[RBW] Re: Any Rivsters here commute more than 10 miles one-way? Cold weather tips?
Thought the issue with synthetics was not so much trapping sweat but trapping the stank of sweat even after washing? Cashmere - better yet, Vicuna if you can afford it - are both animal fur more comfortable to wear than any synthetic or cotton. Be aware buying cashmere though. Huge Chinese goat farms are contributing to desertification. Mongolia does a much better job with its animal husbandry. On Friday, November 15, 2013 2:09:17 PM UTC-6, Garth wrote: performance is relative to the Each person ... I am one who finds all wool itchy, even the finest of the fine merino. It's animal fur ... lol .. no matter how it's marketed . Some say synthetics cause one to sweat . I think this is perception. I sweat just the same in anything ... it's just wool absorbs it some and synthetics do not. There are pros/cons to this. For me synthetics may feel clammy for awhile, but they dry very very fast. Wools do not feel so clammy, but they take a comparatively much longer time to dry . Apples and oranges. Sweating is sweating . I also find the crew cut wool shirts to be too tight around the neck. This is a personal thing. Synthetics offer a comparatively huge selection of brands and cuts. My favorite being Craft Pro tops. they are a rib knit, with natural stretch. Liberal length ! No lycra rubber , which is one reason so many complain about smell. Lycra to me has zero place in such tops, it's a Cheap way to get stretchy and snugger fitting shirts. Craft does it by nature of the fabric weave. As far as cold riding . I stopped riding in the cold. I really don't enjoy it even below 50. Gotta be honest with myself. It's just no fun for and never was. Summer is divine ,and that's that. Shorts and t's :) s On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 11:26:18 AM UTC-5, Michael wrote: How are synthetic base layers (polyester,etc.)? They can be had for cheap. But I wonder if they perform as well as wool? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Any Rivsters here commute more than 10 miles one-way? Cold weather tips?
Not trapping sweat -- some synthetics are designed to wick it and, AFAIK, may do that better than wool. But wool insulates even when wet and perhaps that is the reason it doesn't feel clammy when you stop. Now stinking is another big problem in addition. I use synthetics only in summer (and not often then) but, even starting out clean as a baby, I am very anxious among other people (say, when running errands) about the stink that will inevitably arise after just an hour or so of sweating. I still wish someone made an all cotton cycling jersey -- I have one but it was made long ago. (Even cotton stinks more than wool, but not nearly as quickly and as bad as the synthetics I know of.) On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Matthew J matthewj...@gmail.com wrote: Thought the issue with synthetics was not so much trapping sweat but trapping the stank of sweat even after washing? -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Any Rivsters here commute more than 10 miles one-way? Cold weather tips?
The synthetic vs natural fiber base layer argument makes the steel vs carbon discussion look polite. It is not an area of compromise. Deacon and I ride the same bike - I wear synthetic and he wears wool. We share the same ancestral homeland and should share the same evolutionary drift - but I itch if I get within 20 feet of the finest wool combed from young sheep on the far side of the mountain. I have worn Patagonia capilene from its inception and been consistently pleased with its performance. Good friends wear the Patagonia wool line - but for us it is a don't ask and don't tell! In addition to the itching I am by vocation and avocation frequently wet - capilene works wonders when it is wet. I have new students try a t-shirt of both fabrics and they quickly go one way or the other. Both products work very well, just choose the one that feels best to you. Either one can keep you warm and comfortable. On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Not trapping sweat -- some synthetics are designed to wick it and, AFAIK, may do that better than wool. But wool insulates even when wet and perhaps that is the reason it doesn't feel clammy when you stop. Now stinking is another big problem in addition. I use synthetics only in summer (and not often then) but, even starting out clean as a baby, I am very anxious among other people (say, when running errands) about the stink that will inevitably arise after just an hour or so of sweating. I still wish someone made an all cotton cycling jersey -- I have one but it was made long ago. (Even cotton stinks more than wool, but not nearly as quickly and as bad as the synthetics I know of.) On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Matthew J matthewj...@gmail.com wrote: Thought the issue with synthetics was not so much trapping sweat but trapping the stank of sweat even after washing? -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Any Rivsters here commute more than 10 miles one-way? Cold weather tips?
For many years I have had a 15 mile (each way) commute, year round, wet or dry, cold or hot. Winter tips: reflectors can be as effective as lights. You can never have too many reflectors on rider and bike. Lights rule. I have a SON dyno hub powering front and rear lights. You can get a $35.00 marine emergency strobe that outperforms any bike specific strobe. I have one facing rearward - a rear white light may not be legal, but it's effective. Cold: Start off cold and you'll warm up soon. My hands and feet are hardest to keep warm. If your pedals permit, sandals work really well because there is plenty of room for layers of wool socks. You can also get waterproof socks at REI. Otherwise, as many layers of wool socks as you can get into your shoe. Heavy non-cycling winter gloves work best for me. And if you're a guy, a square of material tucked into the front your shorts can prevent painful frost bite. For rain I use and old Carradice rain poncho - I'm waiting not-so-patiently for the new Riv rain jacket. Keep the rubber side down! On Monday, November 11, 2013 11:24:33 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote: Just curious. My commute may get longer soon. I had been doing partial commutes of 5.6 miles from a park-n-ride, but would like to work up to the full 16 mile one-way commute one day. A change in my family's work schedule (3 of us with two cars) may necessitate this sometimes. Any Riv-peeps' cold weather tips? Gets down into the 20's here in the winter. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Any Rivsters here commute more than 10 miles one-way? Cold weather tips?
