[RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-06-10 Thread James / Analog Cycles
Late to the game here, but Sinewave headlights are perfectly suitable for 
singletrack use.  Combine with a Schmidt hub and you have a very reliable 
long term, hard wearing dynamo set up.  We use them on our bike packing 
mountain bikes.  Rock gardens, 2' deep puddles in class 4 roads, crashes 
off elevated bridges with a 30 lbs load, all fine.  

-James

On Wednesday, April 24, 2019 at 3:24:03 PM UTC-4, masmojo wrote:
>
> Grant posted the drawing with no explanation and every time I look at it I 
> scan the page looking for an explanation!? AND Nobody has mentioned 
> anything about it .  . . 
> So . . . here I go . . . 
> Looks like the Gus Boots in side profile, until you realize it's got a 
> twin curved top tube? Is it possible this is the "anniversary" bike? 
> Kinda what the internet calls an "Easter egg" these dayz? Maybe?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-05-09 Thread Philip Williamson
“Ready, smart, and darn pretty.” That’s my bike criteria too!
I have three dyno wheels and another hub in a box that I don’t even need. I’ve 
even turned the corner on battery taillights, but haven’t installed a dyno one 
yet. USB taillights fail me 5 or 8 times more often than a simple battery 
Pixeo. “Oh, they’re bright AF... YESTERDAY.”

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-30 Thread Joe Bernard
It's expensive, but it's on a vehicle most of us use every day. It's always 
there and it works. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-29 Thread Jim A
Generator lighting is expensive, but do any of you know anyone who has 
regretted it? I only hear glowing praise.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-29 Thread ted
True dat.
Finding used gear to buy can help, but dyno == luxury == $$$
That said shaped beam lithium battery usb charging lights aren’t cheep either.
Daylight is indeed one of God’s great bargains.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-29 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch
Ted, Kai, et al,

Yowza! At those prices I can ride a whole lotta daylight miles without a light. 
Grin.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-29 Thread Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY
I've had Shimano and SP hubs and ridden them in nasty bumpy gross goop for 
years. The light weight of the lamps makes them mostly stay put through the 
rough stuff, and the hubs keep rolling and sending out power no problems 
(knocking wood). Important would be to make your wire runs low profile and 
bash/tangle resistant. I've never understood the love of winding the wire 
around and around the rack struts. If said struts grind against some rock, 
I want metal on rock, not wire sandwiched between metal and rock. Lately 
I've been building my own racks with internal wiring to keep it safe at the 
bike rack and beyond, and modifying a nitto or tubus rack for internal runs 
isn't a huge deal so long as you're handy with a drill and thoughtful about 
hole placement. As for seeing, my nighttime single track riding has been 
mostly on trails I am fairly familiar with, so the lack of light leakage 
off to the sides and up isn't a huge issue, I actually like the spookiness 
of it. 
Get dynoed!
-Kai


On Monday, April 29, 2019 at 3:50:40 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Anyone have experience with a dyno set-up on a rig that frequents jouncy 
> singletrack who can report to the bomb-proofness on stupid stuff, not just 
> over a ride or two but several years, thorough all types of weather, muck, 
> mud splat, snow sludge, et al?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-29 Thread ted

DP asked :

On Monday, April 29, 2019 at 12:50:40 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Anyone have experience with a dyno set-up on a rig that frequents jouncy 
> singletrack who can report to the bomb-proofness on stupid stuff, not just 
> over a ride or two but several years, thorough all types of weather, muck, 
> mud splat, snow sludge, et al?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>

Patrick, my experience doesn't take in the degree of difficulty yours does 
but ...
I did regularly commute over a mixed terrain route that for most of that 
time included some uneven bits (they did do some "maintenance" that 
smoothed out some bits before I retired and stopped commuting). I rode my 
fixed gear SimpleOne with 33mm tires pumped up moderately hard. The first 
really nice headlight I had was a B Ixon IQ that used AA rechargeable 
batteries. Sooner than I would have liked that light took leave of its 
mount on a rough bit. After retrieving it from the trail side I noted the 
slots on the base of the light that held it to the mount were busted up, 
apparently the result of abuse by excess pounding. I epoxied the light to 
the mount and continued to use it til I picked up a used son-dlx front 
wheel and went to dyno lights. I never ever had any trouble with the dyno 
stuff. I've also never read about anybody complaining about problems with a 
dyno system related to rough riding environments, though as Steve notes 
there may not be many (or any folks) mountain biking single track with dyno 
rigged bikes.
I doubt well know how a dyno system would hold up under your use cases 
unless you get one and test it out. I hope you decide to do so and let us 
know how it goes.
regards,
ted.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-29 Thread hugh flynn
I'm no knuckle-dragger, the headbadge is a must!

