[RBW] Re: Subtle, insidious seatpost slippage on my Clem H driving me crazy

[Scott McLain]

I like the suggestions above.  It used to be a standard practice with a new 
frame to take sand paper to the INSIDE of your seat tube to remove any 
burrs or bits that may have been left in there when they fabricated the 
frame.  I am sure there are people on this group that would be able to 
suggest the right grit emory cloth or sandpaper.  I would guess something 
around 200 grit.  That may provide just enough "bite" to solve your problem 
without defacing your seatpost.

I have also had a problem with my Albatross bars slipping down over time.  
I put blue lock-tight between the bar and the stem clamp and that solved 
the problem.  I also had a problem with the nose of my seat wanting to 
creep up.  I also solved that with blue lock-tight and a little sanding on 
my seat post parts that were slipping.  Not sure the blue lock-tight is the 
right solution on the seat tube where it is dissimilar metals and it is 
meant to move up and down.

Scott

On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 3:59:58 PM UTC-6 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:

> As David H suggested, carbon fiber paste, or anti seize lube. It's just 
> gritty enough to stop the slippage.
>
> On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 1:37:52 PM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:
>
>> You don't appreciate this 'feature' of the automatic dropper post? ;)
>>
>> Yup, I had this issue occur on my 2017 Clem H with the 26.8 seatpost.
>>
>> What worked, was getting the seatpost knurled by Riv (for free, just pay 
>> for shipping) OR what was later done was getting the seatpost reamed to 
>> 27.0 and using that size seatpost.
>>
>> Intermediate solutions involved a layer of blue loctite on the upper 1" 
>> of seatpost insertion but it wasn't a permanent solution.
>>
>> Good luck,
>> Collin in Sacramento
>>
>> On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 12:40:07 PM UTC-7 ack...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Anybody else have issues with their seat post slipping on their Clem H 
>>> or any other Rivs?  This is driving me crazy.  I am infatuated with this 
>>> bike.  Favorite ride of all time.  I have a perfect 30 mile SF-Marin 
>>> Headlands-SF loop that keeps me sane.What is driving me insane however 
>>> is that my seat post slips down about 1-1.5 inches every time I ride this 
>>> ride, which involves quite a lot of fire trail.  I have cleaned the inside 
>>> of the seat tube, I have applied friction grease, I changed the seat bolt 
>>> and greased and regressed it.  I have heard that maybe a Coke can might 
>>> work as a shim, but I'd rather resolve the issue without hodging and 
>>> podging.  Any thoughts?  Advice?  Commiseration?  Thanks all.  I've ridden 
>>> on a Kalloy and a Thomson seat post, and it doesn't matter which seat post 
>>> I use, there is slippage.  
>>> Alex
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New Wheels for Clem; need advice

[Scott McLain]

Hi There,
I have ridden big bens and found them to be a bit sluggish.  I would 
recommend getting a different tire before trying new wheels.  I think the 
most zippy wider tires you can get are the Rene Herse tires.  However they 
don't have significant flat protection.  I have ordered a pair of panaracer 
gravel king slicks to evaluate flat protection, especially coming into goat 
head season.  Ha!

Best Regards,
Scott

On Thursday, September 2, 2021 at 1:16:04 AM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Another option is what I have on my custom, White Industries hubs to 650B 
> Velocity Atlas rims. Rich @ Riv built them for me and I added some lightish 
> Vittoria tires (confession: because I liked the way they looked). I don't 
> know HOW much lighter than stock Clem wheels they are, but I had both here 
> for a while and the fancy set was notably so. And the freehub makes a cool 
> buzzing sound when I'm coasting! Here's pics. 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 10:24:46 AM UTC-7 JAS wrote:
>
>> After reading Leah's comments about upgrading her Clem with lighter 
>> wheels and other parts,  I'd like to do the same for my dark green Clem.  I 
>> use it for rural road riding when I'm not on my Platy, gravel trails, and 
>> hauling groceries.  It's got a rear rack and will have SKS fenders when I 
>> get around to installing them. I will also replace the original Bosco with 
>> the aluminum version.  
>>
>> I changed the tires from those horrible original Kendas to Big Bens and 
>> removed the front rack and basket which did wonders for handling.  Since I 
>> got it from Craigslist a few years ago I don't know much about the original 
>> wheels.  They have multi-colored spoke nipples and no identifying labels. 
>> The original owner bought it from a bike shop in Madison, WI.
>>
>> Any advice is welcome on what wheels to get or other upgrades I could 
>> make.  I don't want to go tubeless. Clem is 52cm with 650b wheels.   Thanks!
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: sticky thing for keeping headbadge on bike

[Scott McLain]

I am with Garth.  Silicone adhesive seams like it would be better than two 
way tape/adhesive.  Just my $0.02.


On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 8:33:57 AM UTC-6 Christopher Cote wrote:

> I've had to reattach all the glued-on headbadges on my Riv bikes. I use 3M 
> auto trim tape, available at auto parts stores, and of course at Amazon. 
> Works perfectly, and comes in reasonably sized (and priced) rolls. I find 
> many uses around the house and shop for the remainder of the roll. 
>
> Chris
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 31, 2021 at 8:46:30 PM UTC-4 Yankeebird wrote:
>
>> My cheviot fell off my Cheviot. Thankfully, I saw it about to go and 
>> grabbed it, sheepie is not sitting forlornly on the side of a road 
>> somewhere. 
>>
>> I need to replace the double-sided sticky rubber thing they use to keep 
>> the headbadges on. Anyone know what it is, or have a better solution? 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Romulus death shake

[Scott McLain]

I get it on my older AHH.  I believe the larger tires make it a lot less of 
a death shake than old steal roadbikes used to give folks.  Mine is more of 
a comfortable wobble.  It only happens going down hill.  It does not result 
in loss of control in any manner.  I have a Marks rack up front but it 
wasn't loaded.  

On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 10:52:59 AM UTC-6 spencer robinson wrote:

> I had a Romulus (57cm) and I currently have a Heron Road….
> Yes under the right conditions both of these bikes would develop a high 
> speed wobble if no hands.
> I was able to solve the problem by keeping at least one hand on the 
> bars…problem solved for me anyway.
> Unless the bike is running for the ditch or the centerline, I would not 
> start bending on the forks. Sheldon’s method does work very well for 
> correcting the front fork alignment but the rom is such a beautiful bike, I 
> would not unless it is really bad. 
>
> On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 9:28:26 AM UTC-4 rickur...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone else get the frame wobble at high speeds on smooth surfaces 
>> with their Romulus? I only get it if I try to go no hands. And even the 
>> smallest amount of pressure on one of the grips will stop it. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Pauls Shimano Thumbies

[Scott McLain]

Hi James,
Are these still for sale?

Best, Scott

On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 8:57:06 AM UTC-6 James Valiensi wrote:

> Hi,
> Pauls Components thumb shifter mounts with Dura-Ace 9sp shifters. 
> The Dura-Ace shifters are a little beat up. Looks like the bike was turned 
> upside down to change a flat, several times, and the shifter tops were the 
> part that touched the ground. So, I couldn’t get the right one to go to 
> index mode. Both shifters seem to work in friction mode just fine. 
> The Paul's Thumbie mount appears in great shape. 
>
> $80 - includes shipping and PP fees.
>
> Best regards
>

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[RBW] Re: Silver Shifters - Upgrade?

[Scott McLain]

I love the little red button on top of the micro shift shifters as well!

On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 5:39:29 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> To answer the question - and possibly comfort folks who missed out - in my 
> experience the difference in feel/performance between Silver2 and the 
> Microshift 9-speeders is not substantial. If you swap the Microshifts and 
> use friction for both, the rear shifter (which was the front) ends up with 
> a very similar power ratchet action. The front (which was the rear and 
> could be indexed) is now switched to a pure friction which I think is 
> smooth enough for the 2 or 3 rings you'll shift.
>
> Conclusion: Silver shifters are nice (definitely prettier), Microshift is 
> plenty good as well. 
>
> Joe "in this reporter's opinion" Bernard 
>
> On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 7:15:41 AM UTC-7 pbsm...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Looks like one side sold out already :-/
>>
>> Was thinking of replacing my Paul thumbies mounts with these for the 
>> adjustability. 
>>
>> Oh well
>>
>> Pat in DC
>>
>> On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 8:42:22 AM UTC-4 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all!
>>> I have an Atlantis w/Choco bars and run the Microshift SL-T09 in the 
>>> Groovy Rivendell reversed style. It's a Riv build and they didn't have 
>>> Silver shifters available when I ordered and I was a little sad about it. I 
>>> have no complains about the Microshifts whatsoever, but I'd love some 
>>> feedback from anyone who has experience with the newer Silver thumbies and 
>>> the Microshifts. I'm tempted to buy a pair of shifters and mounts now that 
>>> they're all in stock, but I'm not sure I really *need* to.
>>>
>>> Essentially, other than looking cooler (which is, to be sure, a valid 
>>> reason to change), is there any performance/usability advantage of Silver 
>>> shifters? 
>>>
>>> I appreciate your time!
>>> Ben 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Things I Regret: Beausage on Vacation

[Scott McLain]

I bought Dave's old root beer AHH.  It came to me with a lot of beausage, 
but no dents.  I bought it assuming I would get it repainted.  I haven't 
done it.  It takes a lot of pressure off that it has lots of beausage.  The 
principal of beausage has changed my life.  I did find some clear 
protectant to make sure my bike didn't rust where the paint is missing. 

My kids all know about beausage now.  I rarely buy something that I would 
not be able to handle it being dinged.  

Except for my Martin HD-28.  That stays in the case.

Scott





On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 3:08:50 PM UTC-6, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Every year I point the van north and drive from Vegas to small town North 
> Dakota, and the lakes country of Minnesota. And every year I drag 3-4 bikes 
> along with us on a Saris rack. I’ve gone through several different bikes in 
> the past several years (the kids are growing, I switched to That Clem Life, 
> etc) so I’ve never found an exact formula to make the bikes fit perfectly. 
> This year I hauled my new ln 52 cm Clementine (2019 geo), the 
> old 1st gen 52 cm blue Clem H, #theClemRider’s  little 45 cm 2018 Clem H, 
> and Baby Bear’s 24 inch Specialized Hot Rock.
>
> I never regret bringing my bikes, but I do admit I lament that they come 
> back to Vegas in poorer condition than when they left. We always get caught 
> in a rainstorm at some point, and usually more than once. After that I 
> always notice creaking where there hadn’t been, rust on the heads of bolts 
> or inside the braze-ons. I usually have new scuffs from the bikes knocking 
> together on the rack, dirt and grit where I hadn’t had it before. One year 
> I drove to a shooting range on 20 miles’ worth of gravel roads and the 
> bikes were completely trashed at a level you can’t fathom. The Betty Foy 
> (now sold) had a permanent ugly mark on the top tube where the arm bar of 
> the rack had mashed the cable into the paint.
>
> You would think I would learn and get this dialed in but I never really 
> do. This year was really something - when was the last time you tried to 
> get 3 Rivendells with Bosco bars on a rack? Boscos don’t play nicely. Three 
> of 4 of the bikes had baskets, and all 4 had racks. Yeah, nightmare.
>
> So, this vacation I have discovered new ways to damage my bikes. I’ll 
> provide the photos and explanations in the next post...
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thoughts on Rivendell cork grips

[Scott McLain]

An old tube under tape is a brilliant idea!  Why didn't I think of that?  I 
just changed my Homer from an Albatros back to drops.  I just wrapped them 
this weekend and finished the shellac last night.

I like the look and novelty of the cork, but it is not super comfy.  There 
are lots of great options out there nowadays for sure.

On Saturday, July 11, 2020 at 3:02:19 PM UTC-6, Joel Stern wrote:
>
> Thanks Scott, I was thinking of something like that.  I may use an old 
> tube under bar tape as I like the look I have now.  I can always try cork 
> later.  
>
> On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 4:56 PM Scott McLain  > wrote:
>
>> Hi Joel,  I just tape near the front of the grip where the twine goes.  
>> The grip with a shifter cable won’t move much.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thoughts on Rivendell cork grips

[Scott McLain]

Hi Joel,  I just tape near the front of the grip where the twine goes.  The 
grip with a shifter cable won’t move much.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thoughts on Rivendell cork grips

[Scott McLain]

Hi Joel,
I have used these when I ride my AHH with an Albatross bar.  I am back to 
drops for the time being.  I do not glue them on.  I use them with bar end 
silver shifters.  I use a single wrap of Newbaums over the grip and shifter 
cable and then put twine over that.  Then I shellac them.  I use clear 
shellac.  My wife also has them on her Betty Foy like this with no 
problem.  

Having said all that.  I do think they are uncomfortable for any rides over 
45 minutes or so.  I think it is a combo of the angle of my hands on the 
Albatross bar and the hardness of the grips.  I would recommend paddle 
grips.  Even the mountain bikers use them.

Best,
Scott



On Sunday, July 5, 2020 at 12:18:22 PM UTC-6, Joel Stern wrote:
>
> Thanks.  A good friend who is a fly fisherman told just a little while ago 
> he only uses U40.  I do use barend shifters, I wonder if I could avoid 
> gluing them, if this might hold them in place,  
>
> On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 1:55 PM aeroperf > 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I’ve had them for 5 years on my Sam with albatross bars.  For me, they 
>> are not too hard, and just the right size.  I really love them, and would 
>> hate to have to pull the bars or brake levers and destroy them.
>>
>> I’ve asked three different fly fishermen what they put on the cork rod 
>> grips and they said either “fish guts” or “nothing”, so I’ve gone with 
>> “nothing”.  They’ve gotten a bit dirty and beat up in the 5 years, but I 
>> still get one or two compliments a year.
>>
>> I suggest you get a set of the cheaper ones, made of shaped ground cork, 
>> and try them out before buying the Riv ones (made of stacked rings of 
>> cork).  End Zone or Dimension make some.  I've heard of ways to install 
>> them so you can get them off without destruction, but mine were glued.
>> If you like the feel, get the Riv ones, especially if you have bar-end 
>> shifters.
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[RBW] Ball In Socket Seat Tube Lug

[Scott McLain]

I am curious to see what other's think of the new ball-in-socket seat tube 
lug that has now found its way on to all Riv bikes.  I don't like it.  I 
don't know why or why not.  I hate to be critical of our good brothers and 
sisters at Riv.  I just love the old school lugs.  I would be interested to 
know how much money is saved going with the ball in socket lug and not 
using a bottom bracket lug.  Anyone know more about it?

Scott

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[RBW] Re: Tubulars on Rivendells

[Scott McLain]

What a beauty!  I am riding a Surly pacer as my go fast bike.  I was 
wondering if I would see much difference in the Pacer and a Rodeo.  I 
believe you have had both.  Is the Rodeo as dreamy as it looks?

Best,
Scott

On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 5:08:11 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> A few things came together and prompted me to build up a tubular wheelset 
> for my Roadeo.  The rims are vintage MAVIC GL330s, and the tires are super 
> sweet Veloflex Vlaanderen which measure a true 27mm.  Now my Roadeo tips 
> the scales at a legit <20 lbs.  I am keeping my clincher wheelset as well, 
> but DANG, this bike is fast with supple tubulars.  
>
> Photo proves I rode The Three Bears on tubulars for the first time in 20 
> years.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/49815410327
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Re: Causes for bike noises

[Scott McLain]

I had a new Mountain Bike that had a weird click and it was the back wheel 
was loose on the bearings.  

