[RBW] Re: Homer +1 discussion
Thanks all for the feedback. I think we can end this discussion. I am no longer in need of a +1. I just bought the Atlantis demo from Roman. The original brochure had that size fitting an 83 PBH instead of the 84 as on the page. So, I just squeezed into it. It's a 26 instead of 700, but should make a nice complement to my Homer. Thanks again. Tim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Homer +1 discussion
So, I've reasoned with myself to a N = 3 equation. One bike on the trainer, one bike to commute on, one bike for weekend riding. Who wants to mess with fenders and dirt when swapping wheels constantly or moving the bike on/off the trainer?.. Patrick's reasoning for having at least two bikes, in case one needs repairs is something I've certainly dealt with, when I wasn't able to drive. Get the Joe Appa – with your proportions requiring a 55 seat tube but a 57 top tube, it seems you could do really well setting up that bike with drop or dirt drop bars. And if you set it up with flats / bullmoose / jones / swept back bars, you can move the seat further back without detriment – very long chainstays will help maintain good balance. Plus, you can set it up with whatever tires you want, for an easy grab-n-go. (If I get off my duff to declutter my bike parts and bikes, I just might get something like that – the "paved" and gravel roads around here aren't getting any better. The only question is about sizing – I prefer drop bars on my bikes, but tend to need shorter TTs, so we'll see.) - Max in A2 On Thursday, February 22, 2018 at 1:38:16 PM UTC-5, Tim Butterfield wrote: > > There have been some great ideas, some I had not even thought of. Thanks > for the feedback. > > I do have a Wahoo Kickr, but the Snap variation instead. I got the Snap > because I wasn't sure the Kicker cassette would work with the 9-speed > crank/chain I'm using. The Snap seemed a safer gamble. So, that's the > trainer the Homer is on. > > The second rear wheel idea is a really good one. It would have the least > storage impact. And, while the Homer is on the trainer, it is using a > quick release axle instead of the PitLock it normally uses. The brakes are > Paul centerpulls, which loosen enough to squeeze the tire through. So, > I've got a few minutes on each end for the wheel swap and another few > minutes on each end just to get the the bike in and out of the RV. It's > tight in here. It would certainly be faster to swap just the wheel > instead of swapping the tire also. It seems there are a couple of down > sides to this approach. I would have to roll the (possibly) wet tires > through the RV living room before I used gloves to swap the rear wheel. > That could be a little messy. As tight as the RV is, there isn't really a > good way to carry it up the steps and around corners (over carpet) in order > to only set it down near the trainer. I don't have a dry outside area in > which to do this work. And, it isn't really the grab and go convenience I > would prefer. Thus, I'm still leaning towards a +1 approach. > > I don't think a Cheviot will work for me. I'm not sure about the mixte > style, but the sizing doesn't work well. I'm 5'10" with an 83.8 PBH. > According to the page, my PBH fits the 55cm while my 'typical rider height' > fits the 60cm. Neither fit within the same size frame. > > My Homer was my dream bike and what I ended up with when getting my first > bike after starting to full-time in the RV; not relocating a lot these > days, though. My Homer stays inside the RV, well protected, even in > summer. That's where it lives. A +1 bike will be an outside bike, locked > under a cover. It's tight enough living with one bike an the RV living > room. Two would be impossible. But, being outside will make it even more > convenient for a grab and go ride. The Sam was a recommendation when I > first got my Homer, being similar to the Homer, but lower cost. I have the > front and rear racks on the Homer, but have not really used it for a > grocery bike yet. That seems an appealing secondary use of a +1. I could > move my racks to the +1 and get a Compass CP-1 front rack to hold the dyno > light on the Homer along with a front bag and use a KlickFix mount saddle > bag if needed. I can use my weather resistant Cambrium saddle for the +1 > and get a nice Berthoud for the Homer. That keeps my Homer as the gofast > bike and for any longer rides I can work up to. The +1 can be non-gofast, > shorter ride focused. That would probably exclude the Roadin. Though it > could certainly do this, I'm not sure it's best for it. I don't see a Sam > available in my size, unless I wait for used or a new order to come in. > So, if I want it sooner, I'm probably down to either the silver 55 Joe > Appaloosa (maybe loaded, not touring use; yay, different color) or the > Frank Jones Sr. Unfortunately, the 55 FJSr is gone, but the 57 still fits, > though I'm tight to the low end of the PBH range. > > Tim > > > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at
[RBW] Re: Homer +1 discussion