Here in Michigan, I rely on a good base layer (AKA long johns) under my regular clothes. I generally use a light fleece jacket and convertible mittens with a microfiber neck gaiter to pull up over mouth and nose when I need to. That usually keeps me from over heating. Only in extreme cold, 20 F do I resort to a hip length ski coat with a hood. When it's that cold I also use my ski helmet and goggles, but I usually end up getting too hot. Marc On Monday, November 11, 2013 11:24:33 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote: Just curious. My commute may get longer soon. I had been doing partial commutes of 5.6 miles from a park-n-ride, but would like to work up to the full 16 mile one-way commute one day. A change in my family's work schedule (3 of us with two cars) may necessitate this sometimes. Any Riv-peeps' cold weather tips? Gets down into the 20's here in the winter. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Any Rivsters here commute more than 10 miles one-way? Cold weather tips?
My tip for the day is be alert to changing road conditions, which can be either obvious or subtle in winter. I had my first road riding fall in about 20 years this morning. I am a semi-retired educator and this is a non-working day for me. I was doing a multiple errand ride to spots 2 miles or so away on my old Bridgestone MB-2 with a trailer. It was 31 F with fog and the black top and concrete did not feel slippery but making a turn I slid out on paint marking the a cross-walk that had an icy glaze, apparently from freezing condensation. The markings were wide paint lines perpendicular to the crossing. I was going less than 10 miles and no significant damage to me or the bike but my helmet did contact the road. I have a second set of wheels for this bike that I keep studded tires on, but I like to postpone putting these on because they do feel appreciably slower. The studded tires work well for most winter conditions but sometimes slush can be a problems; that can float the tires enough that the studs won't contact the payment. I don't attempt to bike the whole way for my school that is more than 10 miles away even in warm weather so no on the main question. As for winter gear, I like this Salice visor. It works better than goggles over prescription glasses for avoiding fogging. Some cross country ski stores carry it. -Pete http://xcski.gearwest.com/product/salice-antifog-visor/400465/393527/1172345/1872659 On Monday, November 11, 2013 10:24:33 PM UTC-6, Michael wrote: Just curious. My commute may get longer soon. I had been doing partial commutes of 5.6 miles from a park-n-ride, but would like to work up to the full 16 mile one-way commute one day. A change in my family's work schedule (3 of us with two cars) may necessitate this sometimes. Any Riv-peeps' cold weather tips? Gets down into the 20's here in the winter. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Any Rivsters here commute more than 10 miles one-way? Cold weather tips?
A clarification. This is the model visor I have: http://www.nordicskiracer.com/news.asp?NewsID=3489 . It works well over prescription glasses, but I can't find that it is still manufactured and I haven't used the newer Salice visor linked in my last post. On Friday, November 15, 2013 1:15:37 PM UTC-6, Pete Olson wrote: My tip for the day is be alert to changing road conditions, which can be either obvious or subtle in winter. I had my first road riding fall in about 20 years this morning. I am a semi-retired educator and this is a non-working day for me. I was doing a multiple errand ride to spots 2 miles or so away on my old Bridgestone MB-2 with a trailer. It was 31 F with fog and the black top and concrete did not feel slippery but making a turn I slid out on paint marking the a cross-walk that had an icy glaze, apparently from freezing condensation. The markings were wide paint lines perpendicular to the crossing. I was going less than 10 miles and no significant damage to me or the bike but my helmet did contact the road. I have a second set of wheels for this bike that I keep studded tires on, but I like to postpone putting these on because they do feel appreciably slower. The studded tires work well for most winter conditions but sometimes slush can be a problems; that can float the tires enough that the studs won't contact the payment. I don't attempt to bike the whole way for my school that is more than 10 miles away even in warm weather so no on the main question. As for winter gear, I like this Salice visor. It works better than goggles over prescription glasses for avoiding fogging. Some cross country ski stores carry it. -Pete http://xcski.gearwest.com/product/salice-antifog-visor/400465/393527/1172345/1872659 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Any Rivsters here commute more than 10 miles one-way? Cold weather tips?
performance is relative to the Each person ... I am one who finds all wool itchy, even the finest of the fine merino. It's animal fur ... lol .. no matter how it's marketed . Some say synthetics cause one to sweat . I think this is perception. I sweat just the same in anything ... it's just wool absorbs it some and synthetics do not. There are pros/cons to this. For me synthetics may feel clammy for awhile, but they dry very very fast. Wools do not feel so clammy, but they take a comparatively much longer time to dry . Apples and oranges. Sweating is sweating . I also find the crew cut wool shirts to be too tight around the neck. This is a personal thing. Synthetics offer a comparatively huge selection of brands and cuts. My favorite being Craft Pro tops. they are a rib knit, with natural stretch. Liberal length ! No lycra rubber , which is one reason so many complain about smell. Lycra to me has zero place in such tops, it's a Cheap way to get stretchy and snugger fitting shirts. Craft does it by nature of the fabric weave. As far as cold riding . I stopped riding in the cold. I really don't enjoy it even below 50. Gotta be honest with myself. It's just no fun for and never was. Summer is divine ,and that's that. Shorts and t's :) s On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 11:26:18 AM UTC-5, Michael wrote: How are synthetic base layers (polyester,etc.)? They can be had for cheap. But I wonder if they perform as well as wool? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Any Rivsters here commute more than 10 miles one-way? Cold weather tips?
What Matt said. I have a 34 mile rt here in Michigan that I have to abandon for part of the winter due to snow/ice on shoulder. I like a baclava and wind stopper gloves. Keeping feet warm is key also. I enjoy the colder weather riding more than summer actually, don't know why. Go for it, you will know what works and doesn't for you the first cold ride. Jack Brown greens work well until ice and then studs and commute time goes up, considerably. Palmer -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Any Rivsters here commute more than 10 miles one-way? Cold weather tips?
