[RBW] Re: Wheel Builder

[JohnS]

Josh,

Your Atlantis looks great with the new wheels. I'm a big fan of WI hubs (I 
have 3 wheelsets with them now). I think you'll be very happy with them. 
The rear hub clicking sound doesn't bother to me either.

JohnS

On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 8:09:59 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> Reporting back on the Peter White built cliffhanger set. They look great 
> and the White Ind rear hub sounds great, very quiet IMO. Doesn’t sound any 
> louder than a shimano to be honest. I guess it may get louder with time, we 
> will see
>
> [image: IMG_0669.jpeg][image: IMG_0668.jpeg]
>
> On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 1:06:43 PM UTC-4 Fullylugged wrote:
>
>> Velocity USA builds their wheels in Grand Rapids MI.  I am very happy 
>> with the set I ride on.
>>
>> On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 8:13:50 AM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> I could use a recommendation for a good wheel builder. I've used 
>>> prowheelbuilder.com in the past and have no complaints. Not sure how I 
>>> landed on them. Just curious if there is another business that I should be 
>>> looking into? I'm located in Indianapolis as well, and would prefer sending 
>>> business to a local or at least midwest company if possible.  
>>>
>>> I'm looking for a set of 700c wheels for my Atlantis. I'm thinking I'll 
>>> do velocity cliffhangers with a SON up front and a nice rear hub. The rear 
>>> is not yet totally decided as I like quiet hubs but there are not many 
>>> options in rim brake, 36-40h hubs these days. I've got an onyx silent hub 
>>> on my crust and love it but they only go up to 32h and I'd prefer 36 or 40 
>>> as I'm a big dude. Which is why I'm thinking about a white industry (loud 
>>> as they come) rear hub in 36 or 40h. 
>>>
>>> Anyway. I'd like to hear about your preferred wheel builders. 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Wheel Builder

[Fullylugged]

Velocity USA builds their wheels in Grand Rapids MI.  I am very happy with 
the set I ride on.

On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 8:13:50 AM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:

> I could use a recommendation for a good wheel builder. I've used 
> prowheelbuilder.com in the past and have no complaints. Not sure how I 
> landed on them. Just curious if there is another business that I should be 
> looking into? I'm located in Indianapolis as well, and would prefer sending 
> business to a local or at least midwest company if possible.  
>
> I'm looking for a set of 700c wheels for my Atlantis. I'm thinking I'll do 
> velocity cliffhangers with a SON up front and a nice rear hub. The rear is 
> not yet totally decided as I like quiet hubs but there are not many options 
> in rim brake, 36-40h hubs these days. I've got an onyx silent hub on my 
> crust and love it but they only go up to 32h and I'd prefer 36 or 40 as I'm 
> a big dude. Which is why I'm thinking about a white industry (loud as they 
> come) rear hub in 36 or 40h. 
>
> Anyway. I'd like to hear about your preferred wheel builders. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Wheel Builder

[Mike Godwin]

Hi Folks
A good thread here to ask a question, somewhat related. A coworker was 
lamenting that a spoke broke on his Campy Nucleon rear wheel. I suggested 
Gerd Schraner web pages for info on the wheel (2002 era). But I could not 
find a link to the darn web page. Only his book.  Got link? 

Based on grainy web photos, it looks like straight pull stainless steel 
spokes are used, and nipples are hidden in the rim. He did not have the 
wheel at work. 
Mike SLO CA 
On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 5:46:21 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:

> Well, too late now, but thanks for the input. I'll have to check them out. 
> I would have liked a local option. 
>
> On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 1:19:46 PM UTC-4 MM Indy wrote:
>
>> Josh,
>>   Stay local and checkout Owen at Clermont Cyclery.
>>   Owen has built several wheelsets for me that are running strong.
>>   The one he built for my Rosco Platy (WI MI5 Hubs + Berd Spokes + 
>> Velocity Quill Rims) is the one most dear to me.
>>   He is willing to build to my specs and the pricing is competitive. 
>> Best
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 8:50:58 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, I saw several recommendations for Sugar but their site showed a 
>>> bunch of Astral and carbon hoops. I'm sure they can get in whatever you 
>>> want but that's why I didn't initially reach out to them. Also, at least 
>>> Peter White is on this side of the country. Him and his wife Linda seemed 
>>> quite knowledgable.  I'll report back when I get the wheels and let y'all 
>>> know how they turned out. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 8:20:13 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:
>>>
 Peter White is also a very good resource for insight on hubs and rims 
 to use for wheel builds. He always seems to have some things squirreled 
 away that would be just the thing for your build. Have an honest 
 assessment 
 of your weight, riding, loads and other needs and he'll quote you up. He's 
 built several wheel sets for me and I have nothing but compliments. 
 several 
 works for me too although not quite local. 

 Andy Cheatham
 Pittsburgh

 On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 7:09:15 AM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Not close to you but I used Peter White on my last wheels and have 
> been very pleased. He is meticulous. 
>
> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 7:49:49 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>
>> Thanks. I've heard of Sugar but didn't think of that, I'll look into 
>> them. 
>>
>> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 2:13:14 PM UTC-4 fra...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I had several nice wheels over the years, including some Rich built. 
>>> I have to recommend Sugar wheel works. I had a set of SimWorks 
>>> Stand-alone 
>>> rims (Velocity Cliffhanger) with CX ray spokes MI5 rear hub and Son 
>>> front 
>>> and they were the nicest build I’ve ever seen by far. Great to work 
>>> with 
>>> and the price was much better than some other options as well. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 12:56:10 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Laing. I do have a set of VO rims on a bike that I recently 
 acquired and like them so far. I've ridden on them throughout the 
 summer 
 quite a bit. I like that they come in a polished finish but the 
 highest 
 hole count is 36. I'm not sure how they will hold up just yet, but 
 they 
 seem nice. Wish they did 'em in a 40h. I don't mind truing a wheel, 
 and 
 have a truing stand, but I'd rather have a pro build the wheel. 

