Re: [RBW] 1st world commuting dilemma

[Josh C]

Bill - love the bike. Thanks for sharing. My parking situation is similar. 
Out of the way a bit but accessible by the public. 

I do a U lock through the back wheel and cable through the front wheel 
personally. 

On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 10:48:28 AM UTC-5 Bill Schaefer wrote:

> Haha, well the U lock is through the front wheel, and this was just a 
> quick stop in the office so I wasn't worried about the rear wheel. Always 
> good advice though!
>
> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 10:22:08 AM UTC-5 James Valiensi wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> Nice Atlantis! I recommend a cable lock thru the wheels too. Else you’ll 
>> come bake to a frame without wheels!
>>
>> On Dec 8, 2023, at 6:50 AM, Bill Schaefer  wrote:
>>
>> Josh,
>>
>> I actually lock mine up to the single bike rack in the loading dock of my 
>> building. Its in an area open to the public but its under an overhang so 
>> it's not getting rained on, and not too many people go down there, so its 
>> definitely a unique situation, and a bit safer than locking on the street 
>> since its only visible to anyone who wanders down there. Here's a pic from 
>> yesterday I snapped leaving work. The "reserved for management" sign makes 
>> me chuckle every time (that's for the car parking space).
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 1:09:56 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>>  Ginz - Thanks for the reply. I feel like riding it and using it for 
>>> its intended purpose is probably the right answer. I just feel like it may 
>>> be a bit of a target. IDK, it’s mostly us nerds that think Rivss are cool 
>>> and not beach cruisers anyway, right… Forgive me if I should know; do you 
>>> commute on a Rivendell Ginz? 
>>>
>>> Hoch - My commute is short as well, and by design. The last time I moved 
>>> and got a new job I made sure that my work was in the same zip code as my 
>>> residence. I see your point about riding the Ogre, but again, it’s not a 
>>> cheap bike to replace either. Also, my job is too all-consuming to worry 
>>> about anything else while at work; which can good and bad at times. 
>>>
>>> Cody - Thanks for adding some real-world experience commuting with that 
>>> killer Hillborne. You’re right, people seem to know Surly better (at least 
>>> here in the Midwest) I probably get more compliments on the Ogre and my 
>>> daughter’s Crosscheck than I do my Rivs. Thanks for adding the pic of your 
>>> bikes…notes the saddle lock…is that wrapped in an old tube? 
>>>
>>> Bill - Well put. That’s how I’m viewing it. Again, I put more miles on 
>>> the drop bar Atlantis but I ride my commuter WAY more often. Bill, do you 
>>> have the luxury of taking your daily driver inside or do you park out in 
>>> the wild? I’d love to see a pic too if you've got time. 
>>>
>>> Josiah - Love that you ride those bikes around and lock ‘em up outside. 
>>> I do figure that most people don’t think the Atlantis is cool enough to 
>>> steal, not compared to other bikes around. Indy used to get snow regularly, 
>>> all winter long, but now we get maybe 1 or 2 good snows and the rest is 
>>> just slop. If it’s too nasty I’ll just drive. I don’t have time in the 
>>> mornings to show up covered in road sludge. 
>>>
>>> B - I agree
>>>
>>> Patrick - Told ya. First world problem indeed. I work in a hospital in 
>>> critical care and there just really isn’t anywhere to put it. I do park out 
>>> of the way as much as possible but can't take it in. I love that Matthews 
>>> and your utilitarian approach to John’s strap-rigged, awkward, package 
>>> haul’n 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 12:58:48 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 I used to do multi-mode commuting before I retired about 18 years ago - 
 ride the bike to the station, take train to the city, walk 4-5 blocks to 
 the office.  Never worried much about theft out here in the 'burbs while 
 working downtown because it was an old early 70's Fuji that I had 
 re-geared 
 and converted for commuting.  It was the ideal bike for that - rode well, 
 handled well, and was by no means an eye-catcher.

 BUT, I'd be way more concerned about salt damage during the Winter 
 months (used to live in the Indy area myself and, yes, they use it on the 
 streets there in abundance) and riding on hazardous icy slick surfaces 
 than 
 I would theft.

 BTW, why the classification of your Indy location, or the U.S. for that 
 matter, as a 1st World country in particular?  In many ways nowadays it is 
 backsliding into 3rd World status.
 On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 11:13:15 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Speaking of parking indoors: our priest got tired of me taking the 
> bike into the church (well, it was until a couple of weeks ago a prefab 
> now 
> used as the hall) to park it in the bathroom or library or kitchen, so he 
> gave me a key to the outside utility closet. I had seniority rights as 
> I'd 
> been parking 

Re: [RBW] 1st world commuting dilemma

[Bill Schaefer]

Haha, well the U lock is through the front wheel, and this was just a quick 
stop in the office so I wasn't worried about the rear wheel. Always good 
advice though!

On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 10:22:08 AM UTC-5 James Valiensi wrote:

> Hi,
> Nice Atlantis! I recommend a cable lock thru the wheels too. Else you’ll 
> come bake to a frame without wheels!
>
> On Dec 8, 2023, at 6:50 AM, Bill Schaefer  wrote:
>
> Josh,
>
> I actually lock mine up to the single bike rack in the loading dock of my 
> building. Its in an area open to the public but its under an overhang so 
> it's not getting rained on, and not too many people go down there, so its 
> definitely a unique situation, and a bit safer than locking on the street 
> since its only visible to anyone who wanders down there. Here's a pic from 
> yesterday I snapped leaving work. The "reserved for management" sign makes 
> me chuckle every time (that's for the car parking space).
>
> 
>
>
> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 1:09:56 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:
>
>>  Ginz - Thanks for the reply. I feel like riding it and using it for its 
>> intended purpose is probably the right answer. I just feel like it may be a 
>> bit of a target. IDK, it’s mostly us nerds that think Rivss are cool and 
>> not beach cruisers anyway, right… Forgive me if I should know; do you 
>> commute on a Rivendell Ginz? 
>>
>> Hoch - My commute is short as well, and by design. The last time I moved 
>> and got a new job I made sure that my work was in the same zip code as my 
>> residence. I see your point about riding the Ogre, but again, it’s not a 
>> cheap bike to replace either. Also, my job is too all-consuming to worry 
>> about anything else while at work; which can good and bad at times. 
>>
>> Cody - Thanks for adding some real-world experience commuting with that 
>> killer Hillborne. You’re right, people seem to know Surly better (at least 
>> here in the Midwest) I probably get more compliments on the Ogre and my 
>> daughter’s Crosscheck than I do my Rivs. Thanks for adding the pic of your 
>> bikes…notes the saddle lock…is that wrapped in an old tube? 
>>
>> Bill - Well put. That’s how I’m viewing it. Again, I put more miles on 
>> the drop bar Atlantis but I ride my commuter WAY more often. Bill, do you 
>> have the luxury of taking your daily driver inside or do you park out in 
>> the wild? I’d love to see a pic too if you've got time. 
>>
>> Josiah - Love that you ride those bikes around and lock ‘em up outside. I 
>> do figure that most people don’t think the Atlantis is cool enough to 
>> steal, not compared to other bikes around. Indy used to get snow regularly, 
>> all winter long, but now we get maybe 1 or 2 good snows and the rest is 
>> just slop. If it’s too nasty I’ll just drive. I don’t have time in the 
>> mornings to show up covered in road sludge. 
>>
>> B - I agree
>>
>> Patrick - Told ya. First world problem indeed. I work in a hospital in 
>> critical care and there just really isn’t anywhere to put it. I do park out 
>> of the way as much as possible but can't take it in. I love that Matthews 
>> and your utilitarian approach to John’s strap-rigged, awkward, package 
>> haul’n 
>>
>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 12:58:48 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> I used to do multi-mode commuting before I retired about 18 years ago - 
>>> ride the bike to the station, take train to the city, walk 4-5 blocks to 
>>> the office.  Never worried much about theft out here in the 'burbs while 
>>> working downtown because it was an old early 70's Fuji that I had re-geared 
>>> and converted for commuting.  It was the ideal bike for that - rode well, 
>>> handled well, and was by no means an eye-catcher.
>>>
>>> BUT, I'd be way more concerned about salt damage during the Winter 
>>> months (used to live in the Indy area myself and, yes, they use it on the 
>>> streets there in abundance) and riding on hazardous icy slick surfaces than 
>>> I would theft.
>>>
>>> BTW, why the classification of your Indy location, or the U.S. for that 
>>> matter, as a 1st World country in particular?  In many ways nowadays it is 
>>> backsliding into 3rd World status.
>>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 11:13:15 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Speaking of parking indoors: our priest got tired of me taking the bike 
 into the church (well, it was until a couple of weeks ago a prefab now 
 used 
 as the hall) to park it in the bathroom or library or kitchen, so he gave 
 me a key to the outside utility closet. I had seniority rights as I'd been 
 parking inside since about 1995 and he only arrived in about 2010.

