
>> Any idea on the year of the bike and where it was made?
>> Let me know if you want to sell the bullmoose bars  ;-)
>>
>> Thanks for sharing and happy Bombadil'in!
>>
>> -Matthew P in San Diego
>>
>> On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 10:13:49 AM UTC-7 J J wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the report and photos, Max. Beautiful build on a rare beast. 
>>> It looks like so much fun. Enjoy!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 27, 2023, at 12:11 PM, maxcr  wrote:
>>>
>>> The weather is turning and I finally "finished" my Bombadil build. It's 
>>> not quite finished because I'm not 100% sure I'll keep the Bullmoose 
>>> handlebars - they are very stiff which is great, but the angle isn't ideal 
>>> for my wrists, we'll see but I think the Jones bar is more comfortable for 
>>> me. I might also explore a super wide drop from Crust called the Nullabar. 
>>> I'm also curious about some drivetrain changes, more on that in a future 
>>> thread.
>>>
>>> I acquired the bike in January from a fellow in California who didn't 
>>> seem to be riding it much. This is how it came:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> I've started feeling more comfortable wrenching on my bikes (thanks 
>>> Jason for the encouragement!) and did all of the work myself - ordering 
>>> some parts from Riv, BlueLug and Crust. You've seen some pics over the last 
>>> couple of months, but I want to officially introduce it in its new 
>>> iteration. 
>>>
>>> Yesterday I went out on a mixed terrain ride, first some pavement before 
>>> arriving to the Middlesex Fells, a reservation with lots of trails and bike 
>>> friendly gravel - I started following this route from UrbanDirt 
>>> <https://www.urbandirt.org/routes/you-lost-me> (pretty cool site with 
>>> hubs in a few cities) but didn't finish it because i had to get back home. 
>>> They have some really cool Ride-with-GPS routes you can follow, highly 
>>> re

[RBW] Re: In Praise of Get Around Bars

[Matthew P]

Good thread you resurrected Mitchel Fulfer. 
Birdman Issac's StumpJumper with 2.5's is awesome. I have 2.3" on my "SC" 
of similar year (mine: '84) and didn't think 2.5" would fit. I think the 
ET's small tread/knobs help. I'll keep an eye out.
I assume Captain Conway's bars sold quick. That 2020 price looks mighty 
nice now!  :)
-Matthew P, San Diego - Kumeyaay Territory

On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 10:00:54 PM UTC-7 mitchel...@gmail.com wrote:

> hey! if you are ever looking to sell this frame- id buy!
>
> On Monday, March 30, 2020 at 9:56:06 PM UTC-7 Birdman wrote:
>
>> Good catch, Sam. My bad.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Bombadil - first ride and work in progress (some photos)

[Matthew P]

Hey there Max!

I love your blue Bombadil. It'd be a dream to score one at a reasonable 
price. I love that paint!
What is the frame size and wheel size?
I like fenders but I like even more maxing out my tire width. How wide can 
you go? You think about trying that?
Any idea on the year of the bike and where it was made?
Let me know if you want to sell the bullmoose bars  ;-)

Thanks for sharing and happy Bombadil'in!

-Matthew P in San Diego

On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 10:13:49 AM UTC-7 J J wrote:

> Thanks for the report and photos, Max. Beautiful build on a rare beast. It 
> looks like so much fun. Enjoy!
>
>
> On Mar 27, 2023, at 12:11 PM, maxcr  wrote:
>
> The weather is turning and I finally "finished" my Bombadil build. It's 
> not quite finished because I'm not 100% sure I'll keep the Bullmoose 
> handlebars - they are very stiff which is great, but the angle isn't ideal 
> for my wrists, we'll see but I think the Jones bar is more comfortable for 
> me. I might also explore a super wide drop from Crust called the Nullabar. 
> I'm also curious about some drivetrain changes, more on that in a future 
> thread.
>
> I acquired the bike in January from a fellow in California who didn't seem 
> to be riding it much. This is how it came:
>
> 
>
> I've started feeling more comfortable wrenching on my bikes (thanks Jason 
> for the encouragement!) and did all of the work myself - ordering some 
> parts from Riv, BlueLug and Crust. You've seen some pics over the last 
> couple of months, but I want to officially introduce it in its new 
> iteration. 
>
> Yesterday I went out on a mixed terrain ride, first some pavement before 
> arriving to the Middlesex Fells, a reservation with lots of trails and bike 
> friendly gravel - I started following this route from UrbanDirt 
> <https://www.urbandirt.org/routes/you-lost-me> (pretty cool site with 
> hubs in a few cities) but didn't finish it because i had to get back home. 
> They have some really cool Ride-with-GPS routes you can follow, highly 
> recommended.
>
> 
>
> After getting to the entrance of the Fells, I started thinking that 
> perhaps this wasn't ideal for my slick tires and fenders. Many of the 
> trails had big rocks and require you to dismount and walk (see below) but I 
> guess that's part of the fun so I kept going.
>
> 
>
> 
>
> I walked up the slope and then started riding a winding gravel path with 
> some smaller rocks. There were some wet / muddy patches but overall it was 
> all very enjoyable and the bike handled great.
>
> <4EEC3310-9B05-419E-9A9D-3B2F0A9E8D1D.jpeg>
>
>
> 
>
> I think the cockpit is ideal for this type of riding, which leaves me 
> wishing the wrist position would be an issue. I'll give it more miles 
> before deciding what to do.
>
> I had to lower the bar quite a bit from my initial position because I 
> wanted to use my Rod Steward (Pec Deck v2) and if I had the bars higher up, 
> it just wouldn't reach. I'll take it off and try with the bars higher. It's 
> also very close to the Paul canti arms, so maybe not the best fit for this 
> build.
>
> 
>
> When I stopped following the route and started following my GPS to get 
> home, I ended up going through some areas that weren't very bike friendly - 
> after the photo below. I had to carry the bike up a slope and ended up in a 
> place with huge rocks. Once I crossed I rode a bit more and hit the main 
> road which brought me back home.
>
> 
>
> All in all, the bike was amazing throughout the 13.5 mile ride. I feel 
> incredibly lucky to have found this rare 2TT on my size! Can't wait to go 
> out again.
>
> Max near Boston.
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[RBW] 2023 March 1 Bikes for sale thread: Craigslist etc.

[Matthew P]

Starting with this Legolas in Portland that I've thought about buying 
myself:

https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-legolas-59cm/7591649041.html

Full build details are available here:
https://quicklywilliam.notion.site/Rivendell-Legolas-93889153504547b79fba9a124170c60d

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[RBW] Re: Riv backpack?

[Matthew P]

I thought this had sold already. Wally should take it. If not, I'm 
interested.
-Matthew in San Diego

On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 11:44:19 AM UTC-8 Zach Hale wrote:

> I've got a stick pack for sale if anyone's interested. $80 + ship
>
> https://www.instagram.com/p/CY-S0RRJD-G/?utm_medium=copy_link
>
> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 3:08:55 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Some more info for you:
>>
>> [image: Screen Shot 2022-01-16 at 6.08.08 PM.png]
>>
>> On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 4:57:54 PM UTC-5 Corwin wrote:
>>
>>> Not take anything away from the backpack being offered - but Rivendell 
>>> Mountain Works is in business again:
>>>
>>> https://www.rivendellmountainworks.com/
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>> Corwin
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 13, 2022 at 12:46:41 PM UTC-8 Norman R wrote:
>>>
 RMW backpack (favorably remarked upon by Grant, I recall). Barely used, 
 no blemishes. If this is what you meant, let me know.

 On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 3:09:19 PM UTC-5 Wally Estrella wrote:

> sorry, I can't recall the name of the RBW backpacks from many moons 
> ago.
> Anyone have one in decent condition they'd part with?  I'd trade a 
> new/unworn short brimmed orange RBW hat and $ for one it. 
>
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/grant-petersens-blog/aug-20-no-26-lugs-new-bikes-used-bikes
>
> Thanks,
> Wally in the land of only one area code.
>


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[RBW] Re: WTT Hunqapillar for Joe Appaloosa

[Matthew P]

I have the 57 cm orange Appaloosa but your Hunq is too big for me. A Hunq 
for me would be about 56 cm I reckon. 
Trade the Hunq for a smaller one and then trade that one to me? 
We need a third person to make this bike trade triangle!
-Matthew
San Diego

On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:58:45 PM UTC-8 Friend wrote:

> Bummer cause I've got a 62cm Appaloosa and would definitely be interested. 
>  Would you sell this?
>
> On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 11:57:45 AM UTC-5 s...@macksbikeandgoods.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Bunch
>>
>> I am thinking about trying to trade my 62cm Hunqapillar frame for a 57cm 
>> Joe appaloosa frame. 
>>
>> I love my Hunq and don't have to trade it but I have been thinking about 
>> a slightly smaller frame with some of the same attributes as my hunq... 
>>
>> I am looking for a 57cm Joe Appaloosa preferably in orange. Would also 
>> consider a trade for a 59cm Hunqapillar possibly.
>>
>> Trading frame only!  
>>
>> [image: C2800C43-343D-4DC7-88BA-1006505FFBA1.JPG]
>>
>>
>> [image: DA2E28CD-CE4A-491C-8DDB-18F23CD7E1C1.JPG][image: 
>> 6110CC5C-5BE4-4CF1-B569-E4DDEF83CCAE.JPG][image: 
>> 35FA6ADB-E7AE-4F5C-B291-E0C515C0DB65.JPG][image: 
>> 6894BFEE-1746-4D1F-8A75-21D6F0627370.JPG]
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Craigslist/others thread

[Matthew P]

'Nother Rivendale for sale. A tall one
67cm Rivendell A. Homer Hilsen Single top tube.
San Diego
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/bik/d/san-diego-rivendell-homer-hilsen/7406756215.html

On Wednesday, December 8, 2021 at 12:25:54 PM UTC-8 duh...@gmail.com wrote:

> I emailed on the Clem L last night, still no response.
>
> On Wednesday, December 8, 2021 at 12:23:04 PM UTC-8 ericyue...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Jesus Christ, I do not need another bike but that Clem is such an insane 
>> deal I feel like it's offensive for me not to buy it. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 9:25:17 PM UTC-8 Jeremy Simon wrote:
>>
>>> Please someone pick up this beautiful and large Clem L before I do 
>>> something I regret 
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/bik/d/santa-cruz-rivendaleclem-smith-jrlike/7417901386.html
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 9:23:53 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 54cm 2021 Joe Appaloosa in orange. Built by Crust Bikes in Richmond, 
 VA. $4,000. No relations. 


 https://www.ebay.com/itm/255148243764?hash=item3b68053b34:g:nKMAAOSwgf5hTSFP

 On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 12:01:49 PM UTC-5 Edwin W wrote:

> 58cm Rambo in Huntsville
>
> https://huntsville.craigslist.org/bik/d/huntsville-rivendell-rambouillet-58cm/7412785968.html
> No connection,
> Edwin
>
> On Friday, December 3, 2021 at 7:28:29 AM UTC-6 bjmi...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Oooh...really pretty 60cm double TT Sam with canti posts in Iowa 
>> City. No affiliation with the seller here.
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/255258634855?mkevt=1=0=e11021.m43.l1120=7=osgood=5ea56e44de8e4dc99a63e45079d3039c=43091514547=RU=-1%7E1=20211203050755=11021=ch%3Dch%2Cbu%3Dbu%2Cut%3Dut%2Cosub%3Dosub%2Ccrd%3Dcrd%2Csegname%3Dsegname%2Cchnl%3Dmkcid
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 7:30:33 AM UTC-6 Ben Mihovk wrote:
>>
>>> Nice 58cm Sam with Dyno on eBay. It's in the Bay area...with all the 
>>> extras, I think it's a great deal. No affiliation with the seller here. 
>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/284548084495?mkevt=1=0=e11021.m43.l1120=7=osgood=87a9e36b60454493938906df70f8a1ec=43091514547=RU=-1%7E1=20211130055429=11021=ch%3Dch%2Cbu%3Dbu%2Cut%3Dut%2Cosub%3Dosub%2Ccrd%3Dcrd%2Csegname%3Dsegname%2Cchnl%3Dmkcid
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 6:04:17 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 62cm Sam

 https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/petaluma-62cm-sam-hillborne-new/7385309583.html
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell-ish Romanceur (general reviews on my favorite parts - baggabond /losco))

[Matthew P]

Hi Mackenzy!
This is my favorite post and bike on here/anywhere in my short term memory.
I love your take on things, especially this: "  In general I've tried to 
use as many second hand parts as possible. I love collecting, and the 
"objectness" and history of parts vs off the shelf new parts.  "
I think what I feel is the same but I have never fleshed it out in words. 
There is a materialism about it but I'm not about the wealth side of 
things, moreso the diversity of parts, and therefore the potential 
diversity within and between bikes/builds.
More pics please!
I'll try to find you on Instagram.
Words fail.
-Matthew P
San Diego, Kumeyaay land
P.S. Today I learned Gipiemme

On Tuesday, November 2, 2021 at 12:07:31 PM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:

> *what does "shred patriarchy" mean?* - Keeping it as non-political as 
> possible - "shred the patriarchy" is a slogan of the RAR (radical adventure 
> riders) as a movement of creating awareness and space for diversity and 
> less toxic-masculinity in outdoor recreation. 
>
> On Tuesday, November 2, 2021 at 12:52:50 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Oh, and what does "shred patriarchy" mean?
>>
>> Patrick "shredding patriarch" Moore
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 12:23 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> Mackenzy: That is a *very* nice setup indeed ...
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 11:14 AM Mackenzy Albright  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>> Hi everyone! just wanted to share my rivendell inspired romanceur build. 
>>>> ...
>>>
>>>
>> -- 
>>
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
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[RBW] Re: Susie & Gus take a 40 day Vacation

[Matthew P]

Nosegrind on the pool coping!  Nice ledgework too.

I think the Anti Hero (& Girl-Anti Hero "Beauty & the Beast") trips of 
camping/sleeping wherever, in urban parks etc., changed the way I think 
about travel.
They showed me that "out there" begins wherever you've never been, which 
starts really close to home for me, despite having been much further.
And the bike is my way to fill in the gaps.
-Matthew P
doing local bike camping in San Diego on Kumeyaay land

On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 7:19:25 AM UTC-7 Damien wrote:

> You guys rip! That was s fun to watch. You've inspired me to go for a 
> bike-skate sesh even though it's going to feel mildly wintry here this week.
>
> On Monday, 1 November 2021 at 09:53:53 UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>
>> Hell yeah dude, likewise if you come by NC.
>>
>> On Saturday, October 30, 2021 at 2:26:12 PM UTC-4 Tim Baldwin wrote:
>>
>>> This trip was a blast! Glad Joseph and I made it happen after postponing 
>>> a year due to the pandemic. Many thanks to Allison for the drop-off.
>>>
>>> Stephen, it was a pleasure riding the Nutmeg with you. Hoping to do it 
>>> again next year. Holler if you end up in the Chicago area and we can link 
>>> up for a ride.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 30, 2021 at 10:17:16 AM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is dope, looks like an awesome trip! I got to ride with Tim last 
>>>> week in Connecticut, it was a great time!
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 11:32:07 AM UTC-4 joseph...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUGgOqEqOkc
>>>>>
>>>>> took a 40 day vacation with bikes.  I ride a Gus and my friend, Tim, a 
>>>>> Susie.  Check out the video above for a recap of events in sequential 
>>>>> order.
>>>>>
>>>>> The original idea was a skate trip by bicycles but with mediocre at 
>>>>> best planning.  We would ride from Seattle to Oakland finding as much 
>>>>> dirt 
>>>>> and gravel as possible.  
>>>>> We left Chicago by car on July 3rd with my wife, 2 dogs, 2 bikes and 
>>>>> plenty of camping equipment.  We dropped my bike off in Seattle to get 
>>>>> the 
>>>>> front hub replaced and drove up to Orcas Island for some camping and 
>>>>> skating.  After 10 days of driving my wife dropped Tim & I in Seattle to 
>>>>> begin the biking portion.  Yes, my wife dropped us in Seattle and drover 
>>>>> herself and the 2 dogs back to Chicago by herself.  She is the best and 
>>>>> has 
>>>>> already let me know she will not be doing that again anytime soon. 
>>>>> Free Range Cycles in Seattle was the starting point for the biking 
>>>>> portion because that is where my bike was.  We had a late start and ended 
>>>>> up skating under the bridge, Marginal Way, until dark with the Grindline 
>>>>> crew.  A guy named Isaac gave us a place to crash on the flat bottom of 
>>>>> there indoor vert ramp.  He also gave us a great route to hit skateparks 
>>>>> along the way towards Yakima.  
>>>>>
>>>>> We zigzagged through Washington hitting skateparks along the way. If 
>>>>> you didn't know already the Seattle area has the most skateparks per 
>>>>> capita.  The route was not straight forward but the trip was not meant to 
>>>>> be. We rode towards Yakima and hung for a day before making our way 
>>>>> towards Bingen, WA.
>>>>> After skating Bingen Park for a full day we hitchhiked across the 
>>>>> Columbia River to get into Hood River, Oregon.  From Hood River we rode 
>>>>> to 
>>>>> Portland and instead of staying in Portland for 3 days we stayed for 14.  
>>>>> After about 8 days our friend finally asked how long we would be sleeping 
>>>>> on his floor.  We originally thought we would ride the Oregon Outback but 
>>>>> due to heavy fires thought best to just stay and skate Burnside everyday 
>>>>> and do some s24o in the Portland area. (We plan on going back and doing 
>>>>> the 
>>>>> Outback in the early spring time).  We both were not interested in biking 
>>>>> the 1 and used a Hertz bailout to rent a van and drive the 1 with our 
>>>>> bikes 
>>>>> to Oakland.  Saving our legs for lots of day rides and skating through

[RBW] Re: The scariest Rivendell - Halloween Special - Pumpkin QuickBeam and Carbon

[Matthew P]

In hindsight I assume the stem and seatpost are Ti ...
That deeper/redder orange is fantastic.
-Matthew 

On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 2:35:54 PM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:

> Agree about 12/10 coolness factor ...my knees find that gearing scary 
> though... 
>
> On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 3:00:52 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> It's cool. 12/10 would ride 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 5:50:37 AM UTC-7 Max S wrote:
>>
>>> Don't let Grant and the Riv gang see this, okay?.. 
>>>
>>> - Max "Well, don't say I didn't warn ya in the subject line..." in A2 
>>>
>>> [image: QuickBeam - Enve 67 carbon wheels - drive side.jpeg]
>>> [image: QuickBeam - carbon wheels - threequarter.jpg]
>>> [image: QuickBeam - Enve Endless Bike DT Swiss White Ind drivetrain.jpeg]
>>> [image: QuickBeam - carbon wheels - chainline.jpg]
>>> [image: QuickBeam - carbon Ti - seat cluster.jpeg]
>>>
>>

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[RBW] WTT: My Medium MUSA shorts for your Small

[Matthew P]

Hello all.

I scored black and gray/blue medium MUSA shorts from Eric:
https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/dlY4wVQhNVA

They're great, but I'd be better off with size Small.

Anyone have size Small and would like Medium?

I'm also on the lookout for MUSA pants - Small or (preferably?) Medium.

Thank you!
-Matthew "how do we add tags to posts now? just the subject prefix?" P
in San Diego, Kumeyaay Land

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[RBW] Re: The scariest Rivendell - Halloween Special - Pumpkin QuickBeam and Carbon

[Matthew P]

Max I dig it!
What stem is that? Did you give it the dull finish or is that stock?
Heck of a seatpost too.
Newbaums bar tape? Pairs great.
Thanks for giving me some bikestoke.
-Matthew
San Diego, Kumeyaay Land

On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 7:35:30 AM UTC-7 Wally Estrella wrote:

> Orange is now definitely the fastest color!  
> Are you actually riding this faster Ent or just mock it up?  
> if mocked up, send it for a spin anyhow!
>
> On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 10:30:27 AM UTC-4 JohnS wrote:
>
>> Looks like fun!
>>
>> JohnS
>>
>> On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 10:21:21 AM UTC-4 Dave Grossman wrote:
>>
>>> Not aero enough Max
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 8:14:11 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 5:50:37 AM UTC-7 Max S wrote:

> Don't let Grant and the Riv gang see this, okay?.. 
>
> - Max "Well, don't say I didn't warn ya in the subject line..." in A2 
>
> [image: QuickBeam - Enve 67 carbon wheels - drive side.jpeg]
> [image: QuickBeam - carbon wheels - threequarter.jpg]
> [image: QuickBeam - Enve Endless Bike DT Swiss White Ind 
> drivetrain.jpeg]
> [image: QuickBeam - carbon wheels - chainline.jpg]
> [image: QuickBeam - carbon Ti - seat cluster.jpeg]
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[RBW] Re: FS: MUSA shorts (5) and pants (1) LOT

[Matthew P]

Hi Eric,
If splitting and Thomas takes Large ...
I'm a Medium and would be happy to grab #2 and #5
Maybe #3 or 4 or 6 as an alternate.
Thank you
-Matthew
San Diego - Kumeyaay land


On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 2:48:07 PM UTC-7 Thomas B wrote:

> Hi Eric,
>
> Not sure if you'll entertain splitting things up, but I'd like to buy the 
> size L shorts. Are they black or green? I couldn't tell from the post.
>
> Thanks,
> Thomas
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, October 20, 2021 at 12:51:39 PM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> [image: 00A.JPG][image: 00B.JPG]
>>
>>
>> Up for sale, five pair of Rivendell MUSA shorts and one pair of MUSA 
>> pants. All are size medium except for one black pair of shorts which are 
>> size large. $300 for the lot plus shipping to you from 22401. Payment via 
>> Venmo or PayPal Friends & Family. 
>>
>> More pics are here on google drive. 
>> 
>>
>> 01. Green, size large. Reflectors on the back, all buttons and belt 
>> intact. Some scuffs as shown from crashing while wearing these. 
>>
>> 02. Black, size medium. Reflectors on the back, all buttons and belt 
>> intact. 
>>
>> 03. Blue-gray, size medium. With navy blue gussets. All buttons intact. 
>> Please note tie-off nylon belt. These are heavier weight nylon that the 
>> rest of the shorts and pants in the lot. 
>>
>> 04. Blue-gray, size medium. With navy blue gussets. All buttons 
>> intact. Please note tie-off nylon belt. These are heavier weight nylon that 
>> the rest of the shorts and pants in the lot. 
>>
>> 05. Butternut / tan, size medium. With green gussets. Belt is missing! 
>> Buttons intact. Adjustable leg cuff with velcro closure. 
>>
>> 06. Butternut / tan, size medium. With green gussets. Buttons intact. 
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: A Susie, One Year In

[Matthew P]

Awesome stuff Tex-Riv'ers!

Andrew, your's is the type of post I say I will do but never do. Thank you 
for sharing. You're doing it. Nice bike. Nice bars.

Funny, I was thinking of going the opposite route with a Gus or Susie: 
downsize for a long and low bike. I don't know if it would actually be low. 
But I'm thinking lowrider inspired.
I'm on a 58 cm Atlantis right now and fit is right. I guess a Large 
Gus/Susie would be my size and a Medium would be downsizing.
Someone posted a 650b Gus or Susie, a bit of a prototype or something with 
that wheel size. I am still thinking about it.

I'd love to get/ride out to Tx. I heard of a long trail in the Southern 
part of the state. 100 or 100s mile trail. I'll get there.

Keep on doin' it!
-Matthew
San Diego, CA. Kumeyaay land.