 On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 2:05:52 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> I almost always build my own wheels, but you cannot go wrong with 
> either Rich Lesnik (Rivendell / Hands On Wheels) or Peter White. I 
> have had 
> wheels from both, and they were flawless. Not local to you though, 
> west 
> coast and east coast respectively.
>
> I use Velocity or Velo Orange rims; Phil Wood, White Industries, 
> Paul, Curtis Odom or classic Campagnolo hubs (Nuovo Record or Tipo); 
> and 
> Wheelsmith (out of production but still out there) or Sapim spokes. 
> Most of 
> my wheels are now 40 and 48 spoke, but I do have quite a few 36 and 
> even a 
> couple 32s.
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
>
> On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 9:13:50 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>
>> I could use a recommendation for a good wheel builder. I've used 
>> prowheelbuilder.com in the past and have no complaints. Not sure 
>> how I landed on them. Just curious if there is another business that 
>> I 
>> should be looking into? I'm located in Indianapolis as well, and 
>> would 
>> prefer sending business to a local or at least midwest 

[RBW] Re: Wheel Builder

[Josh C]

Well, too late now, but thanks for the input. I'll have to check them out. 
I would have liked a local option. 

On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 1:19:46 PM UTC-4 MM Indy wrote:

> Josh,
>   Stay local and checkout Owen at Clermont Cyclery.
>   Owen has built several wheelsets for me that are running strong.
>   The one he built for my Rosco Platy (WI MI5 Hubs + Berd Spokes + 
> Velocity Quill Rims) is the one most dear to me.
>   He is willing to build to my specs and the pricing is competitive. 
> Best
>
>
> On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 8:50:58 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I saw several recommendations for Sugar but their site showed a 
>> bunch of Astral and carbon hoops. I'm sure they can get in whatever you 
>> want but that's why I didn't initially reach out to them. Also, at least 
>> Peter White is on this side of the country. Him and his wife Linda seemed 
>> quite knowledgable.  I'll report back when I get the wheels and let y'all 
>> know how they turned out. 
>>
>> On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 8:20:13 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:
>>
>>> Peter White is also a very good resource for insight on hubs and rims to 
>>> use for wheel builds. He always seems to have some things squirreled away 
>>> that would be just the thing for your build. Have an honest assessment of 
>>> your weight, riding, loads and other needs and he'll quote you up. He's 
>>> built several wheel sets for me and I have nothing but compliments. several 
>>> works for me too although not quite local. 
>>>
>>> Andy Cheatham
>>> Pittsburgh
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 7:09:15 AM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Not close to you but I used Peter White on my last wheels and have been 
 very pleased. He is meticulous. 

 On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 7:49:49 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> Thanks. I've heard of Sugar but didn't think of that, I'll look into 
> them. 
>
> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 2:13:14 PM UTC-4 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I had several nice wheels over the years, including some Rich built. 
>> I have to recommend Sugar wheel works. I had a set of SimWorks 
>> Stand-alone 
>> rims (Velocity Cliffhanger) with CX ray spokes MI5 rear hub and Son 
>> front 
>> and they were the nicest build I’ve ever seen by far. Great to work with 
>> and the price was much better than some other options as well. 
>>
>> On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 12:56:10 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Laing. I do have a set of VO rims on a bike that I recently 
>>> acquired and like them so far. I've ridden on them throughout the 
>>> summer 
>>> quite a bit. I like that they come in a polished finish but the highest 
>>> hole count is 36. I'm not sure how they will hold up just yet, but they 
>>> seem nice. Wish they did 'em in a 40h. I don't mind truing a wheel, and 
>>> have a truing stand, but I'd rather have a pro build the wheel. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 2:05:52 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>>
 I almost always build my own wheels, but you cannot go wrong with 
 either Rich Lesnik (Rivendell / Hands On Wheels) or Peter White. I 
 have had 
 wheels from both, and they were flawless. Not local to you though, 
 west 
 coast and east coast respectively.

 I use Velocity or Velo Orange rims; Phil Wood, White Industries, 
 Paul, Curtis Odom or classic Campagnolo hubs (Nuovo Record or Tipo); 
 and 
 Wheelsmith (out of production but still out there) or Sapim spokes. 
 Most of 
 my wheels are now 40 and 48 spoke, but I do have quite a few 36 and 
 even a 
 couple 32s.

 Laing
 Delray Beach FL

 On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 9:13:50 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> I could use a recommendation for a good wheel builder. I've used 
> prowheelbuilder.com in the past and have no complaints. Not sure 
> how I landed on them. Just curious if there is another business that 
> I 
> should be looking into? I'm located in Indianapolis as well, and 
> would 
> prefer sending business to a local or at least midwest company if 
> possible. 
>  
>
> I'm looking for a set of 700c wheels for my Atlantis. I'm thinking 
> I'll do velocity cliffhangers with a SON up front and a nice rear 
> hub. The 
> rear is not yet totally decided as I like quiet hubs but there are 
> not many 
> options in rim brake, 36-40h hubs these days. I've got an onyx silent 
> hub 
> on my crust and love it but they only go up to 32h and I'd prefer 36 
> or 40 
> as I'm a big dude. Which is why I'm thinking about a white industry 
> (loud 
> as they come) rear hub in 36 or 40h. 
>
> Anyway. I'd 

[RBW] Re: Wheel Builder

[MM Indy]

Josh,
  Stay local and checkout Owen at Clermont Cyclery.
  Owen has built several wheelsets for me that are running strong.
  The one he built for my Rosco Platy (WI MI5 Hubs + Berd Spokes + Velocity 
Quill Rims) is the one most dear to me.
  He is willing to build to my specs and the pricing is competitive. 
Best


On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 8:50:58 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> Yeah, I saw several recommendations for Sugar but their site showed a 
> bunch of Astral and carbon hoops. I'm sure they can get in whatever you 
> want but that's why I didn't initially reach out to them. Also, at least 
> Peter White is on this side of the country. Him and his wife Linda seemed 
> quite knowledgable.  I'll report back when I get the wheels and let y'all 
> know how they turned out. 
>
> On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 8:20:13 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> Peter White is also a very good resource for insight on hubs and rims to 
>> use for wheel builds. He always seems to have some things squirreled away 
>> that would be just the thing for your build. Have an honest assessment of 
>> your weight, riding, loads and other needs and he'll quote you up. He's 
>> built several wheel sets for me and I have nothing but compliments. several 
>> works for me too although not quite local. 
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 7:09:15 AM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Not close to you but I used Peter White on my last wheels and have been 
>>> very pleased. He is meticulous. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 7:49:49 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 Thanks. I've heard of Sugar but didn't think of that, I'll look into 
 them. 