 I think he gave me the key after I wheeled my Ken Rogers into the 
 library at the start of a parish council meeting 

 On Thu, Dec 7, 2023 at 10:05 AM Patrick Moore  
 wrote:

> First world problem indeed! But I felt it back when I commuted to an 
> office.
>
> First, is there any way you 

Re: [RBW] 1st world commuting dilemma

[James Valiensi]

Hi,
Nice Atlantis! I recommend a cable lock thru the wheels too. Else you’ll come 
bake to a frame without wheels!

> On Dec 8, 2023, at 6:50 AM, Bill Schaefer  wrote:
> 
> Josh,
> 
> I actually lock mine up to the single bike rack in the loading dock of my 
> building. Its in an area open to the public but its under an overhang so it's 
> not getting rained on, and not too many people go down there, so its 
> definitely a unique situation, and a bit safer than locking on the street 
> since its only visible to anyone who wanders down there. Here's a pic from 
> yesterday I snapped leaving work. The "reserved for management" sign makes me 
> chuckle every time (that's for the car parking space).
> 
> 
> 
> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 1:09:56 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:
>>  Ginz - Thanks for the reply. I feel like riding it and using it for its 
>> intended purpose is probably the right answer. I just feel like it may be a 
>> bit of a target. IDK, it’s mostly us nerds that think Rivss are cool and not 
>> beach cruisers anyway, right… Forgive me if I should know; do you commute on 
>> a Rivendell Ginz? 
>> 
>> Hoch - My commute is short as well, and by design. The last time I moved and 
>> got a new job I made sure that my work was in the same zip code as my 
>> residence. I see your point about riding the Ogre, but again, it’s not a 
>> cheap bike to replace either. Also, my job is too all-consuming to worry 
>> about anything else while at work; which can good and bad at times. 
>> 
>> Cody - Thanks for adding some real-world experience commuting with that 
>> killer Hillborne. You’re right, people seem to know Surly better (at least 
>> here in the Midwest) I probably get more compliments on the Ogre and my 
>> daughter’s Crosscheck than I do my Rivs. Thanks for adding the pic of your 
>> bikes…notes the saddle lock…is that wrapped in an old tube? 
>> 
>> Bill - Well put. That’s how I’m viewing it. Again, I put more miles on the 
>> drop bar Atlantis but I ride my commuter WAY more often. Bill, do you have 
>> the luxury of taking your daily driver inside or do you park out in the 
>> wild? I’d love to see a pic too if you've got time. 
>> 
>> Josiah - Love that you ride those bikes around and lock ‘em up outside. I do 
>> figure that most people don’t think the Atlantis is cool enough to steal, 
>> not compared to other bikes around. Indy used to get snow regularly, all 
>> winter long, but now we get maybe 1 or 2 good snows and the rest is just 
>> slop. If it’s too nasty I’ll just drive. I don’t have time in the mornings 
>> to show up covered in road sludge. 
>> 
>> B - I agree
>> 
>> Patrick - Told ya. First world problem indeed. I work in a hospital in 
>> critical care and there just really isn’t anywhere to put it. I do park out 
>> of the way as much as possible but can't take it in. I love that Matthews 
>> and your utilitarian approach to John’s strap-rigged, awkward, package 
>> haul’n 
>> 
>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 12:58:48 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>>> I used to do multi-mode commuting before I retired about 18 years ago - 
>>> ride the bike to the station, take train to the city, walk 4-5 blocks to 
>>> the office.  Never worried much about theft out here in the 'burbs while 
>>> working downtown because it was an old early 70's Fuji that I had re-geared 
>>> and converted for commuting.  It was the ideal bike for that - rode well, 
>>> handled well, and was by no means an eye-catcher.
>>> 
>>> BUT, I'd be way more concerned about salt damage during the Winter months 
>>> (used to live in the Indy area myself and, yes, they use it on the streets 
>>> there in abundance) and riding on hazardous icy slick surfaces than I would 
>>> theft.
>>> 
>>> BTW, why the classification of your Indy location, or the U.S. for that 
>>> matter, as a 1st World country in particular?  In many ways nowadays it is 
>>> backsliding into 3rd World status.
>>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 11:13:15 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
 Speaking of parking indoors: our priest got tired of me taking the bike 
 into the church (well, it was until a couple of weeks ago a prefab now 
 used as the hall) to park it in the bathroom or library or kitchen, so he 
 gave me a key to the outside utility closet. I had seniority rights as I'd 
 been parking inside since about 1995 and he only arrived in about 2010.
 
 I think he gave me the key after I wheeled my Ken Rogers into the library 
 at the start of a parish council meeting 
 
 On Thu, Dec 7, 2023 at 10:05 AM Patrick Moore > wrote:
> First world problem indeed! But I felt it back when I commuted to an 
> office.
> 
> First, is there any way you could cajole, plead, whine, insist that your 
> employer let you park your bike inside? Do you have an office? I was 
> always able to park the bike in my office (once I had a second office as 
> a garage) and that solved many problems -- one 

Re: [RBW] 1st world commuting dilemma

[Josh C]

Greg, Patrick - I’ve thought about a variation on that, a smattering of 
stickers covering the decals. Not sure I’ll do either. I’m nearly 40 and a 
bit over stickers all over things and not sure I’d like the look of tape. 


Robert - You’re right I’m sure NYC is more of a “bike theft city” but if 
you’ve been there in the last few years it is nearly 100% e-bikes in the 
city now and I’m sure that Eben enjoys some benefit of the target-rich 
environment that a huge city packed full of e-bikes brings. His 
old-fashioned bike likely doesn't draw much attention in that town these 
days. 


Luke - This is my sentiment as well. I love your setup and thanks for 
posting a pic. I’ve seen that bike before and it’s killer. I’d probably put 
a front rack and basket on mine as well but also like a good old-fashioned 
rack and pannier for schlepping my junk to work. I’m a pannier for work and 
basket for fun kind of guy. 


Keith - There are concerns for theft for sure but I’ve ridden things that 
cost more than the Atlantis and they’ve not come up missing. What I don’t 
want is to ride what I think will be safe for years and years just to end 
up with a garage full of unused bikes that I wish I had used more. I’m 
leaning toward giving it a go. If it gets stolen, maybe I’ll go back to the 
surly or grab a Clem. I feel you regarding living in a place with low theft 
but I work in cardiovascular critical care medicine as an NP and the only 
real spot for this type of work is in larger cities. Also, I love Indy but 
it does have its downsides. 


