[RBW] Re: Adventures in (Re) building my Saluki
Or get them all at once: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B093SKS6XV/ref=sspa_dk_detail_2 Second bike tool I bought, after a good workstand. They have saved me enormous amounts of frustration. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/1fa0f069-c747-44ef-ba76-ea49dd698468n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: 54.5 Homer: 700c or 650b?
All that considered, I’d say get the taller bike. The folks at Riv do tend to put you on the tallest bike they think will clear your stand-over height. The tiny bit extra chainstay length and wheelbase will add to the “Riv ride” feel. And you won’t have so much seat post showing that you’ll think you've moved from a Salsa to a Brompton. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/3e81616f-bc5c-4085-b626-574921df5384n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: 54.5 Homer: 700c or 650b?
I would think it would be all about the tires. If you have more than one bike, what are the wheel sizes of the others? You might want to standardize so you can swap tires. Or if you have specific tires in mind, what size do they come in? While there are now a lot of options for 650b tires, there are still a lot more for 700c. If you shred a tire out on a tour, it might be easier to find a 700c to press on with. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/a8de4acc-048c-4d94-9869-064d5a6b077fn%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Soliciting opinions: help me pick the right Rivendell
Get a Sam with a 3x9 drive. Strong enough to do the riding you want, versatile enough for errands and light touring, and very comfortable. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/dbba8e72-7d3e-46af-9d0e-9275df5b51fen%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Strange Question - Asymmetric Pedals
In June 2022 we did a tour down the Canal du Midi in southern France. In June 2022 it was 105 degrees in the shade in southern France - fires breaking out everywhere - but we had already paid, so we went. Long story short, I got heatstroke and something called compartment syndrome, which resulted in an 18 day stay in a hospital in Carcassonne. What’s my point? I now pedal with the ball of my foot on the right side, and closer to the arch of my foot on the left. So, since I have 170mm pedal arms… my right foot is happy but my left foot wants something a little shorter; maybe 165 or 167.5. Has anybody else here felt the need, or maybe used, asymmetric pedals - shorter on one side than the other? Is there a problem inherent with this (other than hassle of buying a new crank arm)? Is there some kind of out-of-balance load that will crack my bottom bracket shell or some such? Before I go off and buy a shorter Suguino XD2 crank arm, I just wondered if there are others who have had/solved a similar problem. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/81ef5fb5-5101-4fe5-b544-539155200ffbn%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding
A Sam with 42mm tires at 55 psi. Pure bliss on pavement. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/bfd6f485-b8f5-4a73-bbc2-0f81fed12920n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Hub recommendations for Velocity Cliffhangers
I like the Deore LX trekking equipment. A rear hub would be FH-T670. Quiet and bulletproof. I’ve laced them to Velocity Atlas and Velocity Dyads. For a front hub, I tend to use Shimano 105s because they are reliable and reasonably cheap. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/dd36506c-e43a-4216-a203-b824fce637cfn%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] WTB 650B Dynamo Wheel & Question About Alex Rims
Do it yourself! Have your LBS order a matching dynamo and the required spokes (and the correct spoke wrench) and have at it with a little help from YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUqul03hbZ8 Then take it back to your LBS and have them tighten and true it for $20. It only takes an evening, and nothing beats rolling on a wheel or set of wheels that YOU laced. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/9df262f7-f4fd-4685-a86e-c4f064052717n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Crankset/BB question
Then, if you do need to replace the bottom bracket, you’ll need a tool like this to snug up the new one. https://www.amazon.com/Park-Tool-BBT-22-Shimano-Cartridge/dp/B001A0AIAG/?th=1=1 I took my Sam to the LBS to take the old one out. The guys in Taiwan (or at Rivendell) must have hydraulic hands when they install the bottom bracket. It was really in there. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/c2563f82-87dc-4376-a67f-82fe0561b2b6n%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Brake cables and housing
Every 5000 miles the cables on my Sam get cleaned and lubed with Phils Tenacious Oil. John Dewey - that is an outstanding photograph. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/5b549d65-9947-49ae-beb9-2c663d8865f2n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: External bottom brackets for dummies?
I wanted a “medium” touring bike, so I got an A Homer Hilsen frame. I was also impressed with how the 24mm, eternal bearing, Hollowtech II drive system felt. It was, to my feet, noticeably stiffer than the square taper BBs I had been using for years. So, loath to screw up a Rivendell frame, I bought an ’82 Team Fuji from Craigslist, and used the rebuild of that to determine how to pull a square taper BB and put on the Hollowtech BBR60. I also put on a few other goodies (Sora 3030 system,105 brakes, Velocity Road rear hub, re-laced the wheels) to learn how it all worked. I learned that those spacers we’ve been referring to are fragile and don’t want to be between two moving parts. Also that you put the drive side external cup on, then run the crank through, then screw on the non-drive side cup instead of trying to push the crank through a fully assembled BB (my LBS taught me that). Also that putting on the crank, then measuring the chainline, then pulling off the crank to change the drive side spacers was an iterative process. Then I built up the Homer with the MT800 BB and the Shimano FC-M590 triple crank. It only took one iteration of spacers to get the chainline. The MT800 worked perfectly on the 68mm BB shell. I also - wanting to see if this stuff was interchangeable - pulled it all off at one point and tried a Token TK878EX BB. The Token was cheaper then, and came in AHH Blue. It also worked perfectly. The Homer was not my longed-for perfect tourer, so I passed it on for a Soma Saga. But I kept the drive and BB. The Saga also has a 68mm BB shell and 135mm rear spacing. Only one iteration to get the spacers/chainline right, and they are a different config from the Homer, but it works great. Other lessons learned - the 24mm bottom bracket is more fragile than a sealed square-taper BB (also more fragile than the good old 1/4 inch ball bearings in an un-sealed square-taper setup). I ruined one 24mm BB before I asked my LBS and got a lesson in installation. I also got told that the 24mm BB has to be replaced more often just from use. I haven’t killed one yet, but if your crank starts making a hissing sound, check the BB first. Going back to Keith’s original post, a little asymmetry is the price paid for a correct chainline when your crank shaft is fixed length. Spacers and assembly iterations are the price paid for a 24mm BB that is supposed to fit both 73mm and 68mm shells - it must be built for the bigger size. Max, the MTN should work fine, for a few grams extra weight, and might last longer. And, finally, if you hit a snag ask your LBS. They've had to deal with this stuff for years. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/2dd0308e-278b-4cbf-bdc4-955ad2ca80e2n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: External bottom brackets for dummies?
I’m going to stick with the spacers going as shown in the exploded view - spacers going between the cup and the BB shell. You’re absolutely right on the prep work. Both bikes were chased, but the Soma was not faced… probably why it gets by with the spacer stack slightly smaller. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/b158f74d-abf1-473a-9159-4a2bea03ac3cn%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: External bottom brackets for dummies?
And of course, the system reversed my photos versus their names. 1 - Soma. 2 - Homer. 3 - EV. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/6b94224c-36d8-4a99-989c-f1195a36279en%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: If you plan to get a Roaduno..,
My dislike with a coaster brake is that the rear tire wears out a lot more quickly than I expected. You do have to disconnect the torque arm to remove the rear wheel, but that’s usually not a big deal. Just remember the correct screwdriver. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/7309748b-7732-4f10-b8cd-2ae5d37a4ac9n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: If you plan to get a Roaduno..,
Whups. My shopping bike is 130mm. Looks like I'll have to fix it rather than cannibalize it for a Roaduno. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/b2725939-7fcf-46aa-82e9-a9a03fff2310n%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Goals for 2024 (will they be S.M.A.R.T. ?)
