Re: [RBW] Just what is oversized tubing?
Agreed. And we might as well start referring to the traditional diameter tubung as undersized tubing. Shaun Meehan On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 10:04 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: It's been 20+ years since oversized tubing became the usual size of tubing. Almost nobody uses the old sizes of tubing anymore. I move that two decades is enough that we can start just referring to the formerly oversized tubing as tubing or standard-size tubing or whatever term makes it sound like the normal thing, which it is. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Just what is oversized tubing?
Almost 10 years ago, I bought a 1991 Waterford Paramount frame. Besides the sexy pearly metallic red color, the most noticeable thing about the frame was its True Temper OS stickers. OS was for over-sized. I didn't understand at the time why they made such a big deal out of the OS tubes when the tube diameters seemed to match those of my Atlantis. Now nobody puts OS stickers on a bike, or advertises oversized tubes, because it's more or less the standard (to the extent that there is a standard). Many people who still use the oversized term are antiquarians who prefer old technology and use the term somewhat derisively. When discussing this subject, I started using the term undersized to turn the tables on the derision ;) Personally, as a dude who floats between 175-200 lbs, I don't care for the feel of the old skinnier, flexier tubing. I won't say that it's unsafe, exactly, but I do find the flex to be disconcerting at times. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Just what is oversized tubing?
On 02/18/2014 10:13 AM, Shaun Meehan wrote: Agreed. And we might as well start referring to the traditional diameter tubung as undersized tubing. Shaun Meehan On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 10:04 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com mailto:thill@gmail.com wrote: It's been 20+ years since oversized tubing became the usual size of tubing. Almost nobody uses the old sizes of tubing anymore. I move that two decades is enough that we can start just referring to the formerly oversized tubing as tubing or standard-size tubing or whatever term makes it sound like the normal thing, which it is. I have no idea where Jim gets the idea that there's any derision in the term oversize never mind why derision should be directed at traditional diameter tubing. But there's an excellent reason to leave things as they are: if you shift everything down one, then what some are calling over-oversize or Uber-oversize would be come oversize as oversize becomes standard and you and Jim would still sense derision when the term oversize is used and nobody would have any idea whether you were talking about OS or UOS. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Just what is oversized tubing?
As long as we use terms like standard and oversize, there's bound to be confusion and mistaken ideas. With the sheer variety of not only tubing diameters, but also wall thicknesses, butting, cross-section shapes, heat treating options, etc, not to mention a lot of different frame designs, trying to differentiate one bike from another based on tubing diameter seems pretty arbitrary to me. The idea that we can know anything about the performance or feel of a bike based on this one factor is pretty far-fetched. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Just what is oversized tubing?
On 02/18/2014 12:54 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: As long as we use terms like standard and oversize, there's bound to be confusion and mistaken ideas. With the sheer variety of not only tubing diameters, but also wall thicknesses, butting, cross-section shapes, heat treating options, etc, not to mention a lot of different frame designs, trying to differentiate one bike from another based on tubing diameter seems pretty arbitrary to me. The idea that we can know anything about the performance or feel of a bike based on this one factor is pretty far-fetched. Maybe so, but for typical butted steel alloy tubing, wall thickness and tubing diameter will tell you an awful lot about frame stiffness, and if you already know from your prior experience that standard diameter 8/5/8 or 7/4/7 give you the degree of flexibility you want, you can be pretty damned certain that oversize 8/5/8 or 9/6/9 is going to be too stiff. And there's absolutely NOTHING far-fetched about that. After all, you yourself have said in this thread you are already certain that standard diameter tubing (and since you don't specify wall thicness we can assume you mean anything from 9/6/9 on down) is too flexible for you. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Just what is oversized tubing?
I have heard some say that RBW uses oversized tubing on their bikes. But their tubes don't look any bigger to me than other steel bikes. What does this term mean in reference to RBW bikes? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Just what is oversized tubing?
Traditional steel road bikes (ie, through the very early 90s) used a 25.4mm top tube and a 28.6mm down tube. Riv uses a 28.6mm top tube and a 31.8mm down tube (in inches, 1, 1-1/8, and 1-1/4). On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Michael john11.2...@gmail.com wrote: I have heard some say that RBW uses oversized tubing on their bikes. But their tubes don't look any bigger to me than other steel bikes. What does this term mean in reference to RBW bikes? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Just what is oversized tubing?
AASHTA From Sheldon Brown's glossary Larger in diameter than the traditional sizes. This term is commonly used forheadsets and frame tubing. Oversized parts are stiffer, and can be lighter for their weight if the walls are made thin enough. If the walls become too thin, however, they become too easy to damage by denting. Traditional forks used 1 (25.4 mm) diameter steerers. Oversized steerers are 1 1/8 (28.6 mm) or, less commonly, 1 1/4 (31.8 mm). Details on sizes are listed under headsets. Traditional frames used 1 (25.4 mm) top tubes, 1 1/8 (28.6 mm) seat tubesand down tubes, and 1 1/4 (31.8 mm) head tubes. When BMX racing became popular, frames built to these old standards couldn't always hold up to the rigors of BMX competition. Since the wide availability of T.I.G. welding freed designers from the need to use tubes that would fit standard-size lugs, oversized tubing became the norm for BMX frames. This design and technology were later adopted by builders of mountain bikes. In the interest of improved chainwheel/tire clearance, some mountain bikes have oversized bottom brackets, with a shell width of 73 mm, rather than the standard 68 mm. On Feb 17, 2014, at 5:30 PM, Eric Daume ericda...@gmail.com wrote: Traditional steel road bikes (ie, through the very early 90s) used a 25.4mm top tube and a 28.6mm down tube. Riv uses a 28.6mm top tube and a 31.8mm down tube (in inches, 1, 1-1/8, and 1-1/4). On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Michael john11.2...@gmail.com wrote: I have heard some say that RBW uses oversized tubing on their bikes. But their tubes don't look any bigger to me than other steel bikes. What does this term mean in reference to RBW bikes? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Just what is oversized tubing?
It's been 20+ years since oversized tubing became the usual size of tubing. Almost nobody uses the old sizes of tubing anymore. I move that two decades is enough that we can start just referring to the formerly oversized tubing as tubing or standard-size tubing or whatever term makes it sound like the normal thing, which it is. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
