Re: [RBW] Re: BB Spindle Length for Sam/RH Crank

[Michael Doleman]

I'm not too concerned about it. I'm very careful with installation of all 
parts, and I will likely use dust-caps, anyway. I've got some pretty nifty 
older ones.


On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 8:22:20 AM UTC-7, Jan Heine wrote:
>
> The chrome on the bolts shouldn't flake off. You need to tighten those 
> bolts quite hard to seat the cranks properly. If the chrome flakes off, 
> that is a manufacturing defect – probably a little cutting oil residue 
> coating the surface during the chroming bath – and we'll replace the bolts 
> under warranty.
>
> Jan Heine
> Founder
> Compass Cycles
> www.compasscycle.com
>
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 8:12 AM, lconley  
> wrote:
>
>> Be careful installing the RH crank bolts if you are using them, the 
>> chrome looks nice but can be thick (tight in the socket or crank tool), and 
>> is not of particularly high quality - flakes off easily.
>>
>> Laing
>> Cocoa FL
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 10:29:27 AM UTC-4, Michael Doleman wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the great response, I appreciate it. And for the record, 
>>> someone did get back to me yesterday, and I placed an order. I went ahead 
>>> and got the recommended 110mm spindle, which is what I'd suspected would be 
>>> correct.
>>>
>>> I feel pretty confident in my knowledge, most of the time, and -- as you 
>>> say -- that it's totally not rocket science. The variables are few and 
>>> quantities known. But then I start seeing all sorts of different 
>>> information and it introduces a bit of doubt in my mind -- and it's a lot 
>>> of money to spend, so I want to be sure I'm getting it right.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I'm sure the crank will be great; I'm really looking forward to 
>>> putting a lot of miles on it.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: BB Spindle Length for Sam/RH Crank

[Jan Heine]

The chrome on the bolts shouldn't flake off. You need to tighten those
bolts quite hard to seat the cranks properly. If the chrome flakes off,
that is a manufacturing defect – probably a little cutting oil residue
coating the surface during the chroming bath – and we'll replace the bolts
under warranty.

Jan Heine
Founder
Compass Cycles
www.compasscycle.com

On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 8:12 AM, lconley  wrote:

> Be careful installing the RH crank bolts if you are using them, the chrome
> looks nice but can be thick (tight in the socket or crank tool), and is not
> of particularly high quality - flakes off easily.
>
> Laing
> Cocoa FL
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 10:29:27 AM UTC-4, Michael Doleman wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the great response, I appreciate it. And for the record,
>> someone did get back to me yesterday, and I placed an order. I went ahead
>> and got the recommended 110mm spindle, which is what I'd suspected would be
>> correct.
>>
>> I feel pretty confident in my knowledge, most of the time, and -- as you
>> say -- that it's totally not rocket science. The variables are few and
>> quantities known. But then I start seeing all sorts of different
>> information and it introduces a bit of doubt in my mind -- and it's a lot
>> of money to spend, so I want to be sure I'm getting it right.
>>
>> Anyway, I'm sure the crank will be great; I'm really looking forward to
>> putting a lot of miles on it.
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: BB Spindle Length for Sam/RH Crank

[lconley]

Be careful installing the RH crank bolts if you are using them, the chrome 
looks nice but can be thick (tight in the socket or crank tool), and is not 
of particularly high quality - flakes off easily.

Laing
Cocoa FL


On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 10:29:27 AM UTC-4, Michael Doleman wrote:

> Thanks for the great response, I appreciate it. And for the record, 
> someone did get back to me yesterday, and I placed an order. I went ahead 
> and got the recommended 110mm spindle, which is what I'd suspected would be 
> correct.
>
> I feel pretty confident in my knowledge, most of the time, and -- as you 
> say -- that it's totally not rocket science. The variables are few and 
> quantities known. But then I start seeing all sorts of different 
> information and it introduces a bit of doubt in my mind -- and it's a lot 
> of money to spend, so I want to be sure I'm getting it right.
>
> Anyway, I'm sure the crank will be great; I'm really looking forward to 
> putting a lot of miles on it.
>
>
>>

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[RBW] Re: BB Spindle Length for Sam/RH Crank

[Michael Doleman]

Thanks for the great response, I appreciate it. And for the record, someone 
did get back to me yesterday, and I placed an order. I went ahead and got 
the recommended 110mm spindle, which is what I'd suspected would be correct.