At 74, I bike a mile farther than the same month last year. May in 2022 I did 200 miles, May in 2023 I did 201, May this year I’ll do 202, for example. Since the goal depends on the weather, it works out to about 1350 a year. This keeps me (slowly) improving without killing myself. I mean, bicycling is supposed to be fun, right? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/7c581305-20b2-43e5-8631-d6d876e3a189n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Will Cliffhangers leave me hanging?
I’m with the others regarding the Marathons. I’ve had trouble putting them on Atlas and Dyads, too. I carry a couple of the plastic tire “irons”, but only when I have Marathons on. To me, they also feel like I’m riding through mud. But I wouldn’t have anything else for a tour. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/c51a5d2c-13dd-4d07-8947-652c74d2d754n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: New Bike Day—Retirement Bike
Excellent, excellent choice. When I retired I also bought a Rivendell. I’ve never regretted it. Neither will you. Love the mud flaps! Great choice! Enjoy! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/55e0b0dc-d990-4bc5-a465-0cbbfa5bb0fdn%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Coaster Brakes for a Beachy Clem Build
Interesting discussion. When we lived in Germany (2002-2003) I picked up a “Top City” “Sundance” bicycle for my wife to ride while shopping. It has a 7-speed internally-geared rear hub with a rear coaster brake, a front V-brake, and a 7-speed grip shift. The rear hub is 135mm wide. I thought this was some sort of strange beast - it has a flexing frame with shock and spring like what I believe the “soft tail” mountain bikes feature, but it is most definitely a shopping bike. Racks, lights, basket on the front. Maybe you can find a “replacement” rear hub, if this is what you’re looking for and we can identify the bicycle a little better. We still have it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/60ecee5a-8d62-480e-ba6a-b763aae91325n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Compliments
So one thing I’ve noticed - I mean REALLY noticed - about our Rivendell bikes is that they get compliments. I ride the Silver Comet near Atlanta. https://groups.google.com/g/bicycletouring/c/cFpcvUWqzkA For 15 years I rode a Diamondback Approach, a decent hybrid bike (as they called those back in the ’90s). I never heard a word from fellow riders. Then in 2015 I got a Sam Hillborne. Bog standard, as the Brits say - Sage Blue, cork grips. I added some fenders and started seriously hitting the trail for exercise. Suddenly folks are pulling up next to me (or going past), and saying “Nice bike!” Now I’m 74 and banging along at about 11 mph, so it’s not tough to pull up next to me. But this happens 2 - 3 times a year. It surprises me. A couple of nice ladies went on about the friction shifters and “a hard leather seat. He’s hard core!”, before riding off on their carbon Cannondales. A nice gentleman commented at length on the cork grips. Maybe he was a fly fisherman? It happened again yesterday when I stopped for water. Two guys also stopped and were very complimentary about the Sam. One asked to ride it (sure!) and came back grinning (“If I didn’t already have too many bikes…”) It surprised my wife, too. I built her up a Platypus last winter, and on her second ride she got a “Nice bike!” from someone. She came home with smiles. Does this happen to you when you ride your Rivendell? Tell us about the compliments you get. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/2c98a2c9-5c65-4535-80ad-cd5cf960ee59n%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Favorite Floor Pump Head?
Patrick The ‘Hiro’ chuck I have is a steel Presta chuck that screws onto a Schrader-thread pump head. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00QMRQGEO/ Your Tanaka chuck looks like the same thing but looks like it can be installed directly into a pump hose using a clamp? I got tired of screwing a Presta adapter on every time I wanted to fill a bicycle tire, so I got a small electric pump and installed this once. In the rare case I want to pump up a Schrader, I can unscrew it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/e2e13bd4-3f83-4d7b-9b95-16024c0a149fn%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Favorite Floor Pump Head?
Second recommendation for the Silca 'Hiro' chuck. Going strong after 8 years. $30 at Amazon. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/5649a19c-29b7-4304-abc9-3c647477c222n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: A. Homer Hilsen fender clearance
My 2019 Homer fit Velo Orange Zeppelin 52 fenders no problem. It had 559 brakes as well, but it was a 650b tire size. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/b7a03c8c-af93-421d-9cf5-ab78afe153ecn%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: Differences between Sam Hillborne and A Homer Hilsen
Re-reading this a year or more later - I'm still looking for someone to post who rode both a Homer and a Sam extensively, and kept the Homer. Anyone? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/d9021e13-3c2f-4d14-a370-65b42e740b1cn%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: WTB/ISO New or Used Shimano Deore XT rear derailleur
Why not both? You can still get a Shimano M591 new, though it is an older design, that works well with a 34-tooth cassette. This is a solid, reliable design that Rivendell used to ship on their builds. It is Deore, but not XT. A Deore XT equivalent like the M772 (also older design) is rated for 43 teeth on the cassette, but I found mine a little more fiddly to set up than the M591. Those are both 9-speed. You can still get them both new. I’d say go the route of a new derailleur of an older (proven) design. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/17de399c-1aee-44d4-b850-c3f3586fe3aan%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Recommendations on a budget 700c wheelset?
Ack. "Buy it". -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/3459e6ee-de71-4b9a-bb36-cdb1f3d99ce4n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Recommendations on a budget 700c wheelset?
Do they have to be new? Find a good used late-90s hybrid at your LBS or on Craigslist. You can probably find one for less than $200. But it. Take the wheels. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/d63a9e7c-89c5-4e92-9863-7ec1c0466551n%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: "A Steamy Lug Affair" by Grant Petersen
I keep thinking it might be easier now (2023) to do a lugged frame than it was 10 years ago because… You can design the frame with a CAD program, design the lugs with the same program, and print the lugs using a 3-D printer. If you don’t print the steel lugs themselves, you can use the 3-D printer to print a wax lug, which you can then cast in steel. Suddenly, everything fits. The lug fits the geometry of the tubing. If you make a bigger or smaller frame, it won’t be “we only have lugs for a 55Cm, but this is a 60Cm”, because the printer can just print the correct lug. Having spent 45 years working in aviation, I know that the skills required to weld/braze thin walled steel tubing are every bit as demanding as brazing on a lug. And the CAD tools today are outstanding. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/97e24296-92ba-4225-9f40-62117402b451n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Headset adjustment
I was going to suggest checking for a loose headset, but It is obviously the stem, and Garth is right on. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/06371dd0-454a-438f-8695-ff6d1812d6f8n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Routine maintenance / habits / survey
I live near Atlanta and ride my 2014 Sam year round on city streets and rails-to-trails. I'm not a "power rider", just a continuous one. I'm 74 and bang along at about 12 mph, doing about 1500 miles a year. I was shocked when I actually wore out a chain. It’s garaged, so I wash it with Zaino’s a couple of times a year or when it gets filthy from riding after a storm. But I tinker constantly because, hey, it’s a hobby. RocRide Epix, Phil Tenacious Oil, and Parks grease are my friends - if it looks like it needs lube, it gets lubed. If I want to try a different cassette, set of bars, rack, bag, or rearview mirror, I just do it. In the winter I do a yearly "annual", tightening check on bolts, etc. in case my pre-ride checks missed something. I rotate the tires - the rear really does wear out faster than the front - and check for tire problems. At that time I also give it a thorough wash and a quick polish with show car polish, and Proofide the old Brooks. I have all the Zaino polish/wash stuff because I used to own a Lotus 7. I tear it down completely to a bare frame, fork and headset when it gets close to 5000 miles since the last teardown. Grease every bolt, take apart and lube everything else. So far, the Sam has had three teardowns and I have seen zero issues. Having worked all my life with airplanes, I know that if you do a scheduled maintenance, like annually, and a major maintenance based on use, like miles or hours, mechanical things tend to last forever. I only let a shop work on it if there is a tool I lack and it is cheaper than buying the tool. If it ever needs anti-rust, they can do that, too. But like a lot of folks I have more than one bike. So there is always something that may need doing. I also bought a bunch of Sigma bike computers when I started this hobby to keep track of mileage, etc. Sigma has a pretty good computer app, and I download the data after every ride, so tracking is easy. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/ad08ce26-bf10-4c02-9f92-e3073d8c7520n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: WTB: unpunched/grooved cork grips
PM Sent aeroperf -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/1b204817-0edc-4bf5-9b99-350f8b7363dan%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: spacing between chainrings
Typical spacing between chainrings is 5mm. However, it is all about the chainline. https://www.sheldonbrown.com/chainline.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/7fa32942-ed4a-415c-8e72-d7cf8a1ccfd3n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Last ride of 2022
Thursday it had finally warmed up enough here in Atlanta that I went for a pleasure ride (about 13 miles) on the Silver Comet Trail. Besides the “Boy, am I out of shape” feeling, a 6-point buck jumped up next to me and start leaping along about 30 feet to my right. We see a number of deer on the Comet, but usually from a distance and crossing the trail, not running parallel and close. I remember thinking “I sure hope he doesn’t decide to join me - I would not survive” before he cut off and headed away from the trail. It was an excellent way to close out the year, even if it did get my heart rate going a little faster than usual. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/11865841-ec8e-4f12-b6f9-304344929d97n%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: How are you building up your Platypus?