On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 9:08:57 AM UTC-7 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Andrew
>
> Thanks for the post and pics. Always cool to hear about more RBW folks in 
> Austin. Now that Ultrasummer is giving way to False Fall maybe we can do an 
> RBW/#coffeeoutside meetup or something. I'd love to compare notes on Susie 
> vs Clem L. 
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 10:08:50 AM UTC-5 Andrew Stevens wrote:
>
>> Last October i purchased an XL Susie Longbolts. I'm 5' 9 and 3/4'' but 
>> have short arms and a curiously high sitbone; a PBH of 88cm but short reach 
>> in the end. Some, most even, would say that an XL is too big, but after a 
>> decade plus of riding bikes that were supposedly the "right size," but felt 
>> incredibly aggressive no matter how tall of a stem I used, I began sizing 
>> up and up and up and up. 
>>
>> Even working at a bike shop, the 2020 parts shortage meant building a 
>> bike was an exercise in patience, persistence, and Macgyver-ing, so I 
>> envisioned a mostly parts bin build. Ive since replaced the cranks (vintage 
>> Shimano 600 mtb) with White Industries, and the $2 parts bin stem with a 
>> Crust/Nitto faceplater. I found some old VP Beartraps, in green, and will 
>> be installing an old green nutted Chris King headset. The wheels were new 
>> (built by me) on Velo Orange Voyager rims, a Deore rear hub, and a Shutter 
>> Precision front. 
>>
>> The handlebars came before the bike, and were the first item on the 
>> vision board: custom bent by Doom Bars in New Mexico, right between the 
>> Billie Bar and Velo Orange Granola bar in sweep, and wider than both. 60mm 
>> rise, 65 degree sweep, and 689mm wide. My idea was to have a long bike, 
>> short stem, and long swept back bars with XL ESI grips and old Dia Compe 
>> moto levers. I spend most of my time on the very end of the bars, using one 
>> finger to brake. The bars are patina-ing quite nicely in the Austin 
>> humidity. 
>>
>> It's set up friction, with a Left side Paul Thumbie upside down on the 
>> right side. I love the Teravails and they've been set up tubeless with no 
>> issues the whole time. The yoke cable on the Paul cantis has very very 
>> little clearance and sometimes rubs on the rear tire, but a higher yoke 
>> reduced mechanical advantage too much. It's my most comfortable bike by 
>> far, in a stable of incredibly comfort oriented bikes. Its also my fastest 
>> on my normal commutes because its the easiest to ride. It feels incredibly 
>> stable off-road, though tight tree sections are impassable with the wide 
>> bars, but the long wheel base and wide bars make traction and body english 
>> very reliable. The only thing is that the flex in the middle of the frame 
>> is incredible noticeable, even when riding seated: thats a long bit of 
>> metal, and lots of leverage with those wide bars!
>>
>> Sometimes I regret not getting the L/56, but the amount of seatpost 
>> showing is part of the aesthetic and body position I was going for. I 
>> *barely* clear the step-thru, but my personal fit motto is "it should be a 
>> French Fit on a sloping top tube" or in this case, a strangely bent one. 
>>
>> Photos are from Sedona, Tucson, Austin, and Taos. The frosty pic is from 
>> outside Ft Davis, TX during the freak snowstorm last winter that left us on 
>> the freeway for 10 hours.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Andrew in Austin
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Posters - Update in the works

[Matthew P]

Fantastic. I don't have a new model to contribute, but I can dream up 
multiple posters I'd love to have (I'd pay money for them), like, comparing 
the different Atlantii (2) - Toyo, Waterford, MIT - or, different 
versions/builds/colors of the same model - "the many faces of Joe 
Appaloosa".

I think this is an appropriate thread to ask: what about the posters Riv 
has put out over the years? Anybody got any to sell? I remember the one 
with the kid being available somewhere.
Perhaps after my next move, or the one after that, once I feel I'll be 
somewhere for at least 5 years, I'm keen, for these, and for the posters of 
people riding the countryside from more than a couple decades ago.

Keep us postered...er...posted :)
-Matthew
San Diego

On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 9:37:47 AM UTC-7 Marty Gierke, 
Stewartstown PA wrote:

> Looks great - but yeah, that was an old one - ending with the Appaloosa! I 
> have to admit I have never framed one myself, but am committed to doing 
> that with the next iteration. Cross my heart! 
>
> On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 11:40:02 AM UTC-4 cycli...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Marty.  I have a copy of the last iteration of the head badge 
>> poster framed and hanging.  Looking forward to the new versions of both 
>> posters.
>>
>> [image: IMG_2874.jpg]
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 7:56:49 AM UTC-7 Marty Gierke, 
>> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>>
>>> Eons ago (well, nearly ten) I put together a poster highlighting each of 
>>> the models that had been made up to then. (And a few customs) Might be time 
>>> to update - ya think? I would need a good side-shot of all the new models 
>>> since then. (I have a Clem H, so that's covered.) Shoot me a PM if you want 
>>> to play. No guarantees how long it would take, but maybe in time for the 
>>> holidays. Will also be updating the head-badge poster as it's been a couple 
>>> years. Here are the most recent of both for those not aware of this 
>>> self-inflicted ritual. I will post the final Hi-res versions on my Flickr 
>>> page and you can download and print to your heart's content. I will size 
>>> them for 18"X24". 
>>>
>>> Marty
>>>
>>> [image: 6923100084_fd3af0d7fe_k.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: 25th Riv Poster 122419 SMALL.jpg]
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FT: 700x50 Soma Cazaderos for something wider

[Matthew P]

Hey Jeremy,
I just saw this now. No problem. I'll put them up to the group and see if I 
catch anything.
Wishing I didn't miss those Super Yummies!
Happy Schwalbeing.
-Matthew
San Diego

On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 12:55:45 PM UTC-7 Jeremy Till wrote:

> Hi Matthew, 
>
> Thanks for the offer, but I actually had already found another member to 
> whom I traded the Cazaderos for a pair of Schwalbes. The Ardents look like 
> great tires (especially love the tan sidewall) but I'm trying not to hoard 
> too much at the moment.   
>
> Best,
>
> Jeremy
>
> On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 3:54:34 PM UTC-7 Matthew P wrote:
>
>> Hey Jeremy,
>>
>> Sorry for the delay. I hope I didn't lag too long.
>> I scored some 29x2.4" Maxxis Ardents, off David Banzer from Treetop Bags 
>> I believe. Had'em on his Clem, doing what you say, maxing out the tire 
>> clearance.
>> I was going to try them on my Atlantis but I already see they won't fit 
>> without shaving'em bald or something.
>> It'd make a lot more sense to trade with you. Wanna trade? Pic included. 
>> They're a little dirty but appear to be in darn good shape (as I received 
>> them).
>> If you (or anyone else) wants these but don't have the Cazaderos anymore, 
>> I'd be interested in other tires. Basically anything 48 mm wide and above, 
>> in 26", 27.5", or 29".
>>
>> -Matthew
>> Kinda wishing all wheels & tires were one size (27.5" or 26")
>> and my Atlantis could fit that size at 2.4" wide or maybe even 2.6"
>> in San Diego, CA
>>
>> [image: IMG_20210826_073736.jpg]
>>
>> On Thursday, July 29, 2021 at 10:51:17 AM UTC-7 Jeremy Till wrote:
>>
>>> Probably a long shot, but up for trade is one used pair of Soma 
>>> Cazaderos in the 700x50 size with tan sidewalls (tubeless compatible). I 
>>> bought these used from a list member thinking they'd be good knobbies for 
>>> my erstwhile early Hunqapillar. Now that that bike is sold I'd like to 
>>> trade them for something that more fully utilizes my Clem's more generous 
>>> tire clearances, something in the 700x55-60mm/29x2.2-2.3" range with an XC 
>>> or gravel type tread pattern and tubeless compatibility. I'm somewhat 
>>> agnostic on suppleness vs. protective casing, especially with tubeless 
>>> tires.
>>>
>>> As far as I can tell the previous owner had these set up tubeless so 
>>> there is some sealant residue inside the tire and mild tread wear, more 
>>> noticeable on one tire than the other (I assume that was on the rear). I 
>>> only seated one tire on my rim to check out the sizing but never added 
>>> sealant, a tube, or rode them.
>>>
>>> If you have a pair of tires in as-new condition that you'd be willing to 
>>> trade I'd be happy to throw in some cash or other extras into the deal to 
>>> make it fair.  
>>>
>>> Picture here: https://flic.kr/p/2mdYjaw
>>>
>>> -Jeremy Till
>>> Sacramento, CA
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis Winter Project - Looking For Parts

[Matthew P]

Nice score! 
I don't know what is best for acquiring parts, but it might help to give 
some of your preferences on the parts and it might strike a chord with list 
members that they have such a part.
Not to say that you have to say a specific part, but like, wheel size, 
brake type etc., like you did for the handlebars.
Good luck and keep us posted!
-Matthew
first successful rides on my atlantis this weekend!!

On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 9:12:48 AM UTC-7 h...@chrisdedinsky.com 
wrote:

> I was able to track down my first riv this summer — second-hand Atlantis 
> frame! Needless to say, I am thrilled and have been following this thread 
> for a while looking at inspiration during the bike hunting phase.
>
> I'm about to embark on the parts collecting stage of this build so I can 
> noodle away this winter and thought I should shoot a note into the ether 
> and see if anyone has stuff collecting dust in their respective bins they 
> may be looking to unload (ideally in BC/Canada to keep shipping affordable, 
> if possible). 
>
> The plan, tentatively, is to set it up very upright, swept-back with big 
> ol' knobby tires and a responsible amount of gearing. I live in Kelowna, BC 
> and we have a wonderful selection of trails and fire roads around here 
> which I've been exploring on my All-city Spacehorse the past few years and 
> am looking forward to making this ride a fair bit more plushy and relaxed.
>
> Glad to be part of the Owners Bunch for real now! 
>
> Here's a pick of it sitting on my desk after unboxing day:
>
> [image: 65032918793__9F6A0224-5257-44D5-AD51-DC216B4A6525.JPG]
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[RBW] Re: Toyo Atlantis- Classic frame, New build

[Matthew P]

Hey John,

Thanks for writing. A little push is welcomed by me.
I gave it a crack maybe two weeks ago with atj ~127 mm wide spindle.
As I tightened down the bolt into the driveside crank, the 30T inner ring 
crept closer and closer to that curved chainstay that I love.
I thought about not cranking any further, but then decided against that. 
Well before pushing too hard on that axle bolt, the inner ring hit the 
chainstay. Darnit!
I learned one thing in the process, I think: initially I was getting play 
in the spindle coming out of the BB cups. I think I figured that out: the 
ball bearings were too small.
I threw in another set of larger ball bearings (I need one of those Park 
Tools rulers with the graduated holes for measuring ball bearings) and that 
seemed to resolve it.
It also gave me another idea.
I have a ~1mm spacer I could use on the driveside. When I tried it last, 
not enough of the square taper extended beyond the driveside cup.
That was with ball bearings in cages. I'm thinking using loose ball 
bearings might save me some width and allow me to use the spacer.
Plan B is already on the way: a new-in-box, new-old-stock 130mm Specialized 
spindle. That's gotta work.
130 mm may sound super wide but its just about 1.5 cm wider than a very 
standard spindle.
It looks like I'm having to push out that inner ring to the position where 
the middle ring on a triple would be.
I ask myself: just go with the triple?
But I think a double is where its at. I want them on every bike I build 
from here on out.

I follow up after the loose ball bearing attempt fails and the 130 mm 
spindle arrives and goes in.

Thanks!
-Matthew
San Diego (Kumeyaay land)

On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 3:32:22 AM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:

> Hey Matthew,
>
> Did you get the width of your axle figured out for your double crank? If 
> so, I'd like to hear (and see) how your build came out.
>
> Cheers,
> John
>
> On Friday, July 9, 2021 at 1:09:13 AM UTC+9 Matthew P wrote:
>
>> Awesome John.
>> Neat crankset. I'm almost done building up my Toyo Atlantis.
>> I'm insisting on using a double crankset and the curved chainstays get 
>> wide real quick.
>> I love them, but they make it hard to fit the double, with the inner ring 
>> being 30T instead of 24T or 26T on a triple. 
>> 123 mm axle was still not wide enough, so I'm looking for a wider axle.
>> I love seeing the Toyo Atlantii. Enjoy!
>> -Matthew, San Diego, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 7, 2021 at 8:25:19 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> It’s beautiful but the fabulous ride is what is most important. Many 
>>> happy miles to you and Atlantis. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 7, 2021 at 10:08:25 PM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:
>>>
>>>> Several months ago, a gentleman named NC Tom passed along a beautiful 
>>>> 64cm Toyo Atlantis to me. As I was in Japan at the time, the frame, 
>>>> expertly packed and shipped, waited for me at my Dad's place. 
>>>>
>>>> It is now summer in BC and the frame is now a full-fledged bike, built 
>>>> mostly from parts laying around or 'borrowed' from my '94 Yeti ARC. I did 
>>>> pick up a new rack and seatpost at BlueLug in Hatagaya before leaving 
>>>> Japan, and I built some new wheels with some 25-year old Chris King hubs 
>>>> that sing like the day I got 'em. The ride is zippy, nimble, responsive, 
>>>> but most of all super comfortable. The paint is pristine and there are 
>>>> some 
>>>> exquisite details from the craftsmen at Toyo. A lovely Riv, indeed.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers to NC Tom!
>>>>
>>>> [image: ToyoAtlantis2005.jpeg]
>>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nexave Rear Der

[Matthew P]

Nice Nick and Joe! Thats great info. -Matthew

On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 6:43:02 PM UTC-7 Nick Payne wrote:

> On Friday, 13 August 2021 at 5:19:50 am UTC+10 Matthew P wrote:
>
>> Ignoring Sram because I am unfamiliar, and a road vs. mtb/mtn difference, 
>> lets say within Shimano mtb/mtn freehub bodies and cassettes, the widths 
>> are the same 8 speed through 12 speed. Double check me here: 
>> https://www.sheldonbrown.com/speeds.html So a rear derailer has to 
>> travel the same distance inboard-outboard-wise for 8-12 speeds, staying 
>> within the confines of friction shifting.
>
>
> Actually, no. The Shimano MTB freehub body ramains the same width, but 
> from 11s onwards the cassette is 1.85mm wider - the largest cog on a 
> 11-speed MTB cassette overhangs on the inside so that it can fit on the 
> shorter body. So the derailleur has to be able to travel that extra 1.85mm 
> sideways to shift across an 11s cassette. Shimano 11s road hubs have a 
> freehub body with splines that are 1.85mm longer than their 11-speed MTB 
> hubs - because the smaller largest cog on most road cassettes doesn't allow 
> the cassette to overhang on the inside without the derailleur fouling the 
> spokes in the smallest gear. The exception on their 11s road cassettes are 
> the HG-800 and HG-700 11-34 cassettes, where the largest cog is big enough 
> that it can overhang ok, so those cassettes will fit on an 8/9/10 freehub.
>
> Not that the extra throw required causes a problem in real life. I've used 
> a Deore XT 7s RD on a 9s cassette, and 9/10s RDs with 11s cassettes, and 
> they've had no problem shifting across the entire cassette. And on the SRAM 
> side, it's their 10s MTB derailleurs (usually labelled "Exact Actuation") 
> that are compatible with their 11s road shifters, if you want to run 11s 
> indexed on a drop bar bike with a wide range cassette.
>
> Nick
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[RBW] Re: FS: RBW Orange Hat

[Matthew P]

wo!

On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 11:45:06 AM UTC-7 Paul Choi wrote:

> Sold to Matthew :)
>
> On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 11:26:29 AM UTC-7 Matthew P wrote:
>
>> I'd love to have it!
>> -Matthew
>>
>> On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 11:03:01 AM UTC-7 Paul Choi wrote:
>>
>>> This was purchased new from Rivendell and worn once. As new. $40 shipped 
>>> conus. PayPal ff. Local pickup is fine if you are local. I'm in Santa 
>>> Clara. 
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Paul
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Riv Hat

[Matthew P]

I grabbed that orange Riv ballcap that went up today and I'm very happy 
about that.
Roberta's blue Riv cycling cap is still available.
Thanks
-Matthew
San Diego

On Wednesday, August 11, 2021 at 9:17:04 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Aha; thank you, Garth. Just what I was looking for.
>
> On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 4:11 AM Garth  wrote:
>
>> Patrick,  Try these, all have a wide variety of the usual and unusual. 
>>
>> https://www.moltenicycling.com/collections/vintage-cycling-caps
>> (Vintage looking T's, hoodies, jerseys, shoes, posters and prints too)
>>
>> https://www.bikebag.com/retro-cycling-caps-s/1874.htm
>>
>>
>> https://www.action-emporium.com/collections/cycling-caps/style-vintage?sort_by=title-ascending
>>
>> Garth, Who rides today in a scullcap underneath a 90's Duckbill Cap from 
>> Pata-who-?, whose current shallow depth "one size fits all" versions fit no 
>> one. 
>> On Tuesday, August 10, 2021 at 9:32:41 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Speaking of cycling caps: Bike Gnashbar used to sell wonderful 
>>> retro-team caps; they were always on deep discount, or, in other words, 
>>> list was always "75% off!!!" I am wearing out the remainders of my BP, 
>>> Molteni, Legnano, Peugeot, and Bianchi ones, and I've not seem them offered 
>>> for a long while.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know where one can buy such retro-caps?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Patrick Moore, who dasn't wear his Bianchi cap with his wool Bianchi 
>>> jersey for fear of appearing effete, in ABQ, NM.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 7:25 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Roberta: If the OP doesn't grab, I'm interested, if you care to sell. 
>>>> My ~15-year-old green Riv cycling cap needs a copain.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Patrick "no g-damned baseball caps for me" Moore
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 7:03 PM Roberta  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have one I’m pretty sure unworn. Cycling cap. It looks like this but 
>>>>> Homer blue ( the darker Homer). It’s in my house somewhere in a box. If 
>>>>> you’re interested, I’ll find it and get you pics. House is non smoking 
>>>>> and 
>>>>> no pets. 
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.pinterest.jp/pin/377528381248306877/
>>>>>
>>>>> Roberta
>>>>> On Tuesday, August 10, 2021 at 4:03:35 PM UTC-4 Matt Beecher wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> They did a nice run of hats a couple years ago.  I picked up a bucket 
>>>>>> hat, 2nd hand.  I really wanted one of the traditional baseball style 
>>>>>> hats.  I seem to recall a nice looking orange one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a green baseball cap, but quality does not seem quite as nice 
>>>>>> as the Blue Lug or the ones I missed out on.  I'm hopeful there will be 
>>>>>> a 
>>>>>> higher end hat offering coming up while they are looking for something 
>>>>>> to 
>>>>>> help stay afloat next year.  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good luck with the hunt!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Matt in Oswego, IL 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, August 10, 2021 at 1:24:17 PM UTC-5 Matthew P wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello RBW bunch,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm looking to buy a Rivendell hat.
>>>>>>> Used or unused. Baseball style or cycling style.
>>>>>>> All offers appreciated.
>>>>>>> Are you planning on buying one of the Riv - Blue Lug hats? Pass on 
>>>>>>> your old one to me :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>> -Matthew
>>>>>>> in San Diego hoping to finish my Atlantis by Thursday to ride it on 
>>>>>>> my birthday! :D
>>>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Nexave Rear Der

[Matthew P]

Ignoring Sram because I am unfamiliar, and a road vs. mtb/mtn difference, 
lets say within Shimano mtb/mtn freehub bodies and cassettes, the widths 
are the same 8 speed through 12 speed. Double check me 
here: https://www.sheldonbrown.com/speeds.html So a rear derailer has to 
travel the same distance inboard-outboard-wise for 8-12 speeds, staying 
within the confines of friction shifting. So is the only other concern how 
big of a cog you have on the cassette and whether the rear derailer can 
clear it (and if not, wolf tooth road link or similar, right?). Maybe cage 
length (and pulley wheel size?) also matter(s) if bigger cogs and wider 
gear range  = longer/more chain to take up?
-Matthew 
San Diego

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> Tom
> I run my Altus with 12 x 36 9 speed on my Plattypus using Micro shift 9 
> speed shifter on index. Front : Silver Wide/ low double 38× 24.
>
> On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 10:45 AM Tom Wyland  wrote:
>
>> Pardon the dumb question, but can an Altus 8 speed rear der work with a 9 
>> speed on friction shift?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tom "still doesn't know much about shifting" Wyland
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[RBW] Re: FS: RBW Orange Hat

[Matthew P]

I'd love to have it!
-Matthew

On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 11:03:01 AM UTC-7 Paul Choi wrote:

> This was purchased new from Rivendell and worn once. As new. $40 shipped 
> conus. PayPal ff. Local pickup is fine if you are local. I'm in Santa 
> Clara. 
>
> Cheers,
> Paul
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Riv Hat

[Matthew P]

Thanks Matt. 
I agree with you. A Riv bucket hat would be cool and yes those orange 
ballcaps look fantastic! Anyone got one to let go!?

Thank you Roberta for the nice offer. 
I picked up a baseball cap from Joe Bernard (thank you) so I will let 
another list member (Patrick or jrst...@gmail.com ?) snatch up your cap.

Cool links Garth.

Lets keep the cap circulation going.
-Matthew

On Wednesday, August 11, 2021 at 7:51:50 AM UTC-7 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

> Roberta, if no other takers and if the ekastic is good I’ll take it, but 
> let OP have first shot.  
>
> On Tuesday, August 10, 2021 at 9:03:44 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>
>> I have one I’m pretty sure unworn. Cycling cap. It looks like this but 
>> Homer blue ( the darker Homer). It’s in my house somewhere in a box. If 
>> you’re interested, I’ll find it and get you pics. House is non smoking and 
>> no pets. 
>>
>> https://www.pinterest.jp/pin/377528381248306877/
>>
>> Roberta
>> On Tuesday, August 10, 2021 at 4:03:35 PM UTC-4 Matt Beecher wrote:
>>
>>> They did a nice run of hats a couple years ago.  I picked up a bucket 
>>> hat, 2nd hand.  I really wanted one of the traditional baseball style 
>>> hats.  I seem to recall a nice looking orange one.
>>>
>>> I have a green baseball cap, but quality does not seem quite as nice as 
>>> the Blue Lug or the ones I missed out on.  I'm hopeful there will be a 
>>> higher end hat offering coming up while they are looking for something to 
>>> help stay afloat next year.  
>>>
>>> Good luck with the hunt!
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Matt in Oswego, IL 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 10, 2021 at 1:24:17 PM UTC-5 Matthew P wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello RBW bunch,
>>>>
>>>> I'm looking to buy a Rivendell hat.
>>>> Used or unused. Baseball style or cycling style.
>>>> All offers appreciated.
>>>> Are you planning on buying one of the Riv - Blue Lug hats? Pass on your 
>>>> old one to me :)
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>> -Matthew
>>>> in San Diego hoping to finish my Atlantis by Thursday to ride it on my 
>>>> birthday! :D
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Nexave Rear Der

[Matthew P]

I think the derailer looks interesting and I thought about buying one, but 
not for $132 or whatever.
I am fine with them buying up the whole lot.
If they charged what they did for them because they need money, I 
understand, but still wish they decided to make money another way, like 
sell more hats that are sold out and will sell out again ;)
If they charged what they did following the mentality of "there are only a 
few derailers so we must raise the barrier to them" then I wish they 
limited access to them based on some other criterion. Their approach is in 
favor of people with more money having greater access, which is very much 
in line with how the world works.
But it doesn't seem very Riv-ish. 
I understand their ethos of "you don't need a $100 derailer; the $30 works 
just fine".
But what am I to make of "use the $30 derailer that we're selling for 
$130"? Again, seems in conflict with their own approach.