I get your point, and agree. The names and the decals are added fun. My
point, quite simply, is that a good bike is a good bike with or without the
name on the downtube. The obverse is true too, but that's a conversation
for a different  forum.

Hugh "" Flynn
Newburyport, MA

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> For me, for better or worse, the decals and the model name and other
> possible flourishes are part and parcel of the bike. Clem's wouldn't be
> quite so klemish without that guy coming out of the manhole cover. Orosco
> pub has a cool head badge and a cool name, etc. (I left the voice
> recognition software interpretation of what I said. I think most will guess
> what model I was talking about!)
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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-29 Thread 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch
For me, for better or worse, the decals and the model name and other possible 
flourishes are part and parcel of the bike. Clem's wouldn't be quite so klemish 
without that guy coming out of the manhole cover. Orosco pub has a cool head 
badge and a cool name, etc. (I left the voice recognition software 
interpretation of what I said. I think most will guess what model I was talking 
about!)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-29 Thread Patrick Moore
K-Lite.

On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 2:16 PM Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> Dyno lights typically don't have a beam suitable for singletrack.
> On 4/29/19 3:50 PM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>
> Anyone have experience with a dyno set-up on a rig that frequents jouncy 
> singletrack who can report to the bomb-proofness on stupid stuff, not just 
> over a ride or two but several years, thorough all types of weather, muck, 
> mud splat, snow sludge, et al?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-29 Thread Joe Bernard
Maybe James or Candice from Analog can chime in here. They sold me the dyno-ed 
Atlantis and seem to ride primarily dirt roads; they should be able to vouch 
for how this stuff works on the bouncy bits. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-29 Thread maxcr
Deacon Patrick, check out 

https://www.sinewavecycles.com/products/sinewave-cycles-beacon

Pricey, but supposedly bomb proof and musa :)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-29 Thread Steve Palincsar
But in view of that fact, I think maybe it's unlikely there's much of a 
base of experience.


On 4/29/19 4:25 PM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

Good point, Steve. I'm not looking to night ride single track with a dyno, but 
to have it for day running lights on all the other bits.

With abandon,
Patrick


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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-29 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch
Good point, Steve. I'm not looking to night ride single track with a dyno, but 
to have it for day running lights on all the other bits.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-29 Thread Steve Palincsar

Dyno lights typically don't have a beam suitable for singletrack.

On 4/29/19 3:50 PM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

Anyone have experience with a dyno set-up on a rig that frequents jouncy 
singletrack who can report to the bomb-proofness on stupid stuff, not just over 
a ride or two but several years, thorough all types of weather, muck, mud 
splat, snow sludge, et al?

With abandon,
Patrick


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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-29 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch
Anyone have experience with a dyno set-up on a rig that frequents jouncy 
singletrack who can report to the bomb-proofness on stupid stuff, not just over 
a ride or two but several years, thorough all types of weather, muck, mud 
splat, snow sludge, et al?

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-29 Thread Leah Peterson
Wally. Oh my gosh. This is priceless - you nailed it! If I didn’t want it bad 
before, now that I know the Arkenstone could indeed by MINE, I must have My 
Precious!

And Steve - very enlightening description of dyno lighting! Thank you for that. 

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> On Apr 29, 2019, at 12:35 PM, Wally Estrella  wrote:
> 
> Capable? Ready for anything? INDEED!
> My dynohub equipped Quickbeam would get me into Isengard then onto Mordor and 
> beyond.  A dynohub and light is the Arkenstone for a bike.  Yes, even 'My 
> Precious' of an item to have.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Monday, April 29, 2019 at 3:19:50 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> Batteries are disheartening. I don’t know much else about dyno, but I don’t 
>> like batteries. If I understand correctly, YOU are the battery of a dyno, 
>> yes? 
>> 
>> Roberta, you’ll have to share everything you learn if you get dyno before I 
>> do! 
>> 
>> I think the description of how I like my bike set up is: CAPABLE. Ready for 
>> anything. I never want to worry about not having lights or not being able to 
>> carry something or having to compromise or settle. My End of the World Bike: 
>> Ready. Smart. And darn pretty.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-29 Thread Wally Estrella
Capable? Ready for anything? INDEED!
My dynohub equipped Quickbeam would get me into Isengard then onto Mordor 
and beyond.  A dynohub and light is the Arkenstone for a bike.  Yes, even 
'My Precious' of an item to have.