I’d probably better get my two cents in. I’m working off a pile of parts that I’ve collected over the years. That’s not necessarily the best way to approach a new build, but it will get something on the road. And everybody has a pile of parts…somewhere… I took the frame down to the LBS for the prep I couldn’t do myself. They installed the stock headset, chased the bottom bracket shell, and aligned the rear derailleur hanger. One thing that might help others is their comment that the bottom bracket shell wasn’t threaded far enough in (for a UN300x107), and so they had to run their thread taps in a little farther. The wheels - I went with 650b (our Platy is a 50cm) Velocity Dyad 36s Rear hub is a Deore LX FH-T660, front is a SON28 generator hub For tires we’re using Schwalbe G-One Allrounds The drive is a Deore XT FD-M781 front and Deore XT RD-m772 SGS for the rear A Suguino XD2 46/36/26 crankset and Haimim “oil sheen” pedals complete the set Brakes are Tektro 837 AL Silver, and the levers are Tektro RS360A The cockpit is proving to be a slight problem. We’re going with Albatross bars and Dura-Ace bar ends, but… To get a good fit I’m going to assemble the whole set up with a Nitto NTC110 DX stem. The 11cm reach is probably going to be a bit long, and I expect to have to get something shorter, but until I do we can’t put on cork grips. So I’m using a handlebar tape wrap until she finds her reach. Currently it is built up just enough to be rideable, while she finds a saddle that she REALLY likes (one of the big complaints of her old bike). And there’s still a lot I need to do - light, basket, fenders - so no pictures yet. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/e2c3cecd-8f4e-4a8c-8101-50d2395d61e9n%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] ISO: Missing Link wheel building book
Also this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUqul03hbZ8 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/fd70d953-cd4b-4e5f-9518-a530d355b736n%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Who is getting a Platypus?
OK, I’ll start a new thread. Alan - great photos. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/c9f16909-4df2-4a3c-8512-487ed83e3fd5n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] How are you building up your Platypus?
For those of us who have ordered a Platypus, and got a “raw” frame in a box, I’m interested in how people are building them up. I’m also interested in how previous Platy people from the last batch (raw plus Riv builds) have built up theirs. I’m coming at this from: This build is for my wife, so it has to be absolutely functional but also “attractive” in the Riv way. I’ve built up a Sam and a Homer, and enjoyed both builds, but the Platy is slightly different. I also am doing the build along with someone who owns a bike store, and also just got his Platy frame, so maybe I can pass along another (LBS) point of view as we go. I’ve seen some Platypus builds in the posts, Including “Peppermint Platy’s” build (I bow to Leah for being a class Platypus act). Everybody does something a little different. That’s the joy of this. For example, my wife wants a headlight/taillight and a wicker front basket. No decision on fenders. What works? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/1fd73ac7-738f-434b-9210-e3bcd90a1140n%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Who is getting a Platypus?
Thanks, Scott. That helps a lot. I’m going for Tektro linear pull V-brakes, but no decision on levers yet. I like the adjustable pull on those levers, though. I hadn’t run into that before. I’m not trying to hijack this thread, but “Who is getting a Platypus”? implies “and how are you going to build it up?” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/4c8dc781-4d97-4dce-bcb2-75a99bf1951an%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Who is getting a Platypus?
Thanks, shoji. My mind is still stuck in the side pull era of early Sams and Homers, so I need to get educated, and that helps. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/50c6e48e-848c-4963-a84d-f03fec51d879n%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Who is getting a Platypus?
My wife’s Platypus frame arrived this morning. Woo hoo! It was packed in fitted cardboard, with paper stock protecting the finish, and arrived in perfect “not prepped” condition. Kudos! Headset and seatpost were included in a box (with a Riv bandana!). I have not a clue about proper brakes or brake levers. Something silver, for Albatross bars. Any suggestions? She wants a front basket, and I have not a clue what would be appropriate (I ride a Sam with a rear rack). And what front light works best, with said basket? TL;DR I had already collected the bars, Nitto NTC110DX stem, DeoreXT FD-781 front derailleur, DeoreXT RD-M772 rear derailleur, Sugino XD2 triple front drive, and bar end shifters. I’m in the process of building up Velocity Dyad wheels with a SON front generator hub and a DeoreLX rear hub. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/651e738c-0ecc-4f99-9ec2-af32464f83d9n%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: Kickstand plates, what's up with that?