 On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 2:13:14 PM UTC-4 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> I had several nice wheels over the years, including some Rich built. I 
> have to recommend Sugar wheel works. I had a set of SimWorks Stand-alone 
> rims (Velocity Cliffhanger) with CX ray spokes MI5 rear hub and Son front 
> and they were the nicest build I’ve ever seen by far. Great to work with 
> and the price was much better than some other options as well. 
>
> On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 12:56:10 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>
>> Thanks Laing. I do have a set of VO rims on a bike that I recently 
>> acquired and like them so far. I've ridden on them throughout the summer 
>> quite a bit. I like that they come in a polished finish but the highest 
>> hole count is 36. I'm not sure how they will hold up just yet, but they 
>> seem nice. Wish they did 'em in a 40h. I don't mind truing a wheel, and 
>> have a truing stand, but I'd rather have a pro build the wheel. 
>>
>> On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 2:05:52 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> I almost always build my own wheels, but you cannot go wrong with 
>>> either Rich Lesnik (Rivendell / Hands On Wheels) or Peter White. I have 
>>> had 
>>> wheels from both, and they were flawless. Not local to you though, west 
>>> coast and east coast respectively.
>>>
>>> I use Velocity or Velo Orange rims; Phil Wood, White Industries, 
>>> Paul, Curtis Odom or classic Campagnolo hubs (Nuovo Record or Tipo); 
>>> and 
>>> Wheelsmith (out of production but still out there) or Sapim spokes. 
>>> Most of 
>>> my wheels are now 40 and 48 spoke, but I do have quite a few 36 and 
>>> even a 
>>> couple 32s.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>> Delray Beach FL
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 9:13:50 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 I could use a recommendation for a good wheel builder. I've used 
 prowheelbuilder.com in the past and have no complaints. Not sure 
 how I landed on them. Just curious if there is another business that I 
 should be looking into? I'm located in Indianapolis as well, and would 
 prefer sending business to a local or at least midwest company if 
 possible. 
  

 I'm looking for a set of 700c wheels for my Atlantis. I'm thinking 
 I'll do velocity cliffhangers with a SON up front and a nice rear hub. 
 The 
 rear is not yet totally decided as I like quiet hubs but there are not 
 many 
 options in rim brake, 36-40h hubs these days. I've got an onyx silent 
 hub 
 on my crust and love it but they only go up to 32h and I'd prefer 36 
 or 40 
 as I'm a big dude. Which is why I'm thinking about a white industry 
 (loud 
 as they come) rear hub in 36 or 40h. 

 Anyway. I'd like to hear about your preferred wheel builders. 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Wheel Builder

[Josh C]

Yeah, I saw several recommendations for Sugar but their site showed a bunch 
of Astral and carbon hoops. I'm sure they can get in whatever you want but 
that's why I didn't initially reach out to them. Also, at least Peter White 
is on this side of the country. Him and his wife Linda seemed quite 
knowledgable.  I'll report back when I get the wheels and let y'all know 
how they turned out. 

On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 8:20:13 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:

> Peter White is also a very good resource for insight on hubs and rims to 
> use for wheel builds. He always seems to have some things squirreled away 
> that would be just the thing for your build. Have an honest assessment of 
> your weight, riding, loads and other needs and he'll quote you up. He's 
> built several wheel sets for me and I have nothing but compliments. several 
> works for me too although not quite local. 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 7:09:15 AM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Not close to you but I used Peter White on my last wheels and have been 
>> very pleased. He is meticulous. 
>>
>> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 7:49:49 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks. I've heard of Sugar but didn't think of that, I'll look into 
>>> them. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 2:13:14 PM UTC-4 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I had several nice wheels over the years, including some Rich built. I 
 have to recommend Sugar wheel works. I had a set of SimWorks Stand-alone 
 rims (Velocity Cliffhanger) with CX ray spokes MI5 rear hub and Son front 
 and they were the nicest build I’ve ever seen by far. Great to work with 
 and the price was much better than some other options as well. 

 On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 12:56:10 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:

> Thanks Laing. I do have a set of VO rims on a bike that I recently 
> acquired and like them so far. I've ridden on them throughout the summer 
> quite a bit. I like that they come in a polished finish but the highest 
> hole count is 36. I'm not sure how they will hold up just yet, but they 
> seem nice. Wish they did 'em in a 40h. I don't mind truing a wheel, and 
> have a truing stand, but I'd rather have a pro build the wheel. 
>
> On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 2:05:52 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>
>> I almost always build my own wheels, but you cannot go wrong with 
>> either Rich Lesnik (Rivendell / Hands On Wheels) or Peter White. I have 
>> had 
>> wheels from both, and they were flawless. Not local to you though, west 
>> coast and east coast respectively.
>>
>> I use Velocity or Velo Orange rims; Phil Wood, White Industries, 
>> Paul, Curtis Odom or classic Campagnolo hubs (Nuovo Record or Tipo); and 
>> Wheelsmith (out of production but still out there) or Sapim spokes. Most 
>> of 
>> my wheels are now 40 and 48 spoke, but I do have quite a few 36 and even 
>> a 
>> couple 32s.
>>
>> Laing
>> Delray Beach FL
>>
>> On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 9:13:50 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> I could use a recommendation for a good wheel builder. I've used 
>>> prowheelbuilder.com in the past and have no complaints. Not sure 
>>> how I landed on them. Just curious if there is another business that I 
>>> should be looking into? I'm located in Indianapolis as well, and would 
>>> prefer sending business to a local or at least midwest company if 
>>> possible. 
>>>  
>>>
>>> I'm looking for a set of 700c wheels for my Atlantis. I'm thinking 
>>> I'll do velocity cliffhangers with a SON up front and a nice rear hub. 
>>> The 
>>> rear is not yet totally decided as I like quiet hubs but there are not 
>>> many 
>>> options in rim brake, 36-40h hubs these days. I've got an onyx silent 
>>> hub 
>>> on my crust and love it but they only go up to 32h and I'd prefer 36 or 
>>> 40 
>>> as I'm a big dude. Which is why I'm thinking about a white industry 
>>> (loud 
>>> as they come) rear hub in 36 or 40h. 
>>>
>>> Anyway. I'd like to hear about your preferred wheel builders. 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Wheel Builder