Cody - Gotcha, yeah that’s a good idea. I do a similar zip-tie type combo 
lock for long road rides. It’s a super light little thing that I take just 
to lock up if I need to pop into a gas station or store for food and 
hydration. I wouldn’t trust it long but it’s good for what it is. 

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Re: [RBW] 1st world commuting dilemma

[Cody Marvin]

"Thanks for adding the pic of your bikes…notes the saddle lock…is that
wrapped in an old tube?"

I've used the chain in a tube method before, but as a tinkerer I found it
to be kind of a pain if I want to swap saddles, so I have a couple of
these Kryptonite
locks
.
They cost $10-15. I've also found them to be useful when I'm on rides
outside the city - if I want to stop for a few in a relatively low-theft
area, there are no bike racks or skinny poles, and my Abus lock is too
short to go around a telephone pole or whatever, I can use this to lock the
frame.

On Fri, Dec 8, 2023 at 5:00 AM iamkeith  wrote:

> I can't seem to get past Josiah's reply, referring to Missoula and the U
> of M as having a notorious bike theft problem.  If that's true, then things
> have really changed since I went to college in Montana (MSU) in the 1980s,
> and is very sad.  I can't help but think/hope though, that bike theft there
> is mostly a crime of convenience?  College kids taking someone else's bike
> home from the bar, perhaps?  I can't even fathom it being as bad as Denver,
> where my daughter now attends college, and where bike theft is a
> full-fledged industry, and where the police turn a blind eye even when
> someone locates their stolen bike.  Thieves there use cordless angle
> grinders to cut locks in broad daylight, with no fear of repercussion.
>
> What matters is crime conditions in Indianapolis though, and Josh's
> tollerance for risk.  I'm going to take the contrarian view, and say don't
> ride anything that you're not WILLING to lose.   If theft occurs locally on
> any kind of regular basis, just concede that it's inevitable.  Economics
> would matter more than brand to a thief - so they should to you, too.  If
> you can afford to replace the bike without it being a hardship, then go for
> it.  You can still get your current Atlantis, so there's not even the
> "irreplaceable" consideration that you'd have with the hunquapillar.
>
> On the other hand, if losing the bike is going to be a hardship or cause
> you to loose sleep and become bitter, get a "true" beater, and tune it for
> efficiency.   The fact that you're asking this question tells me you have
> some concerns.
>
> But my opinion is  based on my own priorities and the life choices I've
> made, which are probably different than most people's..  I deliberately
> chose to live in a place where theft is non-existent, even though that
> choice came with career limitations and economic implications.  Partly for
> that reason, I tend to treasure my nice bikes and think of them as lifetime
> investments or heirlooms.  I usually don't have to make this choice, but I
> think I'd be happy to make riding them a stricly "special event," while
> having a dedicated sacrificial bike for the mundane.
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Re: [RBW] 1st world commuting dilemma

[iamkeith]

I can't seem to get past Josiah's reply, referring to Missoula and the U of 
M as having a notorious bike theft problem.  If that's true, then things 
have really changed since I went to college in Montana (MSU) in the 1980s, 
and is very sad.  I can't help but think/hope though, that bike theft there 
is mostly a crime of convenience?  College kids taking someone else's bike 
home from the bar, perhaps?  I can't even fathom it being as bad as Denver, 
where my daughter now attends college, and where bike theft is a 
full-fledged industry, and where the police turn a blind eye even when 
someone locates their stolen bike.  Thieves there use cordless angle 
grinders to cut locks in broad daylight, with no fear of repercussion.

What matters is crime conditions in Indianapolis though, and Josh's 
tollerance for risk.  I'm going to take the contrarian view, and say don't 
ride anything that you're not WILLING to lose.   If theft occurs locally on 
any kind of regular basis, just concede that it's inevitable.  Economics 
would matter more than brand to a thief - so they should to you, too.  If 
you can afford to replace the bike without it being a hardship, then go for 
it.  You can still get your current Atlantis, so there's not even the 
"irreplaceable" consideration that you'd have with the hunquapillar.   

On the other hand, if losing the bike is going to be a hardship or cause 
you to loose sleep and become bitter, get a "true" beater, and tune it for 
efficiency.   The fact that you're asking this question tells me you have 
some concerns.

But my opinion is  based on my own priorities and the life choices I've 
made, which are probably different than most people's..  I deliberately 
chose to live in a place where theft is non-existent, even though that 
choice came with career limitations and economic implications.  Partly for 
that reason, I tend to treasure my nice bikes and think of them as lifetime 
investments or heirlooms.  I usually don't have to make this choice, but I 
think I'd be happy to make riding them a stricly "special event," while 
having a dedicated sacrificial bike for the mundane.

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Re: [RBW] 1st world commuting dilemma

[Patrick Moore]

This suggestion reminds me of the "pseudo Ram" that someone on the boblist
posted 10 or 15 years ago on a thread about beater commuters. It was, IIRC,
a decent UJB or bike book sports tourer built up nicely but cheaply with
the frame very elegantly and completely wrapped in first-ed-Ram orange duct
tape. In fact, dim memories stir in my back-brain to tell me it might have
been cyclofiend ...?

On Thu, Dec 7, 2023 at 4:30 PM Greg J  wrote:

> Another suggestion for your consideration is to cover up the downtube
> "Atlantis" logo with color-matching tape. Of course, you may not wish to,
> but I think that would deter at least some thieves - they can't do
> real-time research by looking up what an Atlantis is worth.  I used to do
> this back in the day with my Ritchey MTB.
>
> Greg
>
> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 1:23:27 PM UTC-8 Josh C wrote:
>
>> That Ogre is ready to go, nice! I wouldn't consider commuting on the Hunq
>> either but I do ride it like anything else.
>>
>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 2:10:16 PM UTC-5 Hoch in ut wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_3203.jpeg]I get more compliments on my Ogre than my Riv’s
>>> as well! I’ve got one like your Hunq but in green. I’d never take that
>>> commuting. Not so much for it getting stolen but folks not being gentle
>>> when they lock up their bikes. And honestly, getting it stolen.
>>> They salt the roads here as well. I’d never take my Riv’s after a storm.
>>>
>>> I recently bought a fairly nice Trek FX for my daughter. Low-mid level
>>> Shimano components. Everything works well. Has fender and rack mounts. All
>>> for $50! It’s a nice riding bike. And probably something I’d consider if I
>>> needed a cheap, nice-riding commuter. Especially for the salty winter
>>> months.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 11:09:56 AM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>>>
  Ginz - Thanks for the reply. I feel like riding it and using it for
 its intended purpose is probably the right answer. I just feel like it may
 be a bit of a target. IDK, it’s mostly us nerds that think Rivss are cool
 and not beach cruisers anyway, right… Forgive me if I should know; do you
 commute on a Rivendell Ginz?


 Hoch - My commute is short as well, and by design. The last time I
 moved and got a new job I made sure that my work was in the same zip code
 as my residence. I see your point about riding the Ogre, but again, it’s
 not a cheap bike to replace either. Also, my job is too all-consuming to
 worry about anything else while at work; which can good and bad at times.


 Cody - Thanks for adding some real-world experience commuting with that
 killer Hillborne. You’re right, people seem to know Surly better (at least
 here in the Midwest) I probably get more compliments on the Ogre and my
 daughter’s Crosscheck than I do my Rivs. Thanks for adding the pic of your
 bikes…notes the saddle lock…is that wrapped in an old tube?


 Bill - Well put. That’s how I’m viewing it. Again, I put more miles on
 the drop bar Atlantis but I ride my commuter WAY more often. Bill, do you
 have the luxury of taking your daily driver inside or do you park out in
 the wild? I’d love to see a pic too if you've got time.