It is certainly not just Riv bikes. My second bike is a Soma Saga Disc, which has the same geometry as my Sam but with a slightly lower top tube. They even warn about the problem (first and last paragraphs): https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/saga-disc-frame-set-2 I use Kai's solution on the Sam. No hint of a problem yet. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/23cf8fc4-e678-4e0f-82ff-d281fd2b6a1fn%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum
No spare bike in a box for me. My second bike is fully built up so that if my Sam does come up lame or missing, I have something else immediately. If I don’t get the Sam back, I can say “I once had a Rivendell, and it was a marvelous ride”. I have an ’82 Team Fuji road bike that I got in ’86 and rode for many years. I adjusted the bike to fit me, and the bike adjusted me to fit it. It was a marvelous ride. But eventually it became uncomfortable, especially after I got a couple of pins put in my back. If I had a spare ’82 Team Fuji in a box, it still wouldn’t ride as well as the original did 40 years ago (or my Sam does today), because I’ve changed. Likewise, my wife has ridden a KTM heavy touring bike for twenty years. Now that we’re getting older, it doesn’t fit as well as it used to, and hence she wants a Platypus. Another KTM frame in a box wouldn’t fix the uncomfortablilty [ok, that’s not a word but you get the gist]. Will she enjoy riding the Platypus, or think “I once had an aluminum KTM with full shocks, and it was a marvelous ride.”? So, lots of things to consider. Pam Murray might want to try a custom after wearing her Betty to powder. Or maybe (Heresy!) a different brand. Beware the “Cult of Riv”. And record the geometry, not only from Riv’s site, but from places like BikeInsights which can give you stack and reach and trail. Use that to get a spare now if you can have more than one bike. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/4cc2bf15-b8f7-4d25-b6f7-568f09694ed8n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum
I had this discussion with my wife today, because she is about to join the Riv Sisters with a Platypus. I ordered her frame yesterday. The discussion turned to lights. Add a front hub generator and a light, and now you’re talking over $4000 for the bike she wants. $1750 for a frame, $400 for a set of wheels, $225 for the generator hub, add fenders, etc., and pretty soon you’re talking real money. Then the discussion turned to “precious”. Is she going to ride it to downtown Atlanta and lock it to a lamp pole? With my Sam, the question also arose. Every 5 years I strip it to the bare frame and reassemble after cleaning and lubing everything. So it looks like new and I have a bit of trepidation taking it to town and locking it to a bike rack. But I still do it, Brooks B17 and all. We each have decent, comfortable $800 bikes in addition to our Rivs. Which do we ride? How many locks do we take today? It wouldn’t be so bad if you could get a replacement Riv. But the shipments come in every other year (if that often). So if yours is stolen and you want another…what, 55 Sam? Wait two years and hope for a good lottery number? Will it ride the same or have the chainstays grown again? Does my size now come with 650b wheels when everything else I have is 700c? I ride the Sam almost every day because I live on a bike trail. It never leaves my sight on those rides. But when the discussion is “Let’s go shopping for groceries at Publix, lock the bike, spend a half hour shopping, and then come out and see if it’s still there”…well… I’m not worried about beausage. I’m worried about finding it gone. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/56bdbbe6-dcec-4eb6-8889-4f66e0373391n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Homers and road touring
I would say loaded touring IS pushing the envelope for a Homer. Better would be a Sam, best would probably be an Atlantis or Appaloosa. I bought a Homer for not-so-loaded touring, and found it was not the bike for the job for me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/a8fd4c98-9a57-4788-9409-82a624c3b0d1n%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: Your cyclist vs. motorist war/horror stories
My bike trail was closed for two weeks in April, 2020, so I rode 2 miles on the 45mph road to get to the next county where it was still open. I stayed well to the right of the shoulder white line, but one day a passing driver came close enough to clip my rear-view mirror. Handlebars went hard right, and I went over them - fortunately landing on a grassy berm. I was uninjured (ok, one small new scar), and my Sam was fine, but the driver didn’t stop or even, as far as I could tell, look in his rear view mirror. But by the amount of red paint embedded in my mirror mount, he’s probably still wondering who “keyed” his car. The point - in addition to looking out for drivers who don’t think bicyclists should be sharing the road, you also have to look out for the oblivious drivers who don’t seem to be able to keep it between the lines. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/5135eec4-4cad-4f90-b1da-8646a7cee4fen%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] YOUR BACK SHRINKING
Ouch. Difference in reach - 25mm, not cm. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/14853235-c5d7-4b71-8393-52904af06d3an%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Doldrums
When I get a case of cycling burnout, I tend to find and read a book about touring. “Signs of Life” by Stephen Fabes is a decent one, if you’re looking for a recommendation. Pretty soon I’m itching to ride a tour again. Or I check the internet for a new bicycle wrenching “skill” that I could learn. I have 3 bicycles, but there’s always something that needs doing. My touring bike is a 9x3 speed. What would it take to make it a 10x3 speed? The front wheel on my road bike needs new spokes. How does one size the spokes and lace a “cross 3”? OK, go do that. Before too much time goes by, I’m ready to ride a measured course to see how 10x3 differs from 9x3, or whether the spokes are all properly seated. And, of course, there’s nothing wrong with occasionally thinking “Low wind, good temperature? Think I’ll go fly an RC airplane”. Heresy, I know, but alternative hobbies are OK. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/d8ccc2a5-200b-4ebf-ade1-ba0306ef1c1bn%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: WTB: Sycip "singles bar"
I ride a modified Soma Osprey bar for light touring. Some rise, just the right wrist position for me. Modified by taking a centimeter off each end - the original is pretty wide. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/e5d93066-b981-469d-a0a1-9a6eebb9dfabn%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)
I’ve run Continental Speed Ride tires for 5 years. I haven’t had a flat with them, though that's probably just luck. They only come in one size - 622 x 42. I run them on my Sam at 55 psi. They cost about $25. The last set went over 5000 miles. I tried the Schwalbe Marathon 622x37 at 65 psi for a year. It was like riding through mud - they weigh a lot more than the Speed Rides, but if I were doing touring, they would be my choice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/b1734a0d-2d64-4871-965b-4f790246508dn%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: Piriformis - Help!
As one also with stenosis (and L2 - L4 fused), I found that bending over just a little bit was better than upright walking. So…biking! But I tried 6 saddles on my Sam, and all of them hurt various places on my butt after a while. Finally I got a Brooks B-17 carved. After break-in and rolling down the edges of the carving with a light rasp, this saddle has been phenomenally comfortable. On the other hand, I tried all 7 saddles on my road bike, and the Selle Anatomica Titanico X came out the clear winner, beating the Brooks by miles for long-term comfort. Of course, that had to do with rider position. What it taught me was that there ARE differences in seats, and you have to try a few to find out what is best for you on a specific bike. If the B-17 isn’t cutting it on that bike, I’d recommend trying the B-67. It is wider, at least. Another recommendation: My LBS has a box full of saddles, and is willing to loan them out. Want to try a Serfas RX-921V? Here, give it back in a week. So get friendly with your LBS. One thing that I could wish for… There are mechanical “bikes” out there, being used for fitting, that change the seat height, seat setback from BB, handlebar height and “set fwd” from BB, etc. Probably 8 different lengths/sizes can be dialed in, including the pedal arm length. As far as I know, they are scarce and therefore being used currently for the Pros, to size their bikes. I would pay someone $100/hour (the cost of only one good saddle) to set one of these up as my current bike and let me try various saddles in various positions. It took 4 years of riding to find the right saddle for me for the Sam. Maybe I could have done it in a couple of hours with one of these devices. Perhaps your sports doc will write you a prescription to cut your costs to find/try one of these mechanical fitting machines. Take a big bag of saddles to try. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/e0efecdf-0194-41d8-ae3a-9cb1aa4ff0e4n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Trouble posting help requested
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[RBW] Re: Loaded touring weight distribution
I ride a Soma Saga for heavy touring and a Rivendell Sam Hillborne for light touring. During 2020 I did the kitty litter check - made up 5-pound bags of kitty litter to try riding with different weight distributions. My Sam was very comfortable 10 pounds forward and 20 pounds aft. More than that forward would make it feel a little squirrelly. I could heap 30 pounds on the back and it was uncomfortable, though not squirrelly. This Sam is the 465 mm chainstay version. The Soma Saga, like the LHT, it was designed straight up for heavier loads and actually feels more stable with a front load. It easily took 20 pounds forward and still felt good. The Atlantis is supposedly a better bike loaded than the Sam, but I have no advice as to how much. I’m betting that, like the Sam, it would not feel as good loaded forward as the LHT. So my advice is to find a friend with cats, get their preferred litter and some bags, and see what works for the Atlantis. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/a91d74fa-0966-4f48-bcb4-cc5874ee63cbn%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Adding photos to Post
A couple of things to check that I have run into— There are three dots at the bottom of both your second post and Garth’s post in this thread. When you click on that, it expands and shows the post that you are “replying” to, even if you clicked “Reply all”. All that is also included in your post. So maybe you are “replying” to a post that is replying to a post…that each already have photos attached…and so, your message is too long even if it is only a couple of words. All that other stuff goes along, and gets credited to your post. Easiest way out of that is to put a couple of words or a sentence in your post window, and check for the three dots in your post window, and click them to expand, and then delete everything below your couple of words. That should give you a clean post to work with. Another thing I’ve found is that you can attach photos with the paperclip, and that seems to sometimes work better for me on larger photos than the in-line insertions. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/4a4bae2d-5e61-4076-8f44-4da65eb91816n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Production year of my Sam Hillborne?
Yes, that should be the production year. My Sam Hillborne tag says “Serial M14052003 date 4/8/15”. The frame was produced in 2014, and I purchased it in April 2015. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/19af605e-78e5-46b4-b39d-72897530f624n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Riv asks: One bike forever, which one?