On 11/15/2013 03:09 PM, Garth wrote: performance is relative to the Each person ... I am one who finds all wool itchy, even the finest of the fine merino. It's animal fur ... lol .. no matter how it's marketed . That's not what makes wool feel itchy to some. See this article: http://devonfinefibres.wordpress.com/2012/02/23/why-does-wool-itch/ or this one http://lifehacker.com/5871884/make-wool-clothing-less-itchy-with-glycerin-or-vinegar Some say synthetics cause one to sweat . I think this is perception. I sweat just the same in anything ... it's just wool absorbs it some and synthetics do not. There are pros/cons to this. For me synthetics may feel clammy for awhile, but they dry very very fast. Wools do not feel so clammy, but they take a comparatively much longer time to dry . Apples and oranges. Sweating is sweating . There's more to it that that, I think. Windproof materials really promote internal steambaths for me, whereas wool jerseys allow some wind through, making it easier for me to regulate the internal temperature and so avoid getting all sweaty inside. I also find the crew cut wool shirts to be too tight around the neck. This is a personal thing. No kidding! Some people love turtlenecks, others find them totally impossible to wear. Synthetics offer a comparatively huge selection of brands and cuts. My favorite being Craft Pro tops. they are a rib knit, with natural stretch. Liberal length ! No lycra rubber , which is one reason so many complain about smell. Lycra to me has zero place in such tops, it's a Cheap way to get stretchy and snugger fitting shirts. Craft does it by nature of the fabric weave. As far as cold riding . I stopped riding in the cold. I really don't enjoy it even below 50. Gotta be honest with myself. It's just no fun for and never was. Summer is divine ,and that's that. Shorts and t's :) I find with the right clothes it can be quite delightful, especially so in the 40s to 50s. Summers around here, especially with high humidity and temperatures above 90 can be very trying, real tests of human endurance, and more hellish than divine. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Any Rivsters here commute more than 10 miles one-way? Cold weather tips?
Perception tells me that synthetics make one sweat if too heavily layered. Perception also tells me the same of wool. But I think Garth meant imagination or, even more technically accurate, fancy. More seriously (he said, furrowing his brow): I think (from my perceptions --sorry, Garth!) that wool does adapt better to the temperature difference between body and exterior; at least, that is my experience. For example, today, I was outside in a single layer of lightish weight merino jersey at low 50s and inside 18* warmer, and no discomfort in either environment. But it has been too long since I've worn winter synthetics to remember how they adapted. I do remember that they felt clammy as you were cooling off. For me, wool has three big advantages: first, that it seems warmer than synthetics for a given weight (but the reservation above); second that it doesn't feel clammy when you stop exerting yourself; and third, it doesn't stink nearly as quickly. It has the defects of being more delicate (not a huge problem, but true in my experience), slighly harder to wash (you can't just toss it in with the kitchen towels), and it is rather expensive. But these are relatively minor defects, IME. I can wear light wool up to about 70F but I find it very uncomfortable when it is hot -- odd, since I don't find it so when I am sweating heavily during cold weather exertion. On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: performance is relative to the Each person ... I am one who finds all wool itchy, even the finest of the fine merino. It's animal fur ... lol .. no matter how it's marketed . Some say synthetics cause one to sweat . I think this is perception. I sweat just the same in anything ... it's just wool absorbs it some and synthetics do not. There are pros/cons to this. For me synthetics may feel clammy for awhile, but they dry very very fast. Wools do not feel so clammy, but they take a comparatively much longer time to dry . Apples and oranges. Sweating is sweating . I also find the crew cut wool shirts to be too tight around the neck. This is a personal thing. Synthetics offer a comparatively huge selection of brands and cuts. My favorite being Craft Pro tops. they are a rib knit, with natural stretch. Liberal length ! No lycra rubber , which is one reason so many complain about smell. Lycra to me has zero place in such tops, it's a Cheap way to get stretchy and snugger fitting shirts. Craft does it by nature of the fabric weave. As far as cold riding . I stopped riding in the cold. I really don't enjoy it even below 50. Gotta be honest with myself. It's just no fun for and never was. Summer is divine ,and that's that. Shorts and t's :) -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Any Rivsters here commute more than 10 miles one-way? Cold weather tips?
I've read all the pro wool theories . This isn't my first trip around the block lol. 1. As I said, I've worn the finest micron stuff, doesn't make a difference. 2. Just because a shirt has round cut collar, doesn't mean it has to be overly snug ! 3. You're comparing a wool jersey to a windproof synthetic fabric, those are 2 dissimilar things. I made no mention of windproof fabrics. I have synthetic jerseys that breath just as well as any wool. Don't confuse the weave of the fabric with the content of the fabric itself. On Friday, November 15, 2013 4:43:45 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 11/15/2013 03:09 PM, Garth wrote: performance is relative to the Each person ... I am one who finds all wool itchy, even the finest of the fine merino. It's animal fur ... lol .. no matter how it's marketed . That's not what makes wool feel itchy to some. See this article: http://devonfinefibres.wordpress.com/2012/02/23/why-does-wool-itch/ or this one http://lifehacker.com/5871884/make-wool-clothing-less-itchy-with-glycerin-or-vinegar Some say synthetics cause one to sweat . I think this is perception. I sweat just the same in anything ... it's just wool absorbs it some and synthetics do not. There are pros/cons to this. For me synthetics may feel clammy for awhile, but they dry very very fast. Wools do not feel so clammy, but they take a comparatively much longer time to dry . Apples and oranges. Sweating is sweating . There's more to it that that, I think. Windproof materials really promote internal steambaths for me, whereas wool jerseys allow some wind through, making it easier for me to regulate the internal temperature and so avoid getting all sweaty inside. I also find the crew cut wool shirts to be too tight around the neck. This is a personal thing. No kidding! Some people love turtlenecks, others find them totally impossible to wear. Synthetics offer a comparatively huge selection of brands and cuts. My favorite being Craft Pro tops. they are a rib knit, with natural stretch. Liberal length ! No lycra rubber , which is one reason so many complain about smell. Lycra to me has zero place in such tops, it's a Cheap way to get stretchy and snugger fitting shirts. Craft does it by nature of the fabric weave. As far as cold riding . I stopped riding in the cold. I really don't enjoy it even below 50. Gotta be honest with myself. It's just no fun for and never was. Summer is divine ,and that's that. Shorts and t's :) I find with the right clothes it can be quite delightful, especially so in the 40s to 50s. Summers around here, especially with high humidity and temperatures above 90 can be very trying, real tests of human endurance, and more hellish than divine. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Any Rivsters here commute more than 10 miles one-way? Cold weather tips?