 Josiah - Love that you ride those bikes around and lock ‘em up outside.
 I do figure that most people don’t think the Atlantis is cool enough to
 steal, not compared to other bikes around. Indy used to get snow regularly,
 all winter long, but now we get maybe 1 or 2 good snows and the rest is
 just slop. If it’s too nasty I’ll just drive. I don’t have time in the
 mornings to show up covered in road sludge.


 B - I agree


 Patrick - Told ya. First world problem indeed. I work in a hospital in
 critical care and there just really isn’t anywhere to put it. I do park out
 of the way as much as possible but can't take it in. I love that Matthews
 and your utilitarian approach to John’s strap-rigged, awkward, package
 haul’n

 On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 12:58:48 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:

> I used to do multi-mode commuting before I retired about 18 years ago
> - ride the bike to the station, take train to the city, walk 4-5 blocks to
> the office.  Never worried much about theft out here in the 'burbs while
> working downtown because it was an old early 70's Fuji that I had 
> re-geared
> and converted for commuting.  It was the ideal bike for that - rode well,
> handled well, and was by no means an eye-catcher.
>
> BUT, I'd be way more concerned about salt damage during the Winter
> months (used to live in the Indy area myself and, yes, they use it on the
> streets there in abundance) and riding on hazardous icy slick surfaces 
> than
> I would theft.
>
> BTW, why the classification of your Indy location, or the U.S. for
> that matter, as a 1st 

Re: [RBW] 1st world commuting dilemma

[Greg J]

Another suggestion for your consideration is to cover up the downtube 
"Atlantis" logo with color-matching tape. Of course, you may not wish to, 
but I think that would deter at least some thieves - they can't do 
real-time research by looking up what an Atlantis is worth.  I used to do 
this back in the day with my Ritchey MTB.

Greg  

On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 1:23:27 PM UTC-8 Josh C wrote:

> That Ogre is ready to go, nice! I wouldn't consider commuting on the Hunq 
> either but I do ride it like anything else. 
>
> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 2:10:16 PM UTC-5 Hoch in ut wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_3203.jpeg]I get more compliments on my Ogre than my Riv’s as 
>> well! I’ve got one like your Hunq but in green. I’d never take that 
>> commuting. Not so much for it getting stolen but folks not being gentle 
>> when they lock up their bikes. And honestly, getting it stolen. 
>> They salt the roads here as well. I’d never take my Riv’s after a storm. 
>>
>> I recently bought a fairly nice Trek FX for my daughter. Low-mid level 
>> Shimano components. Everything works well. Has fender and rack mounts. All 
>> for $50! It’s a nice riding bike. And probably something I’d consider if I 
>> needed a cheap, nice-riding commuter. Especially for the salty winter 
>> months. 
>>
>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 11:09:56 AM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>>  Ginz - Thanks for the reply. I feel like riding it and using it for 
>>> its intended purpose is probably the right answer. I just feel like it may 
>>> be a bit of a target. IDK, it’s mostly us nerds that think Rivss are cool 
>>> and not beach cruisers anyway, right… Forgive me if I should know; do you 
>>> commute on a Rivendell Ginz? 
>>>
>>>
>>> Hoch - My commute is short as well, and by design. The last time I moved 
>>> and got a new job I made sure that my work was in the same zip code as my 
>>> residence. I see your point about riding the Ogre, but again, it’s not a 
>>> cheap bike to replace either. Also, my job is too all-consuming to worry 
>>> about anything else while at work; which can good and bad at times. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Cody - Thanks for adding some real-world experience commuting with that 
>>> killer Hillborne. You’re right, people seem to know Surly better (at least 
>>> here in the Midwest) I probably get more compliments on the Ogre and my 
>>> daughter’s Crosscheck than I do my Rivs. Thanks for adding the pic of your 
>>> bikes…notes the saddle lock…is that wrapped in an old tube? 
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill - Well put. That’s how I’m viewing it. Again, I put more miles on 
>>> the drop bar Atlantis but I ride my commuter WAY more often. Bill, do you 
>>> have the luxury of taking your daily driver inside or do you park out in 
>>> the wild? I’d love to see a pic too if you've got time. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Josiah - Love that you ride those bikes around and lock ‘em up outside. 
>>> I do figure that most people don’t think the Atlantis is cool enough to 
>>> steal, not compared to other bikes around. Indy used to get snow regularly, 
>>> all winter long, but now we get maybe 1 or 2 good snows and the rest is 
>>> just slop. If it’s too nasty I’ll just drive. I don’t have time in the 
>>> mornings to show up covered in road sludge. 
>>>
>>>
>>> B - I agree
>>>
>>>
>>> Patrick - Told ya. First world problem indeed. I work in a hospital in 
>>> critical care and there just really isn’t anywhere to put it. I do park out 
>>> of the way as much as possible but can't take it in. I love that Matthews 
>>> and your utilitarian approach to John’s strap-rigged, awkward, package 
>>> haul’n 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 12:58:48 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 I used to do multi-mode commuting before I retired about 18 years ago - 
 ride the bike to the station, take train to the city, walk 4-5 blocks to 
 the office.  Never worried much about theft out here in the 'burbs while 
 working downtown because it was an old early 70's Fuji that I had 
 re-geared 
 and converted for commuting.  It was the ideal bike for that - rode well, 
 handled well, and was by no means an eye-catcher.

 BUT, I'd be way more concerned about salt damage during the Winter 
 months (used to live in the Indy area myself and, yes, they use it on the 
 streets there in abundance) and riding on hazardous icy slick surfaces 
 than 
 I would theft.

 BTW, why the classification of your Indy location, or the U.S. for that 
 matter, as a 1st World country in particular?  In many ways nowadays it is 
 backsliding into 3rd World status.
 On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 11:13:15 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Speaking of parking indoors: our priest got tired of me taking the 
> bike into the church (well, it was until a couple of weeks ago a prefab 
> now 
> used as the hall) to park it in the bathroom or library or kitchen, so he 
> gave me a key to the outside utility closet. I had 

Re: [RBW] 1st world commuting dilemma

[Josh C]

That Ogre is ready to go, nice! I wouldn't consider commuting on the Hunq 
either but I do ride it like anything else. 

On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 2:10:16 PM UTC-5 Hoch in ut wrote:

> [image: IMG_3203.jpeg]I get more compliments on my Ogre than my Riv’s as 
> well! I’ve got one like your Hunq but in green. I’d never take that 
> commuting. Not so much for it getting stolen but folks not being gentle 
> when they lock up their bikes. And honestly, getting it stolen. 
> They salt the roads here as well. I’d never take my Riv’s after a storm. 
>
> I recently bought a fairly nice Trek FX for my daughter. Low-mid level 
> Shimano components. Everything works well. Has fender and rack mounts. All 
> for $50! It’s a nice riding bike. And probably something I’d consider if I 
> needed a cheap, nice-riding commuter. Especially for the salty winter 
> months. 
>
> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 11:09:56 AM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>
>>  Ginz - Thanks for the reply. I feel like riding it and using it for its 
>> intended purpose is probably the right answer. I just feel like it may be a 
>> bit of a target. IDK, it’s mostly us nerds that think Rivss are cool and 
>> not beach cruisers anyway, right… Forgive me if I should know; do you 
>> commute on a Rivendell Ginz? 
>>
>>
>> Hoch - My commute is short as well, and by design. The last time I moved 
>> and got a new job I made sure that my work was in the same zip code as my 
>> residence. I see your point about riding the Ogre, but again, it’s not a 
>> cheap bike to replace either. Also, my job is too all-consuming to worry 
>> about anything else while at work; which can good and bad at times. 
>>
>>
>> Cody - Thanks for adding some real-world experience commuting with that 
>> killer Hillborne. You’re right, people seem to know Surly better (at least 
>> here in the Midwest) I probably get more compliments on the Ogre and my 
>> daughter’s Crosscheck than I do my Rivs. Thanks for adding the pic of your 
>> bikes…notes the saddle lock…is that wrapped in an old tube? 
>>
>>
>> Bill - Well put. That’s how I’m viewing it. Again, I put more miles on 
>> the drop bar Atlantis but I ride my commuter WAY more often. Bill, do you 
>> have the luxury of taking your daily driver inside or do you park out in 
>> the wild? I’d love to see a pic too if you've got time. 
>>
>>
>> Josiah - Love that you ride those bikes around and lock ‘em up outside. I 
>> do figure that most people don’t think the Atlantis is cool enough to 
>> steal, not compared to other bikes around. Indy used to get snow regularly, 
>> all winter long, but now we get maybe 1 or 2 good snows and the rest is 
>> just slop. If it’s too nasty I’ll just drive. I don’t have time in the 
>> mornings to show up covered in road sludge. 
>>
>>
>> B - I agree
>>
>>
>> Patrick - Told ya. First world problem indeed. I work in a hospital in 
>> critical care and there just really isn’t anywhere to put it. I do park out 
>> of the way as much as possible but can't take it in. I love that Matthews 
>> and your utilitarian approach to John’s strap-rigged, awkward, package 
>> haul’n 
>>
>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 12:58:48 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> I used to do multi-mode commuting before I retired about 18 years ago - 
>>> ride the bike to the station, take train to the city, walk 4-5 blocks to 
>>> the office.  Never worried much about theft out here in the 'burbs while 
>>> working downtown because it was an old early 70's Fuji that I had re-geared 
>>> and converted for commuting.  It was the ideal bike for that - rode well, 
>>> handled well, and was by no means an eye-catcher.
>>>
>>> BUT, I'd be way more concerned about salt damage during the Winter 
>>> months (used to live in the Indy area myself and, yes, they use it on the 
>>> streets there in abundance) and riding on hazardous icy slick surfaces than 
>>> I would theft.
>>>
>>> BTW, why the classification of your Indy location, or the U.S. for that 
>>> matter, as a 1st World country in particular?  In many ways nowadays it is 
>>> backsliding into 3rd World status.
>>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 11:13:15 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Speaking of parking indoors: our priest got tired of me taking the bike 
 into the church (well, it was until a couple of weeks ago a prefab now 
 used 
 as the hall) to park it in the bathroom or library or kitchen, so he gave 
 me a key to the outside utility closet. I had seniority rights as I'd been 
 parking inside since about 1995 and he only arrived in about 2010.

 I think he gave me the key after I wheeled my Ken Rogers into the 
 library at the start of a parish council meeting 

 On Thu, Dec 7, 2023 at 10:05 AM Patrick Moore  
 wrote:

> First world problem indeed! But I felt it back when I commuted to an 
> office.
>
> First, is there any way you could cajole, plead, whine, insist that 
> your employer let 

Re: [RBW] 1st world commuting dilemma

[Josh C]

Jay - I didn’t call the Surly a beater, just my commuter. I know it's a 
nice bike. It’s very utilitarian and bombproof, I just like riding the Rivs 
more is all. I like the idea of using the Surly in the salty months. I 
thought about that too. I’ve not needed studded tires over the last few 
years. I’m fine riding on the snow and then it seems to mostly melt off in 
a few days. Some patchy ice but I've dodged much of it successfully thus 
far. I guess it's one of the positives of global warming…doesn’t snow much 
here anymore. 



Patrick - I love the idea of you popping in pushing your bike…one freehub 
paw click at a time 



George - Those are good points and there's a lot to be said about just 
riding a cheap but pleasant commuter to work. It makes sense to do, I’m 
just leaning toward not doing the sensible thing. I also didn’t say Indy 
was 1st world, sometimes I hear more gunshots here than I did on my two 
tours in Iraq, I do think that posing the question of “which $3k bike 
should I ride to work” does fit the bill as a “complaint or fairly minor 
problem associated with a relatively high standard of living”, aka 1st 
world prob. Maybe I should move to Denmark…



I saw Kai’s mustard Clem H in Leah’s bike makeover thread and it got me 
questioning why I had these killer bikes sitting in the garage while the 
Surly gets all the work. Then that Cheviot in the Craigslist thread, oh and 
don’t get me started on Pam’s mixte. I like the Surly, don’t get me wrong, 
but it’s no Atlantis. I love seeing people’s well-used Rivendell bikes. 

On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 1:09:56 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:

>  Ginz - Thanks for the reply. I feel like riding it and using it for its 
> intended purpose is probably the right answer. I just feel like it may be a 
> bit of a target. IDK, it’s mostly us nerds that think Rivss are cool and 
> not beach cruisers anyway, right… Forgive me if I should know; do you 
> commute on a Rivendell Ginz? 
>
>
> Hoch - My commute is short as well, and by design. The last time I moved 
> and got a new job I made sure that my work was in the same zip code as my 
> residence. I see your point about riding the Ogre, but again, it’s not a 
> cheap bike to replace either. Also, my job is too all-consuming to worry 
> about anything else while at work; which can good and bad at times. 
>
>
> Cody - Thanks for adding some real-world experience commuting with that 
> killer Hillborne. You’re right, people seem to know Surly better (at least 
> here in the Midwest) I probably get more compliments on the Ogre and my 
> daughter’s Crosscheck than I do my Rivs. Thanks for adding the pic of your 
> bikes…notes the saddle lock…is that wrapped in an old tube? 
>
>
> Bill - Well put. That’s how I’m viewing it. Again, I put more miles on the 
> drop bar Atlantis but I ride my commuter WAY more often. Bill, do you have 
> the luxury of taking your daily driver inside or do you park out in the 
> wild? I’d love to see a pic too if you've got time. 
>
>
> Josiah - Love that you ride those bikes around and lock ‘em up outside. I 
> do figure that most people don’t think the Atlantis is cool enough to 
> steal, not compared to other bikes around. Indy used to get snow regularly, 
> all winter long, but now we get maybe 1 or 2 good snows and the rest is 
> just slop. If it’s too nasty I’ll just drive. I don’t have time in the 
> mornings to show up covered in road sludge. 
>
>
> B - I agree
>
>
> Patrick - Told ya. First world problem indeed. I work in a hospital in 
> critical care and there just really isn’t anywhere to put it. I do park out 
> of the way as much as possible but can't take it in. I love that Matthews 
> and your utilitarian approach to John’s strap-rigged, awkward, package 
> haul’n 
>
> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 12:58:48 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>
>> I used to do multi-mode commuting before I retired about 18 years ago - 
>> ride the bike to the station, take train to the city, walk 4-5 blocks to 
>> the office.  Never worried much about theft out here in the 'burbs while 
>> working downtown because it was an old early 70's Fuji that I had re-geared 
>> and converted for commuting.  It was the ideal bike for that - rode well, 
>> handled well, and was by no means an eye-catcher.
>>
>> BUT, I'd be way more concerned about salt damage during the Winter months 
>> (used to live in the Indy area myself and, yes, they use it on the streets 
>> there in abundance) and riding on hazardous icy slick surfaces than I would 
>> theft.
>>
>> BTW, why the classification of your Indy location, or the U.S. for that 
>> matter, as a 1st World country in particular?  In many ways nowadays it is 
>> backsliding into 3rd World status.
>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 11:13:15 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Speaking of parking indoors: our priest got tired of me taking the bike 
>>> into the church (well, it was until a couple of weeks ago a prefab now used 
>>> as the hall) 

Re: [RBW] 1st world commuting dilemma

[Josh C]

 Ginz - Thanks for the reply. I feel like riding it and using it for its 
intended purpose is probably the right answer. I just feel like it may be a 
bit of a target. IDK, it’s mostly us nerds that think Rivss are cool and 
not beach cruisers anyway, right… Forgive me if I should know; do you 
commute on a Rivendell Ginz? 