On Monday, April 29, 2019 at 3:19:50 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Batteries are disheartening. I don’t know much else about dyno, but I 
> don’t like batteries. If I understand correctly, YOU are the battery of a 
> dyno, yes? 
>
> Roberta, you’ll have to share everything you learn if you get dyno before 
> I do! 
>
> I think the description of how I like my bike set up is: CAPABLE. Ready 
> for anything. I never want to worry about not having lights or not being 
> able to carry something or having to compromise or settle. My End of the 
> World Bike: Ready. Smart. And darn pretty.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-29 Thread Steve Palincsar



On 4/29/19 3:19 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

Batteries are disheartening. I don’t know much else about dyno, but I don’t 
like batteries. If I understand correctly, YOU are the battery of a dyno, yes?



You are the power source.  The closest thing to a battery on a dynamo 
system is the standlight capacitor.  Battery stores charge, dissipates 
it over time, eventually dies - faster in the cold. Generator makes 
power as you go; run time is infinite, limited only by the rider, and 
temperature insensitive.  Also, as batteries age they lose capacity, so 
the system that this year may be good for 4 commutes in 3 years may dim 
out after 3 1/2.  And you never have to remember in advance with a 
generator system to charge it to get ready for use.  You forget you even 
have a dynamo system until you need it, at which point you flip a switch 
and there it is.



Roberta, you’ll have to share everything you learn if you get dyno before I do!

I think the description of how I like my bike set up is: CAPABLE. Ready for 
anything. I never want to worry about not having lights or not being able to 
carry something or having to compromise or settle. My End of the World Bike: 
Ready. Smart. And darn pretty.



Then a dynamo system is totally in line with your philosophy.




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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-29 Thread Steve Palincsar



On 4/29/19 3:15 PM, John McBurney wrote:
I agree, running a light in the daytime front and rear has meant fewer 
encounters with motorists. I have a dynamo only on the Bombadil but I 
really like it. My new Bush and Mueller IQ-X is always on I don’t have 
to think about it. I du have a rear light hooked up too but also run a 
bright 100 lumen daytime flasher on the rear.


I have done a lot of night riding both road group rides, mountain 
biking including 24 hour races and commuting. My first light - a Night 
Sun Team - back in the early 90s was such a revelation. We lived in 
the Puget Sound area and the winter days are so short. Being able to 
ride at night was life changing. Since them I’ve gone through multiple 
iterations of most all the major manufactures lights and ever 
improving batteries.


I have been skeptical about claims that the beam pattern of dynamo 
lights make them more effective. No more. The IQ-X is dramatically 
more effective than my brightest 1000 lumen light, partly because it 
doesn’t scatter light in my eyes, killing my night vision. I used to 
run a main light on the bike and a helmet light to be able to see to 
the sides. I don’t feel the need to as I no longer feel trapped in a 
light tunnel.





Many so called modern innovations really don't amount to anything very 
much beyond marketing, but lighting is a different story. The 
improvements in just the past 12 years in LED lights vs the best of the 
old halogen lights are dramatic.  The hubs have gotten better too.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-29 Thread Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
Batteries are disheartening. I don’t know much else about dyno, but I don’t 
like batteries. If I understand correctly, YOU are the battery of a dyno, yes? 

Roberta, you’ll have to share everything you learn if you get dyno before I do!

I think the description of how I like my bike set up is: CAPABLE. Ready for 
anything. I never want to worry about not having lights or not being able to 
carry something or having to compromise or settle. My End of the World Bike: 
Ready. Smart. And darn pretty.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-29 Thread John McBurney
I agree, running a light in the daytime front and rear has meant fewer
encounters with motorists. I have a dynamo only on the Bombadil but I
really like it. My new Bush and Mueller IQ-X is always on I don’t have to
think about it. I du have a rear light hooked up too but also run a bright
100 lumen daytime flasher on the rear.

I have done a lot of night riding both road group rides, mountain biking
including 24 hour races and commuting. My first light - a Night Sun Team -
back in the early 90s was such a revelation. We lived in the Puget Sound
area and the winter days are so short. Being able to ride at night was life
changing. Since them I’ve gone through multiple iterations of most all the
major manufactures lights and ever improving batteries.

I have been skeptical about claims that the beam pattern of dynamo lights
make them more effective. No more. The IQ-X is dramatically more effective
than my brightest 1000 lumen light, partly because it doesn’t scatter light
in my eyes, killing my night vision. I used to run a main light on the bike
and a helmet light to be able to see to the sides. I don’t feel the need to
as I no longer feel trapped in a light tunnel.

