[RBW] Re: Anybody put a Large Saddlesack on top of Sackville Panniers?
Hi Kip, I haven't tried that specific combo, but I have used Ortlieb panniers on a Tubus rear rack, with my large SaddleSack sitting on top. It worked fine in terms of everything being securely attached etc., but there was zero access to the contents of the panniers without removing the SaddleSack, so it was a matter of loading the panniers, attaching them to the bike, then attaching the SaddleSack. From memory it was possible, if a bit fiddly, to attach or remove the panniers with the SaddleSack already on the rack, but I guess that wouldn't work with Riv-style panniers. Sounds like you've got some great trips planned, don't forget to post some photos! Tom Germany. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Anybody put a Large Saddlesack on top of Sackville Panniers?
Hey Kip, Yes. See here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/9725707307/. Does it limit access? A bit, but not practicably. As the Large Saddlesack sags its wings, I have to lift it up to get things in and out, but that's not much of a bother, and when I use them, I only put stuff in them that I'll need once at my campsite. Everything I need on the trail is in the Saddlesack. Mounting: I use Irish straps (the short ones) to 1) anchor the panniers to the front of the rack; 2) Anchor the front and back of the Saddlesack to the rack, threading the strap through the leather of the Saddlesack then through the gap in the panniers and their top and under the rack. Once tightened, I've never had to tighten them on a trip, but they all easily come off. I don't know, but imagine the irish straps are easier than zip ties. Enjoy your family trips! With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, September 24, 2013 5:14:04 AM UTC-6, Kip Otteson wrote: I've been thinking about putting either Sackville Panniers or Frost River Panniers on my Nitto Big Back Rack and then putting the large saddlesack on top of it. I think I've seen this setup before and it would work for me in my role of chief load carrier for the family camping trips. I thought I could get away with just the saddlesack and a front shopsack and front panniers, towing a BOB trailer, but I think I need a little more space. I think the Carsick Panniers look excellent and I'd like to replace my Maddens with them up front. I love the saddlesack and don't want to give that up at all. I have all my tools where I want them and I can answer my phone while riding. The zip pockets that face the rider are very helpful. It seems like where one zip ties the saddlesack to the rack, through the slots on the bottom, they could be strapped to either of the panniers I mentioned above. However, I was wondering how much they would interfere with loading the bags up due to the overhang of the saddlesack? Anybody have any thoughts or experience? We plan on doing a tour of Cambodia this summer and down the Pacific Coast the following year. The wife and six year old with be on a tandem and my 10 year old is on his own bike with panniers. My wife has enough on her plate just negotiating the youngster and her reluctant pedaling without bothering with luggage. Kip Otteson Chiang Mai, Thailand -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Anybody put a Large Saddlesack on top of Sackville Panniers?
Oops. Meant to add this in my previous post. Pics of the mounting: http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/sets/72157634073536262/ With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, September 24, 2013 6:54:42 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote: Hey Kip, Yes. See here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/9725707307/. Does it limit access? A bit, but not practicably. As the Large Saddlesack sags its wings, I have to lift it up to get things in and out, but that's not much of a bother, and when I use them, I only put stuff in them that I'll need once at my campsite. Everything I need on the trail is in the Saddlesack. Mounting: I use Irish straps (the short ones) to 1) anchor the panniers to the front of the rack; 2) Anchor the front and back of the Saddlesack to the rack, threading the strap through the leather of the Saddlesack then through the gap in the panniers and their top and under the rack. Once tightened, I've never had to tighten them on a trip, but they all easily come off. I don't know, but imagine the irish straps are easier than zip ties. Enjoy your family trips! With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, September 24, 2013 5:14:04 AM UTC-6, Kip Otteson wrote: I've been thinking about putting either Sackville Panniers or Frost River Panniers on my Nitto Big Back Rack and then putting the large saddlesack on top of it. I think I've seen this setup before and it would work for me in my role of chief load carrier for the family camping trips. I thought I could get away with just the saddlesack and a front shopsack and front panniers, towing a BOB trailer, but I think I need a little more space. I think the Carsick Panniers look excellent and I'd like to replace my Maddens with them up front. I love the saddlesack and don't want to give that up at all. I have all my tools where I want them and I can answer my phone while riding. The zip pockets that face the rider are very helpful. It seems like where one zip ties the saddlesack to the rack, through the slots on the bottom, they could be strapped to either of the panniers I mentioned above. However, I was wondering how much they would interfere with loading the bags up due to the overhang of the saddlesack? Anybody have any thoughts or experience? We plan on doing a tour of Cambodia this summer and down the Pacific Coast the following year. The wife and six year old with be on a tandem and my 10 year old is on his own bike with panniers. My wife has enough on her plate just negotiating the youngster and her reluctant pedaling without bothering with luggage. Kip Otteson Chiang Mai, Thailand -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Anybody put a Large Saddlesack on top of Sackville Panniers?
