[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
The good news is we don't have a philosophy, and we don't espouse a lifestyle. Membership gets you a 5% rebate, and free shipping on orders over $150, while requiring no allegiance. There is no secret handshake. No blood oath. Its a totally loan wolf deal. Cheers, John at RBW On Apr 14, 6:01 pm, usuk2007 clive.stand...@umassmed.edu wrote: I groan at the lifestyle/philosophy part. RBW is only a bike company. I like some of the bikes, I like some of the stuff they sell, I like some of the approach they espouse. The libertarian in me reacts against going with everything and joining the RBW club entirely. Which reminds me of a story a friend of mine once told me. When he was a teenager in the redneck bit of CT (his description) he was into muscle cars and he went to a big rally for all the local car clubs. There were loads of nice restorations and a lot of competition between different clubs. Off to the side was a latino guy all by himself and he had the best and craziest car at the rally. Propped up on the hood was a cardboard sign with the following acronym L.W.N.C.A. my friend asked what it stood for...Lone Wolf No Club Affiliation There's I guy I admire, I'd join his cluboh wait a minute. On Apr 14, 8:31 pm, Paul Sanders clown.emp...@gmail.com wrote: Rivendell is a fascinating company to me, on many levels. The groans (to me) are actually what I love most about them. I bought their wool penant and have it on my office wall...only because I loved the product description all time worst seller. I thought the Bombadil double top tubes were preposterous when I first saw them. Now I own the bike. That probably says more about me than Rivendell. I think the bikes are works of art, and the products all support an overall philosophy. It's like strange art that I can use and ride. Or, maybe like music that you don't always like at first, but really grows on you. I thought John Coltrane was tedious at one point in my life. Now I want Interstellar Space on vinyl AND iTunes :-) Paul On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 7:02 PM, usuk2007 clive.stand...@umassmed.eduwrote: I'm interested in the amount of comment my original question has provoked. From all that I can learn from reading and sales interactions RBW seems like a good company. I like their bikes (I have 3), but nothing is perfect and all great things are worthy of criticism and that should be encouraged to produce improvement. I do not agree with all things Rivendell, I ride clipless, would not be seen dead in MUSA knickers with braces and haven't warmed to the new bikes yet, but I enjoy the perspective of RBW as it's an important part of the cycling world. For the majority of cyclists it should be far more relevant than the racing style. But I still sit glued to the Spring Classics and would ride a Specialized Roubaix if I thought I could do it justice or it had any relevance to the way I ride, but I can't average 25mph over a hundred miles. I like to tour, ride to the shops and do the odd club ride so the Rambouillet is perfect for me. On Apr 14, 5:51 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Grant's personal bikes are the epitomy of beausage. http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/bicycle_models#product=50-998 Hopefully the link will work and take you to the picture of Grant's AHH. That bike looks so perfect. Also check this old shot of his Saluki. Be sure to scroll down to the bottom of the page. http://web.archive.org/web/20060321050644/www.rivbike.com/html/bikes_... On Apr 14, 8:16 am, Shaun Meehan meehan.sh...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:08 AM, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote: Ok. I can't stand being culturally out of the loop any longer. What is beausage? George Strickler It's Grant's concept of beauty through usage. The idea that the small nicks and scratches in your bike's paint and the natural wear on your leather saddle, etc. actually adds to the beauty of your bike. Shaun Meehan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
PS: And we never forget that we wouldn't be around without the support of a lot of really nice people. We are always very appreciative of that. All the best, John at RBW On Apr 15, 6:13 am, John at Rivendell j...@rivbike.com wrote: The good news is we don't have a philosophy, and we don't espouse a lifestyle. Membership gets you a 5% rebate, and free shipping on orders over $150, while requiring no allegiance. There is no secret handshake. No blood oath. Its a totally loan wolf deal. Cheers, John at RBW On Apr 14, 6:01 pm, usuk2007 clive.stand...@umassmed.edu wrote: I groan at the lifestyle/philosophy part. RBW is only a bike company. I like some of the bikes, I like some of the stuff they sell, I like some of the approach they espouse. The libertarian in me reacts against going with everything and joining the RBW club entirely. Which reminds me of a story a friend of mine once told me. When he was a teenager in the redneck bit of CT (his description) he was into muscle cars and he went to a big rally for all the local car clubs. There were loads of nice restorations and a lot of competition between different clubs. Off to the side was a latino guy all by himself and he had the best and craziest car at the rally. Propped up on the hood was a cardboard sign with the following acronym L.W.N.C.A. my friend asked what it stood for...Lone Wolf No Club Affiliation There's I guy I admire, I'd join his cluboh wait a minute. On Apr 14, 8:31 pm, Paul Sanders clown.emp...@gmail.com wrote: Rivendell is a fascinating company to me, on many levels. The groans (to me) are actually what I love most about them. I bought their wool penant and have it on my office wall...only because I loved the product description all time worst seller. I thought the Bombadil double top tubes were preposterous when I first saw them. Now I own the bike. That probably says more about me than Rivendell. I think the bikes are works of art, and the products all support an overall philosophy. It's like strange art that I can use and ride. Or, maybe like music that you don't always like at first, but really grows on you. I thought John Coltrane was tedious at one point in my life. Now I want Interstellar Space on vinyl AND iTunes :-) Paul On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 7:02 PM, usuk2007 clive.stand...@umassmed.eduwrote: I'm interested in the amount of comment my original question has provoked. From all that I can learn from reading and sales interactions RBW seems like a good company. I like their bikes (I have 3), but nothing is perfect and all great things are worthy of criticism and that should be encouraged to produce improvement. I do not agree with all things Rivendell, I ride clipless, would not be seen dead in MUSA knickers with braces and haven't warmed to the new bikes yet, but I enjoy the perspective of RBW as it's an important part of the cycling world. For the majority of cyclists it should be far more relevant than the racing style. But I still sit glued to the Spring Classics and would ride a Specialized Roubaix if I thought I could do it justice or it had any relevance to the way I ride, but I can't average 25mph over a hundred miles. I like to tour, ride to the shops and do the odd club ride so the Rambouillet is perfect for me. On Apr 14, 5:51 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Grant's personal bikes are the epitomy of beausage. http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/bicycle_models#product=50-998 Hopefully the link will work and take you to the picture of Grant's AHH. That bike looks so perfect. Also check this old shot of his Saluki. Be sure to scroll down to the bottom of the page. http://web.archive.org/web/20060321050644/www.rivbike.com/html/bikes_... On Apr 14, 8:16 am, Shaun Meehan meehan.sh...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:08 AM, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote: Ok. I can't stand being culturally out of the loop any longer. What is beausage? George Strickler It's Grant's concept of beauty through usage. The idea that the small nicks and scratches in your bike's paint and the natural wear on your leather saddle, etc. actually adds to the beauty of your bike. Shaun Meehan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
Probably already touched on in this remarkable thread, but Riv's stepping up for the 650b side of things has certainly made my bleriot- infused life more fulfilling and comfortable. And on the lifestyle issue, I would offer a small quibble, John, and suggest that some of Riv's (sage) advice can and does lead to what might be called lifestyle changes, at least in the folks fortunate enough to be on the receiving end. In that vein, cheers for the advocates for the S240 bike trip. The juries still out for me on the seersucker option. I live in the South, and never felt appreciably cooler in my seersucker suit over the super-light tropical weight wool ones in Georgia's July heat. I guess I figured the color was the main advantage, that and they come pretty cheap. So I remain skeptical, but am willing to give it a go. If it turns out half as well as my experience with my purchase of the wool undies, we will have a new uniform for the coming summer's commute. (There will be shorts involved, yes . . . ) I sip the koolaid, and regularly find it delicious, refreshing. #1 Best Quality of Rivendell Bicycle Works: Thoughtfulness. On Apr 15, 9:20 am, John at Rivendell j...@rivbike.com wrote: PS: And we never forget that we wouldn't be around without the support of a lot of really nice people. We are always very appreciative of that. All the best, John at RBW On Apr 15, 6:13 am, John at Rivendell j...@rivbike.com wrote: The good news is we don't have a philosophy, and we don't espouse a lifestyle. Membership gets you a 5% rebate, and free shipping on orders over $150, while requiring no allegiance. There is no secret handshake. No blood oath. Its a totally loan wolf deal. Cheers, John at RBW On Apr 14, 6:01 pm, usuk2007 clive.stand...@umassmed.edu wrote: I groan at the lifestyle/philosophy part. RBW is only a bike company. I like some of the bikes, I like some of the stuff they sell, I like some of the approach they espouse. The libertarian in me reacts against going with everything and joining the RBW club entirely. Which reminds me of a story a friend of mine once told me. When he was a teenager in the redneck bit of CT (his description) he was into muscle cars and he went to a big rally for all the local car clubs. There were loads of nice restorations and a lot of competition between different clubs. Off to the side was a latino guy all by himself and he had the best and craziest car at the rally. Propped up on the hood was a cardboard sign with the following acronym L.W.N.C.A. my friend asked what it stood for...Lone Wolf No Club Affiliation There's I guy I admire, I'd join his cluboh wait a minute. On Apr 14, 8:31 pm, Paul Sanders clown.emp...@gmail.com wrote: Rivendell is a fascinating company to me, on many levels. The groans (to me) are actually what I love most about them. I bought their wool penant and have it on my office wall...only because I loved the product description all time worst seller. I thought the Bombadil double top tubes were preposterous when I first saw them. Now I own the bike. That probably says more about me than Rivendell. I think the bikes are works of art, and the products all support an overall philosophy. It's like strange art that I can use and ride. Or, maybe like music that you don't always like at first, but really grows on you. I thought John Coltrane was tedious at one point in my life. Now I want Interstellar Space on vinyl AND iTunes :-) Paul On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 7:02 PM, usuk2007 clive.stand...@umassmed.eduwrote: I'm interested in the amount of comment my original question has provoked. From all that I can learn from reading and sales interactions RBW seems like a good company. I like their bikes (I have 3), but nothing is perfect and all great things are worthy of criticism and that should be encouraged to produce improvement. I do not agree with all things Rivendell, I ride clipless, would not be seen dead in MUSA knickers with braces and haven't warmed to the new bikes yet, but I enjoy the perspective of RBW as it's an important part of the cycling world. For the majority of cyclists it should be far more relevant than the racing style. But I still sit glued to the Spring Classics and would ride a Specialized Roubaix if I thought I could do it justice or it had any relevance to the way I ride, but I can't average 25mph over a hundred miles. I like to tour, ride to the shops and do the odd club ride so the Rambouillet is perfect for me. On Apr 14, 5:51 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Grant's personal bikes are the epitomy of beausage. http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/bicycle_models#product=50-998 Hopefully the link will work and take you to the picture of Grant's AHH. That