This is not intended to be a harsh criticism; this little thing is just 
that: minor.

I wish they kept them all for Riv builds or only sold them in-person or 
based on how old your Riv account is or something like that.

Thanks for the tip Laing.

I guess now I should just go ahead and buy the derailer I was looking at on 
ebay that sold for $50 and there's maybe one available for $60. Or try to 
hold strong to the parts bin approach.

Good call on this post Bill. 

-Matthew
using friction when indexing has gone south, thinking about going south too 
and just using friction
in San Diego

On Tuesday, August 10, 2021 at 2:11:20 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I know that regret for not buying up more instances of a good cheap part.  
>
> I have a stockpile of short cage XT rapid rise RDs, and will content 
> myself with those.  They don't have the super sweet big pulleys though.  On 
> the big pulley front I have two Altus RDs, which were practically free and 
> shift incredibly well, but those are not rapid rise.  I also have one of 
> the RDs that Rivendell sold briefly that also has big pulleys like the 
> Altus, is not rapid rise and is maybe one or two steps up from Altus, so it 
> has a little bit more alloy construction and a little less stamped steel 
> and plastic.  I don't remember what made-up word is on printed on it.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 10, 2021 at 2:03:00 PM UTC-7 J Imler wrote:
>
>> Bought one on eBay 6 months ago. It’s on my cargo bike. I now regret not 
>> buying more.
>> On Tuesday, August 10, 2021 at 1:44:10 PM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> I looked at them on Saturday morning and thought about it. A few hours 
>>> later I looked again and they were gone. I will have to be content with my 
>>> 4 silver Shimano Altus RD-M310s (which can still be had on eBay).
>>>
>>> Laing
>>> Delray Beach FL
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 10, 2021 at 4:03:28 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 I love Rivendell's power move on Nexave Rear Ders.  They identified the 
 super ultimate rear der, consistent with their own long held beliefs about 
 RDs, found 132 of them, paid $45 apiece for them and sold 22 of them for 
 $132 each.  So they paid $6000 for 132 derailers and sold exactly 
 one-sixth 
 of them for almost $3000.  I think that's brilliant.  When you are a small 
 influencer and can influence a few people, parlay that influence!  

 Who all got one?  I'd run one with pride.  I think short cage rapid 
 rise RDs are great on friction shifting bikes.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

>>>

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[RBW] WTB: Riv Hat

[Matthew P]

Hello RBW bunch,

I'm looking to buy a Rivendell hat.
Used or unused. Baseball style or cycling style.
All offers appreciated.
Are you planning on buying one of the Riv - Blue Lug hats? Pass on your old 
one to me :)

Thank you.
-Matthew
in San Diego hoping to finish my Atlantis by Thursday to ride it on my 
birthday! :D

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: 61cm Toyo Atlantis

[Matthew P]

I sold a near-pristine 56 cm Waterford Atlantis because it was too small, 
but I didn't sell it until after I got a 58 cm Toyo to replace it.
Grant said Toyo is 87 points and Waterford is 100, or something like that.
I like the Toyo's curved chainstays. They're at least an additional 13 
points to me :)
Almost done with the Toyo build. I better try that longer spindle soon; the 
last piece of the puzzle.
-Matthew P
San Diego

On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 11:28:46 AM UTC-7 E. Ricky Creek wrote:

> I have a 58cm Waterford Atlantis. My wife has instructions not to sell it 
> for at least 10 years after my death in case I rise from the grave and want 
> to do some zombie cyclotouring.
>
> I hope you find the 61cm you are looking for.
>
> On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 12:06:15 PM UTC-5 Sky Coulter wrote:
>
>> My 61cm  toyo is the first bike i’ve been certain i’ll never sell. Such a 
>> great bike. I’d actually buy a backup frame if i could.
>>
>> Sky in new west
>>
>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 9:20 AM, Matt Beecher  wrote:
>>
>> If you spot a 58 that is reasonably priced and structurally sound, I 
>> would consider selling my 61cm Toyo.  
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Matt
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 1:03:47 AM UTC-5 brenpe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Everyone, 
>>>
>>> I know this one is a stretch but I figured this is where I would start 
>>> on my journey to find the “Dream Riv”. I currently own a 2018 59cm Atlantis 
>>> and love it ! My first love has always been the Toyo Atlantis 2 61 cm so 
>>> any leads or anyone possibly looking to sell ? Ideally frame and fork would 
>>> be awesome but if it’s a build I can part out is cool too! 
>>>
>>> Thanks y’all ! 
>>>
>>> Bren 
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[RBW] Re: Toyo Atlantis- Classic frame, New build

[Matthew P]

Awesome John.
Neat crankset. I'm almost done building up my Toyo Atlantis.
I'm insisting on using a double crankset and the curved chainstays get wide 
real quick.
I love them, but they make it hard to fit the double, with the inner ring 
being 30T instead of 24T or 26T on a triple. 
123 mm axle was still not wide enough, so I'm looking for a wider axle.
I love seeing the Toyo Atlantii. Enjoy!
-Matthew, San Diego, CA

On Wednesday, July 7, 2021 at 8:25:19 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:

> It’s beautiful but the fabulous ride is what is most important. Many happy 
> miles to you and Atlantis. 
>
> On Wednesday, July 7, 2021 at 10:08:25 PM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Several months ago, a gentleman named NC Tom passed along a beautiful 
>> 64cm Toyo Atlantis to me. As I was in Japan at the time, the frame, 
>> expertly packed and shipped, waited for me at my Dad's place. 
>>
>> It is now summer in BC and the frame is now a full-fledged bike, built 
>> mostly from parts laying around or 'borrowed' from my '94 Yeti ARC. I did 
>> pick up a new rack and seatpost at BlueLug in Hatagaya before leaving 
>> Japan, and I built some new wheels with some 25-year old Chris King hubs 
>> that sing like the day I got 'em. The ride is zippy, nimble, responsive, 
>> but most of all super comfortable. The paint is pristine and there are some 
>> exquisite details from the craftsmen at Toyo. A lovely Riv, indeed.
>>
>> Cheers to NC Tom!
>>
>> [image: ToyoAtlantis2005.jpeg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: a worthy Bombadil is back on the road at long last...

[Matthew P]

I see! Thank you Willet!
-Matthew
San Diego

On Tuesday, June 29, 2021 at 8:40:39 PM UTC-7 WilletM wrote:

>
> The posting for the threadless version of the contemporary Nitto bullmoose 
> bar/stem that's on the RBW website specifies that the finish on the 
> fillet-brazed version is a dull bright nickel-plated finish over the CrMo 
> steel.  This is the version that I have on the Bombadil pictured above.  
> The fillet brazing on bicycle frames or bar/stems or racks, etc, results in 
> a smooth finish that makes one tube seemingly flow into the other.  If the 
> resulting creation is left unfinished/un-plated, the brass "bead" is 
> typically visible encasing the fitted joint between the two tubes.  But on 
> this plated bar/stem, the fillet-brazed joint is covered up by the plating 
> and the brass is not visible.  Were it a tig-welded joint, the bead would 
> usually be basically the same color as the adjoining tubes and it would 
> also have some degree of texture from the welding process that sort of 
> resembles a stack of dimes or a segmented worm (for lack of a better 
> analogy).  How much texture (and how neat and how uniform) there is depends 
> a great deal on the skill of the welder and whether there was any finishing 
> work after the welding to dress up the joint.
>
> I'm certainly no expert on such things but I do have several fillet-brazed 
> bicycles currently.  If anyone has more precise info than I mentioned 
> above, please feel free to chime in with corrections.
>
> Willet M.
> Carbondale, CO
>
> On Tuesday, June 29, 2021 at 5:48:36 PM UTC-6 Matthew P wrote:
>
>> Hi Dorothy,
>> I think mine is the fillet version because of the big broad weld. I think 
>> TIG welds have far less material in the joints, but I could be wrong.
>> Here on the fillet version product page:
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/handlebars/products/nitto-bullmoose-bar-dull-bright-fillet-brazed-150mm-16194
>> it looks like there are two versions of the fillet...version: one showing 
>> the fillet brazing and another that must have a layer on top of it.
>> Or, something else, which is likely, because, again, I don't know this 
>> stuff well. Did they chrome(ish) dip some of them?
>> Perhaps material for another post/thread...or maybe there already was one.
>> Sorry for the thread drift.
>> -Matthew
>> San Diego
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 29, 2021 at 3:47:52 PM UTC-7 Dorothy C wrote:
>>
>>> Matthew, Riv have done two versions of their Bullmoose bar - a TIG 
>>> welded (which I have) and the fillet brazed which definitely shows the 
>>> beautiful brass tone round the joints. Is it possible you have the TIG 
>>> version?
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 29, 2021 at 2:42:23 PM UTC-7 Matthew P wrote:
>>>
>>>> Awesome bike. I like salmon-y paint. I'm in the "I like Bombadils and 
>>>> Hunqs and any other Riv that fits 2" wide tires but I've only ridden an 
>>>> Atlantis" club.
>>>> I'm almost done with my Toyo Atlantis. One of my most desired bikes. 
>>>> Lucky to score it from Karl on this list.
>>>> Thank you for the details on the fender work. Impressive, and a 
>>>> reference. I fear tackling such a job, as it seems like one shot and I 
>>>> doubt I'd hit the nail on the head.
>>>> I have a Riv bullmoose bar. It doesn't show the fillet brazing. I wish 
>>>> it did. But its under there. I assume there is no logical way to remove a 
>>>> layer or something to let it show.
>>>> Thanks for sharing.
>>>> -Matthew
>>>> San Diego, CA
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 7:19:50 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 51cm gray/kidney bean Hunq for me, which makes *no *sense because my 
>>>>> custom has a brighter version of that paintjob and does every single 
>>>>> thing 
>>>>> a Hunqapillar would do. I want one anyway! 藍
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 6:10:15 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Willet - oh wow, glad I could be of help! Other than misleading you 
>>>>>> into thinking the 65's would fit, now you're a cautionary tale for me if 
>>>>>> I 
>>>>>> ever need to replace my fenders haha.. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris - Ha, I feel that way about the 53cm 650B Hunq.. I guess the 
>>>>>> grass is always greener!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 28, 

Re: [RBW] Re: a worthy Bombadil is back on the road at long last...

[Matthew P]

Hi Dorothy,
I think mine is the fillet version because of the big broad weld. I think 
TIG welds have far less material in the joints, but I could be wrong.
Here on the fillet version product page:
https://www.rivbike.com/collections/handlebars/products/nitto-bullmoose-bar-dull-bright-fillet-brazed-150mm-16194
it looks like there are two versions of the fillet...version: one showing 
the fillet brazing and another that must have a layer on top of it.
Or, something else, which is likely, because, again, I don't know this 
stuff well. Did they chrome(ish) dip some of them?
Perhaps material for another post/thread...or maybe there already was one.
Sorry for the thread drift.
-Matthew
San Diego

On Tuesday, June 29, 2021 at 3:47:52 PM UTC-7 Dorothy C wrote:

> Matthew, Riv have done two versions of their Bullmoose bar - a TIG welded 
> (which I have) and the fillet brazed which definitely shows the beautiful 
> brass tone round the joints. Is it possible you have the TIG version?
>
> On Tuesday, June 29, 2021 at 2:42:23 PM UTC-7 Matthew P wrote:
>
>> Awesome bike. I like salmon-y paint. I'm in the "I like Bombadils and 
>> Hunqs and any other Riv that fits 2" wide tires but I've only ridden an 
>> Atlantis" club.
>> I'm almost done with my Toyo Atlantis. One of my most desired bikes. 
>> Lucky to score it from Karl on this list.
>> Thank you for the details on the fender work. Impressive, and a 
>> reference. I fear tackling such a job, as it seems like one shot and I 
>> doubt I'd hit the nail on the head.
>> I have a Riv bullmoose bar. It doesn't show the fillet brazing. I wish it 
>> did. But its under there. I assume there is no logical way to remove a 
>> layer or something to let it show.
>> Thanks for sharing.
>> -Matthew
>> San Diego, CA
>>
>> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 7:19:50 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> 51cm gray/kidney bean Hunq for me, which makes *no *sense because my 
>>> custom has a brighter version of that paintjob and does every single thing 
>>> a Hunqapillar would do. I want one anyway! 藍
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 6:10:15 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
>>>> Willet - oh wow, glad I could be of help! Other than misleading you 
>>>> into thinking the 65's would fit, now you're a cautionary tale for me if I 
>>>> ever need to replace my fenders haha.. 
>>>>
>>>> Chris - Ha, I feel that way about the 53cm 650B Hunq.. I guess the 
>>>> grass is always greener!
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 5:03 PM 'WilletM' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Those fenders actually made it into the final build based on a 
>>>>> suggestion that you (Jason) gave me many months ago as I was 
>>>>> contemplating 
>>>>> which direction to go with the frameset.  I eventually decided to go "all 
>>>>> silver" or as close to it as I could possibly get, and the Flat 65's from 
>>>>> Simworks were a good match for the 29x2.1 tires that I was planning on 
>>>>> using.  They ended up being perfect for the tires, and they didn't take 
>>>>> up 
>>>>> much room vertically either.  But both front and back fenders were too 
>>>>> wide 
>>>>> for the fork blades and seat stays, so I did have to notch them pretty 
>>>>> significantly and then try to keep the notches aligned as I mounted 
>>>>> hardware to the fenders and then the fenders to the frame.  Somewhat 
>>>>> shockingly, the notches fit so closely and line up so perfectly that it's 
>>>>> hard to tell they've been modified without shining a flashlight on it.  
>>>>>
>>>>> At $167 shipped for the fenders, I was HIGHLY motivated to get it 
>>>>> right the first time!
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks again for your helpful suggestions over the winter.  I still 
>>>>> have the Proto-Bombadil built up and it fits my short-legs-long-torso 
>>>>> dimensions better than this one does (mostly due to a different bar/stem 
>>>>> choice).  So this one is for Show and the Protovelo is for Go.  I 
>>>>> couldn't 
>>>>> be happier or more proud of both, as they were bucket list items for a 
>>>>> number of years before I somehow lucked into getting both of them as 
>>>>> framesets within less than a year of each other.
>>>>>
>>>>> Willet M.

Re: [RBW] Re: a worthy Bombadil is back on the road at long last...

[Matthew P]

Awesome bike. I like salmon-y paint. I'm in the "I like Bombadils and Hunqs 
and any other Riv that fits 2" wide tires but I've only ridden an Atlantis" 
club.
I'm almost done with my Toyo Atlantis. One of my most desired bikes. Lucky 
to score it from Karl on this list.
Thank you for the details on the fender work. Impressive, and a reference. 
I fear tackling such a job, as it seems like one shot and I doubt I'd hit 
the nail on the head.
I have a Riv bullmoose bar. It doesn't show the fillet brazing. I wish it 
did. But its under there. I assume there is no logical way to remove a 
layer or something to let it show.
Thanks for sharing.
-Matthew
San Diego, CA

On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 7:19:50 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> 51cm gray/kidney bean Hunq for me, which makes *no *sense because my 
> custom has a brighter version of that paintjob and does every single thing 
> a Hunqapillar would do. I want one anyway! 藍
>
>
>
> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 6:10:15 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Willet - oh wow, glad I could be of help! Other than misleading you into 
>> thinking the 65's would fit, now you're a cautionary tale for me if I ever 
>> need to replace my fenders haha.. 
>>
>> Chris - Ha, I feel that way about the 53cm 650B Hunq.. I guess the grass 
>> is always greener!
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 5:03 PM 'WilletM' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Those fenders actually made it into the final build based on a 
>>> suggestion that you (Jason) gave me many months ago as I was contemplating 
>>> which direction to go with the frameset.  I eventually decided to go "all 
>>> silver" or as close to it as I could possibly get, and the Flat 65's from 
>>> Simworks were a good match for the 29x2.1 tires that I was planning on 
>>> using.  They ended up being perfect for the tires, and they didn't take up 
>>> much room vertically either.  But both front and back fenders were too wide 
>>> for the fork blades and seat stays, so I did have to notch them pretty 
>>> significantly and then try to keep the notches aligned as I mounted 
>>> hardware to the fenders and then the fenders to the frame.  Somewhat 
>>> shockingly, the notches fit so closely and line up so perfectly that it's 
>>> hard to tell they've been modified without shining a flashlight on it.  
>>>
>>> At $167 shipped for the fenders, I was HIGHLY motivated to get it right 
>>> the first time!
>>>
>>> Thanks again for your helpful suggestions over the winter.  I still have 
>>> the Proto-Bombadil built up and it fits my short-legs-long-torso dimensions 
>>> better than this one does (mostly due to a different bar/stem choice).  So 
>>> this one is for Show and the Protovelo is for Go.  I couldn't be happier or 
>>> more proud of both, as they were bucket list items for a number of years 
>>> before I somehow lucked into getting both of them as framesets within less 
>>> than a year of each other.
>>>
>>> Willet M.
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 11:42:31 AM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 Wow, that thing is gorgeous.  Nice build!!  I love the unique color. 
 Looks salmon to me. Still undecided whether I'll invest in a paintjob for 
 mine!  And yeah I wouldn't have even considered the threadless bullmoose 
 despite being well aware of the existence of said adapter, and it looks as 
 clean as a quill version would have.  

 On Sunday, 27 June 2021 at 20:05:37 UTC-7 WilletM wrote:

>
> I'm happy to report that the 
> non-creamsicle-but-still-pretty-dang-orange-y Bombadil frame that I 
> bought 
> here last September from Jamison B. is all built up and ready to do a 
> little Bombadilling (thanks for that, Jason!) in the Rocky Mountains of 
> western Colorado.  Though it's destined to be more of a show pony than a 
> workhorse like Jason's rig, I did do a fairly premium build on this one 
> that I'm sure would hold up for rigorous off-roading or even moderate 
> bikepacking if only my legs were a little longer.  
>
> Particularly noteworthy on this build are the lovely fillet-and-nickel 
> Nitto bullmoose bars, which turned out a lot better than I was expecting 
> given that I used a quill-to-threadless adapter to mate the 1" threaded 
> steerer to the 1 1/8" threadless bar/stem combo.  I also ended up pretty 
> thrilled with the wheelset, which Peter White built up with custom 
> Velocity 
> Cliffhangers (silver anodized with machined sidewalls) laced up to a 
> polished Phil Wood cassette hub in back and a special "Peter White 
> Cycles" 
> edition SONdelux Wide Body dynamo hub up front.  Other parts include 
> Sugino 
> cranks and seatpost, Brooks Alpe D'Huez saddle, Schmidt Edelux2 
> headlight, 
> SimWorks/Honjo fenders, Paul Neo-Retro's and Love Levers, etc, etc.  It 
> was 
> NOT, very frankly, an inexpensive build.
>
> On the bright side, it did 

[RBW] Re: FS: Bars, Bagstuff, Brooks, Cassette, Pedals, lock

[Matthew P]

I'll take the Brooks, cassette, pedals, and lock.
-Matthew
San Diego

On Friday, June 25, 2021 at 4:02:47 PM UTC-7 Drw wrote:

> Some random stuff for sale. Most of these were experiments that i 
> abandoned or moved on from, so everything is in pretty great shape. Most 
> items will require additional money for shipping, aside from the under 1lb 
> things. Paypal friends and family preferred. 
>
> *-Spank Flare 25% bars*- mounted once, but never ridden. has a little 
> scratch from the brakes, but otherwise brand new. has vibrocore inside. 
> 31.8. info HERE 
> .
>   
> 80$ + shipping
>
> *-Soma Osprey bars*- lightly used. some shellacked tape I left on because 
> its still in good shape too. similar shape to the jones bars or map/ahearne 
> bars. 31.8  30$ + shipping
>
> *-Carradice bagman expedition*- catch and release on this one. good 
> shape. this is the qr version for larger saddlebags. comes with original 
> zip ties. 60$+ shipping
>
> *-Brooks conquest all terrain saddle-* b17 shape but sprung. similar to a 
> flyer, but with copper rivets and the thicker leather. good condition, 
> still not fully broken in. leather is very good shape, though there are 
> some scuffs here and there. 95$+ shipping
>
> *-Green Guru upshift frame bag-* keep thinking ill get on board with 
> frame bags, but it never works. Used one time maybe. couple small marks on 
> one side from sitting around. MUSA.  info HERE 
> .  
> 30$ shipped.
>
> *-Sunrace 9 speed cassette*- probably 150 miles on it. 11-40t. 
> 20$+shipping
>
> *-VP bear trap style pedals*- newish- 15$ shipped
>
> *-Kryptonite evolution u-lock-* this is a couple years old. comes with 2 
> keys but not a frame mount. 20$+ shipping
>
> Thanks,
> Drew, LA
>
>
> [image: IMG_6332.jpg]
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Trek 510/Fun with paint pens

[Matthew P]

Awesome bike and awesome paint. Everyone, zoom in to see the speckles.
I was considering polka dots. Any lessons learned?
Wow, your coverage is so even and the dots are so small. 
Took a while? Any tricks to speed it up or be even?
Thanks for sharing.
-Matthew P
San Diego, CA

On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 10:57:13 PM UTC-7 exliontamer wrote:

> Just wanted to show one of my favorite bikes off. It's an '81 Trek 510 
> frame that I had canti-posts and a few other things added to. I know this 
> isn't full Riv taste, what with the carbon Ultegra indexed levers and all 
> and the black components, but it visually works to me somehow AND it feels 
> ridiculously good.
> Those are 42mm 650b tires in there. The 650b conversion thing died down 
> years ago but I'd really recommend these frames for anyone looking for an 
> affordable older road bike that has clearance when you convert it. The long 
> reach Tektro side pulls even make canti conversion unnecessary. All that 
> said it's one of the best riding bikes I've ever been on and having a 91cm 
> PBH with a short torso can make finding older bikes hard but Treks geometry 
> at that time was incredibly well thought out from size to size. It's such a 
> different company now but that's a whole different topic. 
> Anyhow, I went to town with some paint pens which I'd encourage anyone to 
> do if you have an old beater. [image: IMG_2948.jpg]
>

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[RBW] Re: Front derailers that won't friction shift

[Matthew P]

Neat. 

But Benz,
  
How does the stop help? By the time the lever reaches the position, either 
it has pulled enough cable for the desired shift or not. Just because I 
stop it doesn't mean I've achieved my shift. I write this being well sure 
you are right and I am missing something.

180 degrees shouldn't affect the home position, right, because where the 
lever centers is separate from how much throw it needs to shift through the 
whole casette, or no? Ah, but the stop you linked to sets the home position?
But/also if you are saying 120 degrees is what you find comfortable, then I 
get that. Although I am confused as to why it is desirable to shift both 
downtube levers with the same hand. Ah, I get it; its because I'm holding 
my burrito in my other hand :-D

The 120 degrees calls to mind a hack from someone on this list to and a 
strip of brass on the shifter, thereby increasing its diameter and cable 
pull (pull ratio = linear cable moved per degrees moved of the lever, no?). 
I think I prefer more throw/degrees, bc it means wider degree ranges for 
each cog/shift/sweetspot. But the idea is a good one. If the "spool" the 
cable wraps onto could be adjustable or swappable, and there were no stops 
or adjustable stops, then we could set our desired pull/-ratio and total 
degree throw, no? Forget about indexing though I assume. 

Anyways, I'm complicating things. But nice to discuss and understand and 
fiddle.