There have been some great ideas, some I had not even thought of. Thanks for the feedback. I do have a Wahoo Kickr, but the Snap variation instead. I got the Snap because I wasn't sure the Kicker cassette would work with the 9-speed crank/chain I'm using. The Snap seemed a safer gamble. So, that's the trainer the Homer is on. The second rear wheel idea is a really good one. It would have the least storage impact. And, while the Homer is on the trainer, it is using a quick release axle instead of the PitLock it normally uses. The brakes are Paul centerpulls, which loosen enough to squeeze the tire through. So, I've got a few minutes on each end for the wheel swap and another few minutes on each end just to get the the bike in and out of the RV. It's tight in here. It would certainly be faster to swap just the wheel instead of swapping the tire also. It seems there are a couple of down sides to this approach. I would have to roll the (possibly) wet tires through the RV living room before I used gloves to swap the rear wheel. That could be a little messy. As tight as the RV is, there isn't really a good way to carry it up the steps and around corners (over carpet) in order to only set it down near the trainer. I don't have a dry outside area in which to do this work. And, it isn't really the grab and go convenience I would prefer. Thus, I'm still leaning towards a +1 approach. I don't think a Cheviot will work for me. I'm not sure about the mixte style, but the sizing doesn't work well. I'm 5'10" with an 83.8 PBH. According to the page, my PBH fits the 55cm while my 'typical rider height' fits the 60cm. Neither fit within the same size frame. My Homer was my dream bike and what I ended up with when getting my first bike after starting to full-time in the RV; not relocating a lot these days, though. My Homer stays inside the RV, well protected, even in summer. That's where it lives. A +1 bike will be an outside bike, locked under a cover. It's tight enough living with one bike an the RV living room. Two would be impossible. But, being outside will make it even more convenient for a grab and go ride. The Sam was a recommendation when I first got my Homer, being similar to the Homer, but lower cost. I have the front and rear racks on the Homer, but have not really used it for a grocery bike yet. That seems an appealing secondary use of a +1. I could move my racks to the +1 and get a Compass CP-1 front rack to hold the dyno light on the Homer along with a front bag and use a KlickFix mount saddle bag if needed. I can use my weather resistant Cambrium saddle for the +1 and get a nice Berthoud for the Homer. That keeps my Homer as the gofast bike and for any longer rides I can work up to. The +1 can be non-gofast, shorter ride focused. That would probably exclude the Roadin. Though it could certainly do this, I'm not sure it's best for it. I don't see a Sam available in my size, unless I wait for used or a new order to come in. So, if I want it sooner, I'm probably down to either the silver 55 Joe Appaloosa (maybe loaded, not touring use; yay, different color) or the Frank Jones Sr. Unfortunately, the 55 FJSr is gone, but the 57 still fits, though I'm tight to the low end of the PBH range. Tim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Homer +1 discussion
I agree completely that a second wheelset gives you two bikes in one. In PRACTICE, every time (100%) that I’ve set up two wheel sets for one frame, I’ve ended up using wheelset #2 as the justification to buy another frame. Maybe I have less impulse control than normal folks... Bill Lindsay El Cerrito Ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Homer +1 discussion
> " but two allows me to work on one, mess up, and still have a bike to ride while I sort out whatever mess I’ve created ..." That's so relatable: absolute best argument for tinkerers to have a +1. --Ed C. On Thursday, February 22, 2018 at 9:15:30 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: > > Ha, Bill. It’s never hard to get outside. The hard part is staying outside > whatever the weather while doing an aerobic activity, sweating, managing > moisture, stopping if/when needed/desired and keeping all digits warm and > happy. > > Tim, my reality isn’t too different from yours in some ways. I could be a > one bike (Hunqapillar) guy, but two allows me to work on one, mess up, and > still have a bike to ride while I sort out whatever mess I’ve created (like > deciding to swap drop outs. Sardonic grin.). Since I ride every day I can, > two bikes is nearly essential. How’s that for solid logic justification? > > With abandon, > Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Homer +1 discussion
I will second what both Deacon P and Bill said here. In that a single speed and geared bike that best suits most of the type of riding you do is a hard combo to beat. I am currently down to two bikes, Atlantis and Simple1. I would like to add anouther bike to the stable but am hard pressed to find anouther bike that would significantly add something different to the combo. of course a couple of the current web specials are tempting... best, Richard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Homer +1 discussion
You should be able to swap a wheel set out in 3 minutes or so, assuming you have brakes with wide release and don't have to fiddle with deflating/inflating tires. The trick is learning how to push the derailleur out of the way so you can get the rear wheel in. That does not have to be a greasy chore. Get cheapo plastic gloves in the plastics/garbage bag aisle at the grocery. A pair of plastic cheapo gloves can last quite a while and keep your hands clean while aligning the chain on the cassette. A box will cost a couple of bucks and last forever. The trick is to get on the middle chainring and pick your cassette ring before you swap and then swap to the same cassette ring on the alternate wheel. Do this 2 or 3 times and it becomes second nature. Why do this??? ===> Because you spent a ton of $$$ on that Homer and that's what you should ride. Not a cheaper "convenience" bike. When you have that hour... Ride the Big Dog. Will On Thursday, February 22, 2018 at 1:53:59 AM UTC-6, Tim Butterfield wrote: > > I started this in another thread specific to a