Re: [RBW] 650b Gravel Bikes?

2023-07-03 Thread Will Boericke 
I have a long chainstay gravel bike (built on a Schwinn passage) and a more 
modern frame with discs.  Long chainstays obviously make chunky terrain and 
descents much more tolerable and controlled.  Depending on the style of 
riding, though, they make getting your front wheel up and over obstacles 
(common here in New England) difficult.  For that riding, I much prefer to 
have my rear wheel right under me.

Will

On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 12:18:13 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:

> Great responses to this post!  Thanks all.  I would have several things to 
> say about this "gravel bike" business:  first of all, I agree that it's a 
> concept that reminds me of the very early days of mountain biking (what was 
> originally called "mountain surfing," IIRC) where someone got ahold of an 
> old Schwinn cantilever-framed "clunker," refitted it with gears and rim 
> brakes, and went out to ride it.  Things evolved from there into very 
> specifically designed and outfitted bikes with shock suspensions, 
> linear-pull brakes, etc.  I remember wa-a-a-ay back when I was a little kid 
> in the mid-50's my dad had gotten ahold of an old 24" (wheel size) 
> cantilever-balloon-tire-equipped Schwinn, repainted it, and gave it to me 
> for my birthday.  It was the first bike I learned to ride and I rode it 
> everywhere.  We lived in the country back then where there were nothing but 
> gravel roads and I would ride it several miles to a gas station to buy 
> candy, down the road a piece to play around in a creek, and just about 
> every place else.  'Course, I was much lighter back then, but still to me 
> it was the original "gravel bike."
>
> Having reviewed the responders' personal experiences and recommendations 
> I'd be inclined toward either a Riv Atlantis or a Waterford Adventure cycle 
> - either of which could be set up with wide 650B tires.  The Atlantis has 
> the advantage of longer chain and seat stays allowing for both wide tires 
> and fenders; the Adventure cycle not so much (although using 650B tires on 
> it could open up the rear stays area enough to allow fender mounting).  
> Thanks again!
>
> On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 9:02:50 PM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> I looked to 650B as a solution to my particular fit issues for an all 
>> road bike the other year. Grant was very frame size dependent in his 
>> support of 650B and felt that above a certain size (several below mine) the 
>> utility of the wheel size ended its utility. Those considerations are fair 
>> for stock geometry. 
>>
>> The problem for me and my ideal under square (2-3cm) frame dimensioning 
>> is that I get into toe overlap with 700c wheels with fatter tires. I wanted 
>> broader capacity for rougher road riding and load carrying so 650B was my 
>> way to go. I still would rather ride smarter than fasteron unpaved surfaces 
>> and 650Bx42 has provided all the envelope I need without tapping my Walter 
>> Mitty thoughts.
>>
>> I made many purchases and gone down bicycle and equipment rabbit holes 
>> chasing more "performance" only to find out the lease expensive component 
>> of my bike is where the greatest capacity to upgrade resides...me. 
>>
>> I had my 650B bike built and ride it hundreds of miles off pavement, with 
>> fenders, on RH Babyshoe Pass tires set up tubeless on Pacenti Brevet rims, 
>> three years so far without reason to look back or second guess the formula. 
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>> On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 8:03:47 PM UTC-4 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I don’t know about a bike dedicated to 650B in all sizes but some 
>>> smaller Rivs come as a 650B and the Susie is 650B… but what is a gravel 
>>> bike, after all, but a bike ridden on gravel or hard-pack dirt roads? I 
>>> would classify most of the bikes made by Riv as gravel or gravel adjacent. 
>>> They’ve almost all got generous tire clearance. The only thing modern 
>>> gravel bikes have that Rivs lack are expensive electronics and disc brakes, 
>>> really…
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 1, 2023 at 4:47 PM George Schick  wrote:
>>>
 There has been a lot of discussion about "gravel bikes" on this blog 
 lately, but has there been any consideration given to a 650B gravel bike, 
 so to speak?  IOW, are there any bikes set up like a 650B and with 
 available "gravel accommodating" tires available?  Maybe I've missed 
 something in the discussion threads, but I can't recall seeing this.