I have taken my whole drive train apart to find to chase a creak that 
turned out to be the pedal.  Pedals are now the first place I look. 
I have heard of seat posts creaking.

I can't stand creaks or if my friends have creaks and squeaks.  Drives me 
nuts.  



On Friday, May 1, 2020 at 2:31:12 PM UTC-6, Clark Fitzgerald wrote:
>
> Sheldon Brown has a great article on Creaks, Clicks, & Clunks 
> .
>
> Yesterday I fixed an annoying ticking noise that happened on most crank 
> rotations, but only in warm weather. The culprit turned out to be the 
> pedals, which I forgot to grease when I installed new pedals on new cranks. 
> Another bike I had (not a Rivendell) had a bad creaking noise that turned 
> out to be from the square taper bottom bracket that was installed at the 
> factory without grease.
>
> I'm curious- what annoying noises have others fixed on their bikes? What 
> caused it?
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[RBW] Re: Bar tape color recommendation

[Scott McLain]

I really like the burnt orange.  It would go well with your other 
appointments.

On Monday, April 8, 2019 at 9:31:18 AM UTC-6, Keith Weaver wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I've recently installed 46 cm Noodle bars on my old Riv Road Standard, and 
> am wondering what color bar tape to put on. These bars came to me with 
> several colors of tape on them, most of the color is a faded out gray. I 
> put a coat of shellac on, but they still don't have much color. 
>
> The bike is a light metallic blue (see attached image), I'm thinking of 
> going with yellow tape and a couple of coats of shellac, hoping to get to a 
> nice honey-type color to contrast with the blue. Rivendell is out of stock 
> of yellow, but I can order it directly from Newbaums. I'm also considering 
> orange tape (in stock at Riv) with shellac, but wonder if that may end up 
> being a bit too dark for me. Does anyone have recommendations?
>
> Thanks,
> Keith
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Swift Industries Paloma Handlebar Bag

[Scott McLain]

Here is a link to the eBay page: 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/254192575904


On Sunday, April 7, 2019 at 6:50:13 PM UTC-6, Scott McLain wrote:
>
> This bag is in great shape. It includes the Klickfix adapter. It is the 
> Glacier color scheme.  I bought it for a tour a year or so ago that never 
> happened.  I also have it listed on eBay for $75 starting bid.
>
> Let me know if you are interested.
>
> Pictures:
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YUse0Hd16uhQIeQhmCkFtCm5kQnQJoKu/view?usp=sharing
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/17CyOwh8HOJEtVT-yYnCLYF2uW5lPg_Uo/view?usp=sharing
>
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] FS: Swift Industries Paloma Handlebar Bag

[Scott McLain]

This bag is in great shape. It includes the Klickfix adapter. It is the 
Glacier color scheme.  I bought it for a tour a year or so ago that never 
happened.  I also have it listed on eBay for $75 starting bid.

Let me know if you are interested.

Pictures:

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[RBW] Re: WTB Shimano 9 speed STI shifters

[Scott McLain]

I am not sure if you mean drifters when you say STI.  A shifter I have 
always wanted is the micro-shift 9-speed shifter.  

Scott

On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 6:08:27 PM UTC-7, dylan alverson wrote:
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> Looking to try out integrated shifting on my Saluki. Anyone out there have 
> a pair in good shape Ultegra preferably but not terribly picky.  Purchase 
> or trade. 

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[RBW] Re: WTB 60cm Quickbeam

[Scott McLain]

Of course you want a QB.  Who doesn't!  :-)  Santa, a 60cm Quickbeam would 
fit me great too!

On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 11:08:39 AM UTC-7, jamison brosseau wrote:
>
> Hi all, I know this is probably a reach, but I am looking for a 60cm 
> Quickbeam.  Please let me know if you have one you are willing to part with 
> or know someone who does.  Thanks
> Jamison in Queens
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[RBW] Re: Possible issue with Nitto Tallux stem and Nitto Albatross bars

[Scott McLain]

I put on an alba setup last year and had the same issue.  I have an aluminum 
Alba bar with a Tallux stem. I assumed that I let grease between the bar and 
stem.  So I cleaned it off and added a little blue lock-tight and I think I got 
it!

I also used blue lock-tight to get my seatpost to stop letting my seat pop a 
wheelie.  It worked!

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[RBW] Re: Errandonneering 2018

[Scott McLain]

Great post Deacon!

My 15 year old son has started riding around tow with me.  He really likes how 
the area we live looks so different from a bike rather than a car.  We hit 
Target and the Fast Gas yesterday.  Errandonneering is the best!

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[RBW] Lower price Atlantis!

[Scott McLain]

I would be interested in learning what drove the decision on the bottom bracket 
shell/ lug whatever.  Fillet brazed doesn’t sound as good as lugged.  

I think it is super cool that Grant pops in and out of the forum to shed light 
on the why.  Since he has given us the “mic drop”, can anyone else shed light 
on why they would change the bottom bracket.  Seams like it is the most 
important spot on the bike frame.

I agree you can’t improve if you don’t change.  I also think it is okay to be 
nice to Grant, or we could all be riding Aluminum.

Scott 

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[RBW] Re: Eat Bacon Don't Jog--Goal set, goal met

[Scott McLain]

Hi Bill,
Did you use a certain app on your phone to count carb grams?  I am a 
numbers guy as well.  However, it may be better to focus on leading 
indicators as opposed to just lagging.  I also bought a cheep blood sugar 
monitor and was taking my blood sugar every morning (after waiting 30 
minutes).  Another leading indicator.

My experience with EBDJ has been a big deal.  The biggest change was to my 
cholesterol.  It is still generally high, but my HDL's have gone way up and 
triglycerides and fasting blood sugar have gone WAY down.  I don't have the 
numbers quickly available to me or I would share them.

I lost 15 lbs when I first when on the diet, but then gained it all back.  
My job has  been relentlessly stressful over the past year and a half and I 
believe that is a contributing factor.  I have a bad habit of rewarding 
myself with food when life gets tough like I am some kind of dog.  March 
came in like a lion, but soon I will be commuting to work by bike most days 
which helps burn off some Cortisol.

Thank you for sharing.

Scott

On Tuesday, March 6, 2018 at 2:13:23 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Over the last few years, I've been a reasonably low-carb person.  I 
> generally steer clear of pizza, rice, bread, but my discipline has been far 
> from perfect.  Things were working out fine, in that I wasn't gaining the 1 
> pound a year that people tell me I'm supposed to be gaining throughout my 
> 40s.  I've been holding at 180, which was acceptable but not ideal.  This 
> winter I decided: I've spent long enough treading water as a 180 pounder.  
> I'm a 155 pounder with 25 pounds of unnecessary cargo.  I decided I was 
> going to drop 20 pounds, and this past week I've made it there, dropping 
> below 160 for maybe the first time this century.  There have been a few 
> changes that might have contributed to success. I'm drinking a lot less 
> beer, and a lot less booze in general. My exercise routine has included 
> much more short and intense efforts as a coach of the high school mountain 
> bike team.  I've also done more to think about the way that I tend to think 
> about food. Just like with drinking alcohol, I find that I have the urge to 
> eat when I'm bored, or have downtime. I've tried to keep myself occupied 
> more, and I've endeavored to break that mental connection so I don't start 
> snacking every time there's a calm moment.  
>
> A few weeks back I did a 200k with SFRandonneurs, and I really noticed a 
> difference in my appetite.  For the first time, I kind of had to force 
> myself to eat.  I had packed four Lara Bars for a 9 hour ride, and I went 
> ahead and ate one at 50k, at 100k and at 150k, just because it seemed like 
> a good idea to put some food in.  I wonder if I've reached some level of 
> fat-burning, and have largely broken the sugar-dependence where I don't get 
> super ravenous.  
>
> So, Winter is almost over and we haven't fought about EBDJ all winter 
> long, I don't think.  It's a datapoint of one but I'm doing fine with very 
> little bread, rice, etc.  I enjoy a cut up apple with almond butter for 
> desert.  I plop a huge scoop of coconut oil in my morning coffee.  I'm 
> eating lots of roasted veggies and raw veggies.  I'll throw a fried egg on 
> any meal.  I eat lots of nuts and seeds.  I make bacon on Saturday 
> mornings, typically.  My 34 inch waist pants no longer fit.  I just bought 
> a couple pairs of 32s and one pair of 30s.  The 30s are snug, and I call 
> them "the motivator" to get me the rest of the way to 155, where I'll 
> probably stop and hold.  Set a goal and make it happen.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Re: wtb: Homer Hilsen - 59cm

[Scott McLain]

Hi Eric.  keeping the thread alive.

I was wondering if Bill had weighed both frames.  I would imagine he has.  It 
would be hard to argue that an AHH would be more lively if it weighed more or 
the same.

Are you out there Bill?

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[RBW] Re: Why we need to ride...

[Scott McLain]

The body fuels the mind!  
I didn’t ride yesterday because the high was 25F.  I needed some encouragement 
to get out there.  My job is driving me nuts so I need it for sure.

Also like the Deacon referencing a BYU article!

Thank you for the inspiration DP! 

Scott

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[RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[Scott McLain]

i don’t like giro and bell helmets because they don’t fit me right.  I have 
been foregoing a helmet more and more.  My primary use for a helmet is when my 
wife come riding with me. 

However I do buy amp from Federal.  Mostly Shotgun shells for when we go to the 
range.  I probably also buy .22 and 9mm shells from the also.

I don’t shop at Wal Mart though because they are destroying America.  They are 
almost as evil as Microsoft.

Throw another log on the fire

Grinning with Patrick!

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Scott McLain]

I bought some hail mary planning to purchase one of the blue Riv ball caps 
that are out of stock.  They are also low on a lot of inventory of 
consumables.  Not a good sign.  I have come addicted to their yokozuma 
cable packs. They look great on every bike.  

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 5:38:03 PM UTC-7, Chris Birkenmaier 
wrote:
>
> I was just in Ri s website and saw their request for their loyal 
> supporters to purchase store credits of $10 units to help through a cash 
> flow jump. I promptly purchased some credits. I love this company and am 
> happy to help them out. Goodness knows I always find things I want to buy 
> from them. While I was doing this I also got an email with the request. 
>  I’d encourage you all to read your email or visit their website for 
> complete details 
> Chris 
> Who is getting a Roadini to add to the collection

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[RBW] Re: Informal poll: Sam Hillborne sizing, 6' tall about an 85PBH?

[Scott McLain]

I similar measurements to you 5-11, 87cm inseam.  I ride a size 58 LHT and a 
size 59 Riv AHH.  I would go with the smaller sam if I intended to run drop 
bars.  It’s reach is very similar to the 58 LHT and 59 AHH. 

If you are going upright bars, you can go either way.  A bosco bar will eat up 
lots of top tube.  There was a great pic on this list of a 60 chev with a 
slammed boscomoose! Not sure I would do that with a Sam but just sayin you 
could.

I would trust the Riv guys if I was buying new.

What color, now that is a really hard question!

Good Luck!

Scott

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[RBW] Re: I'll be at Riv and need some suggestions about the local area

[Scott McLain]

I highly recommend the Streets of San Francisco bike tour.  They provide the 
bike.  You will get a great tour of the city and it’s history.  It is always 
ranked high on trip advisor.  My wife and I vacation in SF every couple of 
years.  This was our favorite thing.  Also be sure to get Buy Rite ice cream.

Have Fun!  

Scott

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[RBW] FS: Silver Shifters (lot of 2 sets)

[Scott McLain]

Of course you know that riv sells replacement plastic rings...

I literally just bought a new set this evening.  I am still tempted to buy 
yours.  These things are going to go up like bitcoin once the v2 takes their 
place.

You will have no problem selling these for $30

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cowboy Trail NE, Goatheads, tire choice

[Scott McLain]

Great points from Patrick.  Also get familiar with what the goat head plant 
looks like.  You want to avoid running over them.  Seams silly, but they grow 
in from the sides of trails.  You may be able to avoid them on a wide enough 
rail trail.  

I would go with a Scwalbe Marathon Plus or the old marathons with green guard.  
They have a gap that seems to disarm goat heads with german engineering.  I 
would not go with the mondial or any other tire that relies on a kevlar belt.  
Goat heads eat kevlar for breakfast.  

Sounds like a great trip.  Don’t sweat the goat heads too much!  

I am in Utah which has 25 percent of the goat head density of New Mexico.

I road a 300 mile tour in Utah last summer.  Zero flats on Schwalbe Marathons 
with green guard.  My friend had a couple of flats on his continental touring 
tires with kevlar belts.  

I would still never intentionally ride over a goat head plant.

Scott 

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[RBW] Re: Un-un-racing update: My first ever mountain bike race

[Scott McLain]

Great job supporting the kids!  

My LBS keeps telling me I need to hit a cyclocross race, but I would be 
fighting to stay out of last place.  Cyclocross sounds much funner if you 
are in CA rather than a cold climate like me.  The big cyclocross race near 
me is called the "Crusher in the Tushar"

http://tusharcrusher.com/

Scott

On Sunday, February 4, 2018 at 8:37:06 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>
> 
> I'm a pretty devout unracer.  One of my un-unracing activities is I'm the 
> volunteer team mechanic for the El Cerrito High School Mountain bike racing 
> team.  Today's team ride was a non-league race.  It was open to the public 
> and the kids urged me to sign up.  So, I did my first ever mountain bike 
> race.  I entered the Sport category, which might have been above my skill 
> level, but whatever.  The weather was perfect down in Fort Ord, Monterrey.  
> It was pretty exciting to be in a real racing environment.  Other fellas in 
> the 45-54 age group tended to gain time on me in the technical turns and 
> such and the descents, but I was pleased at the ground I'd make up on the 
> climbs.  I was not last in the Sport 45-54, but was close. I think the kids 
> all enjoyed that I got after it. Anyway, it was a memorable day on the 
> bike, and it happened to be a day on the bike that demanded hydraulic disc 
> brakes and through-axles and front suspension.  There's no way I could have 
> used a Rivendell, even a hypothetical fantasy Rivendell.  The fact is, 
> there are bikes out there for most tasks.  Sometimes it's fine to just use 
> the right bike for the task and enjoy the ride.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Appaloosa Front-End Update

[Scott McLain]

Hi Liam,
I have a little different spin on this.  Your "horror show" comment made me 
laugh, thanks!

I think your rack is going to be okay.  The problem is that Riv puts their 
mid fork eyelet in a non-standard location. It works great for Nitto front 
racks, but not other "standard" stuff. That is why J Imler had to use the 
"P" clips/clamps on his fork.  I have your same rack on my Long Haul 
Trucker and it works great.  I am running 700cx40mm tires.  I also like how 
you used the lower eyelet on your dropout for your rack connection.  You 
will then use the Tara tab for your fender connection.

Go to a local bike shop.  They should have P-clamps.  

https://www.rivbike.com/products/nitto-band-clamps-pair

Good Luck!  Have fun in Spain on your Rivendell you lucky dog!

Scott mild winter McLain



On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 5:27:30 PM UTC-7, Liam Allen wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Thanks for all this info. New to this so not sure I'm posting in the right 
> place but thanks to Coal and Kainalu too!
>
> What a bummer! I actually got the Tubus to replace a Hebie front pannier 
> rack I was running. It was fine great and sat level, and it did me well for 
> a long trip in the summer, but wouldn't allow space for the Nitto rack and 
> basket. Should have researched this better as I'm now amounting a 
> collection of very nice but redundant pannier racks!
>
> The hub area one is a lovely looking thing, it's just that I'm in 
> Barcelona, Spain and not sure I can justify the price and air mail of 
> getting one sent all the way here... Unless anyone knows of anyone else 
> that sells them? Or are they a Riv exclusive?
> Hopefully it'll be third time lucky!
>
> I'll look into these mid-fork eyelets if not.
>
> Thanks again for all the help. 
>
> Liam
>
> On Friday, February 2, 2018 at 5:15:42 PM UTC+1, Tim Gavin wrote:
>>
>> Liam-
>>
>> Yes, the Tubus Tara Big Apple has a larger hoop over the tire, to fit the 
>> aforementioned tire.  Your "standard"  Tara doesn't give enough clearance.
>>
>> Also the horizontal struts are supposed to be horizontal so you can 
>> attach your pannier clips to them.  Panniers may not like the angled 
>> struts, and it could tilt the panniers back enough to cause other problems 
>> (toe overlap, handling, etc).
>>
>> I agree that the best solutions would be:
>> 1) Tubus Tara Big Apple, with Tubus Mid-Fork eyelets to keep the struts 
>> horizontal
>> or
>> 2) a different front pannier rack (Hub Area Rack, or many other options)
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 7:55 AM, Liam Allen  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi there,
>>>
>>> Just found this and wanted to put my problem to you. 
>>> I've bought a TUBUS TARA Lowrider rack to put up the front of my 
>>> Appaloosa. I saw yours here so went ahead and bought one.
>>> However, I'm just reading your message below properly and think I've 
>>> realised my error. Yours is a Tara Big Apple, a different model. 
>>> This is the horror show I'm dealing with at the moment (see pic.) It 
>>> ain't gonna happen is it?!
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>
>>> Liam  
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 4, 2017 at 9:16:13 PM UTC+2, J Imler wrote:

 Installed a Tubus Tara Big Apple on my Appaloosa. See pics for various 
 intricacies. Mark's Rack sitting with up-angle allows for top of brake arm 
 clearance under fork crown Nitto strut. Used Nitto clamps for mid-fork 
 connection. I bought the Tubus mid-fork connection doodad but like the 
 Nitto clamps much better. Those are Ortlieb Front Roller panniers. I 
 loaded 
 Joe with a multitude of my kid's library books for an initiation and 
 thought it handled very well. See pics here: 
 https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwHqG1q8uHdcaUt6aTV6X296a0U/view?usp=sharing

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[RBW] Re: Fancy grip-making (starring my bike!)

[Scott McLain]

Do you know how thick the wool felt is that he uses?

Scott

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[RBW] Re: My trials and tribulations with upright bars

[Scott McLain]

In the past I tried a SOMA Oxford bar on a Surly Cross Check and really 
didn't like it.  It was just too twitchy!  I attributed it to two things, 
the upright angles of the seat and headtube and the stem was sized for drop 
bars.

So I was curious to try albatross bars on my AHH. But before I took the 
plunge, I decided to call Riv and ask a couple of questions about stem 
lengths when going from drops to upright.  Guess who picked up the phone, 
Grant.  He had a couple of experiences to relate and told me that the frame 
angles were probably important to the feal of upright bars, but not 
necessarily the stem length.  He said if it felt to twitchy after the 
change to put on bigger tires.  So far I would say I am still getting used 
to a different riding position.

I am curious to try a drop bar with large flare like these on my touring 
bike.  They would look tough on a Chev and seem like you would use the 
drops more.
https://velo-orange.com/collections/handlebars/products/dajia-cycleworks-far-bar-handlebar

I agree that I feel a bit in no mans land when I ride the albatross, but at 
the same time there is no right and wrong.  I do like how it changes your 
"attitude" to relax a bit more and take in the scenery.  It helps me ride 
like a kid again.  My hands were a little sore because I was riding with 
thick ragwool gloves which couldn't grip the cork, so I couldn't use 
different hand positions.

My wife has a bosco bar on her Betty Foye.  It has a huge 13cm stem and it 
still has a cramped cockpit feel to me.  She loves it.
https://flic.kr/p/Eiwm5c






On Sunday, January 21, 2018 at 1:16:13 PM UTC-7, Dave Small wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> As I read more and more testimonials from people about how awesome their 
> switch was to upright handlebars, I wanted to try 'em.  I like drop bars as 
> long as they're saddle-height or higher, but there's a semi-conscious part 
> of me that feels the teensiest-bit compelled to push drop-bar bikes just a 
> little, and sometimes I want to just putz along and enjoy the scenery, and 
> not even consider my speed or trip time.  Plus, as I get older I thought 
> that uprights may be in my future anyway, so why not give 'em a shot now?
>
> So, I took a Velo-Orange Polyvalent and replaced the drop bars with 
> porteur bars.  It's okay, but I feel like I'm kinda caught between a 
> forward lean and sitting upright, in a no-man's land of Tweenerville.  So 
> maybe this isn't the right bike on which to test upright bars, I thought, 
> so I converted a V-O Campeur from drop bars to V-O Left Bank bars.  Nope, I 
> thought, not fond of this.  But those Albatross bars that everyone thinks 
> is the bees knees?---let's try *those* on the Campeur!  It was better, 
> and I thought it might actually be fine, but the more I rode it the less I 
> liked it, so I swapped the bars back to drop and was reminded of what a 
> great bike the Campeur is---with drops.  
>
> Maybe those are the wrong bikes for uprights, I though, so I bought a 
> Cheviot and set it up with Albatross bars, 'cause the Cheviot was 
> *designed* for Albatross bars and Albas are *the best*, right?  Right? 
>  Everyone says so, so it must be true.  As I was engaging in this 
> experiment I thought to myself that would be the Gold Standard of 
> Upright-Bar Setups, and if I don't like this then I must not like upright 
> bars---but meanwhile I was sure it'd be *good* because everyone says it 
> is.  
>
> I don't like it.  A couple of days ago I took it out for what I'd intended 
> to be a 13-mile trial ride to see how things went at that relatively short 
> distance, and ended up going 24 miles.  That's a typical ride for me on a 
> drop-bar bike, and know how I feel when I get home.  On the Cheviot I felt 
> slow and never quite comfortable in a upright position, with the most 
> natural feeling coming when I was stretched out (relatively speaking) and 
> holding onto the bends that are furtherest toward the front.  But that's 
> close to where the bends would be on a drop-bar bike, so in essence I was 
> mimicking the position I'd be in on such a bike, and wasn't comfortable in 
> the position in which the Albas were designed to put me.  Also, my hands 
> got kinda numb and didn't work well; toward the end of the ride I tried to 
> wave a car through an intersection ahead of me by waving my fingers, and 
> they wouldn't bend.  I went a longer distance than I'd initially planned to 
> on that ride because I thought maybe I needed more time or distance to 
> acclimate to the Albas, but instead of things feeling better they felt 
> worse as the ride progressed.  
>
> With that background, I have 2 questions for the group:
>
> 1.  Has anyone else experienced something similar and then fixed it, for 
> example by raising or lowering the bars or the angle of the bars or 
> changing the stem extension?  There was a recent thread that indicated not 
> everyone likes upright bars (which I read only after I'd built up the 
> 

Re: [RBW] Re: New Bike Syndrome

[Scott McLain]

Bikes are no different from fly rods, guitars, golf clubs, or potato chips.  
It’s hard to stop at just one!

Just go with the Atlantis.  Enjoy it.  Then when you get the itch buy something 
used off the list.  Like a Ram or Saluki, just for fun.

Skimp on your car.

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[RBW] Re: A Homer Hilsen, between 57 and 59: how to decide?

[Scott McLain]

FWIW 
I am 5-11 and have a 59 AHH.  I have a short torso and it fits great!  I 
would call the folks at Riv and ask them.  That is the fun of buying from 
them!  You may want to consider a Sam since it has a sloped top tube.

Good Luck!  Scott

On Saturday, December 30, 2017 at 11:01:39 PM UTC-7, John W wrote:
>
> Happy holidays, everyone. 
>
> I’m currently seriously considering putting myself on the queue list for 
> an AHH, although who knows how long i’ll be waiting. I would benefit 
> greatly from some sizing advice. 
>
> I’m 182cm tall, with a 85 PBH and about a 74cm saddle height for most 
> bikes. I intend to run drop bars about dead level with the saddle. 
>
> Should I go with a 57 or 59cm, or another size that I’m not considering? I 
> have a slight preference for running 700c tires. 
>
>

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[RBW] A Homer Hilsen vs LHT - Will I notice a difference?

[Scott McLain]

Hi Drew,
I own both and really like both.  The LHT gets the wrap of being a tank, but i 
think it rolls down the road very nice and provides a fairly cush ride.  The 
AHH provides a bit of spring on hill and feels more responsive.  I primarily 
like having a side pull brake bike and a cantilever brake bike to enable 
different tire types and widths.  I ride my AHH every day and keep the LHT 
around for loaded touring trips and bad weather days.  They are very 
complimentary of each other.

Good Luck,
Scott

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Re: [RBW] cleaning handlebars

[Scott McLain]

Hi Jim,
Be careful if you try to get rid of the scratches.  If your bars are aluminum, 
you can buff through the anodizing which will make you wish you could go back 
to scratched.  Wonder how i know?  I tried to buff out a scratch on my noodles. 
  Should have left the scratch.

Scott embracing beausage McLain

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[RBW] Home of the Brave

[Scott McLain]

Fun Grant interview.  Maybe you all have already heard this.

http://homebrave.com/home-of-the-brave//the-bicycle-artist

Scott

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[RBW] Re: Trigger shifters on swept-back bars - Jones or others

[Scott McLain]

I would stick to 9-speed and go with these shifters for an upright bar w/o bar 
ends.  

MicroShift Flat Bar Double/Triple 9 speed Thumb Shifters 
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CJXMFK4/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_wC87zbK9C5E8A

I would go with 9-speed to avoid snags with road versus mountain components not 
working together.

IMHO

Scott

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[RBW] Re: 9 vs 10 speed bar end shifters

[Scott McLain]

Not sure if anyone spelled this out clearly, but i like 9-speed because it all 
works, road mixed with mountain.  Shimano mountain 10 speed is not compatible 
with anything else.  10 speed road is compatible 8 or 9 speed.  I will spare 
everyone the long version since i am on my phone.

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[RBW] 10x200 update. An eleventh bike, and blast(s) from the past

[Scott McLain]

Nice Update!  Do any of your bikes have upright bars?  Do you still have your 
Sam?

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[RBW] Re: My First Rivendell

[Scott McLain]

Sweet bike!  Love the step through!

Scott

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[RBW] Re: Silver Tubing Info

[Scott McLain]

Steel is such great stuff!  Using alloys and heat treating you change the 
properties all over the place.  Sometimes overlooked are infinite cycle life 
and that it work hardens unlike copper and aluminum that work softens, which i 
try not to think about when riding on 40 year old airplanes and another reason 
it sucks for bike frames.  What I really like about Rivendell is that if you 
get all spun out on alloy numbers or heat treating on you bike tubes, you can 
call Grant and he can talk you off the ledge.   That also goes for diets and 
care and feeding of your hatchet.

Steel is definitely one of the overlooked innovations that was necessary to 
feed the industrial age and what made America great!  Oops , I meant really 
good.  I think it was a bridge over the Mississippi and then the Brooklin 
bridge followed by the golden gate that drove the real innovation s in steel 
production. 

Obsessing can be fun, but can also be unhealthy.  Just ride!

Scott

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[RBW] Re: UnRacer community in SLC?

[Scott McLain]

You definitely need to visit Saturday Cycles off 600 North.  They can get 
you in touch with the UnRacer activites happening in SLC.  Provo and SLC 
have very good bike collectives that are fun to visit.  I like taking the 
train up and ride around the city, catch lunch in sugarhouse, stop at 
Trader Joe's and head home.  If you live in the city, you can take the 
train down the Lehi and then get on the Murdoch canal trail and ride it all 
the way up Provo Canyon... very nice ride.  Feel free to contact me offline 
if you like for more ride info.

Scott

On Friday, September 1, 2017 at 5:39:26 PM UTC-6, Keenan Cummings wrote:
>
> It's kinda easy to draw a map of Riv-style riders just based on where the 
> bike shops are that build these kinds of bikes. We have plenty here in the 
> bay, and I've found a good handful on Instagram across the states. 
>
> As far as I can tell, the bike shops in SLC are your standard fare, which 
> often means the riding community is donning spandex and clocking metrics. 
> Curious if anyone knows what bike life is like in Salt Lake City and Utah 
> in general for the UnRacer.
>

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[RBW] Re: The Siren Call of Sapphire Shopsacks

[Scott McLain]

Carla,
That will look great on the SAM!!!

Great thread.  My wife and I traveled 1,000 miles with our Rivs to tour San 
Francisco.  It was great!  I highly recommend Streets of San Francisco Bike 
tours.   Anyway, she has the grey shopsack in her Wald on her Betty and got 
several compliments on her shopsack as we were in and out of shops. She was 
out hipping the hipsters.  It fits perfectly in the medium wald.  Saphire 
is a good name for the new blue or indigo.  I am thinking it will look 
really cool as it fades and gets some beausage... kind of like me.

https://flic.kr/p/M4nqyU

Gotta love the Betty!  Rene's $750 Betty frame is killing me.

Scott

On Monday, April 24, 2017 at 7:50:39 PM UTC-6, Carla Waugh wrote:
>
> I succumbed to the sapphire blue and bought a tiny saddleback and a medium 
> shopsack because they look good on my orange Sam. Do it!

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[RBW] Re: Headset nut: aluminum vs steel

[Scott McLain]

Another reason to go steel is that the fork steerer is steel and so it is 
always better to use like metals.  Aluminum does not do really well with 
threads, it galls and wants to get stuck. Grease works as a dialectic to 
prevent or slow down galvanic corrosion.   If you do go with Aluminum, I 
would grease it really good.

I must disclose that I have never adjusted a headset nut in my life 
aluminum or steel.

Scott


On Monday, April 24, 2017 at 12:35:46 AM UTC-6, Ash A wrote:
>
> No LSB in 15 mile radius had the 32mm wrench required to remove the 
> headset nut.  I had to remove it to install a cable hanger for my new Appa 
> frame.  Knowing that it is a bad idea, I used an adjustable wrench.  Sure 
> enough, the aluminum nut got a dent.  Thought I'd put a new one.  The LBS 
> carries only steel replacement nut.  
>
> I'd prefer the steel over cheese-like aluminum.  Is there a technical 
> reason why I should use aluminum, other than that it is 5 times lighter?
>

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Re: [RBW] Bike destinations in Japan and Amsterdam

[Scott McLain]

Well you have to go to Blue Lug if you are going to Tokyo.

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Scott McLain]

Wow, what a thread!

I feel much better about my own bike collection:
2006 LHT
2007 A Homer Hilsen
2014 Surly Pacer
Rockhopper 29er - For my kids to use
Stumpjumper 29er - For my use
Betty Foye - My wife's bike
1969 Scwhinn Twinn Tandem
1989 Marin Eldridge
A host of kids bikes
No Carbon bikes.


On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 12:21:16 PM UTC-6, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> Sorry Phillip ...the harvest gold and me on the left for a rather nice 
> 65km Charity ride for a home for patients with Alzheimer's ...it has one of 
> Riv's vegan bar tubes
>
> Mix of Nitto , a little campagnolo, old suntour, brrooks...this and that. 
> With Compass Stampede pass EL tires...best road tires I've ever ridden. 
> It's my go-fast bike   ...but the engine not so much. The 65km draws out 
> the fast ridersplenty pass me unless  they have flats :)
>
> On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 12:36:14 PM UTC-5, Philip Kim wrote:
>>
>> ooh, i would love to see a picture of the curt goodrich custom!
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 1:31:31 PM UTC-4, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>>
>>> Interesting thread!
>>>
>>> Bikes I think are elegant ,practical and I will ride and are special
>>>
>>> Nothing I have to go into debt for...if I want a bike I'll save for it 
>>> and buy  once other obligations are met. The expectation and parts picking 
>>> are all part of the fun
>>>
>>> I have sold bikes for a reasonable sum that another would ride (87 
>>> Rossin, 85 M500 Cannondale) that I  no longer needed or wanted
>>>
>>> My N bikes
>>>
>>> *Elegant mutts*
>>> 1993 X0-1 fairly close to original spec. 24 years and still going 
>>> strong. When I had my bike accident where I ended up with the L1 crushed 
>>> vertebrae, bike was unscathed except for a scrape on the side of the 
>>> saddle. ...in fact I took my first ride on it since my accident last fall . 
>>> Both bike and rider are just fine, thank the fates
>>>
>>> 1974 PX-10 set up as an SS w moustache bars
>>>
>>> *The queens (not garage queens)*
>>>
>>> 1997 Riv allrounder
>>>
>>> 2001 Curt Goodrich built Riv custom road bike
>>>
>>> 2017 Mark Nobilette Custom
>>>
>>> At this point I don't have an N+ 1well maybe a ladies' Clem
>>>
>>> When I shuffle off this mortal coil , I'll want them out in the world 
>>> where they'll be ridden and loved.  I am not in the least bit  morbid or 
>>>  anything but they are a legacy that I have to consider. I wonder how you 
>>> guys feel about that. Purely a speculative question
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 10:24:18 AM UTC-5, Bob K. wrote:

 Hey Folks:

 I know threads somewhat similar to this pop up every now and again, but 
 Ryan's question to Eric in the Rivendell Road SOLD thread made me wonder 
 how folks settle on their stable size. I fall squarely in the minimalist 
 camp, but I'm guessing others here probably don't. So:

 1. How do you settle on what N equals for you? (N+1, I know, I know...)
 2. What bikes do you currently own/have in regular rotation and why do 
 you own them? 

 My stable is currently at one because of a recent sale, but it will 
 (soon) bump back up to two. I settled on two as the acceptable number of 
 bikes for a number of reasons, but mostly because I can't imagine riding 
 enough to justify having any more of them. We also don't have the space 
 for 
 me to store any additional bikes aside from in a somewhat humid basement, 
 and neither my wife nor myself would appreciate more bikes in the corner 
 of 
 the living room as we're not big fans of clutter, especially clutter that 
 doesn't get used very often.

 Current Stable:

 1. 2009 Sam Hillborne (canti): Used mostly for road riding and touring 
 and some occasional single track and forest roads if the ride 
 allows/inspires it.

 2. 2017 Surly Troll: I settled on the new Troll after a lengthy 
 flirtation with the idea of buying a Crust Evasion and other bikes as 
 well. 
 I decided the Troll is better for my needs for a number of reasons: the 
 geometry readily accepts a Jones H-Bar, 2x is easy vs. not doable at all 
 with the Evasion, and my desired 26x3.0 setup doesn't require the need for 
 expensive cranksets. It's also $300 cheaper and I like the maroon better 
 than the also admittedly pretty Evasion color. It will take the place of 
 my 
 erstwhile Krampus as my mountain bike, off-road tourer, long distance 
 tourer (if/when I get to do that!), kid trailer, and stuff hauler. 

 How about you?

 Bob K. in Baltimore



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[RBW] Re: wtb: Homer Hilsen 59cm

[Scott McLain]

I have one with three bottle mounts.

https://flic.kr/p/L5qzXE

I don't know if you would like the custom paint color.  It is a 59.  Would 
consider selling.  This bike used to belong to Dave at Riv.

Scott




On Friday, March 31, 2017 at 1:37:56 PM UTC-6, Eric wrote:
>
> Bump...still looking for a 59cm with three water bottle mounts.
>
> Thanks!!! 
>

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot touring?

[Scott McLain]

Check out this gal on a betty foye.  Fully loaded on a dirt road!!

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[RBW] Exploding Tires

[Scott McLain]

Enjoyed your post!  Take heart, we have all blown out a tube.  

At least i have always assumed it was me not making sure the tire was properly 
beaded to the rim or that the tube was pinched between the rim and the tire.  
If the tube finds anyway to sneak out of the tire it will blow!  I've scared my 
wife and kids half to death a couple of times outside in the garage.  I can 
only imagine the loudness of the kitchen!  It seems i am always in a. it of a 
rush changing tires!

Scott

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[RBW] Buggered up wheel

[Scott McLain]

I have a RBW standard wheel with a Velocity Atlas rim 36 hole, laced to a 
Velocity sport front hub.  I was loading my bike in the bike rack this 
summer and it fell over with the front rim stick in the bike rack.  It was 
bent pretty bad.  I have tried to true it up by adjusting spokes, but to 
straighten it, I end up with a radial wowie in the wheel because I have to 
pull one side so tight.

My question:  My next try is to take the whole thing apart, put the rim on 
a flat wooden work surface and beet it back to shape with a rubber mallet. 
The re-lace the wheel back together. Someone please stop me if this is a 
bad idea.  The wheel doesn't have any obvious kinks or dents.

I built up a wheel with a dyno hub a few months ago, so this wheel is 
simply a spare.  Anyone want to buy it?

Scott

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[RBW] Re: Need help justifying a Rivendell?

[Scott McLain]

I smile every chance I get to ride my AHH.  I can't think of a more 
satisfying purchase I have made.  

Scott

On Monday, December 12, 2016 at 7:40:16 AM UTC-7, Edwin W wrote:
>
> I know most of you do not... but here is a good article 
> 
>  
> about why buying a more expensive version of something (happens to be a 
> bike, and a Moots) can be the right decision.
>
> Edwin
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[RBW] Re: News around today's RBWHQ visit

[Scott McLain]

Hi Bill,
Love your bikes.  Your and inspiration for others with the +1 itch.  I have 
an AHH and can't make up my mind to go +1 with a Hunq or an Atlantis.  

I live in Utah and manage construction projects.  We always have to budget 
times into our project schedules for hunting season.  Even in Utah, it is 
much more about getting up in the mountains and enjoying time together. 
 The best hunters usually don't kill anything, because that leads to a lot 
of work (especially an elk) and ruins all the fun/relaxation.  The kids 
still get out of school on the first day of hunting season.  When I first 
moved here, I went on a mountain bike ride on opening day, and scared the 
 out of myself because there were men with guns around every bend!



On Friday, December 2, 2016 at 12:20:14 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Today I visited RBW headquarters to order a frameset.  This year I sold 
> two 700c Rivendells (a 58cm Atlantis and a 55cm Appaloosa) in order to help 
> pay for two 650B Rivendells.  I mocked up both of the 650B candidates to my 
> saddle height (75.5cm) and took the canonical garage door photo of each:  
>
>
> 
>
> 56cm 650B Atlantis
>
>
>
> 
>
> 53cm 650B Hunqapillar
>
>
> Notably the Atlantis was wearing 27.5 x ~2.2" knobbies, which made it look 
> super butch.  That's the main reason I'm sharing the photo(s) because that 
> 2017 Fat-Lantis is a bit of a novelty.  The 53cm Hunqapillar is a little 
> bit of a downsize for me, but I think that would be my son's go-to bike 
> when we do S24Os together, and he's an inch or two shorter than me and not 
> likely to get to 5'-10".  
>
>
> So, I went ahead and ordered the Atlantis, which is exciting.  I went with 
> a small upcharge to order a non-standard but Waterford stock color.  I will 
> keep it a secret, but I promise it is not a unique Atlantis color.  One of 
> you has an Atlantis that I am blatantly copying, because it looks so darn 
> good.  
>
>
> I was expecting a not-too-long turnaround, but Will explained to me that 
> everybody from Waterford takes massive time off for deer-hunting season! 
>  That cracked me up.  Anyway, now is just about the worst time for frame 
> turnaround from those good Wisconsinites.  No harm done to me, as I've got 
> plenty of other bikes to tide me over, but be warned if you are going to 
> order something, that you will be well into Spring before you get it.  
>
>
> Bill Lindsay
>
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Nice Fall Ride

[Scott McLain]

You guys inspired me to go for a ride over the Thanksgiving Day break.  I 
was also inspired by the nasty weather we are expected to get this next 
week in the Rocky's.  It was a classic un-racer ride for the pleasure of 
riding, going 25 miles at 12 miles per hour.  Wearing my blue jeans and 
flannel shirt in between 45 and 50 degrees F.   It was a wonderful way to 
enjoy the last bit of nice weather before old man winter makes it a bit 
more of a challenge.

I recently built up a dyno front wheel and installed lights on my Homer. 
 This was my first trip beyond commuting with this set up.  I didn't really 
notice any drag.

Here are some pictures:
https://flic.kr/p/Nqnm3e
https://flic.kr/p/PAxtJb
https://flic.kr/p/P6fW1S

More musings..
As I get older, I more appreciate the natural cycles of summer and winter. 
 It is so much of what makes life interesting and helps remind us of how 
wonderful the world is when the spring returns and the world blooms 
renewed.  Winter is a time for rest and reading and learning.  That is why 
I am a little anti fat bike.  Take the winter and do something else, 
something different.  Go skiing, or snowshoeing.  Learn to play the guitar. 
 Then when spring returns, you can return to the bike with a passion 
renewed.

Scott

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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW Web Site

[Scott McLain]

I was having problems and deduced: they were taking it down at @ 7pm each day 
to monkey with it and your old account won't work.  

I was feeling lucky and decided to try to request a new account.  using the 
same email, i created a new account and all my old account info was there!  

Will they take it down again tonight?  Who knows, but it works during the day.

Scott

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[RBW] Mudflap quandry

[Scott McLain]

First world problem for sure. You of course need to think hard about bike 
accessories and consider how they reflect your bike vibe.  The mudflap is maybe 
one of the most important of accessories that often goes overlooked, like a 
great belt or pair of socks.  I would not go with the plastic longboard rubber 
mudflap, lacks soul and creativity .  I like the velo orange leather look.  The 
best thing to do is show some crapmanship and make one.

Obsessing over harmless decisions is one of my favorite coping mechanisms.

Scott

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[RBW] WTB: 47cm Betty Foy

[Scott McLain]

There used to be one at Saturday Cycles in Salt Lake City.  

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[RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Scott McLain]

Is this the same thing as the Silver 1?  Gotta love the Silver 1.  I might 
have to get an extra couple if they are going out of production all 
together.  Maybe Dia-Compe will keep it going?





On Friday, October 14, 2016 at 12:08:31 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> The BLUG has a long write up and description of the Silver 2 shifters. 
>  One big take home is the Silver 1 shifter mold is shot, so those will be 
> going away.  So, if you love Silver shifters, stock up now.  The Silver 2 
> looks like it'll be a way better thumb shifter, a somewhat better barcon 
> shifter, and an amusingly ironic downtube shifter.  Most importantly (to 
> me), is that if you want to embolden Rivendell Bicycle Works to keep 
> putting their money where their brains are, then reward them by buying a 
> pair or two of Silver 2's and put them into your personal inventory.  When 
> the need arises, get them from your stock.  If Riv gets a lot of early 
> adopters buying them, then they'll have the confidence and the money to 
> make the next part that you can't get anywhere else.  Grant tells you on 
> the BLUG how to get on an email list for updates on the Silver 2.  
>
> Bill habitual-early-adopter Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: Grant's Stock on Bike Forums has Appreciated

[Scott McLain]

Wow that exchange was painful!  I did get a chuckle out of some of it.  I 
think Mobile 155's glass is definitely half empty.  

I am still getting my head around the Rivendell paradigm.  I loved Grant's 
recent story about the girl who saw him on a trail on Mount Diablo and 
laughed at him and said "nice basket".  It makes me chuckle even though 
Grant didn't see the humor of the situation.  Grant's response was very 
interesting.  See quote below...

It is interesting to see how people don't get "just ride".  They are so 
deeply entrenched in the racing is the measure of goodness or greatness 
paradigm.

"Last week on a morning group ride  (me, Mark, Brian, Roman) here out on 
the trails, I was grunting up the last hill on my basketed CLEM, and they 
were standing there with three other riders, and as I was cresting, one of 
the unknown riders said ”nice basket!” with a chuckle.  Then to the group, 
“You guys should ride Eroica—it’d be perfect for you.”

All harmless on the surface, but it bothered and bugged me that she was so 
unaccustomed to seeing unsuspended steel bikes that she thought it must 
have been a philosophy of life; and that we rubes would enjoy riding with 
others of our kind. Like, 
*hey Amish—you should meet the Mennonites—you got the same kinda deal going 
on, with the clothes and all!*

It can’t be too surprising and I shouldn’t get t upset (I’m not, and 
this is the extent of my venting), but we were there in the open space, 
with nothing but rolling hills and oaks and dustry trails and barbed-wire 
fences, riding low key, low tech, perfectly suited bikes (Mark: Custom 
cross; Brian: Homer; Roman: Sam). The new group was on dual-suspension 
carbon mtn bikes and had high-key clothing on…which is fine, but the only 
thing about us that stuck out in the whole scene was nothing, and as the 
ownerguy of Rivendell, I didn’t like the characterization that I sensed was 
going on, even if it was all wrong about it and just too defensive. I don’t 
always have the perfect clue on things like that.

Our bikes are normal. They’re just bikes, really good ones, but they’re 
designed by riding them, not by trends and fear of falling behind them, or 
out of a need to match our competition’s X-price point model. They aren’t 
what they aren’t, and they ought to get to be what they are. Argh. OK, 
enough of that, and happy days are here again.
"

On Wednesday, October 5, 2016 at 9:34:29 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>
>
> http://www.bikeforums.net/general-cycling-discussion/1067000-grant-petersen-threat-menace.html
>  
>  
>
> In the past, this group has linked to some virulent threads about GP and 
> RBW on Bike Forums.  
> The mods there don't seem to earn their keep in general, and extreme + 
> rude opinions are often allowed.  
> In spite of the title, a current thread has run 9 pages and the likes 
> overwhelmingly out-number the detractions.  
>

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[RBW] Re: Opinion on Jitensha Bar

[Scott McLain]

Thanks for all the input!  This has been very helpful.  I will likely go 
with the MAP bar for the rise.

Best,
Scott

On Friday, September 30, 2016 at 8:39:16 AM UTC-6, Scott McLain wrote:
>
> I am in my late forties and am starting to feel my back getting more sore 
> on and off the bike.  So I have been messing around with different bars. 
>  I'm doing it on my non-quill trucker so it is pretty easy to swap stuff 
> around.  I am not sure I like the hand position on the albatross, meaning 
> that I am not sure I like the large amount of sweep.  
>
> I wanted to try a bar with less sweep like the Jitensha or the Ahearn MAP 
> bar.  I also noticed a heron bar on the blue lug site which is like the 
> Jitensha .  I like the idea of a little rise which the Jitensha doesn't 
> have.  I would use the bike for riding around town and commuting.  I would 
> possibly do an extended tour with this bar also.
>
> Anybody have any pros and cons or experience with a different bar?  Any 
> input on a nice width?  The Jitensha (Nitto 2552) is 570mm and the Heron 
> (Nitto B354) is 630mm.
>
> Best,
> Scott
>

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[RBW] Opinion on Jitensha Bar

[Scott McLain]

I am in my late forties and am starting to feel my back getting more sore 
on and off the bike.  So I have been messing around with different bars. 
 I'm doing it on my non-quill trucker so it is pretty easy to swap stuff 
around.  I am not sure I like the hand position on the albatross, meaning 
that I am not sure I like the large amount of sweep.  

I wanted to try a bar with less sweep like the Jitensha or the Ahearn MAP 
bar.  I also noticed a heron bar on the blue lug site which is like the 
Jitensha .  I like the idea of a little rise which the Jitensha doesn't 
have.  I would use the bike for riding around town and commuting.  I would 
possibly do an extended tour with this bar also.

Anybody have any pros and cons or experience with a different bar?  Any 
input on a nice width?  The Jitensha (Nitto 2552) is 570mm and the Heron 
(Nitto B354) is 630mm.

Best,
Scott

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[RBW] Re: Hypothetical albastache handlebar setup

[Scott McLain]

Hi Jeremy,
I think the reason the Riv came out with the Choco bars is so that they 
could fill the space of the albastache but be able to use mountain brake 
levers.  You may want to consider.  

On Sunday, September 25, 2016 at 8:49:32 PM UTC-6, Jeremy Tavan wrote:
>
> I'm putting together a commuter bike for my 18-mile commute because my 
> fancy bikes are too fancy and my Clem is too long to fit nicely in the bike 
> racks on the train back home. So I'm going to build up an old English 
> 3-speed that will hopefully fit the bill. For handlebars, I am thinking 
> about using the albastache with two sets of brake levers: reverse levers in 
> the ends for the casual upright stance, and cyclocross-style interrupter 
> levers on the curves for when I'm riding more aggressively. 
>
> Has anyone tried this? If so, how'd it work for you? I wonder if the 
> interrupter levers will even mount on/near those curves.
>

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[RBW] Surly Pacer sizing

[Scott McLain]

I have a 58 pacer and I have an 87 pbh and I am 5-11.  Fits me pretty good.  
Surly publishes stand over heights.  I go off that with an inch or two to 
spare. 

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[RBW] Re: SHIPPING BY AMTRAK

[Scott McLain]

Hi Kellie,
I don't know if you intended to start in Cumberland MD, but if so you could 
see if the guys at Gravel and Grind would pick it up for you.  You could 
also bike flight it to them.

When I have done biking trips in the past, I would have one bike shop send 
my bike to another so that they could get better rates.  No longer 
necessary with bike flights.

Scott

On Wednesday, September 21, 2016 at 5:45:33 PM UTC-6, Kellie wrote:
>
> Anyone used Amtrak to ship their bike? Trying to get my bike to the east 
> coast. Have used BikeFlights, but looking for an alternative. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Which saddle for the Riv tandem?

[Scott McLain]

Michael makes the seminal point in choosing tandem seats; the stoker needs 
something extra to smooth out bumps.  I would go with the flier.  My wife is 
riding a flier on her bike and loves it.

Scott

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[RBW] Re: Becoming an "Unracer"

[Scott McLain]

Great story! Sounds familiar.  Great bike!

Thanks for sharing!

Scott

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[RBW] Re: Which Bikes Should Rivendell Keep? - Survey

[Scott McLain]

Here is a link to see the survey responses... up to 75

Survey Results Link 
<https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1tzm8kVi8b_-qE-ykhxM21ie83Q303d2jQ5EYdrpF-kI/viewanalytics>

On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 9:38:15 PM UTC-6, Scott McLain wrote:
>
> Okay,
> So to follow on to Tim's thread.  I have created a survey.  I will publish 
> the survey results here regularly as they come in.
>
> If this is offensive or problematic to anyone at Riv HQ, just let me know 
> and I will take it down. 
>
> Here is the link.
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSe6qRtlyVbw-WvQhRH5WYHXlsmitl_qY6EMiA9JOqevJpkO-A/viewform
>
> There are three questions:
>
> - How many Riv's do you own?
> - What five models should Riv continue to carry?  I limited this to five 
> to force folks to prioritize and choose.  You can choose less than five but 
> no more.
> - If you lost all your bikes, which Rivendell would you purchase new 
> first?  What I am trying to get at is what is the one Riv that you just 
> couldn't live without.  I know that this may not be a good case study since 
> your bike mix determines what you buy. For instance if you had an AHH and a 
> Hunq you would be less likely to purchase an Atlantis.  But if you could 
> only have one, you may want the Atlantis.  But it seamed like a relevant 
> question.
>
> There is also a section for comments.  
>

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[RBW] Re: IHPVA World Human Powered Speed Challenge - New Record: 88.26mph!

[Scott McLain]

It looks like they are all running compass barlow pass tires! 
 tongue-in-cheek :-)


On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 2:16:30 PM UTC-6, Clementine59 wrote:
>
> I follow this event from afar every year:
> http://www.recumbents.com/wisil/whpsc2016/speedchallenge.htm
>
> Today saw a new record of 88.26 mph (previous record was 86.65mph). 
>
> Results to date:
> http://www.recumbents.com/wisil/whpsc2016/results.htm
>
> Video of the record run:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp6JePiGSJY
>
> FYI, if you're interested.
>

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[RBW] Re: Which Bikes Should Rivendell Keep? - Survey

[Scott McLain]

Wow!  So I put this up less than twelve hours ago and already have over 30 
responses!

Use this Link to see the results as they come in.

Riv Survey Responses 
<https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1tzm8kVi8b_-qE-ykhxM21ie83Q303d2jQ5EYdrpF-kI/edit#responses>

Let me know if this link doesn't work.  It may be tied to my permissions.

Scott

On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 9:38:15 PM UTC-6, Scott McLain wrote:
>
> Okay,
> So to follow on to Tim's thread.  I have created a survey.  I will publish 
> the survey results here regularly as they come in.
>
> If this is offensive or problematic to anyone at Riv HQ, just let me know 
> and I will take it down. 
>
> Here is the link.
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSe6qRtlyVbw-WvQhRH5WYHXlsmitl_qY6EMiA9JOqevJpkO-A/viewform
>
> There are three questions:
>
> - How many Riv's do you own?
> - What five models should Riv continue to carry?  I limited this to five 
> to force folks to prioritize and choose.  You can choose less than five but 
> no more.
> - If you lost all your bikes, which Rivendell would you purchase new 
> first?  What I am trying to get at is what is the one Riv that you just 
> couldn't live without.  I know that this may not be a good case study since 
> your bike mix determines what you buy. For instance if you had an AHH and a 
> Hunq you would be less likely to purchase an Atlantis.  But if you could 
> only have one, you may want the Atlantis.  But it seamed like a relevant 
> question.
>
> There is also a section for comments.  
>

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[RBW] Re: Which Bikes Should Rivendell Keep? - Survey

[Scott McLain]

Wow!  We already have over 30 responses!  Here is how it looks so far.

<https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-RCWbjVzpiQQ/V9wIuQtULAI/Ayw/qKLmofp3ec88E1DtOKQxugcXBSp8vm4VACLcB/s1600/Capture.PNG>


On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 9:38:15 PM UTC-6, Scott McLain wrote:
>
> Okay,
> So to follow on to Tim's thread.  I have created a survey.  I will publish 
> the survey results here regularly as they come in.
>
> If this is offensive or problematic to anyone at Riv HQ, just let me know 
> and I will take it down. 
>
> Here is the link.
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSe6qRtlyVbw-WvQhRH5WYHXlsmitl_qY6EMiA9JOqevJpkO-A/viewform
>
> There are three questions:
>
> - How many Riv's do you own?
> - What five models should Riv continue to carry?  I limited this to five 
> to force folks to prioritize and choose.  You can choose less than five but 
> no more.
> - If you lost all your bikes, which Rivendell would you purchase new 
> first?  What I am trying to get at is what is the one Riv that you just 
> couldn't live without.  I know that this may not be a good case study since 
> your bike mix determines what you buy. For instance if you had an AHH and a 
> Hunq you would be less likely to purchase an Atlantis.  But if you could 
> only have one, you may want the Atlantis.  But it seamed like a relevant 
> question.
>
> There is also a section for comments.  
>

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[RBW] Which Bikes Should Rivendell Keep? - Survey

[Scott McLain]

Okay,
So to follow on to Tim's thread.  I have created a survey.  I will publish 
the survey results here regularly as they come in.

If this is offensive or problematic to anyone at Riv HQ, just let me know 
and I will take it down. 

Here is the link.

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSe6qRtlyVbw-WvQhRH5WYHXlsmitl_qY6EMiA9JOqevJpkO-A/viewform

There are three questions:

- How many Riv's do you own?
- What five models should Riv continue to carry?  I limited this to five to 
force folks to prioritize and choose.  You can choose less than five but no 
more.
- If you lost all your bikes, which Rivendell would you purchase new first? 
 What I am trying to get at is what is the one Riv that you just couldn't 
live without.  I know that this may not be a good case study since your 
bike mix determines what you buy. For instance if you had an AHH and a Hunq 
you would be less likely to purchase an Atlantis.  But if you could only 
have one, you may want the Atlantis.  But it seamed like a relevant 
question.

There is also a section for comments.  

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[RBW] Re: Which bikes should Rivendell keep selling?

[Scott McLain]

I thought it would be interesting if someone could set up a google survey 
on this to see how the numbers came back.  Like others have said, 
recognizing that there are a lot of variables that I don't know about and 
probably wouldn't understand, I will share my uneducated opinion.

Go build to order on the Waterford frames, but keep them all available. 
 Don't need to stock demo's at Riv HQ.  Even if this mean a small price 
increase.  This is a boundary condition for me.  I bought an AHH because I 
wanted a MUSA bike.  I am an engineer in the manufacturing industry.

>From there, and this is where it gets hard.
Keep the Sam, the quintessential Riv. and the Taiwan lower cost of entry 
country bike.
Keep the Cheviot, it is leading a step through renaissance.  With more 
roadies hitting 60, this bike will continue to sell.
Keep both the Clem models, maybe tweak the design a bit to fill the loss of 
the...
Drop Appy. I love the Apppaloosa, but... I mean I really love this bike, 
but if it is being marketed primarily as a loaded tourer, there is a lot of 
competition in that space and plenty of options.  If I really have to have 
a Riv for touring, I'm going to pony up the $$$ for the Atlantis.
Add Roadini, I think Riv is going to kill it on this bike.  The bike world 
is going bananas with comfortable geometry and endurance wiz bang.  When a 
person swings a leg over a beautiful steel road bike that has high handle 
bars, wow.  It is a better ride than anything else.

Scott


On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 7:48:47 PM UTC-6, Tim wrote:
>
> In Grants email that went out yesterday he said that they're going to be 
> discontinuing some models because there's not room to stock them all. 
> Soo.this should be a fun exercise (and for many of us a little gut 
> wrenching). Let's decide which bikes to keep and which to wave a fond 
> farewell to, remembering, of course, that I'm sure you could always get any 
> of the models as a custom. Grant didn't say how many they'd be keeping so 
> on your response you can either: 1. Say how many different types of bikes 
> to stock, and which ones, or 2. Rank them in order, with #1 being the bike 
> they absolutely must stock. Here's my list:
>
> Atlantis
> A. Homer Hilsen
> Roadeo
> Joe Appaloosa
> Clem Smith Jr.
> Clementine/Clem Smith Jr. L-Type
>
> My (probably flawed) reasoning:
> Atlantis must always be there. It's the quintessential Riv. Hilsen is an 
> awesome "country bike". Roadeo fills the "go fast" category. Clem is the 
> one for rough stuff and Clementine takes care of the mixte/step-through, at 
> a very good price. And the Joe Appaloosa is, for lack of a better 
> description, the "poor man's Atlantis. 
>
> Full disclosure: I currently have a Hilsen, Roadeo, Hunqapillar, and my 
> girlfriend has a Sam, with a tandem in the oven.
>
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[RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

[Scott McLain]

I was exited to get my new used Homer.  I have a couple of neighbors that 
are good friends and big bikers.  When it finally came, my neighbor came 
over and picked it up and said "it's kind of heavy, how much did you pay 
for it?".  

I live where I never see another Riv in the wild.  I ride it every day to 
work.  I don't know that anyone knows what it is or appreciates it like I 
do.  But I love it more and more with every ride.

My wife and I were in San Francisco last week and took our Riv's.  I got a 
few compliments there and saw a few other Riv's in the wild.  The Homer and 
Sam are the perfect bikes for the city.  The funnest trip we have had.  I 
highly recommend the Street's of San Francisco guided bike tour.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/100305995@N06/shares/g4aVZF

Scott

On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 6:44:59 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> This is so odd, or perhaps I just live in a very nice city. Not only have 
> I ever gotten only praise and interest for my Rivendells and other such 
> oddities, but I've been a favorite at one of the high end, Cervelo selling, 
> Madone stocking, carbon fiber living shops in town. Owners drooled over 
> Rivendells, 1958 Herse, late '70s Ken Rogers British Racing Trik*. Local 
> roadies and grocery store doofuses all say, "Nice bike!"
>
> Hell, I even had the owner of another now defunct high end store accept 
> the 30 lb rear wheel from a 3 speed Schwinn for spoke replacement and 
> truing without a single grimace or sotto voce comment, and this was 25 
> years ago before I had any real shop cred.
>
> (Though I did have a snarky youth make a deprecating comment about my hot 
> rodded 1992 XO-1 ... Perhaps it was the purple rims and SRAM drop bar twist 
> shifters?)
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 6:19 AM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> When I first started looking into building up my own bike, I visited an 
>> LBS and in conversation I casually mentioned RBW being an influence and the 
>> owner grimaced and said something to the effect of "stay away from those 
>> Rivendells..".About a year later, I was in there again and he was 
>> showing off his new Salsa that he chose for the frame material being steel 
>> and the chainstays longer.for comfort.   
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 10:55:59 PM UTC-5, PG wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>  Will Ashe wrote:
>>>
>>> I live in Los Angeles, and as such am intrigued. Would it be a Riv 
 dealer or just carry Riv like parts and gear?

 Will


 

>>>
>>> Will,
>>>
>>> By rivvish, I mean a shop that understands a wide variety of bike 
>>> designs, and accepts them all as valid. Or, to put it another way, a 
>>> shop where you can walk in with a Rivendell and not get laughed out the 
>>> door. (That's happened to me before.)
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Thinking of Selling my 56 A Homer Hilsen!

[Scott McLain]

Thanks Bill!
That was exactly my question. It seems like it would be much easier to ship 
a frame also.  By best, I meant best $ return, least waste $ and risk on 
shipping, fewest headaches.  I agree with your summary to sell as a 
frameset.