Thanks, Tom. I was afraid of that type of inconvenience. I appreciate the post and info. Yes, I need to post photos. Now if only I can find a camera and keep it charged! The bane of my life. On Tuesday, September 24, 2013 7:30:49 PM UTC+7, Tom Harrop wrote: Hi Kip, I haven't tried that specific combo, but I have used Ortlieb panniers on a Tubus rear rack, with my large SaddleSack sitting on top. It worked fine in terms of everything being securely attached etc., but there was zero access to the contents of the panniers without removing the SaddleSack, so it was a matter of loading the panniers, attaching them to the bike, then attaching the SaddleSack. From memory it was possible, if a bit fiddly, to attach or remove the panniers with the SaddleSack already on the rack, but I guess that wouldn't work with Riv-style panniers. Sounds like you've got some great trips planned, don't forget to post some photos! Tom Germany. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Anybody put a Large Saddlesack on top of Sackville Panniers?
Deacon, thanks for the pics. My question was answered perfectly! I think that you're bike is the one I saw in some previous pics. You did that great tour with your daughter, if memory serves. I still plan on the Riv Rendevous in Colorado in two years time. It will be excellent to see your rig in person. Take care. Kip On Tuesday, September 24, 2013 7:55:29 PM UTC+7, Deacon Patrick wrote: Oops. Meant to add this in my previous post. Pics of the mounting: http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/sets/72157634073536262/ With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, September 24, 2013 6:54:42 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote: Hey Kip, Yes. See here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/9725707307/. Does it limit access? A bit, but not practicably. As the Large Saddlesack sags its wings, I have to lift it up to get things in and out, but that's not much of a bother, and when I use them, I only put stuff in them that I'll need once at my campsite. Everything I need on the trail is in the Saddlesack. Mounting: I use Irish straps (the short ones) to 1) anchor the panniers to the front of the rack; 2) Anchor the front and back of the Saddlesack to the rack, threading the strap through the leather of the Saddlesack then through the gap in the panniers and their top and under the rack. Once tightened, I've never had to tighten them on a trip, but they all easily come off. I don't know, but imagine the irish straps are easier than zip ties. Enjoy your family trips! With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, September 24, 2013 5:14:04 AM UTC-6, Kip Otteson wrote: I've been thinking about putting either Sackville Panniers or Frost River Panniers on my Nitto Big Back Rack and then putting the large saddlesack on top of it. I think I've seen this setup before and it would work for me in my role of chief load carrier for the family camping trips. I thought I could get away with just the saddlesack and a front shopsack and front panniers, towing a BOB trailer, but I think I need a little more space. I think the Carsick Panniers look excellent and I'd like to replace my Maddens with them up front. I love the saddlesack and don't want to give that up at all. I have all my tools where I want them and I can answer my phone while riding. The zip pockets that face the rider are very helpful. It seems like where one zip ties the saddlesack to the rack, through the slots on the bottom, they could be strapped to either of the panniers I mentioned above. However, I was wondering how much they would interfere with loading the bags up due to the overhang of the saddlesack? Anybody have any thoughts or experience? We plan on doing a tour of Cambodia this summer and down the Pacific Coast the following year. The wife and six year old with be on a tandem and my 10 year old is on his own bike with panniers. My wife has enough on her plate just negotiating the youngster and her reluctant pedaling without bothering with luggage. Kip Otteson Chiang Mai, Thailand -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Anybody put a Large Saddlesack on top of Sackville Panniers?