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Re: [RBW] 650b Gravel Bikes?

2023-07-03 Thread George Schick 
Great responses to this post!  Thanks all.  I would have several things to 
say about this "gravel bike" business:  first of all, I agree that it's a 
concept that reminds me of the very early days of mountain biking (what was 
originally called "mountain surfing," IIRC) where someone got ahold of an 
old Schwinn cantilever-framed "clunker," refitted it with gears and rim 
brakes, and went out to ride it.  Things evolved from there into very 
specifically designed and outfitted bikes with shock suspensions, 
linear-pull brakes, etc.  I remember wa-a-a-ay back when I was a little kid 
in the mid-50's my dad had gotten ahold of an old 24" (wheel size) 
cantilever-balloon-tire-equipped Schwinn, repainted it, and gave it to me 
for my birthday.  It was the first bike I learned to ride and I rode it 
everywhere.  We lived in the country back then where there were nothing but 
gravel roads and I would ride it several miles to a gas station to buy 
candy, down the road a piece to play around in a creek, and just about 
every place else.  'Course, I was much lighter back then, but still to me 
it was the original "gravel bike."

Having reviewed the responders' personal experiences and recommendations 
I'd be inclined toward either a Riv Atlantis or a Waterford Adventure cycle 
- either of which could be set up with wide 650B tires.  The Atlantis has 
the advantage of longer chain and seat stays allowing for both wide tires 
and fenders; the Adventure cycle not so much (although using 650B tires on 
it could open up the rear stays area enough to allow fender mounting).  
Thanks again!

On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 9:02:50 PM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:

> I looked to 650B as a solution to my particular fit issues for an all road 
> bike the other year. Grant was very frame size dependent in his support of 
> 650B and felt that above a certain size (several below mine) the utility of 
> the wheel size ended its utility. Those considerations are fair for stock 
> geometry. 
>
> The problem for me and my ideal under square (2-3cm) frame dimensioning is 
> that I get into toe overlap with 700c wheels with fatter tires. I wanted 
> broader capacity for rougher road riding and load carrying so 650B was my 
> way to go. I still would rather ride smarter than fasteron unpaved surfaces 
> and 650Bx42 has provided all the envelope I need without tapping my Walter 
> Mitty thoughts.
>
> I made many purchases and gone down bicycle and equipment rabbit holes 
> chasing more "performance" only to find out the lease expensive component 
> of my bike is where the greatest capacity to upgrade resides...me. 
>
> I had my 650B bike built and ride it hundreds of miles off pavement, with 
> fenders, on RH Babyshoe Pass tires set up tubeless on Pacenti Brevet rims, 
> three years so far without reason to look back or second guess the formula. 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 8:03:47 PM UTC-4 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I don’t know about a bike dedicated to 650B in all sizes but some smaller 
>> Rivs come as a 650B and the Susie is 650B… but what is a gravel bike, after 
>> all, but a bike ridden on gravel or hard-pack dirt roads? I would classify 
>> most of the bikes made by Riv as gravel or gravel adjacent. They’ve almost 
>> all got generous tire clearance. The only thing modern gravel bikes have 
>> that Rivs lack are expensive electronics and disc brakes, really…
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 1, 2023 at 4:47 PM George Schick  wrote:
>>
>>> There has been a lot of discussion about "gravel bikes" on this blog 
>>> lately, but has there been any consideration given to a 650B gravel bike, 
>>> so to speak?  IOW, are there any bikes set up like a 650B and with 
>>> available "gravel accommodating" tires available?  Maybe I've missed 
>>> something in the discussion threads, but I can't recall seeing this.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] 650b Gravel Bikes?

2023-07-03 Thread Chris L 
Because I prefer really wide tires and no toe overlap, I would prefer 650B 
for my bike.  I looked into having disk tabs added to my Hunqapillar and I 
could buy a different (non-RIV, of course) frameset for what that 
modification would cost, and that's not including paint.  I could have them 
chop off the canti studs and install new ones for 650B, but I would rather 
not do that.  