Scott


On Monday, August 29, 2016 at 1:28:57 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Scott asked if it is best to sell a used A Homer Hilsen or a used Atlantis 
> as a complete or as a frameset.  
>
> As with most things, it depends.  What do you mean by "best"?  Do you mean 
> "fewest headaches"?  Do you mean "least possible effort"?  Do you mean 
> "fewest days on the market"?  Do you mean "most possible dollars in your 
> pocket"?  
>
> Depending on what you mean, I'd usually say it's best to sell a frameset. 
>  Most people want just a frameset, because there is something about your 
> build that they don't like.  Most buyers don't have the energy to buy your 
> complete and then part it out themselves, even though some completes are so 
> darn cheap you could buy it and part it out and end up with a free 
> frameset.  
>
> The absolute worst thing to sell used is wheels for some reason.  A great 
> handbuilt wheelset, with great parts, can easily run $1000, but generally 
> you'd be lucky to get 1/3 of retail for a used wheelset.  It's crazy.  So 
> if you have a perfectly good wheelset on your complete(s) and it's a size 
> that you can use again, absolutely keep those.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, August 29, 2016 at 11:59:14 AM UTC-7, Scott McLain wrote:
>>
>> I think this is on topic enough... Someone let me know if I need to start 
>> a new thread.
>>
>> Is it best to sell an AHH or Atlantis as a complete bike or as a 
>> frameset?  I am considering a similar transaction.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>> On Monday, August 29, 2016 at 12:49:07 PM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> Anybody who thinks a complete AHH is selling for 950 needs to have their 
>>> head examined. 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Thinking of Selling my 56 A Homer Hilsen!

[Scott McLain]

I think this is on topic enough... Someone let me know if I need to start a 
new thread.

Is it best to sell an AHH or Atlantis as a complete bike or as a frameset? 
 I am considering a similar transaction.

Scott


On Monday, August 29, 2016 at 12:49:07 PM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Anybody who thinks a complete AHH is selling for 950 needs to have their 
> head examined. 

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[RBW] Re: Fantasyland Daydream: Ti "Riv"

[Scott McLain]

Hi Jay!
This is a bit of a dichotomy or oxy-moron.  I started riding a lot with a 
1999 Titanium LeMond Victiore.  Made by Trek in Wisconsin.  It was a 
beautiful titanium and rode really nice.  It had just the right amount of 
compliance and spring.  But it was a serious racing geometry with a super 
long top tube and me being a short torso person, was not a good fit.  So I 
am not disposed to hate on titanium.  However...

The only advantages I can think of for titanium over steel is weight and 
corrosion resistance.   I love it when i show my road biker buddies my AHH 
and they all lift it up to see how good it is.  Clearly I didn't choose an 
AHH because of its weight.   Corrosion resistance is easy to deal with.  It 
is primarily a problem when it is completely ignored.

There is also the question of the fork.  It couldn't be carbon and be a Riv 
Ti, so it would be steel or chromed steel?  I've never seen nor heard of a 
titanium fork.

Steel has a couple of material properties that are very unique.  There is a 
reason that springs are made out of steel.  It has an ultimate fatigue 
life, which means it can spring over and over again without becoming 
brittle.  It also has a yield stress lower than its ultimate stress which 
means it bends before it breaks.

There are more exotic steels than 4130 chrome-moly.  Maybe that would be 
more interesting.

Debbie Downer,

Scott


On Saturday, August 27, 2016 at 9:51:02 AM UTC-6, Call Me Jay wrote:
>
> Who would build it? Hampsten Cycles? Discuss.

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[RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Scott McLain]

Hi Tim,
Steve is correct.  This winter I talked a friend of mine into going on a 
week long self supported tour.  He ran out and bought an LHT frame and then 
started buying parts for it.  He ended up with a 10 speed mess.  I run a 
9-speed mountain cassette, rear der, and road bar end shifter.  He was 
trying to do the same, but with 10-speed.  He came to me when it didn't 
work and I was stumped.  He just figured he would be going friction 
shifting from then on.  I dug in and researched the problem.  Shimano 
changed the ratio of cable pull to deraileur movement on their 10-speed 
mountain but left their road alone.  So the way to look at it is Shimano 
8,9,&10 speed road shifters will work with 8 and 9 speed mountain 
deraileurs and 8, 9, and 10 road or mountain cassettes.  My buddy took an 
8-speed derailleur off his old mountain bike and put it on his 10-speed 
system and it worked great.  I am planning on sticking with 9-speed.  It 
all works and you can still buy all the pieces new.  

I have 8-speed silver friction on my AHH.  I like it.  It kind of goes with 
the AHH attitude.

Scott


On Wednesday, May 25, 2016 at 8:38:33 PM UTC-6, Tim Butterfield wrote:
>
> I've been thinking of getting a Rivendell bicycle for a long time.  I 
> first joined this group to lurk back in 2010 and have been a member and 
> sometimes lurker since then.  But, I had not made the commitment and 
> purchased a Riv.  The closest I came was getting a Velo-Orange Rando.  That 
> was sort of rivish.  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/timbutterfield/sets/72157624827193423
>
> Being in the suburbs of Chicago near O'Hare airport limited my comfort 
> using it the way it should have been.  That bike was sold before I left 
> Chicago to live full-time in an RV.  Once we decided to settle in 
> Anacortes, WA (still in the RV), I purchased a Specialized AWOL Comp, 
> definitely not rivish.  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/timbutterfield/sets/72157644371355428
>
> It's a nice bike, but I now want something more rivish, this time, the 
> real thing.  I'm thinking of getting either the Roadeo or the A Homer 
> Hilsen.  I like the idea of the liveliness and sportiness of the Roadeo, 
> but like the bit of extra versatility of the AHH also.  With my weight at 
> 200+ (PBH 33" or 83.8cm, age 51), I'm leaning towards the AHH instead of 
> the Roadeo.  I can start more roadish with the AHH and, as I build my 
> abilities further, expand the bike to fit new and/or different tasks 
> without having to change frames.
>
> So, I'm fairly settled on getting my first Riv, one of the two mentioned. 
>  My pondering now is mostly on how to appoint it.  My Rando was more modern 
> with the 105 setup.  The AWOL was definitely modern with discs and SRAM 
> setup.  But, I'm not tied to that.  Though I haven't used it much, I like 
> the looks of a quill stem, drop bars, and downtube shifters.  It looks 
> clean and simple.  I'm just not sure what it's like to live with.  I expect 
> that, like many things, it is a matter of adapting to it.  But, using DT 
> shifters or bar ends does set a direction as neither would work with an 
> 11-speed I could have instead.  I'm trying to consider the pros and cons of 
> each.
>
> With my AWOL, I leave it locked to the cabana just outside my RV.  Some 
> RVs have sufficient inside storage for a bike.  Mine doesn't.
>
> My questions to the group are these:  As I am not yet doing longer 
> distances, are there still benefits to the more traditional setups?  If I 
> pick either one, what might I later miss the other may have provided?  Are 
> there likely to be any weather related or other wear issues leaving a Riv 
> locked to the RV park cabana like I do my AWOL?  I'm doubtful of that, but 
> don't want to mistreat it either.  Any thing else I should consider?
>
> Thanks for any advice you have.
>
> Tim
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[RBW] Re: Atlantis vs Appaloosa

[Scott McLain]

You and me both!

On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 6:49:55 AM UTC-6, Kellie wrote:
>
> I confess, when I bought my Saluki off this list, I posted for an Atlantis 
> or Saluki. The Saluki can up first and I went with it. I already had a 
> Cheviot and needed something for longish rides on the road. I love the 
> Cheviot but it is heavy and difficult to get on a bike rack. Now I really 
> love the Saluki for my long rides. I've got it dialed in and it's super 
> comfy. But in the back of my mind I've *always* wanted that Atlantis. So 
> here I am again. Though I believe the Appaloosa would be an excellent 
> choice, and the butternut is beautiful, I think the only reason I would 
> consider another bike other than the Atlantis is money. And though money is 
> an important factor, I don't know it's the most important factor. 
> So I'm considering selling the Cheviot and *crossing my fingers a 
> used frame will become available.*
>
> On Monday, August 22, 2016 at 9:57:50 AM UTC-7, Kellie wrote:
>>
>> Just wondering what you guys think?  I really want an Atlantis but a new 
>> one is out of my budget.  Intended use is mostly off road like fire trails, 
>> cross country riding; NOT crazy downhill, rock gardens etc.  Since the 
>> Appaloosa is supposed to be somewhere between the Hillborne and the Hunq, 
>> I'm wondering if an Appaloosa would be an appropriate  substitute?
>>
>>  Big price difference between the two. I'm sure there is a tubing 
>> difference. But the Appaloosa has the Hunq fork so that's plenty strong. 
>> Maybe better cosmetics, detailed lugging on the Atlantis.  So you say why 
>> not get a Hunq? But if I'm going to pop for a new Hunq I might as will buy 
>> a new Atlantis. What do you think?
>>
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[RBW] Re: Atlantis vs Appaloosa

[Scott McLain]

Hi Kellie,
It may be helpful to the group to tell us what kind of bike(s) you 
currently own and if you are replacing one or adding to your collection.  I 
find myself in the same conundrum wanting an Atlantis.  

I currently own an AHH that I bought used(A. Homer Hilsen) which I love.  I 
use it for my everyday/everything bike.  But I plan on doing a loaded week 
long tour once per year.  I keep a Surly Long Haul Trucker in the garage 
for my extended tours and mega loads, but would love to replace it with an 
Atlantis.  But if I had an Atlantis, there would be too much overlap with 
the AHH? 

First world problems for sure.

Scott

On Monday, August 22, 2016 at 10:57:50 AM UTC-6, Kellie wrote:
>
> Just wondering what you guys think?  I really want an Atlantis but a new 
> one is out of my budget.  Intended use is mostly off road like fire trails, 
> cross country riding; NOT crazy downhill, rock gardens etc.  Since the 
> Appaloosa is supposed to be somewhere between the Hillborne and the Hunq, 
> I'm wondering if an Appaloosa would be an appropriate  substitute?
>
>  Big price difference between the two. I'm sure there is a tubing 
> difference. But the Appaloosa has the Hunq fork so that's plenty strong. 
> Maybe better cosmetics, detailed lugging on the Atlantis.  So you say why 
> not get a Hunq? But if I'm going to pop for a new Hunq I might as will buy 
> a new Atlantis. What do you think?
>

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[RBW] Re: Tire advice

[Scott McLain]

Hi Bo,
It may help the group to know a little more about where you ride.  If you 
are high in the Rockies like the Deacon you may want something a little 
different than if you were in a super urban area like Brooklyn.

I live out in the suburbs in Utah and ride the SOMA new xpress which is a 
variant of the pasella PT.  Being in the high desert we have a fair amount 
of goat head thorns. The goat heads are the only thing that has flatted my 
new xpress tires.  I am currently running 700x35 but would like to dial 
back to the 700x32.  You can also get the new xpress in a terracotta tread 
color that can look really cool depending on your bike color.  SOMA also 
has a new tire called the Shikoro that also looks interesting.  
http://www.somafab.com/archives/product/shikoro-700c-clincher-tire

Best,
Scott

On Thursday, August 11, 2016 at 8:35:16 AM UTC-6, bo richardson wrote:
>
> This has been worked over here a lot, but. I want to back off schwalbe 
> marathons and try something livelier on my Rambouillet.
> Bike tires direct has Pasela PTs, gravel kings, and ruffy tuffies for 
> about  the same price.
> Mostly I do 50 mile day rides with this bike.
> Fenders and figuring 32s
> Any strong preferences?

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

[Scott McLain]

If you are concerned about the girl bike thing, look at Mark in Beacon's 
pictures on flickr of his clementine.  Looks pretty tough when loaded with 
necessary accessories.  I think the swamp green Chev is pretty tough 
myself.  You could also make it look even tougher with the bullmoose 
boscos. If you are looking for an upright ride, the chev, clem, or 
appaloosa would be the way to go.  That dirty banana color on the happy 
appy is super cool!  Riv is lengthening the chainstays to better support 
the upright ride.  If you aren't sure about upright and want to be able to 
change between upright bars and drop bars, the Sam would hit the spot.

I wouldn't worry about frame flex on a riv.  If anything they are built on 
the stout side.

Bikes are like potato chips, you always want one more.

Scott




On Tuesday, August 9, 2016 at 6:45:34 AM UTC-6, SeanMac wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> I had the opportunity to spend a few hours at Riv HQ a few Saturday's 
> ago.  I had a wonderful time - I rode four bikes (Clem, Cheviot, Sam and 
> Hubbuhubbah), and walked away with a medium saddlesack bag.  Still smile 
> when I think about the fun I had.  Most of my riding (about an hour) was 
> done on the Clem.  I enjoyed the ride, but it did not really speak to me.  
> Perhaps it was just too different from the bikes that I typically ride.  
> Strangely enough, the bike that emerged as my favorite was the Cheviot.  I 
> can't seem to get it out of my head.  In fact, ever since I returned home, 
> I have been trying to figure out if I loved the Chev enough to purchase one 
> before they go away.  Here is my situation.
>
> About ten years ago I had a custom-built Bob Brown Cycle made for me.  I 
> nearly bought a Rambouillet, but chose Bob Brown instead.  It was my 
> poor-man's red convertible that I got for my 40th birthday.  That bike 
> complimented my circa 1990 Trek 520 quite well.  My Bob Brown was 
> quick-ish, sporty and fun to ride.  However, as the years went by, I found 
> it to be increasingly uncomfortable for longer ride.  Two years ago I 
> bought a Black Mountain Road bike.  This bike has a bit more relaxed 
> geometry.  I really love this bike - it is much more comfortable than Bob 
> Brown, and has become the bike that I grab most often.  In fact, Bob Brown 
> typically sees the road only once or twice a year - it is typically the 
> bike that I use on my indoor trainer.  My Trek 520 has been turned into a 
> grocery-getter.  However, it does not bring me a great deal of joy to ride, 
> but it gets the job done.
>
> In my mind, I see the Cheviot as a replacement for my Trek 520.  Nearly 
> all of the components that I have on the Trek would easily transfer to the 
> Chev - meaning that my initial output of cash would be only for the frame.
>
> I've read through everything that I can find on the list about the 
> Cheviot.  I would love to hear impressions from those who have had the bike 
> long term.  Likes?  Dislikes?  Dealing with the "guy on a girl's bike" 
> thing is perhaps an issue.  However, as I approach 50 I see the benefit of 
> the lower top tube.  Besides, when I rode the Cheviot in Walnut Creek, I 
> did not even think about the fact that I was riding a mixte, as I was 
> simply enjoying the ride.
>
> I live in a small town in western New York - with short rides (mile or 
> two) to the co-op grocery store, library, post office, etc.  This is the 
> type of riding, along with occasional paved and/or gravel path riding) that 
> I see myself doing with a Cheviot.  What do you think -- good choice in 
> bikes?
>
> What about a Sam?  I rode a Sam the other day as well, but it was set up 
> with Noodle bars, and rode much more like a typical road bike.  If I set it 
> up with Albatross bars, bags, etc how would it likely compare with the 
> Cheviot?  Would it ride the same and put the same smile on my face without 
> causing me and/or those seeing me question my manliness?
>
> Any insight on these issues would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Sean
> East Aurora, NY
>

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[RBW] Re: Albatross bars ???