Well Yes Patrick everything is Pure Imagination when it comes down to it . Did you not believe Gene Wilder as Willy Wonka ? Everyone is Willy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2pt2-F2j2g Even as ride my bike what am I riding really but the Imagination made to be real as only imagination can make ;) Even your reply . I already imagined what you were going to say before you said it ! aaahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahah ! Life is Fun . On Friday, November 15, 2013 5:48:23 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: Perception tells me that synthetics make one sweat if too heavily layered. Perception also tells me the same of wool. But I think Garth meant imagination or, even more technically accurate, fancy. More seriously (he said, furrowing his brow): I think (from my perceptions --sorry, Garth!) that wool does adapt better to the temperature difference between body and exterior; at least, that is my experience. For example, today, I was outside in a single layer of lightish weight merino jersey at low 50s and inside 18* warmer, and no discomfort in either environment. But it has been too long since I've worn winter synthetics to remember how they adapted. I do remember that they felt clammy as you were cooling off. For me, wool has three big advantages: first, that it seems warmer than synthetics for a given weight (but the reservation above); second that it doesn't feel clammy when you stop exerting yourself; and third, it doesn't stink nearly as quickly. It has the defects of being more delicate (not a huge problem, but true in my experience), slighly harder to wash (you can't just toss it in with the kitchen towels), and it is rather expensive. But these are relatively minor defects, IME. I can wear light wool up to about 70F but I find it very uncomfortable when it is hot -- odd, since I don't find it so when I am sweating heavily during cold weather exertion. On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Garth gart...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: performance is relative to the Each person ... I am one who finds all wool itchy, even the finest of the fine merino. It's animal fur ... lol .. no matter how it's marketed . Some say synthetics cause one to sweat . I think this is perception. I sweat just the same in anything ... it's just wool absorbs it some and synthetics do not. There are pros/cons to this. For me synthetics may feel clammy for awhile, but they dry very very fast. Wools do not feel so clammy, but they take a comparatively much longer time to dry . Apples and oranges. Sweating is sweating . I also find the crew cut wool shirts to be too tight around the neck. This is a personal thing. Synthetics offer a comparatively huge selection of brands and cuts. My favorite being Craft Pro tops. they are a rib knit, with natural stretch. Liberal length ! No lycra rubber , which is one reason so many complain about smell. Lycra to me has zero place in such tops, it's a Cheap way to get stretchy and snugger fitting shirts. Craft does it by nature of the fabric weave. As far as cold riding . I stopped riding in the cold. I really don't enjoy it even below 50. Gotta be honest with myself. It's just no fun for and never was. Summer is divine ,and that's that. Shorts and t's :) -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patric...@resumespecialties.com javascript: http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Any Rivsters here commute more than 10 miles one-way? Cold weather tips?
My Marmot DriClime wind jacket has vented armpits. My Patagonia hooded rain jacket has zippered armpits. Neither suffer from ventilation problems that result in getting clammy, so maybe these design features are the key to synthetics. They both block wind and rain in a way which no woolen material in my wardrobe can approach, and at about a quarter of the bulk and weight. I bought a cheapo transparent emergency rain top with no ventilation from Nashbar some years ago. It fogs up with condensation, sweat running down the sleeves in torrents inside of 30 minutes, irrespective of base layer material. Jeff Hagedorn Waragul, VIC Australia -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Any Rivsters here commute more than 10 miles one-way? Cold weather tips?
My imaginative take is far, far bleaker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o Patrick Moore, who shares his pickup skills, too. On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: Well Yes Patrick everything is Pure Imagination when it comes down to it . Did you not believe Gene Wilder as Willy Wonka ? Everyone is Willy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2pt2-F2j2g Even as ride my bike what am I riding really but the Imagination made to be real as only imagination can make ;) Even your reply . I already imagined what you were going to say before you said it ! aaahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahah ! Life is Fun . On Friday, November 15, 2013 5:48:23 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: Perception tells me that synthetics make one sweat if too heavily layered. Perception also tells me the same of wool. But I think Garth meant imagination or, even more technically accurate, fancy. More seriously (he said, furrowing his brow): I think (from my perceptions --sorry, Garth!) that wool does adapt better to the temperature difference between body and exterior; at least, that is my experience. For example, today, I was outside in a single layer of lightish weight merino jersey at low 50s and inside 18* warmer, and no discomfort in either environment. But it has been too long since I've worn winter synthetics to remember how they adapted. I do remember that they felt clammy as you were cooling off. For me, wool has three big advantages: first, that it seems warmer than synthetics for a given weight (but the reservation above); second that it doesn't feel clammy when you stop exerting yourself; and third, it doesn't stink nearly as quickly. It has the defects of being more delicate (not a huge problem, but true in my experience), slighly harder to wash (you can't just toss it in with the kitchen towels), and it is rather expensive. But these are relatively minor defects, IME. I can wear light wool up to about 70F but I find it very uncomfortable when it is hot -- odd, since I don't find it so when I am sweating heavily during cold weather exertion. On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Garth gart...@gmail.com wrote: performance is relative to the Each person ... I am one who finds all wool itchy, even the finest of the fine merino. It's animal fur ... lol .. no matter how it's marketed . Some say synthetics cause one to sweat . I think this is perception. I sweat just the same in anything ... it's just wool absorbs it some and synthetics do not. There are pros/cons to this. For me synthetics may feel clammy for awhile, but they dry very very fast. Wools do not feel so clammy, but they take a comparatively much longer time to dry . Apples and oranges. Sweating is sweating . I also find the crew cut wool shirts to be too tight around the neck. This is a personal thing. Synthetics offer a comparatively huge selection of brands and cuts. My favorite being Craft Pro tops. they are a rib knit, with natural stretch. Liberal length ! No lycra rubber , which is one reason so many complain about smell. Lycra to me has zero place in such tops, it's a Cheap way to get stretchy and snugger fitting shirts. Craft does it by nature of the fabric weave. As far as cold riding . I stopped riding in the cold. I really don't enjoy it even below 50. Gotta be honest with myself. It's just no fun for and never was. Summer is divine ,and that's that. Shorts and t's :) -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patric...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Any Rivsters here commute more than 10 miles one-way? Cold weather tips?