Thanks
-Matthew
San Diego


On Saturday, May 29, 2021 at 10:07:24 AM UTC-7 Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA 
wrote:

> On Saturday, May 29, 2021 at 8:33:18 AM UTC-7 RichS wrote:
>
>> Couple things in Will's post that stood out for me:
>>
>> 1. Will said he wasn't happy with the way a Claris front derailer 
>> friction shifted. I've used the Claris in double and triple configurations, 
>> friction shifted (bar ends), 8 speed without any problems. Maybe I missing 
>> out on something by not using a different der? I have a Suntour ARX on the 
>> way so. . .
>>
>
> Do you have the same version? Shimano reuses the same model name to 
> differentiate their lineup, even if the actual derailleurs themselves have 
> changed quite a bit throughout the years. For example, the 8-speed XTR from 
> the 90s is a completely different beast than the Di2 XTR of today.
>
> From visually examining the Claris called out in Will's email, it appears 
> the incompatibility is due to cable pull. A longer arm will require more 
> cable to move the cage the same distance, all things being equal. This 
> won't matter at all for dedicated shifters (regardless of whether they're 
> indexed), but friction shifters are generally designed for compatibility 
> with older derailleurs, meaning they won't pull as much total cable as is 
> required for the most current derailleurs.
>
> Examples of these are the 11 and 12-speed derailleurs, or SRAM's 1:1 
> actuation ratio derailleurs. Traditional friction shifters either can't 
> pull enough, or pull barely enough cable to run the modern rear 
> derailleurs. The same logic applies to front derailleurs with longer cable 
> pull requirements.
>
>  
>
>> 2. Wonder what the forthcoming "good" friction shifting derailers will be?
>>
>
> For me, ironically, good friction derailleurs will need to be matched to 
> the cable pull capacity of the friction shifter. Yes, I understand the 
> match doesn't need to be exact, like for indexed shifting; but one still 
> needs to get the match close for best effect. For the rear, that means a 
> 120° swing of the (downtube) friction shift lever should result in a 41mm 
> lateral displacement of the guide pulley on the rear derailleur (41mm is 
> about the width of a 11-speed cassette). For the front, the same 120° swing 
> of the shift lever should result in about a 16mm lateral displacement of 
> the front derailleur cage, to accommodate a typical triple crank.
>
> Why limit the effective swing of the friction shifter to 120°, and not, 
> let's say 150° or even 180°? Read on.
>
> I want to put in a plug for optionally setting the travel stop of downtube 
> shifters about 30° from parallel with the downtube. In other words, I'll 
> like the shifter's "home position" to be just slightly raised from being 
> parallel with the downtube. Using this design for the left shifter will 
> enable easy actuation of both levers with just the right hand for 
> right-handed cyclists, and using this design for the right shifter will do 
> the same for left-handed cyclists. To enable such a design means ensuring 
> the shifter pulls enough cable within a narrow angle of travel, so the 
> proposed 120°.
>
> Interestingly, I haven't tried this yet, but it appears that getting a 
> second set of downtube stop washer 
> 
>  
> from Rivbike and using the "opposite" one will allow this 30° offset, so we 
> may not even need any extra SKUs.
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[RBW] Re: Platy front derailleur with Riv wide-low double (39x28)?

[Matthew P]

I'm finding this thread more helpful than expected.

I wanted to add this in order to simplify:

"Front derailers don't generally care how many gears you have in back, 
though models designated for higher numbers of speeds may have slightly 
narrower cages , so they might be a bit more fussy in adjustment/trim when 
used with wider chains."
- sheldonbrown.com/speeds.html

If people have found exceptions to that rule I would be happy to hear them 
- would be good to know.

Double or triple cranks/rings vs. double or triple FD simplifies when 
you're friction shifting up front, which is even easier than in the back.
Then you just gotta see about the reach/throw of the FD.
Good catch on spindle length part of this equation! And I see how the bash 
guard kind of confuses things with setting the FD height.

I'm setting up a FD on a Toyo Atlantis. Of course all 3 FDs I have are all 
31.8 mm clamps. I'll shim.
Thinking about puttin a lever right on the FD.
Back end of the cage was looking close to hitting the chainstay on first 
mock-up. Might need a shorter cage. Nicely shown by Laing.

Joe that is awesome you offered up a FD, a campy at that. If it doesn't 
work for Tom, I'd gladly buy it off you for a campy build in the q. Or feel 
free to tell me to stop swooping on parts :)

Nice work group.
-Matthew
San Diego

On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 6:17:13 AM UTC-7 Tom Wyland wrote:

> I'm going to try one of Joe's vintage derailleurs next.  Stay tuned. 
> Thanks, Joe for the parts connection and the offer to help!  
>
> Tom
>  
>
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 9:27:10 AM UTC-4 Tom Wyland wrote:
>>
>>> OK, I'm still struggling to find a FD.  I tried a Microsoft R9 and that 
>>> didn't seem to work.  The local bike shop said 10 speed won't work with 9 
>>> speed (which is all they had).  I'm running friction. 
>>>
>>> Leah was nice enough to show how her older Deore (9 speed triple 
>>> mountain?) was set up. Has anyone purchased a FD that works for them?  I'm 
>>> having a hard time with all of the different variations (on ebay) or the 
>>> myriad of 10-speed triples new.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] big Atlantis-like bike

[Matthew P]

I like the double top tubes, even on not-super-large bikes that may or may 
not need them, like Jason's Bombadil (love it).
I also like the Hunq diagatube, even if it would require 2 frame bags 
instead of 1 (but could be a good thing - separate the water bladder(s) 
from the rest).
-Matthew
San Diego / Kumeyaay land

On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 2:39:40 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> That was Eric Floden. I just voiced my appreciation.
>
> On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 8:16 AM Donald Jewell  wrote:
>
>> Hi Patrick,
>> Thanks for finding my pinkbike listing for my 64cm Renovelo Atlantis and 
>> posting it here. I've had Rivendells since 2006 but just stumbled upon this 
>> Riv owners group. Over the years I've built an AHH, both orange and green 
>> Quickbeams, an Yves Gomez and this Atlantis for myself. I also built a 
>> Betty Foy for my daughter, a AHH and a Cheviot for one girlfriend and a 
>> Clem for another.
>>
>> I hear you on the double top tube look of the big Rivs. They're 
>> definitely not as elegant as a single top tube but I wonder what the buyers 
>> of big single tube bikes that came apart would say about that issue. Oh and 
>> thanks for the tip on the gen hub wiring. 
>> Don Jewell
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 5:01:31 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I can't say that I like double top tubes even on big frames, but this is 
>>> still a very pretty bike -- tho' the owner could spiff up the dynamo wiring 
>>> along the fork leg.
>>>
>>> Patrick "60 X 56 c-c, single top tube" Moore
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 3:51 PM Eric Floden  wrote:
>>>
 No connection with seller in Boise

 https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/3054321/

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pseudo-Rivendell Thread?

[Matthew P]

Johnny, thanks for the link. And Michael, thanks for the feedback. 
This clarifies things. Sounds like the biggest downfall of the bike was 
just the 26" wheel size, and is only a downfall in terms of acceptance and 
not in performance.
Its sad to think that a market preference for 700c wheels, with skinny 
tires, "killed" 26" bikes like the Rock Combo.
Something like the visionaries having to follow the blind.
I'll tack some on to my question in my previous post: desired allrounder 
bikes of yore - 
- Rock Combo
- XO-1
- MB-1 and MB-0 ?
- Hunqapillar
Happy to see additions or subtractions to/from this list.
@kevs_bikes and @sfbiketrader have some interesting ones on Instagram.

On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 4:53:51 AM UTC-7 Michael Iauch wrote:

> thanks for that link johnny. matthew -  mine does have some pretty shoddy 
> tig - seat tube connection has a hole. The BB height did seem excessively 
> low when I first jumped on it, but surprisingly I haven't had too much 
> issue out riding, even on some pretty rough trail. And that is pretty much 
> what I ride it on - rougher mixed terrain rides. It has that magic feel. 
> Would love to have a Rivendell to compare it to!
>
> On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 3:19:51 AM UTC-4 john...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> @Matthew P
>>
>> Here's a slightly more detailed version of the criticism of the Rock 
>> Combo, seems like Bryan Bainbridge was unhappy
>> that the factory that made them changed the BB drop and the tubing spec 
>> (the comment at the bottom of the page is from BB himself):
>>
>>
>> http://2wheelfetish.blogspot.com/2012/04/drop-bar-mountain-bike-redux-vintage.html
>>
>> I still love the Rock Combo concept and design though. 
>>
>> Johnny in Belgium
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, 10 May 2021 at 18:43:18 UTC+2 Matthew P wrote:
>>
>>> I love this thread.
>>> And I like Liam's RockCombo on the Radavist 
>>> https://theradavist.com/2021/02/liams-specialized-rock-combo-bikepacking-rig/
>>> But I thought it interesting and funny that they went and asked the bike 
>>> designer (or one of them), Bryant Bainbridge, and he basically trashed it!
>>> Thoughts?
>>> Any other particularly coveted bikes of yore, and why?
>>> Thanks.
>>> -Matthew
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 9:33:59 AM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
>>>> Meanwhile this group is full of folks with Rivendells who lust after a 
>>>> Rock Combo    beauty collection, that 615 is amazing too 
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, 10 May 2021 at 08:34:17 UTC-7 Michael Iauch wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Im in the same category Clayton! hope to get a rivendell at some 
>>>>> point. until then - saracen conquest 650b, miyata 615, specialized rock 
>>>>> combo.
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael 
>>>>> Boone, NC.
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: 804F00C5-FD25-4907-BD37-23C5CD513C4B_1_105_c.jpeg][image: 
>>>>> 6C3B2396-11F8-4B6F-99BD-1F399F91C96D_1_105_c.jpeg][image: 
>>>>> 3E13D09B-31DC-4501-BC22-F41A43CE54D0_1_105_c.jpeg]
>>>>> On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 11:21:07 AM UTC-4 Jim Bronson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> What brakes did you use on your Raleigh to convert from 27" to 700c 
>>>>>> rims?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, May 10, 2021, 09:29 Bob Ehrenbeck  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do own a Riv (a 52 Clem H, purchased as a frame during the 
>>>>>>> original pre-sale), but it's been built up as an MTB, so it doesn't 
>>>>>>> really 
>>>>>>> have that classic Rivendell look. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But I also have a 1981 Raleigh Super Record that's been reconfigured 
>>>>>>> over the years to look Riv-ish. It started out as a five-speed, 27" 
>>>>>>> drop-bar bike with stem shifters, but now it's got 700C rims, a 
>>>>>>> six-speed 
>>>>>>> freewheel, Albatross bars, Suntour Bar-Con shifters, Brooks B-17 
>>>>>>> saddle, 
>>>>>>> cork grips, VO fenders, Carradice Barley saddlebag, bell, etc. Since 
>>>>>>> this 
>>>>>>> photo was taken I've added a Mark's Rack in the rear. And after 
>>>>>>> swapping 
>>>>>>> out the crankset, seat post and other heavier parts, the only original 
>>>>>>> items left (aside from the frame) are the hubs, stem, derailleurs, and 
>

Re: [RBW] Re: Pseudo-Rivendell Thread?

[Matthew P]

I love this thread.
And I like Liam's RockCombo on the 
Radavist 
https://theradavist.com/2021/02/liams-specialized-rock-combo-bikepacking-rig/
But I thought it interesting and funny that they went and asked the bike 
designer (or one of them), Bryant Bainbridge, and he basically trashed it!
Thoughts?
Any other particularly coveted bikes of yore, and why?
Thanks.
-Matthew

On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 9:33:59 AM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Meanwhile this group is full of folks with Rivendells who lust after a 
> Rock Combo    beauty collection, that 615 is amazing too 
>
> On Monday, 10 May 2021 at 08:34:17 UTC-7 Michael Iauch wrote:
>
>> Im in the same category Clayton! hope to get a rivendell at some point. 
>> until then - saracen conquest 650b, miyata 615, specialized rock combo.
>>
>> Michael 
>> Boone, NC.
>>
>> [image: 804F00C5-FD25-4907-BD37-23C5CD513C4B_1_105_c.jpeg][image: 
>> 6C3B2396-11F8-4B6F-99BD-1F399F91C96D_1_105_c.jpeg][image: 
>> 3E13D09B-31DC-4501-BC22-F41A43CE54D0_1_105_c.jpeg]
>> On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 11:21:07 AM UTC-4 Jim Bronson wrote:
>>
>>> What brakes did you use on your Raleigh to convert from 27" to 700c rims?
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 10, 2021, 09:29 Bob Ehrenbeck  wrote:
>>>
 I do own a Riv (a 52 Clem H, purchased as a frame during the original 
 pre-sale), but it's been built up as an MTB, so it doesn't really have 
 that 
 classic Rivendell look. 

 But I also have a 1981 Raleigh Super Record that's been reconfigured 
 over the years to look Riv-ish. It started out as a five-speed, 27" 
 drop-bar bike with stem shifters, but now it's got 700C rims, a six-speed 
 freewheel, Albatross bars, Suntour Bar-Con shifters, Brooks B-17 saddle, 
 cork grips, VO fenders, Carradice Barley saddlebag, bell, etc. Since this 
 photo was taken I've added a Mark's Rack in the rear. And after swapping 
 out the crankset, seat post and other heavier parts, the only original 
 items left (aside from the frame) are the hubs, stem, derailleurs, and 
 brake calipers!

 Bob E
 Cranford, NJ[image: Raleigh Sandy Hook copy.jpg]
 On Saturday, May 8, 2021 at 5:10:33 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> That is pretty! And an extra gold star for the light mount.
>
>
> On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 11:19:58 PM UTC-4 Andrew Turner wrote:
>>
>>  ... Here's my '87 FW Evans back when it was doing double duty as a 
>> errands bike and quick road bike. It's much less sexy these days 
>> sporting 9 
>> speed bits, fenders, and sturdier rubber, and it's loving life as a 
>> designated commuter. I had a quick stint with a Roadini but otherwise 
>> I'm 
>> in a similar boat: blissfully watching from a distance at all these cool 
>> riv builds...but I'm also still very content with what used framesets 
>> have 
>> left to offer.
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: 2021-01-23.jpg]
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Tires/Small Parts - Nitto Struts, Frame Pumps, .

[Matthew P]

Could these be used in place of the lockring system on a cassette?
Replace the 11t ring with the threads and the lockring (or correct term) 
that threads into it?
(& use spacers if the smallest ring is smaller than 16t per the 
instructions)

On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 9:19:17 AM UTC-7 David B wrote:

> All that is left are the GearClamps. I'll cover shipping on those.
>
> 10. GearClamp - these: 
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/cassettes/products/gear-clamp-ss - 
> but a PAIR for $20 SHIPPED
>
> On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 11:24:36 PM UTC-5 David B wrote:
>
>> Doing a deep dive of garage cleaning - goal is to not have any extra 
>> parts - just what I need to maintain bikes I have (Clem, Redwood, 
>> Clementine).
>>
>> Prices below do NOT include shipping - which will be actual USPS costs 
>> from 60171.
>> Contact me off list if you have any questions.
>> Happy to do local pickup if you can pickup in River Grove, IL.
>> Photos upon request.
>> Thanks, 
>> David
>>
>> 1. Nitto Rack Struts - 12cm, pair, appear to be new - $6
>>
>> 2. Nitto Rack Struct - 18cm, pair, appear to be new - $8
>>
>> 3. Nitto Rack Struts - 39cm, pair, appear to be used, but are nice and 
>> straight - $14
>>
>> 4. Topeak Master Blast Frame Pump - size XL I think, 59cm length 
>> uncompressed, silver - I stripped off the logo and lightly polished the 
>> aluminum, used, some light dings - $15
>>
>> 5. Zefal HP-X-4 Frame Pump - black - 58cm length uncompressed, used - $10
>>
>> 6. Suntour Aero Road Brake Levers - came on my Redwood when I bought it 
>> used many years ago - these feel slightly different in hand than Shimano 
>> levers, feel more like a non-aero in a good way, I think they're an Alpha 
>> Cyclone series, if that existed - $25
>>
>> 7. Vee Rubber V12 Tires - 29 x 1.95, used, some tread wear, but lots of 
>> wear still left in them, had these on my Clem when it was setup as a kid 
>> hauler - $10 pair
>>
>> 8. Maxxis Ardent Tires - tan sidewalls, 29 x 2.4", I briefly swapped this 
>> in on my Clem for more rough stuff - $40
>>
>> 9. Panaracer Gravelking Slick Tires - 700c x 38mm, black, lightly used, 
>> had these on my Redwood before I finally committed to 650b - $50 pair
>>
>> 10. GearClamp - these: 
>> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/cassettes/products/gear-clamp-ss - 
>> but a PAIR for $20
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Tires/Small Parts - Nitto Struts, Frame Pumps, .

[Matthew P]

Hi David,
I've probably had too much coffee but I'm interested in taking the lot.
What could you do on a price for the whole bundle, to zip code 92103.
Sorry if this should have been off-list. Just thought this would be more 
direct than off-list plus a "PM sent"
-Matthew
building an Atlantis today in 92103

On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 9:24:36 PM UTC-7 David B wrote:

> Doing a deep dive of garage cleaning - goal is to not have any extra parts 
> - just what I need to maintain bikes I have (Clem, Redwood, Clementine).
>
> Prices below do NOT include shipping - which will be actual USPS costs 
> from 60171.
> Contact me off list if you have any questions.
> Happy to do local pickup if you can pickup in River Grove, IL.
> Photos upon request.
> Thanks, 
> David
>
> 1. Nitto Rack Struts - 12cm, pair, appear to be new - $6
>
> 2. Nitto Rack Struct - 18cm, pair, appear to be new - $8
>
> 3. Nitto Rack Struts - 39cm, pair, appear to be used, but are nice and 
> straight - $14
>
> 4. Topeak Master Blast Frame Pump - size XL I think, 59cm length 
> uncompressed, silver - I stripped off the logo and lightly polished the 
> aluminum, used, some light dings - $15
>
> 5. Zefal HP-X-4 Frame Pump - black - 58cm length uncompressed, used - $10
>
> 6. Suntour Aero Road Brake Levers - came on my Redwood when I bought it 
> used many years ago - these feel slightly different in hand than Shimano 
> levers, feel more like a non-aero in a good way, I think they're an Alpha 
> Cyclone series, if that existed - $25
>
> 7. Vee Rubber V12 Tires - 29 x 1.95, used, some tread wear, but lots of 
> wear still left in them, had these on my Clem when it was setup as a kid 
> hauler - $10 pair
>
> 8. Maxxis Ardent Tires - tan sidewalls, 29 x 2.4", I briefly swapped this 
> in on my Clem for more rough stuff - $40
>
> 9. Panaracer Gravelking Slick Tires - 700c x 38mm, black, lightly used, 
> had these on my Redwood before I finally committed to 650b - $50 pair
>
> 10. GearClamp - these: 
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/cassettes/products/gear-clamp-ss - 
> but a PAIR for $20
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pseudo-Rivendell Thread?

[Matthew P]

And those are awesome too Patrick!
I see cranks I don't know, lots o tire volume, and what a light mount!

On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 4:00:01 PM UTC-7 Matthew P wrote:

> Sorry Shawn! :)
>
> On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 3:00:17 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I've owned 5 Rivendells and still own 1. These other 2 bikes are 
>> Rivendell influenced and perhaps even Grant Peterseon inspired.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Pseudo-Rivendell Thread?

[Matthew P]

Sorry Shawn! :)

On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 3:00:17 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I've owned 5 Rivendells and still own 1. These other 2 bikes are Rivendell 
> influenced and perhaps even Grant Peterseon inspired.
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[RBW] Re: Pseudo-Rivendell Thread?

[Matthew P]

Clayton,

Kudos on the bike and post. I followed this thread but didn't participate 
for years because I didn't own a Rivendell.
I think it was a combination of reading the rules multiple times and then 
seeing how welcoming everyone was that I finally believed that I didn't 
have to own a Rivendell to participate.
That and the fact that I started buying stuff from the forum but knew, from 
the rules, that this should not be a marketplace; that is not the focus; 
its a community (I hope I didn't screw that up).
Part of me wishes I had just bought a Rivendell much earlier. My parents 
ingrained a strong...thriftiness (but not necessarily in all my siblings! 
:-p). Humble salary, humble bike, makes sense to me. So part of me also 
thinks I should just ride '80's-'90's steel/rigid StumpJumpers and the 
like. Still in line with the Rivendell ethos! (I'll reference a Rivendell 
Reader on that). In that sense, your pseudo Rivendell bike is not a 
Rivendell (bike) but is Rivendell (in aproach). 

I'm building up an Atlantis...kind of. Been lagging / work. I'll see if I 
still want to ride my ~'84 StumpJumper once the Atlantis is complete!

Check out the iBoB forum: https://groups.google.com/g/internet-bob too. 
Lots of overlap but also great.

Nice bike.
-Matthew
San Diego, on Kumeyaay land, where yesterday we called attention to missing 
and murdered indigenous women (MMIW)


On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 8:45:57 AM UTC-7 Clayton Stahnke wrote:

> I've been an admiring (lurking?) member of this group for a few months now 
> and I've really wanted to post something for a while...but I don't have any 
> Rivendell frames (yet!). 
>
> However, many of my builds are heavily Rivendell-inspired and I figured I 
> would share my latest project here with you all. The bike in question is a 
> 1987 Bridgestone 550 (53cm), so it's not too far off from a Rivendell ;)
>
> I purchased this bike off CL last summer as an impulse buy--I needed a new 
> project and the price point was just right for me. It was pretty much 
> entirely stock with only a few paint chips--I'd call this color "Blue 
> Sharpie" since most of the paint chips were inconspicuously filled in with 
> blue sharpie ink. I threw some bones at it to make it into a zippy 
> singlespeed, but it sat in the garage for most of its initial revival since 
> the 700cx25 wheelset was a bit too harsh for my tastes. 
>
> Fast forward to last month, I was able to secure a sturdy 650b wheelset 
> (Thanks, David B!) and I took a stab at converting this beauty into a 
> "Track-lo-neur" of sorts. The photo below is the finished product and boy 
> howdy, what a world of a difference the wheelset makes for this bike. I 
> usually ride an Atlantis-ified Diamondback Apex around town, but this 
> Homebrew Saluki makes me feel like I'm back in my college days riding 
> around campus again.  
>
> Any other Rivendell wannabes out there? I'd love to hear about your 
> inspired builds!
>
> -Clayton
>
> [image: IMG_1440.JPG]
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: WItTB: Wide range double crankset

[Matthew P]

I've been going through this with a Toyo Atlantis with curved chainstays, 
which "get wider sooner" (closer to the BB) than straight chainstays.
That requires a wider BB/-spindle unless there is a straight section on the 
chainstays before the curve, as on my ~'84 StumpJumper.

I am also pretty convinced that, all else equal, a double requires a wider 
BB/-spindle than a triple because the smallest/innermost ring on the triple 
is smaller than that on the double, hence, it can fit it closer. You save Q 
factor (FWIW) with a double in that there are only 2 rings instead of the 
triple's 3. Stating the obvious JIC.
This "innermost ring" effect is the same thing as the 1x issue of the 
bigger the ring, the wider out it needs to go.

So, can that triple really not fit? If not, the solution to this problem is 
not a double; that will just require an even wider BB/-spindle.
Note: VO and RH doubles can only go down to about 28t I think, which won't 
fit into a smaller hole than your 24t.
And you can't just put a smaller inner ring on your triple. I guess 22t 
would be the smallest possible.