Kip Remember that the floor stiffener on your Saddlesack Large is removable. Maybe you don't need the stiffener when the Saddlesack is resting on top of the Toursacks, and without the stiffener, lifting the Saddlesack off of a pannier for access would be a little easier. The Saddlesack would be more like a blob that you could maneuver out of your way. When you're done, just velcro the floor back in. It might be worth a try. :-) On Tuesday, September 24, 2013 2:20:55 PM UTC-7, Kip Otteson wrote: Thanks, Tom. I was afraid of that type of inconvenience. I appreciate the post and info. Yes, I need to post photos. Now if only I can find a camera and keep it charged! The bane of my life. On Tuesday, September 24, 2013 7:30:49 PM UTC+7, Tom Harrop wrote: Hi Kip, I haven't tried that specific combo, but I have used Ortlieb panniers on a Tubus rear rack, with my large SaddleSack sitting on top. It worked fine in terms of everything being securely attached etc., but there was zero access to the contents of the panniers without removing the SaddleSack, so it was a matter of loading the panniers, attaching them to the bike, then attaching the SaddleSack. From memory it was possible, if a bit fiddly, to attach or remove the panniers with the SaddleSack already on the rack, but I guess that wouldn't work with Riv-style panniers. Sounds like you've got some great trips planned, don't forget to post some photos! Tom Germany. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Anybody put a Large Saddlesack on top of Sackville Panniers?
Good tip on the floor. I didn't think of that. I'm thinking more and more of going with the Frost River panniers. They seem really nice and a less expensive option. On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 4:25 AM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Kip Remember that the floor stiffener on your Saddlesack Large is removable. Maybe you don't need the stiffener when the Saddlesack is resting on top of the Toursacks, and without the stiffener, lifting the Saddlesack off of a pannier for access would be a little easier. The Saddlesack would be more like a blob that you could maneuver out of your way. When you're done, just velcro the floor back in. It might be worth a try. :-) On Tuesday, September 24, 2013 2:20:55 PM UTC-7, Kip Otteson wrote: Thanks, Tom. I was afraid of that type of inconvenience. I appreciate the post and info. Yes, I need to post photos. Now if only I can find a camera and keep it charged! The bane of my life. On Tuesday, September 24, 2013 7:30:49 PM UTC+7, Tom Harrop wrote: Hi Kip, I haven't tried that specific combo, but I have used Ortlieb panniers on a Tubus rear rack, with my large SaddleSack sitting on top. It worked fine in terms of everything being securely attached etc., but there was zero access to the contents of the panniers without removing the SaddleSack, so it was a matter of loading the panniers, attaching them to the bike, then attaching the SaddleSack. From memory it was possible, if a bit fiddly, to attach or remove the panniers with the SaddleSack already on the rack, but I guess that wouldn't work with Riv-style panniers. Sounds like you've got some great trips planned, don't forget to post some photos! Tom Germany. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/2fTi202OBpI/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: [RBW] Re: Anybody put a Large Saddlesack on top of Sackville Panniers?
Kip: If you do decide on the FR panniers, and would like to save some $$$, I have an unused set I'd be willing to part with. Tom From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kip Otteson Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 8:09 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Anybody put a Large Saddlesack on top of Sackville Panniers? Good tip on the floor. I didn't think of that. I'm thinking more and more of going with the Frost River panniers. They seem really nice and a less expensive option. On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 4:25 AM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.commailto:tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Kip Remember that the floor stiffener on your Saddlesack Large is removable. Maybe you don't need the stiffener when the Saddlesack is resting on top of the Toursacks, and without the stiffener, lifting the Saddlesack off of a pannier for access would be a little easier. The Saddlesack would be more like a blob that you could maneuver out of your way. When you're done, just velcro the floor back in. It might be worth a try. :-) On Tuesday, September 24, 2013 2:20:55 PM UTC-7, Kip Otteson wrote: Thanks, Tom. I was afraid of that type of inconvenience. I appreciate the post and info. Yes, I need to post photos. Now if only I can find a camera and keep it charged! The bane of my life. On Tuesday, September 24, 2013 7:30:49 PM UTC+7, Tom Harrop wrote: Hi Kip, I haven't tried that specific combo, but I have used Ortlieb panniers on a Tubus rear rack, with my large SaddleSack sitting on top. It worked fine in terms of everything being securely attached etc., but there was zero access to the contents of the panniers without removing the SaddleSack, so it was a matter of loading the panniers, attaching them to the bike, then attaching the SaddleSack. From memory it was possible, if a bit fiddly, to attach or remove the panniers with the SaddleSack already on the rack, but I guess that wouldn't work with Riv-style panniers. Sounds like you've got some great trips planned, don't forget to post some photos! Tom Germany. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/2fTi202OBpI/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving
