Re: [RBW] Need help choosing rear hub for Soma San Marcos

[Ashwath Akirekadu]

@Belopsky: Agreed!   I there's a lot to know before I can pull off this 
project :)   I'm learning fast though.

I'm getting wheels built by Rich Lesnik (the official wheel builder at Riv).

Already placed an order for Velocity Atlas front with SP dynamo.   



On Wednesday, 23 November 2016 07:32:25 UTC-8, Belopsky wrote:
>
> o..Ashwath looks like you got some reading to do!
>
> Shimano wont work with Campy. I think there are ways to go about it where 
> it does, but basically just don't. I think you need special cables as well 
> for Campy bits?
>
> Rear is 130mm. There are many hubs that support Campy, but they have to be 
> Campy specific.. Are you building your own wheels?
>

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Re: [RBW] Need help choosing rear hub for Soma San Marcos

[Ashwath Akirekadu]

Thanks Tim!

I'm going with VO.  More $$ than I wanted to spend, but other options are a 
bit too complicated for me at current skill level :)


On Tuesday, 22 November 2016 21:00:00 UTC-8, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> Rear axle Over Locknut Diameter (OLD) is 130 mm for the San Marcos. The 
> Tiagra rear hub would fit the frame, but the freehub won't support a 
> Campagnolo cassette.
>
> The Velo Orange Gran Cru rear hub is available in 130 mm OLD and a 
> Campagnolo freehub body, for $160. I'm very happy with mine.
>
> http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/wheelsets-rims-hubs/hubs/grand-cru-4-bearing-hub.html
>
> The freehub pawls were a bit noisy at first; I added a tiny dab of grease 
> to each to quiet them.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 22, 2016, at 7:24 PM, Ashwath Akirekadu  > wrote:
>
> I've ordered Campy Veloce groupset.  Having a hard time finding Campy hub 
> in silver color.  
>
> What is the axle width for this bike?  100mm or 130mm?  
>
> Also, would Tiagra rear hub work with Campy cassette?
>
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Re: [RBW] Need help choosing rear hub for Soma San Marcos

[Brewster Fong]

On Wednesday, November 23, 2016 at 12:45:23 PM UTC-8, Brewster Fong wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 23, 2016 at 12:42:19 PM UTC-8, Brewster Fong wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 23, 2016 at 7:32:25 AM UTC-8, Belopsky wrote:
>>>
>>> o..Ashwath looks like you got some reading to do!
>>>
>>> Shimano wont work with Campy. I think there are ways to go about it 
>>> where it does, but basically just don't. I think you need special cables as 
>>> well for Campy bits?
>>>
>>> Rear is 130mm. There are many hubs that support Campy, but they have to 
>>> be Campy specific.. Are you building your own wheels?
>>>
>>
>> One option is to replace the Campy freehub body with one designed for 
>> Shimano cassettes.  Not sure if it works with a Veloce rear hub, but for 
>> the Record/Chorus/Centaur with the oversized axle, but there are a couple 
>> of options:
>>
>> For standard 17mm axle, you will probably need this one:
>>
>>
>> http://www.totalcycling.com/en/Campagnolo-Freehub-Body-For-Shimano-891011-Speed---R1137139-17mm-alloy-axle/m-19018.aspx
>>
>> For 9mm axle, it might be this one:
>>
>>
>> http://www.totalcycling.com/en/Campagnolo-Freehub-Body-For-Shimano-8910-Speed---R1134955-9mm-Steel-Axle/m-19019.aspx
>>
>> You should verify which one will work with your specific hub if 
>> interested. Good Luck!
>>
>
> Apparently, there's also a Campy freehub body for shimano 
> 8/9/10 cassette for a 12mm axle too:
>
>  
> http://www.totalcycling.com/en/Campagnolo-Freehub-Body-For-Shimano-8-9-10sp-With-12mm-Axle/m-22417.aspx
>
> Just need to figure out what size axle you have! 
>

Actually, the 12mm axle might be the one you need as this description 
includes Mirage rear hub with cartridge bearings:


   - Also known as Fulcrum R5-120, identical part 
   - Fits Campagnolo Bullet, pre-2013 Scirocco, pre-2014 Vento and Khamsin 
   wheels including CX variants, Campagnolo Mirage, Veloce and 2007/8 Centaur 
   hubs, Fulcrum Red Wind and pre-2014 Racing 4, 
   - For use with Fulcrum and Campagnolo wheels that use 12mm axles and 
   sealed cartridge bearings 
   - For use with Shimano and SRAM 8, 9, 10 and 11 speed cassettes 
   - Replaces FH-BU015X, WH-KX9 and R5-020 


Note - Fulcrum and Campagnolo are related. I believe Fulcrum is Taiwan made 
Campy parts. 

link:  
https://www.amazon.com/Fulcrum-Campagnolo-Freehub-Shimano-Cassettes/dp/B00BNZZ678/ref=sr_1_2?s=outdoor-recreation=UTF8=1479934913=1-2=campagnolo+freehub+body+for+shimano

So, the Total Cycling hub at $41 is a great deal, if it fits!  Good Luck!  

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Re: [RBW] Need help choosing rear hub for Soma San Marcos

[Brewster Fong]

On Wednesday, November 23, 2016 at 12:42:19 PM UTC-8, Brewster Fong wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 23, 2016 at 7:32:25 AM UTC-8, Belopsky wrote:
>>
>> o..Ashwath looks like you got some reading to do!
>>
>> Shimano wont work with Campy. I think there are ways to go about it where 
>> it does, but basically just don't. I think you need special cables as well 
>> for Campy bits?
>>
>> Rear is 130mm. There are many hubs that support Campy, but they have to 
>> be Campy specific.. Are you building your own wheels?
>>
>
> One option is to replace the Campy freehub body with one designed for 
> Shimano cassettes.  Not sure if it works with a Veloce rear hub, but for 
> the Record/Chorus/Centaur with the oversized axle, but there are a couple 
> of options:
>
> For standard 17mm axle, you will probably need this one:
>
>
> http://www.totalcycling.com/en/Campagnolo-Freehub-Body-For-Shimano-891011-Speed---R1137139-17mm-alloy-axle/m-19018.aspx
>
> For 9mm axle, it might be this one:
>
>
> http://www.totalcycling.com/en/Campagnolo-Freehub-Body-For-Shimano-8910-Speed---R1134955-9mm-Steel-Axle/m-19019.aspx
>
> You should verify which one will work with your specific hub if 
> interested. Good Luck!
>

Apparently, there's also a Campy freehub body for shimano 
8/9/10 cassette for a 12mm axle too:

 
http://www.totalcycling.com/en/Campagnolo-Freehub-Body-For-Shimano-8-9-10sp-With-12mm-Axle/m-22417.aspx

Just need to figure out what size axle you have! 

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Re: [RBW] Need help choosing rear hub for Soma San Marcos

[Brewster Fong]

On Wednesday, November 23, 2016 at 7:32:25 AM UTC-8, Belopsky wrote:
>
> o..Ashwath looks like you got some reading to do!
>
> Shimano wont work with Campy. I think there are ways to go about it where 
> it does, but basically just don't. I think you need special cables as well 
> for Campy bits?
>
> Rear is 130mm. There are many hubs that support Campy, but they have to be 
> Campy specific.. Are you building your own wheels?
>

One option is to replace the Campy freehub body with one designed for 
Shimano cassettes.  Not sure if it works with a Veloce rear hub, but for 
the Record/Chorus/Centaur with the oversized axle, but there are a couple 
of options:

For standard 17mm axle, you will probably need this one:

http://www.totalcycling.com/en/Campagnolo-Freehub-Body-For-Shimano-891011-Speed---R1137139-17mm-alloy-axle/m-19018.aspx

For 9mm axle, it might be this one:

http://www.totalcycling.com/en/Campagnolo-Freehub-Body-For-Shimano-8910-Speed---R1134955-9mm-Steel-Axle/m-19019.aspx

You should verify which one will work with your specific hub if interested. 
Good Luck!