On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 8:58:10 AM UTC-5 john...@gmail.com wrote:

> My 'gravel bike' is a Rivendell Atlantis with 650B wheels. It is a 2018 
> model I think, which has long chainstays but a shortish top tube
> that allows for drop bars. There was a choice between 650B and 700c in 
> that size in that year. The bike rides really nicely on a variety of 
> unpaved surfaces, and descends fantastically well. I currently run 50mm 
> tyres with fenders, but I have some 57mm G-ones that I might try some time 
> without fenders.
>
> Cheers,
> Johnny in Belgium
>
> On Monday, 3 July 2023 at 04:02:50 UTC+2 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> I looked to 650B as a solution to my particular fit issues for an all 
>> road bike the other year. Grant was very frame size dependent in his 
>> support of 650B and felt that above a certain size (several below mine) the 
>> utility of the wheel size ended its utility. Those considerations are fair 
>> for stock geometry. 
>>
>> The problem for me and my ideal under square (2-3cm) frame dimensioning 
>> is that I get into toe overlap with 700c wheels with fatter tires. I wanted 
>> broader capacity for rougher road riding and load carrying so 650B was my 
>> way to go. I still would rather ride smarter than fasteron unpaved surfaces 
>> and 650Bx42 has provided all the envelope I need without tapping my Walter 
>> Mitty thoughts.
>>
>> I made many purchases and gone down bicycle and equipment rabbit holes 
>> chasing more "performance" only to find out the lease expensive component 
>> of my bike is where the greatest capacity to upgrade resides...me. 
>>
>> I had my 650B bike built and ride it hundreds of miles off pavement, with 
>> fenders, on RH Babyshoe Pass tires set up tubeless on Pacenti Brevet rims, 
>> three years so far without reason to look back or second guess the formula. 
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>> On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 8:03:47 PM UTC-4 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I don’t know about a bike dedicated to 650B in all sizes but some 
>>> smaller Rivs come as a 650B and the Susie is 650B… but what is a gravel 
>>> bike, after all, but a bike ridden on gravel or hard-pack dirt roads? I 
>>> would classify most of the bikes made by Riv as gravel or gravel adjacent. 
>>> They’ve almost all got generous tire clearance. The only thing modern 
>>> gravel bikes have that Rivs lack are expensive electronics and disc brakes, 
>>> really…
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 1, 2023 at 4:47 PM George Schick  wrote:
>>>
 There has been a lot of discussion about "gravel bikes" on this blog 
 lately, but has there been any consideration given to a 650B gravel bike, 
 so to speak?  IOW, are there any bikes set up like a 650B and with 
 available "gravel accommodating" tires available?  Maybe I've missed 
 something in the discussion threads, but I can't recall seeing this.

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Re: [RBW] 650b Gravel Bikes?

2023-07-03 Thread Den John 
My 'gravel bike' is a Rivendell Atlantis with 650B wheels. It is a 2018 
model I think, which has long chainstays but a shortish top tube
that allows for drop bars. There was a choice between 650B and 700c in that 
size in that year. The bike rides really nicely on a variety of unpaved 
surfaces, and descends fantastically well. I currently run 50mm tyres with 
fenders, but I have some 57mm G-ones that I might try some time without 
fenders.

Cheers,
Johnny in Belgium

On Monday, 3 July 2023 at 04:02:50 UTC+2 ascpgh wrote:

> I looked to 650B as a solution to my particular fit issues for an all road 
> bike the other year. Grant was very frame size dependent in his support of 
> 650B and felt that above a certain size (several below mine) the utility of 
> the wheel size ended its utility. Those considerations are fair for stock 
> geometry. 
>
> The problem for me and my ideal under square (2-3cm) frame dimensioning is 
> that I get into toe overlap with 700c wheels with fatter tires. I wanted 
> broader capacity for rougher road riding and load carrying so 650B was my 
> way to go. I still would rather ride smarter than fasteron unpaved surfaces 
> and 650Bx42 has provided all the envelope I need without tapping my Walter 
> Mitty thoughts.
>
> I made many purchases and gone down bicycle and equipment rabbit holes 
> chasing more "performance" only to find out the lease expensive component 
> of my bike is where the greatest capacity to upgrade resides...me. 
>
> I had my 650B bike built and ride it hundreds of miles off pavement, with 
> fenders, on RH Babyshoe Pass tires set up tubeless on Pacenti Brevet rims, 
> three years so far without reason to look back or second guess the formula. 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 8:03:47 PM UTC-4 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I don’t know about a bike dedicated to 650B in all sizes but some smaller 
>> Rivs come as a 650B and the Susie is 650B… but what is a gravel bike, after 
>> all, but a bike ridden on gravel or hard-pack dirt roads? I would classify 
>> most of the bikes made by Riv as gravel or gravel adjacent. They’ve almost 
>> all got generous tire clearance. The only thing modern gravel bikes have 
>> that Rivs lack are expensive electronics and disc brakes, really…
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 1, 2023 at 4:47 PM George Schick  wrote:
>>
>>> There has been a lot of discussion about "gravel bikes" on this blog 
>>> lately, but has there been any consideration given to a 650B gravel bike, 
>>> so to speak?  IOW, are there any bikes set up like a 650B and with 
>>> available "gravel accommodating" tires available?  Maybe I've missed 
>>> something in the discussion threads, but I can't recall seeing this.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] 650b Gravel Bikes?

2023-07-02 Thread ascpgh 
I looked to 650B as a solution to my particular fit issues for an all road 
bike the other year. Grant was very frame size dependent in his support of 
650B and felt that above a certain size (several below mine) the utility of 
the wheel size ended its utility. Those considerations are fair for stock 
geometry. 

The problem for me and my ideal under square (2-3cm) frame dimensioning is 
that I get into toe overlap with 700c wheels with fatter tires. I wanted 
broader capacity for rougher road riding and load carrying so 650B was my 
way to go. I still would rather ride smarter than fasteron unpaved surfaces 
and 650Bx42 has provided all the envelope I need without tapping my Walter 
Mitty thoughts.

I made many purchases and gone down bicycle and equipment rabbit holes 
chasing more "performance" only to find out the lease expensive component 
of my bike is where the greatest capacity to upgrade resides...me. 

I had my 650B bike built and ride it hundreds of miles off pavement, with 
fenders, on RH Babyshoe Pass tires set up tubeless on Pacenti Brevet rims, 
three years so far without reason to look back or second guess the formula. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 8:03:47 PM UTC-4 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:

> I don’t know about a bike dedicated to 650B in all sizes but some smaller 
> Rivs come as a 650B and the Susie is 650B… but what is a gravel bike, after 
> all, but a bike ridden on gravel or hard-pack dirt roads? I would classify 
> most of the bikes made by Riv as gravel or gravel adjacent. They’ve almost 
> all got generous tire clearance. The only thing modern gravel bikes have 
> that Rivs lack are expensive electronics and disc brakes, really…
>
> On Sat, Jul 1, 2023 at 4:47 PM George Schick  wrote:
>
>> There has been a lot of discussion about "gravel bikes" on this blog 
>> lately, but has there been any consideration given to a 650B gravel bike, 
>> so to speak?  IOW, are there any bikes set up like a 650B and with 
>> available "gravel accommodating" tires available?  Maybe I've missed 
>> something in the discussion threads, but I can't recall seeing this.
>>
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Re: [RBW] 650b Gravel Bikes?