Hoch - My commute is short as well, and by design. The last time I moved 
and got a new job I made sure that my work was in the same zip code as my 
residence. I see your point about riding the Ogre, but again, it’s not a 
cheap bike to replace either. Also, my job is too all-consuming to worry 
about anything else while at work; which can good and bad at times. 


Cody - Thanks for adding some real-world experience commuting with that 
killer Hillborne. You’re right, people seem to know Surly better (at least 
here in the Midwest) I probably get more compliments on the Ogre and my 
daughter’s Crosscheck than I do my Rivs. Thanks for adding the pic of your 
bikes…notes the saddle lock…is that wrapped in an old tube? 


Bill - Well put. That’s how I’m viewing it. Again, I put more miles on the 
drop bar Atlantis but I ride my commuter WAY more often. Bill, do you have 
the luxury of taking your daily driver inside or do you park out in the 
wild? I’d love to see a pic too if you've got time. 


Josiah - Love that you ride those bikes around and lock ‘em up outside. I 
do figure that most people don’t think the Atlantis is cool enough to 
steal, not compared to other bikes around. Indy used to get snow regularly, 
all winter long, but now we get maybe 1 or 2 good snows and the rest is 
just slop. If it’s too nasty I’ll just drive. I don’t have time in the 
mornings to show up covered in road sludge. 


B - I agree


Patrick - Told ya. First world problem indeed. I work in a hospital in 
critical care and there just really isn’t anywhere to put it. I do park out 
of the way as much as possible but can't take it in. I love that Matthews 
and your utilitarian approach to John’s strap-rigged, awkward, package 
haul’n 

On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 12:58:48 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:

> I used to do multi-mode commuting before I retired about 18 years ago - 
> ride the bike to the station, take train to the city, walk 4-5 blocks to 
> the office.  Never worried much about theft out here in the 'burbs while 
> working downtown because it was an old early 70's Fuji that I had re-geared 
> and converted for commuting.  It was the ideal bike for that - rode well, 
> handled well, and was by no means an eye-catcher.
>
> BUT, I'd be way more concerned about salt damage during the Winter months 
> (used to live in the Indy area myself and, yes, they use it on the streets 
> there in abundance) and riding on hazardous icy slick surfaces than I would 
> theft.
>
> BTW, why the classification of your Indy location, or the U.S. for that 
> matter, as a 1st World country in particular?  In many ways nowadays it is 
> backsliding into 3rd World status.
> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 11:13:15 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Speaking of parking indoors: our priest got tired of me taking the bike 
>> into the church (well, it was until a couple of weeks ago a prefab now used 
>> as the hall) to park it in the bathroom or library or kitchen, so he gave 
>> me a key to the outside utility closet. I had seniority rights as I'd been 
>> parking inside since about 1995 and he only arrived in about 2010.
>>
>> I think he gave me the key after I wheeled my Ken Rogers into the library 
>> at the start of a parish council meeting 
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 7, 2023 at 10:05 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> First world problem indeed! But I felt it back when I commuted to an 
>>> office.
>>>
>>> First, is there any way you could cajole, plead, whine, insist that your 
>>> employer let you park your bike inside? Do you have an office? I was always 
>>> able to park the bike in my office (once I had a second office as a garage) 
>>> and that solved many problems -- one huge advantage of always working for 
>>> smaller organizations.
>>>
>>> Or what about locking the bike in a parking garage, out of the way of at 
>>> least many casual thieves and vandals?
>>>
>>> But lastly: If I had had to park outside in the a place with "average" 
>>> risk of theft, I'd have done 1 of 2 things: 1. get a beater that rides like 
>>> my "good" bikes and build it for performance but make it look as ugly and 
>>> cheap as I could; or: 2. uglify and simplify (strip as far as practical) 
>>> one of my good bikes. and in each case, load it up with locks. I always 
>>> commuted on fixed gears so that was already a big step in diminishing 
>>> apparent resale value.
>>>
>>> But even more lastly: if there were no alternative and I had to risk 
>>> theft of a $2.5K Clem or ride a bike that didn't feel as good -- I dunno, 
>>> I'd be hard pressed to decide what to do.
>>>
>>> I've attached a (yes, another already) photo of my principal 

Re: [RBW] 1st world commuting dilemma

[George Schick]

I used to do multi-mode commuting before I retired about 18 years ago - 
ride the bike to the station, take train to the city, walk 4-5 blocks to 
the office.  Never worried much about theft out here in the 'burbs while 
working downtown because it was an old early 70's Fuji that I had re-geared 
and converted for commuting.  It was the ideal bike for that - rode well, 
handled well, and was by no means an eye-catcher.

BUT, I'd be way more concerned about salt damage during the Winter months 
(used to live in the Indy area myself and, yes, they use it on the streets 
there in abundance) and riding on hazardous icy slick surfaces than I would 
theft.

BTW, why the classification of your Indy location, or the U.S. for that 
matter, as a 1st World country in particular?  In many ways nowadays it is 
backsliding into 3rd World status.
On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 11:13:15 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Speaking of parking indoors: our priest got tired of me taking the bike 
> into the church (well, it was until a couple of weeks ago a prefab now used 
> as the hall) to park it in the bathroom or library or kitchen, so he gave 
> me a key to the outside utility closet. I had seniority rights as I'd been 
> parking inside since about 1995 and he only arrived in about 2010.
>
> I think he gave me the key after I wheeled my Ken Rogers into the library 
> at the start of a parish council meeting 
>
> On Thu, Dec 7, 2023 at 10:05 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> First world problem indeed! But I felt it back when I commuted to an 
>> office.
>>
>> First, is there any way you could cajole, plead, whine, insist that your 
>> employer let you park your bike inside? Do you have an office? I was always 
>> able to park the bike in my office (once I had a second office as a garage) 
>> and that solved many problems -- one huge advantage of always working for 
>> smaller organizations.
>>
>> Or what about locking the bike in a parking garage, out of the way of at 
>> least many casual thieves and vandals?
>>
>> But lastly: If I had had to park outside in the a place with "average" 
>> risk of theft, I'd have done 1 of 2 things: 1. get a beater that rides like 
>> my "good" bikes and build it for performance but make it look as ugly and 
>> cheap as I could; or: 2. uglify and simplify (strip as far as practical) 
>> one of my good bikes. and in each case, load it up with locks. I always 
>> commuted on fixed gears so that was already a big step in diminishing 
>> apparent resale value.
>>
>> But even more lastly: if there were no alternative and I had to risk 
>> theft of a $2.5K Clem or ride a bike that didn't feel as good -- I dunno, 
>> I'd be hard pressed to decide what to do.
>>
>> I've attached a (yes, another already) photo of my principal errand bike 
>> (I no longer commute to work) but I do errands and ride to church and other 
>> places on all of my bikes. New: hot-rodded ASC hub!!!
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 7, 2023 at 7:49 AM Josh C  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all. I find myself trying to make a decision regarding which bike 
>>> to use as my commuter. 
>>>
>>> Background: I live in Indianapolis and ride my bike for a good chunk of 
>>> my daily needs. I have a short commute to work which is done on bike 90% of 
>>> the time. I usually work from 5:20-ish am to about 6:30 pm 3-4 days a week. 
>>> The only days I don't ride in are if it's pouring rain when I get up, or 
>>> the snow is too deep to get through. I could ride in the rain, and don't 
>>> mind it on the way home, but already get up at 4:30 am and simply don't 
>>> have time to change or mess with it on work days. I'm commuting on a 
>>> Rohloff-equipped Surly Ogre currently and have put less than 1K miles on my 
>>> car this year. We live near downtown and are a short ride to many things 
>>> that we like to do. We often ride to ball games, art exhibits, concerts, 
>>> dinners, drinks...you name it.  
>>>
>>> Dilemma: Now I warned you that this is a 1st world problem, but here 
>>> goes. I have several Riv's and they are my favorite bikes to ride but I 
>>> find myself on the Ogre more often than any other bike. I may accumulate 
>>> more miles on my Rivs, as I ride a Toyo Atlantis as my all-road bike, but I 
>>> do way more trips on the Surly. For some reason, I simply feel more 
>>> comfortable locking up the Surly for 13 hours or outside of a music venue 
>>> downtown than I do a Rivendell. In my mind, the Riv seems like more of a 
>>> target for would-be thieves than the Surly and thus it gets most of the 
>>> day-to-day duty. The thing is that I enjoy riding a Rivendell much more 
>>> than the Surly and, after giving this some thought, had decided to buy a 
>>> Clem when this latest batch of completes was released, and start using it 
>>> for my daily driver. 
>>>
>>> However, after doing some math in my head, and realizing that I'd likely 
>>> change a lot of the Clem complete build, I am thinking that I'd might as 
>>> well 