[Scott McLain]

Hi Alex,
This is a great question.  I am considering the same thing on my AHH.  My 
wife has a bosco bar on her betty foy and she has the longest stem I have 
ever seen and the cockpit is still a bit cramped.  The Albatross has the 
section of the bar that extends forward to make room for the grip section 
of the bar without cramping the cock-pit as much

So... I put a SOMA Oxford bar (similar to the albatross) that I had laying 
around on my Long Haul Trucker to try it out (Thread-less stems are a bit 
easier to swap handlebars on).  So far it doesn't feel cramped at all.  I 
am 5-11, the LHT is a 58 with a 90mm stem flipped up.  I am real 
comfortable on it, but it still feels weird.  I have never ridden this type 
of bar, so I plan on riding it this way for a while to see if I end up 
liking it.  I am 48 years old and I think that I will probably be ready for 
the full time upright ride in a few more years.  

It reminds me of the first time I got on a Rivendell.  It was a size 60 
Romulus. Being used to racing bikes, it felt super weird, and different. 
Now I'm hooked.

My son has taken a real liking to the new config.  He opts for the LHT over 
his mountain bike for general riding around the neighborhood.

Best,
Scott

On Tuesday, August 2, 2016 at 12:27:41 PM UTC-6, Alex Zeibot wrote:
>
> Hey!
> A quick question. I'm switching the drop bars on my Homer Hilsen to 
> Albatross.  Any advice on length adjustment on stem?
> Currently I have 90mm stem. My inference based on observations would 
> dictate to get 110mm, a 20mm longer to retain handling comfort. 
> Am I right?
> A little help here, please. 
> Thanks!
> Alex
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 10-30 minute rides

[Scott McLain]

Eat Bacon Don't Jog has some really interesting chapters on this subject (41, 
42, 79).  Grants interview on NPR was a real life changer for me. you can 
search for it on NPR.org.

My wife has started to ride to work with me in the mornings (5 miles), and it 
has been really fun!!  It forced me to explore new routes (my route was the 
shortest distance between two points and was a little sketchy for her).  She 
usually wants to take the harder route through the big drainage we have to 
cross because she likes to race me up the other side and she usually wins 
(because I'm not stupid).  The mornings are spectacular where I live and so my 
rides to work in the morning with my wife are my favorite rides!  All done in 
my work clothes!

I was reminded of Grants message to not ruin the joy of just riding by making 
it all about the challenge or keeping score this weekend.  My neighbors who 
know I ride talked me into helping them fill a spot on their relay race team in 
a race from Salt Lake to Las Vegas.  It was good to spend time with friends, 
and I enjoyed my legs of the event even though it was super hot.  

Scott




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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Chronicles

[Scott McLain]

My wife rides a betty with a bosco bar.  It has a super long stem to offset 
some of the reach back of the bosco.  Her betty is a 58 so it is already a 
big size.  The bosco's really make the cockpit shorter so there is not 
enough room to operate for my taste.  I think if you go to the boscos you 
will want to make sure that your stem is long, like a 12cm (120mm).  My 
wife is 5-8 (I can't share any more of her measurements without her 
permission).

Here are some pictures
https://flic.kr/p/HTwwiz

I think the albatross bar is more elegant, but the boscos will raise things 
up quite a bit.  Another option would be to use the "dirt drop" style stem 
on your albatross bar.

Best,
Scott



On Sunday, July 24, 2016 at 2:10:46 PM UTC-6, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> A terrible thing happened this vacation. I lent my Betty Foy, the bike I 
> swore was perfect in every way possible, to a relative and rode my 
> husband's 52 Clem. I swear I didn't mean to cheat, and it was only a few 
> rides, but alas, I'm now feeling dissatisfied with my Albatross bars and 
> have an unhealthy desire to have whatever those bars on the Clem are. It's 
> so unexpected; as I said, it was just a few rides, but now my bars feel so 
> LOW. They're maxed out as high as I can put them, so what else is there to 
> do? I am leery of changing bars because there are all these SIZES and 
> MEASUREMENTS and talk of the bars being closer to you and top tube length, 
> blah blah. Not a language I speak. I only understand that those are 
> comfortable bars and I want them on my bike, but I don't know which bars 
> and if they will work, and it looks like a lot of work and expense to make 
> the swap. I've thought I may call Riv and chat with them, but I always get 
> starstruck and tongue-tied when I call them. 
>
> So, I come to you.
>
> I have a 55 Betty with Albatross bars. 
> 1. Can a Bosco-type bar work? What about all this top tube talk? 
> 2. What is really the difference between Bosco and Bullmoose? 
> 3. How do you choose the sizes?
> 4. Why is the Bullmoose so expensive compared to Bosco?
> 5. I have a steep uphill commute home from the boys' school. Can you stand 
> up and pedal/climb with a Bosco bar?
> 6. Am I going to mess up all the other stuff I like about the fit of my 
> Betty if I change bars?
>
> If I'm better off calling Riv, I'll do it. But if you have sage advice 
> prior to me making that awkward phone call, I'll take it. Ha!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: First S24O, on the C Canal

[Scott McLain]

Love this story!  Thanks!  I have six kids of my own.  I have ridden the 
C with my older kids when I lived in Manassas, VA.  We did a campout 
there in June and it was hotter than ...  it was hot all night, and I never 
slept.

Great work!  Kids need good Dads to take them on S24O's.  A lot of our 
social problems would be greatly improved if we had more good Dads.

Scott



On Wednesday, July 20, 2016 at 10:12:46 PM UTC-6, John Stowe wrote:
>
> With my wife out of town for the week last week, to break up the full-time 
> childcare marathon I decided to declare a camping trip for me and my 3 
> ("and a half!") year old son. The weather and open schedule lined up to set 
> off Thursday afternoon. We camped with him last summer on a road trip, so 
> he remembered and was excited about sleeping in a tent etc., but this was 
> the first S24O (and first bike camping trip) either of us had been on. With 
> the child seat blocking the rear rack, I was grateful for the carrying 
> capacity of my Pass & Stow rack up front. Warm weather meant we could 
> lighten the load by skipping sleeping bags.
>
> 
>
>
> In the morning my passenger got a surprise gift of binoculars which 
> successfully kept him occupied on a long ride for him, over 2 hours of 
> riding plus breaks. It was a Very Hot Day, 90+, though not as humid as DC 
> can sometimes be. The first 8 miles (of 24), from Alexandria to Georgetown 
> on the Mount Vernon Trail, is part of my old commute and a route I still 
> ride several times a week - it was interesting to take it at a much slower 
> pace than usual (though not reduced effort!). Fortunately we left early 
> enough that we didn't get caught up in tangles of commuter traffic, so I 
> didn't have to do much regaining my momentum. The climb up to the Key 
> Bridge has a very steep bit which actually forced me into "granny gear" - a 
> rarity in our fairly flat surroundings. I was glad for the foresight of 
> including 24/32 gearing when I was selecting components 4 years ago!
>
> The shade on the C Canal towpath helped with the heat considerably, and 
> the change in scenery made things more interesting for both of us. We took 
> a couple of 'nature breaks' and snack/water stops and slowed down a few 
> times to check out birds and fish in the canal. My Sam Hillborne handled 
> the packed dirt/stone towpath quite well, with the front/back loading much 
> closer to evenly balanced than I've gotten used to with my son in his rear 
> seat. I wondered if the 35mm Schwalbe Delta Cruisers I have on it for city 
> riding might not be wide enough for the load + dirt, but they did fine - if 
> we were doing a multi-day trip, though, something wider would be better. I 
> was able to pin down a handling quirk I had felt a few times before with 
> heavy front loads, when the steering would start to feel springy. I thought 
> before that it was play in the rack, but the slightly rougher dirt surface 
> didn't seem to bother it at all. The Pass & Stow is very solid. Instead the 
> springiness I felt in large steering inputs seemed was due to twisting in 
> the stem! The leverage of the wide Bosco Bullmoose bars combined with the 
> inertia of the rack load gave me something to push against and wind it up - 
> enough to see the twist in the bars relative to the rack. Next time I have 
> a big load I will try adding some Irish Straps between the bars and the 
> load/rack to see if they help firm things up.
>
> 
>
>
> We got to the campsite (Swain's Lock, for those who know the C) about 
> 7pm, just in time for dinner. We brought spaghetti, [no longer frozen] 
> meatballs and sauce from home and cooked it on the Trangia. My previous 
> attempt at using the Trangia was on a very windy beach at Nag's Head, NC, 
> where I was burning through fuel faster than I could get water boiling. 
> This time it was much more efficient, and actually got a bit too hot at the 
> bottom. I had to pick some burned noodles off the pot later. Set up the 
> tent while dinner cooked, and ready for bed just-like-that. Except: unlike 
> most of the campgrounds, which have wells with hand pumps to provide water, 
> this had a standpipe that was... turned off. A check on my smartphone 
> revealed that it had been for some time. I had brought along a filter "just 
> to be safe" with the well water and ended up using it to filter 6L of water 
> straight from the Potomac. I was very dehydrated from the hot day and the 
> effort, and did not plan for enough water carrying capacity - the nearest 
> fresh water was a 5 mile round trip back down the canal to the Great Falls 
> visitor center, and I would have had a hard time coaxing my now sleepy 
> passenger back onto the bike. The overnight temperature didn't get much 
> below 80, a bit hotter than I would have liked, but we managed with shirts 
> off and a bedsheets 

[RBW] Re: I'm old but not dead yet

[Scott McLain]

Okay, I am relatively new here and don't want to sound like a heretic, but 
I personally don't use a torque wrench.  Certain torque wrenches need to be 
re-calibrated periodically.  I would be curious to know what bolt 
connection the riv folks use a torque wrench for versus just putting things 
on using common sense.  

I bought a new bike many years back from a new shop and the owner built it 
up, all using a torque wrench.  I was there as he was finishing up.  I was 
impressed.  I thought, wow he's using a torque wrench.  Well on my first 
ride, my handle bars and my crank was loose... very loose.  Obviously, he 
needed a new torque wrench or to have his calibrated.

I love the appeal that come with using a torque wrench, but I think you 
still want to use common sense.

Best,
Scott

On Thursday, July 21, 2016 at 4:23:22 AM UTC-6, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> I am an old man in a dry month,
> Being read to by a boy waiting for the rain.
>   T.S. Eliot
>
> Yep, guys in lycra now go by so fast they don''t have time to say hello. 
>  I see that my bike repair manual has a 1981 copyright.  My tools are all 
> pretty much old too, but aging better than me.  Arthritis in my left hand, 
> and I can no longer trust the strength in my arms to tell me when a bolt is 
> tight enough.   I can't hold the old beam style torque wrench and bend over 
> to read it at the same time.
>
> So, I need a one of those "new" clique style, or electronic torque 
> wrench.  But which one?  and ouch look at the price!  I looked at a 
> Craftsman, but the online reviews were not encouraging.  Ditto, 
> surprisingly, for Park.  And of course for complete bike coverage one 
> really needs two torque wrenches.  Topeak sells one that covers the full 
> range of our needs but there are no dealers here in northern VT, so I would 
> have to go to Quebec and buy one with the owners manual in French.  Or, 
> sight unseen, online, for a whopping $269.
>
> What's your experience?
>
> Michael
>

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[RBW] Pokemon Go!

[Scott McLain]

The Homer getting in on all the action!  One of the joys of having young 
kids... or not so young.




https://flic.kr/p/JYvtPt

Seriously, my boys have put on more miles in the last week than any time I 
can remember playing the game!

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[RBW] WTB: Mixte or Tiny Riv. 46-50cm

[Scott McLain]

Saturday Cycles in Salt Lake City has a very small Betty Foy that has never 
been built.  Email Mark at saturdaycyc...@gmail.com

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Re: [RBW] New Rivendell

[Scott McLain]

Hi Tim,
I shared your thoughts when I bought my first Riv not long ago.  I enjoy the 
uniqueness of my Riv more and more.  It is unique in two ways, unique to 
typical bikes being sold today, but most importantly unique to me because I can 
customize it to make it "my own" (fenders, bar tape, etc.)

It may take you a few months to get used to it, but I think you will enjoy the 
extra unique/weird factor with the DTT.  It will be another thing that makes it 
uniquely yours!

Best,
Scott

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[RBW] Re: Clementine Climbs a Mountain

[Scott McLain]

I agree with Rich.  The Clementine looks much cooler loaded up with stuff. 
 Thanks for sharing your experience and the pics!

Scott

On Monday, June 27, 2016 at 8:25:21 AM UTC-6, RichS wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> Your good looking Clementine seems right at home in the wild. Visually 
> more appealing than the neutral pics Riv uses on its website. 
> Thanks for the report.
>
> Best,
> Richard
>
> On Sunday, June 26, 2016 at 9:57:48 PM UTC-4, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> More photos here:
>> https://goo.gl/photos/ZyGgMw2E4UyfmphV6
>>
>> With all the talk of pedal strike and long chainstays and off road 
>> riding, as threatened, I took my Clementine up our little mountain 
>>  to see how it would make 
>> out. To get the full 1,500 feet of elevation, I started down at the Hudson 
>> River, stopping by the farmers market before heading along river and creek 
>> trails, then about a mile or so of back roads before hitting the real 
>> climbing starting at Union and then East Main, which runs straight up to 
>> the access road (official vehicles only). It's been a few years since I 
>> climbed it on a bicycle, which is really the only time I go up via this 
>> road, which is not as scenic as some of the other trails. You can see from 
>> the photos that there is a big erosion problem--it's certainly a lot worse 
>> than the last time I climbed it. Last month a truck servicing the towers 
>> went off the road and fell 65 feet into a small creek 
>> .
>>  
>>
>>
>> The Clementine, as expected with the long chain stays, had minimal rear 
>> tire slippage, even in the loosest, steepest sections of the climb. The 
>> bottom bracket on this bike is definitely the lowest of all my bikes, but 
>> despite riding on severe cambers and over numerous rocks, both 
>> stationary/buried and loose/surface, pedal strike occurred only once, a 
>> glancing blow at that. I did not "clean" the climb, putting down 3 or 4 
>> times, and walking a total of a hundred feet or less. But a more skilled 
>> rider would likely not have had any issues. As a city dweller from 1984 to 
>> 2000, with no car to escape, I missed the entire mountain biking thing. (I 
>> did do one NORBA race, and I got an early Kestrel mt. bike as payment for 
>> an ad in my magazine, I guess some time around 1992, but rarely rode it.) 
>>
>> The front end had a tendency to over steer slightly, but that may have 
>> been due in part to the fact that I had a few pounds in the front, nothing 
>> much in the panniers, and when going slowly uphill and trying to avoid 
>> large rocks or gravel wash, I assume I am tensing my upper body a bit when 
>> trying to make a "save", all of which contribute to a front with a mind of 
>> its own. Also, due to the shifter being blocked by the bullmoose bars, I 
>> was locked out of my lowest gear in the back, a permanent condition until I 
>> switch out the shifters. Still, I very rarely felt the imperative to stand, 
>> even on big pitches.
>>
>> Going back down (there are other trails down, but they almost require 
>> full suspension--I did it once on a rigid Trek 990, never again) was not as 
>> bad as I was expecting--no forearm pump or anything like that. Of course I 
>> kept the speed at "56-year-old with a young kid" but even so, the bike 
>> handled nicely, even when I sent it over runs of softball-sized rocks. 
>>
>> Most of the bike is the stock complete build, except for the saddle, 
>> pedals, and shifters. The front tire is the stock Kenda Kwick, the rear, 
>> due to a Riv packing mishap involving a box cutter, is a Big Ben.
>>
>> For some, this may be run-of-the-mill terrain, but for me, this is 
>> certainly beyond what I would ask the bike to do 99 percent of the time. 
>> While I suspect the low pedal position might require some caution on rough 
>> trails, a combination of rudimentary skill and probably a little luck kept 
>> me clear. All in all, the Clementine kept its composure and handled the 
>> challenge with aplomb. I am redoing a bottom bracket on my Miyata Ridge 
>> Runner and putting on some Thunder Burts; once that actually happens I'll 
>> take it up for a comparison run.
>>
>> https://goo.gl/photos/ZyGgMw2E4UyfmphV6
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: 700c Tire Advice

[Scott McLain]

Hi Erl,
I just finished a 350 mile tour on the Schwalbe Greenguards in the 700x38 
with no flats.  They are heavy (because they are heavy duty) but they roll 
great! They are built like a car tire. The shape of the tire is a little 
weird.  The tread is narrower than the tire at its widest point.  In one 
way, you get the benefit of the smoother ride of the larger tire, but the 
reduced rolling resistance of the narrower tread.  It just looks a little 
different, but there is no doubt that these things will go a long time.