Homer vs Roadini > comparison, but wanted to open the discussion to include other bikes. That > $10 gift card could get very expensive. > > Fitting another bike in our environment is a stretch and I don't really > need another bike at all, especially one that could be close stripped to my > Homer if I stripped it, which the Roadini might be. I wanted a one bike to > do it all when I got the Homer. It fits that role well. However, there > is one role during this time of the year, which it does not fit. It > wouldn't be today, though, because it snowed and I'm not as tough as > Patrick. > > Here in the PNW, the weather is mostly wet and often relatively cold from > late fall through early spring. During that period, my Homer is stuck > inside on a trainer with a trainer tire mounted. Then, along comes some > weather that is just absolutely gorgeous for a day or two. I could take > the Homer off the trainer, swap tires, go for an hour ride or so, swap > tires again, and put it back on the trainer. Or, I could just get on the > other bike and go. The percentage of ride vs 'renching is certainly better > with having a second bike. That means I'd get to do it more often last > minute when time frees up. That's one thing I like about having the Homer > on the trainer. If I feel like it and have a bit of time available, I can > just hop on it and spin, no wrenching needed. I guess if I practiced > swapping the tire more than twice a year, I might get the time down where > the ratio to swap and swap back isn't too large compared with the > relatively brief ride time. > > So, I'm not looking for a bike for any specific role other than available > to ride immediately. Though it can fit many roles, when on the trainer > stand, that is one role my Homer does not fit. For this role, almost any > +1 might suffice. A quick to access local ride would be either something > like a ten mile mostly flat loop or parts of it or a ride into/through town > and back, also mostly flat. > > I was originally thinking of maybe the stripped Roadini. But, it has been > pointed out a stripped Roadini is similar to a stripped Homer. Maybe I > need something just a bit different in case I want to trade off in summer > also. > > Hmmm. I never really thought of this, but just saw the Frank Jones Sr in > 55/57 available, both of which would fit my 83.8 PBH, though both are only > in the same Homer blue I have now. I haven't ridden single speed since I > was a kid. Not having done it for so long, I'm not really sure I see the > appeal of it very well, but I'm open to learning. I'm also not sure if my > out of shape-ness would work well on a single speed, though the mostly flat > terrain immediately surrounding me is good for it. The FJSr frame is more > expensive than the Roadini, but I'd likely save some in component costs. > > Any comments on this or other bikes I should consider as a +1 to a > stripped or not Homer would be appreciated. > > Thanks. > > Tim > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Homer +1 discussion
I can say that the Wahoo Kickr is the best trainer I've ever owned, and I've owned a few of them. Easy to remove a bike on and off and no tensioning of the tire needed. Great product. But, a second rear wheel is really the least expensive and still user friendly option. It's the way I did it for years. I had an aftermarket wheelset for my roadbike and used the OEM wheel as the trainer wheel. Seemed to work well. But...a second bike. Who could fault that? N+1!!! On Thursday, February 22, 2018 at 6:55:41 AM UTC-6, ted wrote: > I'd suggest getting a second rear wheel built with the same rim and hub > and cassette. Just swapping the wheel is much less trouble than changing > the tire, and one wheel and a cassette is much less expensive and takes up > a lot less room than another bike. Alternatively, there are fancy trainers > that replace the rear wheel (e.g. Wahoo Kicker). Though they are expensive > as trainers go, I think they're cheaper than a new Rivendell, and might > make your trainer time more enjoyable too. > > If you do go the second bike route, I think it's the new one that ends up > on the trainer. What with shorter daylight, puddles and whatnot, your Homer > is going to be what you want on the road in your use case. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Homer +1 discussion
You could get another wheel and cassette for using on the trainer so you can just swap wheels and go. It doesn't take much time to swap a wheel, takes up less space, and would certainly be cheaper than buying another bicycle. On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 11:53:59 PM UTC-8, Tim Butterfield wrote: > > I started this in another thread specific to a Homer vs Roadini > comparison, but wanted to open the discussion to include other bikes. That > $10 gift card could get very expensive. > > Fitting another bike in our environment is a stretch and I don't really > need another bike at all, especially one that could be close stripped to my > Homer if I stripped it, which the Roadini might be. I wanted a one bike to > do it all when I got the Homer. It fits that role well. However, there > is one role during this time of the year, which it does not fit. It > wouldn't be today, though, because it snowed and I'm not as tough as > Patrick. > > Here in the PNW, the weather is mostly wet and often relatively cold from > late fall through early spring. During that period, my Homer is stuck > inside on a trainer with a trainer tire mounted. Then, along comes some > weather that is just absolutely gorgeous for a day or two. I could take > the Homer off the trainer, swap tires, go for an hour