John

On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 2:47 PM masmojo  wrote:

> It's gotten to the point I almost never do a build without a dynamo. I
> started using them several years ago and with the lightness of the new hubs
> and the brightness of the new LED lights it's really a nobrainer.
> I run my lights all the time & I never realized how huge of a difference
> it made until the first time I rode without one. Suddenly,  people were
> pulling out right in front of me or cutting me off. I thought I was just
> having a bad day, until I got to work & realized "No light!"
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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-29 Thread masmojo
It's gotten to the point I almost never do a build without a dynamo. I started 
using them several years ago and with the lightness of the new hubs and the 
brightness of the new LED lights it's really a nobrainer. 
I run my lights all the time & I never realized how huge of a difference it 
made until the first time I rode without one. Suddenly,  people were pulling 
out right in front of me or cutting me off. I thought I was just having a bad 
day, until I got to work & realized "No light!"

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-29 Thread Steve Palincsar

*SONDelux SL= 412 gm*   (per Rene Herse site)


shimano XT Dyno Hub *DH-T8000-3D* the lightest dyno-hub Shimano makes, 
by about 100gm *weighs 485 g*


https://www.rivbike.com/products/shimano-dyno-hub-dh-3n80-18200

On 4/29/19 1:47 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:

I'm curious how much lighter the Schmidt hub is than the common Shimano ones. I 
pulled my Schmidt  wheel off recently (Cliffhanger rim) and was startled by how 
light it is.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-29 Thread Joe Bernard
I'm curious how much lighter the Schmidt hub is than the common Shimano ones. I 
pulled my Schmidt  wheel off recently (Cliffhanger rim) and was startled by how 
light it is. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-29 Thread REC (Roberta)
Wow, thank you!

I thought the Dyno setup would be pounds, not just an ounce, heavier.  I 
just weighed my USB headlight and it is 2.8 oz on the postal scale.  

Roberta

On Monday, April 29, 2019 at 1:10:00 PM UTC-4, maxcr wrote:

> I agree, dynohubs are money well spent.
>
> This is from an exchange I had with James @ Analog Cycles regarding 
> weight, here's what he said:
>
> "Out of curiosity, I weighed both systems.
>
> I put a standard front hub, good  rechargeable headlight, and battery 
> powered tail light on the postal scale.  17 oz.  
> I put a Schmidt hub and headlight and wired schmidt tail light on the same 
> scale.  17.5 oz.  
>
> So the Dynamo is heavier...by half an ounce!   But... ya never run out of 
> batteries."
>
> Max
>
> On Monday, April 29, 2019 at 12:14:53 PM UTC-4, ted wrote:
>>
>> I’ve never gone through a careful weight comparison of dyno vs battery 
>> light systems but I’d guestmate a wash or slightly lighter for the dyno 
>> setup. A dyno hub is a bit heavier than a regular one, but the dyno lights 
>> having no batteries are very light. Probably depend on how bright the 
>> battery lights you would use are and what run time (ie battery size) they 
>> have.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-29 Thread Mark Anderson
Neither the Clem-L, nor the Clem-H isn't a Clementine.  Clem is just as 
good a hypocorism for Clementine as it is for Clement.

Mark Anderson

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-29 Thread maxcr
I agree, dynohubs are money well spent.

This is from an exchange I had with James @ Analog Cycles regarding weight, 
here's what he said:

"Out of curiosity, I weighed both systems.

I put a standard front hub, good  rechargeable headlight, and battery 
powered tail light on the postal scale.  17 oz.  
I put a Schmidt hub and headlight and wired schmidt tail light on the same 
scale.  17.5 oz.  

So the Dynamo is heavier...by half an ounce!   But... ya never run out of 
batteries."

Max

On Monday, April 29, 2019 at 12:14:53 PM UTC-4, ted wrote:
>
> I’ve never gone through a careful weight comparison of dyno vs battery 
> light systems but I’d guestmate a wash or slightly lighter for the dyno 
> setup. A dyno hub is a bit heavier than a regular one, but the dyno lights 
> having no batteries are very light. Probably depend on how bright the 
> battery lights you would use are and what run time (ie battery size) they 
> have.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-29 Thread ted
I’ve never gone through a careful weight comparison of dyno vs battery light 
systems but I’d guestmate a wash or slightly lighter for the dyno setup. A dyno 
hub is a bit heavier than a regular one, but the dyno lights having no 
batteries are very light. Probably depend on how bright the battery lights you 
would use are and what run time (ie battery size) they have.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-29 Thread Joe Bernard
The entirely surprising thing I've found with having front and rear dyno 
lighting on my Atlantis is I really like having daytime running lights. I 
bought the bike as a demo from Analog Cycles and didn't have a choice about the 
lights; I wanted THAT bike and that's what was on it. My schedule currently 
doesn't permit night riding so I figured I'd have no use for the dyno, but I 
use it all the time. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-29 Thread REC (Roberta)

I don't ride too much in the dark these days, but I do it as it gets dark 
to the end of my ride.  I currently use USB rechargeables. I remember in 
college having a light generator that looked like an old soda bottle.  I 
flipped it down for contact on the wheel to generate the light.  I did like 
that, because in college I rode in the dark a lot.