[ascpgh]

Peter White is also a very good resource for insight on hubs and rims to 
use for wheel builds. He always seems to have some things squirreled away 
that would be just the thing for your build. Have an honest assessment of 
your weight, riding, loads and other needs and he'll quote you up. He's 
built several wheel sets for me and I have nothing but compliments. several 
works for me too although not quite local. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 7:09:15 AM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

> Not close to you but I used Peter White on my last wheels and have been 
> very pleased. He is meticulous. 
>
> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 7:49:49 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>
>> Thanks. I've heard of Sugar but didn't think of that, I'll look into 
>> them. 
>>
>> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 2:13:14 PM UTC-4 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I had several nice wheels over the years, including some Rich built. I 
>>> have to recommend Sugar wheel works. I had a set of SimWorks Stand-alone 
>>> rims (Velocity Cliffhanger) with CX ray spokes MI5 rear hub and Son front 
>>> and they were the nicest build I’ve ever seen by far. Great to work with 
>>> and the price was much better than some other options as well. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 12:56:10 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Laing. I do have a set of VO rims on a bike that I recently 
 acquired and like them so far. I've ridden on them throughout the summer 
 quite a bit. I like that they come in a polished finish but the highest 
 hole count is 36. I'm not sure how they will hold up just yet, but they 
 seem nice. Wish they did 'em in a 40h. I don't mind truing a wheel, and 
 have a truing stand, but I'd rather have a pro build the wheel. 

 On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 2:05:52 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> I almost always build my own wheels, but you cannot go wrong with 
> either Rich Lesnik (Rivendell / Hands On Wheels) or Peter White. I have 
> had 
> wheels from both, and they were flawless. Not local to you though, west 
> coast and east coast respectively.
>
> I use Velocity or Velo Orange rims; Phil Wood, White Industries, Paul, 
> Curtis Odom or classic Campagnolo hubs (Nuovo Record or Tipo); and 
> Wheelsmith (out of production but still out there) or Sapim spokes. Most 
> of 
> my wheels are now 40 and 48 spoke, but I do have quite a few 36 and even 
> a 
> couple 32s.
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
>
> On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 9:13:50 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>
>> I could use a recommendation for a good wheel builder. I've used 
>> prowheelbuilder.com in the past and have no complaints. Not sure how 
>> I landed on them. Just curious if there is another business that I 
>> should 
>> be looking into? I'm located in Indianapolis as well, and would prefer 
>> sending business to a local or at least midwest company if possible.  
>>
>> I'm looking for a set of 700c wheels for my Atlantis. I'm thinking 
>> I'll do velocity cliffhangers with a SON up front and a nice rear hub. 
>> The 
>> rear is not yet totally decided as I like quiet hubs but there are not 
>> many 
>> options in rim brake, 36-40h hubs these days. I've got an onyx silent 
>> hub 
>> on my crust and love it but they only go up to 32h and I'd prefer 36 or 
>> 40 
>> as I'm a big dude. Which is why I'm thinking about a white industry 
>> (loud 
>> as they come) rear hub in 36 or 40h. 
>>
>> Anyway. I'd like to hear about your preferred wheel builders. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Wheel Builder

[velomann]

Another vote here for Sugar Wheelworks. I build my own wheels, but started 
down that road when former owner Jude Kirstein taught me how in a class at 
Sugar. They're now part of Breadwinner Cycles, and the go-to source for 
quality hand-built wheels in Portland. 

Regarding rear hubs, I have 2 bikes running White Industry T11 hubs, one 
with easily over 50k miles on it, and they have been fantastic and 
maintenance-free. On the hub noise spectrum, I'd say they're slightly 
louder than my DT Swiss 350, but not as loud as my Hope Pro 4 or Pro 5 hubs 
(which I also love), and those aren't as loud as Chris King's "Angry Bees."

If you can find an XTR hub, those are among my favorite quality quiet hubs 
- I've built 2 rear XTR wheels on used hubs and they're pretty sweet and 
nearly silent.

Mike "Loud Hubs Save Lives" Mann

On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 4:49:49 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:

> Thanks. I've heard of Sugar but didn't think of that, I'll look into them. 
>
> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 2:13:14 PM UTC-4 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I had several nice wheels over the years, including some Rich built. I 
>> have to recommend Sugar wheel works. I had a set of SimWorks Stand-alone 
>> rims (Velocity Cliffhanger) with CX ray spokes MI5 rear hub and Son front 
>> and they were the nicest build I’ve ever seen by far. Great to work with 
>> and the price was much better than some other options as well. 
>>
>> On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 12:56:10 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Laing. I do have a set of VO rims on a bike that I recently 
>>> acquired and like them so far. I've ridden on them throughout the summer 
>>> quite a bit. I like that they come in a polished finish but the highest 
>>> hole count is 36. I'm not sure how they will hold up just yet, but they 
>>> seem nice. Wish they did 'em in a 40h. I don't mind truing a wheel, and 
>>> have a truing stand, but I'd rather have a pro build the wheel. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 2:05:52 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>>
 I almost always build my own wheels, but you cannot go wrong with 
 either Rich Lesnik (Rivendell / Hands On Wheels) or Peter White. I have 
 had 
 wheels from both, and they were flawless. Not local to you though, west 
 coast and east coast respectively.