I'm a little stumped and wish I could get my eyes and hands on it. But you 
could try a spacer on the drive side but it does put that side out wider.
Another option: shave the bottom-inside of your crank arms to clear your 
chainstays. There is a Bicycle Quarterly article about this.

Or find a double crankset that accommodates a tiny (24t or less) inner ring 
- white industries? - get as wide a BB/-spindle as you need, but your feet 
won't be as wide as with a triple.

Is it possible you're threading in the drive side too far and the NDS not 
enough? There seems to be some "wiggle room" with BBs in this sense. There 
isn't an alignment for dead center. Group, is it ok to play with that? Is 
this not what a spacer does.
Oh, and does 68 mm vs. 73 mm BB come into play here?

Crank arm bow is new to me; makes sense; glad to pick that up in this 
thread.

-Matthew P
fiddling with the BB on the Toyo Atlantis for way too long, but 
intermittently. i'm really just lagging
oddly its those curves that i like so much. all love requires work :)
in San Diego, CA ( Kumeyaay ) 

On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 5:26:12 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:

> I also ran a AT triple with a UN72 127mm bb. I don't recall needing a 
> spacer as it was on my '83 Stumpjumper that had excellent ring clearance, 
> no bowed stays. It was perfectly centered. The tread width was still very 
> low compared to anything "modern". I still have it around so maybe later 
> I'll measure it uninstalled, a hand press as Ray did. In riding the extra 
> length spindle made no difference to me. In a blind test I would not be 
> able to tell a difference. Years later I'm riding a 170mm tread width 
> triple and even that makes no difference to me. 
>
> On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 7:59:14 PM UTC-4 Ray Varella wrote:
>
>> Joe,
>> I just measured the Sugino AT on a 127mm spindle. I get 153mm without 
>> cinching the bolts down. This is just a hand press fit with a gentle tap to 
>> make sure they are on straight. 
>> Since you want a wide range double, I’m assuming you plan on using the 
>> inner ring. 
>> By eliminating the inner ring and running a compact double that would 
>> allow running a narrower Q
>>
>> I don’t think most modern cranks will improve on that for you. 
>>
>> Hope that helps 
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 4:18:43 PM UTC-7 Joe M. wrote:
>>
>>> Ok thanks for everyone's input this is helpful. I'll look into making 
>>> these work. 
>>>
>>> But if anyone does have a wide range double they'd part with, I'd still 
>>> be interested in possibly purchasing it.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 4:09:55 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bob; It all comes down to arm flare. I got 160 mm Q with a Sugino XD2 
>>>> and 113 mm spindle; I got a 160 mm Q with a TA Pro 5 Vis and a custom 145 
>>>> mm spindle.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 5:02 PM Bob Lovejoy  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am not expert enough to explain where the differences come from, but 
>>>>> different cranks use different bb spindle lengths to get the same 
>>>>> configuration.  The Sugino AT's just happen to use a relatively long 
>>>>> spindle but once installed they clear the chainstays exactly as they 
>>>>> should.  That said, being a triple, the Q factor is going to be more than 
>>>>> a 
>>>>> double.
>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Random Bits

[Matthew P]

Nicely done and useful because I was lost with the BRF situation and didn't 
see this option before.
-Matthew
San Diego - Kumeyaay Land

On Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 8:14:57 AM UTC-7 Benjamin Kelley wrote:

> and the follow up.  Thanks to all who helped with my spring parts bin 
> cleaning.
> --ben
>
> [image: brforder.JPG]
>
> On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 7:59:00 PM UTC-5 Benjamin Kelley wrote:
>
>> All items sold!
>> $50 into BRF once all funds arrive.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> --ben
>>
>>
>> On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 5:19:01 PM UTC-5 Benjamin Kelley wrote:
>>
>>> I’ve done this various ways in the past, and this is how I’m going to do 
>>> it this time.
>>>
>>> All prices listed are shipped. Venmo or Paypal
>>>
>>> All money I receive from these items will be used to purchase BRF 
>>> Donations at Riv.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> $20 Paul Gino Black  New, Mounted but not used.
>>>
>>> $10 Accu-Gage 30psi Presta Gauge Used but not abused, sold the Pugs and 
>>> forgot to give this to the seller back then.
>>>
>>> $10 Velo Orange Hinged Bottle Cage Clamps  Black 31.8mm  New, I bought 
>>> the wrong size and the need has eclipsed at this point anyways.
>>>
>>> $10 Safety Pizza  No mushrooms, Extra Pepperoni.  
>>>
>>>
>>> $0 Izumi Half Link 1/8in New, bought by mistake.
>>>
>>> If you can use it and buy something else I’ll throw it in for free. Just 
>>> let me know.
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Front Derailleurs / Derailers / Whatever

[Matthew P]

Neat Rich. Thanks all for sharing.
Perhaps a good use for old sharktoothed outer rings.
Yes I think I've heard of a "ring-in-vise, snap teeth with vise grips, file 
finish" approach.
Not a bad plan B(BG) Patrick
-Matthew

On Sunday, April 11, 2021 at 4:47:47 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> It's fun to make your own bike parts, but just FYI: BB Bash Guard offers 
> nice looking guards in all sizes and shapes and colors for very little 
> money. I saw one just now for $12; I think mine is like that.
>
> https://bbgbashguard.com
>
> My brother has made his own from discarded rings, but he starts by 
> snapping the teeth off with a vise grip or something like that. I should 
> think that easier than sawing.
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[RBW] Re: Front Derailleurs / Derailers / Whatever

[Matthew P]

Neat Rich! Same here. I'm giving the triple to double conversion a second 
thought. I didn't like them before because I thought of them as a crippled 
triple. But this thread has changed my mind. The toothless outer ring has 
been referred to by multiple names with associated functions: bash guard 
and a term implying saves the cuff of your pants. These appeal to me more 
than ever, and I  like the idea of the toothless outer ring theoretically 
making it near impossible to throw the chain over/off the outermost toothed 
ring.

So, Rich, a question: did you grind the teeth off a chaniring? Wouldn't 
that leave it very short? The one Riv sells seem to be as tall  as the 
toothed version. Whats the best DIY?

-Matthew

On Saturday, April 10, 2021 at 9:14:37 AM UTC-7 RichS wrote:

> This thread has been of particular interest and help as I have never 
> performed a triple to a double with guard conversion. Currently putting the 
> finishing touches on a homemade chain guard (a rewarding effort so far). 
> The shared experiences here on derailer setup will be invaluable as I work 
> through this installation. 
>
> Thank you to all!
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
> On Thursday, April 8, 2021 at 3:45:46 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Ben, when you say "stuck" is the chain jamming and stopping the cranks, 
>> or is it falling between the rings? If it's just a problem of the chain not 
>> moving over far enough to hit the granny, you may be able to adjust the 
>> indexing (or reposition the cable in the fixing bolt) to make that shift 
>> more solid against the chain. This is hard to explain in word pictures but 
>> imagine a friction shift where you kept pushing down on the left bar-end 
>> until the chain made it over to the small ring. Her shifter needs to slap 
>> that fd cage over hard/far enough to complete the shift. 
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, April 8, 2021 at 12:31:46 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Joe, 
>>>
>>> I think I'll try the chain first and see if that fixes it. Hopefully it 
>>> will, since my GF is not terribly interested in barcons or DT shifters (it 
>>> actually had barcons originally and I replaced those at her request with 
>>> the R9).
>>>
>>> Ben
>>> On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 1:59:23 PM UTC-7 Ed Carolipio wrote:
>>>
 I suggest using an FD for a road triple or a mountain triple (instead 
 of a road double) with the 38-24 cranks as those are just the middle and 
 inner chainrings the FD expects in a triple. The 105 is designed for a 
 very 
 large outer ring (around 50-ish) in a compact double crankset (43.5mm 
 chainline).

 Shimano CX-70 is a popular choice - as Bill points out - and it's 
 designed around a 46-30 compact crankset. The new GRX FD would probably 
 work as well since that is designed for a 46-29 compact crankset, though I 
 don't have direct experience with it.

 I like to run a mountain triple (the venerable Shimano Deore M-591) 
 with the 38-24 as well the 34-24 (low-low) and the 42-26 (Sugino XD600 
 with 
 a chainguard as outer ring) from Riv. I have also used a Shimano Sora 
 FD-3030 with good success:


 https://bike.shimano.com/en-EU/product/component/sora-r3000/FD-R3030-B.html
  
 --Ed C.

 On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 9:26:47 PM UTC-7 Erik wrote:

> I'm working on putting together my shiny new gold Sam H that I picked 
> up from the Rivendell shop today.  Everything was coming together 
> beautifully, until I went to install the front derailleur. It's a Shimano 
> 105-5700 for a 2x set up.  I'm running a Silver Wide/Low double with a 38 
> / 
> 24.  The cage on the derailed is too long to set it up with the correct 
> spacing between the large chainring / guard and the cage.  It ends up 
> hitting the chain stay when I shift.  
>
> Does anyone else on here have a similar set up with a wide / low 
> double?  If so, what front derailleur do you use?  For the life of me, I 
> can't figure out a suitable replacement for the 105 and am dreading 
> trying 
> to find one for sale anywhere.
>
> Any thoughts or advice?
>


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[RBW] Re: Blue Lug: Rivendell company ride

[Matthew P]

Thanks for sharing. I don't think I would have seen it otherwise.
The bog crossing: when someone faces adversity, when something goes wrong, 
and it makes a person laugh, that's one of my favorite personality traits.
I could see most people I know cursing in that same situation, "work-me" 
included.
Heck that one guy went ahead and put a knee down in that bog! Admirable.
-Matthew

On Monday, April 5, 2021 at 9:57:50 PM UTC-7 dougP wrote:

> I kept looking for Manny but he must have been behind the camera, 
> especially at the bog crossing.  
>
> dougP
>
> On Monday, April 5, 2021 at 8:05:28 PM UTC-7 Chris L wrote:
>
>> And a Mermaid one, too..
>>
>> On Monday, April 5, 2021 at 1:15:03 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Blue Lug just posted a short n' fun video of their staff on an all-Riv 
>>> outing :) 
>>>
>>> Includes an olime platypus 
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpWq3upMuAo
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Increasing Spring Tension - Rear Derailleur

[Matthew P]

Hi Ken,
I'm curious. Why do you leave the clutch de-activated? Are there downsides 
to using the clutch?
Thanks
-Matthew

On Monday, April 5, 2021 at 4:36:27 PM UTC-7 KenP wrote:

> I changed my derailler to one of the newer Shimano shadow; it has a clutch 
> switch, but I leave said switch off and it still provides more wrap and 
> tension than my older derrailler.   It's not rapid rise thouigh.  I'm 
> running 30 34 52 in front and 11-28 in back. 9 speed.
> KenP
> On Monday, April 5, 2021 at 8:05:15 AM UTC-4 J Schwartz wrote:
>
>> Greetings
>> I have a couple of older long cage Deore LX, 9-speed Rapid Rise rear 
>> derailleurs in great shape on 2 bikes.
>>
>> RD-M580 SGS
>>
>> Given the longer chainstays and hence longer chain on my Appa, I'm 
>> thinking it may be advisable to try to increase the spring tension on one 
>> of them.
>>
>> I take the bike off-road a lot and there's a lot of slap.  I could change 
>> up components but I want to try this first.
>>
>> It's my understanding the spring tension can be increased by placing the 
>> spring end into a different hole in the derailleur cage.
>>
>> However, from my limited internet research on this, it appears that this 
>> particular derailleur may only provide 1 hole and therefore no 
>> adjustability.
>>
>> There's not a lot of info on the Shimano site for this mech.
>>
>> So, I'm coming to the group before taking the derailleur apart.
>>
>> Does anyone know if that particular derailleur allows spring tension to 
>> be increased?
>>
>> Thank you
>> J Schwartz
>>
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[RBW] Re: Front Derailleurs / Derailers / Whatever

[Matthew P]

Patrick that looks great. 
Nice coupling of the two arcs of the toothless outer ring/guard and the fd 
cage.
Did you really have to hack off the stop, as in, backing out or removing 
altogether the limit screw wasn't enough? I believe you regardless.

I'm slowly grasping a few things:
1. the fd has to clear the toothless outer ring, which probably places it a 
little high with respect to the outermost ring that has teeth
  1.a. when people say "mount the FD high" is it high with respect to 
that ring (middle in the triple) or high wrt the toothless outer (aka 
really high for the middle ring)?
2. I bet that guard/toothless-ring also works great as a chain stop. pretty 
hard to throw the chain off your biggest ring when you have one of those, 
no?
But if the chain never comes off I don't get to do my current favorite bike 
trick: put the chain back on just using the fd (and pedalling, of course)

- Matthew 
"I passed on the bash guard triple but am liking them more" and 
"i can always throw it off the inner ring for fun" and 
"but I can barely get the chain there in the first place right now" and
"would like to see this ugly-functional fd" and
"doesn't yet comprehend long (road?) vs. short (mtb?) fd's"
P
in San Diego / Kumeyaay Land
On Monday, April 5, 2021 at 1:54:22 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Yes, or as Patrick mentioned you can use any old (and cheap) Shimano mtb 
> triple. The 24-38 Silver cranks are a triple with the big ring replaced by 
> a smaller pant guard; if you mount the derailer in its normal position the 
> cage contours will hit the middle and granny rings in the right spot. The 
> only "problem" is the big gap over the pant guard looks a little funky. 
>
> Joe "funky is good" Bernard
>
> On Monday, April 5, 2021 at 9:01:43 AM UTC-7 Tom Wyland wrote:
>
>> I had the same question about the front derailleur and the silver 
>> low-high 38-24 crank.  It's my first build with a FD.  The gist is to get a 
>> road double and mess around until it works?  I have no intention of 
>> spending $80 if a cheap one will work.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Increasing Spring Tension - Rear Derailleur

[Matthew P]

Hey J.
I'm interested in this. It sounds like a DIY derailleur clutch.
I Google searched that and got some promising hits.
If you dive into this, please share.
Thanks
Trying to stay on task in San Diego,
-Matthew

On Monday, April 5, 2021 at 5:05:15 AM UTC-7 J Schwartz wrote:

> Greetings
> I have a couple of older long cage Deore LX, 9-speed Rapid Rise rear 
> derailleurs in great shape on 2 bikes.
>
> RD-M580 SGS
>
> Given the longer chainstays and hence longer chain on my Appa, I'm 
> thinking it may be advisable to try to increase the spring tension on one 
> of them.
>
> I take the bike off-road a lot and there's a lot of slap.  I could change 
> up components but I want to try this first.
>
> It's my understanding the spring tension can be increased by placing the 
> spring end into a different hole in the derailleur cage.
>
> However, from my limited internet research on this, it appears that this 
> particular derailleur may only provide 1 hole and therefore no 
> adjustability.
>
> There's not a lot of info on the Shimano site for this mech.
>
> So, I'm coming to the group before taking the derailleur apart.
>
> Does anyone know if that particular derailleur allows spring tension to be 
> increased?
>
> Thank you
> J Schwartz
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Last call: Free for postage: 21"/533 mm mountain bike handlebar

[Matthew P]

Excellent!

On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 3:31:58 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Good suggestion. The route from my house to the Coop is rideable, too.
>
> On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 3:24 PM Matthew P  wrote:
>
>> Or the bike co-op? https://www.bikecoopnm.com/
>> Everyone, don't forget about your local bike co-op.
>> Feed them with parts and burritos :)
>> -Matthew
>> Bikes del Pueblo
>> the bike co-op in San Diego, on Kumeyaay Land
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 9:50:20 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> If there are no takers, it goes into the recycling bin.
>>>
>>> You pay postage from 87120
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Last call: Free for postage: 21"/533 mm mountain bike handlebar

[Matthew P]

Or the bike co-op? https://www.bikecoopnm.com/
Everyone, don't forget about your local bike co-op.
Feed them with parts and burritos :)
-Matthew
Bikes del Pueblo
the bike co-op in San Diego, on Kumeyaay Land

On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 9:50:20 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> If there are no takers, it goes into the recycling bin.
>
> You pay postage from 87120
>
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[RBW] Re: I love the pic of Sal cruisin on the new Riv site

[Matthew P]

Ah, thats much better. Thanks Eric!
Ah, yes, a pan: camera moves "with subject", background blurs.
Happy to have the full photo!

On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 2:22:20 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Matthew – I extracted the image from the website. Because this 
> involved using basic web browser tools I figure it's kosher. 
>
> The file is called "sofiapanslightedit.jpg," no author identified. Some of 
> the other pics appear to be by Grant and James. I'm sure if you emailed 
> Will or Grant or James they could help you out. 
>
> [image: sofiapanslightedit_2048x.jpg]
>
> On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 2:16:54 PM UTC-5 Matthew P wrote:
>
>> Very appropriate comment - the first one. And I got something out of it: 
>> if I go swept back, beware it might be too upright.
>> I'm working on an Atlantis build. Actually, I've been working a lot, but 
>> not on the Atlantis :$ 
>> I'm putting Bullmoose bars on it. One day my brain suddenly latched onto 
>> the Bullmoose. Very strange.
>> I'm a big believer in wrist angle, that it strongly determines whether I 
>> get wrist pain or not.
>> And with the swept back bars comes a different wrist angle, which could 
>> be better for my wrists.
>> The "other side" to this is a straighter bar is "anatomically easier" to 
>> hold onto in bumpy conditions. 
>> I don't want to explain but I am ok with differing opinions even if they 
>> are inevitably inferior than my own :-p
>>
>> On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 9:25:25 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Pardon my partial thought above, I do understand those are not Loscos, 
>>> but was a comment about changing bars (and similar to the Bosco's) 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 13 March 2021 at 09:24:18 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah it's a sweet pic and really conveys the comfort and feel of the 
>>>> Hillibike well - Sal is very much in the bike rather than on it.  
>>>>
>>>> I put Loscos on my Twenty and I love the bars, though the reach is 
>>>> probably too short to be a lasting change - I am a strong supporter of the 
>>>> long bike with swept bars combination, but regular length bikes with swept 
>>>> bars don't tend to work as well!  It feels like my body position is "guy 
>>>> with his hands in his pockets" when huffing up a hill. 
>>>>
>>>> - Jason in Early-springtime Vancouver BC 
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: I love the pic of Sal cruisin on the new Riv site

[Matthew P]

Very appropriate comment - the first one. And I got something out of it: if 
I go swept back, beware it might be too upright.
I'm working on an Atlantis build. Actually, I've been working a lot, but 
not on the Atlantis :$ 
I'm putting Bullmoose bars on it. One day my brain suddenly latched onto 
the Bullmoose. Very strange.
I'm a big believer in wrist angle, that it strongly determines whether I 
get wrist pain or not.
And with the swept back bars comes a different wrist angle, which could be 
better for my wrists.
The "other side" to this is a straighter bar is "anatomically easier" to 
hold onto in bumpy conditions. 
I don't want to explain but I am ok with differing opinions even if they 
are inevitably inferior than my own :-p

On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 9:25:25 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Pardon my partial thought above, I do understand those are not Loscos, but 
> was a comment about changing bars (and similar to the Bosco's) 
>
> On Saturday, 13 March 2021 at 09:24:18 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Yeah it's a sweet pic and really conveys the comfort and feel of the 
>> Hillibike well - Sal is very much in the bike rather than on it.  
>>
>> I put Loscos on my Twenty and I love the bars, though the reach is 
>> probably too short to be a lasting change - I am a strong supporter of the 
>> long bike with swept bars combination, but regular length bikes with swept 
>> bars don't tend to work as well!  It feels like my body position is "guy 
>> with his hands in his pockets" when huffing up a hill. 
>>
>> - Jason in Early-springtime Vancouver BC 
>
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Re: [RBW] Fun with Lights!

[Matthew P]

This is fantastic. Looks great.
Did you use any guides online that were helpful? I'd like to get better at 
this stuff.
Also looking for a basic guide on dyno hub and lights troubleshooting with 
a multimeter, but I can search and then start a new thread.
Thanks
-Matthew
San Diego/Kumeyaay, CA

On Monday, February 8, 2021 at 10:26:45 AM UTC-8 Robert Blunt wrote:

> Eric,
> I would love to see some photos of the Singer.
> --Robert Blunt
> Pennington, NJ
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 11:13 AM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Looks like a great mod! 
>>
>> I did something similar with the original vintage headlight on my Alex 
>> Singer. Because the front rack on the bike was purpose-built to support the 
>> light, I decided to leave it on and add a modern Schmidt headlight on the 
>> other side. Inside the vintage light is a new LED lamp that, as you note 
>> with yours, is more for visibility than for seeing the road. Both are 
>> powered by a modern Velogical dynamo running on the rear wheel.
>>
>>
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
>>
>> On Feb 8, 2021, at 6:24 AM, Philip Barrett  wrote:
>>
>> I had been looking for a while for something cool & retro for lighting to 
>> add to the Trek about-townie. I have a Light+Motion set that really work 
>> great but certainly don't have the "look."
>>
>> A trip to the parts bin at my local bike advocacy store & a suitable 
>> donation to the cause netted me a very dirty but largely undamaged chrome 
>> headlight that had been part of a generator set. Yesterday, after judicious 
>> applications of Simulchrome, I fired up the soldering iron and rebuilt the 
>> light, adding a push switch and LED bulb powered by rechargeable AAAs. 
>> Plenty bright enough to be seen & works well with the build methinks?
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Any Susie owners out there?

[Matthew P]

Andrew,
You mentioned you ditched the pec deck. Care to give your opinion on it? 
I'm planning on making & using one or two.
Thanks.
-Matthew
on the fence about starting a (new) pec deck post/thread

On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 12:07:53 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Grant is a notably competitive steep-climber.  His "philosophy" of short 
> periods of extreme exertion coupled with his tendency towards slow riding 
> makes ultra-steep-climbs his perfect activity.  Many of us RBWHQ visitors 
> know that if Grant doesn't have his hands full, he may just decide "Bill, 
> grab a bike, let's go" and take you on a climb that will make your lungs 
> jump out of your chest.  Hillibikes climb exceptionally well.  IF you put 
> bosco bars on a mainstream mountain bike with really short chainstays, THEN 
> you would have too-little weight on the front wheel and 'wheelie' on steep 
> climbs.  Lng chainstays keep your front wheel planted.  Also, climbing 
> a Grant-selected steep pitch will encourage you to grab your Boscos down as 
> low as you can to get more leverage over the pedals.  
>
> Hillibikes aren't for life risking decents and getting sick air, but they 
> are really good for aggressively conquering steep climbs.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 11:11:02 AM UTC-8 Christopher Cote wrote:
>
>> I think part of it is your physical proportions and fit. I tend toward a 
>> shorter torso and longer legs, so I'm naturally going to have less weight 
>> on the front wheel, especially with a long front-center.
>>
>> I didn't mean to go so far as to say that the Susie (sorry for the 
>> misspelling earlier) was designed to make you get off and walk, but with 
>> Grant's philosophy, I just think it's unlikely he's designed the bike to 
>> "conquer the terrain". 
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 6:06:18 PM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:
>>
>>> I guess I am either blessed or cursed with less sensitivity in these 
>>> matters.  I tend to ride the same roads and trails 80 percent (or more) of 
>>> the time, and over the years I've ridden them with lots of different bikes 
>>> with lots of different geometries and setups.  I'm not sure exactly  what 
>>> handling characteristic is under discussion, but on my normal single track 
>>> trails, I don't notice a lack of bite from the front tire of the Susie. The 
>>> Klunker bar does not overly entice one into aggressive riding, but I'll 
>>> dive into a dirt turn at speed now and then, no problem. When going up a 
>>> challenging hill, yup, the bike will wander a bit. In my experience, 
>>> whatever the bike, unless you are practically hammering out of the saddle, 
>>> you are going to experience some of that at 3-4mph on a sick dirt and rock 
>>> grade.
>>>
>>> The Susie per se is not designed to make you walk. If I were going to be 
>>> going out into  the landscape aggressively, I could easily choose bars that 
>>> would get me level with the saddle on my Large. If I wanted more 
>>> aggression, I could put them on my Medium Clem L. I'm not sure it is 
>>> terribly helpful to compare the Hillibike geometries to current offerings 
>>> from the big boys.They share much more of a bloodline with my 1984 Trek 
>>> 830, able to traverse hill and dale, rock and road, with equal aplomb, but 
>>> with the ability to also get more comfortable via high head tube and longer 
>>> chainstays and small refinements in the geometry. And bigger wheels.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 2:35:50 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>>>
 On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 12:28:41 PM UTC-7 Christopher Cote 
 wrote:

> I haven't ridden a Gus or Suzie, but I have had a similar experience 
> on more conventional MTBs. If I set the bars up high and back for 
> ultimate 
> comfort, there's not enough weight on the front tire to "bite" into the 
> terrain, and handling suffers, IMO. If you're just tootling along, the 
> sit 
> up and beg position is fine, but if you're interested in riding technical 
> trails or in an aggressive manner, you need a more aggressive position. 
> Given Grant's philosophy that riders should get off and walk more, I 
> think 
> that is reflected in the Gus/Suzie design.
>
> Chris
>

 ^^ Right!  However, on a normal mountain bike that's set up this way, 
 you end up doing wheelies while climbing, because the rear wheel is tucked 
 under your butt.   On Grant's long-chainstay bikes, you still have a 
 chance 
 of riding it out.   