As Bill and George said. My forever bike is a steel, double diamond frame with upright (non-drop) bars. Since 1985 all my bikes have been of that design. Specifically right now that need is filled by a 2014 Sam, but there have been others before, and may be others after. When I can’t balance on two wheels any more, and if I still can ride, I’ll go to a recumbent trike. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/63cac827-33c2-490b-87a8-1a87ba02d653n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Dealing with wind
As an aerodynamics/performance engineer who used to live in Wichita, KS (20 mph is a gentle breeze)—with that setup I would: Make sure that I had a saddle that would allow me to bend over - some saddles *force* you to ride bolt upright. Bend over when I could, sticking my elbows out. Lowering the bars just a little helps with this. Wear a tight, finely woven top. Nylon, not flannel. Likewise wear Lycra. Less drag than cargo pants. Wear a helmet. They actually do reduce drag over hats or just hair. If you’re bald, skip this. And if all else fails, shave your legs. Just kidding; the gain isn’t worth it. I try to ride out into the wind when I’m fresher, ride home with the wind. But, truthfully, the drag will always be there. It’s a Vee-squared function. The stuff above will help, but slowing down is just about the only thing that significantly reduces it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/9e792cfd-ecbc-446a-ada7-b87d5d625827n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: How do you track mileage?
I use a Sigma BC 12.12 Bike Computer, wired, and read it into a spreadsheet with the Sigma DataCenter program. I bought a bunch of them years ago and calibrate them for each bike on the trail I ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/5078034c-6425-4502-ba1e-20fc794bd9c1n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Cool Tools for Home Wrenchers
Um, machine screws tend to be fastened with a screwdriver, while bolts tend to have a nut and be fastened with a wrench. This leaves open what to call a fastener that uses an allen wrench - most common is capscrew, but bolt is also used. Real quick JIS explanation from a motorcycle guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpqUhIZ-EJo The VESSEL JIS +2 screwdriver is $10 from Amazon. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000TG8OTY/ When I discovered JIS and bought a JIS +2 screwdriver, adjusting derailleurs and B-screws became a WHOLE lot easier. And, yes, there’s a dot on their heads - you just have to look close for it. aero (mechanical engineer) perf -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/3a3c5acf-79d4-429c-a05a-acaaa16a6ffdn%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Buzzy hubs, hipster or window rattling?
Came here looking for the: “Unclip the playing cards from your chainstays” comment. [badda bum!] OK, I’m old. But I can’t be the only one who did this as a kid... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/199425e4-3f33-4e87-94ce-65d94645ceaen%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: Heterodoxy — reconciling RBW with the mainstream
Rivendell bikes are boutique bikes, like Prada sells boutique purses. You’re paying a premium for the name. You’re also getting lugs, and a comfortable ride. My forever bike is my 2015 55 Sam. I’ve had people call it a “Classic”. It’s not. It’s new. I’ve had people call it “Retro”. It’s not. It’s not “going back to” anything. It’s a design that hasn’t changed since the ’90s or before. 1” threaded headset, square taper bottom bracket, rim brakes, no suspension. That doesn’t make it bad. The Rivendell ride, which is justly famous, is due to Grant’s design of the steel frame. He does what he does, and we love the bikes because of it. But everything is a compromise, and in return, if you buy into the Riv philosophy, you give up state-of-the-art. Rivs *are* fringe bikes. The mainstream has moved on in so many ways. “Normal cycling is the mainstream”, so count the Rivendells you see on a daily basis, compared to Trek or Giant or Specialized or Cannonade or… Dang few. “Normal cycling” is TIG welded and running Hollowtech II drive trains with disc brakes. For touring I use a Soma Saga Disc. Still steel, but with disc brakes for those long downhills with 40 pounds of gear. I love my Sam, with the lugs and the ride. But it is a boutique bike. A very comfortable, very pretty boutique bike. It’s not supposed to be mainstream. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/e0373695-051f-495f-b793-b526ad896c70n%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Cold Weather Riding Gear
Don’t forget the “Sheldon Brown” solution to a cold head during winter riding - tape over the vents in your helmet with packaging tape. Cheap, but effective. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/7bd20cee-49ed-46a7-977e-993080cc90aen%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: #PlatyPosing: Post your pics here! (Riv Mixtes welcome, too.)
To be fair to Joe - which I am also always willing to do - he did say no one should remove the accessories. Someone in another thread posted a 29.x pound Platy, but stated that they had gone for a light weight build. So I was trying to encourage posts with all the goodies for a typical weight. Apologies to Joe for misrepresenting him. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/812d4b01-db46-4b59-b0d6-7020ae3f9c8fn%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: #PlatyPosing: Post your pics here! (Riv Mixtes welcome, too.)
Not that shocking. Those sound like reasonable numbers for reasonably equipped bikes. We’ve been conditioned by the racing crowd to think that lighter weight is somehow “good”, and we should pay gobs of $$$ for it. What really counts is whether you enjoy the ride. Thanks for the data points! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/63019ce8-433d-4c82-8bfa-404168d69f50n%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: #PlatyPosing: Post your pics here! (Riv Mixtes welcome, too.)
Thanks, Kate! Nice set-up. Don’t listen to Joe - it’s not a contest. It gives my wife more ammunition, though. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/d376b823-fc6c-4c58-88b3-77e7239ca83en%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: #PlatyPosing: Post your pics here! (Riv Mixtes welcome, too.)
Yup. Pretty please with sugar on top will you weigh that bike? Better yet, both bikes. Peppermint Platy, and Stealth Platy. Thanks in advance. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/fd0313a2-ad26-4d29-b681-3a0b1aa9909en%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: #PlatyPosing: Post your pics here! (Riv Mixtes welcome, too.)
"…they’re not *that* heavy." How heavy are they? Will somebody (or everybody) who owns a Platypus *please* take it to your LBS, get it weighed, and post the number? My wife, who rides a 35 pound aluminum KTM Sorrento touring bike and wants a Platypus, would really like to know. What does a typical Riv build with a couple of racks weigh? I know I sound like a broken record, but so far we only have data from someone who deliberately tried to build a light weight Platy. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/a4bc6aa2-e99f-447f-b5b1-5ae655e4560bn%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: continuing to ride desire
Then I’ll suggest the Silver Comet/Chief Ladiga trail out of Atlanta, if you want a paved trail. https://groups.google.com/g/bicycletouring/c/cFpcvUWqzkA Typically high 40’s, low 50’s for temperatures, though it is getting below freezing at night right now. The last significant snow I remember was 2017. On the plus side, Atlanta is easy to get to. On the minus side, the trail is only 96 miles long. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/393b6535-419e-47b4-b174-e839cb5c4476n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Bar end vs Downtube
Downtube shifters have the advantage of simplicity and a shorter cable run. However, they are most useful for road bikes with very aggressive riding position - where the seat is a good bit higher than the bars, and you can just move your hand to the downtube without bending farther. Bar ends are a plus for more upright riding positions. Look at it this way. If you have to bend further to shift downtubes, whether riding drop or straight bars, then you really should be using bar ends. Nothing says “missed shift” like having to change your riding position or (horrors) actually look for a shifter in the middle of a shift. And… I live on a “relatively flat” bicycle trail, yet find myself shifting all the time. With my road bike, not very aggressive position, downtube shifters, it is a pain to take one hand off the bars, bend over, and reach for the shifter. That’s even if I’m riding the drops. With my Sam and bar ends I just slide my hand back and use the heel of my palm, or little finger, to shift without losing my grip or bending over. On my Homer, I used thumb shifters. For me, not as comfortable as bar ends, but at least I didn't have to take my hand off the bars or my eyes off where I was going. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/5a574036-42bf-49fe-9658-e2297a71b5bfn%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Why did you buy your first Riv?