 I use Velocity or Velo Orange rims; Phil Wood, White Industries, Paul, 
 Curtis Odom or classic Campagnolo hubs (Nuovo Record or Tipo); and 
 Wheelsmith (out of production but still out there) or Sapim spokes. Most 
 of 
 my wheels are now 40 and 48 spoke, but I do have quite a few 36 and even a 
 couple 32s.

 Laing
 Delray Beach FL

 On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 9:13:50 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> I could use a recommendation for a good wheel builder. I've used 
> prowheelbuilder.com in the past and have no complaints. Not sure how 
> I landed on them. Just curious if there is another business that I should 
> be looking into? I'm located in Indianapolis as well, and would prefer 
> sending business to a local or at least midwest company if possible.  
>
> I'm looking for a set of 700c wheels for my Atlantis. I'm thinking 
> I'll do velocity cliffhangers with a SON up front and a nice rear hub. 
> The 
> rear is not yet totally decided as I like quiet hubs but there are not 
> many 
> options in rim brake, 36-40h hubs these days. I've got an onyx silent hub 
> on my crust and love it but they only go up to 32h and I'd prefer 36 or 
> 40 
> as I'm a big dude. Which is why I'm thinking about a white industry (loud 
> as they come) rear hub in 36 or 40h. 
>
> Anyway. I'd like to hear about your preferred wheel builders. 
>


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[RBW] Re: Wheel Builder

[Johnny Alien]

Rich had some sort of surgery a little bit ago and is pretty backed up with 
orders and wheels for Rivendell builds. I have been in the queue for awhile 
with full knowledge that there would be a wait. Health wise I believe he is 
doing OK.

On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 2:57:16 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> To follow up. I ended up narrowing it down to Peter White or Rich at Hands 
> on and emailed them both for a quote/recommendation. The folks at Peter 
> White's shop were the only ones who replied, which made the decision pretty 
> easy. Hope everything is ok with Rich. 
>
> I'll follow up when I get the wheels. It'll be a bit as they had to order 
> in the 40h rear hoop and hub
>
> On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 7:05:20 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>
>> Peter White. Thanks for the recommendation guys. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 9:08:43 PM UTC-4 Jon B wrote:
>>
>>> I have been happy with three lightweight wheels Peter White built for me.
>>>
>>> With my first rear wheel (Mavic Open Pro rim), as I left the shop he 
>>> said, "It will never need truing."  I was skeptical, but over 20,000 miles 
>>> later, it has never been touched by a spoke wrench.
>>>
>>> Jon Blum
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 4:49:49 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 Thanks. I've heard of Sugar but didn't think of that, I'll look into 
 them. 

 On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 2:13:14 PM UTC-4 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> I had several nice wheels over the years, including some Rich built. I 
> have to recommend Sugar wheel works. I had a set of SimWorks Stand-alone 
> rims (Velocity Cliffhanger) with CX ray spokes MI5 rear hub and Son front 
> and they were the nicest build I’ve ever seen by far. Great to work with 
> and the price was much better than some other options as well. 
>
> On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 12:56:10 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>
>> Thanks Laing. I do have a set of VO rims on a bike that I recently 
>> acquired and like them so far. I've ridden on them throughout the summer 
>> quite a bit. I like that they come in a polished finish but the highest 
>> hole count is 36. I'm not sure how they will hold up just yet, but they 
>> seem nice. Wish they did 'em in a 40h. I don't mind truing a wheel, and 
>> have a truing stand, but I'd rather have a pro build the wheel. 
>>
>> On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 2:05:52 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> I almost always build my own wheels, but you cannot go wrong with 
>>> either Rich Lesnik (Rivendell / Hands On Wheels) or Peter White. I have 
>>> had 
>>> wheels from both, and they were flawless. Not local to you though, west 
>>> coast and east coast respectively.
>>>
>>> I use Velocity or Velo Orange rims; Phil Wood, White Industries, 
>>> Paul, Curtis Odom or classic Campagnolo hubs (Nuovo Record or Tipo); 
>>> and 
>>> Wheelsmith (out of production but still out there) or Sapim spokes. 
>>> Most of 
>>> my wheels are now 40 and 48 spoke, but I do have quite a few 36 and 
>>> even a 
>>> couple 32s.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>> Delray Beach FL
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 9:13:50 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 I could use a recommendation for a good wheel builder. I've used 
 prowheelbuilder.com in the past and have no complaints. Not sure 
 how I landed on them. Just curious if there is another business that I 
 should be looking into? I'm located in Indianapolis as well, and would 
 prefer sending business to a local or at least midwest company if 
 possible. 
  

 I'm looking for a set of 700c wheels for my Atlantis. I'm thinking 
 I'll do velocity cliffhangers with a SON up front and a nice rear hub. 
 The 
 rear is not yet totally decided as I like quiet hubs but there are not 
 many 
 options in rim brake, 36-40h hubs these days. I've got an onyx silent 
 hub 
 on my crust and love it but they only go up to 32h and I'd prefer 36 
 or 40 
 as I'm a big dude. Which is why I'm thinking about a white industry 
 (loud 
 as they come) rear hub in 36 or 40h. 

 Anyway. I'd like to hear about your preferred wheel builders. 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Wheel Builder

[Josh C]

To follow up. I ended up narrowing it down to Peter White or Rich at Hands 
on and emailed them both for a quote/recommendation. The folks at Peter 
White's shop were the only ones who replied, which made the decision pretty 
easy. Hope everything is ok with Rich. 

I'll follow up when I get the wheels. It'll be a bit as they had to order 
in the 40h rear hoop and hub

On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 7:05:20 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> Peter White. Thanks for the recommendation guys. 
>
> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 9:08:43 PM UTC-4 Jon B wrote:
>
>> I have been happy with three lightweight wheels Peter White built for me.
>>
>> With my first rear wheel (Mavic Open Pro rim), as I left the shop he 
>> said, "It will never need truing."  I was skeptical, but over 20,000 miles 
>> later, it has never been touched by a spoke wrench.
>>
>> Jon Blum
>>
>> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 4:49:49 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks. I've heard of Sugar but didn't think of that, I'll look into 
>>> them. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 2:13:14 PM UTC-4 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I had several nice wheels over the years, including some Rich built. I 
 have to recommend Sugar wheel works. I had a set of SimWorks Stand-alone 
 rims (Velocity Cliffhanger) with CX ray spokes MI5 rear hub and Son front 
 and they were the nicest build I’ve ever seen by far. Great to work with 
 and the price was much better than some other options as well. 