How much weight do dyno lights add?  I'm already struggling with the weight 
of my Appaloosa with accessories when I need to lift and carry it.

Roberta

On Monday, April 29, 2019 at 11:27:20 AM UTC-4, ted wrote:

> Hear, hear. Outside of commuting I rarely if ever ride in the dusk or 
> dark, and before I got a dyno setup I thought dealing with recharging 
> batteries wasn’t a big deal. But when I got the dyno, who boy that’s just 
> fantastic. Some of the best money I’ve ever spent. 
> If you ride when lights are appropriate hardly at all, I strongly 
> recommend a dyno hub with front and rear lights (I particularly like the 
> b line tail light).

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-29 Thread ted
Hear, hear. Outside of commuting I rarely if ever ride in the dusk or dark, and 
before I got a dyno setup I thought dealing with recharging batteries wasn’t a 
big deal. But when I got the dyno, who boy that’s just fantastic. Some of the 
best money I’ve ever spent. 
If you ride when lights are appropriate hardly at all, I strongly recommend a 
dyno hub with front and rear lights (I particularly like the b line tail 
light).

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-29 Thread Wally Estrella
Adding a dynohub just makes it extremely more useful.  I was indecisive for 
years on getting a dynohub set-up.  I've literally lost as many lights on 
the trail and to aged batteries than I have into a laced up dynohub.  
 After the first night ride out I was so glad for the purchase.  No worries 
to ensure lights get charged, lights then get put on to the bike or in 
bag.  Also, I'm often out for hours on the trail (or road) in the dark.  
Having something that burns out after 1.5-2 hours versus something that 
just keeping burning the light wins it for me.

It seems you are as excited for this new anniversary bike as I am for a GBW 
production to be announced! 



On Sunday, April 28, 2019 at 11:13:12 AM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> How long do you think before Rivendell lets us in on the details of the 
> Anniversary Mixte? I’ve been planning out my new bike in my head and 
> someone needs to hit me with a reality check soon, because I’ve had too 
> much time to “decide” that this bike is going to be everything I want. The 
> bike is red in my head and there has been ZERO hint of that from the 
> drawing, ha. I’ve also decided to make it extremely expensive with dyno 
> lighting and the new rumored basket rack and fancy new Backabike bags and 
> alll the trimmings. I’ve also decided no one else should have my Betty 
> and I should horde that bike, regardless of whether I even have room in the 
> garage. I think I understand dragon sickness (see the Chronicles of 
> Narnia). 
>
> Send help. 
> Leah

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-28 Thread Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
Also, someone tell the folks in charge that we want an inconspicuous decal that 
says, “One Bike To Rule Them All.” 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-28 Thread Leah Peterson
* it not IG 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 28, 2019, at 11:53 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
> 
> Ha ha, I did get to visit with the powers that be at RBW just a bit. I didn’t 
> want to push so I didn’t ask enough questions and then I was interrupted by 
> exuberant family members (“What color bike should I get?!? ) so IG was hard 
> to complete a thought. Red did not seem to be the preferred color, however...
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2019, at 10:27 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>> 
>> Hehe, I'm fairly certain Our Leah got as much out of the Riv crew as they 
>> were willing to give up at the moment 
>> 
>> I also suggested custom paint from Rick at D if it comes to that. And it 
>> may for me: That young lady has got me so spun up for The Perfect 
>> Anniversary Mixte In Red that I think I will be in shock if it shows up in 
>> any other color. It must me Bicycle Belle Red!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-28 Thread Leah Peterson
Ha ha, I did get to visit with the powers that be at RBW just a bit. I didn’t 
want to push so I didn’t ask enough questions and then I was interrupted by 
exuberant family members (“What color bike should I get?!? ) so IG was hard to 
complete a thought. Red did not seem to be the preferred color, however...

