[RBW] Re: Low Normal Derailers
I have a low normal RD on my LHT used with friction downtube Simplex shifters and 8speed cassette. I have said here before that the 8 speed shifting is too easy, and I will likely replace it with 9speed when I wear out this chain. I do like it on a touring bike; if the cable ever broke it would rest in the large cog for easy (yet slow) 3speed pedaling to the next bike shop. I agree it takes a minor mental shift (pun intended) to get the shift I want, but its no real mental effort. Its my only bike with friction shifting so its the 'normal' now. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Low Normal Derailers
I used one with Silver bar-end shifters and never quite overcame the ingrained memory from using Suntour Bar-coms but it did shift crisply. I tried one on a bike with down-tube shifters and changed back to a high-normal RD after one ride as I couldn't do my normal one-handed double-shift at all. I do still have a long and a short-cage version of each in my parts box for a future project! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Low Normal Derailers
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Shimano-XT-RD-M760-Short-Cage-9-speed-Rapid-Rise-Rear-Derailleur-Silver-Black-/271263565270?pt=US_Derailleurs_Rearhash=item3f289185d6 On Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:34:33 PM UTC-6, William wrote: I like the RD-M751-GS in low normal very much and stockpiled them. On Tuesday, September 10, 2013 2:51:41 PM UTC-7, Larry H wrote: Are there any list members who are using or have in the past used low normal derailers. For the uninitiated, these are derailers with a spring that pulls the cage toward the largest cassette gear rather than the smallest. It appears that Shimano has discontinued all of their low normal derailers, but old stock is still available from various retailers. The nice thing would be that moving both Silver Shifters in the same direction would downshift, making it easier to pedal on climbs. Also, if your cable breaks, down you go to first gear rather than ninth (or eighteenth or whatever). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Low Normal Derailers
Time for more stockpiling!! On Friday, September 13, 2013 8:08:23 AM UTC-7, Z wrote: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Shimano-XT-RD-M760-Short-Cage-9-speed-Rapid-Rise-Rear-Derailleur-Silver-Black-/271263565270?pt=US_Derailleurs_Rearhash=item3f289185d6 On Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:34:33 PM UTC-6, William wrote: I like the RD-M751-GS in low normal very much and stockpiled them. On Tuesday, September 10, 2013 2:51:41 PM UTC-7, Larry H wrote: Are there any list members who are using or have in the past used low normal derailers. For the uninitiated, these are derailers with a spring that pulls the cage toward the largest cassette gear rather than the smallest. It appears that Shimano has discontinued all of their low normal derailers, but old stock is still available from various retailers. The nice thing would be that moving both Silver Shifters in the same direction would downshift, making it easier to pedal on climbs. Also, if your cable breaks, down you go to first gear rather than ninth (or eighteenth or whatever). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Low Normal Derailers
Short cage, so I'm safe. Have a few 32t cassettes, but mostly am slowly migrating to 36t. Then again, don't think I've had a short cage derailleur since the early 1980's. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 2:32 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Time for more stockpiling!! On Friday, September 13, 2013 8:08:23 AM UTC-7, Z wrote: http://www.ebay.com/itm/**Shimano-XT-RD-M760-Short-Cage-** 9-speed-Rapid-Rise-Rear-**Derailleur-Silver-Black-/**271263565270?pt=US_* *Derailleurs_Rearhash=**item3f289185d6http://www.ebay.com/itm/Shimano-XT-RD-M760-Short-Cage-9-speed-Rapid-Rise-Rear-Derailleur-Silver-Black-/271263565270?pt=US_Derailleurs_Rearhash=item3f289185d6 On Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:34:33 PM UTC-6, William wrote: I like the RD-M751-GS in low normal very much and stockpiled them. On Tuesday, September 10, 2013 2:51:41 PM UTC-7, Larry H wrote: Are there any list members who are using or have in the past used low normal derailers. For the uninitiated, these are derailers with a spring that pulls the cage toward the largest cassette gear rather than the smallest. It appears that Shimano has discontinued all of their low normal derailers, but old stock is still available from various retailers. The nice thing would be that moving both Silver Shifters in the same direction would downshift, making it easier to pedal on climbs. Also, if your cable breaks, down you go to first gear rather than ninth (or eighteenth or whatever). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Low Normal Derailers
I haven't had much trouble switching to low-normal from regular sequence derailleurs.I even have both types on different bikes and switch between them frequently.After the first couple of shifts, I no longer have to think about it. Bikes are otherwise set up differently though so maybe that has something to do with it. Matt On Thursday, September 12, 2013 3:51:10 AM UTC-4, bobish wrote: Iirc, I remember reading about these at various times in my cycling life. There were previous incarnations to this latest (now discontinued) model, no? Anyway, this would be like changing the gear shift sequence on a standard transmission car. Any improvement would be more than negated for me by having to think about shifting. Ymmv. • Perry -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Low Normal Derailers
Matt, thus the ymmv disclaimer. • Perry -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Low Normal Derailers
I have a Cyclo-Benelux Tourist derailer on my '54 Claud Butler, it works pretty good. The shifter has a friction damper wheel so you can adjust on the the fly. The horizontal spring derailers were all low normal. Simplex TdF, Cyclo-Benlux Mk7, Tourist etc. http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/cyclobenelux.html Scott G. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Low Normal Derailers
+1 on the XTR, particularly the M951 (with built-in rollamajiggy, if you can pick one up for a reasonable price on eBay)... Been using them for years, LOVE EM!!! BB On Thursday, September 12, 2013 9:44:08 AM UTC-4, bobish wrote: Matt, thus the ymmv disclaimer. • Perry -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Low Normal Derailers