 On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 12:56:10 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:

> Thanks Laing. I do have a set of VO rims on a bike that I recently 
> acquired and like them so far. I've ridden on them throughout the summer 
> quite a bit. I like that they come in a polished finish but the highest 
> hole count is 36. I'm not sure how they will hold up just yet, but they 
> seem nice. Wish they did 'em in a 40h. I don't mind truing a wheel, and 
> have a truing stand, but I'd rather have a pro build the wheel. 
>
> On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 2:05:52 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>
>> I almost always build my own wheels, but you cannot go wrong with 
>> either Rich Lesnik (Rivendell / Hands On Wheels) or Peter White. I have 
>> had 
>> wheels from both, and they were flawless. Not local to you though, west 
>> coast and east coast respectively.
>>
>> I use Velocity or Velo Orange rims; Phil Wood, White Industries, 
>> Paul, Curtis Odom or classic Campagnolo hubs (Nuovo Record or Tipo); and 
>> Wheelsmith (out of production but still out there) or Sapim spokes. Most 
>> of 
>> my wheels are now 40 and 48 spoke, but I do have quite a few 36 and even 
>> a 
>> couple 32s.
>>
>> Laing
>> Delray Beach FL
>>
>> On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 9:13:50 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> I could use a recommendation for a good wheel builder. I've used 
>>> prowheelbuilder.com in the past and have no complaints. Not sure 
>>> how I landed on them. Just curious if there is another business that I 
>>> should be looking into? I'm located in Indianapolis as well, and would 
>>> prefer sending business to a local or at least midwest company if 
>>> possible. 
>>>  
>>>
>>> I'm looking for a set of 700c wheels for my Atlantis. I'm thinking 
>>> I'll do velocity cliffhangers with a SON up front and a nice rear hub. 
>>> The 
>>> rear is not yet totally decided as I like quiet hubs but there are not 
>>> many 
>>> options in rim brake, 36-40h hubs these days. I've got an onyx silent 
>>> hub 
>>> on my crust and love it but they only go up to 32h and I'd prefer 36 or 
>>> 40 
>>> as I'm a big dude. Which is why I'm thinking about a white industry 
>>> (loud 
>>> as they come) rear hub in 36 or 40h. 
>>>
>>> Anyway. I'd like to hear about your preferred wheel builders. 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Wheel Builder

[Josh C]

Peter White. Thanks for the recommendation guys. 

On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 9:08:43 PM UTC-4 Jon B wrote:

> I have been happy with three lightweight wheels Peter White built for me.
>
> With my first rear wheel (Mavic Open Pro rim), as I left the shop he said, 
> "It will never need truing."  I was skeptical, but over 20,000 miles later, 
> it has never been touched by a spoke wrench.
>
> Jon Blum
>
> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 4:49:49 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>
>> Thanks. I've heard of Sugar but didn't think of that, I'll look into 
>> them. 
>>
>> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 2:13:14 PM UTC-4 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I had several nice wheels over the years, including some Rich built. I 
>>> have to recommend Sugar wheel works. I had a set of SimWorks Stand-alone 
>>> rims (Velocity Cliffhanger) with CX ray spokes MI5 rear hub and Son front 
>>> and they were the nicest build I’ve ever seen by far. Great to work with 
>>> and the price was much better than some other options as well. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 12:56:10 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Laing. I do have a set of VO rims on a bike that I recently 
 acquired and like them so far. I've ridden on them throughout the summer 
 quite a bit. I like that they come in a polished finish but the highest 
 hole count is 36. I'm not sure how they will hold up just yet, but they 
 seem nice. Wish they did 'em in a 40h. I don't mind truing a wheel, and 
 have a truing stand, but I'd rather have a pro build the wheel. 

 On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 2:05:52 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> I almost always build my own wheels, but you cannot go wrong with 
> either Rich Lesnik (Rivendell / Hands On Wheels) or Peter White. I have 
> had 
> wheels from both, and they were flawless. Not local to you though, west 
> coast and east coast respectively.
>
> I use Velocity or Velo Orange rims; Phil Wood, White Industries, Paul, 
> Curtis Odom or classic Campagnolo hubs (Nuovo Record or Tipo); and 
> Wheelsmith (out of production but still out there) or Sapim spokes. Most 
> of 
> my wheels are now 40 and 48 spoke, but I do have quite a few 36 and even 
> a 
> couple 32s.
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
>
> On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 9:13:50 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>
>> I could use a recommendation for a good wheel builder. I've used 
>> prowheelbuilder.com in the past and have no complaints. Not sure how 
>> I landed on them. Just curious if there is another business that I 
>> should 
>> be looking into? I'm located in Indianapolis as well, and would prefer 
>> sending business to a local or at least midwest company if possible.  
>>
>> I'm looking for a set of 700c wheels for my Atlantis. I'm thinking 
>> I'll do velocity cliffhangers with a SON up front and a nice rear hub. 
>> The 
>> rear is not yet totally decided as I like quiet hubs but there are not 
>> many 
>> options in rim brake, 36-40h hubs these days. I've got an onyx silent 
>> hub 
>> on my crust and love it but they only go up to 32h and I'd prefer 36 or 
>> 40 
>> as I'm a big dude. Which is why I'm thinking about a white industry 
>> (loud 
>> as they come) rear hub in 36 or 40h. 
>>
>> Anyway. I'd like to hear about your preferred wheel builders. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Wheel Builder

[Jon B]

I have been happy with three lightweight wheels Peter White built for me.