I rode little ben's on my commuter for over a year.  They are supple, but 
are heavy and felt a little slow to me versus the 700 x 35 SOMA new-xpress 
tires I replaced them with, which I still ride on my commuter.  The little 
ben's also got flats, not many, but a goat head could take them down.

If you are looking for zero maintenance and affordability, I don't thing 
you could beat the schwalbe marathon greenguards or their new marathon plus.

Scott

On Saturday, June 25, 2016 at 8:48:54 AM UTC-6, WETH wrote:
>
> My Cheviot has room for 700x40 tires with fenders according to Riv specs. 
>  The Cheviut will be used for daily commuting and loaded touring/s24o 
> trips.  Riding will be mostly done on pavement with some non-technical dirt 
> and gravel trails.  I value flat protection highly, as I loath changing 
> flats on the way to work!
>
> I am coming from 26" wheel bikes (Atlantis and LHT) where I had phenomenal 
>  success with Big Apples 26x2.1 and Compass 26x1.75 tires.
>
> Rivendell has two options in the close to 700x40 size:  Schwalbe Little 
> Big Ben wire, RaceGuard Performance line, HS439 - 700c x 38 (40-622, 
> 28x1.5) - 10128
> And 
> Schwalbe Marathon GreenGuard HS420 tire
>
> Compass has the 700C x 38 Barlow Pass.
>
> Jack Browns seem too narrow (about 33.mm) when I have room to approach 
> 40mm.
>
> I would appreciate learning the merits of these tires and which would work 
> better for me.  What is the difference between the Marathons and Little Big 
> Bens besides weight?  Do the marathons give greater flat protection? Do the 
> Barlow Pass have the flat protection of the Schwalbes? Are there other tire 
> options I should be considering?  I am feeling a bit overwhelmed by options 
> and a bit clueless especially in comparing marathons to Lil Big Bens of 
> almost identical  size and price.
>
> With appreciation,
> Erl
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Finding fun in un-un-racing

[Scott McLain]

Hi Bill,
I think it is great that you are serving you community as a volunteer!  So 
I am just curious... What kind of bike are you riding the hill climb on?

Scott


On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 2:08:58 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Being the team mechanic for the local High School Mountain Bike Racing 
> team has been pretty inspirational.  Seeing the kids set goals and make 
> competitive progress has been an almost fountain of youth experience for 
> this 47 year old un-racer.  At the end of season team party, the head coach 
> announced the kids one at a time, and among other accomplishments kept 
> referring to the kids' time in "the time trial".  I didn't know what that 
> was.  The coach pointed me to a Strava segment, called "BHS Time Trial". 
>  Here's a link:  https://www.strava.com/segments/1963179
>
> So, I went ahead and got my free Strava App on my iPhone and went up into 
> the Berkeley Hills to check it out.  My goal was to beat the time of our 
> slightly plump 50-something Coach Gary.  I was told he was in the 14:45 
> range.  The ride is a short but steep climb, and it is extremely rocky. 
>  Climbing out of the saddle is completely out of the question and it's a 
> physical challenge maintaining balance and keeping the bike pointed up the 
> hill.  My first attempt was last week, the 11th, and I did it in 13:32.  My 
> second attempt was this weekend, and I did it in 12:16.  I'm told that 
> 12:00 is the traditional cutoff for the A-Group of racers, so I've got a 
> measurable training goal.  I'm not racing, but I'm not un-racing either, so 
> I'm going to call it "un-un-racing".  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: Nine Speed Index Setup

[Scott McLain]

Be careful going to ten speed.  Remember that 9-speed shimano road works 
with 9-speed shimano mountain.  But with ten speed it does not.  I would 
stick with 9-speed.  If you go to 10-speed mountain cassette, you can use 
your same deraileur (probably) but you will need to get the micro-shift 
mountain bar ends.  This what surly is building their new LHT with.

There are great youtube videos out there on how to adjust your rear 
derailleur.  I think your cable just needs adjusted.  

Scott

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 4:05:25 PM UTC-6, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> Ok, this is a bit off topic, my apologies, but I am perplexed.
>
> I run 9 speed silver friction shifter on all of my bikes except the 
> tandem, which has Shimano bar ends.  I usually run it in friction, mostly 
> because I don't have regular experience with indexing and when they need 
> adjustment, I struggle until I say, oh the hell with it.  But I have been 
> trying to get this indexing right because I am thinking I want to try 10 
> speed on this bike.  So here's what's happening.
>
> I can lift the chain from the outside 11 to the inside 28 in consistent 
> steps, but when I try to drop the chain it hangs up for an extra click 
> right at the start  and then jumps across the 12 to the 11 at the end. 
>  Occasionally, it will jump from the 9 to the 7 position on the second 
> click.   Everything works OK in friction mode, although the 9 to 8 did seem 
> a bit wider, so I tightened the low set screw until the chain would just 
> barely reach, then backed it out a couple of degrees.  This made no 
> difference.  It just occurred to me that I have not measured the chain, but 
> it's hard to see how that could cause this behavior.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Hot, even in VT.
>
> Michael
>

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[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

[Scott McLain]

I think the San Marcos is going to be a great bike for you.  I also believe 
it takes a quill stem which if you go with the Tallux will let you put the 
bars nice so you can keep your drop bars if you like.

Scott

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 8:00:22 AM UTC-6, PineTarSoap wrote:
>
> I would like to get my first Riv bike. I mainly plan to commute with this 
> bike (17 mi roundtrip, hills) and do the occasional road ride. I have a 
> neck pain issue and I am hoping a more upright position and fatter tires 
> will help. I have a nice carbon road bike for fast rides, but I would like 
> to mix in a bike with a different position to take stress off my neck. I 
> don't plan right now on doing any off-road riding or touring.
>
> I have tested ridden the Hunq, Cheviot, and Sam. They were all fun, but I 
> thought the Sam probably seemed the most appropriate. But I didn't get a 
> chance to ride a Soma SM. The Riv description is that is like a more well 
> rounded Rodeo, which seems to fit what I would use it for. I suppose a 
> Rodeo would as well but at more cost.
>
> Questions:
> 1) Does the Soma sound like the right choice for me?
> 2) Do they still sell this frame? If you google search it, the Riv page is 
> the first listed, but you can't find it on their frames page.
> 3) My PBH is 78 (just) and so I guess I am in the 51 cm range, however the 
> 51 cm Sam didn't leave much crotch room. Would a 47 cm work? Seems odd to 
> me that the size down from 51 is a big jump to 47.
>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Scott McLain]

I have landed in the same space as Will.  I am running a black tubus rear 
rack on my AHH.  My favorite front rack option is the nitto front rack. 
 There is not as much of a premium going to the nitto in the front and you 
can pick them up used on the RBW forum.  I like the small nitto rack 
coupled with the Sackville small Trunksack.  

The other consideration that is a little less rivy is the front 
randoneering bag set up that works best with a front rack.  I went back to 
the trunksack when I added up the cost of going with the front randoneering 
bag.

http://builtbyswift.com/shop/custom-ozette-randonneur-bag/


Scott


On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 6:46:12 AM UTC-6, Jon Craig wrote:
>
>
> 
>
> So, last Saturday I finally bought a Sam (55, blue, noodle)!  (BTW A1 
> Cyclery in Indianapolis rocks!)  (And truth be told, I'm now a 2-Sam 
> household as on Wednesday we went back and my wife got one too - 51, 
> orange, noodle. :D )
>
> Anyway - I had an old Trek rear rack so I black-nailpolished the Trek 
> logos and put it on - it fits great!   
>
> A front rack I do not have, and I'm wondering what ones fit well on Sam 
> without a lot of bodging.  NIttos, yeah, they're gorgeous, but they're also 
> bordering on blasphemously expensive so I'm looking for lower cost options.
>
> Since someone will demand it, I've attached a pic of my Sam sitting in my 
> office as I type this.
>

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[RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Scott McLain]

I just recently purchased an AHH (within the last year).  It is certainly a 
lively bike (compared to my Long Haul Trucker) and likes to move along.  I 
wanted to try it out as a go fast bike, but I have found that I love the 
general greatness of just riding it around.  I am 48 and get much more 
enjoyment now out of biking somewhere than biking to get miles or time in. 
 The AHH is perfect for going places.  It takes fenders and racks.  I have 
it set up with platforms so I can ride it in regular shoes.

If you are worried about weight and are still thinking of no fenders, no 
racks, clipped in, going fast, then go for the Rodeo.  If you want a really 
useful bike that still has zip, go for the AHH.

I was talking to a counterpart at work that I have ridden with for many 
years and he was explaining to me that he couldn't commute to work any 
longer because his route had some construction and his bike path had a 
gravel section.  He was also worried about carrying his laptop and getting 
wet.  I told him he needed a "useful" bike.  That is what the AHH rocks. 
 No better useful bike.

Scott

On Wednesday, May 25, 2016 at 8:38:33 PM UTC-6, Tim Butterfield wrote:
>
> I've been thinking of getting a Rivendell bicycle for a long time.  I 
> first joined this group to lurk back in 2010 and have been a member and 
> sometimes lurker since then.  But, I had not made the commitment and 
> purchased a Riv.  The closest I came was getting a Velo-Orange Rando.  That 
> was sort of rivish.  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/timbutterfield/sets/72157624827193423
>
> Being in the suburbs of Chicago near O'Hare airport limited my comfort 
> using it the way it should have been.  That bike was sold before I left 
> Chicago to live full-time in an RV.  Once we decided to settle in 
> Anacortes, WA (still in the RV), I purchased a Specialized AWOL Comp, 
> definitely not rivish.  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/timbutterfield/sets/72157644371355428
>
> It's a nice bike, but I now want something more rivish, this time, the 
> real thing.  I'm thinking of getting either the Roadeo or the A Homer 
> Hilsen.  I like the idea of the liveliness and sportiness of the Roadeo, 
> but like the bit of extra versatility of the AHH also.  With my weight at 
> 200+ (PBH 33" or 83.8cm, age 51), I'm leaning towards the AHH instead of 
> the Roadeo.  I can start more roadish with the AHH and, as I build my 
> abilities further, expand the bike to fit new and/or different tasks 
> without having to change frames.
>
> So, I'm fairly settled on getting my first Riv, one of the two mentioned. 
>  My pondering now is mostly on how to appoint it.  My Rando was more modern 
> with the 105 setup.  The AWOL was definitely modern with discs and SRAM 
> setup.  But, I'm not tied to that.  Though I haven't used it much, I like 
> the looks of a quill stem, drop bars, and downtube shifters.  It looks 
> clean and simple.  I'm just not sure what it's like to live with.  I expect 
> that, like many things, it is a matter of adapting to it.  But, using DT 
> shifters or bar ends does set a direction as neither would work with an 
> 11-speed I could have instead.  I'm trying to consider the pros and cons of 
> each.
>
> With my AWOL, I leave it locked to the cabana just outside my RV.  Some 
> RVs have sufficient inside storage for a bike.  Mine doesn't.
>
> My questions to the group are these:  As I am not yet doing longer 
> distances, are there still benefits to the more traditional setups?  If I 
> pick either one, what might I later miss the other may have provided?  Are 
> there likely to be any weather related or other wear issues leaving a Riv 
> locked to the RV park cabana like I do my AWOL?  I'm doubtful of that, but 
> don't want to mistreat it either.  Any thing else I should consider?
>
> Thanks for any advice you have.
>
> Tim
>

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[RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

[Scott McLain]

I really appreciate Grant sharing his thoughts on various subjects.

To me, suggesting that Riv should put disc brakes on a bike is very similar 
to asking them to add a suspension fork to a Hunq.

Riv bikes strike me as more of an atisan created bicycle that has been 
refined through many years of trial and error.  As opposed to design 
through computer aided engineering techniques.  I very seriously doubt that 
Grant has engaged an engineer to do a finite element analysis model for one 
of his bikes.

If you want a steel bike with disc brakes there are plenty of them 
available.  If you want a lugged steel frame with canti's and a quill stem, 
there are very few options.

It is not a question of one right answer, but more about do what you like. 
 I like canti's and side pull's.  

Two things I don't like about discs:  I end up hauling a lot of bikes 
around and frequently taking off front wheels.  I think it is much easier 
to take off a front wheel on a QR canti bike than a disc thru axle and I 
have to pry the pads apart if I bump the brake lever while the wheel is 
out.  And it is going to get harder to find nice wheels for rim brakes in 
the future because the rim manufacturers as discs become more prevalent.

Best,
Scott


On Friday, May 13, 2016 at 8:19:47 AM UTC-6, Will wrote:
>
> Might be nice to push back to GP and encourage more of these posts. 
>

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[RBW] Re: More, or less lights/reflectivity better?

[Scott McLain]

This is really entertaining!  I have a problem with people not getting my 
sarcasm also Clayton!

Back to the topic.  I just bought the Cygolite HotRod from Riv and that 
sucker is BRIGHT!
http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/lt00615rod.htm

I use it in combination with the small riv triangle when riding in traffic. 
 A bike touring friend of mine told me that he believed that when you go 
out of your way to be seen, that people jive you more space.

I liked Bill's comments on fixation.  I work with our DOT engineers from 
time to time and it is a very well documented thing that drivers run into 
blinking lights.  It is good to hear that it applies primarily to impaired 
drivers.  That is why you don't see blinking lights in construction zones 
on the barrels on the freeway anymore.  Remember the sawhorse looking 
things with the yellow blinking light?  They don't use them any more 
because they get ran over.

I am more concerned about people texting (eventhough it is illegal) than 
anything else.  So I am pro-blinky for sketchy traffic spots.

This would be a good topic for a google survey.

Scott





On Wednesday, May 4, 2016 at 11:21:52 AM UTC-6, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> I read a BQ article that discussed the uncertainty of using more or less 
> lighting and reflectivity while bike riding in order to be safer and more 
> easily seen on the road.
> At first thought, more would make sense being safer, but the article 
> talked about more, or the type of lighting/reflectivity contributing to 
> target fixation.
> Also mentioned "visual clutter", as well as daytime/nighttime playing a 
> role in what could be used for maximum visibility.
>
> Very interesting, but frustrating, as there is no exact evidence yet that 
> shows more or less or what type is better.
>

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