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Re: [RBW] Need help choosing rear hub for Soma San Marcos

[Steve Palincsar]

On 11/23/2016 12:22 PM, Jim Bronson wrote:

http://www.interlocracing.com/cassettes-freewheels/10-speed-elite-road-conversion-cassette

these are an expensive solution but if you want to use a Shimano hub 
with a Campy drivetrain.


Another solution is the Jtek Shiftmate, way cheaper.  Just use a 
Shimano hub and cassette with your Campy shifter and derailer.


http://www.jtekengineering.com/shiftmate/shiftmate-1/



And I understand Campagnolo Ero 11 will shift a Shimano 9 speed 
drivetrain (i.e., Shimano hub, cassette & derailleurs) perfectly with no 
adapters required.


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Re: [RBW] Need help choosing rear hub for Soma San Marcos

[Jim Bronson]

http://www.interlocracing.com/cassettes-freewheels/10-speed-elite-road-conversion-cassette

these are an expensive solution but if you want to use a Shimano hub with a
Campy drivetrain.

Another solution is the Jtek Shiftmate, way cheaper.  Just use a Shimano
hub and cassette with your Campy shifter and derailer.

http://www.jtekengineering.com/shiftmate/shiftmate-1/

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 10:50 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>
>
> On 11/23/2016 11:45 AM, Justin August wrote:
>
>> In addition to everything noted you used to be able to get cassettes
>> customized with Shimano cogs but using Campy spacers so that you get the
>> right spacing to fit the indexing but with Shimano/SRAM cog and hub
>> compatibility.
>>
>>
> From where, and is something like this still available?
>
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Re: [RBW] Need help choosing rear hub for Soma San Marcos

[Jim Bronson]

Buy a NOS older Campy hub, 9-11 are compatible.  Pre-2006 are especially
good.  Campy made lots of silver ones.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/CAMPAGNOLO-CENTAUR-REAR-HUB-36-HOLES-OS-BEARING-SYSTEM-/272454870554?hash=item3f6f93661a:g:JVIAAOSwcLxYE4CN

geez I sold mine on this group way too cheap, after checking eBay.  Had a
Chorus and a Record hub, pre 2006 silver.  The Chorus had only been ridden
a few miles.

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 7:24 PM, Ashwath Akirekadu 
wrote:

> I've ordered Campy Veloce groupset.  Having a hard time finding Campy hub
> in silver color.
>
> What is the axle width for this bike?  100mm or 130mm?
>
> Also, would Tiagra rear hub work with Campy cassette?
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Re: [RBW] Need help choosing rear hub for Soma San Marcos

[Dan McNamara]

And a 10-speed option: 

http://www.probikekit.com/bicycle-cassettes-sprockets/ambrosio-cassette-shimano-fit-for-campagnolo-10-speed/10768425.html



> On Nov 23, 2016, at 9:04 AM, Igor Belopolsky  
> wrote:
> 
> Here's a quick search http://wheelsmfg.com/products/rear-drivetrain.html
> 
>> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 11:50 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On 11/23/2016 11:45 AM, Justin August wrote:
>>> In addition to everything noted you used to be able to get cassettes 
>>> customized with Shimano cogs but using Campy spacers so that you get the 
>>> right spacing to fit the indexing but with Shimano/SRAM cog and hub 
>>> compatibility.
>>> 
>> 
>> From where, and is something like this still available?
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Re: [RBW] Need help choosing rear hub for Soma San Marcos

[Igor Belopolsky]

Here's a quick search http://wheelsmfg.com/products/rear-drivetrain.html

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 11:50 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>
>
> On 11/23/2016 11:45 AM, Justin August wrote:
>
>> In addition to everything noted you used to be able to get cassettes
>> customized with Shimano cogs but using Campy spacers so that you get the
>> right spacing to fit the indexing but with Shimano/SRAM cog and hub
>> compatibility.
>>
>>
> From where, and is something like this still available?
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Re: [RBW] Need help choosing rear hub for Soma San Marcos

[Steve Palincsar]

On 11/23/2016 11:45 AM, Justin August wrote:

In addition to everything noted you used to be able to get cassettes customized 
with Shimano cogs but using Campy spacers so that you get the right spacing to 
fit the indexing but with Shimano/SRAM cog and hub compatibility.