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 28, 2019, at 10:27 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Hehe, I'm fairly certain Our Leah got as much out of the Riv crew as they 
> were willing to give up at the moment 
> 
> I also suggested custom paint from Rick at D if it comes to that. And it 
> may for me: That young lady has got me so spun up for The Perfect Anniversary 
> Mixte In Red that I think I will be in shock if it shows up in any other 
> color. It must me Bicycle Belle Red!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-28 Thread Joe Bernard
Hehe, I'm fairly certain Our Leah got as much out of the Riv crew as they were 
willing to give up at the moment 

I also suggested custom paint from Rick at D if it comes to that. And it may 
for me: That young lady has got me so spun up for The Perfect Anniversary Mixte 
In Red that I think I will be in shock if it shows up in any other color. It 
must me Bicycle Belle Red!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-28 Thread sameness
Based on nothing but a hunch, I'd bet it will be That Blue. 

Also, weren't you just at WCHQ? Why didn't you grab the man himself by the 
hobo bandana scruff and commence inquisition mode?

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Sunday, April 28, 2019 at 8:13:12 AM UTC-7, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> How long do you think before Rivendell lets us in on the details of the 
> Anniversary Mixte? I’ve been planning out my new bike in my head and 
> someone needs to hit me with a reality check soon, because I’ve had too 
> much time to “decide” that this bike is going to be everything I want. The 
> bike is red in my head and there has been ZERO hint of that from the 
> drawing, ha. I’ve also decided to make it extremely expensive with dyno 
> lighting and the new rumored basket rack and fancy new Backabike bags and 
> alll the trimmings. I’ve also decided no one else should have my Betty 
> and I should horde that bike, regardless of whether I even have room in the 
> garage. I think I understand dragon sickness (see the Chronicles of 
> Narnia). 
>
> Send help. 
> Leah

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-28 Thread dougP
If it's going to be "extremely expensive" anyway, if the standard color is 
not to your liking, why not see what Rivendell can do about a custom paint 
job?  

dougP

On Sunday, April 28, 2019 at 8:13:12 AM UTC-7, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> How long do you think before Rivendell lets us in on the details of the 
> Anniversary Mixte? I’ve been planning out my new bike in my head and 
> someone needs to hit me with a reality check soon, because I’ve had too 
> much time to “decide” that this bike is going to be everything I want. The 
> bike is red in my head and there has been ZERO hint of that from the 
> drawing, ha. I’ve also decided to make it extremely expensive with dyno 
> lighting and the new rumored basket rack and fancy new Backabike bags and 
> alll the trimmings. I’ve also decided no one else should have my Betty 
> and I should horde that bike, regardless of whether I even have room in the 
> garage. I think I understand dragon sickness (see the Chronicles of 
> Narnia). 
>
> Send help. 
> Leah

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-28 Thread Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
How long do you think before Rivendell lets us in on the details of the 
Anniversary Mixte? I’ve been planning out my new bike in my head and someone 
needs to hit me with a reality check soon, because I’ve had too much time to 
“decide” that this bike is going to be everything I want. The bike is red in my 
head and there has been ZERO hint of that from the drawing, ha. I’ve also 
decided to make it extremely expensive with dyno lighting and the new rumored 
basket rack and fancy new Backabike bags and alll the trimmings. I’ve also 
decided no one else should have my Betty and I should horde that bike, 
regardless of whether I even have room in the garage. I think I understand 
dragon sickness (see the Chronicles of Narnia).

Send help.
Leah

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-28 Thread hugh flynn
Meh. While I really enjoy Rivendell's approach to decal design and naming,
I'd buy and ride them with no decals. Hell, I'd probably prefer it.

Love the headbadges though.

Hugh "A nice bike by any name would ride just as well" Flynn
Newburyport, MA


On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 1:55 AM Corwin  wrote:

> I agree completely about Rivs wearing Rivendell decals. One of several
> reasons I got a custom instead of a Roadeo.
>
> Namaste,
>
>
> Corwin
>
> On Thursday, April 25, 2019 at 2:08:26 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
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>> My super unpopular opinion: I wish they all were identifiable as
>> Rivendells from across the street, and had the model name in small letters
>> on the toptube.
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[RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-27 Thread Corwin
I agree completely about Rivs wearing Rivendell decals. One of several 
reasons I got a custom instead of a Roadeo.