I feel pretty confident in my knowledge, most of the time, and -- as you 
say -- that it's totally not rocket science. The variables are few and 
quantities known. But then I start seeing all sorts of different 
information and it introduces a bit of doubt in my mind -- and it's a lot 
of money to spend, so I want to be sure I'm getting it right.

Anyway, I'm sure the crank will be great; I'm really looking forward to 
putting a lot of miles on it.


On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 5:45:45 PM UTC-7, Jan Heine wrote:
>
> Others already have answered, but to reaffirm from the manufacturer: Both 
> spindles – 110 and 113 – will work fine. With 135 mm spacing, your 
> chainline will be 2.5 mm further outward on the rear, so you can use a 
> longer spindle to move the front outward as well – unless you ride in the 
> big ring mostly, and it makes sense to put the chainline on the big ring 
> rather than half-way in between. 
>
> It's not rocket science, and these days, even the big makers fudge quite a 
> bit, with the chainline inward at the rear (to cram in all those extra 
> cogs) and outward at the front (to clear massive chainstays on aluminum 
> bikes). So the old 'iron-clad' road chainline of 43.5 mm from the bike's 
> centerline now is only a recommendation. We designed our René Herse cranks 
> to have a 'perfect' chainline, because it offers better shifting. Using 
> forged arms and careful design, we can make them slim enough to fit most 
> bikes that way, but if you need to go wider, it's easy to do with square 
> tapers – unlike cranks with integrated spindles, which tend to be designed 
> for the 'worst case.'
>
> In addition, with some bikes that are intended for wide tires, the 
> chainstays are very wide, and you have to space the cranks wider to clear.
>
> Regarding contacting Compass - sorry that our phone system has been 
> playing up. We are checking why it doesn't take messages. We usually return 
> customer service emails within a day or two. As a small company, we don't 
> have dedicated customer service staff just standing by... but on the 
> upside, the person who'll answer your question isn't just reading from a 
> script, but actually knows our products.
>
> Jan Heine
> Founder
> Compass Cycles
> www.compasscycle.com
>

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[RBW] Re: BB Spindle Length for Sam/RH Crank

[ted]

I have compass rh cranks with 28/44 rings and a 108 white ind B.B. on my 135 
rear old ahh.
Works fine for me.

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[RBW] Re: BB Spindle Length for Sam/RH Crank

[Jan Heine]

Others already have answered, but to reaffirm from the manufacturer: Both 
spindles – 110 and 113 – will work fine. With 135 mm spacing, your 
chainline will be 2.5 mm further outward on the rear, so you can use a 
longer spindle to move the front outward as well – unless you ride in the 
big ring mostly, and it makes sense to put the chainline on the big ring 
rather than half-way in between. 

It's not rocket science, and these days, even the big makers fudge quite a 
bit, with the chainline inward at the rear (to cram in all those extra 
cogs) and outward at the front (to clear massive chainstays on aluminum 
bikes). So the old 'iron-clad' road chainline of 43.5 mm from the bike's 
centerline now is only a recommendation. We designed our René Herse cranks 
to have a 'perfect' chainline, because it offers better shifting. Using 
forged arms and careful design, we can make them slim enough to fit most 
bikes that way, but if you need to go wider, it's easy to do with square 
tapers – unlike cranks with integrated spindles, which tend to be designed 
for the 'worst case.'

In addition, with some bikes that are intended for wide tires, the 
chainstays are very wide, and you have to space the cranks wider to clear.

Regarding contacting Compass - sorry that our phone system has been playing 
up. We are checking why it doesn't take messages. We usually return 
customer service emails within a day or two. As a small company, we don't 
have dedicated customer service staff just standing by... but on the 
upside, the person who'll answer your question isn't just reading from a 
script, but actually knows our products.