>>>

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[RBW] Re: I'm ready

[Matthew P]

Sam lets see photos of all those bikes!
-Matthew
Kumeyaay Land

On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 9:47:23 AM UTC-8 dougP wrote:

> Not with any of those specific bikes, but I have a '90 Fisher (probably 
> not far off your Stumpy).  It actually seems to handle quicker than my '03 
> 58 cm 700c Atlantis.  That's to be expected with one being a purpose built 
> MTB and the other a touring bike.  
>
> dougP
>
> On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 7:38:50 AM UTC-8 Sam Perez wrote:
>
>> I'm ready to get a riv bike but haven't ridden one yet. Bikes I've owned 
>> and emulated rive bikes with are the following.
>>
>> MB-1  26"
>> MB-0. 26"
>> Surly LTH.  26"
>> EBISU All purpose 650b
>> Salsa ala carte26"
>> 84 stump jumper 26"
>> 80s univega. 26"
>>
>> Anyone have experience with same bikes? Do the rivs handle like 80s mt 
>> conversations?  after years of riding I'm beginning to get some neck pain 
>> from drop bars. So really an upright sporty rando with day loads up diablo. 
>> Haven't decided what model yet.
>>
>> Thanks 
>> Sam
>>
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[RBW] Re: Friction 1x11

[Matthew P]

Thank you Sam for this post. This is currently on my mind.
My friends insisted on a clutch derailer, and then, better than insisting, 
a friend gave me one (I reciprocated to make it a trade :)

So I've been internally himming and hawing over what shifter to run on my 
Shimano 11 speed clutch derailer and Shimano 11-42, 11 speed casette.
One thing that came to mind is I'd like to have friction shifting an option 
if/when, for some reason, I can't correctly tune the indexed shifting with 
a barrel adjuster etc.
I think the barcon/bar-end option to switch between indexed and friction 
shifting is a really nice option and back-up plan.
I am also a little resistant to mountain bike trigger shifters, not for 
mechanical reasons, just...personal prefernce/bias.

So I'm thinking I'll go with the Microshift 11 spd thumb shifter.
It looks like its the SL-M11 I want:
https://www.microshift.com/en/product/sl-m11/
I wish it had the bolt with the folding loop on top like the Shimanos to 
make it easier to switch between friction and indexed.

I think I'm decided now, thanks, but also happy to hear more.

-Matthew
San Diego, CA

On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 9:24:00 PM UTC-8 Adam in Indiana wrote:

> I’ve been using 1x11 for a while, in both friction and indexed.  I use an 
> appropriate Microshift lever with a Shimano SLX clutch derailleur, and it 
> works flawlessly.  I started it out as a bar-end, but now have it on a 
> hydraulic Gevenalle setup.
>
> On Sunday, January 10, 2021 at 1:24:37 AM UTC-5 Sam Perez wrote:
>
>> Any one have any experience with a friction 1x set up ? I'm really 
>> curious, but was discouraged bc I've herd anything above an 8s suffers on 
>> friction mode, is there a shifters that would be adequate and is the 
>> shifting more fussy ?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
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Re: [RBW] racks bags and a saddle fs

[Matthew P]

I'd like dibs on the wheels - and pics and any relevant info. But sounds 
like a great deal.
Unable to reply directly to the poster (I click button, code flashes in the 
bottom bar, but nothing happens, I scrunch my face, repeat 5x)...
I sent an email to  jamison dot brosseau overat gmail dot com and got no 
response.
Sorry to bother. I could use these and don't want to miss them for fear of 
replying all.
Thanks.
-Matt
making progress on an Atlantis build, with another build lined up, in San 
Diego

On Sunday, December 13, 2020 at 8:33:39 AM UTC-8 jamison brosseau wrote:

>
> Brooks B67 lightly used $80.00
> Sackville saddle sack medium grid grey great shape.$150.00 
> I have two of the Sackville Shopsack Medium military green with side clips 
> $45.00 each Both are sold
> Sackville shopsack  Grid Grey ( invisible grid) large $52.00 I also Have a 
> Blue version also $52.00 Both Sold
> Nitto Big Back Rack 33R the larger size New $185.00 Pending
> Nitto Big Front rack.  Used Great shape no hardware $170.00
> Nitto RBW 51 front or rear rack New $140.00 Sold
> MKS tourist pedals with cages and straps.  $15.00 Sold
> Unknown nitto rack, looks like a marks rack with a longer top platform.
> $100.00
> Nitto type r bottle cage New $40.00 Sold
> Nitto type T bottle cage New $40.00 Sold
> Hands On Wheels, synergy and XT Wheelset.  Great Shape.  True when removed 
> from Bike about 2 years ago.  No Skewer $250.00 Pretty sure they are 36 
> hole 700c
> On Saturday, December 12, 2020 at 4:07:12 PM UTC-5 jamison brosseau wrote:
>
>> RBW51 rack sold
>> Both shopsack mediums sold
>> pedals sold
>> Bottle cages sold
>>
>> On Saturday, December 12, 2020 at 3:27:50 PM UTC-5 jamison brosseau wrote:
>>
>>> Wheels are 700c
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 12, 2020 at 3:05:05 PM UTC-5 Andy Casler wrote:
>>>
 Hi Jamison:
 I worked like the Nitto bottle cages if still available.

 Thanks,
 —Andy C.
 SF

 On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 11:24 AM jamison brosseau <
 jamison@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have a variety of items for sale CONUSA shipping included, PayPal 
> fees are not included. New Items have been marked as new.  Photos on 
> request.
>
> Brooks B67 lightly used $80.00
> Sackville saddle sack medium grid grey great shape.$150.00
> I have two of the Sackville Shopsack Medium military green with side 
> clips $45.00 each
> Sackville shopsack  Grid Grey ( invisible grid) large $52.00 I also 
> Have a Blue version also $52.00
> Nitto Big Back Rack 33R the larger size New $185.00
> Nitto Big Front rack.  Used Great shape no hardware $170.00
> Nitto RBW 51 front or rear rack New $140.00 
> MKS tourist pedals with cages and straps.  $15.00
> Unknown nitto rack, looks like a marks rack with a longer top platform.
> $100.00
> Nitto type r bottle cage New $40.00
> Nitto type T bottle cage New $40.00
> Hands On Wheels, synergy and XT Wheelset.  Great Shape.  True when 
> removed from Bike about 2 years ago.  No Skewer $250.00 Pretty sure they 
> are 36 hole.
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Re: [RBW] Bombadil on its Archetypal Route (loads of photos)

[Matthew P]

Awesome Jason.
Thank you for sharing. The route sounds ideal to me. I want smooth trails, 
not death trails.
Your Bombadil might be my favorite bike that isn't mine.
I wish there was a "Best of RBW" to put or tag this post, and other great 
ones, so they could be found easily.
-Matt
San Diego, CA, USA

On Sunday, December 13, 2020 at 4:48:40 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Andy:  ha, I appreciate the compliment, but the environment gets all the 
> credit for the beauty of the photos; I just haphazardly waved my cell phone 
> around and pushed the button. 
>
> Robert:  I did!  Although I was riding with one other person who fell once 
> (was OK), and my Instagram story of the ice resulted in a half-dozen 
> replies from locals who had fallen on the ice that day!  Studded tires are 
> something I plan to get for my commuter next winter, when I'm back to 
> actually commuting. We have a mild winter here but there's certainly a 
> bunch of frosty mornings over winter that make cycling quite dangerous 
> without studs. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS:. 58 cm Hunqapillar Fork for 26" Wheels

[Matthew P]

Thanks for the pics and info Conway.
My idea to apply this to a 700c Atlantis is dumb because the difference 
between 700c and 26" is too great.  To have equal total wheel size (wheel + 
tire), I'd have to run a skinny tire in the back and a 2.2"+ up front.  
Nope.
Thanks though.  Cool stuff.  
If I knew a Hunqapillar fork was the biggest piece of a Hunqapillar I'd 
ever get to own, I might purchase it for that reason alone :-p


On Friday, August 14, 2020 at 3:06:58 PM UTC-7, Conway Bennett wrote:
>
> The 1993 XO-2 has very tight clearance by current standards which is what 
> instigated the initial fork project.  The XO-2 I had was basically NOS and 
> I also ended up with a 1994 XO-3 that had seen some use.  I treated the 
> XO-2 too preciously and I wanted a daily driver which is why I kept the 
> XO-3.  Around the same time I bought a 650b Hunqapillar so I never used the 
> fork again.
>
>
> Fair winds,
>
> Captain Conway Bennett
> 239.877.4119
>
> On Fri, Aug 14, 2020, 4:18 PM Ray > 
> wrote:
>
>> Oh interesting. I just starting building my Bridgestone XO-2 was a little 
>> disappointed in the tight clearance at the fork. Looked great on yours! Any 
>> reason in particular you weren't satisfied with the swap?
>>
>> On Friday, August 14, 2020 at 4:13:57 PM UTC-5 Conway Bennett wrote:
>>
>>> Matt,
>>>
>>> I added two pictures of the bike I had it mounted on for reference.  I 
>>> am not sure how the fit will be on a Toyo Atlantis but I was running 26 x 
>>> 2.15 smart Sam's on cliffhanger rims with a lot of clearance.  This is also 
>>> a  good project for someone who wants to modify it further to accept disc 
>>> brakes.
>>>
>>>
>>> Fair winds,
>>>
>>> Captain Conway Bennett
>>> 239.877.4119
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 14, 2020, 4:00 PM Matthew P  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Neat.
>>>> How wide a tire will it accept?
>>>> How would it work with a 58 cm Toyo Atlantis?
>>>> I wonder if I could stick this on and get wider than 2.2" for the 
>>>> unexpected sandpit on the trail.
>>>> Probably a bad idea but might as well find out.
>>>> Thanks
>>>> -Matthew
>>>> San Diego
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 11:52:04 AM UTC-7, Conway Bennett wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I've tried selling this opportunistically over the years but I just 
>>>>> pulled it out of the parts bin again and I want it gone.  
>>>>>
>>>>> I had a 58 cm Hunqapillar fork modified by comrade cycles in Chicago 
>>>>> to accept a 26" wheel.  I am into it for ~ $290, make me a fair offer 
>>>>> shipped from Chicagoland and it's yours.  Thanks in advance.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/wivMh3CDfw9jR7CQ6
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[RBW] Re: FS: 58cm Rivendell Atlantis $1900.00

[Matthew P]

Hey Nikko.

Nice ride!  I'm gathering parts to build up my 58 cm Toyo Atlantis.
Looks like your tire clearance is limited in the back and not in the fork.  
Can you confirm?
And those are 700c x 2.1" tires on there?  Looking about max.  I thought 
2.2" would be the max, like the 2.2" Ikons.
You ever fit wider tires than the ones you have on there?

Lets see those parts!  I'm interested.  You want to let that front rack 
go?  Crust leather bars?  Wha?  Love to see that stem too!  Purple goes 
great with the Atlantii!

-Matthew
San Diego


On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 7:18:27 PM UTC-7, Nikko in Oakland wrote:
>
> For quick reference. 
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-rivendell-atlantis-58cm-touring/7175682012.html

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[RBW] Re: FS:. 58 cm Hunqapillar Fork for 26" Wheels

[Matthew P]

Neat.
How wide a tire will it accept?
How would it work with a 58 cm Toyo Atlantis?
I wonder if I could stick this on and get wider than 2.2" for the 
unexpected sandpit on the trail.
Probably a bad idea but might as well find out.
Thanks
-Matthew
San Diego

On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 11:52:04 AM UTC-7, Conway Bennett wrote:
>
> I've tried selling this opportunistically over the years but I just pulled 
> it out of the parts bin again and I want it gone.  
>
> I had a 58 cm Hunqapillar fork modified by comrade cycles in Chicago to 
> accept a 26" wheel.  I am into it for ~ $290, make me a fair offer shipped 
> from Chicagoland and it's yours.  Thanks in advance.
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/wivMh3CDfw9jR7CQ6
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[RBW] Re: Cable pull modification hack for 9S shifter/cassette, 10S clutch derailleur (SRAM GX)

[Matthew P]

Abe,

I'd gladly send you some bucks for material, shipping etc to try it out.
I'm trying to get hot on this stuff with one bike to sell and one bike to 
build.
And I've been on the fence about which shifters to lose on the bike for 
sale and what to keep.
This/these could influence my decision.
Please send me a private message with your paypal etc. if you are inclined.


Here is some copy and paste (can use to find the actual thread) where I got 
that Shimano 600 lever bit of info:
~~~
Peter Trasko
6/8/17
Resurrecting an old thread, but I made a chance discovery that may be of 
interest to the group.
One limitation of friction-shifted 10 and 11 speed bikes has been the throw 
length of bar-end shifters. Some people have gotten around this problem 
with judicious filing of the bar-end pods, like Ultraromance did here with 
this amazing ride.
I'm here to tell you that this filing isn't necessary.
I mounted late-model Shimano 600 downtube shifters (these ones) on generic 
Shimano bar-end pods. These shifters, on these pods, will pull through a 
full 180 degrees. On a 10 speed cassette they move a little over 90 
degrees. I haven't tried 11 (or 12), but I guarantee that it will work. How 
do I know? With the chain removed and the derailler limits backed all the 
way out, the shifter will easily pull the derailler into the wheel and 
beyond. These shifters are also truly "light action", in that you can 
easily move them by tiny increments. With 10 speed you just never miss a 
shift.
Hope this helps! I'm friction shifting a mega-wide-range system of various 
parts and just loving it. In the rear I have a 10-speed 11-42 cassette. In 
the front I use a SunXCD 26-46 double. Altogether I can pull my kid trailer 
up alpine passes (I live in Switzerland) and my top speed is about 40km/hr 
- which I can only reach on steep descents. I have the range I need!
~~~`

Good stuff.
-Matthew



On Monday, July 27, 2020 at 4:14:57 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> thank you for offering to send me one.  That's not necessary.  If I need 
> something like it I'll want to do my own work anyway...  Offer it up here 
> for the less fabricationally inclined.  
>
> Bill
>
> On Saturday, July 25, 2020 at 8:20:53 PM UTC-7 Pancake wrote:
>
>> Took a quick spin tonight: it works a dream, could be a tiny fraction 
>> thicker but as is it leaves a meaningful amount of extra lever movement 
>> range before it’s stopped by the limit screws at the derailer. It could 
>> move the derailer another 5mm plus for top or bottom gear (enough to shift 
>> off the bottom or over the top gear if not stopped by the limit screws). 
>>
>> Thanks Bill. I’ll send you one myself (shout me where you’d like it sent 
>> by email). 
>>
>> I’m going to fix up another that’s a nicer finish and very tight fit so 
>> the glue or epoxy will almost unnecessary. 
>>
>> Abe
>
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[RBW] Re: Cable pull modification hack for 9S shifter/cassette, 10S clutch derailleur (SRAM GX)

[Matthew P]

I like this stuff and I'm looking to set up something along these lines.

I was having a hard time grasping it but I think I have it: 
The bar end shifter is basically a circle (/spool/reel) wrapping & 
releasing cable.
The metal insert increases the radius/diameter/circumference of that circle.
Now the same travel of the lever - or same change in angle - results in a 
larger distance moving on the outside of that circle - and more cable pull.
Common analogy: in one rotation of a spinning record, a point on the edge 
of the circle label in the middle travels less linear distance than does a 
point on the outer edge of the record.
But they both travel the same number of degrees: 360.
Insert angular velocity stuff here.

So this is different than the Shimano 600 bar end shifter and the hacked 
versions that get more cable pull by having greater movement of the lever - 
180 degree swing or whatever it is.

I wonder:

What I can do for thumb shifters.  Hack my microshift thumb shifters or do 
the lever+(Paul or VO or..?) "Thumby" allow for more options?  Maybe I hold 
onto my Paul's..

So the 9 speed chain is fine with the 10 speed derailer?
Would a 10 speed chain be better?  I hear reports of 10 spd chain on 9 spd 
casette is good.

Definitely go with the Sram clutch (rear) derailer instead of a Shimano?

Thats all I can recall.
Thank you much for sharing.

-Matthew 
San Diego


On Sunday, July 26, 2020 at 10:26:53 AM UTC-7, Pancake wrote:
>
> 40 miles today across Napa to Lake Hennessy and back with the new setup: 
> great! Significantly quieter and shifts great, better than the XT RD before.
>
> Abe
>
> On Sunday, 26 July 2020 at 05:48:41 UTC-7 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> This is the sort of hack I envisioned for my NOS Mavic/Simplex DT shift 
>> levers pertinent for 9-Spd before I accepted that they were going to be 
>> just way too dang far down there on a 64cm frame to worry about if or how 
>> well they worked. If the functional capstan diameter around which the cable 
>> wraps as the lever is rotated was increased.by some amount, the 
>> wonderful shifting feel could carry on into the 9-Speed world. 
>>
>> I thought about a tube of a particular wall thickness to put the cable 
>> through that had a widened end to stop in the lever's recess for the cable 
>> end bead. The hole drilled through the lever for the cable enlarged enough 
>> to accept both  the thickness of the cable and added sleeve. The bead 
>> recess enlarged, if needed, to continue acting as the stop for both the 
>> cable and the sleeve. Flexibility would help insert through the lever 
>> passage, being more rigid and shaped would cause less cable tension to make 
>> it take shape as would be operated and cause less "noise" to the shifting 
>> function as tension is taken and given during shifts. 
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>> On Saturday, July 25, 2020 at 1:51:04 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Good work.  APPROVE.  
>>>
>>> In 2020, 3D printing is totally dialed.  Somebody with the time and the 
>>> CAD station could build a 3D model of an accessory piece that would snap 
>>> onto a Silver shifter, increasing the cable pull.  Post that model on 
>>> Shapeways.com and anybody in the world could click and order it in plastic 
>>> or metal.  Plastic would be fine.  The price of these things are purely 
>>> based on the volume of material because that represents how long the 
>>> printer is running.  Such a piece would only cost a couple bucks to print.  
>>> Charge $15 for it and make a decent margin.  That would be cool!  I'd buy 
>>> one.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 25, 2020 at 8:53:12 AM UTC-7 Pancake wrote:
>>>
 More corrections: measured with calipers and my estimates were not 
 great for the size of the added metal piece:

 25mm long. Could probably be 20mm long and work equally well.
 1.8mm wide
 0.8mm thick



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Re: [RBW] FS: MUSA Atlantis. 56 cm / 650b

[Matthew P]

Thanks Mike.
No problem Applegate.

On Tuesday, July 21, 2020 at 12:07:01 PM UTC-7, Applegate wrote:
>
> Ah, thank you for the offer. I was thinking it'd be worth adding in the 
> tires with the wheelset, but I won't rush the purchase without.
>
> On Tuesday, 21 July 2020 at 11:22:06 UTC-7 Matthew P wrote:
>
>> Applegate - the Thunderburts are available.  I'm asking $70 plus 
>> shipping.  Call it $80 flat.  Does that work for you?
>> Where are you located?
>>
>> The wheelset and all other parts have been claimed.  
>> Anyone have suggestions shipping wheels?  I'll search around.
>>
>> Thank you.
>> -Matthew
>> San Diego
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 21, 2020 at 10:44:29 AM UTC-7, Applegate wrote:
>>>
>>> And the Thunder Burts, actually...
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 21 July 2020 at 10:42:12 UTC-7 Applegate wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Matthew! I'd love to know a price for the Hands On Wheels-set. 
>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, 18 July 2020 at 12:26:00 UTC-7 Matthew P wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The bike sold in June.
>>>>> and again since then so I think its time I update this post.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have some parts from it if you're interested (see photos of them on 
>>>>> the bike here
>>>>> pics https://photos.app.goo.gl/zcQSxtk8sYFYoMmZ9
>>>>>
>>>>> bars - I think they are the Albatross
>>>>> stem - Nitto lugged
>>>>> grips - Newbaum wrap w/ padding under
>>>>> brake levers - Shimano
>>>>>
>>>>> brakes - Paul cantilever
>>>>>
>>>>> wheels - 650b/27.5" Handbuilt Wheels by Rich Lesnik (Rivendell) w/ 
>>>>> Velocity Atlas rims, rear Shimano Deore XT hub, front Shimano dyno hub
>>>>>
>>>>> Tires - 2.35" Schwalbe Magic Mary (front) & Nobby Nic (rear) set up 
>>>>> tubeless
>>>>> I also have available: 
>>>>> - 2.1" Thunder Burts (in the first 6 pics in the link), and 
>>>>> - 2.25" WTB Trail Boss, Fast Rolling/Tough.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> -Matthew
>>>>> San Diego
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 8:09:04 PM UTC-7, Drw wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I’ll also just chime in and say I also have a 56cm 650b MUSA Atlantis 
>>>>>> with longish but not super long chainstays. It’s the best bike I’ve ever 
>>>>>> owned.  Unless it didn’t fit, I can’t imagine anyone regretting this. 
>>>>>
>>>>>

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Re: [RBW] FS: MUSA Atlantis. 56 cm / 650b

[Matthew P]

Applegate - the Thunderburts are available.  I'm asking $70 plus shipping.  
Call it $80 flat.  Does that work for you?
Where are you located?

The wheelset and all other parts have been claimed.  
Anyone have suggestions shipping wheels?  I'll search around.