Namaste,


Corwin

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> My super unpopular opinion: I wish they all were identifiable as 
> Rivendells from across the street, and had the model name in small letters 
> on the toptube. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-25 Thread dougP
Keep imagining.  Odd things can happen, and the RBWHQ seems to be pretty 
creative.  And by anyone's measure, you & your family qualify as Good 
Customers. 

dougP

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> LOL, Joe! Will never happen but it’s funny to imagine. 
>
> > On Apr 25, 2019, at 8:58 AM, Joe Bernard  > wrote: 
> > 
> > I believe the Anniversary Bike will be labeled Rivendell. I vote for a 
> small additional Bicycle Belle Ding Ding decal! 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-25 Thread Leah Peterson
Oh my gosh, Dave. ❤️

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> On Apr 25, 2019, at 5:10 PM, 'Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch 
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> Dame Leah Belleding?  It sure beats Frank Jones Sr.  
> 
>> On Thursday, April 25, 2019 at 11:34:59 AM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
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>> Agree. Would not be a lot to ask for just one bike model to be named after a 
>> woman. 
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[RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-25 Thread 'Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch
Dame Leah Belleding?  It sure beats Frank Jones Sr.  

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> Agree. Would not be a lot to ask for just one bike model to be named after 
> a woman. 

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[RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-25 Thread 'Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch
Dame Leah Belleding?  It sure beats Frank Jones Sr.  

Would not be a lot to ask for just one bike model to be named after a 
> woman. 

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[RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-25 Thread REC (Roberta)
I have had a few people recognize it and comment "nice Riv," but I agree, 
from a marketing perspective.  

On one group ride, someone was admiring my bike saying how lovely it was 
and how much thought I must have put into each  detail  (the "thought" 
would have come from Rivendell and James from Analogue Cycles; the only 
thing I choose was the color of the bar tape).  He then said, 
""Appaloosa???  I never heard of that company.  Good thing it isn't a 
Rivendell, because that would have made it more expensive."  

On Thursday, April 25, 2019 at 5:08:26 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:

> My super unpopular opinion: I wish they all were identifiable as 
> Rivendells from across the street, and had the model name in small letters 
> on the toptube. 

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[RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-25 Thread Joe Bernard
My super unpopular opinion: I wish they all were identifiable as Rivendells 
from across the street, and had the model name in small letters on the toptube. 

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[RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-25 Thread jandrews
Regarding the namesIn general , I find the gendered names of the frames 
a little annoying.  I always cringed that the earlier mixte was the Betty. 
  Applying masculine names to the other "normal" bikes is equally 
problematic.
I love the names Atlantis, Saluki, Cheviot, Hunqapillar, etc.   Love the 
name Appaloosa, I would be happier without the Joe in front.  Same goes for 
the Sam.
I think Clementine is an awesome name and I wish both the L and H were 
Clementines.




On Thursday, April 25, 2019 at 1:13:15 PM UTC-4, masmojo wrote:
>
> I have a Clementine & of any issues I might have with it, the name is not 
> one of them. But, then again the first bike I ever got new, was a Royce 
> Union 3speed in a ladies step through! My friends made fun of me for  a 
> week or so, but I could wup any of them on their Stingrays in a race, so 
> that diffused a lot of their comments.
>
> To a Rivendell enthusiast the names are just what they are, but I did get 
> a bit of pause from the police officer when I  told him the name of my 
> stolen bike was a Rosco Bubbe. 
>
> The average Joe is going to assume a girls name on a step through frame 
> denotes a ladies bike. When the giant Clem L's came out I sent a link to my 
> very tall friend; without even looking at the size he responded that his 
> wife didn't need a new bike! 
>
> Preconceptions are hard to undermine.
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[RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-25 Thread masmojo
I have a Clementine & of any issues I might have with it, the name is not one 
of them. But, then again the first bike I ever got new, was a Royce Union 
3speed in a ladies step through! My friends made fun of me for  a week or so, 
but I could wup any of them on their Stingrays in a race, so that diffused a 
lot of their comments.

To a Rivendell enthusiast the names are just what they are, but I did get a bit 
of pause from the police officer when I  told him the name of my stolen bike 
was a Rosco Bubbe. 

The average Joe is going to assume a girls name on a step through frame denotes 
a ladies bike. When the giant Clem L's came out I sent a link to my very tall 
friend; without even looking at the size he responded that his wife didn't need 
a new bike! 

Preconceptions are hard to undermine.

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[RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-25 Thread Garth

Of course you can wish  and let it be known !  

I really LOVE bikes that have distinctive color.  When the 64 Clem-L came 
out (it's hard to even say that silly name, it's like naming your daughter 
Pete-L !)  when I saw it was colored Grilver my heart sank to the 
floor.  It was like offering the Coookie Monster a box of plain ol' 
crackers . Not num num !  The heart wants what the heart wants  and and 
all "reasoning" is powerless in It's Presence . 

Of course it coulda been repainted Orange or whatever and renamed 
Clementine but at a considerable extra expense with shipping. Nah ! 



On Thursday, April 25, 2019 at 11:34:59 AM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Agree. Would not be a lot to ask for just one bike model to be named after 
> a woman. But, hope springs eternal - maybe the Anniversary Mixte will have 
> a feminine name! My hopes are so high for this bike. I should probably 
> settle down until I actually have some cold, hard facts. 
>
> I am pulling for fat tires, step-through top tubes, Rivendell head badge, 
> fancy lugs, and red paint with cream accents. Hey, even nobodies like me 
> can have wish lists, right? 
> 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-25 Thread Leah Peterson
LOL, Joe! Will never happen but it’s funny to imagine.

> On Apr 25, 2019, at 8:58 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
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[RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-25 Thread Joe Bernard
I believe the Anniversary Bike will be labeled Rivendell. I vote for a small 
additional Bicycle Belle Ding Ding decal!

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[RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-25 Thread Coal Bee Rye Anne
I was greatly tempted to buy one of the last remaining decal-less green 65cm 
Clem H frames and choose the over clear coat Clementine decals as a complement 
to my mustard Clem Smith Jr. badged 65cm Clem H.  Unfortunately that was simply 
too indulgent and I just couldn’t (and still can’t) justify the expense for a 
duplicate frame.

Brian Cole 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-25 Thread John McBurney
How about Gold berry?

John



On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 11:35 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Agree. Would not be a lot to ask for just one bike model to be named after
> a woman. But, hope springs eternal - maybe the Anniversary Mixte will have
> a feminine name! My hopes are so high for this bike. I should probably
> settle down until I actually have some cold, hard facts.
>
> I am pulling for fat tires, step-through top tubes, Rivendell head badge,
> fancy lugs, and red paint with cream accents. Hey, even nobodies like me
> can have wish lists, right?
> 
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[RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-25 Thread Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
Agree. Would not be a lot to ask for just one bike model to be named after a 
woman. But, hope springs eternal - maybe the Anniversary Mixte will have a 
feminine name! My hopes are so high for this bike. I should probably settle 
down until I actually have some cold, hard facts.

I am pulling for fat tires, step-through top tubes, Rivendell head badge, fancy 
lugs, and red paint with cream accents. Hey, even nobodies like me can have 
wish lists, right?


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[RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-25 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch
Aye, Garth. None of my lassies or wife wants a Clem L, but they all want a 
Clementine. So far, the 3/5th of them that have a Rivendell (because they're 
old enough to fit the medium, which is likely their adult size), have 
Clementines. They'd rather buy a used Clementine than a new Clem L.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-25 Thread Garth


The general idea is that this is referring to a male and female version of 
the Hilly Bike, like the Betty/Gomez and Clem/Clementine-His/Ladies.  Yes, 
the other frame likely the Anniversary one.  
 
My own comment about the male/female names It's a darn shame Riv caved 
in for whatever reason and changed Clementine to Clem-L. Clementine was and 
is the best name ever for that bike. Oh m' darlin' Clementine  where 
art thou m' darlin' Clementine ? !There's no polite way to say 
it.Clem-L just plain sucks !  Ahahahahaaha ! 


I don't know what kind of device you're viewing on, but it sounds as if you 
are using a mobile device with a browser that either doesn't have text 
reflow (rearranges the text as you make the page larger/smaller,) or it 
does have it and it's not turned on via the setting of that particular 
browser. Also, try switching between desktop and mobile versions of pages. 


On Wednesday, April 24, 2019 at 4:25:31 PM UTC-4, masmojo wrote:
>
> I didn't really read those thumbnails before, because (at least on my 
> computer) the photos & attachments are never "clickable", in other words I 
> can't pull them out & enbiggen them to read them without enlarging the 
> whole web page.
> If you follow the copy down the rabbit hole it does mention 2 (or 3?) 
> Other bikes!? Seems ambitious! Still, the double toptube mixte would seem 
> to be the fabled 25 anniversary bike.
> Fingers crossed!

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[RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-24 Thread masmojo
I didn't really read those thumbnails before, because (at least on my computer) 
the photos & attachments are never "clickable", in other words I can't pull 
them out & enbiggen them to read them without enlarging the whole web page.
If you follow the copy down the rabbit hole it does mention 2 (or 3?) Other 
bikes!? Seems ambitious! Still, the double toptube mixte would seem to be the 
fabled 25 anniversary bike.
Fingers crossed!

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[RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

2019-04-24 Thread Garth

There was some about it here  
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/rbw-owners-bunch/Ya-zjaUyqcw/FtFuGNm1AgAJ 
. 

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