Re: [RBW] Re: Susie 53 - 56 Sizing Help Please!

[kim young]

Thanks for putting up all the info David.
Your bike sounds cool!

On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 12:48 AM 'Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Here's a picture of some cheap Shimano V-brakes (also 108 mm-ish) on the
> rear of my 53cm Susie. Using Schwalbe G-One AllRound 650 x 70 (2.80") on
> Atlas rims. Very close (~5mm) to the noodle's dirt boot; About 18 mm
> clearance to the seat stay bridge of the frame.
>
> The front is using Avid "Ultimate" cantilevers so no clearance issue for
> the straddle cable but maybe 9 mm to the bottom of the fork crown. I tried
> the 70 mm AllRound on Atlas rims but had about 3.5 mm clearance and decided
> against using it. The second picture shows a 650 x 60 mm Schwalbe G-One
> Speed.
>
> Vince at Rivendell wrote this last month:
>
> *"I think part of the issue is the Atlas rims. The brake posts on the
> Hillibikes are set wider apart than usual and require a rim that's 30mm or
> more wide."*
>
> *"I just checked a 650B Susie with a Cliffhanger rim and the same G-One
> you have. The vertical clearance is 6mm. We haven't had any trouble with
> the demo bikes."*
>
> David
> Berkeley
>
> On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 11:57:53 AM UTC-7, Flowerfang wrote:
>>
>> :) Thanks mark.
>> Does seems pretty tight with the 11Os - even tho those arms are so long
>> already,
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[RBW] Re: Susie 53 - 56 Sizing Help Please!

[☆ Paul ☆]

Hello Ash.

This is so helpful. Thank you!

On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 8:27:02 AM UTC-4 Ash wrote:

> Paul,
>
> As for your question on Susie's turning characteristics given how far out 
> the front wheel is, I have not noticed any problem.  Generally it feels so 
> stable, I feel the bike is doing the steering for me.  If Elon Musk were to 
> market this bike, he'd definitely claim it came with autopilot feature :)
>
> 3-4 weeks ago I rode 100k with ~15 lbs weight in Wald's basket in the 
> front. One small issue I noticed happens at tight corners on trails.  It 
> requires a tad  bit more maneuvering effort  than regular (the 50cm MIT 
> Atlantis I had owned for instance) bikes.  It probably has more to do with 
> overall wheelbase than front-center or fork-rake.   That small 
> inconvenience gets you a ton extra ride comfort in return.  The extra bend 
> (or maybe the overall angle contributes too) in the fork makes it sort of 
> dance when you go over gravels and other road imperfections.  I think it 
> acts like a micro shock-absorber.  The feeling is simply delightful.  It 
> makes me often avoid the smooth side of the trail and ride on the bumpy 
> side, if available.
>
> Cheers,
> Ash
> On Wednesday, 9 September 2020 at 17:59:06 UTC-7 ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
>
>> Hello Ash
>>
>>
>> Thank you for your note. I really appreciate the advice and photos.
>>
>>
>> Yes, I also concluded that the 53 is right for me, and it does seem to 
>> measure super-long. I like Billie Bars, which come way back already, so a 
>> short-ish stem should work just fine for me. Do you find that the bike 
>> turns funny at all up front give how far that front wheel is out there in 
>> front of you? IT seems like a pretty slack angle!
>>
>>
>> Sorry to see the orange skies! I live in Vermont but grew up in Berkeley, 
>> and get reports from my mom. Hope it clears up soon!!
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 8:08:11 PM UTC-4, Ash wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hey Paul,
>>>
>>> It's been a busy day I have not had a chance to catch up with this 
>>> thread.  Regardless, thought I'd share couple of pictures and my two cents.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16-STunfWYCEndP2nIAWrJ6RRfnCyYYm5?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> I'm 5'7" with 81cm PBH.  First I picked up a 53cm Wolbis.  After 
>>> attaching wheels, pedals and few stem/handlebar combos, I quickly realized 
>>> that it was too big for me.  It is one loong bike, in the first place. I've 
>>> had 51cm Appaloosa before,  but this one felt even longer. This bike runs 
>>> large in general, IMO.  I'm always grateful for Riv's top notch customer 
>>> service.  They happily exchanged the frame for a 50cm version, which fits 
>>> me much better.  
>>>
>>> As you can see in the pic, even with the small size, I have to use a 
>>> relatively short reach stem to get full upright riding position (even with 
>>> Bosco!).   
>>>
>>> Bottom line, I think 53cm would work better for you.  If the handlebar 
>>> is too close, you have an option to use a longer stem.  But if the frame 
>>> happens to be on the longer side, then there's no  easy/clean option to 
>>> bring the handlebar to a comfortable position.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ash
>>>
>>> PS:  Those pictures were taken around 3pm today.  No retro/sepia filter 
>>> used.  The light has been orange-ish and gloomy all day.  My kid took the 
>>> picture, looks like he was having a hard time focusing the camera, due to 
>>> low light.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 8 September 2020 at 17:04:05 UTC-7 ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
>>>
 Hey Y'all.

 I spoke with Grant this afternoon, who told me that at 5'10 with 75.5 
 PBH I could go for either a M (53) or or L (56) Susie, and they'd both 
 work 
 for me. 

 I'd really prefer a 53 because of the 650B wheels, but want to double 
 check the fit before I pre-order. My 5'7" wife just got her 52 Clem L, and 
 I can ride it too but the top of the head tube is a bit low. It would 
 require a maxed out tall stem to get the bars up where I like them.

 Does anyone have a 53 Susie out there? How tall are you and how is it 
 working for you? 

 Can you upload a photo?

 Also if anyone can help: I'm trying to sort out what measurement to ask 
 for that would give me the top of the head tube height vs. top of seat 
 tube 
 height, so I can make sure the head tube is longer than on the Clem L, and 
 that I don't have to have a crazy high stem on the Susie if I buy the 53.

 Hope I'm making sense here.

 Thanks all!

 

 Paul

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie 53 - 56 Sizing Help Please!

[Paul Budnitz]

Hello Ash.

This is so helpful. Thank you!!!

Gonna hunt up a 53!

☆ Paul

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On Sep 10, 2020, 8:27 AM -0400, Ash , wrote:
> Paul,
>
> As for your question on Susie's turning characteristics given how far out the 
> front wheel is, I have not noticed any problem.  Generally it feels so 
> stable, I feel the bike is doing the steering for me.  If Elon Musk were to 
> market this bike, he'd definitely claim it came with autopilot feature :)
>
> 3-4 weeks ago I rode 100k with ~15 lbs weight in Wald's basket in the front. 
> One small issue I noticed happens at tight corners on trails.  It requires a 
> tad  bit more maneuvering effort  than regular (the 50cm MIT Atlantis I had 
> owned for instance) bikes.  It probably has more to do with overall wheelbase 
> than front-center or fork-rake.   That small inconvenience gets you a ton 
> extra ride comfort in return.  The extra bend (or maybe the overall angle 
> contributes too) in the fork makes it sort of dance when you go over gravels 
> and other road imperfections.  I think it acts like a micro shock-absorber.  
> The feeling is simply delightful.  It makes me often avoid the smooth side of 
> the trail and ride on the bumpy side, if available.
>
> Cheers,
> Ash
> > On Wednesday, 9 September 2020 at 17:59:06 UTC-7 ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
> > > Hello Ash
> > >
> > > Thank you for your note. I really appreciate the advice and photos.
> > >
> > > Yes, I also concluded that the 53 is right for me, and it does seem to 
> > > measure super-long. I like Billie Bars, which come way back already, so a 
> > > short-ish stem should work just fine for me. Do you find that the bike 
> > > turns funny at all up front give how far that front wheel is out there in 
> > > front of you? IT seems like a pretty slack angle!
> > >
> > > Sorry to see the orange skies! I live in Vermont but grew up in Berkeley, 
> > > and get reports from my mom. Hope it clears up soon!!
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 8:08:11 PM UTC-4, Ash wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hey Paul,
> > > >
> > > > It's been a busy day I have not had a chance to catch up with this 
> > > > thread.  Regardless, thought I'd share couple of pictures and my two 
> > > > cents.
> > > >
> > > > https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16-STunfWYCEndP2nIAWrJ6RRfnCyYYm5?usp=sharing
> > > >
> > > > I'm 5'7" with 81cm PBH.  First I picked up a 53cm Wolbis.  After 
> > > > attaching wheels, pedals and few stem/handlebar combos, I quickly 
> > > > realized that it was too big for me.  It is one loong bike, in the 
> > > > first place. I've had 51cm Appaloosa before,  but this one felt even 
> > > > longer. This bike runs large in general, IMO.  I'm always grateful for 
> > > > Riv's top notch customer service.  They happily exchanged the frame for 
> > > > a 50cm version, which fits me much better.
> > > >
> > > > As you can see in the pic, even with the small size, I have to use a 
> > > > relatively short reach stem to get full upright riding position (even 
> > > > with Bosco!).
> > > >
> > > > Bottom line, I think 53cm would work better for you.  If the handlebar 
> > > > is too close, you have an option to use a longer stem.  But if the 
> > > > frame happens to be on the longer side, then there's no  easy/clean 
> > > > option to bring the handlebar to a comfortable position.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Ash
> > > >
> > > > PS:  Those pictures were taken around 3pm today.  No retro/sepia filter 
> > > > used.  The light has been orange-ish and gloomy all day.  My kid took 
> > > > the picture, looks like he was having a hard time focusing the camera, 
> > > > due to low light.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On Tuesday, 8 September 2020 at 17:04:05 UTC-7 ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
> > > > > > Hey Y'all.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I spoke with Grant this afternoon, who told me that at 5'10 with 
> > > > > > 75.5 PBH I could go for either a M (53) or or L (56) Susie, and 
> > > > > > they'd both work for me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'd really prefer a 53 because of the 650B wheels, but want to 
> > > > > > double check the fit before I pre-order. My 5'7" wife just got her 
> > > > > > 52 Clem L, and I can ride it too but the top of the head tube is a 
> > > > > > bit low. It would require a maxed out tall stem to get the bars up 
> > > > > > where I like them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Does anyone have a 53 Susie out there? How tall are you and how is 
> > > > > > it working for you?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can you upload a photo?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also if anyone can help: I'm trying to sort out what measurement to 
> > > > > > ask for that would give me the top of the head tube height vs. top 
> > > > > > of seat tube height, so I can make sure the head tube is longer 
> > > > > > than on the Clem L, and that I don't have to have a crazy high stem 
> > > > > > on the Susie if I buy the 53.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hope I'm making sense here.
> > 

[RBW] Re: Susie 53 - 56 Sizing Help Please!

[Ash]

Paul,

As for your question on Susie's turning characteristics given how far out 
the front wheel is, I have not noticed any problem.  Generally it feels so 
stable, I feel the bike is doing the steering for me.  If Elon Musk were to 
market this bike, he'd definitely claim it came with autopilot feature :)

3-4 weeks ago I rode 100k with ~15 lbs weight in Wald's basket in the 
front. One small issue I noticed happens at tight corners on trails.  It 
requires a tad  bit more maneuvering effort  than regular (the 50cm MIT 
Atlantis I had owned for instance) bikes.  It probably has more to do with 
overall wheelbase than front-center or fork-rake.   That small 
inconvenience gets you a ton extra ride comfort in return.  The extra bend 
(or maybe the overall angle contributes too) in the fork makes it sort of 
dance when you go over gravels and other road imperfections.  I think it 
acts like a micro shock-absorber.  The feeling is simply delightful.  It 
makes me often avoid the smooth side of the trail and ride on the bumpy 
side, if available.

Cheers,
Ash
On Wednesday, 9 September 2020 at 17:59:06 UTC-7 ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:

> Hello Ash
>
>
> Thank you for your note. I really appreciate the advice and photos.
>
>
> Yes, I also concluded that the 53 is right for me, and it does seem to 
> measure super-long. I like Billie Bars, which come way back already, so a 
> short-ish stem should work just fine for me. Do you find that the bike 
> turns funny at all up front give how far that front wheel is out there in 
> front of you? IT seems like a pretty slack angle!
>
>
> Sorry to see the orange skies! I live in Vermont but grew up in Berkeley, 
> and get reports from my mom. Hope it clears up soon!!
>
>
> Best,
>
>
> Paul
>
> On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 8:08:11 PM UTC-4, Ash wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hey Paul,
>>
>> It's been a busy day I have not had a chance to catch up with this 
>> thread.  Regardless, thought I'd share couple of pictures and my two cents.
>>
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16-STunfWYCEndP2nIAWrJ6RRfnCyYYm5?usp=sharing
>>
>> I'm 5'7" with 81cm PBH.  First I picked up a 53cm Wolbis.  After 
>> attaching wheels, pedals and few stem/handlebar combos, I quickly realized 
>> that it was too big for me.  It is one loong bike, in the first place. I've 
>> had 51cm Appaloosa before,  but this one felt even longer. This bike runs 
>> large in general, IMO.  I'm always grateful for Riv's top notch customer 
>> service.  They happily exchanged the frame for a 50cm version, which fits 
>> me much better.  
>>
>> As you can see in the pic, even with the small size, I have to use a 
>> relatively short reach stem to get full upright riding position (even with 
>> Bosco!).   
>>
>> Bottom line, I think 53cm would work better for you.  If the handlebar is 
>> too close, you have an option to use a longer stem.  But if the frame 
>> happens to be on the longer side, then there's no  easy/clean option to 
>> bring the handlebar to a comfortable position.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Ash
>>
>> PS:  Those pictures were taken around 3pm today.  No retro/sepia filter 
>> used.  The light has been orange-ish and gloomy all day.  My kid took the 
>> picture, looks like he was having a hard time focusing the camera, due to 
>> low light.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, 8 September 2020 at 17:04:05 UTC-7 ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Y'all.
>>>
>>> I spoke with Grant this afternoon, who told me that at 5'10 with 75.5 
>>> PBH I could go for either a M (53) or or L (56) Susie, and they'd both work 
>>> for me. 
>>>
>>> I'd really prefer a 53 because of the 650B wheels, but want to double 
>>> check the fit before I pre-order. My 5'7" wife just got her 52 Clem L, and 
>>> I can ride it too but the top of the head tube is a bit low. It would 
>>> require a maxed out tall stem to get the bars up where I like them.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have a 53 Susie out there? How tall are you and how is it 
>>> working for you? 
>>>
>>> Can you upload a photo?
>>>
>>> Also if anyone can help: I'm trying to sort out what measurement to ask 
>>> for that would give me the top of the head tube height vs. top of seat tube 
>>> height, so I can make sure the head tube is longer than on the Clem L, and 
>>> that I don't have to have a crazy high stem on the Susie if I buy the 53.
>>>
>>> Hope I'm making sense here.
>>>
>>> Thanks all!
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Susie 53 - 56 Sizing Help Please!

['Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch]

It is longer than the not-Hillibikes! For comparison, I have Ash's original 
51 MIT Appaloosa. Susie has a longer wheel base than the JoeA, along with 
longer other dimensions:

*  dimensions*

*Susie Longbolts* 53

*Joe Appaloosa* 51 cm

front center

72 cm

62 cm

rear chain stay to BB 

54 cm

52.5 cm

wheelbase

125 cm = 49.2”

> 113 cm = 44.5”

David
Berkeley

On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 5:08:11 PM UTC-7, Ash wrote:
>
> I'm 5'7" with 81cm PBH.  First I picked up a 53cm Wolbis.  After attaching 
> wheels, pedals and few stem/handlebar combos, I quickly realized that it 
> was too big for me.  It is one loong bike, in the first place. I've had 
> 51cm Appaloosa before,  but this one felt even longer. This bike runs large 
> in general, IMO.  I'm always grateful for Riv's top notch customer service. 
>  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie 53 - 56 Sizing Help Please!

['Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch]

*Measure from center of seat tube to center of head tube, if that makes 
sense.*
I get a little longer measurement, in my very cramped basement workshop, so 
bike may not have been quite level. Actually its not likely as the front 
tire is a 650 x 60 (2.35") G-One and the rear is a 650 x 70 (2.80")!
I get:  64.7 cm

David

On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 8:07:33 AM UTC-7, ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
>
> Here's an image of the other measurement, by the way, which I think you 
> did and came out 62.5cm.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie 53 - 56 Sizing Help Please!

['Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch]

*Please measure from the center of the front axel in a straight line to the 
top of headset on top of the the top tube.* 
My 53 measures 65.2 cm to top of adjustable race from the hub's axle. (So, 
no spacer or locknut.)

David Lipsky

On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 8:01:36 AM UTC-7, ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
>
> ..
> Just to make sure we're measuring the same thing for the 
> front-of-bike-measurement:
>
> Please measure from the center of the front axel in a straight line to the 
> top of headset on top of the the top tube. Like the blue line in the image 
> attached!!! 
>

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[RBW] Re: Susie 53 - 56 Sizing Help Please!

[☆ Paul ☆]

Hello Ash


Thank you for your note. I really appreciate the advice and photos.


Yes, I also concluded that the 53 is right for me, and it does seem to 
measure super-long. I like Billie Bars, which come way back already, so a 
short-ish stem should work just fine for me. Do you find that the bike 
turns funny at all up front give how far that front wheel is out there in 
front of you? IT seems like a pretty slack angle!


Sorry to see the orange skies! I live in Vermont but grew up in Berkeley, 
and get reports from my mom. Hope it clears up soon!!


Best,


Paul

On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 8:08:11 PM UTC-4, Ash wrote:
>
>
> Hey Paul,
>
> It's been a busy day I have not had a chance to catch up with this thread. 
>  Regardless, thought I'd share couple of pictures and my two cents.
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16-STunfWYCEndP2nIAWrJ6RRfnCyYYm5?usp=sharing
>
> I'm 5'7" with 81cm PBH.  First I picked up a 53cm Wolbis.  After attaching 
> wheels, pedals and few stem/handlebar combos, I quickly realized that it 
> was too big for me.  It is one loong bike, in the first place. I've had 
> 51cm Appaloosa before,  but this one felt even longer. This bike runs large 
> in general, IMO.  I'm always grateful for Riv's top notch customer service. 
>  They happily exchanged the frame for a 50cm version, which fits me much 
> better.  
>
> As you can see in the pic, even with the small size, I have to use a 
> relatively short reach stem to get full upright riding position (even with 
> Bosco!).   
>
> Bottom line, I think 53cm would work better for you.  If the handlebar is 
> too close, you have an option to use a longer stem.  But if the frame 
> happens to be on the longer side, then there's no  easy/clean option to 
> bring the handlebar to a comfortable position.
>
> Cheers,
> Ash
>
> PS:  Those pictures were taken around 3pm today.  No retro/sepia filter 
> used.  The light has been orange-ish and gloomy all day.  My kid took the 
> picture, looks like he was having a hard time focusing the camera, due to 
> low light.
>
>
> On Tuesday, 8 September 2020 at 17:04:05 UTC-7 ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
>
>> Hey Y'all.
>>
>> I spoke with Grant this afternoon, who told me that at 5'10 with 75.5 PBH 
>> I could go for either a M (53) or or L (56) Susie, and they'd both work for 
>> me. 
>>
>> I'd really prefer a 53 because of the 650B wheels, but want to double 
>> check the fit before I pre-order. My 5'7" wife just got her 52 Clem L, and 
>> I can ride it too but the top of the head tube is a bit low. It would 
>> require a maxed out tall stem to get the bars up where I like them.
>>
>> Does anyone have a 53 Susie out there? How tall are you and how is it 
>> working for you? 
>>
>> Can you upload a photo?
>>
>> Also if anyone can help: I'm trying to sort out what measurement to ask 
>> for that would give me the top of the head tube height vs. top of seat tube 
>> height, so I can make sure the head tube is longer than on the Clem L, and 
>> that I don't have to have a crazy high stem on the Susie if I buy the 53.
>>
>> Hope I'm making sense here.
>>
>> Thanks all!
>>
>> 
>>
>> Paul
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Susie 53 - 56 Sizing Help Please!

[Ash]

Hey Paul,

It's been a busy day I have not had a chance to catch up with this thread. 
 Regardless, thought I'd share couple of pictures and my two cents.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16-STunfWYCEndP2nIAWrJ6RRfnCyYYm5?usp=sharing

I'm 5'7" with 81cm PBH.  First I picked up a 53cm Wolbis.  After attaching 
wheels, pedals and few stem/handlebar combos, I quickly realized that it 
was too big for me.  It is one loong bike, in the first place. I've had 
51cm Appaloosa before,  but this one felt even longer. This bike runs large 
in general, IMO.  I'm always grateful for Riv's top notch customer service. 
 They happily exchanged the frame for a 50cm version, which fits me much 
better.  

As you can see in the pic, even with the small size, I have to use a 
relatively short reach stem to get full upright riding position (even with 
Bosco!).   

Bottom line, I think 53cm would work better for you.  If the handlebar is 
too close, you have an option to use a longer stem.  But if the frame 
happens to be on the longer side, then there's no  easy/clean option to 
bring the handlebar to a comfortable position.

Cheers,
Ash

PS:  Those pictures were taken around 3pm today.  No retro/sepia filter 
used.  The light has been orange-ish and gloomy all day.  My kid took the 
picture, looks like he was having a hard time focusing the camera, due to 
low light.


On Tuesday, 8 September 2020 at 17:04:05 UTC-7 ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:

> Hey Y'all.
>
> I spoke with Grant this afternoon, who told me that at 5'10 with 75.5 PBH 
> I could go for either a M (53) or or L (56) Susie, and they'd both work for 
> me. 
>
> I'd really prefer a 53 because of the 650B wheels, but want to double 
> check the fit before I pre-order. My 5'7" wife just got her 52 Clem L, and 
> I can ride it too but the top of the head tube is a bit low. It would 
> require a maxed out tall stem to get the bars up where I like them.
>
> Does anyone have a 53 Susie out there? How tall are you and how is it 
> working for you? 
>
> Can you upload a photo?
>
> Also if anyone can help: I'm trying to sort out what measurement to ask 
> for that would give me the top of the head tube height vs. top of seat tube 
> height, so I can make sure the head tube is longer than on the Clem L, and 
> that I don't have to have a crazy high stem on the Susie if I buy the 53.
>
> Hope I'm making sense here.
>
> Thanks all!
>
> 
>
> Paul
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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie 53 - 56 Sizing Help Please!

[Mark Roland]

Maybe it will help shave the mud off?! But yeah, that looks a bit tight, 
and my tires are bigger at 2.6. We'll see where the braze-on placement puts 
them on the yet to be delivered 700c fork redo. (Don't be all jelly--yours 
is actually in your possession and ridable!;^)

On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 2:57:53 PM UTC-4, Flowerfang wrote:
>
> :) Thanks mark.
> Does seems pretty tight with the 11Os - even tho those arms are so long 
> already,
> seems like a mudcatcher? 
>
> I put the rhino cranks on mine - so I wouldn’t be too jelly about your 
> kooka’s! Lol
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 11:29 AM Mark Roland  > wrote:
>
>> Hi Kim. Build looks great! Mine is a 56/L, and they/we are/were waiting 
>> on forks for these, hopefully came/coming soon. Though honestly have been 
>> lazy and still have not put together the wheels. Also a little concerned 
>> about my brakes, I think they may be on the short side at 108ish . I have a 
>> set of knobby 29 x 2.6" tires. I hope my v-brake clears. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 8, 2020 at 10:12:51 PM UTC-4, Flowerfang wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> They said mine was one of the last to go out, so I hope Mark must be 
>>> getting his soon.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 5:20 PM ☆ Paul ☆  wrote:
>>>
 Hi Mark.

 Thanks for your note. Yes, I meant 75.5 saddle height, andI have a 85.5 
 PBH :). Long day at work. 

 (My dad is the same height as me and is crazy bow-legged, and probably 
 pulls off a 75 PBH, actually.)

 Your ordering logic makes sense — I just really want to go the smaller 
 53 frame with 650B if the frame will fit me. Don't want to get the size 
 wrong when I pre-order as the frames always sell out by the time the order 
 arrives!

 Thanks 

 Paul



 On Tuesday, September 8, 2020 at 8:14:04 PM UTC-4, Mark Roland wrote:
>
> Hi Paul. I have a 52 Clem L and I am waiting on a Susie 56. I am also 
> 5'10" and I also spoke with Grant.  I suspect you meant saddle height 
> 75.5, 
> not PBH? Anyway, I ride with my saddle these days in the neighborhood of 
> 74cm. I went with the 56/700c large Susie for a couple of reasons. First, 
> I 
> already have the 650B Clem, and I really am in the zone where I could go 
> either way, so wanted to make the bikes as different as possible. Second, 
> Grant recommended going L. Third, they were out of M.
>
> On Tuesday, September 8, 2020 at 8:04:05 PM UTC-4, ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
>>
>> Hey Y'all.
>>
>> I spoke with Grant this afternoon, who told me that at 5'10 with 75.5 
>> PBH I could go for either a M (53) or or L (56) Susie, and they'd both 
>> work 
>> for me. 
>>
>> I'd really prefer a 53 because of the 650B wheels, but want to double 
>> check the fit before I pre-order. My 5'7" wife just got her 52 Clem L, 
>> and 
>> I can ride it too but the top of the head tube is a bit low. It would 
>> require a maxed out tall stem to get the bars up where I like them.
>>
>> Does anyone have a 53 Susie out there? How tall are you and how is it 
>> working for you? 
>>
>> Can you upload a photo?
>>
>> Also if anyone can help: I'm trying to sort out what measurement to 
>> ask for that would give me the top of the head tube height vs. top of 
>> seat 
>> tube height, so I can make sure the head tube is longer than on the Clem 
>> L, 
>> and that I don't have to have a crazy high stem on the Susie if I buy 
>> the 
>> 53.
>>
>> Hope I'm making sense here.
>>
>> Thanks all!
>>
>> 
>>
>> Paul
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie 53 - 56 Sizing Help Please!

[Mark Roland]

Hi Kim. Build looks great! Mine is a 56/L, and they/we are/were waiting on 
forks for these, hopefully came/coming soon. Though honestly have been lazy 
and still have not put together the wheels. Also a little concerned about 
my brakes, I think they may be on the short side at 108ish . I have a set 
of knobby 29 x 2.6" tires. I hope my v-brake clears. 

On Tuesday, September 8, 2020 at 10:12:51 PM UTC-4, Flowerfang wrote:
>
>
> They said mine was one of the last to go out, so I hope Mark must be 
> getting his soon.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 5:20 PM ☆ Paul ☆  > wrote:
>
>> Hi Mark.
>>
>> Thanks for your note. Yes, I meant 75.5 saddle height, andI have a 85.5 
>> PBH :). Long day at work. 
>>
>> (My dad is the same height as me and is crazy bow-legged, and probably 
>> pulls off a 75 PBH, actually.)
>>
>> Your ordering logic makes sense — I just really want to go the smaller 53 
>> frame with 650B if the frame will fit me. Don't want to get the size wrong 
>> when I pre-order as the frames always sell out by the time the order 
>> arrives!
>>
>> Thanks 
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 8, 2020 at 8:14:04 PM UTC-4, Mark Roland wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Paul. I have a 52 Clem L and I am waiting on a Susie 56. I am also 
>>> 5'10" and I also spoke with Grant.  I suspect you meant saddle height 75.5, 
>>> not PBH? Anyway, I ride with my saddle these days in the neighborhood of 
>>> 74cm. I went with the 56/700c large Susie for a couple of reasons. First, I 
>>> already have the 650B Clem, and I really am in the zone where I could go 
>>> either way, so wanted to make the bikes as different as possible. Second, 
>>> Grant recommended going L. Third, they were out of M.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 8, 2020 at 8:04:05 PM UTC-4, ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:

 Hey Y'all.

 I spoke with Grant this afternoon, who told me that at 5'10 with 75.5 
 PBH I could go for either a M (53) or or L (56) Susie, and they'd both 
 work 
 for me. 

 I'd really prefer a 53 because of the 650B wheels, but want to double 
 check the fit before I pre-order. My 5'7" wife just got her 52 Clem L, and 
 I can ride it too but the top of the head tube is a bit low. It would 
 require a maxed out tall stem to get the bars up where I like them.

 Does anyone have a 53 Susie out there? How tall are you and how is it 
 working for you? 

 Can you upload a photo?

 Also if anyone can help: I'm trying to sort out what measurement to ask 
 for that would give me the top of the head tube height vs. top of seat 
 tube 
 height, so I can make sure the head tube is longer than on the Clem L, and 
 that I don't have to have a crazy high stem on the Susie if I buy the 53.

 Hope I'm making sense here.

 Thanks all!

 

 Paul

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[RBW] Re: Susie 53 - 56 Sizing Help Please!

[Garth]

   As a note in general about viewing frames on the Riv website. They use 
the same background for every bike they photograph. I used to remember how 
many centimeters there is in between each line, if someone recalls please 
do share. Using that same backdrop makes it easy to spot differences in 
heights between head tube and seat tube heights, whether you include the 
headset or not, as long as you're consistent. When I first saw the 
Susie/Gus it was easy to spot how much higher the HT was than any other Riv 
frame ! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie 53 - 56 Sizing Help Please!

[kim young]

Straight up in the air- from center of front axle . if there was an
imaginary line to top of headset cup- connects at about 58mm.
(But measuring up the fork angle to the cup,  is about 55.)

>From center of seat tube - just above the seat stay, to center of head tube
is about 62.5.


On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 3:00 AM ☆ Paul ☆  wrote:

> Hello David and Kim,
>
> Thanks for your notes, and for the picture and measurements.
>
> If one of you could do the following measurement for me, I'd be extremely
> grateful:
>
>
>- Could you please measure from the center of the front wheel axel a
>in straight line to the top of the headset (but not spacers).
>- Also could you please measure from the top of the seat tube
>(ignoring the little part that pokes out) parallel to the ground to where
>your tape measure hits the center of the head tube or stem? Measure from
>center of seat tube to center of head tube, if that makes sense. Someone
>else emailed me directly and is doing the same for a 56 for me. I'll post
>the results for everyone to see, if it's of use!
>
>
> That’s probably all I need. Thank you
>
> On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 2:41:23 AM UTC-4 Hetchins52 wrote:
>
>> Paul,
>>
>>
>> Still finishing up my 53 Susie but it’s done enough to give you some
>> measurements of head tube versus seat tube heights:
>>
>>
>> The head tube itself is 23 cm long but I don’t have a Clem L for
>> comparison. (It is 7 cm longer than the head tube of my 51 Appaloosa.)
>>
>>
>> Measuring from the top of the headset’s locknut to the ground is 95 cm.
>>
>>
>> I’ve installed a 10 cm Nitto DirtDrop stem and, at close to max
>> extension, that puts the bar center at about 110 cm from the ground.
>>
>>
>> Measuring from the top of the seat cluster lug (ignoring the pointy bit)
>> to the ground is 81 cm.
>>
>>
>> With the saddle at 73 cm extension from the bottom bracket center, saddle
>> center is 99 cm to the floor.
>>
>>
>> I'm 5' 8 ½" and my PBH is about 83 cm.
>>
>>
>> [Measurements are approximate….]
>>
>>
>> I’ll take it outside and take a picture tomorrow.
>>
>> David Lipsky
>> Berkeley, CA
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 8, 2020 at 5:04:05 PM UTC-7, ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Susie 53 - 56 Sizing Help Please!

[☆ Paul ☆]

Hello David and Kim,

Thanks for your notes, and for the picture and measurements.

If one of you could do the following measurement for me, I'd be extremely 
grateful:


   - Could you please measure from the center of the front wheel axel a in 
   straight line to the top of the headset (but not spacers).  
   - Also could you please measure from the top of the seat tube (ignoring 
   the little part that pokes out) parallel to the ground to where your tape 
   measure hits the center of the head tube or stem? Measure from center of 
   seat tube to center of head tube, if that makes sense. Someone else emailed 
   me directly and is doing the same for a 56 for me. I'll post the results 
   for everyone to see, if it's of use!
   

That’s probably all I need. Thank you

On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 2:41:23 AM UTC-4 Hetchins52 wrote:

> Paul,
>
> Still finishing up my 53 Susie but it’s done enough to give you some 
> measurements of head tube versus seat tube heights:
>
> The head tube itself is 23 cm long but I don’t have a Clem L for 
> comparison. (It is 7 cm longer than the head tube of my 51 Appaloosa.)
>
> Measuring from the top of the headset’s locknut to the ground is 95 cm.
>
> I’ve installed a 10 cm Nitto DirtDrop stem and, at close to max extension, 
> that puts the bar center at about 110 cm from the ground.
>
> Measuring from the top of the seat cluster lug (ignoring the pointy bit) 
> to the ground is 81 cm. 
>
> With the saddle at 73 cm extension from the bottom bracket center, saddle 
> center is 99 cm to the floor.
>
> I'm 5' 8 ½" and my PBH is about 83 cm.
>
> [Measurements are approximate….]
>
> I’ll take it outside and take a picture tomorrow.
>
> David Lipsky
> Berkeley, CA
>
> On Tuesday, September 8, 2020 at 5:04:05 PM UTC-7, ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
>>
>> .
>
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[RBW] Re: Susie 53 - 56 Sizing Help Please!

['Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Paul,

Still finishing up my 53 Susie but it’s done enough to give you some 
measurements of head tube versus seat tube heights:

The head tube itself is 23 cm long but I don’t have a Clem L for 
comparison. (It is 7 cm longer than the head tube of my 51 Appaloosa.)

Measuring from the top of the headset’s locknut to the ground is 95 cm.

I’ve installed a 10 cm Nitto DirtDrop stem and, at close to max extension, 
that puts the bar center at about 110 cm from the ground.

Measuring from the top of the seat cluster lug (ignoring the pointy bit) to 
the ground is 81 cm. 

With the saddle at 73 cm extension from the bottom bracket center, saddle 
center is 99 cm to the floor.

I'm 5' 8 ½" and my PBH is about 83 cm.

[Measurements are approximate….]

I’ll take it outside and take a picture tomorrow.

David Lipsky
Berkeley, CA

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[RBW] Re: Susie 53 - 56 Sizing Help Please!

[☆ Paul ☆]

Hi Mark.

Thanks for your note. Yes, I meant 75.5 saddle height, andI have a 85.5 PBH 
:). Long day at work. 

(My dad is the same height as me and is crazy bow-legged, and probably 
pulls off a 75 PBH, actually.)

Your ordering logic makes sense — I just really want to go the smaller 53 
frame with 650B if the frame will fit me. Don't want to get the size wrong 
when I pre-order as the frames always sell out by the time the order 
arrives!

Thanks 

Paul



On Tuesday, September 8, 2020 at 8:14:04 PM UTC-4, Mark Roland wrote:
>
> Hi Paul. I have a 52 Clem L and I am waiting on a Susie 56. I am also 
> 5'10" and I also spoke with Grant.  I suspect you meant saddle height 75.5, 
> not PBH? Anyway, I ride with my saddle these days in the neighborhood of 
> 74cm. I went with the 56/700c large Susie for a couple of reasons. First, I 
> already have the 650B Clem, and I really am in the zone where I could go 
> either way, so wanted to make the bikes as different as possible. Second, 
> Grant recommended going L. Third, they were out of M.
>
> On Tuesday, September 8, 2020 at 8:04:05 PM UTC-4, ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
>>
>> Hey Y'all.
>>
>> I spoke with Grant this afternoon, who told me that at 5'10 with 75.5 PBH 
>> I could go for either a M (53) or or L (56) Susie, and they'd both work for 
>> me. 
>>
>> I'd really prefer a 53 because of the 650B wheels, but want to double 
>> check the fit before I pre-order. My 5'7" wife just got her 52 Clem L, and 
>> I can ride it too but the top of the head tube is a bit low. It would 
>> require a maxed out tall stem to get the bars up where I like them.
>>
>> Does anyone have a 53 Susie out there? How tall are you and how is it 
>> working for you? 
>>
>> Can you upload a photo?
>>
>> Also if anyone can help: I'm trying to sort out what measurement to ask 
>> for that would give me the top of the head tube height vs. top of seat tube 
>> height, so I can make sure the head tube is longer than on the Clem L, and 
>> that I don't have to have a crazy high stem on the Susie if I buy the 53.
>>
>> Hope I'm making sense here.
>>
>> Thanks all!
>>
>> 
>>
>> Paul
>>
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[RBW] Re: Susie 53 - 56 Sizing Help Please!

[Mark Roland]

Hi Paul. I have a 52 Clem L and I am waiting on a Susie 56. I am also 5'10" 
and I also spoke with Grant.  I suspect you meant saddle height 75.5, not 
PBH? Anyway, I ride with my saddle these days in the neighborhood of 74cm. 
I went with the 56/700c large Susie for a couple of reasons. First, I 
already have the 650B Clem, and I really am in the zone where I could go 
either way, so wanted to make the bikes as different as possible. Second, 
Grant recommended going L. Third, they were out of M.

On Tuesday, September 8, 2020 at 8:04:05 PM UTC-4, ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
>
> Hey Y'all.
>
> I spoke with Grant this afternoon, who told me that at 5'10 with 75.5 PBH 
> I could go for either a M (53) or or L (56) Susie, and they'd both work for 
> me. 
>
> I'd really prefer a 53 because of the 650B wheels, but want to double 
> check the fit before I pre-order. My 5'7" wife just got her 52 Clem L, and 
> I can ride it too but the top of the head tube is a bit low. It would 
> require a maxed out tall stem to get the bars up where I like them.
>
> Does anyone have a 53 Susie out there? How tall are you and how is it 
> working for you? 
>
> Can you upload a photo?
>
> Also if anyone can help: I'm trying to sort out what measurement to ask 
> for that would give me the top of the head tube height vs. top of seat tube 
> height, so I can make sure the head tube is longer than on the Clem L, and 
> that I don't have to have a crazy high stem on the Susie if I buy the 53.
>
> Hope I'm making sense here.
>
> Thanks all!
>
> 
>
> Paul
>

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