How many rear cogs? Were they spaced wider than the later, bike boom standard 14-28 5 speeder? On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Scott G. sco...@primax.com wrote: I have a Cyclo-Benelux Tourist derailer on my '54 Claud Butler, it works pretty good. The shifter has a friction damper wheel so you can adjust on the the fly. The horizontal spring derailers were all low normal. Simplex TdF, Cyclo-Benlux Mk7, Tourist etc. http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/cyclobenelux.html Scott G. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Low Normal Derailers
I remember Benelux! I had something like the Standard on my second bike build, circa 1971 or 2, a Varsity (stripped and painted) with a new drivetrain consisting of an AW with two oppositely-dished cogs tack welded on the driver and the Benelux, found much to my surprise in a Nairobi shop -- most carried only Indian roadsters -- shimmed out to accommodate the 1/8 chain. It worked fine on the 2 cogs. I junked the 50 t ring and left the 40 and overall the system gave good ratios. I suppose the Alvit would have worked even better, but I junked it because the chain kept skipping, which I attributed to the Alvit. It was probably just a very worn chain. On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Scott G. sco...@primax.com wrote: I have a Cyclo-Benelux Tourist derailer on my '54 Claud Butler, it works pretty good. The shifter has a friction damper wheel so you can adjust on the the fly. The horizontal spring derailers were all low normal. Simplex TdF, Cyclo-Benlux Mk7, Tourist etc. http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/cyclobenelux.html Scott G. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Low Normal Derailers
On Tuesday, September 10, 2013 5:51:41 PM UTC-4, Larry H wrote: Are there any list members who are using or have in the past used low normal derailers. For the uninitiated, these are derailers with a spring that pulls the cage toward the largest cassette gear rather than the smallest. It appears that Shimano has discontinued all of their low normal derailers, but old stock is still available from various retailers. The nice thing would be that moving both Silver Shifters in the same direction would downshift, making it easier to pedal on climbs. Also, if your cable breaks, down you go to first gear rather than ninth (or eighteenth or whatever). For that very reason, Riv was a proponent of low-normal derailleurs. All three of mine have 'em, the two w/ bar-end shifters and the one w/ downtube shifters. Actually, all three have the exact same model, a long cage XT model... (M760-SGS). There was talk shortly after their discontinuation, of a possible alteration that could be made to high-normal ones (a relocation of how the spring pulls) to convert them to low-normal, in order to maintain them as an option, but, there were issues in doing such, and they went away. So, a lot of Rivs have them, up until the past year or so. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Low Normal Derailers
I like the RD-M751-GS in low normal very much and stockpiled them. On Tuesday, September 10, 2013 2:51:41 PM UTC-7, Larry H wrote: Are there any list members who are using or have in the past used low normal derailers. For the uninitiated, these are derailers with a spring that pulls the cage toward the largest cassette gear rather than the smallest. It appears that Shimano has discontinued all of their low normal derailers, but old stock is still available from various retailers. The nice thing would be that moving both Silver Shifters in the same direction would downshift, making it easier to pedal on climbs. Also, if your cable breaks, down you go to first gear rather than ninth (or eighteenth or whatever). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Low Normal Derailers
I have XTR low-normals (also known as rapid rise) on two bikes, and given a choice I wouldn't use anything else. I do have two other bikes with normal shifting (not enough low-normals to go around right now), but it's not an issue to go back and forth - they all have different kinds of shifters anyway. I suspect that if the low-normal style had been developed first, nobody would have bothered with the other way. What's the point? Andrew -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Low Normal Derailers
I've used the LX version. Think one of my bikes has one. (Maybe two). Hard to remember, as each has a different shifter. I like it. But if things were switched out for a normal derailleur, probably wouldn't notice. Wish they had kept them in the lineup, but can understand the folks who don't like them really don't like them. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Andrew Drummond andrew.d.drumm...@gmail.com wrote: I have XTR low-normals (also known as rapid rise) on two bikes, and given a choice I wouldn't use anything else. I do have two other bikes with normal shifting (not enough low-normals to go around right now), but it's not an issue to go back and forth - they all have different kinds of shifters anyway. I suspect that if the low-normal style had been developed first, nobody would have bothered with the other way. What's the point? Andrew -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Low Normal Derailers
I used one for seven years on my recently decommissioned commuter. It required direct and applied concentration to overcome decades of riding experience to run it right, symmetry of levers' movement or not. An interesting footnote is that the low normal derailleur springs pull the cage and pulleys to the biggest cog at rest. I have ha\d to replace the jockey wheels twice during its service, and I am talking about the pulleys gone wobbly and wonky, not tooth wear. I have never experienced that before. My hypothesis is that the natural and resting mode is to pull against the larger cog; force applied from the chain on the pulley wheel teeth to the lateral, stressing the bushing function and integrity. I am frankly amazed it shifted at all when I first saw and appreciated the level of debility. I'm talking upper pulley able to cant at 30° off chain line. New commuter has a normal RD. The wiring to operate that is very deep in my CNS and I can ride almost as a complete reflex, absent of any focussed thought. Perfect for the end of my 12-14 hour days riding home in the dark. Andy Cheatham Pittsburgh On Tuesday, September 10, 2013 5:51:41 PM UTC-4, Larry H wrote: Are there any list members who are using or have in the past used low normal derailers. For the uninitiated, these are derailers with a spring that pulls the cage toward the largest cassette gear rather than the smallest. It appears that Shimano has discontinued all of their low normal derailers, but old stock is still available from various retailers. The nice thing would be that moving both Silver Shifters in the same direction would downshift, making it easier to pedal on climbs. Also, if your cable breaks, down you go to first gear rather than ninth (or eighteenth or whatever). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