I’m enjoying these responses immensely, mostly because I knew nothing about Riv or Grant until after I rode my friend’s Sam in 2010. So I was initially surprised by the number of folks here who have come up from Bridgestone through Grant to Rivendell. I shouldn’t have been surprised. My LBS owner has his RB-1 hanging on the wall in his showroom. There’s a wonderful coffee table book called “Japanese Steel” by William Bevington and Scott Ryder that explains the Japanese response to the 70’s bicycle boom, which includes Bridgestone, and anything that includes Bridgestone mentions Grant Petersen. If you are into “bicycle porn” and want to see where Bridgestone before Riv fits in, I recommend it. The illustrations are awesome. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/a9b74766-3a3c-4d20-8a91-66a0719bf4can%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Why did you buy your first Riv?
I see Laura B’s thread about Susie vs. Platy, and Iconley’s timeline with 15 Riv bikes, and so I thought I’d ask: What made you buy your first Rivendell bicycle? Not “What do you like about Rivendell bicycles”, or “Why did you buy a second one?”, but why did you buy your first? In my case I wanted steel, because I liked the feel over aluminum (carbon was just starting). I wanted lugged steel, because I think I think a lugged steel bike is awesomely pretty. I got to ride a friend’s Sam Hillborne in 2010, and it fit like a glove, and I remembered that. So when I retired in 2014, I bought a Sam. Now I could go on about how I love my Sam, but that’s not the point of this. It’s to find out why you bought your first. Did you Google “Rivendell” one day and stumble into the bicycle shop instead of the Tolkien book? Did you want a bicycle that was at home on dirt roads, where the 24mm tires of a good used 80’s road bike just couldn’t cut it? Do you think Grant Petersen is a bicycle god, and you’d buy anything that he designs, once you could afford it? Are you into the “waxed canvas and square taper” kind of mindset? Did you get a Riv because it was a boutique bike, or in spite of that? Difficulty- no pictures, unless it is of a Riv in a tree with “A guy told me I could have this for free, if I climbed up and got it”. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/802ef6aa-e20e-4fe9-ac16-ad963db2182cn%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Susie v. Clem Help Me Off The Fence
Hetchins52- No, the Sam weighed about 3/4 pounds more than the Homer, comparably equipped: 30.5 vs 29 lb 14 oz (29.875). This is the problem with weighing - the Homer was 650B but had heavier tires, etc., etc. It just comes down to weighing what you actually ride, and then basing off of that. If we could get people to weigh the bare frames before they build it up, we could get a “more rigorous” comparison. The engineer in me rejoices. But we really don’t ride bare frames, and folks add various things to the build, and it really doesn’t matter - Riv folks are not put off by a pound or two either way, and there are NO bragging rights here for a “lighter” build, or we’d all be retrofitting with $3000 Ultegra groupsets. The item of interest is the comparison between one “ridden” bike and another. As Leah says,”…said she examined the Susie and it was SO heavy”. How heavy? I recently put a Brooks B17 saddle on my Sam. The bike felt a lot heavier. Why? The Brooks has a metal edge in the back. I lift the bike by the handlebars and rear of the saddle, and now it cuts into my fingers… The subject keeps coming up, though, over and over. That’s why I recommend having the LBS weigh your bike to find out what you actually ride. THIS is what you have to lift onto a rack on the back of the car, or haul up the stairs to a second-story apartment. This is what you want to know, to answer the question at the top of the thread. And the LBS will probably weigh it for free. Patrick— Great idea for first approximation. My scale is only good to the nearest 1/2 pound, though. Since I tour with 35 pounds of crap on board, I try to get a little better resolution (also since I ship the bike to where I plan to start a tour). Iconley— That’s why I use Conti SpeedRide tires. About a pound apiece, and 6000 miles without a flat. That could change tomorrow. And there is coral in Florida… I’m jesting about the conspiracy, but even Riv says “only a few pounds heavier than carbon” without ever giving a frame weight or a comparison. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/3472ff8e-10ee-4045-a9ff-108dfd06c030n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Susie v. Clem Help Me Off The Fence
While we’re going "arg!"... A number of threads have asked, and one of the questions could be answered just by hanging a bike on the scale at your LBS. I was hoping Leah would weigh Peppermint Platy before and after her build, but I guess that’s OBE. How about somebody go weigh their Clem, and somebody go weigh their Gus/Susie, and somebody go weigh their Platypus - and report back? Whether bike weight actually makes a difference or not, there seems to be a conspiracy about not reporting Rivendell bike weights. We’ve had people talk about getting them up a flight of stairs, or hanging them on a rack, but nobody actually puts out a number. I’ll start. Here’s mine: 2015 Sam, size 55, as supplied by Rivendell: Bar end shifters, Suguino XD2 triple crank, FD-3030 front, Atlas 700c wheels, Conti SpeedRide tubed tires, Shimano RD-M591 rear, Shimano R550 levers, Tektro R-559 brakes, cork grips. Add a Serfas RX-921V saddle, Blackspire pedals, Zefal fenders, and a bell. 29 pounds, 3 oz Add a Blackburn EX-1 rack and BCC 12.12 computer and my typical riding weight comes in a just a smidge under 30.5 pounds. A Homer, size 51, set up exactly the same way except Deore FC-M590 crank and FD-M610 derailleur came in at 29 pounds 14 oz. Smaller bike, thinner tubing, lighter crank. It’s not a Susie or a Clem or a Platy, but it is a data point. Next time at your LBS, take one minute and have them weigh your bike. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/8ae67e12-97b1-466c-88f7-6702ea2fdc55n%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: 26.8mm seat post diameter??
This thread made me get out the digital calipers and go check things. After a bunch of re-measurements, I guess I just have to accept that I have weird seatpost sizes. 2014 Sam Hillborne = 27.2 1982 Team Fuji = 27.2 2020 Soma Saga tourer = 27.6 2002 KTM tourer = 27.6 2001 Sundance Top City German shopping bike = 29.2 (!) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/3d2761ff-9a78-4e0d-97ae-430fc4b790a2n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: FS Surly Long Haul trucker
The LHT is one of the world’s best medium/heavy touring bikes. You might consider cross-posting to the bicycle touring group. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/58c8e79e-922d-4fad-b857-6e46452da2d2n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Landmark LBS Closed
Thankfully, the Sheldon Brown website is continuing on. His wife, Harriet Fell, and technical writer John Allen will keep it going. Good interview here: https://outspokencyclist.com/2021/06/show-561-june-26-2021/ >From the website: “Reports of the demise of this Web site are greatly exaggerated! We at sheldonbrown.com thank Harris Cyclery for its support over the years. Harris Cyclery has closed, but we keep going. Keep visiting the site for new and updated articles, and news about possible new affiliations.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/2697e814-5109-483b-978f-e45538ffb270n%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: Do you use a torque wrench? Or are they a
I started using a Capri 31000 torque wrench (Amazon, ~$40) when I started seriously working with bottom brackets, free hubs, and freewheels. For 4 years it has worked perfectly. For almost everything else, I use the “one grunt or two grunts” hand method. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/7eaef33c-39ce-4dcb-926d-2affe702d766n%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins
An '82 Fuji America is a great bike if you can find one. What the road bike people thought was a touring bike back then. https://classicfuji.posthaven.com/1982-fuji-catalog-no-12-edition -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/8c4b99f6-b948-4aea-84a8-4240c95ed097n%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: The Doctor Who Cycled Around the World
What I got from the blog was that he was an ER doctor. He didn't start specializing in tropical diseases until he actually was on the tour. He got some whiff of it in Africa, but it was the trip up from Indonesia-Maylaysia-India that rubbed his nose in it. It's been 5 years since I read the blog - somebody read the book and tell me if I'm wrong. At the start, he was feeling burned out at work, was in a pub with his mates, and after a couple of pints decided to bike around the world. He went back to the hospital, took a leave of absence, got a bike, made sure his mother was being cared for, and headed out into Europe. So I think the answer was "Because he said he was going to, that evening at the pub." NOW he's a doctor specializing in tropical diseases, after actually seeing how medicine worked in some of the places he biked through. But I do not believe he was when he started. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/994e6b03-ad8a-4f90-9326-b34310dee5f5n%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: The Doctor Who Cycled Around the World
While he was cycling, he put out a blog so you could follow the trip. I stumbled on it in about 2014 and followed him until he got home. It was fascinating. I can’t find the blog anymore, and I’m betting that is what became the book. His journal: https://stephenfabes.com/journal/ contains some stories from the blog, like the rough camping one. His writing style is excellent. I just hope he didn’t trim too much. I still wonder what happened to the girl he cycled Australia with. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/37ccafe2-8f30-47ce-9e2c-8389b5c422d5n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: FS: A. Homer Hilsen 51cm rolling chassis - $1,300 firm, Local pickup Atlanta
Bump - Last chance for someone local to Atlanta. 51 Cm. Perfect for a young lady or someone who wouldn’t make the basketball team… And you get to pick your own drive system. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/9d57d11b-7729-45bc-ada0-1258b6f51e11n%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Cycles Grand Bois Centerpulls vs Tektro R559
I ride the standard R559s on a 700c Sam, but switched to Yokozuna salmon pads after about a year. I’m 215 pounds. Yes, they are not as good when wet as disc brakes, but I’ve never had a real problem with them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/36bec003-6d2d-46e6-ba70-5a3cb1758cbbn%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: what chainline (mountain or road) front derailleur would you prefer on a triple for an older sam in 2021?
My 2015 Sam came with an XD2 double and a Claris FD. I modified the XD2 into a triple - 46-36-26, and installed a Sora FD-3030. It has worked perfectly for 4 years. I also tried it with a Deore FD-M610-B in the front, and it, too, worked perfectly. Chainline is a very real consideration. Various FDs have more or less capability. Good luck. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/cd37d10c-350c-40bf-8833-9c5907a50805n%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Handlebar/Stem pouch for Wine
If you could use your top tube: https://www.amazon.com/Repurposed-Bicycle-Handmade-Hide-Drink/dp/B015JMQIFO/ Otherwise you might strap on one of these: https://www.amazon.com/TOURBON-Canvas-Leather-Bicycle-Carrier/dp/B07JVQW85W/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/30fc2a6f-7631-49bb-a6f7-6475d76bdb4cn%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: measured speed differences between road and touring bikes
Aaron - Yes, it was about the same amount of effort. I wasn’t trying to match speeds, and didn’t. I live on a rails-to-trails and know it pretty well, and I don’t match day to day on a given bike. Some days are windier, some are hotter. On the Sam I’ve done the same ride at 10.9 mph and 11.6 mph over the years. So I picked “the last 5 rides to the caboose” for all bikes and took an average. John - The riding position, for me, is most uncomfortable on the road bike, because I just don’t bend that well anymore. I ride the hoods, and very rarely try to ride the drops. Also, since the photo, I’ve lowered the Soma’s Osprey bars 2 inches, because it was just too upright for comfort on a long trip. So over the years my bikes are all trending towards the same rider position. The Sam is my favorite - I spent three years trying different gearing and saddles and wearing it into shape. So I’m surprised that the Fuji beat it. 115 psi tires versus 50 psi tires? Anyway, keep those data points coming. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/67370cf8-7cfc-4948-8a93-ca96fe8d597dn%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv-ish Top Tube Protection
I use a leather steering wheel cover. They come in different sizes and colors, lace on, and are cheap. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/dcc67f0e-d75d-423b-9895-b4e26104398dn%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: XD2 Rings and 9 Speed
My XD2 26/36/46 with a Deore XT RD-M591 derailleur, HG-400 9 speed 11-34 cassette and KMC 9 speed chain has worked fine on my Sam for 5 years. I ran it for a while in 10-speed mode by changing only the cassette and thumb shifter. That worked well too. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/5aa75318-7e92-422f-afce-8e659c29d298n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Comebacks for when people think your bikes cost too much
The only people who have ever asked the price were fellow bicyclists. They usually preface the question with “Nice bike!” I note that most ride carbon frames, and don’t bat an eye because their bikes typically cost more. And I only think they asked because they recognize that it is a modern lugged steel bike. It is an interesting point, however. I’ve become well acquainted with the owner of an LBS, who has an RB-1. His comment - “The boomers come in here and drop 2, 3, 4 grand on a bike. They want carbon. They want Ultegra. I’m glad to sell it to them, if I have it.” Well-meaning loved ones know that I owned a Lotus 7 sports car for 30 years. “I sold the Lotus and bought a bike” would suffice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/6e37b64c-31d7-4754-9ae5-eb3470ea5c66n%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Parts Shortage Article
Some of it is a matter of manufacturing plant closures due to covid: https://www.bicycleretailer.com/international/2021/06/10/shimano-forced-shut-malaysia-component-factory-latest-blow-supply-chain Some of it is due to unprecedented demand - a new bicycle boom: https://www.bbc.com/future/bespoke/made-on-earth/the-great-bicycle-boom-of-2020.html And a lot is due to the general clog in transport: https://www.npr.org/2021/06/21/1007938067/cargo-is-piling-up-everywhere-and-its-making-inflation-worse It will all go back to “normal” eventually, but the normal will not be what it was before the pandemic. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/ae8c4d3e-c485-4abd-9189-911bd176fe21n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: My recent "CO-GAP" 7-day trip
Sorry, I see that it is the Great Allegheny Passage. I should have read more closely. Thanks for your post! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/ff72ca8f-b8a0-4ff7-83c0-019300d5b068n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: My recent "CO-GAP" 7-day trip
Was this route that they call The Great Allegheny Passage? https://www.aarp.org/travel/vacation-ideas/outdoors/info-2021/rail-trails-for-biking.html I’ve wanted to do that for a few years now. I’ve thought about using my Sam, but the trail seemed more suited for my Soma Saga tourer. How did the Sam hold up? What tires? Thanks for any further information! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/9925ea43-e26e-4f1c-bc56-b3f290abf43cn%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: 700c Wheel recommendations
I use Velocity Atlas wheels on my Sam, and they’ve been good with any tire size I’ve tried up through 50mm. I’m 200 lbs plus, so I use 36 spokes. They are possibly a bit of overkill for my typical 42mm tires, but they’ve been trouble free. My touring bike has Velocity Dyads and they run fine with up to 42mm tires - I haven’t tried them with anything bigger, though they should fit 50mm. Also 36 spokes since they carry me plus 35 pounds for a loaded tour, and also trouble free. Cliffhangers probably are overkill, because a heavier wheel makes it a little tougher to do the hills. Over time this matters - like going tubeless. Your riding style isn’t as important as the ability to handle a wider tire, however. A 50 mm tire on an A23 would be squeezing it. A Cliffhanger, Atlas or Dyad should handle it just fine. My recommendation for your riding style and tire size would be the Atlas. Lighter weight than the Cliffhangers, and plenty strong. They also come with eyelets to prevent cracking around the spoke holes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/ba49a5f7-57ec-4937-b078-977f2cbca50fn%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Sam sizing advice
And under the “if I knew then what I know now” department… It is really tough to buy a boutique bike without having ridden it. If you’re going to pay >$3000 for a fully tricked-out Rivendell, or ~$1500 for a frame+fork, you want to get it right. So… Do you have a bike you ride or have ridden that you think really fits you? Try to find that bike on bikeinsights.com, then compare it to the Sams on the same site for stack and reach. You can make an account that lets you modify the configuration - like bigger tires. https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5b8578f548f3a30004789b21,5d250fb4ff3c94001746ed6e, Take the minimum Sam that has 700c wheels (say a 54) and put out a request on this list to test ride one. “Anybody near (your address) have a 54 Sam I can try?” You’ll get more offers than you think. Live near Atlanta? Come and ride mine. Find a Rivendell dealer, or ideally go to their store in Walnut Creek, and test ride everything you can. You might find that a Sam isn’t quite what you want, but an AHH is. And if you really want that 54 Sam, and your size is close, go get that 54 Sam and modify it until it is your perfect bike. Seat height, stem length, grips, pedals, bars, tires. You can change the whole feel of the bike in a lot of different ways. This method is expensive, but it does result in a good set of tools. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/29ba12b9-f9db-4a0a-b5f4-6956093c63d3n%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Sam sizing advice