Jan Heine
Founder
Compass Cycles
www.compasscycle.com

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[RBW] Re: BB Spindle Length for Sam/RH Crank

[Belopsky]

TBH, you're buying a $400+ crank and are fretting over a $20 bottom 
bracket? You got a local shop that stocks UN-55? That'd be worth a go. You 
can also use a bb spacer to offset.

I used a 113mm JIS Phil Wood when I had a RH crank, but not on a Sam
On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 6:29:03 PM UTC-4, Michael Doleman wrote:
>
> Okay thanks for that. I appreciate it. I tend to take the word of the 
> crank maker, so when Compass says 110, that's what I'm inclined to go with. 
> Sounds right to me, and I definitely like a low Q, and want the chainline 
> to be right. The gearing combo I am using is such that -- like you -- I 
> want to be able to run any of my cogs with the big ring.
>
> Now, Roman at Rivendell has gotten back to me and told me to use a 118... 
> :-/ So I don't know quite what to think, now. I thought I understood bottom 
> brackets and such pretty well, but I admit this one has got me a little 
> confused...
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 3:15:51 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Yes you can use a 113.  It'll be fine.  If it were me, I'd probably run a 
>> 110 on a Hillborne because I'd want the narrowest q-factor possible, and 
>> because I also like to use the entire cassette with the big ring and only 
>> the lowest gears with the small ring.  Either is fine.  Use a $20 UN55 for 
>> starters if you aren't totally sure.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 3:07:34 PM UTC-7, Michael Doleman wrote:
>>>
>>> Been trying to call for quite a while -- last few days, and they never 
>>> seem to pick-up the phone, and have no way to leave a message, from what I 
>>> can tell. Have the question in to them as an email, and no one is getting 
>>> back to me :-/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 1:57:49 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:

 Okay , why not just tele call compass ?  They'd be happy to clarify it 
 for you. 



 On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 4:34:01 PM UTC-4, Michael Doleman wrote:
>
> 44/28 rings. Yes, saw the chart, but want to make sure I've got plenty 
> of room for heel clearance and also front derailleur, so basically just 
> wondering if it messes anything up by going with a 113 rather than the 
> recommended 110, or if I should just stick with that recommendation. Main 
> concern is that I'm assuming all the recommendations in the list are 
> based 
> on a frame with either 126 or 130 spacing.
>
> On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 1:14:24 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>>
>> It depends on your ring choice also !
>>
>> did you see their pdf file ?
>>
>>
>> https://www.compasscycle.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/skf_bb_chart.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 3:55:21 PM UTC-4, Michael Doleman wrote:
>>>
>>> Just got the notice that my new SH is on the way! WooHOO!
>>>
>>> I plan to use one of the Rene Herse revival cranks from Compass 
>>> Bicycles, but am not sure about spindle length. The Compass site 
>>> recommends 
>>> 110mm, but I assume that's for a normally-spaced, 130mm road bike. The 
>>> Sam 
>>> is 135 spacing, so I'm assuming I need a 113 or even longer, perhaps. 
>>> Anyone know?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: BB Spindle Length for Sam/RH Crank

[Michael Doleman]

Okay thanks for that. I appreciate it. I tend to take the word of the crank 
maker, so when Compass says 110, that's what I'm inclined to go with. 
Sounds right to me, and I definitely like a low Q, and want the chainline 
to be right. The gearing combo I am using is such that -- like you -- I 
want to be able to run any of my cogs with the big ring.

Now, Roman at Rivendell has gotten back to me and told me to use a 118... 
:-/ So I don't know quite what to think, now. I thought I understood bottom 
brackets and such pretty well, but I admit this one has got me a little 
confused...