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
Quoting John at Rivendell j...@rivbike.com: The good news is we don't have a philosophy, and we don't espouse a lifestyle. Membership gets you a 5% rebate, and free shipping on orders over $150, while requiring no allegiance. There is no secret handshake. No blood oath. And, you don't actually have to drink the Kool-Aid... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
Now that's cool! I love the fairing Maybe the customers of RBW buy into the lifestyle thing more that RBW prompts it...but that's a big maybe. I think RBW is as much about image as a company like Rapha. Both sell some nice stuff, both sell some bad stuff, both have good things to say and both have to be taken with a grain of salt some times, particularly Rapha's prices. But both are positives in the world of cycling and it's good for customers to prick the bubble once in a while. I like RBW, but I still laugh at some of the stuff just as much as I laugh at fat guys on carbon bikes, the Rapha tweed jacket http://www.rapha.cc/index.php?page=539 and at my 48 year old reflection in a pair of lycra cycling shorts..I didn't buy them as it was not a pretty sight. But I did buy some marked down Rapha knickers as those looked good (it's still about image) and had lots of pockets. On Apr 14, 11:10 pm, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: This is the only Lone Wolf cyclist I'm aware of: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_wb8bAl1P-N0/Scd_PFqVkpI/Go0/OmfzWsq... On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 6:01 PM, usuk2007 clive.stand...@umassmed.eduwrote: I groan at the lifestyle/philosophy part. RBW is only a bike company. I like some of the bikes, I like some of the stuff they sell, I like some of the approach they espouse. The libertarian in me reacts against going with everything and joining the RBW club entirely. Which reminds me of a story a friend of mine once told me. When he was a teenager in the redneck bit of CT (his description) he was into muscle cars and he went to a big rally for all the local car clubs. There were loads of nice restorations and a lot of competition between different clubs. Off to the side was a latino guy all by himself and he had the best and craziest car at the rally. Propped up on the hood was a cardboard sign with the following acronym L.W.N.C.A. my friend asked what it stood for...Lone Wolf No Club Affiliation There's I guy I admire, I'd join his cluboh wait a minute. On Apr 14, 8:31 pm, Paul Sanders clown.emp...@gmail.com wrote: Rivendell is a fascinating company to me, on many levels. The groans (to me) are actually what I love most about them. I bought their wool penant and have it on my office wall...only because I loved the product description all time worst seller. I thought the Bombadil double top tubes were preposterous when I first saw them. Now I own the bike. That probably says more about me than Rivendell. I think the bikes are works of art, and the products all support an overall philosophy. It's like strange art that I can use and ride. Or, maybe like music that you don't always like at first, but really grows on you. I thought John Coltrane was tedious at one point in my life. Now I want Interstellar Space on vinyl AND iTunes :-) Paul On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 7:02 PM, usuk2007 clive.stand...@umassmed.edu wrote: I'm interested in the amount of comment my original question has provoked. From all that I can learn from reading and sales interactions RBW seems like a good company. I like their bikes (I have 3), but nothing is perfect and all great things are worthy of criticism and that should be encouraged to produce improvement. I do not agree with all things Rivendell, I ride clipless, would not be seen dead in MUSA knickers with braces and haven't warmed to the new bikes yet, but I enjoy the perspective of RBW as it's an important part of the cycling world. For the majority of cyclists it should be far more relevant than the racing style. But I still sit glued to the Spring Classics and would ride a Specialized Roubaix if I thought I could do it justice or it had any relevance to the way I ride, but I can't average 25mph over a hundred miles. I like to tour, ride to the shops and do the odd club ride so the Rambouillet is perfect for me. On Apr 14, 5:51 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Grant's personal bikes are the epitomy of beausage. http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/bicycle_models#product=50-998 Hopefully the link will work and take you to the picture of Grant's AHH. That bike looks so perfect. Also check this old shot of his Saluki. Be sure to scroll down to the bottom of the page. http://web.archive.org/web/20060321050644/www.rivbike.com/html/bikes_... On Apr 14, 8:16 am, Shaun Meehan meehan.sh...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:08 AM, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote: Ok. I can't stand being culturally out of the loop any longer. What is beausage? George Strickler It's Grant's concept of beauty through usage. The idea that the small nicks and scratches in your bike's paint and the natural wear on your leather saddle, etc. actually adds to the beauty of your bike. Shaun
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
on 4/15/09 6:13 AM, John at Rivendell at j...@rivbike.com wrote: The good news is we don't have a philosophy, and we don't espouse a lifestyle. Membership gets you a 5% rebate, and free shipping on orders over $150, while requiring no allegiance. There is no secret handshake. No blood oath. Its a totally loan wolf deal. I'm lucky to count the RBWHQL* as my LBS. (I'm also lucky enough that it's far enough away that I can't get there very often.) So, it always creates a headshake moment when people make broad and general claims about RBW's philosophy, lifestyle, attitude or what-not. I'd bet that some (if not most) of that comes from only knowing them from written word, website or a short phone call. When you meet them in person, you get the understanding that they are a pretty diverse set of folks, with a common set of interests. Y'know, kinda like us here on this list. As I think I've said before, it's a big ol' tent with open sides. Take what you need. Leave what you don't. Respect and honor those who are on the journey. Thanks for making this an interesting trip so far. - Jim *Rivendell Bicycle Works Headquarters and Lair - best said in a Dr. Evil voice... -- Jim Edgar / List Admin cyclofi...@earthlink.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
John: Well, there is a Rivendell philosophy (as with most businesses), and I happen to like it just fine. I'm putting my own spin on it but something like sensible bikes and related stuff that you're really going to use in the real world. Love my Atlantis and various wooly bits but also have allowed Lycra to touch my Brooks saddle. Doug still waiting for my secret Riv de-coder ring P -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John at Rivendell Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 6:14 AM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan The good news is we don't have a philosophy, and we don't espouse a lifestyle. Membership gets you a 5% rebate, and free shipping on orders over $150, while requiring no allegiance. There is no secret handshake. No blood oath. Its a totally loan wolf deal. Cheers, John at RBW --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
Groan: That an unintended consequence of Riv philosophy is groups of people who are entirely too equipment-centric. Been a part of bicycle culture for many decades before Riv even existed, currently has dozens of totally non-Riv related (Campy only anyone?) counterparts. And, more to my point, there are similar cultures in every form of transportation. Heck there are even saddle and shoe fanciers among the horsey set. On Apr 14, 4:36 am, Robert Linthicum linthi...@gmail.com wrote: Love: That GP and friends forward a bike as you are philosophy Groan: That an unintended consequence of Riv philosophy is groups of people who are entirely too equipment-centric. Bob On Apr 11, 10:34 pm, usuk2007 clive.stand...@umassmed.edu wrote: Things I love Rambouillet, Quickbeam angled dropouts, Ruffy Tuffy tyres Things that make me groan Speedblend tyres, Nigel Smyth mud flaps. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
Love: That GP and friends forward a bike as you are philosophy Groan: That an unintended consequence of Riv philosophy is groups of people who are entirely too equipment-centric. Bob On Apr 11, 10:34 pm, usuk2007 clive.stand...@umassmed.edu wrote: Things I love Rambouillet, Quickbeam angled dropouts, Ruffy Tuffy tyres Things that make me groan Speedblend tyres, Nigel Smyth mud flaps. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
Well said! Grant brought sanity back to recreational cycling, practically single-handedly as far as I can tell. (not that I've looked much.) I found Rivendell when I was waiting for a busted collarbone to heal, surfing for something to replace my too-small aluminum Trek road bike. (which I feel contributed to the collarbone-breaking crash due to my low-bars, too much weight forward position) A link somewhere led me to an early scanned online version of Grant's Raise 'dat stem! article and it made so much sense! I went with a Waterford rather than a Riv at that point, so I could order it through my local shop, but Grant's advice helped me size it, and when I replaced it with a Heron Road I was hooked...I've since added a Rambouillet, a Saluki and somewhere in there picked up a lightly used '93 XO-1. Banana Bags rocked! Rambouillets rolled! Noodles are nifty! Barend shifters, lugs, pine tar soap, 650b, puffy, road tires. These are a few of my favorite Rivendell thingsand anything I've tried and didn't care for was strictly because it didn't work for me personally, and that's hardly groan-worthy. Steve Frederick, East Lansing, MI -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Mojo Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 6:02 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan I came to Rivendell from the Bridgestone Owners Bunch, which I came to late when I finally bought a '94 MB-1. I loved the Bob Gazzette I got, and ordered some small stuff. But then suddenly, Bridgestone USA was gone, and I was bummed like I lost a fun long-distance friend. I was also bummed since I had yet to buy a XO bike that just looked like a alot of fun. In the mid-90s I was 5-years past my last USCF license still riding a small, tight, performance bike, but for fitness, commuting, and some errands. I knew I wanted a less-aggressive, more comfortable position. I knew I want to be able to carry stuff on my bike, not just my back. I also had an old 1966 era 3-speed that needed a new brooks saddle. Then the first Rivendell catalog (more like a flyer) came and there were Brooks along with Grant's musings about bigger frames and larger clearances, fatter tires, saddle bags, and maybe most important, simplicity. Nobody else was doing this. This was a unique, nearly radical, view of cycling for me anyway. I loved it. This company knew exactly my needs and had a plan. And they were selling an upgraded XO called an AllRounder. I was hooked. Grant and Rivendell saved me from a real rut in my cycling and provided a new way to view a life-long pursuit/sport. I don't buy off on all things Rivendell, but nothing makes me groan. I just want to say Thank You to this unique company who has kept me on the road. Though I have never met any of the staff, I consider them my friends. Thanks Friends, thanks alot. Let me know if you ever need some help and I can return the favor. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Brad thegan...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I'm really surprised at the number of people choosing to Groan about Rivendell. Sure, nothing and nobody is perfect but what is the point of this really? If you have the time and energy to complain about a company so desperately trying to do the right thing with a level of transparency that is all but unheard of today, then the rest of your life must be just peachy? I've not read a single sermon; I don't at all agree with all the groans but I see no reason not to have a wish list of what Rivendell lacks -- as I think it lacks (typlogically, not necessarily stragetically) a RB-1 type frame, but I don't *complain* that it hasn't one. I'll bet Riv could sell a passle of RB-1 updates; what do y'all think? And from the absurd prices XOs fetch, a huger passle of XO updates. But they now like fat tires and dirt roads, and that's fine. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