I’m 5’ 9” (used to be 5’ 10”) and measured my PBH at 83. I measured it again to be sure I was doing it right, then again a couple of weeks later. Every bicycle I had from 1975 on was 700c. There was no way I was going to go 650b. I ordered a Sam in 2015, and Will set me up with a 55 Cm frame even though I did not mention my aversion to 650b. The SOH of that frame was listed at 83.3. My Sam felt just a little “tall” for me. Sliding off the seat forward at a stop took some getting used to. I did adapt, however, and now the Sam feels like it is part of me when I ride. Last year I got a 51 Cm Homer (650b), to see if a smaller frame would be better. It is MUCH too small. Don’t do that. So I’m with J L. Call Riv, and believe what they set you up with. If they try to set you up with a frame that takes 650b, and you don’t want 650b, buy something else. As for another model similar to a Sam, look for a Soma Saga. A Platypus is also listed as “a country bike”, but it feels nothing like a Sam, while the Saga does. I do think a good used Sam from the 2014 - 2017 era would be a good fit, and the 54 Cm probably would, too. If you slide off the seat, be sure to land on your toes. ;-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/8aeb5bef-2132-4f72-a63e-2ebc4d8593e6n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Increasing Spring Tension - Rear Derailleur
Just so we know what we're talking about, here is the exploded view. https://si.shimano.com/pdfs/ev/EV-RD-M580-2367.pdf There is a spring that runs the body (2), and a spring that tensions the cage (9). As a Mechanical Engineer, if I had two of these, I'd take one apart just on general principle. :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/139b2372-0805-41e1-bb97-32a8944992bbn%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Platypus Weight?
This thread is becoming a very interesting discussion for me. For 40 years I designed and tested airplanes. I specialized in aerodynamics/performance, hence: aeroperf. When a boss would ask what was my greatest challenge, I would have to say “Weight!”. So Phillip points out that “those Kenda tires weigh over 5lbs a pair.” That leads me to wonder where my Sam’s 30.5 pounds has come from, especially since Linda G is riding a 22.6 pound Roadini, and all frames seem to be in the 6 - 10 pound range. And I’m thinking Bill Lindsay has a great idea to try a super light build for a step through. Where DOES one pick up (or shed) all that extra weight? And, does it really affect how a Riv rides? I know tire weight does, because both my wife and myself have commented how riding 810 gram Schwalbe Marathon tires seem to be like going through mud compared to the 505 gram SpeedRides we’re used to. Plus, my college bicycle team would line a set of wheel rims with lead under the rim tape if they wanted to “challenge” the hill climbers. But that still appears to be a small contributor to overall bicycle weight. I really haven’t seen where a pound or two makes a difference on my Sam. If I add a rear-view mirror, it seems insignificant. On the other hand, my touring bike, a Soma Saga Disc, weighs only a half pound more than the Sam comparably equipped. But when I pile on 40 pounds of gear, the Sam chokes while the Saga goes “Meh.” So there must be a cumulative effect, that only *seems* insignificant. Back to the subject. The Riv web site advertises the Platypus as a “country bike” just like the Sam. How DO the frame weights compare? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/31cec85b-6aea-471d-b1db-ff343059a429n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Platypus Weight?
I can’t imagine someone who wanted a certain Rivendell bike turning it down because another model weighed a pound less. I’m just interested in what design choices have what results. Like the step-throughs. How does a Platypus (mixte) compare to a Susie (swooping top tube) compare to a Clem L (swooping top tube with brace)? And how would these compare to a double-diamond of the same approximate fit? The problem would be finding any way you could compare them directly. But other than “only a couple of pounds heavier than carbon”, we really don’t hear much about Rivendell weights. For myself, I love the Sam because of fit and ride. But I would be interested. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/dd710027-bc00-43a5-b6ef-b7012e387ceen%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Platypus Weight?
I would be interested to find out what ANY of the Riv frame sets weigh. My only data point is for a 2014 55 Sam, built up with fenders, bell, and rear rack - 30.5 pounds. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/22702eb0-f24c-41c2-a965-e7c9c0341368n%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: Recommendations for 44-46 mm 700c all rounder tires, must roll well on pavement?
I run Velocity Atlas rims (on my Sam) and Velocity Dyad rims (on my tourer). I do mostly pavement riding. I’ve run Continental Speed Ride tires for 5 years. I haven’t had a flat with them, ever (though that's probably just luck). I run them at 50 psi. They only come in one size - 622 x 42. They cost about $25. My last set went 5000 miles. Try them. For the price, if you don’t like them you can pitch them without remorse. But they certainly work for me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/a8488b16-6808-472c-b3d7-aad1ebab8e41n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Building a Sam Hillborne
Dang, that is a big collection of spare parts. Your problem with this thread is going to be the fact that everybody has an opinion. People “like” different things, and will be proponents of them. So what you need to do first is figure out what YOU like. and that is going to be hard. You like drop bars, so… drop bars. Except, if you’ve never tried mustache or albatross bars, maybe you should try one set. And lots of folks will be posting saying “Yes! Straight bars!”. I like Osprey bars, bar-ends, triple cranksets, and 9-speed rears. I have good reasons for each choice, but your riding and reasons WILL be different. So let’s start here: 1. Pick something you are comfortable with that you have multiple selections for. And based on your spreadsheet, that won’t be limiting. So just pick one - 3x9 and bar-ends on drops, for instance. What have you liked before? 2. Download the information for the parts you have. I know Shimano has posted Shop Manuals, User’s Manuals, and Exploded Views for EVERYTHING. I’m kind of thinking Campi does, too. 3. Go through the data and find the bits that go together The right chainline. The right throw and shape (2x derailleurs have a different throw and shape from 3x derailleurs, for instance). The right brake reach. The right rims for your riding style, and hubs for your accessories. 4. Order anything you really want and don’t have, and build it up, and go try it. That will at least get you a complete bike you can use as a base. 5. Modify anything you don’t like. Over and over. If you get stuck, post here. And enjoy the process! The wonderful thing about a Sam is that it succeeds for almost any set of choices. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/3be45d26-558e-4395-a051-3ed219495741n%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Do the Clem Smith Junior stepthrough bicycles have a used value?
Would this be worth a dedicated “How to sell a Riv” thread? I’ve seen a lot of people selling, a lot of people looking to buy. This is the first thread I’ve seen with discussion about How To. List in a lot of places, list on other groups, be patient, consider consignment at an LBS. To which I could add “Spend a day cleaning with a toothbrush, soapy water, and apply a good show car polish like Zaino’s, and you’ll get an extra $100”, unless you are selling it sight-unseen. Also a few other comments, but this thread doesn't seem the place. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/067aa2c3-2e63-43e8-8004-3b138ff3f701n%40googlegroups.com.