From where, and is something like this still available?

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Re: [RBW] Need help choosing rear hub for Soma San Marcos

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In addition to everything noted you used to be able to get cassettes customized 
with Shimano cogs but using Campy spacers so that you get the right spacing to 
fit the indexing but with Shimano/SRAM cog and hub compatibility. 

-Justin

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Re: [RBW] Need help choosing rear hub for Soma San Marcos

[Dan McNamara]

The VO hub is a good option. 

The White Industries T11 is another - although more expensive. Ben's Cycles has 
the silver campy version for about $240. 

Ben's also has a Miche hub set with a Campy rear - don't know anything about 
that set but might be worth research. 

You could run a Shimergo setup but you will loose minimum one gear depending 
how you set it up. I have a Campy ergo 10-speed shifting a Shimano 8-speed 
cassette on one bike. It shifts great front and rear. Might be worth research. 

Dan



> On Nov 22, 2016, at 8:59 PM, Tim Gavin  wrote:
> 
> Rear axle Over Locknut Diameter (OLD) is 130 mm for the San Marcos. The 
> Tiagra rear hub would fit the frame, but the freehub won't support a 
> Campagnolo cassette.
> 
> The Velo Orange Gran Cru rear hub is available in 130 mm OLD and a Campagnolo 
> freehub body, for $160. I'm very happy with mine.
> http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/wheelsets-rims-hubs/hubs/grand-cru-4-bearing-hub.html
> 
> The freehub pawls were a bit noisy at first; I added a tiny dab of grease to 
> each to quiet them.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 22, 2016, at 7:24 PM, Ashwath Akirekadu  wrote:
>> 
>> I've ordered Campy Veloce groupset.  Having a hard time finding Campy hub in 
>> silver color.  
>> 
>> What is the axle width for this bike?  100mm or 130mm?  
>> 
>> Also, would Tiagra rear hub work with Campy cassette?
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Need help choosing rear hub for Soma San Marcos

[Belopsky]

o..Ashwath looks like you got some reading to do!

Shimano wont work with Campy. I think there are ways to go about it where 
it does, but basically just don't. I think you need special cables as well 
for Campy bits?

Rear is 130mm. There are many hubs that support Campy, but they have to be 
Campy specific.. Are you building your own wheels?

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Re: [RBW] Need help choosing rear hub for Soma San Marcos

[Tim Gavin]

Rear axle Over Locknut Diameter (OLD) is 130 mm for the San Marcos. The Tiagra 
rear hub would fit the frame, but the freehub won't support a Campagnolo 
cassette.

The Velo Orange Gran Cru rear hub is available in 130 mm OLD and a Campagnolo 
freehub body, for $160. I'm very happy with mine.
http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/wheelsets-rims-hubs/hubs/grand-cru-4-bearing-hub.html

The freehub pawls were a bit noisy at first; I added a tiny dab of grease to 
each to quiet them.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 22, 2016, at 7:24 PM, Ashwath Akirekadu  wrote:
> 
> I've ordered Campy Veloce groupset.  Having a hard time finding Campy hub in 
> silver color.  
> 
> What is the axle width for this bike?  100mm or 130mm?  
> 
> Also, would Tiagra rear hub work with Campy cassette?
> 
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[RBW] Need help choosing rear hub for Soma San Marcos

[Ashwath Akirekadu]

I've ordered Campy Veloce groupset.  Having a hard time finding Campy hub 
in silver color.  

What is the axle width for this bike?  100mm or 130mm?  

Also, would Tiagra rear hub work with Campy cassette?


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