Ok. I can't stand being culturally out of the loop any longer. What is beausage? George Strickler On Apr 13, 8:40 am, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: Love: Grant's cycling philosophy and writing style, his willingness to put new ideas into the stream, and the general wackiness like the ongoing 'e'-less Raven contest. The value of beausage (whether you like his word for it or not). I also support the idea of the new Taiwanese-built frames, in the hope that it means i can eventually afford a Quickbeam-like frame. Meh: Lack of continuity in things like the bike bags. I'm sure this is as much as supplier issue as anything, but it would be good to have a core lineup of things like the Atlantis. I liked the Speedblends too, i thought they were pretty cool, but probably too expensive for the younger crowd that might take to them better. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:08 AM, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote: Ok. I can't stand being culturally out of the loop any longer. What is beausage? George Strickler It's Grant's concept of beauty through usage. The idea that the small nicks and scratches in your bike's paint and the natural wear on your leather saddle, etc. actually adds to the beauty of your bike. Shaun Meehan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
Patrick, I'm not sure where you got sermon from my post, I said peachy not preachy. :) Brad On Apr 14, 6:26 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Brad thegan...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I'm really surprised at the number of people choosing to Groan about Rivendell. Sure, nothing and nobody is perfect but what is the point of this really? If you have the time and energy to complain about a company so desperately trying to do the right thing with a level of transparency that is all but unheard of today, then the rest of your life must be just peachy? I've not read a single sermon; I don't at all agree with all the groans but I see no reason not to have a wish list of what Rivendell lacks -- as I think it lacks (typlogically, not necessarily stragetically) a RB-1 type frame, but I don't *complain* that it hasn't one. I'll bet Riv could sell a passle of RB-1 updates; what do y'all think? And from the absurd prices XOs fetch, a huger passle of XO updates. But they now like fat tires and dirt roads, and that's fine. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Shaun Meehan meehan.sh...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:08 AM, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote: Ok. I can't stand being culturally out of the loop any longer. What is beausage? George Strickler It's Grant's concept of beauty through usage. The idea that the small nicks and scratches in your bike's paint and the natural wear on your leather saddle, etc. actually adds to the beauty of your bike. The idea is also somewhat related to the Japanese concept of wabi-sabi, for further reading. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
And it's pronounced bow SAHHHJ despite what its inventor says! On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Shaun Meehan meehan.sh...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:08 AM, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote: Ok. I can't stand being culturally out of the loop any longer. What is beausage? George Strickler It's Grant's concept of beauty through usage. The idea that the small nicks and scratches in your bike's paint and the natural wear on your leather saddle, etc. actually adds to the beauty of your bike. Shaun Meehan -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
And all that confusion over the absence of one letter. Patrick Moore, whose life is neither preachy nor peachy. On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Brad thegan...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Patrick, I'm not sure where you got sermon from my post, I said peachy not preachy. :) Brad On Apr 14, 6:26 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Brad thegan...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I'm really surprised at the number of people choosing to Groan about Rivendell. Sure, nothing and nobody is perfect but what is the point of this really? If you have the time and energy to complain about a company so desperately trying to do the right thing with a level of transparency that is all but unheard of today, then the rest of your life must be just peachy? I've not read a single sermon; I don't at all agree with all the groans but I see no reason not to have a wish list of what Rivendell lacks -- as I think it lacks (typlogically, not necessarily stragetically) a RB-1 type frame, but I don't *complain* that it hasn't one. I'll bet Riv could sell a passle of RB-1 updates; what do y'all think? And from the absurd prices XOs fetch, a huger passle of XO updates. But they now like fat tires and dirt roads, and that's fine. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
Please stop the groaning. It's embarrassing, it's bugging Grant, and it serves no purpose. On Apr 14, 11:51 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: And all that confusion over the absence of one letter. Patrick Moore, whose life is neither preachy nor peachy. On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Brad thegan...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Patrick, I'm not sure where you got sermon from my post, I said peachy not preachy. :) Brad On Apr 14, 6:26 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Brad thegan...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I'm really surprised at the number of people choosing to Groan about Rivendell. Sure, nothing and nobody is perfect but what is the point of this really? If you have the time and energy to complain about a company so desperately trying to do the right thing with a level of transparency that is all but unheard of today, then the rest of your life must be just peachy? I've not read a single sermon; I don't at all agree with all the groans but I see no reason not to have a wish list of what Rivendell lacks -- as I think it lacks (typlogically, not necessarily stragetically) a RB-1 type frame, but I don't *complain* that it hasn't one. I'll bet Riv could sell a passle of RB-1 updates; what do y'all think? And from the absurd prices XOs fetch, a huger passle of XO updates. But they now like fat tires and dirt roads, and that's fine. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
Oh lighten up, alla youse! Patrick damn well gonna groan when I want to groan Moore On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Atlantean softlysoftlycatcheemon...@gmail.com wrote: Please stop the groaning. It's embarrassing, it's bugging Grant, and it serves no purpose. On Apr 14, 11:51 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: And all that confusion over the absence of one letter. Patrick Moore, whose life is neither preachy nor peachy. On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Brad thegan...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Patrick, I'm not sure where you got sermon from my post, I said peachy not preachy. :) Brad On Apr 14, 6:26 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Brad thegan...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I'm really surprised at the number of people choosing to Groan about Rivendell. Sure, nothing and nobody is perfect but what is the point of this really? If you have the time and energy to complain about a company so desperately trying to do the right thing with a level of transparency that is all but unheard of today, then the rest of your life must be just peachy? I've not read a single sermon; I don't at all agree with all the groans but I see no reason not to have a wish list of what Rivendell lacks -- as I think it lacks (typlogically, not necessarily stragetically) a RB-1 type frame, but I don't *complain* that it hasn't one. I'll bet Riv could sell a passle of RB-1 updates; what do y'all think? And from the absurd prices XOs fetch, a huger passle of XO updates. But they now like fat tires and dirt roads, and that's fine. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
Quoting PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com: Oh lighten up, alla youse! Patrick damn well gonna groan when I want to groan Moore It's my party and I'll Groan if I want to Moan if I want to And you'd groan too If it happened to you : ___ : / . . \ :I I : OOO---| |---OOO : (___) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
Damn, is it raining everywhere? Is that why you guys ain't riding? Wet in Kentucky, Bill In a message dated 4/14/2009 2:56:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, softlysoftlycatcheemon...@gmail.com writes: Please stop the groaning. It's embarrassing, it's bugging Grant, and it serves no purpose. **The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221421325x1201417411/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26h mpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilAvgfooterNO62) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 3:27 PM, bpus...@aol.com wrote: Damn, is it raining everywhere? Is that why you guys ain't riding? Wet in Kentucky, 65 and sunny in Minnesota ALL WEEK. Don't be surprised if we're very very quiet on the list this week (outside of work hours anyway). -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
It's nice and mostly sunny here, and I've already put in 18 miles* (thanks to leaving my keys at the PO and having to double back to retrieve them). And I anticipate 11 1/2 miles home, *with* a tailwind! * That included torking 45 lbs -- a PB -- (yep, weighed the two Jannd Packers) up a very, very steep hill on my 66 1973 Motobecane grocery fixed gear. My 54 year old knees are fine, thank you. On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 2:27 PM, bpus...@aol.com wrote: Damn, is it raining everywhere? Is that why you guys ain't riding? Wet in Kentucky, Bill In a message dated 4/14/2009 2:56:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, softlysoftlycatcheemon...@gmail.com writes: Please stop the groaning. It's embarrassing, it's bugging Grant, and it serves no purpose. -- *The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps!http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221421325x1201417411/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilAvgfooterNO62 * -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: 65 and sunny in Minnesota ALL WEEK. Don't be surprised if we're very very quiet on the list this week (outside of work hours anyway). I second that (especially the outside of work hours pat)! Rode my bike to work today for the first time in a long while. I was really defeated by the cold this year. It felt nice riding in this morning at 35 degrees Fahrenheit. It should be REALLY nice on the way home! Shaun Meehan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: 65 and sunny in Minnesota ALL WEEK. Don't be surprised if we're very very quiet on the list this week (outside of work hours anyway). I second that (especially the outside of work hours pat)! Rode my bike to work today for the first time in a long while. I was really defeated by the cold this year. It felt nice riding in this morning at 35 degrees Fahrenheit. It should be REALLY nice on the way home! Shaun Meehan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