2023-07-02 Thread rltilley 
I picked up a Mod Zero as well. Same size and color. Mine will be a complete build from Mike due to time constraints on my end. I’ll be up there for business soon but I’ll be flying up so I won’t be able to pick up my bike in person. I could justify a drive but parking in SF is bad and I’m not sure I’d have time to get up to Point Reyes while I’m there anyways.Robert TilleySan Diego, CASent from my iPhoneOn Jul 2, 2023, at 10:17 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:I picked up a Model Zero (53cm Green).  It just seemed dumb not to.  It'll probably be a few weeks before I drive out to pick it up, but I had the entire build sitting around.  It was a choice between selling a lot more used bike parts or get another special niche bike for the price of a frame.  I've got a habit of choosing the latter.  The main draw, and the reason I've got the build kit laying around, was that with a more contemporary head tube the Model Zero will fit my Lauf Grit fork.  I traded away a Road + frame for a Quickbeam to make room for a Model Zero.  Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CAOn Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 9:06:34 PM UTC-7 Robert Tilley wrote:Black Mountain Cycles new Mod-Zero frame can be set up with 650B. Tires max out at 2.25” with that wheel size. A A29er setup would max out at 2”. Mod Zeroblackmtncycles.comRobert TilleySan Diego, CASent from my iPhoneOn Jul 1, 2023, at 1:47 PM, George Schick  wrote:There has been a lot of discussion about "gravel bikes" on this blog lately, but has there been any consideration given to a 650B gravel bike, so to speak?  IOW, are there any bikes set up like a 650B and with available "gravel accommodating" tires available?  Maybe I've missed something in the discussion threads, but I can't recall seeing this.



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Re: [RBW] 650b Gravel Bikes?

2023-07-02 Thread Bill Lindsay 
I picked up a Model Zero (53cm Green).  It just seemed dumb not to.  It'll 
probably be a few weeks before I drive out to pick it up, but I had the 
entire build sitting around.  It was a choice between selling a lot more 
used bike parts or get another special niche bike for the price of a 
frame.  I've got a habit of choosing the latter.  The main draw, and the 
reason I've got the build kit laying around, was that with a more 
contemporary head tube the Model Zero will fit my Lauf Grit fork.  I traded 
away a Road + frame for a Quickbeam to make room for a Model Zero.  

Bill Lindsay 
El Cerrito, CA

On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 9:06:34 PM UTC-7 Robert Tilley wrote:

> Black Mountain Cycles new Mod-Zero frame can be set up with 650B. Tires 
> max out at 2.25” with that wheel size. A A29er setup would max out at 2”. 
>
> [image: DSC09104.jpg]
>
> Mod Zero 
> blackmtncycles.com 
> 
>
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 1, 2023, at 1:47 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>
> There has been a lot of discussion about "gravel bikes" on this blog 
> lately, but has there been any consideration given to a 650B gravel bike, 
> so to speak?  IOW, are there any bikes set up like a 650B and with 
> available "gravel accommodating" tires available?  Maybe I've missed 
> something in the discussion threads, but I can't recall seeing this.
>
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Re: [RBW] 650b Gravel Bikes?

2023-07-02 Thread Fullylugged 
It's not hard to convert a 700 wheel bike to 650B.  I have 2 of them right 
now and sold one last year. 

On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 7:03:47 PM UTC-5 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:

> I don’t know about a bike dedicated to 650B in all sizes but some smaller 
> Rivs come as a 650B and the Susie is 650B… but what is a gravel bike, after 
> all, but a bike ridden on gravel or hard-pack dirt roads? I would classify 
> most of the bikes made by Riv as gravel or gravel adjacent. They’ve almost 
> all got generous tire clearance. The only thing modern gravel bikes have 
> that Rivs lack are expensive electronics and disc brakes, really…
>
> On Sat, Jul 1, 2023 at 4:47 PM George Schick  wrote:
>
>> There has been a lot of discussion about "gravel bikes" on this blog 
>> lately, but has there been any consideration given to a 650B gravel bike, 
>> so to speak?  IOW, are there any bikes set up like a 650B and with 
>> available "gravel accommodating" tires available?  Maybe I've missed 
>> something in the discussion threads, but I can't recall seeing this.
>>
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Re: [RBW] 650b Gravel Bikes?

2023-07-02 Thread Will Boericke 
There are plenty of gravel bikes designed around 650b out there.  For me, 
650b is the option on a bike designed for 700s to go really big.  Two 
wheelsets that I can swap back and forth - 700x42 (admittedly not small) 
and 650x47.