Thank you.
-Matthew
San Diego


On Tuesday, July 21, 2020 at 10:44:29 AM UTC-7, Applegate wrote:
>
> And the Thunder Burts, actually...
>
> On Tuesday, 21 July 2020 at 10:42:12 UTC-7 Applegate wrote:
>
>> Hi Matthew! I'd love to know a price for the Hands On Wheels-set. Thanks 
>> in advance.
>>
>> On Saturday, 18 July 2020 at 12:26:00 UTC-7 Matthew P wrote:
>>
>>> The bike sold in June.
>>> and again since then so I think its time I update this post.
>>>
>>> I have some parts from it if you're interested (see photos of them on 
>>> the bike here
>>> pics https://photos.app.goo.gl/zcQSxtk8sYFYoMmZ9
>>>
>>> bars - I think they are the Albatross
>>> stem - Nitto lugged
>>> grips - Newbaum wrap w/ padding under
>>> brake levers - Shimano
>>>
>>> brakes - Paul cantilever
>>>
>>> wheels - 650b/27.5" Handbuilt Wheels by Rich Lesnik (Rivendell) w/ 
>>> Velocity Atlas rims, rear Shimano Deore XT hub, front Shimano dyno hub
>>>
>>> Tires - 2.35" Schwalbe Magic Mary (front) & Nobby Nic (rear) set up 
>>> tubeless
>>> I also have available: 
>>> - 2.1" Thunder Burts (in the first 6 pics in the link), and 
>>> - 2.25" WTB Trail Boss, Fast Rolling/Tough.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> -Matthew
>>> San Diego
>>>
>>> On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 8:09:04 PM UTC-7, Drw wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I’ll also just chime in and say I also have a 56cm 650b MUSA Atlantis 
>>>> with longish but not super long chainstays. It’s the best bike I’ve ever 
>>>> owned.  Unless it didn’t fit, I can’t imagine anyone regretting this. 
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Things I Regret: Beausage on Vacation

[Matthew P]

Riv quiver. Basket party indeed.


On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 2:05:10 PM UTC-7, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Matthew, I laughed out LOUD. It’s obscene, I know. Three Rivendells - how 
> did I even get to this point?
>
> We made it home yesterday, with all 4 bikes.  I drove 14 hours one day and 
> 10 the next. Here’s a photo of my van with bikes in the hotel parking lot 
> in Idaho Falls, ID. Our room’s window looked right down on the van, for 
> which I was grateful. I have 4 u-locks securing the bikes and hoped that 
> was enough. It’s truck country in those parts, lots of folks heading to 
> Yellowstone, and they weren’t much interested in bikes. I figured they’d be 
> safe and I was right.
>
> Look at all those baskets!
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jul 18, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Matthew P  > wrote:
>
> 
> I vote for beausage over buying plastic wrappers to put on our bikes and 
> then throw in the ocean...I mean...grocery store "recycling" bin.
>
> Me passing Leah's car with bikes on rack:
> Do-do-dokids bike on rack. Other ones are probably just beach cruisers.
> Oh my lord is that a Rivendell.
> Oh my lord's lord!  There 3 f-ing Rivendells on that car!
> Crash, burn.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 3:57:31 AM UTC-7, ascpgh wrote:
>>
>> 5" packaging stretch wrap on a handle. 
>> https://www.officedepot.com/a/products/444327/Office-Depot-Brand-Stretch-Wrap-Film/
>>
>> I got one of these (mine from Home Depot) for something around here and I 
>> use it for more ways than they could put in the packaging. It's just the 
>> thing for wrapping headsets to prevent highway speed lube blowout/rain 
>> washout, the junction of seatpost to seat tube, saddles to create a 
>> protective cover that won't flutter/fail if you finish it off with nicely 
>> applied piece of packing tape. You can also wrap potential points along the 
>> frame or parts that my rub or be touched others. Not helicopter tape, but 
>> comes off. A little scissors cut (Those Swiss Army Knives) at the edge and 
>> the whole thickness of many wrapped layers can be removed at once. 
>>
>> Also used it to bind stacks of old hardwood flooring curated for later 
>> use, keeping parts of furniture together for transport, as an overwrap to 
>> keep a balm on a foot/ankle instead of soaking into a sock/shoe and to hold 
>> a big gauze on a cleaned and covered abrasion that no self-adhesive 
>> equivalent will fit or stay on longer than five minutes. 
>>
>> The worst "in-transit" beausage I've seen was wheel related (you are 
>> thankfully free from the horror of these with your rack). A wheel's rim 
>> braking surface gouged deeply by a pedal was one. Can't fix that other than 
>> sanding it smooth as functionally possible so the brake pad can pass over 
>> it without grabbing and making a loud "thonk" while still moving.  The 
>> other was a spot-fried until blown out tire of the bike nearest the 
>> exhaust. Not a proximity noticed when loading since most vehicles are 
>> discrete about their exhaust pipes. Then you're going down the road and 
>> hear a gunshot-like sound. You don't immediately see the scorched part of 
>> tire when you stop to look, but that one is flat and wonder how.  When the 
>> other side facing the exhaust is discovered, then you immediately know what 
>> happened and that you'll need a new tire and tube. 
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>> On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 3:56:58 PM UTC-4 Scott G. wrote:
>>
>>> Plastic bags first, then some packaging stretch film, them some clear 
>>> packing tape
>>> to secure the stretch film. Zip tie  the pipe insulation.
>>> I do the above routine for the seat, and shifty bits on the handlebars.
>>> Carry the tape & film with you on the trip, you can make repairs at rest 
>>> stops.
>>> Think like an Egyptian Embalmer, wrap for the ages.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 7:18:14 AM UTC-4 Julian Westerhout wrote:
>>>
>>>> It is time to buy a small enclosed cargo trailer! 
>>>>
>>>> :) 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> For the saddles double plastic bag them, tape the bottom, and then put 
>>>> on a saddle cover so the bags don't shred in the wind. They'll stay dry 
>>>> that way. 
>>>>
>>>> Julian Westerhout
>>>> Bloomington, IL 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 4:08:50 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>

[RBW] For Sale: Swift Zeitgeist (~2018-2019) burgundy, X-Pac, small & large

[Matthew P]

For sale:

X-Pac burgundy Swift Zeitgeist (~2018-2019; before the latest model), small 
and large.

Large has Bagman quick release system and support.

I purchased from Swift as demo/shelf models.  They had them on bikes for a 
photo shoot.
I never used.  They had masking tape on them and I cleaned off the small 
amount of residue (lightly; go over it again with what you're comfortable 
with) left behind.
I'm going with bigger bags.  I would like to keep such nice bags but I've 
overspent lately and better sell to recover funds.

I'm asking:
$190 for the large with the Bagman quick release system and support
$140 for the large bag alone
$80 for the support and quick release
$120 for the small Zeitgeist

I'll ship to CONUS, splitting the shipping with the buyer.

Pics:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/1wFKQcm575moGDX47
https://photos.app.goo.gl/cBbUxJy1Mvon2zKv5
https://photos.app.goo.gl/kcrxpFkFuwn19ZD2A


Thanks
-Matthew






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Re: [RBW] FS: MUSA Atlantis. 56 cm / 650b

[Matthew P]

No problem.
I'm asking $100 shipped to CONUS for the polished Paul touring cantilever 
brakes.  Good condition.  Light use.
-Matthew


On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 1:37:46 PM UTC-7, Lucky wrote:
>
> Can you please email me price for Paul brakes? luckyturnip@gmail dotcom 
>
> Or post here? 
>
> I’m on my phone so if I missed this, my apologies. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Silver brake calipers, Albatross bars, cranks?

[Matthew P]

Hello,

Its the 12 cm reach version of this:
https://www.rivbike.com/collections/stems/products/nitto-lugged-quill-26-0
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Q2xnve11rAnUYARW7
https://photos.app.goo.gl/pPyP8BD1A1XPkPK78

This is what I have for this stuff:
bars.pretty sure they are the albatross.$70
stem.Nitto lugged..$120
grips.Newbaum wrap w/ padding under$5 "installed" ;-)
brake leversShimano$70
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total $265
Buy the bundle and I cover the shipping ($30?) in CONUS.
Or make me an offer on the bundle or pieces.

That lugged stem is pricey.  Rivendell has it at $228 new.
Its cheaper elsewhere so I adjusted.

I also have Paul touring cantilever brakes (polished). $100 shipped CONUS.

-Matthew


On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 2:25:50 PM UTC-7, Jingy wrote:
>
> What's the stem length?
> How much are you thinking? 
>
> On Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 4:18 PM Matthew P  > wrote:
>
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>> Are you interested in this bars-stem-brakelevers combo?
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/JHiCF8a92XpsH4Xv8
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/xHBqWjoiq48a9ovLA
>>
>> I've been meaning to post these for sale.
>>
>> -Matthew
>> San Diego
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, July 9, 2020 at 12:24:02 PM UTC-7, Jingy wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>> I'm looking for some parts for a new build.
>>> Does anyone have a  spare set of Silver brake calipers-allen,  or 
>>> Albatross alloy bars?
>>> Going out on a limb, how about a compact vintagey looking double 175mm 
>>> crankset (Velo Orange?)
>>> How about a 175mm single crankset?
>>> 700c rear fixey wheel, silver box section rim
>>>
>>> Twin cities/midwest area would be ideal
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jim
>>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Silver brake calipers, Albatross bars, cranks?

[Matthew P]

Hi Jim,

Are you interested in this bars-stem-brakelevers combo?
https://photos.app.goo.gl/JHiCF8a92XpsH4Xv8
https://photos.app.goo.gl/xHBqWjoiq48a9ovLA

I've been meaning to post these for sale.

-Matthew
San Diego



On Thursday, July 9, 2020 at 12:24:02 PM UTC-7, Jingy wrote:
>
> Hello,
> I'm looking for some parts for a new build.
> Does anyone have a  spare set of Silver brake calipers-allen,  or 
> Albatross alloy bars?
> Going out on a limb, how about a compact vintagey looking double 175mm 
> crankset (Velo Orange?)
> How about a 175mm single crankset?
> 700c rear fixey wheel, silver box section rim
>
> Twin cities/midwest area would be ideal
>
> Thanks,
> Jim
>

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[RBW] Re: Things I Regret: Beausage on Vacation

[Matthew P]

I vote for beausage over buying plastic wrappers to put on our bikes and 
then throw in the ocean...I mean...grocery store "recycling" bin.

Me passing Leah's car with bikes on rack:
Do-do-dokids bike on rack. Other ones are probably just beach cruisers.
Oh my lord is that a Rivendell.
Oh my lord's lord!  There 3 f-ing Rivendells on that car!
Crash, burn.



On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 3:57:31 AM UTC-7, ascpgh wrote:
>
> 5" packaging stretch wrap on a handle. 
> https://www.officedepot.com/a/products/444327/Office-Depot-Brand-Stretch-Wrap-Film/
>
> I got one of these (mine from Home Depot) for something around here and I 
> use it for more ways than they could put in the packaging. It's just the 
> thing for wrapping headsets to prevent highway speed lube blowout/rain 
> washout, the junction of seatpost to seat tube, saddles to create a 
> protective cover that won't flutter/fail if you finish it off with nicely 
> applied piece of packing tape. You can also wrap potential points along the 
> frame or parts that my rub or be touched others. Not helicopter tape, but 
> comes off. A little scissors cut (Those Swiss Army Knives) at the edge and 
> the whole thickness of many wrapped layers can be removed at once. 
>
> Also used it to bind stacks of old hardwood flooring curated for later 
> use, keeping parts of furniture together for transport, as an overwrap to 
> keep a balm on a foot/ankle instead of soaking into a sock/shoe and to hold 
> a big gauze on a cleaned and covered abrasion that no self-adhesive 
> equivalent will fit or stay on longer than five minutes. 
>
> The worst "in-transit" beausage I've seen was wheel related (you are 
> thankfully free from the horror of these with your rack). A wheel's rim 
> braking surface gouged deeply by a pedal was one. Can't fix that other than 
> sanding it smooth as functionally possible so the brake pad can pass over 
> it without grabbing and making a loud "thonk" while still moving.  The 
> other was a spot-fried until blown out tire of the bike nearest the 
> exhaust. Not a proximity noticed when loading since most vehicles are 
> discrete about their exhaust pipes. Then you're going down the road and 
> hear a gunshot-like sound. You don't immediately see the scorched part of 
> tire when you stop to look, but that one is flat and wonder how.  When the 
> other side facing the exhaust is discovered, then you immediately know what 
> happened and that you'll need a new tire and tube. 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
> On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 3:56:58 PM UTC-4 Scott G. wrote:
>
>> Plastic bags first, then some packaging stretch film, them some clear 
>> packing tape
>> to secure the stretch film. Zip tie  the pipe insulation.
>> I do the above routine for the seat, and shifty bits on the handlebars.
>> Carry the tape & film with you on the trip, you can make repairs at rest 
>> stops.
>> Think like an Egyptian Embalmer, wrap for the ages.
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 7:18:14 AM UTC-4 Julian Westerhout wrote:
>>
>>> It is time to buy a small enclosed cargo trailer! 
>>>
>>> :) 
>>>
>>>
>>> For the saddles double plastic bag them, tape the bottom, and then put 
>>> on a saddle cover so the bags don't shred in the wind. They'll stay dry 
>>> that way. 
>>>
>>> Julian Westerhout
>>> Bloomington, IL 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 4:08:50 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:

 Every year I point the van north and drive from Vegas to small town 
 North Dakota, and the lakes country of Minnesota. And every year I drag 
 3-4 
 bikes along with us on a Saris rack. I’ve gone through several different 
 bikes in the past several years (the kids are growing, I switched to That 
 Clem Life, etc) so I’ve never found an exact formula to make the bikes fit 
 perfectly. This year I hauled my new ln 52 cm Clementine (2019 
 geo), the old 1st gen 52 cm blue Clem H, #theClemRider’s  little 45 cm 
 2018 
 Clem H, and Baby Bear’s 24 inch Specialized Hot Rock.

 I never regret bringing my bikes, but I do admit I lament that they 
 come back to Vegas in poorer condition than when they left. We always get 
 caught in a rainstorm at some point, and usually more than once. After 
 that 
 I always notice creaking where there hadn’t been, rust on the heads of 
 bolts or inside the braze-ons. I usually have new scuffs from the bikes 
 knocking together on the rack, dirt and grit where I hadn’t had it before. 
 One year I drove to a shooting range on 20 miles’ worth of gravel roads 
 and 
 the bikes were completely trashed at a level you can’t fathom. The Betty 
 Foy (now sold) had a permanent ugly mark on the top tube where the arm bar 
 of the rack had mashed the cable into the paint.

 You would think I would learn and get this dialed in but I never really 
 do. This year was really something - when was the last time you 

Re: [RBW] Re: anyone know how to figure out Tire Radius/rim radius?

[Matthew P]

https://bikecounterculture.com/2017/08/17/bike-wheel-diameter-calculator/

mouse over the points



On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 1:35:12 PM UTC-7, Joel Stern wrote:
>
> Thanks Benz. 
>
> On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 4:19 PM Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA <
> benzo...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 1:00:50 PM UTC-7, Ted Durant wrote:
>>  
>>
>>> The old Avocet Cyclometer prescribed method: Set the front wheel so the 
>>> valve stem is at the very bottom and mark a line on the ground at the 
>>> center of the tire contact patch, where the valve stem is. Ride the bike 
>>> forward in a straight line one revolution of the front wheel, and mark 
>>> another line where the center of the contact patch (and the valve stem) now 
>>> are. Measure the distance between the two marks. Divide that distance by 
>>> 2*Pi, and that's your radius. (For more accuracy, repeat that measurement 
>>> several times and take the average.). It's possible to put a chalk line on 
>>> your tire and do this yourself, without help.
>>>
>>
>> A trick to Ted's method is to mark the tire with a thin line of chalk, so 
>> the ground will be marked by the chalk as the tire rolls over the mark. 
>> Also, your error will be lower if you do two or more revolutions of the 
>> wheel instead of one, and lower the tire pressure such that it approximates 
>> the sidewall droop when a nominal load is applied, but that's bordering on 
>> OCD.
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Re: [RBW] FS: MUSA Atlantis. 56 cm / 650b

[Matthew P]

The bike sold in June.
and again since then so I think its time I update this post.

I have some parts from it if you're interested (see photos of them on the 
bike here
pics https://photos.app.goo.gl/zcQSxtk8sYFYoMmZ9

bars - I think they are the Albatross
stem - Nitto lugged
grips - Newbaum wrap w/ padding under
brake levers - Shimano

brakes - Paul cantilever

wheels - 650b/27.5" Handbuilt Wheels by Rich Lesnik (Rivendell) w/ Velocity 
Atlas rims, rear Shimano Deore XT hub, front Shimano dyno hub

Tires - 2.35" Schwalbe Magic Mary (front) & Nobby Nic (rear) set up tubeless
I also have available: 
- 2.1" Thunder Burts (in the first 6 pics in the link), and 
- 2.25" WTB Trail Boss, Fast Rolling/Tough.

Thanks
-Matthew
San Diego

On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 8:09:04 PM UTC-7, Drw wrote:
>
> I’ll also just chime in and say I also have a 56cm 650b MUSA Atlantis with 
> longish but not super long chainstays. It’s the best bike I’ve ever owned. 
>  Unless it didn’t fit, I can’t imagine anyone regretting this. 

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[RBW] Re: Park Tool power lift shop stand free for pickup in San Diego

[Matthew P]

We got two of these into the hands of two shops working on a lot of ebikes.
Thank you.

On Friday, May 22, 2020 at 12:12:24 PM UTC-7, Matthew P wrote:
>
> Hello Riv-ers,
> There is a Park Tool power lift shop stand that is available free for 
> pickup in San Diego.
> https://www.parktool.com/product/power-lift-shop-stand-prs-33-2
> Local bike shops have declined to take it.
> Contact me if you are interested.
> -Matthew
>

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[RBW] Re: Pedals

[Matthew P]

Glad to see this thread as this has been on my mind.

+1 for Lynn's desire to keep the foot in contact with the pedal.

I've been a flat pedal, casual rider through and through.
Then about 2 years ago I decided to set up a bike as a fixie (per 
recommendation from Sheldon Brown's site).
That prompted the velcro straps, which I also used on a tour or two (not 
fixed).
I've also used clips: toe clips/basket with a strap.
At some point I realized I was doing what the clipless pedal system does 
but just worse.
In my opinion, if any straps or clips are going to keep your foot 
completely stuck to the pedal, then you are probably limiting blood flow to 
the foot, and making it very difficult to get the foot out.
So I went clipless on the fixie, and now I'd like to do the same on my 
main/touring bike.

I've been using the MKS Sneakers (RMX) pedals. They're nice but I've had a 
foot slip off, and bike swerve, while riding loaded in the rain.
I don't want that to happen when the semi brushes by.

I've also been thinking/learning how I need good grip on my shoes because 
when the trail is too steep to climb on the bike, I have a hell of a time 
pushing the loaded bike up the trail in my sneakers...
said sneakers which have all of their previously insufficient tread 
worn off from the pedals.

I found some shoes that look great for hike-a-biking, but why pay $100 just 
to have my pedals wear the shoes slick?

So I finally got a pair of Shimano SH-MT22 shoes in my size.
The current plan is to go clipless with those on trips.
(I'll still commute in sneakers).
But to also put microspikes on my shoes that are compatible with clipless 
pedals & shoes, when on trails.
Like one of the options here: 
https://www.gearx.com/accessories/winter-traction-devices
It seems to be a matter of having one of those with no spikes where the 
pedal axle is and a clipless pedal with a bit of a platform to clear 
whatever bit of chain is where the axle lies.
Perhaps a bad idea, but a bad idea I'm going to pursue.
And the SH-MT22's were only like $30 off ebay and the microspikes $30-70 
and perhaps I have a system that works and lasts.

Does anyone have any Shimano/SPD pedals they recommend for this or in 
general (I'll refer back to what has already been recommended in this 
thread) or want to sell?

Flats all my life and now overcomplicating things, again,
-Matthew in San Diego

P.S. Kent, I'll read your blogpost soon.  Looks substantial.



On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 6:08:42 PM UTC-7, Lynn Haas wrote:
>
> SPDs here, usually M520s, although right now I have some dual-sided ones 
> because I had romantic visions of hopping on my bike to run short errands 
> in sneakers. Turns out, I rarely run short errands via bike and switching 
> shoes is not a problem. The flat side of the pedal is further down than the 
> SPD side and makes me hyperextend my leg. I also rarely wear sneakers but 
> that's another story.
>
> I have a gimpy hip and the clipless pedals keep my leg from flopping 
> around. We have lots of bikes with flat pedals at work, and I've learned 
> the hard way to stay off of them if I want to be able to walk the next day. 
> I'm glad (but also sad) to hear that other people ride clipless for the 
> same reason.
>
> Lynn
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: Atlantis 61cm Frame and Fork

[Matthew P]

I love that mustard color.  I hope to have a bike in that color.  The 
double TT Appaloosa would be cool, or the 52 cm Clem.

Matthew,
Did you grab the Atlantis from Rene and then bargain with it for the 
Appaloosa from Edwin?

Curious of the Riv wheelin' an' dealin',
-Matthew
San Diego


On Monday, June 1, 2020 at 10:07:08 AM UTC-7, Matthew Williams wrote:
>
> I've sent you a PM!
>
>
>
> On Friday, February 7, 2020 at 3:04:02 PM UTC-8, Edwin W wrote:
>>
>> I have always wanted a single top tube green Atlantis. If you have one 
>> for sale, let me know!
>>
>> I am not expecting a trade, but I do have a 58cm mustard double top tube 
>> Joe Appaloosa for a trade if someone has an Atlantis and wants longer 
>> chainstays and an extra top tube.
>> Check it out: 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/90785999@N06/46909731481/in/dateposted-friend/
>>
>> Edwin in Nashville
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Reunited State of America tee - large - $10

[Matthew P]

I just kind of like the design.  
There is a New Orleans flag that is a take on the stars and stripes that i 
love (and have somewhere).

Paul, what are your height and weight?
I am 5'11" 145 and can go medium or large.
Is this big for a large?

Thanks
-Matthew
San Diego

On Friday, May 22, 2020 at 6:00:21 PM UTC-7, Paul Richardson wrote:
>
> I'm referring to the shirt mentioned in the most recent blahg.
>
> Turns out I wear a medium and rather than return this large to Rivelo I 
> figured I'd see if anyone here is interested.  Brand new, didn't even try 
> it on, just trying to recoup a little dough to put toward the proper size.
>
> First $10 (or more if ya feel like it) and I'll ship it to ya.
>
> thanks
> paul
> takoma park, md.
>

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[RBW] Park Tool power lift shop stand free for pickup in San Diego

[Matthew P]

Hello Riv-ers,
There is a Park Tool power lift shop stand that is available free for 
pickup in San Diego.
https://www.parktool.com/product/power-lift-shop-stand-prs-33-2
Local bike shops have declined to take it.
Contact me if you are interested.
-Matthew

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Re: [RBW] FS: MUSA Atlantis. 56 cm / 650b

[Matthew P]

Thanks Nate!
Yes, I have 2.35" Knobby Nicks and Magic Mary's on the 56 cm 650b so G Ones 
measuring 2.4" fitting I believe.
In my response to Karl I mentioned a 58 cm Atlantis that also differs from 
my and Nate's 56's in that it was Toyo made, 700c.
I'm trying to get a finger on its max tire width.  The latest Atlantis 
seems to max out at 700c x 2.2"
https://theradavist.com/2019/01/ultra-romance-and-his-rivendell-atlantis-mountain-bike/
-Matthew
P.S. Buy Andrew's Clem  :-)



On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 4:49:40 PM UTC-7, Andrew Huston wrote:
>
> Someone buy my Clem and I'll get this thread closed out!
>
> On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 7:34:28 PM UTC-4, Nate in Oakland wrote:
>>
>> I just measured my g-one speeds (on my 56 650b musa Atlantis) at 2.4 
>> inches with my calipers.
>>
>> Nate
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] FS: MUSA Atlantis. 56 cm / 650b

[Matthew P]

*Price drop on the complete bike to $2800 OBO* before I sell the frame & 
fork and part out the rest.
pics https://photos.app.goo.gl/zcQSxtk8sYFYoMmZ9
Thanks.