On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 3:15:51 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Yes you can use a 113.  It'll be fine.  If it were me, I'd probably run a 
> 110 on a Hillborne because I'd want the narrowest q-factor possible, and 
> because I also like to use the entire cassette with the big ring and only 
> the lowest gears with the small ring.  Either is fine.  Use a $20 UN55 for 
> starters if you aren't totally sure.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 3:07:34 PM UTC-7, Michael Doleman wrote:
>>
>> Been trying to call for quite a while -- last few days, and they never 
>> seem to pick-up the phone, and have no way to leave a message, from what I 
>> can tell. Have the question in to them as an email, and no one is getting 
>> back to me :-/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 1:57:49 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>>>
>>> Okay , why not just tele call compass ?  They'd be happy to clarify it 
>>> for you. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 4:34:01 PM UTC-4, Michael Doleman wrote:

 44/28 rings. Yes, saw the chart, but want to make sure I've got plenty 
 of room for heel clearance and also front derailleur, so basically just 
 wondering if it messes anything up by going with a 113 rather than the 
 recommended 110, or if I should just stick with that recommendation. Main 
 concern is that I'm assuming all the recommendations in the list are based 
 on a frame with either 126 or 130 spacing.

 On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 1:14:24 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>
> It depends on your ring choice also !
>
> did you see their pdf file ?
>
>
> https://www.compasscycle.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/skf_bb_chart.pdf
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 3:55:21 PM UTC-4, Michael Doleman wrote:
>>
>> Just got the notice that my new SH is on the way! WooHOO!
>>
>> I plan to use one of the Rene Herse revival cranks from Compass 
>> Bicycles, but am not sure about spindle length. The Compass site 
>> recommends 
>> 110mm, but I assume that's for a normally-spaced, 130mm road bike. The 
>> Sam 
>> is 135 spacing, so I'm assuming I need a 113 or even longer, perhaps. 
>> Anyone know?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: BB Spindle Length for Sam/RH Crank

[Bill Lindsay]

Yes you can use a 113.  It'll be fine.  If it were me, I'd probably run a 
110 on a Hillborne because I'd want the narrowest q-factor possible, and 
because I also like to use the entire cassette with the big ring and only 
the lowest gears with the small ring.  Either is fine.  Use a $20 UN55 for 
starters if you aren't totally sure.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 3:07:34 PM UTC-7, Michael Doleman wrote:
>
> Been trying to call for quite a while -- last few days, and they never 
> seem to pick-up the phone, and have no way to leave a message, from what I 
> can tell. Have the question in to them as an email, and no one is getting 
> back to me :-/
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 1:57:49 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>>
>> Okay , why not just tele call compass ?  They'd be happy to clarify it 
>> for you. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 4:34:01 PM UTC-4, Michael Doleman wrote:
>>>
>>> 44/28 rings. Yes, saw the chart, but want to make sure I've got plenty 
>>> of room for heel clearance and also front derailleur, so basically just 
>>> wondering if it messes anything up by going with a 113 rather than the 
>>> recommended 110, or if I should just stick with that recommendation. Main 
>>> concern is that I'm assuming all the recommendations in the list are based 
>>> on a frame with either 126 or 130 spacing.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 1:14:24 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:

 It depends on your ring choice also !

 did you see their pdf file ?

 https://www.compasscycle.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/skf_bb_chart.pdf



 On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 3:55:21 PM UTC-4, Michael Doleman wrote:
>
> Just got the notice that my new SH is on the way! WooHOO!
>
> I plan to use one of the Rene Herse revival cranks from Compass 
> Bicycles, but am not sure about spindle length. The Compass site 
> recommends 
> 110mm, but I assume that's for a normally-spaced, 130mm road bike. The 
> Sam 
> is 135 spacing, so I'm assuming I need a 113 or even longer, perhaps. 
> Anyone know?
>
> Thanks.
>


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[RBW] Re: BB Spindle Length for Sam/RH Crank

[Michael Doleman]

Been trying to call for quite a while -- last few days, and they never seem 
to pick-up the phone, and have no way to leave a message, from what I can 
tell. Have the question in to them as an email, and no one is getting back 
to me :-/