Yes. My commute ranges from 5-25 miles each way in LI/NYC. There has been much good advice shared above, here are my thoughts on the topic: Lights, back-up lights and reflectors. You must be seen. Time in the saddle matters a lot and be prepared to be exposed for twice the amount of your average ride time to account for flats, mechanical failures, etc. Hands - keep them warm. I love Assos winter glove system. It is expensive but they last for years and a tailor can fix em up as the age. Feet - keep them warm. Forget silly cycling shoes with booties and get your self some serious cold weather boots. Try what you currently own before buying new. Eyes - protect them. I think any glasses are fine. Head - cover your ears. Try the hats you own before buying cycling hats, many wool/synthetic hats fit under helmets. Neck gaitor - it helps on cold days. Protect your genitals - I am not joking. The wind hits 'em and they'll numb up quickly. Clothing - start with what you have and experiment. For me, I like wool shirts, a cycling jacket, and Levi's commuter jeans. In the snow - I think commuting around LI/NYC is too dangerous and wait for it to clear. Try lots of things and have fun! -Jimmy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Any Rivsters here commute more than 10 miles one-way? Cold weather tips?
When it dips into the teens here in Portland I often switch to wearing my ski helmet, which has built-in earmuffs, not enough to kill the sounds of cars, mind you, but enough to keep my ears from freezing off. On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Jimmy Hutch ji...@jimmyhutchinson.comwrote: Yes. My commute ranges from 5-25 miles each way in LI/NYC. There has been much good advice shared above, here are my thoughts on the topic: Lights, back-up lights and reflectors. You must be seen. Time in the saddle matters a lot and be prepared to be exposed for twice the amount of your average ride time to account for flats, mechanical failures, etc. Hands - keep them warm. I love Assos winter glove system. It is expensive but they last for years and a tailor can fix em up as the age. Feet - keep them warm. Forget silly cycling shoes with booties and get your self some serious cold weather boots. Try what you currently own before buying new. Eyes - protect them. I think any glasses are fine. Head - cover your ears. Try the hats you own before buying cycling hats, many wool/synthetic hats fit under helmets. Neck gaitor - it helps on cold days. Protect your genitals - I am not joking. The wind hits 'em and they'll numb up quickly. Clothing - start with what you have and experiment. For me, I like wool shirts, a cycling jacket, and Levi's commuter jeans. In the snow - I think commuting around LI/NYC is too dangerous and wait for it to clear. Try lots of things and have fun! -Jimmy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Any Rivsters here commute more than 10 miles one-way? Cold weather tips?
Good advice, but doubling the time may be rather liberal. In all my years of commuting, I've rarely had to stop, but even two flats slowly changed add half an hour, and IME more than 1 per ride is very rare even here in goathead country. If you set up your bike to be pretty much fool proof (and I don't mean, necessarily, fixed) you should rarely have a breakdown even commuting quite a bit further than 10 miles one way. I can remember two occasions over 10+ years where I had a mechanical beside flats, and both were due to bad prep: one, frayed rear shifter cable (I didn't have to stop); and using a cheap stamped fixed cog that ground off the cheap threads on my Normandy hub. On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Jimmy Hutch ji...@jimmyhutchinson.comwrote: Time in the saddle matters a lot and be prepared to be exposed for twice the amount of your average ride time to account for flats, mechanical failures, etc. -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Any Rivsters here commute more than 10 miles one-way? Cold weather tips?
Dead-on. I had the unfortunate chance to make my commute more than 10 miles when I got home Tuesday night and realized at the steps I left my keys in the lock I leave on the rack at work, so I had to do a second round trip. My hands go into mitts below freezing. More shared air inside the insulation and less surface area to cool. I had my transitional temp gloves and by the time I got home I was in the early frostbite range (cold blast brought snow, daytime high of 34° and wind). Merino middle weight crew top, early '90s Patagonia Gore Windstopper vest, wool skull cap, rain cover over my helmet to close the holes, old TNF Velo jacket which is a shell that turns the wind, some spray, but mostly is very breathable so I never soak in the condensate in it. Been trying a pair of fleece-lined waterproof booties from Pearl Izumi over my usual cleated shoes (knee repair that impaired proprioception; foot floats off away from platform pedals). Most importantly, a new pair of pants made of Shoeller fabric as Matthew J recommends. I have a pair of 3/4 pants from Chrome I really like because of that fabric. REI made a pair of long pants sold as Acme pants. Only a lone XXL pair remain locally, so I bit the bullet and got a pair of in-season Mammut Traileika pants. Fantastic! No need to wear insulation beneath yet. Turns light water, wind and with a leg band no drafts. Tuesday's glove error corrected Wednesday morning by my trusty OR mitts. Sometimes in the winter months I will add some extra distance to my ride home because once tuned to the specific climate and response with clothing, I can go for miles and miles while staying comfortable. Too late and too long a day Wednesday to wander off path though. Andy Cheatham Pittsburgh On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 9:41:41 AM UTC-5, Matthew J wrote: Hands, feet and ears need a lot of attention. 180s work for my ears. Many models fit easily under the helmet.. Lobster claw gloves are great when it gets real cold. Alpaca socks are comfortable and very warm. If you can afford it, Schoeller fabric jackets: http://shop.searchandstate.com/collections/all/products/s1-j-riding-jacketand pants: (Swrve, Outlier, Mission Workshop, etc. all have good choices) keep you warm but let perspiration escape. Many of the pants look better some of my auto driving colleagues' corporate casual attire. On Monday, November 11, 2013 10:24:33 PM UTC-6, Michael wrote: Just curious. My commute may get longer soon. I had been doing partial commutes of 5.6 miles from a park-n-ride, but would like to work up to the full 16 mile one-way commute one day. A change in my family's work schedule (3 of us with two cars) may necessitate this sometimes. Any Riv-peeps' cold weather tips? Gets down into the 20's here in the winter. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Any Rivsters here commute more than 10 miles one-way? Cold weather tips?
Used to live in Vermont. By far, my favorite riding gear I have ever purchased is a Marmot dri clime windshirt. I wore it on all but the coldest days of the winter (i.e. anything above 15 degrees F) and found it to be an amazing garment. It's like magic. With a merino long sleeve underneath, you are good to go. Blocks the wind, keeps you warm but not overheating. If you were standing around in it in 20 degree weather, it would not be warm enough, but on the bike it's perfect. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Any Rivsters here commute more than 10 miles one-way? Cold weather tips?
How are synthetic base layers (polyester,etc.)? They can be had for cheap. But I wonder if they perform as well as wool? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Any Rivsters here commute more than 10 miles one-way? Cold weather tips?
On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 9:26:18 AM UTC-7, Michael wrote: How are synthetic base layers (polyester,etc.)? They can be had for cheap. But I wonder if they perform as well as wool? Blech. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Any Rivsters here commute more than 10 miles one-way? Cold weather tips?
The thing about wool is, it doesn't develop a smell or start to feel gross after wearing it.In fact you can wear it again and again before it needs washing, and it doesn't even *feel* dirty even when you've been wearing it several days (ask me how I know!).Plus if you wash it gently or hand wash it, it seems to last forever. This isn't the case with cotton or synthetic materials, which nevermind smelling, also begin to feel gross as soon as the second time you wear it unless you wash it first. For this reason I haven't used polyester or even polyblend cotton for undergarments in years. Cotton, maybe but synthetic definitely not.Of course your mileage may vary. Matt On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 11:26:18 AM UTC-5, Michael wrote: How are synthetic base layers (polyester,etc.)? They can be had for cheap. But I wonder if they perform as well as wool? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Any Rivsters here commute more than 10 miles one-way? Cold weather tips?
When I used to commute in the winter the Balaclava was essential to not having a face of frozen snot at the end of the ride. I also wore thermal underwear (long johns for us old people) which helped to hold in a lot of warmth. On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 9:26:18 AM UTC-7, Michael wrote: How are synthetic base layers (polyester,etc.)? They can be had for cheap. But I wonder if they perform as well as wool? Blech. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Any Rivsters here commute more than 10 miles one-way? Cold weather tips?
As someone from Australia (hot) commuting in Germany (cold) I definitely qualify as a wimp. Must find some of those chopper gloves, they look the business! Tom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Any Rivsters here commute more than 10 miles one-way? Cold weather tips?
Ski gloves for me--others have used the wierd lobster gloves/mittens, but I haven't needed them. My ski gloves have multiple inserts depending on the coldness. For CA riding I haven't needed anything other than the outer glove. I use a bright yellow helmet cover and cycling cap to keep my head warm. --I don't use a jacket if I know I'm going to get hot. I will wear 2-3 vests (including thermal vest) and double or triple arm-warmers to allow maximum cooling off and layering. My commute in is downhill, so I wear a jacket and then on the way home I use my vest strategy since I get hot going uphill. --Wear a reflective vest and ankle bands, please!!! If you can, then add reflective tape/stickers to your helmet and fenders. Cars routinely pass me and say that I look awesome! The fat and long Riv ankle bands are the best!! Safe riding to all, Toshi in Oakland, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Any Rivsters here commute more than 10 miles one-way? Cold weather tips?
My commute is just about 10 miles, a few more depending where I start. living in SoCal makes the commute pretty tolerable even in the winter time. Wool is the key I think! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Any Rivsters here commute more than 10 miles one-way? Cold weather tips?
My commute is 7-10 miles one way, depending on the route and any errands run along the way. I left this morning with the temp at 28°, wearing a merino wool skull cap from Smartwool, an Eddie Bauer synblend t shirt (heresy!) long sleeve cotton casual shirt for work (gotta look pretty), merino wool pullover sweater and a fleece vest; jeans, socks and sneakers, thin thermal gloves. Worked great for me. Jim in Boulder On Monday, November 11, 2013 9:24:33 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote: Just curious. My commute may get longer soon. I had been doing partial commutes of 5.6 miles from a park-n-ride, but would like to work up to the full 16 mile one-way commute one day. A change in my family's work schedule (3 of us with two cars) may necessitate this sometimes. Any Riv-peeps' cold weather tips? Gets down into the 20's here in the winter. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Any Rivsters here commute more than 10 miles one-way? Cold weather tips?
I don't commute, but I do ride at those temps. 20˚F is right on the edge of needing a full on jacket for me. Depending on wind, Im fine with wool long johns, a cotton wind shirt (work shirt from RIv), and their Wooly Warm Sargent's sweater (with gloves, hat, socks, shoes). At 20˚F, the roads here may be wet or have black ice or be powered/packed snow, all depending on sun and wind, so fenders are a big plus. My recommendation is to start off dressed to wear what you know you'll warm up to. It's just easier that way. With abandon, Patrick On Monday, November 11, 2013 9:24:33 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote: Just curious. My commute may get longer soon. I had been doing partial commutes of 5.6 miles from a park-n-ride, but would like to work up to the full 16 mile one-way commute one day. A change in my family's work schedule (3 of us with two cars) may necessitate this sometimes. Any Riv-peeps' cold weather tips? Gets down into the 20's here in the winter. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Any Rivsters here commute more than 10 miles one-way? Cold weather tips?
I commute about 8.5 miles, but the coldest I've ridden so far is about 45˚F (it's 12˚F now). I plan on working my way down to 35˚F, and then maybe 25˚F. Technique: Hunched over aero riding position keeps more of your body out of the cold wind. Gear: I got some Cannondale slice winter gloves used from a co-worker, and they're my new favorite cold weather glove on or off the bike. I have winter tights and a windbreaker fleece jacket, and wool layers beneath. I'll put on windbreaking shell pants for the really cold days. I have a balaclava that keeps my head, ears, and neck warm, and I bought clear lens glasses so my tears don't stream and freeze when I'm riding fast. My beard takes care of the rest of my face pretty well. I've never needed heavier than Smartwool hiking socks, we'll see if I end up wanting wind spats. On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 6:28 AM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: I don't commute, but I do ride at those temps. 20˚F is right on the edge of needing a full on jacket for me. Depending on wind, Im fine with wool long johns, a cotton wind shirt (work shirt from RIv), and their Wooly Warm Sargent's sweater (with gloves, hat, socks, shoes). At 20˚F, the roads here may be wet or have black ice or be powered/packed snow, all depending on sun and wind, so fenders are a big plus. My recommendation is to start off dressed to wear what you know you'll warm up to. It's just easier that way. With abandon, Patrick On Monday, November 11, 2013 9:24:33 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote: Just curious. My commute may get longer soon. I had been doing partial commutes of 5.6 miles from a park-n-ride, but would like to work up to the full 16 mile one-way commute one day. A change in my family's work schedule (3 of us with two cars) may necessitate this sometimes. Any Riv-peeps' cold weather tips? Gets down into the 20's here in the winter. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Any Rivsters here commute more than 10 miles one-way? Cold weather tips?
I have bicycle commuted about 16-17 miles one way for the past several years.I think you have to find what works for you by trial and error, but I've found the following things work really well for me (for New England winter): -Use wool undergarments, next to skin is crucial, merino wool (like Rivendell has) is good for this -Layers on the body, but definitely no 'shell' because you need ventilation -Wool balaclava and ski-goggles -Warm, roomy footwear with thick or multiple socks -Mittens, possibly layered mittens. This can make braking weird at first, depending on your bar setup but you can get used to it, and military 'trigger mittens' work well -Studded tires if you live where it snows -Fenders of course -saddle bag or basket because you're going to be adding/removing garments from time to time I find that if I'm dressed OK, riding in the winter can be totally enjoyable.It gives you a very distinct experience from summer riding and has its own rewards. Anyway good luck and have fun. Matt On Monday, November 11, 2013 11:24:33 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote: Just curious. My commute may get longer soon. I had been doing partial commutes of 5.6 miles from a park-n-ride, but would like to work up to the full 16 mile one-way commute one day. A change in my family's work schedule (3 of us with two cars) may necessitate this sometimes. Any Riv-peeps' cold weather tips? Gets down into the 20's here in the winter. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Any Rivsters here commute more than 10 miles one-way? Cold weather tips?
Hands, feet and ears need a lot of attention. 180s work for my ears. Many models fit easily under the helmet.. Lobster claw gloves are great when it gets real cold. Alpaca socks are comfortable and very warm. If you can afford it, Schoeller fabric jackets: http://shop.searchandstate.com/collections/all/products/s1-j-riding-jacket and pants: (Swrve, Outlier, Mission Workshop, etc. all have good choices) keep you warm but let perspiration escape. Many of the pants look better some of my auto driving colleagues' corporate casual attire. On Monday, November 11, 2013 10:24:33 PM UTC-6, Michael wrote: Just curious. My commute may get longer soon. I had been doing partial commutes of 5.6 miles from a park-n-ride, but would like to work up to the full 16 mile one-way commute one day. A change in my family's work schedule (3 of us with two cars) may necessitate this sometimes. Any Riv-peeps' cold weather tips? Gets down into the 20's here in the winter. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Any Rivsters here commute more than 10 miles one-way? Cold weather tips?
Those days are over for me for now, but I know that a light, breathable Balaclava goes a long way. See: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/ac20.hthttp://www.rivbike.com/product-p/ac20.htm m I also use an old synthetic fleece one from Patagucci. On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 7:41 AM, Matthew J matthewj...@gmail.com wrote: Hands, feet and ears need a lot of attention. 180s work for my ears. Many models fit easily under the helmet.. Lobster claw gloves are great when it gets real cold. Alpaca socks are comfortable and very warm. If you can afford it, Schoeller fabric jackets: http://shop.searchandstate.com/collections/all/products/s1-j-riding-jacketand pants: (Swrve, Outlier, Mission Workshop, etc. all have good choices) keep you warm but let perspiration escape. Many of the pants look better some of my auto driving colleagues' corporate casual attire. On Monday, November 11, 2013 10:24:33 PM UTC-6, Michael wrote: Just curious. My commute may get longer soon. I had been doing partial commutes of 5.6 miles from a park-n-ride, but would like to work up to the full 16 mile one-way commute one day. A change in my family's work schedule (3 of us with two cars) may necessitate this sometimes. Any Riv-peeps' cold weather tips? Gets down into the 20's here in the winter. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Bill Gibson Tempe, Arizona, USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Any Rivsters here commute more than 10 miles one-way? Cold weather tips?
In addition to the above: Studded tires keep you upright even on unseen black ice. I have Nokians that I like a lot. Wind protection for all sensitive parts. Patagonia used to sell a windproof brief that worked great. I've used vapor barrier socks on my feet and neoprene overshoes for really cold. I think VB socks would be enough for the 20's. Tim On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 7:59 AM, Bill Gibson bill.bgib...@gmail.com wrote: Those days are over for me for now, but I know that a light, breathable Balaclava goes a long way. See: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/ac20.hthttp://www.rivbike.com/product-p/ac20.htm m I also use an old synthetic fleece one from Patagucci. On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 7:41 AM, Matthew J matthewj...@gmail.com wrote: Hands, feet and ears need a lot of attention. 180s work for my ears. Many models fit easily under the helmet.. Lobster claw gloves are great when it gets real cold. Alpaca socks are comfortable and very warm. If you can afford it, Schoeller fabric jackets: http://shop.searchandstate.com/collections/all/products/s1-j-riding-jacketand pants: (Swrve, Outlier, Mission Workshop, etc. all have good choices) keep you warm but let perspiration escape. Many of the pants look better some of my auto driving colleagues' corporate casual attire. On Monday, November 11, 2013 10:24:33 PM UTC-6, Michael wrote: Just curious. My commute may get longer soon. I had been doing partial commutes of 5.6 miles from a park-n-ride, but would like to work up to the full 16 mile one-way commute one day. A change in my family's work schedule (3 of us with two cars) may necessitate this sometimes. Any Riv-peeps' cold weather tips? Gets down into the 20's here in the winter. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Bill Gibson Tempe, Arizona, USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Any Rivsters here commute more than 10 miles one-way? Cold weather tips?
For 20's my usual gear is a heavier wool top with a Marmot wind jacket. Not much ventillation. But it works in blocking the wind and cold. Otherwise, it's very variable. Sometimes wool not so tights under MUSA pants. Other times, just the pants. If it's warmish for winter, then maybe an old wool jac-shirt. Or one of the other jackets. Or, maybe this year, the rollynecker or sargent sweater. Feet and hands are my weak spots. Often will wear too much in the way of gloves and risk sweating rather than freezing for most of the ride until I warm up. Leather choppers are nice over any glove of choice. Feet are Keen insulated until I decide to pull out the insulated Red Wing boots. Balaclava if it's windy. Sometimes just wool skullcap under helmet. BTW, in general I'm a wimp in Minnesota riding and commuting in winter. Will usually not ride much below zero these days. Unless it is a short ride. Oh, and in winter my main bike will have studded tires. Don't need it that often, but on dark morning commutes it can come in handy. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Tim Whalen whalen...@gmail.com wrote: In addition to the above: Studded tires keep you upright even on unseen black ice. I have Nokians that I like a lot. Wind protection for all sensitive parts. Patagonia used to sell a windproof brief that worked great. I've used vapor barrier socks on my feet and neoprene overshoes for really cold. I think VB socks would be enough for the 20's. Tim On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 7:59 AM, Bill Gibson bill.bgib...@gmail.comwrote: Those days are over for me for now, but I know that a light, breathable Balaclava goes a long way. See: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/ac20.hthttp://www.rivbike.com/product-p/ac20.htm m I also use an old synthetic fleece one from Patagucci. On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 7:41 AM, Matthew J matthewj...@gmail.com wrote: Hands, feet and ears need a lot of attention. 180s work for my ears. Many models fit easily under the helmet.. Lobster claw gloves are great when it gets real cold. Alpaca socks are comfortable and very warm. If you can afford it, Schoeller fabric jackets: http://shop.searchandstate.com/collections/all/products/s1-j-riding-jacketand pants: (Swrve, Outlier, Mission Workshop, etc. all have good choices) keep you warm but let perspiration escape. Many of the pants look better some of my auto driving colleagues' corporate casual attire. On Monday, November 11, 2013 10:24:33 PM UTC-6, Michael wrote: Just curious. My commute may get longer soon. I had been doing partial commutes of 5.6 miles from a park-n-ride, but would like to work up to the full 16 mile one-way commute one day. A change in my family's work schedule (3 of us with two cars) may necessitate this sometimes. Any Riv-peeps' cold weather tips? Gets down into the 20's here in the winter. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Bill Gibson Tempe, Arizona, USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Any Rivsters here commute more than 10 miles one-way? Cold weather tips?
Layers. You'll warm up and want to peel some off! Warm gloves. Warm shoes. Something to cover your ears. Some folks swear by a balaclava, but I can't stand them. A thermal bottle full of hot beverage of choice. A thermal vest (wool, poly fleece, whatever works for you) is a handy, handy garment to own. On Monday, November 11, 2013 8:24:33 PM UTC-8, Michael wrote: Just curious. My commute may get longer soon. I had been doing partial commutes of 5.6 miles from a park-n-ride, but would like to work up to the full 16 mile one-way commute one day. A change in my family's work schedule (3 of us with two cars) may necessitate this sometimes. Any Riv-peeps' cold weather tips? Gets down into the 20's here in the winter. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