Re: [RBW] 1st world commuting dilemma

[Jay Lonner]

We should all be so lucky as to have “beaters” as nice as that Surly! With a Rohloff and disc brakes that sounds like a perfect winter commuter. My first winter in Wisconsin the road salt trashed the drivetrain on my XO-1. Maybe that’s not an issue in Indianapolis, but I’d be hesitant to subject one of your “nice” bikes to such abuse. I’d be tempted to set up the Surly with studded tires for when it’s really gnarly out, and ride one of the Rivs when the roads are clear and/or the weather is clement. Jay LonnerBellingham, WASent from my Atari 400On Dec 7, 2023, at 8:38 AM, Josiah Anderson  wrote:I commute to a college campus in a city with a notorious bike theft problem on my Gus Boots-Willsen and my Crust Lightning Bolt, so I would say go for it with the Atlantis. I always lock up in high-traffic areas, use two locks if leaving it overnight, and ideally lock near more mainstream "nice" bikes that would be more attractive to thieves. I figure that to most eyes my Crust looks like a bike boom 10 speed and my Gus looks like a beach cruiser, and if there's a Specialized mtb next to it that's the more likely target. The only time I really feel the need to use my "beater" bike (currently a Bianchi Volpe) is in the winter when the roads are salty. I don't know what Indianapolis winters are like, but if the roads are salty and gross, I would hesitate to ride a Riv. It just ruins bikes so fast if you don't get around to cleaning and re-lubing regularly, which is often the case for me with about 80 hours a week of school and work.Good luck with your decision!Josiah Missoula MTLe jeu. 7 déc. 2023 à 7:49 AM, Josh C  a écrit :Hello all. I find myself trying to make a decision regarding which bike to use as my commuter. Background: I live in Indianapolis and ride my bike for a good chunk of my daily needs. I have a short commute to work which is done on bike 90% of the time. I usually work from 5:20-ish am to about 6:30 pm 3-4 days a week. The only days I don't ride in are if it's pouring rain when I get up, or the snow is too deep to get through. I could ride in the rain, and don't mind it on the way home, but already get up at 4:30 am and simply don't have time to change or mess with it on work days. I'm commuting on a Rohloff-equipped Surly Ogre currently and have put less than 1K miles on my car this year. We live near downtown and are a short ride to many things that we like to do. We often ride to ball games, art exhibits, concerts, dinners, drinks...you name it.  Dilemma: Now I warned you that this is a 1st world problem, but here goes. I have several Riv's and they are my favorite bikes to ride but I find myself on the Ogre more often than any other bike. I may accumulate more miles on my Rivs, as I ride a Toyo Atlantis as my all-road bike, but I do way more trips on the Surly. For some reason, I simply feel more comfortable locking up the Surly for 13 hours or outside of a music venue downtown than I do a Rivendell. In my mind, the Riv seems like more of a target for would-be thieves than the Surly and thus it gets most of the day-to-day duty. The thing is that I enjoy riding a Rivendell much more than the Surly and, after giving this some thought, had decided to buy a Clem when this latest batch of completes was released, and start using it for my daily driver. However, after doing some math in my head, and realizing that I'd likely change a lot of the Clem complete build, I am thinking that I'd might as well ride one of the Rivs that I currently own. By the time I get the Clem to my door, I've spent $2500 with shipping and tax. I'd change the bars, add a saddle, add fenders, have the front wheel rebuilt with a dyno hub, and so on. I'd easily be into it for $3K or more. My Surly has a $1400 rear hub and is easily over the $3K mark. I am lucky enough to have two Rivendell Atlantis and a Hunq. I've owned several others in the past as well. One of the Atlantis bikes that I have would fit the bill. It's the more recent style with the longer wheelbase & double top tube. These are super sturdy bikes that wouldn't mind being loaded up and taken to work. I've already got a wheelset with a dyno hub and a light lying around here somewhere. I purchased this bike for $3K this summer from a local guy. I didn't need the bike but just couldn't pass it up as it was so cool! I thought to myself: I've locked up more expensive bikes at work for 13 hours or at music venues until the wee hours of the night without issue, so why not just do the bulk of my riding on a bike that I truly enjoy riding? What am I saving it for? Questions: Is my logic sound? Do you think that riding a nice Riv to work, to lock it up outside all, day in a city, is a dumb idea? Do you commute on a Riv that is left outside all day? I'd also like to use this as an opportunity to see some of your commuters. Feel free to post a pic of your daily driver and also, let us know if you lock it up outside or not. The potential commuter. 

Re: [RBW] 1st world commuting dilemma

[Brian Forsee]

Ride the Atlantis! It'll probably be fine and worst case scenario it gets 
stolen and not recovered, and it sounds like that would not be an end of 
the world situation for you.

On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 10:38:57 AM UTC-6 Josiah Anderson wrote:

> I commute to a college campus in a city with a notorious bike theft 
> problem on my Gus Boots-Willsen and my Crust Lightning Bolt, so I would say 
> go for it with the Atlantis. I always lock up in high-traffic areas, use 
> two locks if leaving it overnight, and ideally lock near more mainstream 
> "nice" bikes that would be more attractive to thieves. I figure that to 
> most eyes my Crust looks like a bike boom 10 speed and my Gus looks like a 
> beach cruiser, and if there's a Specialized mtb next to it that's the more 
> likely target. 
>
> The only time I really feel the need to use my "beater" bike (currently a 
> Bianchi Volpe) is in the winter when the roads are salty. I don't know what 
> Indianapolis winters are like, but if the roads are salty and gross, I 
> would hesitate to ride a Riv. It just ruins bikes so fast if you don't get 
> around to cleaning and re-lubing regularly, which is often the case for me 
> with about 80 hours a week of school and work.
>
> Good luck with your decision!
>
> Josiah 
> Missoula MT
>
> Le jeu. 7 déc. 2023 à 7:49 AM, Josh C  a écrit :
>
>> Hello all. I find myself trying to make a decision regarding which bike 
>> to use as my commuter. 
>>
>> Background: I live in Indianapolis and ride my bike for a good chunk of 
>> my daily needs. I have a short commute to work which is done on bike 90% of 
>> the time. I usually work from 5:20-ish am to about 6:30 pm 3-4 days a week. 
>> The only days I don't ride in are if it's pouring rain when I get up, or 
>> the snow is too deep to get through. I could ride in the rain, and don't 
>> mind it on the way home, but already get up at 4:30 am and simply don't 
>> have time to change or mess with it on work days. I'm commuting on a 
>> Rohloff-equipped Surly Ogre currently and have put less than 1K miles on my 
>> car this year. We live near downtown and are a short ride to many things 
>> that we like to do. We often ride to ball games, art exhibits, concerts, 
>> dinners, drinks...you name it.  
>>
>> Dilemma: Now I warned you that this is a 1st world problem, but here 
>> goes. I have several Riv's and they are my favorite bikes to ride but I 
>> find myself on the Ogre more often than any other bike. I may accumulate 
>> more miles on my Rivs, as I ride a Toyo Atlantis as my all-road bike, but I 
>> do way more trips on the Surly. For some reason, I simply feel more 
>> comfortable locking up the Surly for 13 hours or outside of a music venue 
>> downtown than I do a Rivendell. In my mind, the Riv seems like more of a 
>> target for would-be thieves than the Surly and thus it gets most of the 
>> day-to-day duty. The thing is that I enjoy riding a Rivendell much more 
>> than the Surly and, after giving this some thought, had decided to buy a 
>> Clem when this latest batch of completes was released, and start using it 
>> for my daily driver. 
>>
>> However, after doing some math in my head, and realizing that I'd likely 
>> change a lot of the Clem complete build, I am thinking that I'd might as 
>> well ride one of the Rivs that I currently own. By the time I get the Clem 
>> to my door, I've spent $2500 with shipping and tax. I'd change the bars, 
>> add a saddle, add fenders, have the front wheel rebuilt with a dyno hub, 
>> and so on. I'd easily be into it for $3K or more. My Surly has a $1400 rear 
>> hub and is easily over the $3K mark. 
>>
>> I am lucky enough to have two Rivendell Atlantis and a Hunq. I've owned 
>> several others in the past as well. One of the Atlantis bikes that I have 
>> would fit the bill. It's the more recent style with the longer wheelbase & 
>> double top tube. These are super sturdy bikes that wouldn't mind being 
>> loaded up and taken to work. I've already got a wheelset with a dyno hub 
>> and a light lying around here somewhere. I purchased this bike for $3K this 
>> summer from a local guy. I didn't need the bike but just couldn't pass it 
>> up as it was so cool! 
>>
>> I thought to myself: I've locked up more expensive bikes at work for 13 
>> hours or at music venues until the wee hours of the night without issue, so 
>> why not just do the bulk of my riding on a bike that I truly enjoy riding? 
>> What am I saving it for? 
>>
>> Questions: Is my logic sound? Do you think that riding a nice Riv to 
>> work, to lock it up outside all, day in a city, is a dumb idea? Do you 
>> commute on a Riv that is left outside all day? 
>>
>> *I'd also like to use this as an opportunity to see some of your 
>> commuters. Feel free to post a pic of your daily driver and also, let us 
>> know if you lock it up outside or not. *
>>
>> The potential commuter. (I'd change the fenders and bars)
>> [image: IMG_0630 Medium.jpeg]
>>
>> My current 

Re: [RBW] 1st world commuting dilemma

[Bill Schaefer]

I'm always of the opinion to ride the bike you like the most, as often as 
possible. I bought a new bike years ago (my first real bike purchase) and I 
told my friend that I was still going to use my old crappy bike to commute 
to work with so I didn't have to worry about theft, and he told me that he 
would kick my ass if I did that. He was obviously joking, but his point was 
made and I never looked back. I've been commuting on my Atlantis 
exclusively since I got it earlier this year and that's my dream bike. It's 
just more fun to ride and makes the commute better.

On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 10:36:42 AM UTC-5 codyt...@gmail.com wrote:

> I live in Chicago and I have a Hillborne that I commute on, though my 
> office is in Evanston and bike theft around there is probably very low. But 
> I also lock it up around the city and don't worry about it. I've been 
> riding in Chicago for 15 years or so, and I've had three bikes stolen, but 
> all were taken from my garage. I've had parts stolen off of bikes, but it's 
> always been either at train stops or somewhere where there's not much foot 
> traffic. Now I don't hesitate to take any of my bikes anywhere, even 
> locking them up for a while at night, so long as everything's locked 
> properly and out in the open. I also have a pretty heavy-duty lock.
>
> I have to say, I'm not convinced that a thief would be more likely to 
> steal a Rivendell than a Surly. There are so many Surlys out there (I've 
> got one myself), it seems like they'd be easier to offload under the radar. 
> Bikes with extra tubes and such are just weird-looking to the average 
> person and unique enough that they're more likely to be noticed by the 
> original owner. Thieving is not my profession, but if I'm looking at a rack 
> with both your Surly and your Hunq on it, I'm going for the Surly.
>
> Here's a not-so-great photo of my commuter (along with my son's bike, he 
> got the gray one to match mine). A few years yet before he's ready for a 
> Riv.
>
> Cody, Chicago
>
> [image: 20230422_152200_102206.jpeg]
>
> On Thu, Dec 7, 2023 at 8:49 AM Josh C  wrote:
>
>> Hello all. I find myself trying to make a decision regarding which bike 
>> to use as my commuter. 
>>
>> Background: I live in Indianapolis and ride my bike for a good chunk of 
>> my daily needs. I have a short commute to work which is done on bike 90% of 
>> the time. I usually work from 5:20-ish am to about 6:30 pm 3-4 days a week. 
>> The only days I don't ride in are if it's pouring rain when I get up, or 
>> the snow is too deep to get through. I could ride in the rain, and don't 
>> mind it on the way home, but already get up at 4:30 am and simply don't 
>> have time to change or mess with it on work days. I'm commuting on a 
>> Rohloff-equipped Surly Ogre currently and have put less than 1K miles on my 
>> car this year. We live near downtown and are a short ride to many things 
>> that we like to do. We often ride to ball games, art exhibits, concerts, 
>> dinners, drinks...you name it.  
>>
>> Dilemma: Now I warned you that this is a 1st world problem, but here 
>> goes. I have several Riv's and they are my favorite bikes to ride but I 
>> find myself on the Ogre more often than any other bike. I may accumulate 
>> more miles on my Rivs, as I ride a Toyo Atlantis as my all-road bike, but I 
>> do way more trips on the Surly. For some reason, I simply feel more 
>> comfortable locking up the Surly for 13 hours or outside of a music venue 
>> downtown than I do a Rivendell. In my mind, the Riv seems like more of a 
>> target for would-be thieves than the Surly and thus it gets most of the 
>> day-to-day duty. The thing is that I enjoy riding a Rivendell much more 
>> than the Surly and, after giving this some thought, had decided to buy a 
>> Clem when this latest batch of completes was released, and start using it 
>> for my daily driver. 
>>
>> However, after doing some math in my head, and realizing that I'd likely 
>> change a lot of the Clem complete build, I am thinking that I'd might as 
>> well ride one of the Rivs that I currently own. By the time I get the Clem 
>> to my door, I've spent $2500 with shipping and tax. I'd change the bars, 
>> add a saddle, add fenders, have the front wheel rebuilt with a dyno hub, 
>> and so on. I'd easily be into it for $3K or more. My Surly has a $1400 rear 
>> hub and is easily over the $3K mark. 
>>
>> I am lucky enough to have two Rivendell Atlantis and a Hunq. I've owned 
>> several others in the past as well. One of the Atlantis bikes that I have 
>> would fit the bill. It's the more recent style with the longer wheelbase & 
>> double top tube. These are super sturdy bikes that wouldn't mind being 
>> loaded up and taken to work. I've already got a wheelset with a dyno hub 
>> and a light lying around here somewhere. I purchased this bike for $3K this 
>> summer from a local guy. I didn't need the bike but just couldn't pass it 
>> up as it was so cool! 
>>