Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Frame Fitment Update
Based on Avery's experience decided to put drops on my Sam Hillborne. Also with a Dirt Drop stem. Only had one 30 mile ride on it so far. Definitely is different. Still haven't decided it will stay this way or not. The reach to the bars is still about one inch further than my personal ideal. If my weight wasn't so high right now, it would be easier, of course. Did find my Nitto 115 bars which have a shorter reach, so that helps. And a good chunk of yesterday's ride was into a 25 mph headwind, which kept me on the hoods or in the drops. Will give it a month or two. Current setup here - https://www.flickr.com/photos/14126468@N05/13747187905/ Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 9:37 PM, Brian Campbell bdcampbel...@gmail.comwrote: I am 190 and running my Barlow Pass tires at 65 rear and 60 front. I may try an go a bit lower to see if things get better (they areally nice as is). It is all pretty subjective when it comes to preference. Start somewhere, keep track and experiment. Road surface, conditioning, length of ride, mood, amount of sleep, weather will all play a role/ :0 On Monday, April 7, 2014 10:18:07 PM UTC-4, ted wrote: In my last exchange with Jan he asserted rolling resistance was basically i dependent of tire pressure, baring riding flat tires and very high pressures (or maybe it was ultra high). I don't think he mentioned 15% drop. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Frame Fitment Update
Patrick, I hope you were able to get out for a ride today, and that you had a wonderful time. I posted in response to another posters suggestion to search for berto tire pressure. Doing so should turn up: http://www.bccclub.org/documents/Tireinflation.pdf. That article, or an earlier version of it which was published in Bicycling, seems to be the primary source for most, if not all, of the graphs, spreadsheets and apps dealing with tire pressure as a function of load and tire width that are all over over the internet and comprise a lot of what a google search for berto tire pressure turns up. In that article the author (Frank Berto) describes/defines tire drop, and asserts that ... the optimum inflation pressure for comfort and rolling resistance produces a Tire Drop of about 15% of W (the section width) The paper also presents graphs, derived from experiments with a variety of tires, that give tire pressure to produce 15% drop for various tire widths over a range of loads. It is those graphs that have been so widely embraced and repackaged. The paper does not describe or cite any testing or test results that support the assertion that optimal tire pressure results in 15% tire drop (and by inference vice versa). However, I suspect that there is or was some experimental basis for that assertion. The knowledge of the group being greater than mine, I think it is reasonable for me to inquire if anybody knows what Frank Berto's assertion about 15% tire drop being optimal is based on, and can point to some documentation of that basis. Also though I didn't state it well before, and probably still haven't, I think the question is perfectly logical. thnks Ted p.s. Berto's paper also states that ... Jan Heine thinks that inflation pressure is of relatively little importance and that the author (Berto) disagrees. I am fairly certain Jan's work is not where the 15% drop is optimal thing comes from. On Tay, April 8, 2014 3:02:5 3 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: Och, Ted! Your Google skills no doubt are fine. But why seek evidence of something that is logically incomplete? The optimum temperature is a 15% drop. Spread that around at all the rides you do and see if people start to believe you, to the point that in winter they ride in a tank top to compensate for temperatures that are 15% too warm for them to ride optimally. Sardonic grin. Logical inference: someone read an article (possibly Jan's) on the testing of tire pressure and rolling resistance, and due to poor grasp of logic and reason remembered that concept in relation only to the pressures they ride, which then came out via inept communication skills as a truncated 15% drop is optimum, and spread that around club rides until it was heard round the world. We see that kind of ineptitude all the time in science. Pick any press article about any experiment and you will see it. Sardonic grin. People aren't taught to be mindful, use logic and reason, and unless individuals seek it out or learn it on their own, they unwittingly fall for all sorts of fallacies of logic and pass them on as intelligent thought. We have our education system to thank for that. Clearly, I need a ride. I'm off to make sure my tires are 15% less inflated. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Monday, April 7, 2014 8:25:55 PM UTC-6, ted wrote: I believe I have done that before, and I did just now. I may be incompetent but I didn't find test results documenting 15% tire drop as an optimum. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Frame Fitment Update
Thanks for the clarification, Ted. I'm following along better now. My apologies for being grouchy. I did have a fantastic run and ride yesterday. good and sloppy, slushy, muddy. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 12:55:01 AM UTC-6, ted wrote: Patrick, I hope you were able to get out for a ride today, and that you had a wonderful time. I posted in response to another posters suggestion to search for berto tire pressure. Doing so should turn up: http://www.bccclub.org/documents/Tireinflation.pdf. That article, or an earlier version of it which was published in Bicycling, seems to be the primary source for most, if not all, of the graphs, spreadsheets and apps dealing with tire pressure as a function of load and tire width that are all over over the internet and comprise a lot of what a google search for berto tire pressure turns up. In that article the author (Frank Berto) describes/defines tire drop, and asserts that ... the optimum inflation pressure for comfort and rolling resistance produces a Tire Drop of about 15% of W (the section width) The paper also presents graphs, derived from experiments with a variety of tires, that give tire pressure to produce 15% drop for various tire widths over a range of loads. It is those graphs that have been so widely embraced and repackaged. The paper does not describe or cite any testing or test results that support the assertion that optimal tire pressure results in 15% tire drop (and by inference vice versa). However, I suspect that there is or was some experimental basis for that assertion. The knowledge of the group being greater than mine, I think it is reasonable for me to inquire if anybody knows what Frank Berto's assertion about 15% tire drop being optimal is based on, and can point to some documentation of that basis. Also though I didn't state it well before, and probably still haven't, I think the question is perfectly logical. thnks Ted p.s. Berto's paper also states that ... Jan Heine thinks that inflation pressure is of relatively little importance and that the author (Berto) disagrees. I am fairly certain Jan's work is not where the 15% drop is optimal thing comes from. On Tay, April 8, 2014 3:02:5 3 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: Och, Ted! Your Google skills no doubt are fine. But why seek evidence of something that is logically incomplete? The optimum temperature is a 15% drop. Spread that around at all the rides you do and see if people start to believe you, to the point that in winter they ride in a tank top to compensate for temperatures that are 15% too warm for them to ride optimally. Sardonic grin. Logical inference: someone read an article (possibly Jan's) on the testing of tire pressure and rolling resistance, and due to poor grasp of logic and reason remembered that concept in relation only to the pressures they ride, which then came out via inept communication skills as a truncated 15% drop is optimum, and spread that around club rides until it was heard round the world. We see that kind of ineptitude all the time in science. Pick any press article about any experiment and you will see it. Sardonic grin. People aren't taught to be mindful, use logic and reason, and unless individuals seek it out or learn it on their own, they unwittingly fall for all sorts of fallacies of logic and pass them on as intelligent thought. We have our education system to thank for that. Clearly, I need a ride. I'm off to make sure my tires are 15% less inflated. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Monday, April 7, 2014 8:25:55 PM UTC-6, ted wrote: I believe I have done that before, and I did just now. I may be incompetent but I didn't find test results documenting 15% tire drop as an optimum. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Frame Fitment Update
Glad you had a great time outside yesterday. May you have another today. No worries on being grouchy, and no apologies needed. Frankly I didn't detect much grouch in your post. Way in bounds of the norm around here. regards Ted On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 3:07:56 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: Thanks for the clarification, Ted. I'm following along better now. My apologies for being grouchy. I did have a fantastic run and ride yesterday. good and sloppy, slushy, muddy. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 12:55:01 AM UTC-6, ted wrote: Patrick, I hope you were able to get out for a ride today, and that you had a wonderful time. I posted in response to another posters suggestion to search for berto tire pressure. Doing so should turn up: http://www.bccclub.org/documents/Tireinflation.pdf. That article, or an earlier version of it which was published in Bicycling, seems to be the primary source for most, if not all, of the graphs, spreadsheets and apps dealing with tire pressure as a function of load and tire width that are all over over the internet and comprise a lot of what a google search for berto tire pressure turns up. In that article the author (Frank Berto) describes/defines tire drop, and asserts that ... the optimum inflation pressure for comfort and rolling resistance produces a Tire Drop of about 15% of W (the section width) The paper also presents graphs, derived from experiments with a variety of tires, that give tire pressure to produce 15% drop for various tire widths over a range of loads. It is those graphs that have been so widely embraced and repackaged. The paper does not describe or cite any testing or test results that support the assertion that optimal tire pressure results in 15% tire drop (and by inference vice versa). However, I suspect that there is or was some experimental basis for that assertion. The knowledge of the group being greater than mine, I think it is reasonable for me to inquire if anybody knows what Frank Berto's assertion about 15% tire drop being optimal is based on, and can point to some documentation of that basis. Also though I didn't state it well before, and probably still haven't, I think the question is perfectly logical. thnks Ted p.s. Berto's paper also states that ... Jan Heine thinks that inflation pressure is of relatively little importance and that the author (Berto) disagrees. I am fairly certain Jan's work is not where the 15% drop is optimal thing comes from. On Tay, April 8, 2014 3:02:5 3 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: Och, Ted! Your Google skills no doubt are fine. But why seek evidence of something that is logically incomplete? The optimum temperature is a 15% drop. Spread that around at all the rides you do and see if people start to believe you, to the point that in winter they ride in a tank top to compensate for temperatures that are 15% too warm for them to ride optimally. Sardonic grin. Logical inference: someone read an article (possibly Jan's) on the testing of tire pressure and rolling resistance, and due to poor grasp of logic and reason remembered that concept in relation only to the pressures they ride, which then came out via inept communication skills as a truncated 15% drop is optimum, and spread that around club rides until it was heard round the world. We see that kind of ineptitude all the time in science. Pick any press article about any experiment and you will see it. Sardonic grin. People aren't taught to be mindful, use logic and reason, and unless individuals seek it out or learn it on their own, they unwittingly fall for all sorts of fallacies of logic and pass them on as intelligent thought. We have our education system to thank for that. Clearly, I need a ride. I'm off to make sure my tires are 15% less inflated. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Monday, April 7, 2014 8:25:55 PM UTC-6, ted wrote: I believe I have done that before, and I did just now. I may be incompetent but I didn't find test results documenting 15% tire drop as an optimum. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Frame Fitment Update
In bound? IN BOUNDS? Now THAT hurts! Grin. Kidding aside, you're far too kind, Ted. No ride today as it's a brain rest day. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 9:19:49 AM UTC-6, ted wrote: Glad you had a great time outside yesterday. May you have another today. No worries on being grouchy, and no apologies needed. Frankly I didn't detect much grouch in your post. Way in bounds of the norm around here. regards Ted On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 3:07:56 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: Thanks for the clarification, Ted. I'm following along better now. My apologies for being grouchy. I did have a fantastic run and ride yesterday. good and sloppy, slushy, muddy. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 12:55:01 AM UTC-6, ted wrote: Patrick, I hope you were able to get out for a ride today, and that you had a wonderful time. I posted in response to another posters suggestion to search for berto tire pressure. Doing so should turn up: http://www.bccclub.org/documents/Tireinflation.pdf. That article, or an earlier version of it which was published in Bicycling, seems to be the primary source for most, if not all, of the graphs, spreadsheets and apps dealing with tire pressure as a function of load and tire width that are all over over the internet and comprise a lot of what a google search for berto tire pressure turns up. In that article the author (Frank Berto) describes/defines tire drop, and asserts that ... the optimum inflation pressure for comfort and rolling resistance produces a Tire Drop of about 15% of W (the section width) The paper also presents graphs, derived from experiments with a variety of tires, that give tire pressure to produce 15% drop for various tire widths over a range of loads. It is those graphs that have been so widely embraced and repackaged. The paper does not describe or cite any testing or test results that support the assertion that optimal tire pressure results in 15% tire drop (and by inference vice versa). However, I suspect that there is or was some experimental basis for that assertion. The knowledge of the group being greater than mine, I think it is reasonable for me to inquire if anybody knows what Frank Berto's assertion about 15% tire drop being optimal is based on, and can point to some documentation of that basis. Also though I didn't state it well before, and probably still haven't, I think the question is perfectly logical. thnks Ted p.s. Berto's paper also states that ... Jan Heine thinks that inflation pressure is of relatively little importance and that the author (Berto) disagrees. I am fairly certain Jan's work is not where the 15% drop is optimal thing comes from. On Tay, April 8, 2014 3:02:5 3 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: Och, Ted! Your Google skills no doubt are fine. But why seek evidence of something that is logically incomplete? The optimum temperature is a 15% drop. Spread that around at all the rides you do and see if people start to believe you, to the point that in winter they ride in a tank top to compensate for temperatures that are 15% too warm for them to ride optimally. Sardonic grin. Logical inference: someone read an article (possibly Jan's) on the testing of tire pressure and rolling resistance, and due to poor grasp of logic and reason remembered that concept in relation only to the pressures they ride, which then came out via inept communication skills as a truncated 15% drop is optimum, and spread that around club rides until it was heard round the world. We see that kind of ineptitude all the time in science. Pick any press article about any experiment and you will see it. Sardonic grin. People aren't taught to be mindful, use logic and reason, and unless individuals seek it out or learn it on their own, they unwittingly fall for all sorts of fallacies of logic and pass them on as intelligent thought. We have our education system to thank for that. Clearly, I need a ride. I'm off to make sure my tires are 15% less inflated. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Monday, April 7, 2014 8:25:55 PM UTC-6, ted wrote: I believe I have done that before, and I did just now. I may be incompetent but I didn't find test results documenting 15% tire drop as an optimum. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Frame Fitment Update
I am 190 and running my Barlow Pass tires at 65 rear and 60 front. I may try an go a bit lower to see if things get better (they areally nice as is). It is all pretty subjective when it comes to preference. Start somewhere, keep track and experiment. Road surface, conditioning, length of ride, mood, amount of sleep, weather will all play a role/ :0 On Monday, April 7, 2014 10:18:07 PM UTC-4, ted wrote: In my last exchange with Jan he asserted rolling resistance was basically i dependent of tire pressure, baring riding flat tires and very high pressures (or maybe it was ultra high). I don't think he mentioned 15% drop. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Frame Fitment Update
Och, Ted! Your Google skills no doubt are fine. But why seek evidence of something that is logically incomplete? The optimum temperature is a 15% drop. Spread that around at all the rides you do and see if people start to believe you, to the point that in winter they ride in a tank top to compensate for temperatures that are 15% too warm for them to ride optimally. Sardonic grin. Logical inference: someone read an article (possibly Jan's) on the testing of tire pressure and rolling resistance, and due to poor grasp of logic and reason remembered that concept in relation only to the pressures they ride, which then came out via inept communication skills as a truncated 15% drop is optimum, and spread that around club rides until it was heard round the world. We see that kind of ineptitude all the time in science. Pick any press article about any experiment and you will see it. Sardonic grin. People aren't taught to be mindful, use logic and reason, and unless individuals seek it out or learn it on their own, they unwittingly fall for all sorts of fallacies of logic and pass them on as intelligent thought. We have our education system to thank for that. Clearly, I need a ride. I'm off to make sure my tires are 15% less inflated. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Monday, April 7, 2014 8:25:55 PM UTC-6, ted wrote: I believe I have done that before, and I did just now. I may be incompetent but I didn't find test results documenting 15% tire drop as an optimum. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Frame Fitment Update
Fantastic! I'm delighted to hear it. I've been amazed how big a difference just changing things around with height/tilt and placement of shifters/levers with my Albatross bars made, so I can only imagine what the Albastache bars do. There is wonder and beauty in matching the cockpit to rider and riding. Enjoy the ride! With abandon, Patrick On Sunday, April 6, 2014 7:35:03 PM UTC-6, Avery Wilson wrote: So I took some advice from you guys on this list and decided to tinker with the Sam Hillborne over the weekend.. and ride as well! I took off the Albatross bars, along with their 10cm Tallux Stem and swapped in a pair of 46cm Noodles that I already had built up as a complete cockpit with a DirtDrop stem. Took it out for a ride on Saturday, just 5 or 6 miles, and had just loved it. First time I'd felt good on drops. Ever. I didn't want to get too excited, so I took it for a much longer ride today - 30-35 miles perhaps, broken up into two parts, before and after church. The bike is completely transformed! I just felt faster, quicker, more in control.. it was great. How does a bike feel more responsive at the pedals based on cockpit alone? So I know that the DirtDrop stem seems real short, and it looks a little funny, but I've come to realize that I have the PBH (88) of a man 6' or taller. Trouble is, I'm only 5'10, so those inches had to come from my torso. So, my tall seatpost and short dirtdrop stemmed Noodle cockpit just seem to work really well for me. If I get tired of the slightly weird look of the dirtdrop, and want to rewrap the bars sometime, I'll get a 7cm Tallux. Or something. Or just be happy :) Also I inflated the Resist Nomad 700x45c tires up to 50psi rear 40psi front, and that make the bike feel quite a bit quicker. They were at 40/30 previously. Now I'm awaiting my 700x38 Barlow Pass tires to show up from Compass sometime this week and hopefully take the feel from the tires to the next level.. :) I think the ills I felt toward my bike earlier this week are fading away.. cockpit swap, and next a tire swap will do it! Link to photo below of current setup. Current Bike Setuphttps://www.flickr.com/photos/122008974@N05/13682203014/ Here's a picture from the ride today, with fellow list member and new Riv A. Homer Hilsen owner Michael Fleischmann! Ride Photo.https://www.flickr.com/photos/122008974@N05/13682212644/in/photostream/ I still find it amazing that these bikes are at home on singletrack, dirt, and gravel as much as they are on a smooth road. Love it. Avery in Indianapolis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Frame Fitment Update
I'm 5'10.999 with a 88 PBH and that's a very close to my SH cockpit. I am running 46 noodles on a 10 cm Dirt Drop with TRP aero levers and Tektro Interrupters. I think I have five favorite hand positions with that setup. I wrapped clothe tape over cork on the whole bar and I'm happy I did. Originally I was only gonna do the flats but I find myself on the drops, A LOT. I used to have 46 noodles on my surly with a +17 stem and only rode the flats and ramps. I have alba's on my Cross Check now and feel good but don't venture far from the bar ends. I guess I'm trying to say don't mess with a good thing. I think the aesthetic of the rise on the DD looks better with the upslope of the TTs. Plus, it looks like you are doing some trail riding so I don't think you'll regret a stem that's a bit more over built. You can find pics of my Sam somewhere on the list or Flicka. Fair winds, Captain Conway -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Frame Fitment Update
Hi Avery, Looks great, feels great... enjoy the ride! Looks like nice trails to explore. Happy spring! shoji On Sunday, April 6, 2014 9:35:03 PM UTC-4, Avery Wilson wrote: So I took some advice from you guys on this list and decided to tinker with the Sam Hillborne over the weekend.. and ride as well! I took off the Albatross bars, along with their 10cm Tallux Stem and swapped in a pair of 46cm Noodles that I already had built up as a complete cockpit with a DirtDrop stem. Took it out for a ride on Saturday, just 5 or 6 miles, and had just loved it. First time I'd felt good on drops. Ever. I didn't want to get too excited, so I took it for a much longer ride today - 30-35 miles perhaps, broken up into two parts, before and after church. The bike is completely transformed! I just felt faster, quicker, more in control.. it was great. How does a bike feel more responsive at the pedals based on cockpit alone? So I know that the DirtDrop stem seems real short, and it looks a little funny, but I've come to realize that I have the PBH (88) of a man 6' or taller. Trouble is, I'm only 5'10, so those inches had to come from my torso. So, my tall seatpost and short dirtdrop stemmed Noodle cockpit just seem to work really well for me. If I get tired of the slightly weird look of the dirtdrop, and want to rewrap the bars sometime, I'll get a 7cm Tallux. Or something. Or just be happy :) Also I inflated the Resist Nomad 700x45c tires up to 50psi rear 40psi front, and that make the bike feel quite a bit quicker. They were at 40/30 previously. Now I'm awaiting my 700x38 Barlow Pass tires to show up from Compass sometime this week and hopefully take the feel from the tires to the next level.. :) I think the ills I felt toward my bike earlier this week are fading away.. cockpit swap, and next a tire swap will do it! Link to photo below of current setup. Current Bike Setuphttps://www.flickr.com/photos/122008974@N05/13682203014/ Here's a picture from the ride today, with fellow list member and new Riv A. Homer Hilsen owner Michael Fleischmann! Ride Photo.https://www.flickr.com/photos/122008974@N05/13682212644/in/photostream/ I still find it amazing that these bikes are at home on singletrack, dirt, and gravel as much as they are on a smooth road. Love it. Avery in Indianapolis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Frame Fitment Update
Yep, Capt. Conway - I'm about an inch shorter than you with the same PBH, and I'm running the 8cm dirt drop stem, so just a bit less reach than yours. I suppose it stands to reason that it would work! Our bikes are almost identical in terms of cockpit, reach, even parts! I did just receive the 700x38 Barlow Pass tires today. I'll mount then tomorrow and hopefully ride soon! That should give me the remaining tad bit of satisfaction I'm seeking from my bike.. (if they're as good as people say they are). Quick tire question - I got the standard casing, not the extra light, because I weigh 200, so combined weight is about 235-250 or so. Good move? Also what should tire pressure be? Thanks, Avery in Indy On Apr 7, 2014 9:52 AM, Shoji Takahashi shoji.takaha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Avery, Looks great, feels great... enjoy the ride! Looks like nice trails to explore. Happy spring! shoji On Sunday, April 6, 2014 9:35:03 PM UTC-4, Avery Wilson wrote: So I took some advice from you guys on this list and decided to tinker with the Sam Hillborne over the weekend.. and ride as well! I took off the Albatross bars, along with their 10cm Tallux Stem and swapped in a pair of 46cm Noodles that I already had built up as a complete cockpit with a DirtDrop stem. Took it out for a ride on Saturday, just 5 or 6 miles, and had just loved it. First time I'd felt good on drops. Ever. I didn't want to get too excited, so I took it for a much longer ride today - 30-35 miles perhaps, broken up into two parts, before and after church. The bike is completely transformed! I just felt faster, quicker, more in control.. it was great. How does a bike feel more responsive at the pedals based on cockpit alone? So I know that the DirtDrop stem seems real short, and it looks a little funny, but I've come to realize that I have the PBH (88) of a man 6' or taller. Trouble is, I'm only 5'10, so those inches had to come from my torso. So, my tall seatpost and short dirtdrop stemmed Noodle cockpit just seem to work really well for me. If I get tired of the slightly weird look of the dirtdrop, and want to rewrap the bars sometime, I'll get a 7cm Tallux. Or something. Or just be happy :) Also I inflated the Resist Nomad 700x45c tires up to 50psi rear 40psi front, and that make the bike feel quite a bit quicker. They were at 40/30 previously. Now I'm awaiting my 700x38 Barlow Pass tires to show up from Compass sometime this week and hopefully take the feel from the tires to the next level.. :) I think the ills I felt toward my bike earlier this week are fading away.. cockpit swap, and next a tire swap will do it! Link to photo below of current setup. Current Bike Setuphttps://www.flickr.com/photos/122008974@N05/13682203014/ Here's a picture from the ride today, with fellow list member and new Riv A. Homer Hilsen owner Michael Fleischmann! Ride Photo.https://www.flickr.com/photos/122008974@N05/13682212644/in/photostream/ I still find it amazing that these bikes are at home on singletrack, dirt, and gravel as much as they are on a smooth road. Love it. Avery in Indianapolis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/-durk-1N_FU/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Frame Fitment Update
I ride 650 x 38mm GB Lierres, and I weigh 220 lbs. I have good luck with those tires (standard casing, no EL available in that size at the time) I used the Tire Pressure Calculatorhttp://www.dorkypantsr.us/bike-tire-pressure-calculator.html and it gives me 55 psi front/65 psi rear. Since you're a bit lighter but on the same volume casing, maybe start with 50 psi front/60 psi rear? Tim Quick tire question - I got the standard casing, not the extra light, because I weigh 200, so combined weight is about 235-250 or so. Good move? Also what should tire pressure be? Thanks, Avery in Indy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Frame Fitment Update
search for berto tire pressure and you'll find plenty of graphs, articles, etc. On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 1:27 PM, Avery E Wilson avewil...@gmail.com wrote: Yep, Capt. Conway - I'm about an inch shorter than you with the same PBH, and I'm running the 8cm dirt drop stem, so just a bit less reach than yours. I suppose it stands to reason that it would work! Our bikes are almost identical in terms of cockpit, reach, even parts! I did just receive the 700x38 Barlow Pass tires today. I'll mount then tomorrow and hopefully ride soon! That should give me the remaining tad bit of satisfaction I'm seeking from my bike.. (if they're as good as people say they are). Quick tire question - I got the standard casing, not the extra light, because I weigh 200, so combined weight is about 235-250 or so. Good move? Also what should tire pressure be? Thanks, Avery in Indy On Apr 7, 2014 9:52 AM, Shoji Takahashi shoji.takaha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Avery, Looks great, feels great... enjoy the ride! Looks like nice trails to explore. Happy spring! shoji On Sunday, April 6, 2014 9:35:03 PM UTC-4, Avery Wilson wrote: So I took some advice from you guys on this list and decided to tinker with the Sam Hillborne over the weekend.. and ride as well! I took off the Albatross bars, along with their 10cm Tallux Stem and swapped in a pair of 46cm Noodles that I already had built up as a complete cockpit with a DirtDrop stem. Took it out for a ride on Saturday, just 5 or 6 miles, and had just loved it. First time I'd felt good on drops. Ever. I didn't want to get too excited, so I took it for a much longer ride today - 30-35 miles perhaps, broken up into two parts, before and after church. The bike is completely transformed! I just felt faster, quicker, more in control.. it was great. How does a bike feel more responsive at the pedals based on cockpit alone? So I know that the DirtDrop stem seems real short, and it looks a little funny, but I've come to realize that I have the PBH (88) of a man 6' or taller. Trouble is, I'm only 5'10, so those inches had to come from my torso. So, my tall seatpost and short dirtdrop stemmed Noodle cockpit just seem to work really well for me. If I get tired of the slightly weird look of the dirtdrop, and want to rewrap the bars sometime, I'll get a 7cm Tallux. Or something. Or just be happy :) Also I inflated the Resist Nomad 700x45c tires up to 50psi rear 40psi front, and that make the bike feel quite a bit quicker. They were at 40/30 previously. Now I'm awaiting my 700x38 Barlow Pass tires to show up from Compass sometime this week and hopefully take the feel from the tires to the next level.. :) I think the ills I felt toward my bike earlier this week are fading away.. cockpit swap, and next a tire swap will do it! Link to photo below of current setup. Current Bike Setuphttps://www.flickr.com/photos/122008974@N05/13682203014/ Here's a picture from the ride today, with fellow list member and new Riv A. Homer Hilsen owner Michael Fleischmann! Ride Photo.https://www.flickr.com/photos/122008974@N05/13682212644/in/photostream/ I still find it amazing that these bikes are at home on singletrack, dirt, and gravel as much as they are on a smooth road. Love it. Avery in Indianapolis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/-durk-1N_FU/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Frame Fitment Update
Have you found any documentation of a substantive basis (not just an appeal to authority) for the oft repeated assertion that 15% tire drop gives an optimal trade off of rolling resistance and comfort? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Frame Fitment Update
Bicycle Quarterly has done a fair bit of research on rolling resistance and tire width/pressure. With abandon, Patrick On Monday, April 7, 2014 7:20:41 PM UTC-6, ted wrote: Have you found any documentation of a substantive basis (not just an appeal to authority) for the oft repeated assertion that 15% tire drop gives an optimal trade off of rolling resistance and comfort? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Frame Fitment Update
Google: bicycle quarterly rolling resistance On Monday, April 7, 2014 7:42:04 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote: Bicycle Quarterly has done a fair bit of research on rolling resistance and tire width/pressure. With abandon, Patrick On Monday, April 7, 2014 7:20:41 PM UTC-6, ted wrote: Have you found any documentation of a substantive basis (not just an appeal to authority) for the oft repeated assertion that 15% tire drop gives an optimal trade off of rolling resistance and comfort? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Frame Fitment Update
In my last exchange with Jan he asserted rolling resistance was basically i dependent of tire pressure, baring riding flat tires and very high pressures (or maybe it was ultra high). I don't think he mentioned 15% drop. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Frame Fitment Update
I believe I have done that before, and I did just now. I may be incompetent but I didn't find test results documenting 15% tire drop as an optimum. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