Since we're now giving weather reports, ride reports and in some cases telling other list members what they should and shouldn't be doing, perhaps this is a good time to start a new topic with appropriate subject info and let this one whither. - Jim / minimalistically list-admining, as this week is crazy -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
Grant's personal bikes are the epitomy of beausage. http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/bicycle_models#product=50-998 Hopefully the link will work and take you to the picture of Grant's AHH. That bike looks so perfect. Also check this old shot of his Saluki. Be sure to scroll down to the bottom of the page. http://web.archive.org/web/20060321050644/www.rivbike.com/html/bikes_saluki.html On Apr 14, 8:16 am, Shaun Meehan meehan.sh...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:08 AM, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote: Ok. I can't stand being culturally out of the loop any longer. What is beausage? George Strickler It's Grant's concept of beauty through usage. The idea that the small nicks and scratches in your bike's paint and the natural wear on your leather saddle, etc. actually adds to the beauty of your bike. Shaun Meehan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 11:50 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote: And it's pronounced bow SAHHHJ despite what its inventor says! It definitely does not rhyme with sausage --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
I'm interested in the amount of comment my original question has provoked. From all that I can learn from reading and sales interactions RBW seems like a good company. I like their bikes (I have 3), but nothing is perfect and all great things are worthy of criticism and that should be encouraged to produce improvement. I do not agree with all things Rivendell, I ride clipless, would not be seen dead in MUSA knickers with braces and haven't warmed to the new bikes yet, but I enjoy the perspective of RBW as it's an important part of the cycling world. For the majority of cyclists it should be far more relevant than the racing style. But I still sit glued to the Spring Classics and would ride a Specialized Roubaix if I thought I could do it justice or it had any relevance to the way I ride, but I can't average 25mph over a hundred miles. I like to tour, ride to the shops and do the odd club ride so the Rambouillet is perfect for me. On Apr 14, 5:51 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Grant's personal bikes are the epitomy of beausage.http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/bicycle_models#product=50-998 Hopefully the link will work and take you to the picture of Grant's AHH. That bike looks so perfect. Also check this old shot of his Saluki. Be sure to scroll down to the bottom of the page. http://web.archive.org/web/20060321050644/www.rivbike.com/html/bikes_... On Apr 14, 8:16 am, Shaun Meehan meehan.sh...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:08 AM, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote: Ok. I can't stand being culturally out of the loop any longer. What is beausage? George Strickler It's Grant's concept of beauty through usage. The idea that the small nicks and scratches in your bike's paint and the natural wear on your leather saddle, etc. actually adds to the beauty of your bike. Shaun Meehan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
Rivendell is a fascinating company to me, on many levels. The groans (to me) are actually what I love most about them. I bought their wool penant and have it on my office wall...only because I loved the product description all time worst seller. I thought the Bombadil double top tubes were preposterous when I first saw them. Now I own the bike. That probably says more about me than Rivendell. I think the bikes are works of art, and the products all support an overall philosophy. It's like strange art that I can use and ride. Or, maybe like music that you don't always like at first, but really grows on you. I thought John Coltrane was tedious at one point in my life. Now I want Interstellar Space on vinyl AND iTunes :-) Paul On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 7:02 PM, usuk2007 clive.stand...@umassmed.eduwrote: I'm interested in the amount of comment my original question has provoked. From all that I can learn from reading and sales interactions RBW seems like a good company. I like their bikes (I have 3), but nothing is perfect and all great things are worthy of criticism and that should be encouraged to produce improvement. I do not agree with all things Rivendell, I ride clipless, would not be seen dead in MUSA knickers with braces and haven't warmed to the new bikes yet, but I enjoy the perspective of RBW as it's an important part of the cycling world. For the majority of cyclists it should be far more relevant than the racing style. But I still sit glued to the Spring Classics and would ride a Specialized Roubaix if I thought I could do it justice or it had any relevance to the way I ride, but I can't average 25mph over a hundred miles. I like to tour, ride to the shops and do the odd club ride so the Rambouillet is perfect for me. On Apr 14, 5:51 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Grant's personal bikes are the epitomy of beausage. http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/bicycle_models#product=50-998 Hopefully the link will work and take you to the picture of Grant's AHH. That bike looks so perfect. Also check this old shot of his Saluki. Be sure to scroll down to the bottom of the page. http://web.archive.org/web/20060321050644/www.rivbike.com/html/bikes_... On Apr 14, 8:16 am, Shaun Meehan meehan.sh...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:08 AM, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote: Ok. I can't stand being culturally out of the loop any longer. What is beausage? George Strickler It's Grant's concept of beauty through usage. The idea that the small nicks and scratches in your bike's paint and the natural wear on your leather saddle, etc. actually adds to the beauty of your bike. Shaun Meehan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
I groan at the lifestyle/philosophy part. RBW is only a bike company. I like some of the bikes, I like some of the stuff they sell, I like some of the approach they espouse. The libertarian in me reacts against going with everything and joining the RBW club entirely. Which reminds me of a story a friend of mine once told me. When he was a teenager in the redneck bit of CT (his description) he was into muscle cars and he went to a big rally for all the local car clubs. There were loads of nice restorations and a lot of competition between different clubs. Off to the side was a latino guy all by himself and he had the best and craziest car at the rally. Propped up on the hood was a cardboard sign with the following acronym L.W.N.C.A. my friend asked what it stood for...Lone Wolf No Club Affiliation There's I guy I admire, I'd join his cluboh wait a minute. On Apr 14, 8:31 pm, Paul Sanders clown.emp...@gmail.com wrote: Rivendell is a fascinating company to me, on many levels. The groans (to me) are actually what I love most about them. I bought their wool penant and have it on my office wall...only because I loved the product description all time worst seller. I thought the Bombadil double top tubes were preposterous when I first saw them. Now I own the bike. That probably says more about me than Rivendell. I think the bikes are works of art, and the products all support an overall philosophy. It's like strange art that I can use and ride. Or, maybe like music that you don't always like at first, but really grows on you. I thought John Coltrane was tedious at one point in my life. Now I want Interstellar Space on vinyl AND iTunes :-) Paul On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 7:02 PM, usuk2007 clive.stand...@umassmed.eduwrote: I'm interested in the amount of comment my original question has provoked. From all that I can learn from reading and sales interactions RBW seems like a good company. I like their bikes (I have 3), but nothing is perfect and all great things are worthy of criticism and that should be encouraged to produce improvement. I do not agree with all things Rivendell, I ride clipless, would not be seen dead in MUSA knickers with braces and haven't warmed to the new bikes yet, but I enjoy the perspective of RBW as it's an important part of the cycling world. For the majority of cyclists it should be far more relevant than the racing style. But I still sit glued to the Spring Classics and would ride a Specialized Roubaix if I thought I could do it justice or it had any relevance to the way I ride, but I can't average 25mph over a hundred miles. I like to tour, ride to the shops and do the odd club ride so the Rambouillet is perfect for me. On Apr 14, 5:51 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Grant's personal bikes are the epitomy of beausage. http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/bicycle_models#product=50-998 Hopefully the link will work and take you to the picture of Grant's AHH. That bike looks so perfect. Also check this old shot of his Saluki. Be sure to scroll down to the bottom of the page. http://web.archive.org/web/20060321050644/www.rivbike.com/html/bikes_... On Apr 14, 8:16 am, Shaun Meehan meehan.sh...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:08 AM, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote: Ok. I can't stand being culturally out of the loop any longer. What is beausage? George Strickler It's Grant's concept of beauty through usage. The idea that the small nicks and scratches in your bike's paint and the natural wear on your leather saddle, etc. actually adds to the beauty of your bike. Shaun Meehan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
This is the only Lone Wolf cyclist I'm aware of: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_wb8bAl1P-N0/Scd_PFqVkpI/Go0/OmfzWsq8zUw/s1600-h/lonewolf.jpg On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 6:01 PM, usuk2007 clive.stand...@umassmed.eduwrote: I groan at the lifestyle/philosophy part. RBW is only a bike company. I like some of the bikes, I like some of the stuff they sell, I like some of the approach they espouse. The libertarian in me reacts against going with everything and joining the RBW club entirely. Which reminds me of a story a friend of mine once told me. When he was a teenager in the redneck bit of CT (his description) he was into muscle cars and he went to a big rally for all the local car clubs. There were loads of nice restorations and a lot of competition between different clubs. Off to the side was a latino guy all by himself and he had the best and craziest car at the rally. Propped up on the hood was a cardboard sign with the following acronym L.W.N.C.A. my friend asked what it stood for...Lone Wolf No Club Affiliation There's I guy I admire, I'd join his cluboh wait a minute. On Apr 14, 8:31 pm, Paul Sanders clown.emp...@gmail.com wrote: Rivendell is a fascinating company to me, on many levels. The groans (to me) are actually what I love most about them. I bought their wool penant and have it on my office wall...only because I loved the product description all time worst seller. I thought the Bombadil double top tubes were preposterous when I first saw them. Now I own the bike. That probably says more about me than Rivendell. I think the bikes are works of art, and the products all support an overall philosophy. It's like strange art that I can use and ride. Or, maybe like music that you don't always like at first, but really grows on you. I thought John Coltrane was tedious at one point in my life. Now I want Interstellar Space on vinyl AND iTunes :-) Paul On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 7:02 PM, usuk2007 clive.stand...@umassmed.edu wrote: I'm interested in the amount of comment my original question has provoked. From all that I can learn from reading and sales interactions RBW seems like a good company. I like their bikes (I have 3), but nothing is perfect and all great things are worthy of criticism and that should be encouraged to produce improvement. I do not agree with all things Rivendell, I ride clipless, would not be seen dead in MUSA knickers with braces and haven't warmed to the new bikes yet, but I enjoy the perspective of RBW as it's an important part of the cycling world. For the majority of cyclists it should be far more relevant than the racing style. But I still sit glued to the Spring Classics and would ride a Specialized Roubaix if I thought I could do it justice or it had any relevance to the way I ride, but I can't average 25mph over a hundred miles. I like to tour, ride to the shops and do the odd club ride so the Rambouillet is perfect for me. On Apr 14, 5:51 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Grant's personal bikes are the epitomy of beausage. http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/bicycle_models#product=50-998 Hopefully the link will work and take you to the picture of Grant's AHH. That bike looks so perfect. Also check this old shot of his Saluki. Be sure to scroll down to the bottom of the page. http://web.archive.org/web/20060321050644/www.rivbike.com/html/bikes_... On Apr 14, 8:16 am, Shaun Meehan meehan.sh...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:08 AM, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote: Ok. I can't stand being culturally out of the loop any longer. What is beausage? George Strickler It's Grant's concept of beauty through usage. The idea that the small nicks and scratches in your bike's paint and the natural wear on your leather saddle, etc. actually adds to the beauty of your bike. Shaun Meehan -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
I love the steel bikes and the practical approach. I enjoy reading Grants writing because I like to write too. I don't own a Riv frame but I have purchased quite a bit from them in the last few years. I especially want to thank Grant for the tip on Teva sandals and wool clothing...wow! I always sensed what Grant was saying was correct and that good bike fit, design, and the practical approach was just being overlooked by the younger generation. I really like the no nonsense viewpoint on the retentionless method of pedaling. I always questioned the logic of being attached to those small uncomfortable pedal cages while needing to wear hard soled cycling shoes, just to be able to bear the pain. There isn't much worth mentioning that I don't like about Rivendell and the philosophy of cycling Grant proposes. As a long time self employed person I understand under capitalization and its effect on business. Because of that, I overlook some of the inventory shortage problems. I don't believe many of us remember how to wait for much of anything. Our fast food, instant gratification culture has done wonders towards making us a nation of impatient cry babies. And now I shall step off my soapbox! On Apr 11, 7:34 pm, usuk2007 clive.stand...@umassmed.edu wrote: Things I love Rambouillet, Quickbeam angled dropouts, Ruffy Tuffy tyres Things that make me groan Speedblend tyres, Nigel Smyth mud flaps. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
After some pondering... Love: Riding the bikes, the non-racing bike philosophy, customer service, The Reader, lugged steel. Groans: Wish I would have listened to Grant's advice about frame sizing and handlebar height sooner Angus On Apr 11, 9:34 pm, usuk2007 clive.stand...@umassmed.edu wrote: Things I love Rambouillet, Quickbeam angled dropouts, Ruffy Tuffy tyres Things that make me groan Speedblend tyres, Nigel Smyth mud flaps. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
Love: The general philosophy. From steel bikes to riding for the fun of it, learning about (and doing) S24O, not being so caught up in the latest and greatest ideas, practical clothing and (mostly) practical bags, helping introduce me to folks and shops I'd not know about otherwise. (By discovering Rivendell, learned about my local dealer where I've tried to be a loyal customer for the past few years.) Groans - switching from one bag design to another (really wish the Hoss and Pa bags were still available), not making speedblend tires in regular sizes (would like to try a set, but only in 35mm or wider), not enough Reader. And, sadly, the unfortunate cult by association that folks who don't like Rivendell seem to want to throw out at those of us who do. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
Love: the idea of beausage, my A Homer Hilsen, the selection of quality parts. Groans: retirement of the Rambouillet On Apr 13, 6:30 am, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Love: The general philosophy. From steel bikes to riding for the fun of it, learning about (and doing) S24O, not being so caught up in the latest and greatest ideas, practical clothing and (mostly) practical bags, helping introduce me to folks and shops I'd not know about otherwise. (By discovering Rivendell, learned about my local dealer where I've tried to be a loyal customer for the past few years.) Groans - switching from one bag design to another (really wish the Hoss and Pa bags were still available), not making speedblend tires in regular sizes (would like to try a set, but only in 35mm or wider), not enough Reader. And, sadly, the unfortunate cult by association that folks who don't like Rivendell seem to want to throw out at those of us who do. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
I'm with you on the love for Carradice, although I'm biased as I'm from the UK and used one on my bike back in the 1970s. I think Acorn is a close second because they are making simple practical bags. I also agree about the Sackvilles, I just can't love them, the look busy and sort of weird. Also words like beausage put my teeth on edge Things I like are the customer service and commitment. Ways to improve. Bring back the Rambouillet. Cycling is about more than practicality and carrying stuff. The racing end is important too, so why ignore it. Do something like Independent Fabrications or the Italian makers and bring out a fast steel bike. The legolas is kind of that but I'd like to see more. On Apr 12, 11:20 pm, beth h periwinkle...@yahoo.com wrote: Things I love about RBW: 1. Lugged steel frames that last for years and years (like mine, for instance) 2. The Atlantis (I love my LongLow but the Atlantis is very possibly the best frame ever designed for anything). 2a. The All-Rounder -- bring it back maybe? 3. Tire and fender clearance (long before anyone else was returning to the idea). 4. Canvas bags, particularly Carradice (RBW introduced us to one another in '98 and it's been a love affair ever since) Things that make me twitch and make funny noises: 1. Tweed fender flaps and bags 2. Sackville, second generation (remember Carradice made the first generation of these bags for RBW back in the day) 3. The sad short-livedness of the original Wooly Warm line (especially the olive green sweaters and vests with those buttoned fronts and pockets) -- please bring it back!! Beth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
Some speculation about the Rambouillet based on anecdotal evidence: When the Rambouillet was part of the regular Riv line, it undersold the Atlantis by about half. At least that was the approximate breakdown at my shop, and what I seem to recall Grant writing somewhere. It was sort of frustrating (for me) to sell them, because I could spend a lot of time with a potential customer. S/he'd do test rides, and ask lots of questions, and agree that the bike was lovely, comfortable, and rode beautifully... But about 80% of the time that potential customer would go out and buy a Specialized/Cannondale/Trek/ whatever, which had the benefits of being lighter, less money, and something other cyclists on the club ride would recognize. Not everybody has the spine to show up on a bike that is different than what everybody else rides, then endure the sidelong glances and you paid how much (!) for a 23-lb bike that looks like my old Raleigh and only has 105 parts on it?! Anyway, with all that going against it, the Rambouillet always had a limited number of people who understood it, and I assume, at some point, the demand for the model showed signs of saturating. Again, I recall Grant writing somewhere that he feared market saturation and it drove him to freshen up the line with new models. Interesting how a hiatus or discontinuation of a thing makes it suddenly more desirable. I've fielded more phone calls and emails about Bleriots lately than I ever did when they were available. On Apr 13, 7:29 am, usuk2007 clive.stand...@umassmed.edu wrote: I'm with you on the love for Carradice, although I'm biased as I'm from the UK and used one on my bike back in the 1970s. I think Acorn is a close second because they are making simple practical bags. I also agree about the Sackvilles, I just can't love them, the look busy and sort of weird. Also words like beausage put my teeth on edge Things I like are the customer service and commitment. Ways to improve. Bring back the Rambouillet. Cycling is about more than practicality and carrying stuff. The racing end is important too, so why ignore it. Do something like Independent Fabrications or the Italian makers and bring out a fast steel bike. The legolas is kind of that but I'd like to see more. On Apr 12, 11:20 pm, beth h periwinkle...@yahoo.com wrote: Things I love about RBW: 1. Lugged steel frames that last for years and years (like mine, for instance) 2. The Atlantis (I love my LongLow but the Atlantis is very possibly the best frame ever designed for anything). 2a. The All-Rounder -- bring it back maybe? 3. Tire and fender clearance (long before anyone else was returning to the idea). 4. Canvas bags, particularly Carradice (RBW introduced us to one another in '98 and it's been a love affair ever since) Things that make me twitch and make funny noises: 1. Tweed fender flaps and bags 2. Sackville, second generation (remember Carradice made the first generation of these bags for RBW back in the day) 3. The sad short-livedness of the original Wooly Warm line (especially the olive green sweaters and vests with those buttoned fronts and pockets) -- please bring it back!! Beth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
Love: Grant's cycling philosophy and writing style, his willingness to put new ideas into the stream, and the general wackiness like the ongoing 'e'-less Raven contest. The value of beausage (whether you like his word for it or not). I also support the idea of the new Taiwanese-built frames, in the hope that it means i can eventually afford a Quickbeam-like frame. Meh: Lack of continuity in things like the bike bags. I'm sure this is as much as supplier issue as anything, but it would be good to have a core lineup of things like the Atlantis. I liked the Speedblends too, i thought they were pretty cool, but probably too expensive for the younger crowd that might take to them better. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
Things that make me groan Speedblend tyres, Nigel Smyth mud flaps. I replaced my Quickbeam's Speedblends wtih Big Apples recently, so I took the Speedblends to a swap meet with a bunch of other items. I expected they wouldn't sell, but actually what happened was a small bidding war started. The winner is putting them on his fixie, and is having his rims powdercoated to match. Things I love: my Quickbeam, my Legolas, and that my office is across the street from Riv HQ. Jim M --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
I like: ride, design, aesthetics, utility, and quality of the bicycles; attention to craft; s240; focus on riding for the joy of it; Book of Nonsense; nudging racing's dominance, friendliness; Quickbeam; utilitarian. In theory, I miss the Ram/Rom. But I have a Romulus. I ride it rack- less and on harder rides. Its perfect for that. I'd like bag continuity too. No complaints. Like many of you, I've spent some time at RBW HQ talking with folks and checking things out. Its hard to think of a more thoughtful place. Esteban On Apr 13, 6:40 am, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: Love: Grant's cycling philosophy and writing style, his willingness to put new ideas into the stream, and the general wackiness like the ongoing 'e'-less Raven contest. The value of beausage (whether you like his word for it or not). I also support the idea of the new Taiwanese-built frames, in the hope that it means i can eventually afford a Quickbeam-like frame. Meh: Lack of continuity in things like the bike bags. I'm sure this is as much as supplier issue as anything, but it would be good to have a core lineup of things like the Atlantis. I liked the Speedblends too, i thought they were pretty cool, but probably too expensive for the younger crowd that might take to them better. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 11:03 AM, fiddlr40 mather...@gmail.com wrote: I replaced my Quickbeam's Speedblends wtih Big Apples recently, so I took the Speedblends to a swap meet with a bunch of other items. I expected they wouldn't sell, but actually what happened was a small bidding war started. The winner is putting them on his fixie, and is having his rims powdercoated to match. Things I love: my Quickbeam, my Legolas, and that my office is across the street from Riv HQ. There's no need for rubbing things like this in for those of us far, far away. :) -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
Like: the perfection of my road bikes -- that is, the fit and handling. I like the ornate lugs and fancy paint, too, but those are decidedly secondary qualities. Miss (or would miss had I not already purchased the two light and fast pavement only Riv roads I covet): a light road type bike from the Riv lineup, in the RB-1 pattern. But one can't expect everyone to make everything; if Grant and company have turned their attention exclusively toward bikes meant for fat tires and dirt roads, more power to them; there are other makes on the market. Think very weird: tweed bags. Like my Country bag. For me, no measly 35mm or 37 mm or 42 mm tire is going to work off road, given our dirt conditions, so fat road tires are of no benefit to me. I want a Bombadil with horizontals and disc mounts and bottle mounts and no other braze ons and room for 60s with fenders and 1.5 cm of clearance between tire and fender. (Yes, my Monocog 29er and my erstwhile Diamond Back 26er had room for 60s with fenders and mud.) Patrick either/or Moore --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
3. The sad short-livedness of the original Wooly Warm line (especially the olive green sweaters and vests with those buttoned fronts and pockets) -- please bring it back!! The British made cardigan? I wear mine almost every winter evening and while working on the bike in colder weather. It is a nice, handy, rugged sweater without being quite so heavy as a Filson. Agree RBW ought to bring it back. I suspect maybe the people making it retired or something. I recall they were literally made out of a cottage somewhere in rural UK. On Apr 12, 10:20 pm, beth h periwinkle...@yahoo.com wrote: Things I love about RBW: 1. Lugged steel frames that last for years and years (like mine, for instance) 2. The Atlantis (I love my LongLow but the Atlantis is very possibly the best frame ever designed for anything). 2a. The All-Rounder -- bring it back maybe? 3. Tire and fender clearance (long before anyone else was returning to the idea). 4. Canvas bags, particularly Carradice (RBW introduced us to one another in '98 and it's been a love affair ever since) Things that make me twitch and make funny noises: 1. Tweed fender flaps and bags 2. Sackville, second generation (remember Carradice made the first generation of these bags for RBW back in the day) 3. The sad short-livedness of the original Wooly Warm line (especially the olive green sweaters and vests with those buttoned fronts and pockets) -- please bring it back!! Beth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
I don't have any groans, but maybe a few wishes... Love: The philosophy, the ride, the fit, the lifestyle, the passion and the practicality. Honestly, if it wasn't for an article on Riv I read in an old Dirt Rag mag, I doubt I would have ever discovered the Company, this group of individuals and I wouldn't have spurred a change in my life. At the time, I read the article, I didn't have any real goals, I felt that I wasn't the kind of guy who did sports and I certainly wouldn't have thought that a long distance bike ride would have been something I could do. This community, propelled by Riv, really got me pumped up to make the change and its something that I can't put a price tag on or categorize. I ride my bike often. I seek out more information about this thing I love and it keeps me challenged to make new goals, without feeling like I have to train or compete. Wish: More stuff for big guys (This isn't a stab at Riv, it's a wish for the industry in general). As a guy who wears an XL t-shirt, I find myself most comfortable in 3XL or sometimes a 4XL jersey. That feels defeating. Wool is sized more closely to what I normally wear, but it seems to sell out so quickly. As soon as I see one of the Riv jerseys in a 3xl, I'm making my move. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
I'm really surprised at the number of people choosing to Groan about Rivendell. Sure, nothing and nobody is perfect but what is the point of this really? If you have the time and energy to complain about a company so desperately trying to do the right thing with a level of transparency that is all but unheard of today, then the rest of your life must be just peachy? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
Like: going against the status quo is often right/good, at least some nice bikes should fit wide(ish) tires, arguably created the market for practical/versatile road bikes (sure, there have always been custom builders who could make them, but was anybody really asking for them?) Not so much: too bad current offerings are so spendy (my '99 JS semi-custom Riv Road Std. was $1225 with one color paint), not everybody wants/needs such high handlebars, competitors have copied much of the RBW ethos and now undersell them, agreed on the constant bag churn and infrequent Reader. Doug On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 7:34 PM, usuk2007 clive.stand...@umassmed.eduwrote: Things I love Rambouillet, Quickbeam angled dropouts, Ruffy Tuffy tyres Things that make me groan Speedblend tyres, Nigel Smyth mud flaps. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
Things I think I love: High trail. :) On Apr 11, 7:34 pm, usuk2007 clive.stand...@umassmed.edu wrote: Things I love Rambouillet, Quickbeam angled dropouts, Ruffy Tuffy tyres Things that make me groan Speedblend tyres, Nigel Smyth mud flaps. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
Brad, At first, on reading this post, I started to feel hey, what's the big idea? Then, noticed that Grant has just posted something on the website. And this has now made me sad I ever responded. This is the way things go. Thought I was saying something nice about what has easily become my favorite bicycle company (and maybe my favorite company overall), and yet, in responding, it appears that intent was overshadowed by the negative aspect. Once again, it does appear that whenever I contribute anything to a list my foot goes right into my mouth (digitally speaking). Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Apr 13, 2:07 pm, Brad thegan...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I'm really surprised at the number of people choosing to Groan about Rivendell. Sure, nothing and nobody is perfect but what is the point of this really? If you have the time and energy to complain about a company so desperately trying to do the right thing with a level of transparency that is all but unheard of today, then the rest of your life must be just peachy? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
I think most of this feedback has been fairly positive. I think we all realize that Riv always tries to do the right thing, but posts like this should be encouraged from time to time. Maybe groan is a word that holds a lot of negative connotation, but think about it in the same way that a company conducts feedback sessions or focus groups to understand the underlying perceptions of its clients. While some of our comments may seem overly picky, its important to get a sense of the feeling among users. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
GP's TwitterBlogJournal entry: http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/125 One of the things I missed as the Readers continued was the Progress Report Grant mentions. At the time, I was trying to run a business, at times looking at huge lumps of bills and little piles of cash, hoping to hang onto good people and trying to remain focused on building things while dealing with the day to day gut and rabbit punches that retail continually supplies. It was heartening to read those columns, helpful to dispel the feeling of isolation that running a business, and refreshing to see someone else dealing with the same problems I was facing. I also understand and ultimately agree with GP's decision to end that journal. Under the best of circumstances, it's difficult to keep the story straight as it floats out on tides of public retelling. Subtle points and quiet thoughts do not normally retain their sense when that happens. - Jim back to work now... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
Love: the philosophy, the Reader, the fact that Grant will write about whatever he wants to. Great customer service. Excellent 650B wheels. My Bleriot. I love talking to John on the phone. Groan: no girl-size anything. Love my Bleriot, but the reach is too long. I would definitely have purchased the Eowyn. Also, the sizing information is cryptic, again, if one is a female person wanting to buy the unisex clothes. I'd love some MUSA pants, but I have no idea how they'd fit. Lynne 5'3 and girl-shaped F --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
I came to Rivendell from the Bridgestone Owners Bunch, which I came to late when I finally bought a '94 MB-1. I loved the Bob Gazzette I got, and ordered some small stuff. But then suddenly, Bridgestone USA was gone, and I was bummed like I lost a fun long-distance friend. I was also bummed since I had yet to buy a XO bike that just looked like a alot of fun. In the mid-90s I was 5-years past my last USCF license still riding a small, tight, performance bike, but for fitness, commuting, and some errands. I knew I wanted a less-aggressive, more comfortable position. I knew I want to be able to carry stuff on my bike, not just my back. I also had an old 1966 era 3-speed that needed a new brooks saddle. Then the first Rivendell catalog (more like a flyer) came and there were Brooks along with Grant's musings about bigger frames and larger clearances, fatter tires, saddle bags, and maybe most important, simplicity. Nobody else was doing this. This was a unique, nearly radical, view of cycling for me anyway. I loved it. This company knew exactly my needs and had a plan. And they were selling an upgraded XO called an AllRounder. I was hooked. Grant and Rivendell saved me from a real rut in my cycling and provided a new way to view a life-long pursuit/sport. I don't buy off on all things Rivendell, but nothing makes me groan. I just want to say Thank You to this unique company who has kept me on the road. Though I have never met any of the staff, I consider them my friends. Thanks Friends, thanks alot. Let me know if you ever need some help and I can return the favor. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
None of these are really groaners - just things I wish Riv would do/do more of: - Internally geared bikes. Until they build a full chainguard for a front derailler, anyway. 'Bout the only thing that bugs me about my Atlantis is rolling up my pants before I jump on. - Lighting. It's a complicated and confusing world, and Riv's current offerings don't seem sufficient. I wish they had more so I could buy from them and life would be simple and good again. - Plastic fenders. Really, I just can't love the SKS fenders. - Panniers. Love my ortliebs, but I'd much rather see Riv carrying some nice looking, waterproofish, easy to mount MUSA ones. I've heard something is in the works.. - s'more books/articles helping people who are trying to get into touring. Oh, and despite all the convincing arguments and silliness of special shoes, I think I'll always love my clipless petals. That's probably just me, though. As for the loves - I think most of them have been covered by y'all. I love my Atlantis more every time I ride it, sometimes even when its just sitting in the house waiting to be take out. Cornering on JB's is a wonderful thing. wc. On Apr 13, 6:40 am, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: Love: Grant's cycling philosophy and writing style, his willingness to put new ideas into the stream, and the general wackiness like the ongoing 'e'-less Raven contest. The value of beausage (whether you like his word for it or not). I also support the idea of the new Taiwanese-built frames, in the hope that it means i can eventually afford a Quickbeam-like frame. Meh: Lack of continuity in things like the bike bags. I'm sure this is as much as supplier issue as anything, but it would be good to have a core lineup of things like the Atlantis. I liked the Speedblends too, i thought they were pretty cool, but probably too expensive for the younger crowd that might take to them better. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
What I love II: I think Grant's response is pitch-perfect. I'm a college professor, and I spill my guts into teaching - probably too much, if I am to take seriously my research agenda glaring back at me in the corner. But nevertheless, a student or two will pick something apart about my teaching. Maybe its accurate, usually its unfair. And despite overwhelming positive feedback, I'll remember those two comments for a long time. They make me bitter. Make me think the whole endeavor isn't worth it and that I should just work exclusively on research. But I keep coming back and try to improve. I've never seen a more transparent and earnest operation, despite the flack they (and we) get for trying to do the Right Thing. Rivendell is counter- cultural - not just in cycling, but in a globalized economy. Its something I'm proud to be part of - in the little ways I suppose I'm part of it. Riv runs contrary to the race to the bottom logic of contemporary capitalism. Lots of people I know - maybe its my age (35) - are turning to craft and supporting craft producers. In these cases, stuff costs more because its worth it - down the line from the materials, labor, and livelihood supported by craft. I'm all for that. In terms of flow of information, I'm kind of a luddite in these matters. There's fun in the wait for news about something - and fruit born dwelling with things without the constant flow of information. I can't tell you how often I check out the Riv site, this one, and Cyclofiend and look at the same stuff over and over and enjoy it. Its like going to the library as a kid and looking longingly at the interesting pictures of places far away over and over again. Anyway, as with anything one might find interest in, there's always going to be some things that might improve. Esteban On Apr 13, 3:29 pm, William Henderson william.c.hender...@gmail.com wrote: None of these are really groaners - just things I wish Riv would do/do more of: - Internally geared bikes. Until they build a full chainguard for a front derailler, anyway. 'Bout the only thing that bugs me about my Atlantis is rolling up my pants before I jump on. - Lighting. It's a complicated and confusing world, and Riv's current offerings don't seem sufficient. I wish they had more so I could buy from them and life would be simple and good again. - Plastic fenders. Really, I just can't love the SKS fenders. - Panniers. Love my ortliebs, but I'd much rather see Riv carrying some nice looking, waterproofish, easy to mount MUSA ones. I've heard something is in the works.. - s'more books/articles helping people who are trying to get into touring. Oh, and despite all the convincing arguments and silliness of special shoes, I think I'll always love my clipless petals. That's probably just me, though. As for the loves - I think most of them have been covered by y'all. I love my Atlantis more every time I ride it, sometimes even when its just sitting in the house waiting to be take out. Cornering on JB's is a wonderful thing. wc. On Apr 13, 6:40 am, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: Love: Grant's cycling philosophy and writing style, his willingness to put new ideas into the stream, and the general wackiness like the ongoing 'e'-less Raven contest. The value of beausage (whether you like his word for it or not). I also support the idea of the new Taiwanese-built frames, in the hope that it means i can eventually afford a Quickbeam-like frame. Meh: Lack of continuity in things like the bike bags. I'm sure this is as much as supplier issue as anything, but it would be good to have a core lineup of things like the Atlantis. I liked the Speedblends too, i thought they were pretty cool, but probably too expensive for the younger crowd that might take to them better. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
Grant's most recent posting is what I love to read. That's what I meant when I said a blog. Personal thoughts on the business, industry, customers, etc. The Progress Report sections of the Reader were always my favorite to read. This is selfish on my part, as it's pretty clear that it causes more problems than anything, but it's what I would like, seeing that y'all asked. On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: What I love II: I think Grant's response is pitch-perfect. I'm a college professor, and I spill my guts into teaching - probably too much, if I am to take seriously my research agenda glaring back at me in the corner. But nevertheless, a student or two will pick something apart about my teaching. Maybe its accurate, usually its unfair. And despite overwhelming positive feedback, I'll remember those two comments for a long time. They make me bitter. Make me think the whole endeavor isn't worth it and that I should just work exclusively on research. But I keep coming back and try to improve. I've never seen a more transparent and earnest operation, despite the flack they (and we) get for trying to do the Right Thing. Rivendell is counter- cultural - not just in cycling, but in a globalized economy. Its something I'm proud to be part of - in the little ways I suppose I'm part of it. Riv runs contrary to the race to the bottom logic of contemporary capitalism. Lots of people I know - maybe its my age (35) - are turning to craft and supporting craft producers. In these cases, stuff costs more because its worth it - down the line from the materials, labor, and livelihood supported by craft. I'm all for that. In terms of flow of information, I'm kind of a luddite in these matters. There's fun in the wait for news about something - and fruit born dwelling with things without the constant flow of information. I can't tell you how often I check out the Riv site, this one, and Cyclofiend and look at the same stuff over and over and enjoy it. Its like going to the library as a kid and looking longingly at the interesting pictures of places far away over and over again. Anyway, as with anything one might find interest in, there's always going to be some things that might improve. Esteban On Apr 13, 3:29 pm, William Henderson william.c.hender...@gmail.com wrote: None of these are really groaners - just things I wish Riv would do/do more of: - Internally geared bikes. Until they build a full chainguard for a front derailler, anyway. 'Bout the only thing that bugs me about my Atlantis is rolling up my pants before I jump on. - Lighting. It's a complicated and confusing world, and Riv's current offerings don't seem sufficient. I wish they had more so I could buy from them and life would be simple and good again. - Plastic fenders. Really, I just can't love the SKS fenders. - Panniers. Love my ortliebs, but I'd much rather see Riv carrying some nice looking, waterproofish, easy to mount MUSA ones. I've heard something is in the works.. - s'more books/articles helping people who are trying to get into touring. Oh, and despite all the convincing arguments and silliness of special shoes, I think I'll always love my clipless petals. That's probably just me, though. As for the loves - I think most of them have been covered by y'all. I love my Atlantis more every time I ride it, sometimes even when its just sitting in the house waiting to be take out. Cornering on JB's is a wonderful thing. wc. On Apr 13, 6:40 am, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: Love: Grant's cycling philosophy and writing style, his willingness to put new ideas into the stream, and the general wackiness like the ongoing 'e'-less Raven contest. The value of beausage (whether you like his word for it or not). I also support the idea of the new Taiwanese-built frames, in the hope that it means i can eventually afford a Quickbeam-like frame. Meh: Lack of continuity in things like the bike bags. I'm sure this is as much as supplier issue as anything, but it would be good to have a core lineup of things like the Atlantis. I liked the Speedblends too, i thought they were pretty cool, but probably too expensive for the younger crowd that might take to them better. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
Speaking of Cyclofiend, hopefully this is where he steps in and stops this wildly off-track thread. Gino On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: What I love II: I think Grant's response is pitch-perfect. I'm a college professor, and I spill my guts into teaching - probably too much, if I am to take seriously my research agenda glaring back at me in the corner. But nevertheless, a student or two will pick something apart about my teaching. Maybe its accurate, usually its unfair. And despite overwhelming positive feedback, I'll remember those two comments for a long time. They make me bitter. Make me think the whole endeavor isn't worth it and that I should just work exclusively on research. But I keep coming back and try to improve. I've never seen a more transparent and earnest operation, despite the flack they (and we) get for trying to do the Right Thing. Rivendell is counter- cultural - not just in cycling, but in a globalized economy. Its something I'm proud to be part of - in the little ways I suppose I'm part of it. Riv runs contrary to the race to the bottom logic of contemporary capitalism. Lots of people I know - maybe its my age (35) - are turning to craft and supporting craft producers. In these cases, stuff costs more because its worth it - down the line from the materials, labor, and livelihood supported by craft. I'm all for that. In terms of flow of information, I'm kind of a luddite in these matters. There's fun in the wait for news about something - and fruit born dwelling with things without the constant flow of information. I can't tell you how often I check out the Riv site, this one, and Cyclofiend and look at the same stuff over and over and enjoy it. Its like going to the library as a kid and looking longingly at the interesting pictures of places far away over and over again. Anyway, as with anything one might find interest in, there's always going to be some things that might improve. Esteban On Apr 13, 3:29 pm, William Henderson william.c.hender...@gmail.com wrote: None of these are really groaners - just things I wish Riv would do/do more of: - Internally geared bikes. Until they build a full chainguard for a front derailler, anyway. 'Bout the only thing that bugs me about my Atlantis is rolling up my pants before I jump on. - Lighting. It's a complicated and confusing world, and Riv's current offerings don't seem sufficient. I wish they had more so I could buy from them and life would be simple and good again. - Plastic fenders. Really, I just can't love the SKS fenders. - Panniers. Love my ortliebs, but I'd much rather see Riv carrying some nice looking, waterproofish, easy to mount MUSA ones. I've heard something is in the works.. - s'more books/articles helping people who are trying to get into touring. Oh, and despite all the convincing arguments and silliness of special shoes, I think I'll always love my clipless petals. That's probably just me, though. As for the loves - I think most of them have been covered by y'all. I love my Atlantis more every time I ride it, sometimes even when its just sitting in the house waiting to be take out. Cornering on JB's is a wonderful thing. wc. On Apr 13, 6:40 am, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: Love: Grant's cycling philosophy and writing style, his willingness to put new ideas into the stream, and the general wackiness like the ongoing 'e'-less Raven contest. The value of beausage (whether you like his word for it or not). I also support the idea of the new Taiwanese-built frames, in the hope that it means i can eventually afford a Quickbeam-like frame. Meh: Lack of continuity in things like the bike bags. I'm sure this is as much as supplier issue as anything, but it would be good to have a core lineup of things like the Atlantis. I liked the Speedblends too, i thought they were pretty cool, but probably too expensive for the younger crowd that might take to them better. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
Love: Customer service, enthusiasm, velosophy, Jumbo wool, MUSA clothes, bags (pretty much all of 'em, though the new Trunksacks are pretty busy-looking; I'm sure I'll come around, though. I appear to have drunk the kool-aid.), suspenders, Nitto, Grip Kings, thick bike socks (if you were wondering who bought all of the XLs, it was me), Rivendell Reader, Atlantis (it'd be at the top of my list, except at this point it's aspirational not empirical), overall bike aesthetic, straps, wraps, GP's whimsical writing Groan: Price (things available elsewhere are usually substantially cheaper elsewhere), out-of-stock-ness, GP's whimsical writing My first two groans are instrinsically at odds. It's a little like the classic complaint: The food was terrible! And there was so little of it! Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On Apr 11, 10:42 pm, Bill M. bmenn...@comcast.net wrote: On Apr 11, 7:34 pm, usuk2007 clive.stand...@umassmed.edu wrote: Things I love Rambouillet, Quickbeam angled dropouts, Ruffy Tuffy tyres Things that make me groan Speedblend tyres, Nigel Smyth mud flaps. Love: Joe Bell paint; fancy lugs; cream head tubes; cloisonne head badges; shiny silver parts Groan: Plastic fenders (especially with tweed mud flaps); wide, practical tires without reflective sidewalls Ditto the Speedblend. Especially on only one side of the tire. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
Love: A company that actually cares about bikes, labor, human rights, and trying to do the right thing. Bright colors and cream head tubes. Room for fenders on every bike. The work that went into helping 650b in the U.S. Groan: Associated with Riv by proxy: People who say Rivendale. The cult status backlash. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
Love: The Rambouillet Moan: The lack of the Rambouillet In a message dated 4/12/2009 3:01:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, subfas...@gmail.com writes: Love: A company that actually cares about bikes, labor, human rights, and trying to do the right thing. Bright colors and cream head tubes. Room for fenders on every bike. The work that went into helping 650b in the U.S. Groan: Associated with Riv by proxy: People who say Rivendale. The cult status backlash. **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220572838x1201387489/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooterNO62) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
Heh. I took my (22.5lb) Rambouillet for a hilly 50 miler this morning. It continues to be my favorite Rivendell for spirited long rides. On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 1:29 PM, bpus...@aol.com wrote: Love: The Rambouillet Moan: The lack of the Rambouillet --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
I love the versatility of my AHH and Rambouillet. Both bikes work well and have brought me a lot of happiness. Their customer service and commitment excellent and their commitment to social causes is awesome. The Rivendell Reader is awesome and I'm waiting anxiously for the next issue. Jack Brown tires are great. I have no gripes other than I'd love it if they did another batch of Woolistic Rivendell jerseys, bring back the Rommulus or Rambouillet, and bring back the Little Joe bag. --mike On Apr 12, 2:19 pm, Gino Zahnd ginoza...@gmail.com wrote: Heh. I took my (22.5lb) Rambouillet for a hilly 50 miler this morning. It continues to be my favorite Rivendell for spirited long rides. On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 1:29 PM, bpus...@aol.com wrote: Love: The Rambouillet Moan: The lack of the Rambouillet --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
In a message dated 4/12/2009 5:20:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ginoza...@gmail.com writes: Heh. I took my (22.5lb) Rambouillet for a hilly 50 miler this morning. It continues to be my favorite Rivendell for spirited long rides. Gino, That's my point. Nothing is flat here in Kentucky and it, too, is my favorite for spirited club centuries - about 45 last year. Mine's down to 20.96 lb (hey, that's what the digital scale reads). Now, there's nothing on the Riv showroom floor that offers the same performance and no, the Hilsen, does not take it's place. I have a Homer and love it for totally different reasons. Bill **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220572838x1201387489/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooterNO62) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
Loves: The general aesthetics which basically match my own; the general philosophy about bike riding, which also basically matches my own (but I like clipless pedals). Groans: Hmmm. Striped wool jerseys. The other thing someone mentioned, the cult status backlash, is not really about Rivendell so I ignore it. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
I'd love to see a build list on that 21lb Ram. Mine's at 25lbs but it's set up for touring. Loosing the B17 and getting a lighter wheel set might help... On Apr 12, 5:56 pm, bpus...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 4/12/2009 5:20:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ginoza...@gmail.com writes: Heh. I took my (22.5lb) Rambouillet for a hilly 50 miler this morning. It continues to be my favorite Rivendell for spirited long rides. Gino, That's my point. Nothing is flat here in Kentucky and it, too, is my favorite for spirited club centuries - about 45 last year. Mine's down to 20.96 lb (hey, that's what the digital scale reads). Now, there's nothing on the Riv showroom floor that offers the same performance and no, the Hilsen, does not take it's place. I have a Homer and love it for totally different reasons. Bill **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220572838x1201387489/aol?red... hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooterNO62) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
Loves: The bikes. Design philosophy (any bike, anywhere), GP's writing style, accessibility. Groans: Prices (although I understand why, just wish it wasn't so...). Lack of a blog a la V.O., Swobo, etc. On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 12:01 PM, JL subfas...@gmail.com wrote: Love: A company that actually cares about bikes, labor, human rights, and trying to do the right thing. Bright colors and cream head tubes. Room for fenders on every bike. The work that went into helping 650b in the U.S. Groan: Associated with Riv by proxy: People who say Rivendale. The cult status backlash. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
Loves: Coherent and intelligent design philosophy expressed in products, readers and website. Groans: Chronic undercapitalization. Grant needs some Friends of Rivendell to invest in the firm. Steve Ames, IA On Apr 12, 7:06 pm, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Loves: The bikes. Design philosophy (any bike, anywhere), GP's writing style, accessibility. Groans: Prices (although I understand why, just wish it wasn't so...). Lack of a blog a la V.O., Swobo, etc. On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 12:01 PM, JL subfas...@gmail.com wrote: Love: A company that actually cares about bikes, labor, human rights, and trying to do the right thing. Bright colors and cream head tubes. Room for fenders on every bike. The work that went into helping 650b in the U.S. Groan: Associated with Riv by proxy: People who say Rivendale. The cult status backlash. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
Nitto stem, bar, water bottle cages Campy Record 10 speed components Brooks Professional Ti (before the big price increase) American Classic seat stem (aluminum) Shimano SPD mountain bike pedals Mavic Ksyzium SL wheels Conti 25cm Gator Skins tires I could make the bike lighter by replacing the Nitto stuff, Brooks saddle, pedals, tires. I could even get lighter wheels and a much lighter frame but, for me atleast, I've found components that are light, yet strong and durable, AND comfortable. Origionally, I hadn't planned on putting the carbon Campy components on the Rambouillet but the dark carbon on the dark green frame looked really really nice. The bike was weighed without the normal small seat bag. On brevets I carry a larger or a handle bar bag. The Mavic wheels on the Rambouillet are relatively new. On another bike I've put over 15,000 miles on them without any problems. Bill In a message dated 4/12/2009 7:21:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, clive.stand...@umassmed.edu writes: I'd love to see a build list on that 21lb Ram. Mine's at 25lbs but it's set up for touring. **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220572838x1201387489/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooterNO62) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 8:06 PM, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Loves: The bikes. Design philosophy (any bike, anywhere), GP's writing style, accessibility. Groans: Prices (although I understand why, just wish it wasn't so...). Lack of a blog a la V.O., Swobo, etc. I would like for riv to have a here's what we're thinking about blog like VO has, too. I suspect the blog drives purchasers to the website for VO. -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
In a message dated 4/12/2009 8:57:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, skvi...@gmail.com writes: I would like for riv to have a here's what we're thinking about blog like VO has, too. I suspect the blog drives purchasers to the website for VO. Yes, I would agree. I check the VO blog almost daily but only check the Riv what's new section every once in a while, (approximately once every 2 to 4 weeks), and, you right, I've probably purchased more stuff lately from VO. Bill **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220572838x1201387489/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooterNO62) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
Things I love about RBW: 1. Lugged steel frames that last for years and years (like mine, for instance) 2. The Atlantis (I love my LongLow but the Atlantis is very possibly the best frame ever designed for anything). 2a. The All-Rounder -- bring it back maybe? 3. Tire and fender clearance (long before anyone else was returning to the idea). 4. Canvas bags, particularly Carradice (RBW introduced us to one another in '98 and it's been a love affair ever since) Things that make me twitch and make funny noises: 1. Tweed fender flaps and bags 2. Sackville, second generation (remember Carradice made the first generation of these bags for RBW back in the day) 3. The sad short-livedness of the original Wooly Warm line (especially the olive green sweaters and vests with those buttoned fronts and pockets) -- please bring it back!! Beth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
Love: Customer service; info; employee accessibility; attitude; bike packing; my Atlantis. Groans: OK, maybe they sometimes do take themselves a bit too seriously, but then don't we all? That part's too much like looking in the mirror. dougP -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of usuk2007 Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 7:34 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan Things I love Rambouillet, Quickbeam angled dropouts, Ruffy Tuffy tyres Things that make me groan Speedblend tyres, Nigel Smyth mud flaps. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
On Apr 11, 7:34 pm, usuk2007 clive.stand...@umassmed.edu wrote: Things I love Rambouillet, Quickbeam angled dropouts, Ruffy Tuffy tyres Things that make me groan Speedblend tyres, Nigel Smyth mud flaps. Love: Joe Bell paint; fancy lugs; cream head tubes; cloisonne head badges; shiny silver parts Groan: Plastic fenders (especially with tweed mud flaps); wide, practical tires without reflective sidewalls Ditto the Speedblend. Especially on only one side of the tire. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