ride or so, swap > tires again, and put it back on the trainer. Or, I could just get on the > other bike and go. The percentage of ride vs 'renching is certainly better > with having a second bike. That means I'd get to do it more often last > minute when time frees up. That's one thing I like about having the Homer > on the trainer. If I feel like it and have a bit of time available, I can > just hop on it and spin, no wrenching needed. I guess if I practiced > swapping the tire more than twice a year, I might get the time down where > the ratio to swap and swap back isn't too large compared with the > relatively brief ride time. > > So, I'm not looking for a bike for any specific role other than available > to ride immediately. Though it can fit many roles, when on the trainer > stand, that is one role my Homer does not fit. For this role, almost any > +1 might suffice. A quick to access local ride would be either something > like a ten mile mostly flat loop or parts of it or a ride into/through town > and back, also mostly flat. > > I was originally thinking of maybe the stripped Roadini. But, it has been > pointed out a stripped Roadini is similar to a stripped Homer. Maybe I > need something just a bit different in case I want to trade off in summer > also. > > Hmmm. I never really thought of this, but just saw the Frank Jones Sr in > 55/57 available, both of which would fit my 83.8 PBH, though both are only > in the same Homer blue I have now. I haven't ridden single speed since I > was a kid. Not having done it for so long, I'm not really sure I see the > appeal of it very well, but I'm open to learning. I'm also not sure if my > out of shape-ness would work well on a single speed, though the mostly flat > terrain immediately surrounding me is good for it. The FJSr frame is more > expensive than the Roadini, but I'd likely save some in component costs. > > Any comments on this or other bikes I should consider as a +1 to a > stripped or not Homer would be appreciated. > > Thanks. > > Tim > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Homer +1 discussion
Tim, I also agree with others, but might further suggest a new wheelset. This way if you want dirt riding, you can have one wheelset wear some knobbies, and the other wheelset for your light roadish tires. However, if you're looking for an excuse to buy a bike to begin with...i think the cheviot would be a nice choice to cover around town and leisurely rides. The Frank Jones SR also looks swell and I would get one as well. On Thursday, February 22, 2018 at 2:53:59 AM UTC-5, Tim Butterfield wrote: > > I started this in another thread specific to a Homer vs Roadini > comparison, but wanted to open the discussion to include other bikes. That > $10 gift card could get very expensive. > > Fitting another bike in our environment is a stretch and I don't really > need another bike at all, especially one that could be close stripped to my > Homer if I stripped it, which the Roadini might be. I wanted a one bike to > do it all when I got the Homer. It fits that role well. However, there > is one role during this time of the year, which it does not fit. It > wouldn't be today, though, because it snowed and I'm not as tough as > Patrick. > > Here in the PNW, the weather is mostly wet and often relatively cold from > late fall through early spring. During that period, my Homer is stuck > inside on a trainer with a trainer tire mounted. Then, along comes some > weather that is just absolutely gorgeous for a day or two. I could take > the Homer off the trainer, swap tires, go for an hour ride or so, swap > tires again, and put it back on the trainer. Or, I could just get on the > other bike and go. The percentage of ride vs 'renching is certainly better > with having a second bike. That means I'd get to do it more often last > minute when time frees up. That's one thing I like about having the Homer > on the trainer. If I feel like it and have a bit of time available, I can > just hop on it and spin, no wrenching needed. I guess if I practiced > swapping the tire more than twice a year, I might get the time down where > the ratio to swap and swap back isn't too large compared with the > relatively brief ride time. > > So, I'm not looking for a bike for any specific role other than available > to ride immediately. Though it can fit many roles, when on the trainer > stand, that is one role my Homer does not fit. For this role, almost any > +1 might suffice. A quick to access local ride would be either something > like a ten mile mostly flat loop or parts of it or a ride into/through town > and back, also mostly flat. > > I was originally thinking of maybe the stripped Roadini. But, it has been > pointed out a stripped Roadini is similar to a stripped Homer. Maybe I > need something just a bit different in case I want to trade off in summer > also. > > Hmmm. I never really thought of this, but just saw the Frank Jones Sr in > 55/57 available, both of which would fit my 83.8 PBH, though both are only > in the same Homer blue I have now. I haven't ridden single speed since I > was a kid. Not having done it for so long, I'm not really sure I see the > appeal of it very well, but I'm open to learning. I'm also not sure if my > out of shape-ness would work well on a single speed, though the mostly flat > terrain immediately surrounding me is good for it. The FJSr frame is more > expensive than the Roadini, but I'd likely save some in component costs. > > Any comments on this or other bikes I should consider as a +1 to a > stripped or not Homer would be appreciated. > > Thanks. > > Tim > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