Will

On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 7:36:04 AM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:

> I've not read the gravel bike threads because I don't have a subscription 
> to the NY times that will let me read that article , so I might be missing 
> something.  Like Ted, I've just always interpreted that term to be a 
> marketing effort by the mainstream bike industry (and adjacent industries, 
> like media publishing) to re-quoin and popularize the "all-rounder" or 
> "country bike" or "hybrid" or "monster-cross" or "all-road" concept, or 
> what most of the people on this list simply call a "bicycle."  I think 
> there's an argument that the very first 650b-specific bike in the era of 
> that wheel size's modern resurgence - the Saluki - WAS a gravel bike.  
>
> With disc brake-equipped bikes, couldn't most any gravel-labeled bike with 
> adequate tire clearance and a reasonably high bottom bracket be converted 
> to 650b?  To me, that flexibility has always been the single best argument 
> for disc brakes in the first place.  For mainstream manufacturers, low 
> bottom brackets (that might otherwise make conversion a bad idea) are still 
> rare  because of fear of liability or complaints of riders getting pedal 
> strikes while attempting to pedal through a turn.
>
> On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 10:06:34 PM UTC-6 Robert Tilley wrote:
>
>> Black Mountain Cycles new Mod-Zero frame can be set up with 650B. Tires 
>> max out at 2.25” with that wheel size. A A29er setup would max out at 2”. 
>>
>> [image: DSC09104.jpg]
>>
>> Mod Zero 
>> blackmtncycles.com 
>> 
>>
>>
>> Robert Tilley
>> San Diego, CA
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 1, 2023, at 1:47 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>>
>> There has been a lot of discussion about "gravel bikes" on this blog 
>> lately, but has there been any consideration given to a 650B gravel bike, 
>> so to speak?  IOW, are there any bikes set up like a 650B and with 
>> available "gravel accommodating" tires available?  Maybe I've missed 
>> something in the discussion threads, but I can't recall seeing this.
>>
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Re: [RBW] 650b Gravel Bikes?

2023-07-02 Thread iamkeith 
I've not read the gravel bike threads because I don't have a subscription 
to the NY times that will let me read that article , so I might be missing 
something.  Like Ted, I've just always interpreted that term to be a 
marketing effort by the mainstream bike industry (and adjacent industries, 
like media publishing) to re-quoin and popularize the "all-rounder" or 
"country bike" or "hybrid" or "monster-cross" or "all-road" concept, or 
what most of the people on this list simply call a "bicycle."  I think 
there's an argument that the very first 650b-specific bike in the era of 
that wheel size's modern resurgence - the Saluki - WAS a gravel bike.  

With disc brake-equipped bikes, couldn't most any gravel-labeled bike with 
adequate tire clearance and a reasonably high bottom bracket be converted 
to 650b?  To me, that flexibility has always been the single best argument 
for disc brakes in the first place.  For mainstream manufacturers, low 
bottom brackets (that might otherwise make conversion a bad idea) are still 
rare  because of fear of liability or complaints of riders getting pedal 
strikes while attempting to pedal through a turn.

On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 10:06:34 PM UTC-6 Robert Tilley wrote:

> Black Mountain Cycles new Mod-Zero frame can be set up with 650B. Tires 
> max out at 2.25” with that wheel size. A A29er setup would max out at 2”. 
>
> [image: DSC09104.jpg]
>
> Mod Zero 
> blackmtncycles.com 
> 
>
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 1, 2023, at 1:47 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>
> There has been a lot of discussion about "gravel bikes" on this blog 
> lately, but has there been any consideration given to a 650B gravel bike, 
> so to speak?  IOW, are there any bikes set up like a 650B and with 
> available "gravel accommodating" tires available?  Maybe I've missed 
> something in the discussion threads, but I can't recall seeing this.
>
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Re: [RBW] 650b Gravel Bikes?

2023-07-01 Thread Richard Rose 
Brian, I do not recall your size but I think we ride the same size Gus - large? FYI, I am equally comfortable on my large Gus with 29” x 2.6” tires as I am on my size 52 Clem L with 27.5” x 2.25”. I enjoy both wheel sizes. I think the Clem is a superb gravel bike though not necessarily a fast one.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jul 1, 2023, at 8:48 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:Crust bikes comes to mind. I have their 650b “gravel” bike… the Bombora. They have several others. Surly does. Kona does.I actually prefer 650b as a wheel size, and there was a time when Rivendell was pushing that size hard and designing frames around it. Now, I’m sized out of Rivendell’s 650b offerings. Most Riv frames my size are now the cutoff for 700c, and honestly it kind of bums me out. On Jul 1, 2023, at 8:03 PM, Ted W  wrote:I don’t know about a bike dedicated to 650B in all sizes but some smaller Rivs come as a 650B and the Susie is 650B… but what is a gravel bike, after all, but a bike ridden on gravel or hard-pack dirt roads? I would classify most of the bikes made by Riv as gravel or gravel adjacent. They’ve almost all got generous tire clearance. The only thing modern gravel bikes have that Rivs lack are expensive electronics and disc brakes, really…On Sat, Jul 1, 2023 at 4:47 PM George Schick  wrote:There has been a lot of discussion about "gravel bikes" on this blog lately, but has there been any consideration given to a 650B gravel bike, so to speak?  IOW, are there any bikes set up like a 650B and with available "gravel accommodating" tires available?  Maybe I've missed something in the discussion threads, but I can't recall seeing this.



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Re: [RBW] 650b Gravel Bikes?

2023-07-01 Thread Brian Turner 
Crust bikes comes to mind. I have their 650b “gravel” bike… the Bombora. They have several others. Surly does. Kona does.I actually prefer 650b as a wheel size, and there was a time when Rivendell was pushing that size hard and designing frames around it. Now, I’m sized out of Rivendell’s 650b offerings. Most Riv frames my size are now the cutoff for 700c, and honestly it kind of bums me out. On Jul 1, 2023, at 8:03 PM, Ted W  wrote:I don’t know about a bike dedicated to 650B in all sizes but some smaller Rivs come as a 650B and the Susie is 650B… but what is a gravel bike, after all, but a bike ridden on gravel or hard-pack dirt roads? I would classify most of the bikes made by Riv as gravel or gravel adjacent. They’ve almost all got generous tire clearance. The only thing modern gravel bikes have that Rivs lack are expensive electronics and disc brakes, really…On Sat, Jul 1, 2023 at 4:47 PM George Schick  wrote:There has been a lot of discussion about "gravel bikes" on this blog lately, but has there been any consideration given to a 650B gravel bike, so to speak?  IOW, are there any bikes set up like a 650B and with available "gravel accommodating" tires available?  Maybe I've missed something in the discussion threads, but I can't recall seeing this.



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Re: [RBW] 650b Gravel Bikes?

2023-07-01 Thread Ted W 
I don’t know about a bike dedicated to 650B in all sizes but some smaller
Rivs come as a 650B and the Susie is 650B… but what is a gravel bike, after
all, but a bike ridden on gravel or hard-pack dirt roads? I would classify
most of the bikes made by Riv as gravel or gravel adjacent. They’ve almost
all got generous tire clearance. The only thing modern gravel bikes have
that Rivs lack are expensive electronics and disc brakes, really…

On Sat, Jul 1, 2023 at 4:47 PM George Schick  wrote:

> There has been a lot of discussion about "gravel bikes" on this blog
> lately, but has there been any consideration given to a 650B gravel bike,
> so to speak?  IOW, are there any bikes set up like a 650B and with
> available "gravel accommodating" tires available?  Maybe I've missed
> something in the discussion threads, but I can't recall seeing this.
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[RBW] 650b Gravel Bikes?

2023-07-01 Thread George Schick 
There has been a lot of discussion about "gravel bikes" on this blog 
lately, but has there been any consideration given to a 650B gravel bike, 
so to speak?  IOW, are there any bikes set up like a 650B and with 
available "gravel accommodating" tires available?  Maybe I've missed 
something in the discussion threads, but I can't recall seeing this.

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