With my first rear wheel (Mavic Open Pro rim), as I left the shop he said, 
"It will never need truing."  I was skeptical, but over 20,000 miles later, 
it has never been touched by a spoke wrench.

Jon Blum

On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 4:49:49 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:

> Thanks. I've heard of Sugar but didn't think of that, I'll look into them. 
>
> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 2:13:14 PM UTC-4 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I had several nice wheels over the years, including some Rich built. I 
>> have to recommend Sugar wheel works. I had a set of SimWorks Stand-alone 
>> rims (Velocity Cliffhanger) with CX ray spokes MI5 rear hub and Son front 
>> and they were the nicest build I’ve ever seen by far. Great to work with 
>> and the price was much better than some other options as well. 
>>
>> On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 12:56:10 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Laing. I do have a set of VO rims on a bike that I recently 
>>> acquired and like them so far. I've ridden on them throughout the summer 
>>> quite a bit. I like that they come in a polished finish but the highest 
>>> hole count is 36. I'm not sure how they will hold up just yet, but they 
>>> seem nice. Wish they did 'em in a 40h. I don't mind truing a wheel, and 
>>> have a truing stand, but I'd rather have a pro build the wheel. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 2:05:52 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>>
 I almost always build my own wheels, but you cannot go wrong with 
 either Rich Lesnik (Rivendell / Hands On Wheels) or Peter White. I have 
 had 
 wheels from both, and they were flawless. Not local to you though, west 
 coast and east coast respectively.

 I use Velocity or Velo Orange rims; Phil Wood, White Industries, Paul, 
 Curtis Odom or classic Campagnolo hubs (Nuovo Record or Tipo); and 
 Wheelsmith (out of production but still out there) or Sapim spokes. Most 
 of 
 my wheels are now 40 and 48 spoke, but I do have quite a few 36 and even a 
 couple 32s.

 Laing
 Delray Beach FL

 On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 9:13:50 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> I could use a recommendation for a good wheel builder. I've used 
> prowheelbuilder.com in the past and have no complaints. Not sure how 
> I landed on them. Just curious if there is another business that I should 
> be looking into? I'm located in Indianapolis as well, and would prefer 
> sending business to a local or at least midwest company if possible.  
>
> I'm looking for a set of 700c wheels for my Atlantis. I'm thinking 
> I'll do velocity cliffhangers with a SON up front and a nice rear hub. 
> The 
> rear is not yet totally decided as I like quiet hubs but there are not 
> many 
> options in rim brake, 36-40h hubs these days. I've got an onyx silent hub 
> on my crust and love it but they only go up to 32h and I'd prefer 36 or 
> 40 
> as I'm a big dude. Which is why I'm thinking about a white industry (loud 
> as they come) rear hub in 36 or 40h. 
>
> Anyway. I'd like to hear about your preferred wheel builders. 
>


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[RBW] Re: Wheel Builder

[J S]

Not close to you but I used Peter White on my last wheels and have been 
very pleased. He is meticulous. 

On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 7:49:49 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> Thanks. I've heard of Sugar but didn't think of that, I'll look into them. 
>
> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 2:13:14 PM UTC-4 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I had several nice wheels over the years, including some Rich built. I 
>> have to recommend Sugar wheel works. I had a set of SimWorks Stand-alone 
>> rims (Velocity Cliffhanger) with CX ray spokes MI5 rear hub and Son front 
>> and they were the nicest build I’ve ever seen by far. Great to work with 
>> and the price was much better than some other options as well. 
>>
>> On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 12:56:10 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Laing. I do have a set of VO rims on a bike that I recently 
>>> acquired and like them so far. I've ridden on them throughout the summer 
>>> quite a bit. I like that they come in a polished finish but the highest 
>>> hole count is 36. I'm not sure how they will hold up just yet, but they 
>>> seem nice. Wish they did 'em in a 40h. I don't mind truing a wheel, and 
>>> have a truing stand, but I'd rather have a pro build the wheel. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 2:05:52 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>>
 I almost always build my own wheels, but you cannot go wrong with 
 either Rich Lesnik (Rivendell / Hands On Wheels) or Peter White. I have 
 had 
 wheels from both, and they were flawless. Not local to you though, west 
 coast and east coast respectively.

 I use Velocity or Velo Orange rims; Phil Wood, White Industries, Paul, 
 Curtis Odom or classic Campagnolo hubs (Nuovo Record or Tipo); and 
 Wheelsmith (out of production but still out there) or Sapim spokes. Most 
 of 
 my wheels are now 40 and 48 spoke, but I do have quite a few 36 and even a 
 couple 32s.

 Laing
 Delray Beach FL

 On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 9:13:50 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> I could use a recommendation for a good wheel builder. I've used 
> prowheelbuilder.com in the past and have no complaints. Not sure how 
> I landed on them. Just curious if there is another business that I should 
> be looking into? I'm located in Indianapolis as well, and would prefer 
> sending business to a local or at least midwest company if possible.  
>
> I'm looking for a set of 700c wheels for my Atlantis. I'm thinking 
> I'll do velocity cliffhangers with a SON up front and a nice rear hub. 
> The 
> rear is not yet totally decided as I like quiet hubs but there are not 
> many 
> options in rim brake, 36-40h hubs these days. I've got an onyx silent hub 
> on my crust and love it but they only go up to 32h and I'd prefer 36 or 
> 40 
> as I'm a big dude. Which is why I'm thinking about a white industry (loud 
> as they come) rear hub in 36 or 40h. 
>
> Anyway. I'd like to hear about your preferred wheel builders. 
>


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[RBW] Re: Wheel Builder

[Josh C]

Thanks. I've heard of Sugar but didn't think of that, I'll look into them. 