On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 1:57:49 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>
> Okay , why not just tele call compass ?  They'd be happy to clarify it for 
> you. 
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 4:34:01 PM UTC-4, Michael Doleman wrote:
>>
>> 44/28 rings. Yes, saw the chart, but want to make sure I've got plenty of 
>> room for heel clearance and also front derailleur, so basically just 
>> wondering if it messes anything up by going with a 113 rather than the 
>> recommended 110, or if I should just stick with that recommendation. Main 
>> concern is that I'm assuming all the recommendations in the list are based 
>> on a frame with either 126 or 130 spacing.
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 1:14:24 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>>>
>>> It depends on your ring choice also !
>>>
>>> did you see their pdf file ?
>>>
>>> https://www.compasscycle.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/skf_bb_chart.pdf
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 3:55:21 PM UTC-4, Michael Doleman wrote:

 Just got the notice that my new SH is on the way! WooHOO!

 I plan to use one of the Rene Herse revival cranks from Compass 
 Bicycles, but am not sure about spindle length. The Compass site 
 recommends 
 110mm, but I assume that's for a normally-spaced, 130mm road bike. The Sam 
 is 135 spacing, so I'm assuming I need a 113 or even longer, perhaps. 
 Anyone know?

 Thanks.

>>>

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[RBW] Re: BB Spindle Length for Sam/RH Crank

[Garth]

Okay , why not just tele call compass ?  They'd be happy to clarify it for 
you. 



On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 4:34:01 PM UTC-4, Michael Doleman wrote:
>
> 44/28 rings. Yes, saw the chart, but want to make sure I've got plenty of 
> room for heel clearance and also front derailleur, so basically just 
> wondering if it messes anything up by going with a 113 rather than the 
> recommended 110, or if I should just stick with that recommendation. Main 
> concern is that I'm assuming all the recommendations in the list are based 
> on a frame with either 126 or 130 spacing.
>
> On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 1:14:24 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>>
>> It depends on your ring choice also !
>>
>> did you see their pdf file ?
>>
>> https://www.compasscycle.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/skf_bb_chart.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 3:55:21 PM UTC-4, Michael Doleman wrote:
>>>
>>> Just got the notice that my new SH is on the way! WooHOO!
>>>
>>> I plan to use one of the Rene Herse revival cranks from Compass 
>>> Bicycles, but am not sure about spindle length. The Compass site recommends 
>>> 110mm, but I assume that's for a normally-spaced, 130mm road bike. The Sam 
>>> is 135 spacing, so I'm assuming I need a 113 or even longer, perhaps. 
>>> Anyone know?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: BB Spindle Length for Sam/RH Crank

[Michael Doleman]

44/28 rings. Yes, saw the chart, but want to make sure I've got plenty of 
room for heel clearance and also front derailleur, so basically just 
wondering if it messes anything up by going with a 113 rather than the 
recommended 110, or if I should just stick with that recommendation. Main 
concern is that I'm assuming all the recommendations in the list are based 
on a frame with either 126 or 130 spacing.

On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 1:14:24 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>
> It depends on your ring choice also !
>
> did you see their pdf file ?
>
> https://www.compasscycle.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/skf_bb_chart.pdf
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 3:55:21 PM UTC-4, Michael Doleman wrote:
>>
>> Just got the notice that my new SH is on the way! WooHOO!
>>
>> I plan to use one of the Rene Herse revival cranks from Compass Bicycles, 
>> but am not sure about spindle length. The Compass site recommends 110mm, 
>> but I assume that's for a normally-spaced, 130mm road bike. The Sam is 135 
>> spacing, so I'm assuming I need a 113 or even longer, perhaps. Anyone know?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: BB Spindle Length for Sam/RH Crank

[Garth]

It depends on your ring choice also !

did you see their pdf file ?

https://www.compasscycle.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/skf_bb_chart.pdf



On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 3:55:21 PM UTC-4, Michael Doleman wrote:
>
> Just got the notice that my new SH is on the way! WooHOO!
>
> I plan to use one of the Rene Herse revival cranks from Compass Bicycles, 
> but am not sure about spindle length. The Compass site recommends 110mm, 
> but I assume that's for a normally-spaced, 130mm road bike. The Sam is 135 
> spacing, so I'm assuming I need a 113 or even longer, perhaps. Anyone know?
>
> Thanks.
>

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