Re: [RBW] Re: VO fenders vs. Honjo fenders?

[Minh]

For those that have experience with both, some input please?  I've got a 
set of 700c Honjos on the shelf i picked up a few months ago (closeout, 
couldn't resist).  My plan was to replace the existing VOs on my Hillborne. 
 At the moment i'm having a hard time rationalizing the switch, the only 
meaningful reason i can think of is that my VOs use the old bolts so 
toe-overlap is a real problem for me on the front.  But other than that i'm 
pretty happy with them, i've dialed in the install, they don't rattle, the 
super long mudflaps that catch every speedbump don't affect them, i've beat 
them up and they've held up fine.  They're stainless steel so a bit heavier 
but the weight is not a huge concern for me, and i'm thinking of getting 
one of Anton's fender light mounts so SS may be better than AL in that 
case?  

Anyone else in a similar situation?  what made you finally switch them out? 
 

Oh and i am going from fluted fenders (VO) to hammered (Honjo) and i have 
to say the hammered look pretty bossmaybe that's a good enough reason.

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Re: [RBW] Re: VO fenders vs. Honjo fenders?

[Scott Henry]

I will also toss out the option of Handsome Cycles MudButler Fenders
http://handsomecycles.com/products/silver-fenders
Black or silver, priced compairable to Velo Orange too.   Ive used them and
they are long and easy to mount.

I've got a bike in the stand right now that needs some fenders, the current
42mm tires aren't making fender mounting too easy.
Scott

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 4:49 PM, Lungimsam  wrote:

> I dont think they make hammered fenders either.
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[RBW] Re: VO fenders vs. Honjo fenders?

[Lungimsam]

I dont think they make hammered fenders either.

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[RBW] Re: VO fenders vs. Honjo fenders?

[Anton Tutter]

Berthoud doesn't make aluminum fenders, only stainless steel. So they're 
heavier.

Anton


On Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 2:39:38 PM UTC-4, Andrew Patteson wrote:
>
> If I may ask:  then why not just get the Berthoud fenders instead?  Are 
> they inferior in some way?
>
> Thanks,
> Andrew in SLC
>
> On Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 8:33:46 AM UTC-6, Anton Tutter wrote:
>>
>>  the Berthoud stays are superior for the reasons Brian mentioned. 
>> 
>>
>> On Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 8:34:14 AM UTC-4, Brian Campbell wrote:
>>>
>>> I say buy the VO fenders but use the money saved to buy the Berthoud  
>>> mounting stays from Ben's cycle. 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: VO fenders vs. Honjo fenders?

[Andrew Patteson]

If I may ask:  then why not just get the Berthoud fenders instead?  Are 
they inferior in some way?

Thanks,
Andrew in SLC

On Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 8:33:46 AM UTC-6, Anton Tutter wrote:
>
>  the Berthoud stays are superior for the reasons Brian mentioned. 
> 
>
> On Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 8:34:14 AM UTC-4, Brian Campbell wrote:
>>
>> I say buy the VO fenders but use the money saved to buy the Berthoud  
>> mounting stays from Ben's cycle. 
>>
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[RBW] Re: VO fenders vs. Honjo fenders?

[Anton Tutter]

Brian nailed it. VO fenders themselves are great, every bit as high quality 
as Honjos, but the Berthoud stays are superior for the reasons Brian 
mentioned. Just make sure you purchase stays in the size that's appropriate 
for the width of your fenders.

For what it's worth, the very expensive Honjo fenders on my Jeff Lyon 
L'Avecaise had some serious symmetry problems from the factory and required 
a lot of manipulation to install correctly. One issue was that they had 
twist, and the other is that the scalloped ends were not shaped 
symmetrically. The curvature of the scallop on the left side of the fender 
did not match that of the other side. But I've not experienced a defective 
VO fender thus far, and I've installed at least a dozen sets of them on my 
own and other peoples' bikes. 

One thing that I do appreciate on Honjo fenders is the rounded rolled edge, 
which allows you to easily snake a taillight wire. Most VO fenders have a 
crimped edge which can not fit a wire.

Anton
velolumino.com

On Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 8:34:14 AM UTC-4, Brian Campbell wrote:
>
> I say buy the VO fenders but use the money saved to buy the Berthoud  
> mounting stays from Ben's cycle. The weigh less (not much), have a lower 
> profile on the out side of the fender (less chance for toe overlap) and to 
> my eye look less obtrusive than VO or Honjo mounting hardware. The Honjo 
> fenders are nicer but not by some order of magnitude to justify close to 
> double the price.
>
> On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 10:35:40 PM UTC-4, Esteban wrote:
>>
>> Honjos. Totally worth it for the quality and to have something made in 
>> Japan. Skip several lunches out (bring a sandwich) and there's the 
>> difference. 
>>
>> Esteban
>> San Diego, Calif.
>>
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[RBW] Re: VO fenders vs. Honjo fenders?

[masmojo]

I don't have the VO fenders,  but by my experience everything I've gotten from 
VO has been over the top great & probably better, then it needs to be. I plan 
on getting Zepplins fir at least 1 26" wheeled bike in the near future. 

I have wooden fenders on 2 bikes & Honjos on my Rawland; I picked up the Honjos 
from VO some years ago on clearance,  no problems mounting them, but last this 
last year I shortened the rear one by about 4", I frequently have to pop the 
bike up on the back wheel to maneuver it through tight spaces & the rear fender 
would always drag on the ground.  I cut it off and then got a hammer &  small 
anvil and worked the cut edge similar to how it had been finished before.  Like 
it much better now, an added bonus is it's easier to get the wheel in & out 
now. 

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[RBW] Re: VO fenders vs. Honjo fenders?

[Brian Campbell]

I say buy the VO fenders but use the money saved to buy the Berthoud  
mounting stays from Ben's cycle. The weigh less (not much), have a lower 
profile on the out side of the fender (less chance for toe overlap) and to 
my eye look less obtrusive than VO or Honjo mounting hardware. The Honjo 
fenders are nicer but not by some order of magnitude to justify close to 
double the price.

On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 10:35:40 PM UTC-4, Esteban wrote:
>
> Honjos. Totally worth it for the quality and to have something made in 
> Japan. Skip several lunches out (bring a sandwich) and there's the 
> difference. 
>
> Esteban
> San Diego, Calif.
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[RBW] Re: VO fenders vs. Honjo fenders?

[Esteban]

Honjos. Totally worth it for the quality and to have something made in Japan. 
Skip several lunches out (bring a sandwich) and there's the difference. 

Esteban
San Diego, Calif.

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[RBW] Re: VO fenders vs. Honjo fenders?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

CSI: The Fender Dent Files

On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 8:22:24 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> The right brifter hit the left side of the fender though she veered left?
>

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[RBW] Re: VO fenders vs. Honjo fenders?

[ascpgh]

The crease was to the left of the center of the fender. 

Andy Cheatham 
Pittsburgh

On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 8:22:24 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> The right brifter hit the left side of the fender though she veered left?
>

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[RBW] Re: VO fenders vs. Honjo fenders?

[Lungimsam]

The right brifter hit the left side of the fender though she veered left?

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Re: [RBW] Re: VO fenders vs. Honjo fenders?

[Paul G]

Boy, if her brifter was able to hit your rear fender, she must have had her 
bars slammed lower than low!


On Thursday, May 12, 2016 at 1:17:49 PM UTC-7, ascpgh wrote:
>
> Patrick, She veered to the left when realizing I was stopping, her right 
> brifter lever glancing the fender left of center, leaving a 3" crease in 
> the aluminum. Something in her lever let go from that and no longer worked 
> as new.
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: VO fenders vs. Honjo fenders?

[ascpgh]

Patrick, She veered to the left when realizing I was stopping, her right 
brifter lever glancing the fender left of center, leaving a 3" crease in 
the aluminum. Something in her lever let go from that and no longer worked 
as new. 

I installed my 40mm VO fenders rotated an additional 3" rearward to cover 
more wheel since I'm in rain and wetness often. My flap goes down pretty 
low to keep the spray off feet and drivetrain. Foil tape over the 
pre-drilled hole is fine, but I do note the forward discharge from the 
wheel getting me wet more in this configuration ue to the shorter forward 
projection. 

My lesson from that is that only the rolled metal can structurally reach 
forward and give cover from forward wheel spray, any shortage of length on 
the rear can be managed with an added flap, as long as a nominal amount of 
fender is back there. The flap cannot be hanging on the rear of the wheel. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh


On Thursday, May 12, 2016 at 11:08:27 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Jitensha has complete instructions for Honjos: 
> http://www.jitensha.com/eng/honjinstl.html
>
> (They also have some geared hubs, and some nice old shoes if you wear 
> 37-41, on remainder.)
>
> Andy: what happened to the other rider's CF bike, to make it inoperable? 
> And you came away with a slight dent in the fender?
>
> FWIW, the once or twice I've used VOs, the coverage was very complete -- I 
> didn't even need a mud flap in front, as the fender came down to 3" or so 
> from the ground -- this a 700C X 35 fender on a 700C X 29 tire.
>
> On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 5:04 AM, ascpgh  
> wrote:
>
>> I have both. Honjos on my Rambouillet, VO Zeppelins on my commuter and 
>> that's been a perfect distribution based on each's particulars.
>>
>> Honjos may not be the best for a first time installation unless you are 
>> careful, useful with your tools and have finished all your other chores (I 
>> got mine undrilled, with all the parts from a list member). Used Jan 
>> Heine's article in BQ as my instructions. Thin, light and quiet. Pricey, 
>> unless sourced as I did, but really do have a good visual result.
>>
>> The hammered pattern has a small crease on the rear where a 
>> plastic-go-faster goober rear ended me with a brake/shifter at a stoplight 
>> downtown (head aero-tucked and intention to run the light to preserve a 
>> Strava segment record?). Her bike rendered inoperable as a result. Honjo 
>> vs. brifter? Fender won that time not needing adjustment to ride on.
>>
>> VOs came with holes drilled, parts and instructions. After having learned 
>> on the Honjos, these went quickly. I did redrill the front one to rotate 
>> more fender behind the wheel so I didn't need a foot long flap for best 
>> spray protection. Thicker metal, bigger stays, a bit less coverage length 
>> than comparable Honjos, but quiet and half the price. Have taken the 
>> bashing of year round commuting, parking in racks and a couple of spills 
>> with aplomb and no visible damage. Whatever negatives they may have are 
>> lost in their performance of function. 
>>
>> Honjos if you want light, longer, precise placement of that coverage, 
>> don't mind the cost for more refined aesthetic and feel handy enough after 
>> reading the BQ article. 
>>
>> VO if the utter weight is less of a concern, having them prepped for your 
>> installation is attractive, and don't mind the difference in length to the 
>> comparable product. You still have to install them. Even if you intend to 
>> just take them to a bike shop, don't. 
>>
>> Read how to and install your fenders yourself. You will have more acuity 
>> of the details, appreciation of the fender line and exactitude of the 
>> execution than a shop mechanic would and every time you ride this fact will 
>> revisit and torture your soul. This applies unless you patronize a very 
>> informed, Bob-like shop that can swim out of the mainstream and remain 
>> fiscally pertinent while acquiring knowledge and skill in bizarre low 
>> frequency subjects like low trail, hub generators, fenders, bags and racks, 
>> etc. 
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: VO fenders vs. Honjo fenders?

[Philip Kim]

I've had SKS and VO fenders. My next set of fender is going back to VO. 
Really nice fenders for the price, and easy to install. Never installed 
metal fenders before VO's, and I installed within like 30 minutes?

Honjo has more sizing options.

On Wednesday, May 11, 2016 at 7:21:06 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> Which is better, and why? Diffs?
>
> I have Honjos (~150$) on my Bleriot, but 150$ is a lot of money, compared 
> to ~67$ for VO's, if I ever want to replace the SKS on my Sam with metal 
> fenders.
>
> I have seen a famous blogger (not Grant)  sort of, but not so obviously, 
> refer to VO stuff as "budget", but is that really true? Or is VO stuff good 
> and pretty reliable for long term and not easy to fail?
>

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[RBW] Re: VO fenders vs. Honjo fenders?

[Ian Wilder]

I have no experience with Honjos (other than ogling them from afar), but 
have installed VO's on a number of my own bikes and friend's bikes. I would 
say that for the price, VO's are great looking and pretty darn easy to 
install. It may just be my experience, but I've had an easier time 
installing VO's than SKS fenders. If you want the bling factor or a 
specific custom fit, go for the Honjos, but you really aren't missing out 
on much by going with the VO's. I have never been disappointed with their 
looks, install or functionality.  I'm not sure if I'd ever really need to 
spend the extra on the Honjos unless I had some cash and decided I wanted 
to support them on principle of their craftsmanship and tradition.

RE: "budget" - I would say that some VO parts can be a little "budget" 
feeling or rather are more affordable compared to vintage or MUSA gear, BUT 
the fenders are some of their best and well loved products. (I'm in no way 
maligning VO, I had a Long Haul Trucker with mostly VO bits, looked 
beautiful, no failures, etc.). Just my two cents!


Cheers,

Ian

On Wednesday, May 11, 2016 at 7:21:06 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> Which is better, and why? Diffs?
>
> I have Honjos (~150$) on my Bleriot, but 150$ is a lot of money, compared 
> to ~67$ for VO's, if I ever want to replace the SKS on my Sam with metal 
> fenders.
>
> I have seen a famous blogger (not Grant)  sort of, but not so obviously, 
> refer to VO stuff as "budget", but is that really true? Or is VO stuff good 
> and pretty reliable for long term and not easy to fail?
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: VO fenders vs. Honjo fenders?

[Patrick Moore]

Jitensha has complete instructions for Honjos:
http://www.jitensha.com/eng/honjinstl.html

(They also have some geared hubs, and some nice old shoes if you wear
37-41, on remainder.)

Andy: what happened to the other rider's CF bike, to make it inoperable?
And you came away with a slight dent in the fender?

FWIW, the once or twice I've used VOs, the coverage was very complete -- I
didn't even need a mud flap in front, as the fender came down to 3" or so
from the ground -- this a 700C X 35 fender on a 700C X 29 tire.

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 5:04 AM, ascpgh  wrote:

> I have both. Honjos on my Rambouillet, VO Zeppelins on my commuter and
> that's been a perfect distribution based on each's particulars.
>
> Honjos may not be the best for a first time installation unless you are
> careful, useful with your tools and have finished all your other chores (I
> got mine undrilled, with all the parts from a list member). Used Jan
> Heine's article in BQ as my instructions. Thin, light and quiet. Pricey,
> unless sourced as I did, but really do have a good visual result.
>
> The hammered pattern has a small crease on the rear where a
> plastic-go-faster goober rear ended me with a brake/shifter at a stoplight
> downtown (head aero-tucked and intention to run the light to preserve a
> Strava segment record?). Her bike rendered inoperable as a result. Honjo
> vs. brifter? Fender won that time not needing adjustment to ride on.
>
> VOs came with holes drilled, parts and instructions. After having learned
> on the Honjos, these went quickly. I did redrill the front one to rotate
> more fender behind the wheel so I didn't need a foot long flap for best
> spray protection. Thicker metal, bigger stays, a bit less coverage length
> than comparable Honjos, but quiet and half the price. Have taken the
> bashing of year round commuting, parking in racks and a couple of spills
> with aplomb and no visible damage. Whatever negatives they may have are
> lost in their performance of function.
>
> Honjos if you want light, longer, precise placement of that coverage,
> don't mind the cost for more refined aesthetic and feel handy enough after
> reading the BQ article.
>
> VO if the utter weight is less of a concern, having them prepped for your
> installation is attractive, and don't mind the difference in length to the
> comparable product. You still have to install them. Even if you intend to
> just take them to a bike shop, don't.
>
> Read how to and install your fenders yourself. You will have more acuity
> of the details, appreciation of the fender line and exactitude of the
> execution than a shop mechanic would and every time you ride this fact will
> revisit and torture your soul. This applies unless you patronize a very
> informed, Bob-like shop that can swim out of the mainstream and remain
> fiscally pertinent while acquiring knowledge and skill in bizarre low
> frequency subjects like low trail, hub generators, fenders, bags and racks,
> etc.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: VO fenders vs. Honjo fenders?

[Steve Palincsar]

Some Honjos come pre-drilled, others have not.  Some Honjos have even 
come with a flat area already made for under the fork crown.  I have 
several sets of Honjos purchased from various sources over the past 9 or 
10 years, and one set of VO purchased just prior to last Christmas.  I 
think my VO are made of thinner material than my Honjos, but I wouldn't 
swear to it or claim that this is true of all VO vs Honjo fenders.  One 
thing I think is true is that the folded under edge under the fender, 
where you can't see it, is far more nicely finished with the Honjos, all 
of them, than with the VO.  At one time, VO fenders used to come with 
only one draw bolt, but that's changed now - a significant improvement 
because a single draw bolt mount is rather prone to rattling.  VO 
fenders are much cheaper, especially when you buy them during the 
pre-Christmas sale, as I did.


On 05/12/2016 07:04 AM, ascpgh wrote:
I have both. Honjos on my Rambouillet, VO Zeppelins on my commuter and 
that's been a perfect distribution based on each's particulars.


Honjos may not be the best for a first time installation unless you 
are careful, useful with your tools and have finished all your other 
chores (I got mine undrilled, with all the parts from a list member). 
Used Jan Heine's article in BQ as my instructions. Thin, light and 
quiet. Pricey, unless sourced as I did, but really do have a good 
visual result.


The hammered pattern has a small crease on the rear where a 
plastic-go-faster goober rear ended me with a brake/shifter at a 
stoplight downtown (head aero-tucked and intention to run the light to 
preserve a Strava segment record?). Her bike rendered inoperable as a 
result. Honjo vs. brifter? Fender won that time not needing adjustment 
to ride on.


VOs came with holes drilled, parts and instructions. After having 
learned on the Honjos, these went quickly. I did redrill the front one 
to rotate more fender behind the wheel so I didn't need a foot long 
flap for best spray protection. Thicker metal, bigger stays, a bit 
less coverage length than comparable Honjos, but quiet and half the 
price. Have taken the bashing of year round commuting, parking in 
racks and a couple of spills with aplomb and no visible damage. 
Whatever negatives they may have are lost in their performance of 
function.


Honjos if you want light, longer, precise placement of that coverage, 
don't mind the cost for more refined aesthetic and feel handy enough 
after reading the BQ article.


VO if the utter weight is less of a concern, having them prepped for 
your installation is attractive, and don't mind the difference in 
length to the comparable product. You still have to install them. Even 
if you intend to just take them to a bike shop, don't.


Read how to and install your fenders yourself. You will have more 
acuity of the details, appreciation of the fender line and exactitude 
of the execution than a shop mechanic would and every time you ride 
this fact will revisit and torture your soul. This applies unless you 
patronize a very informed, Bob-like shop that can swim out of the 
mainstream and remain fiscally pertinent while acquiring knowledge and 
skill in bizarre low frequency subjects like low trail, hub 
generators, fenders, bags and racks, etc.




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[RBW] Re: VO fenders vs. Honjo fenders?

[ascpgh]

I have both. Honjos on my Rambouillet, VO Zeppelins on my commuter and 
that's been a perfect distribution based on each's particulars.

Honjos may not be the best for a first time installation unless you are 
careful, useful with your tools and have finished all your other chores (I 
got mine undrilled, with all the parts from a list member). Used Jan 
Heine's article in BQ as my instructions. Thin, light and quiet. Pricey, 
unless sourced as I did, but really do have a good visual result.

The hammered pattern has a small crease on the rear where a 
plastic-go-faster goober rear ended me with a brake/shifter at a stoplight 
downtown (head aero-tucked and intention to run the light to preserve a 
Strava segment record?). Her bike rendered inoperable as a result. Honjo 
vs. brifter? Fender won that time not needing adjustment to ride on.

VOs came with holes drilled, parts and instructions. After having learned 
on the Honjos, these went quickly. I did redrill the front one to rotate 
more fender behind the wheel so I didn't need a foot long flap for best 
spray protection. Thicker metal, bigger stays, a bit less coverage length 
than comparable Honjos, but quiet and half the price. Have taken the 
bashing of year round commuting, parking in racks and a couple of spills 
with aplomb and no visible damage. Whatever negatives they may have are 
lost in their performance of function. 

Honjos if you want light, longer, precise placement of that coverage, don't 
mind the cost for more refined aesthetic and feel handy enough after 
reading the BQ article. 

VO if the utter weight is less of a concern, having them prepped for your 
installation is attractive, and don't mind the difference in length to the 
comparable product. You still have to install them. Even if you intend to 
just take them to a bike shop, don't. 

Read how to and install your fenders yourself. You will have more acuity of 
the details, appreciation of the fender line and exactitude of the 
execution than a shop mechanic would and every time you ride this fact will 
revisit and torture your soul. This applies unless you patronize a very 
informed, Bob-like shop that can swim out of the mainstream and remain 
fiscally pertinent while acquiring knowledge and skill in bizarre low 
frequency subjects like low trail, hub generators, fenders, bags and racks, 
etc. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh


On Wednesday, May 11, 2016 at 7:21:06 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> Which is better, and why? Diffs?
>
> I have Honjos (~150$) on my Bleriot, but 150$ is a lot of money, compared 
> to ~67$ for VO's, if I ever want to replace the SKS on my Sam with metal 
> fenders.
>
> I have seen a famous blogger (not Grant)  sort of, but not so obviously, 
> refer to VO stuff as "budget", but is that really true? Or is VO stuff good 
> and pretty reliable for long term and not easy to fail?
>

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[RBW] Re: VO fenders vs. Honjo fenders?

[Brian Campbell]

I have the VO's on my Hilsen, which replaced a narrower set of Honjo's. I 
did think the Honjos seemed to be higher quality(subjective) and they 
seemed to be easier to install. One thing I would reccomend with either is 
using the Berthoud stays to mount them. I think they work better and they 
are lighter, by a small margin.


On Wednesday, May 11, 2016 at 7:26:28 PM UTC-4, Frank Brose wrote:
>
> I have VO's on my Rawland and don't have a problem with them. I wouldn't 
> hesitate to buy anothe pair.
>
> On Wednesday, May 11, 2016 at 6:21:06 PM UTC-5, Lungimsam wrote:
>>
>> Which is better, and why? Diffs?
>>
>> I have Honjos (~150$) on my Bleriot, but 150$ is a lot of money, compared 
>> to ~67$ for VO's, if I ever want to replace the SKS on my Sam with metal 
>> fenders.
>>
>> I have seen a famous blogger (not Grant)  sort of, but not so obviously, 
>> refer to VO stuff as "budget", but is that really true? Or is VO stuff good 
>> and pretty reliable for long term and not easy to fail?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: VO fenders vs. Honjo fenders?

[Ron Mc]

VO kits for both Honjo and VO (Tanaka) come pre-drilled.  
The first set I installed were 36mm Honjos that VO was closing out for $65, 
limited to 28mm tires.  
After doing it once, the second set I installed, I preferred going the 
Jitensha route of fenders with no pre-drilling so I could put all the holes 
where I wanted them, and use the exact hardware I chose.  

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[RBW] Re: VO fenders vs. Honjo fenders?

[Frank Brose]

I have VO's on my Rawland and don't have a problem with them. I wouldn't 
hesitate to buy anothe pair.

On Wednesday, May 11, 2016 at 6:21:06 PM UTC-5, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> Which is better, and why? Diffs?
>
> I have Honjos (~150$) on my Bleriot, but 150$ is a lot of money, compared 
> to ~67$ for VO's, if I ever want to replace the SKS on my Sam with metal 
> fenders.
>
> I have seen a famous blogger (not Grant)  sort of, but not so obviously, 
> refer to VO stuff as "budget", but is that really true? Or is VO stuff good 
> and pretty reliable for long term and not easy to fail?
>

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[RBW] Re: VO fenders vs. Honjo fenders?

[Ron Mc]

Honjos are thinner making them somewhat lighter.  
VO fenders are made by Tanaka.  
I'd say they're all good.  

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