On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 6:59:47 AM UTC-7, Matthew P wrote:
>
> Greetings.
> I'm offering to sell this *frame & fork for $1400*.
> The original owner paid about $2500 as a special order built by Waterford.
> I paid $3000 for the complete bike.
> Let me know if you are interested.
> Thanks.
> -Matthew
> San Diego
>
>
> On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 2:09:24 PM UTC-7, Matthew P wrote:
>>
>> Good eye ted!  I gave a double look at that and should have checked.
>>
>> correction -
>> standover, cm: 82.65
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 1:27:39 PM UTC-7, ted wrote:
>>>
>>> Looks to me like you got the stand over from the 53 row.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: sturdy wheelset, 61cm Roadini frame, Gravelking EXTs, Brooks C15, handlebar bag, etc.

[Matthew P]

Is the C15 Cambium the wide one?  I can't remember and couldn't easily find 
this on the Brooks site.
Thanks.

On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 8:54:25 PM UTC-7, Matt Dreher wrote:
>
> Frame remains unsold!
>
> On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 9:11:32 PM UTC-5, Matt Dreher wrote:
>>
>> Some riv-ish (like the frame, obviously), some not, but I still think it 
>> belongs here. Feel free to make an offer, particularly if you want to buy 
>> multiple things along with the frame. I've been trying to sell the thing 
>> but nobody's quite biting yet... pictures of everything on request. 
>> Shipping included.
>>
>>
>>- 2x Gravelking EXT, 700x35 brownwall, very lightly used: $50 for the 
>>pair
>>- Wheelset: 700c Alexrims G6000 on RS400 (Tiagra) hubs, 36-spoke 
>>front and rear, all-silver: $120
>>- Brooks Cambium C15 carved, dark grey: $40
>>- Fizik Antares FSX, chartreuse/purple test saddle: $30
>>- Nitto B136 bars, 26.0 clamp, 40cm: $35
>>- Campagnolo Nuovo Record derailleur, new Shimano pulleys, like-new 
>>condition: $40
>>- Blackburn Wayside handlebar bag, used: $25
>>- La Vie Claire "Mondrian" jersey replica from onlinecyclinggear.com, 
>>2XL, lightly used: $20
>>- Rivendell Roadini frame/fork/headset/seatpost, 61cm, normal wear 
>>from a year's use but slightly crunchy headset: $500
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: beautifying beausage: caring for worn paint

[Matthew P]

Excellent George.  
Those sound like great suggestions for different types of paint wear.  
If I can't get a small amount of helicopter tape (interested to look this 
up) for a decent price, I'll contact you.
Thank you.

On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 1:01:28 PM UTC-7, George Schick wrote:
>
> There was a blog post along similar lines a few months ago where a rider 
> had received a brand new frame that had scratches on the top tube and he 
> wanted to know the best way to remove them.  He ultimately took the frame 
> to an auto detailer (a good idea if you have no experience using various 
> rubbing or polishing compounds!)  However, one suggestion that was posted 
> was to use Mequiar's Ultimate Compound to rescue the paint.  I bought some 
> of this and it's a great suggestion.  But if the right chain stay, which 
> seems to be your biggest issue, is too pitted up from chain slap marks, you 
> may have to repaint or at least touch it up.  When you've finally decided 
> what you want to do with that, then cover it with "helicopter tape" to 
> protect it from future damage.  If you need a piece of that stuff to finish 
> the job, let me know.  I have plenty of extra leftover from my application 
> and I'd be glad to send you some of it.
>
>
> On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 1:23:30 PM UTC-5, Matthew P wrote:
>>
>> While on the topic of paint, what does one do, other than just enjoy it, 
>> when the bike's paint has "plenty of beausage"?
>>
>> I'm building an Atlantis whose paint has some wear.  The areas where the 
>> chain ate the paint are really the problem, although perhaps my approach 
>> helps protect those places.
>>
>> There are spots on this frame where it looks like you can see the 
>> clearcoat separate from the paint underneath.  I'd just like for those 
>> parts to blend a little better and give the paint an overall cleaner look, 
>> just "smooth things out" if possible.  Not repaint.  Not even touch it up 
>> (although I am interested in getting some Atlantis Russian submarine 
>> interior green touch up paint, if the people in the know see this).
>>
>> I'm thinking I'll try waxing it, which would at least protect the paint & 
>> metal some, if it doesn't make it look better.  
>>
>> I assume a rubbing compound would be too much, would strip away too much 
>> clear coat and paint.
>>
>> Would a buffing compound be appropriate?
>>
>> I have little experience with paint care, clearly.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> -Matthew
>> San Diego
>>
>

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[RBW] beautifying beausage: caring for worn paint

[Matthew P]

While on the topic of paint, what does one do, other than just enjoy it, 
when the bike's paint has "plenty of beausage"?

I'm building an Atlantis whose paint has some wear.  The areas where the 
chain ate the paint are really the problem, although perhaps my approach 
helps protect those places.

There are spots on this frame where it looks like you can see the clearcoat 
separate from the paint underneath.  I'd just like for those parts to blend 
a little better and give the paint an overall cleaner look, just "smooth 
things out" if possible.  Not repaint.  Not even touch it up (although I am 
interested in getting some Atlantis Russian submarine interior green touch 
up paint, if the people in the know see this).

I'm thinking I'll try waxing it, which would at least protect the paint & 
metal some, if it doesn't make it look better.  

I assume a rubbing compound would be too much, would strip away too much 
clear coat and paint.

Would a buffing compound be appropriate?

I have little experience with paint care, clearly.

Thanks.
-Matthew
San Diego

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[RBW] Re: Frame color!

[Matthew P]

I'll gush...

I agree about the classy classic black with white details. Semigloss even 
better.  Those Rivs with can hang out with the classics.

There was a Rosco Bubbe that had something like a flat sage green that I 
liked a lot.  The flat/matte finish is like the gray that comes to mind 
when you all say battleship gray.
I'm thinking of a gray that is so matte that its perhaps inconsistent, 
almost sandy, like some parts are showing a coating of dried sea spray.

I absolutely love the butterscotch color that went on some of the Clems.  I 
stare at a small, older Mercedes in that color a few blocks away...and I'm 
not even a car guy!

I saw a Bombadil in something like a copper.  I think there's one in a Riv 
YouTube video.  Lovely.

But just last week I happened upon stonehog.com and found pics of Brian 
Hanson's Homer in something like "light new penny copper" and that might be 
my favorite paint of all time.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/stonehog/46788241224/in/photostream/

-Matthew
San Diego

On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 9:03:04 AM UTC-7, Jason Fuller wrote:
>
> Myself, I'd probably want to paint it after a classic bike I've been 
> inspired by (Riv or not) so the colour has context, rather than just one I 
> like the look of.
>
> But what about this vintage machinery green:
> https://images.app.goo.gl/NP2K6S87MsJrpdpq6
> (Hope that works)
>
>

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Re: [RBW] FS: MUSA Atlantis. 56 cm / 650b

[Matthew P]

Greetings.
I'm offering to sell this *frame & fork for $1400*.
The original owner paid about $2500 as a special order built by Waterford.
I paid $3000 for the complete bike.
Let me know if you are interested.
Thanks.
-Matthew
San Diego


On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 2:09:24 PM UTC-7, Matthew P wrote:
>
> Good eye ted!  I gave a double look at that and should have checked.
>
> correction -
> standover, cm: 82.65
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 1:27:39 PM UTC-7, ted wrote:
>>
>> Looks to me like you got the stand over from the 53 row.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Best of Boneshaker 50%

[Matthew P]

Thank you!  I hadn't heard of Boneshaker before.  Judging from their site, 
what a find.  
I bought the book + best-of bundle as quick as my WiFi and ADD allowed.
-Matthew
San Diego

On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 3:10:50 PM UTC-7, Kent Peterson -- Eugene, 
Oregon wrote:
>
> Thanks for posting this. I ordered both the novel & the best of.
>
> Kent Peterson
> Eugene, OR USA
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Re: [RBW] FS: MUSA Atlantis. 56 cm / 650b

[Matthew P]

Good eye ted!  I gave a double look at that and should have checked.

correction -
standover, cm: 82.65

Thanks!

On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 1:27:39 PM UTC-7, ted wrote:
>
> Looks to me like you got the stand over from the 53 row.

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Re: [RBW] FS: MUSA Atlantis. 56 cm / 650b

[Matthew P]

Here are some rough measurements made with a tape measure on this Waterford 
Atlantis.
I give the measurement from the Riv 2017 geo chart in parentheses when 
available. 
Assume any discrepancies are my own error.

seat tube: 56 cm (vs. 56 cm)
top tube: 57 cm (vs. 57.7 eff. tt)
down tube: 62.25 cm
chain stay: 47.25 cm (vs. 47.5 cm)


Here are the numbers for this frame pulled from that Riv geo chart I 
originally attached: 

frame: Atlantis
size:  56cm/650b
bb drop, mm: 67
top tube slope: 3
rear hub space, mm: 135
stand over, cm: 79.76
st angle: 71.5
ht angle: 71
rake, cm: 5.2
eff. tt, cm: 57.7
front center: 61.76
chain stay, cm: 47.5
wheel size: 584/650b
max tire size: 650b x 2.1"
eff. brake reach: -
brake style: canti/v
double tt?: no
stack, mm: 583
reach, mm: 381


-Matthew



On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 12:42:04 PM UTC-7, Mike Williams wrote:
>
> Ahh.  Yes,  I shoulda figured that.   
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 2, 2020, at 2:48 PM, Matthew P  > wrote:
>
> 
> Thanks Joe and thanks for the catch Mike.
>
> WATERFORD, not Walt Works
>
> -Matthew
>
>
> On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 11:26:21 AM UTC-7, Mike Williams wrote:
>>
>> Whoa!  Did I read that correct?  A MUSA built Waltworks Atlantis?  Only 
>> of its kind?   Interesting.   -Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 2, 2020, at 1:30 PM, Matthew P  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Dear RBW Owners,
>>
>> I am selling a 56 cm 650b MUSA Atlantis.  It's geometry is listed in the 
>> attachment.  I bought it off the RBW list on Februry 1st from the original 
>> owner (Brencho).  He said he got it a few years back, around 2017, when the 
>> new geometries were coming out.  But he got this as a special order, with 
>> the "older" MUSA Atlantis geometry.  And it is a MUSA, made by Waltworks.  
>> I jumped on it because I never see Atlantises for sale and thought this was 
>> the perfect size for me.  It turns out to be a little small.  I was 
>> thinking of keeping it as a trail bike, so I put 2.35" tires on it, set up 
>> tubeless.
>>
>> I am 5'11" with a 86 cm PBH.  In case it helps, in Surly units, I ride a 
>> 56 cm Surly Long Haul Trucker with ample room to spare.  This 56 cm 
>> Atlantis is smaller - most or all of the tubes are shorter than that bike - 
>> and the Atlantis has smaller wheels (650b vs 700c).
>>
>> This Atlantis is a premium build.  Here is some info:
>>
>> bars - I think they are the Albatross
>> stem - Nitto lugged
>> shifters - Shimano bar end
>> grips - Newbaum wrap w/ padding under
>> brakes - Paul cantilever
>> brake levers - Shimano
>> wheels - 650b/27.5" Handbuilt Wheels by Rich Lesnik (Rivendell) w/ 
>> Velocity Atlas rims, rear Shimano XT hub, front Shimano dyno hub
>> Cranks - Sugino triple
>> Derailers - Shimano XT
>> Tires - 2.35" Schwalbe Magic Mary (front) & Nobby Nic (rear) set up 
>> tubeless
>> I also have available: 
>> - 2.1" Thunder Burts, and 
>> - 2.25" WTB Trail Boss, Fast Rolling/Tough.
>> seatpost - Nitto S83 (2 bolts)
>> saddle - A cheapo I put on after buying it with no saddle. Can include or 
>> take off.
>> pedals - nice metal flat pedals but the name is rubbed off so I'm not 
>> sure who made them.  I'd like to keep them if you don't want them.
>>
>> The bike was basically brand new when I got it in January.  I've ridden 
>> it about 20 times.  Its in great shape.  There is just one significant 
>> scratch on the NDS chainstay (bad pic in link).  Its not the only scratch 
>> but I think its the worst.  
>>
>> Here is a link to an album of photos: 
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/zcQSxtk8sYFYoMmZ9
>> Please let me know if that does not work or otherwise.
>>
>> I put the 2.35" tires on it and paid to get them setup tubeless, so I put 
>> about $150 into it.  I used it just a little and put a little money into it 
>> so I'm asking what I paid: $3000.  I suggest we split the shipping.  PayPal 
>> fees are $87 when sending $3000 "to a friend", so I would like to try 
>> another payment method - bank transfer or mail a money order (if that is 
>> safe)?
>>
>> Please let me know if you are interested or have any questions.
>>
>> Thank you.
>> -Matthew
>> San Diego
>>
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Re: [RBW] FS: MUSA Atlantis. 56 cm / 650b

[Matthew P]

Thanks Joe and thanks for the catch Mike.

WATERFORD, not Walt Works

-Matthew


On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 11:26:21 AM UTC-7, Mike Williams wrote:
>
> Whoa!  Did I read that correct?  A MUSA built Waltworks Atlantis?  Only of 
> its kind?   Interesting.   -Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 2, 2020, at 1:30 PM, Matthew P  > wrote:
>
> 
> Dear RBW Owners,
>
> I am selling a 56 cm 650b MUSA Atlantis.  It's geometry is listed in the 
> attachment.  I bought it off the RBW list on Februry 1st from the original 
> owner (Brencho).  He said he got it a few years back, around 2017, when the 
> new geometries were coming out.  But he got this as a special order, with 
> the "older" MUSA Atlantis geometry.  And it is a MUSA, made by Waltworks.  
> I jumped on it because I never see Atlantises for sale and thought this was 
> the perfect size for me.  It turns out to be a little small.  I was 
> thinking of keeping it as a trail bike, so I put 2.35" tires on it, set up 
> tubeless.
>
> I am 5'11" with a 86 cm PBH.  In case it helps, in Surly units, I ride a 
> 56 cm Surly Long Haul Trucker with ample room to spare.  This 56 cm 
> Atlantis is smaller - most or all of the tubes are shorter than that bike - 
> and the Atlantis has smaller wheels (650b vs 700c).
>
> This Atlantis is a premium build.  Here is some info:
>
> bars - I think they are the Albatross
> stem - Nitto lugged
> shifters - Shimano bar end
> grips - Newbaum wrap w/ padding under
> brakes - Paul cantilever
> brake levers - Shimano
> wheels - 650b/27.5" Handbuilt Wheels by Rich Lesnik (Rivendell) w/ 
> Velocity Atlas rims, rear Shimano XT hub, front Shimano dyno hub
> Cranks - Sugino triple
> Derailers - Shimano XT
> Tires - 2.35" Schwalbe Magic Mary (front) & Nobby Nic (rear) set up 
> tubeless
> I also have available: 
> - 2.1" Thunder Burts, and 
> - 2.25" WTB Trail Boss, Fast Rolling/Tough.
> seatpost - Nitto S83 (2 bolts)
> saddle - A cheapo I put on after buying it with no saddle. Can include or 
> take off.
> pedals - nice metal flat pedals but the name is rubbed off so I'm not sure 
> who made them.  I'd like to keep them if you don't want them.
>
> The bike was basically brand new when I got it in January.  I've ridden it 
> about 20 times.  Its in great shape.  There is just one significant scratch 
> on the NDS chainstay (bad pic in link).  Its not the only scratch but I 
> think its the worst.  
>
> Here is a link to an album of photos: 
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/zcQSxtk8sYFYoMmZ9
> Please let me know if that does not work or otherwise.
>
> I put the 2.35" tires on it and paid to get them setup tubeless, so I put 
> about $150 into it.  I used it just a little and put a little money into it 
> so I'm asking what I paid: $3000.  I suggest we split the shipping.  PayPal 
> fees are $87 when sending $3000 "to a friend", so I would like to try 
> another payment method - bank transfer or mail a money order (if that is 
> safe)?
>
> Please let me know if you are interested or have any questions.
>
> Thank you.
> -Matthew
> San Diego
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Clem Smith Jr Disc 59

[Matthew P]

Beautiful Chris.  
I like the bars (Hunter-Nitto Smooth Moves?) and tires too. 
Is that a 58 cm - 700c ?  Or a 56 cm - 650b?  And are the Thunderburts 2.1" 
or 2.25" wide, or other?  
Do you have more info on it posted anywhere else?  Or please share here all 
you'd like.
I'll have to check out Clockwork.

I have a 56 cm - 650b MUSA Atlantis with 2.35" Nobby Nic's and Magic Mary's 
(front and back or the other way around).
And I have a 58 cm - 700c Toyo Atlantis arriving next week.  
The 56 cm Atlantis is rideable but smaller than ideal, I think.  Hence the 
58 cm.  One will be for (re-)sale soon.

I'm curious how wide a tire I can fit on the 58 cm - 700c Toyo.  I'd like 
to maybe get above 2.2" wide, but above that, I think I'd want the wheel to 
be 650b.
That is the main driver for my interest in going to disc brakes - to change 
wheel sizes, and less so to maybe not fatigue my hands braking all day wet, 
loaded, offroad etc.
Something like 700c x 40-50mm smoothish tires for the road and 650b x 
2.2-2.4" for trails would be nice.

Thanks all for the great info.
-Matthew
San Diego 
  

On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 11:15:32 AM UTC-7, chris feczko wrote:
>
>
> This is my disc modded Atlantis. Purchased form a list member a while ago 
> and I finally had it almost built up. Fork is custom from Clockwork. 
>
>
>
>> [image: IMG_1935.JPG]
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[RBW] Re: FS: Clem Smith Jr Disc 59

[Matthew P]

I would also like to know how much it cost to get the disc tabs put on, and 
any feedback on that.

Did it include paint?  Was that vertical piece under the rear tab added?

Is Waltworks the best option for this?  Perhaps I'll start a new thread.

I'm interested in getting disc tabs on an Atlantis, for the braking, but 
perhaps more so that I can fit & swap wider tires at 650b and not as wide 
at 700c.

Thank you.
-Matthew
San Diego


On Friday, March 13, 2020 at 7:26:18 AM UTC-7, Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
> I would be buying this if it were a size 52. Out of curiosity, do you have 
> any pics of it built up, and how much did it cost to get the disc tabs 
> welded on? 

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Home Office Edition. Rivendell Custom, Atlantis, Hunqapillar, Wheels

[Matthew P]

Hi Karl,

I'm interested in the Atlantis.  I sent a private this morning.  I don't 
know if it went through and I can't find a trace of it.
Feel free to private message me back with anything else you can tell me 
about it.  Does it include a headset and bottom bracket?

Thank you
-MatthewPendergraft *at* *G*oogle *mail*er *dot*ted *com*muincations


On Wednesday, March 18, 2020 at 4:00:42 PM UTC-7, Karl wrote:
>
> Took me a minute! 
> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/409839826/offset-bicycle-wheel-storage
>
> Karl
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[RBW] Re: Looking for a 700 x 50 commuting tire

[Matthew P]

I just put on 700c x 2" Schwalbe Big Apples a few rides back. They feel 
different than the Riddler 45's I was riding, in a way I can't put my finger 
on, but they're fine.
- Matthew

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[RBW] Re: FS: Home Office Edition. Rivendell Custom, Atlantis, Hunqapillar, Wheels

[Matthew P]

Hi Karl,

Is that a TOYO, MUSA, or MIT Atlantis? What else can you tell us about it?

Thank you.
-Matthew
On a 56 cm Atlantis that might be too small

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[RBW] Re: Widest wide range double chainring setup? How wide is too wide?

[Matthew P]

Thanks for the responses.  Great stuff.

The triple with a guard on the big ring presents a conundrum for me.  If I 
have a triple crankset, then it is probably most useful as a triple.  
Yet, I don't think I need a triple; a double can do the job, while 
simplifying.  But I don't want a "crippled triple" - a triple with the big 
ring taken away.

Highlighting the importance of the cassette is a great call, and I hope 
wider ranges become more commonplace and less pricey.

The high gears and big cassette ring are not the crucial point for me.  
Yes, I'd like to get over 38 T on the big ring.  I get to the 46/11 
combination on my touring bike somewhat regularly in hilly San Diego.
But about 40-48 T is fine for the big(gest) ring.  Anywhere in there.

More tricky is the low end: how to have a small ring up front that isn't 
just for climbing, but to still be able to climb.  This is where the wide 
range cassette seems to be most useful.

Thank you Abe (& James @ Analog Cycles) for the link to the Turkey Vulture 
Supreme gearing 

 article.  
I think its right on.
I was unaware of Middleburn and had only heard of a derailer clutc; I 
didn't know what it does or that apparently the SRAM version is better than 
Shimano (thoughts?).

Take care all.
-Matthew
(formerly MAP, my initials, but no longer, to not confuse with MAP Cycles)
San Diego


On Saturday, March 14, 2020 at 10:22:36 AM UTC-7, Pancake wrote:
>
> Thanks to recommendations on this list (and from looking at Analog's 
> article 
> )
>  
> I ended up with:
> 46/30 front rings on Velo Orange double crankset with Shimano RX100 
> derailleur
> 11-40t sunrace cassette 9 speed with Shimano XT long cage derailleur (the 
> LX also worked)
>
> *Huge range (exactly the same as my prior 46/36/24 triple and 11-34t 
> cassette*), normal and widely available derailleurs/cassette, and similar 
> cranksets can be found for less than $100 (though not at pretty as this 
> shiny VO model that's not available anymore). 
>
> When cross chained small front, small rear, there's a chain rub on the 
> teeth of the large chainring which some .6mm spacers will eventually 
> correct, but for now it doesn't happen that I'm ever cross chained that way 
> so no problem!
>
> Abe "in a valley where he wants range for flats and hills"
>
> On Friday, March 13, 2020 at 11:41:37 AM UTC-7, James / Analog Cycles 
> wrote:
>>
>> We've run 46/20 with a 12-36 out back with fine success.  Middleburn lets 
>> you run a 110 big ring, no middle ring and 58 bcd granny gear for said 
>> combo.  Friction shifts fine with TA rings.  The resulting gear range is 
>> super wide.  690% gear range.  
>>
>> -James / Analog Cycles / Tanglefoot Cycles / Fifth Season Canvas / 
>> Discord Components
>>
>> On Friday, March 5, 2010 at 5:38:42 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm running Ritchey/Sugino cranks on my Hillborne and another set
>>> waiting for me to pay off my Bombadil.  These are 94/58mm bolt circle
>>> cranks.  I love them and would but 5 more sets in 172.5 if I could.
>>> They both came with 22/32/42 chainrings.  I am running the Hilborne
>>> right now as a wider range triple:  22/34/46.  The cranks that are
>>> going on to the Bombadil were last used as a double on a cyclocross
>>> bike and worked great with a 30/44 with Campy ergo brifters.  I'm
>>> wondering what's the biggest jump on a double you've run.  Kevens
>>> dream Bomba has a 24/40, for 16t of jump.  34/50 is standard on
>>> compact road cranks nowadays.  I'm thinking of trying a 46/29 on these
>>> Ritchey arms.  I've never run TA or TA-style cranks that I think allow
>>> even more flexibility.  Has anyone ever run a 20+ tooth jump between
>>> two chainrings?
>>>
>>

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