On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 2:13:14 PM UTC-4 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> I had several nice wheels over the years, including some Rich built. I 
> have to recommend Sugar wheel works. I had a set of SimWorks Stand-alone 
> rims (Velocity Cliffhanger) with CX ray spokes MI5 rear hub and Son front 
> and they were the nicest build I’ve ever seen by far. Great to work with 
> and the price was much better than some other options as well. 
>
> On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 12:56:10 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>
>> Thanks Laing. I do have a set of VO rims on a bike that I recently 
>> acquired and like them so far. I've ridden on them throughout the summer 
>> quite a bit. I like that they come in a polished finish but the highest 
>> hole count is 36. I'm not sure how they will hold up just yet, but they 
>> seem nice. Wish they did 'em in a 40h. I don't mind truing a wheel, and 
>> have a truing stand, but I'd rather have a pro build the wheel. 
>>
>> On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 2:05:52 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> I almost always build my own wheels, but you cannot go wrong with either 
>>> Rich Lesnik (Rivendell / Hands On Wheels) or Peter White. I have had wheels 
>>> from both, and they were flawless. Not local to you though, west coast and 
>>> east coast respectively.
>>>
>>> I use Velocity or Velo Orange rims; Phil Wood, White Industries, Paul, 
>>> Curtis Odom or classic Campagnolo hubs (Nuovo Record or Tipo); and 
>>> Wheelsmith (out of production but still out there) or Sapim spokes. Most of 
>>> my wheels are now 40 and 48 spoke, but I do have quite a few 36 and even a 
>>> couple 32s.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>> Delray Beach FL
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 9:13:50 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 I could use a recommendation for a good wheel builder. I've used 
 prowheelbuilder.com in the past and have no complaints. Not sure how I 
 landed on them. Just curious if there is another business that I should be 
 looking into? I'm located in Indianapolis as well, and would prefer 
 sending 
 business to a local or at least midwest company if possible.  

 I'm looking for a set of 700c wheels for my Atlantis. I'm thinking I'll 
 do velocity cliffhangers with a SON up front and a nice rear hub. The rear 
 is not yet totally decided as I like quiet hubs but there are not many 
 options in rim brake, 36-40h hubs these days. I've got an onyx silent hub 
 on my crust and love it but they only go up to 32h and I'd prefer 36 or 40 
 as I'm a big dude. Which is why I'm thinking about a white industry (loud 
 as they come) rear hub in 36 or 40h. 

 Anyway. I'd like to hear about your preferred wheel builders. 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Wheel Builder

[Ryan Frahm]

I had several nice wheels over the years, including some Rich built. I have 
to recommend Sugar wheel works. I had a set of SimWorks Stand-alone rims 
(Velocity Cliffhanger) with CX ray spokes MI5 rear hub and Son front and 
they were the nicest build I’ve ever seen by far. Great to work with and 
the price was much better than some other options as well. 

On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 12:56:10 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:

> Thanks Laing. I do have a set of VO rims on a bike that I recently 
> acquired and like them so far. I've ridden on them throughout the summer 
> quite a bit. I like that they come in a polished finish but the highest 
> hole count is 36. I'm not sure how they will hold up just yet, but they 
> seem nice. Wish they did 'em in a 40h. I don't mind truing a wheel, and 
> have a truing stand, but I'd rather have a pro build the wheel. 
>
> On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 2:05:52 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>
>> I almost always build my own wheels, but you cannot go wrong with either 
>> Rich Lesnik (Rivendell / Hands On Wheels) or Peter White. I have had wheels 
>> from both, and they were flawless. Not local to you though, west coast and 
>> east coast respectively.
>>
>> I use Velocity or Velo Orange rims; Phil Wood, White Industries, Paul, 
>> Curtis Odom or classic Campagnolo hubs (Nuovo Record or Tipo); and 
>> Wheelsmith (out of production but still out there) or Sapim spokes. Most of 
>> my wheels are now 40 and 48 spoke, but I do have quite a few 36 and even a 
>> couple 32s.
>>
>> Laing
>> Delray Beach FL
>>
>> On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 9:13:50 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> I could use a recommendation for a good wheel builder. I've used 
>>> prowheelbuilder.com in the past and have no complaints. Not sure how I 
>>> landed on them. Just curious if there is another business that I should be 
>>> looking into? I'm located in Indianapolis as well, and would prefer sending 
>>> business to a local or at least midwest company if possible.  
>>>
>>> I'm looking for a set of 700c wheels for my Atlantis. I'm thinking I'll 
>>> do velocity cliffhangers with a SON up front and a nice rear hub. The rear 
>>> is not yet totally decided as I like quiet hubs but there are not many 
>>> options in rim brake, 36-40h hubs these days. I've got an onyx silent hub 
>>> on my crust and love it but they only go up to 32h and I'd prefer 36 or 40 
>>> as I'm a big dude. Which is why I'm thinking about a white industry (loud 
>>> as they come) rear hub in 36 or 40h. 
>>>
>>> Anyway. I'd like to hear about your preferred wheel builders. 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Wheel Builder

[Josh C]

Thanks Laing. I do have a set of VO rims on a bike that I recently acquired 
and like them so far. I've ridden on them throughout the summer quite a 
bit. I like that they come in a polished finish but the highest hole count 
is 36. I'm not sure how they will hold up just yet, but they seem nice. 
Wish they did 'em in a 40h. I don't mind truing a wheel, and have a truing 
stand, but I'd rather have a pro build the wheel. 

On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 2:05:52 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> I almost always build my own wheels, but you cannot go wrong with either 
> Rich Lesnik (Rivendell / Hands On Wheels) or Peter White. I have had wheels 
> from both, and they were flawless. Not local to you though, west coast and 
> east coast respectively.
>
> I use Velocity or Velo Orange rims; Phil Wood, White Industries, Paul, 
> Curtis Odom or classic Campagnolo hubs (Nuovo Record or Tipo); and 
> Wheelsmith (out of production but still out there) or Sapim spokes. Most of 
> my wheels are now 40 and 48 spoke, but I do have quite a few 36 and even a 
> couple 32s.
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
>
> On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 9:13:50 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>
>> I could use a recommendation for a good wheel builder. I've used 
>> prowheelbuilder.com in the past and have no complaints. Not sure how I 
>> landed on them. Just curious if there is another business that I should be 
>> looking into? I'm located in Indianapolis as well, and would prefer sending 
>> business to a local or at least midwest company if possible.  
>>
>> I'm looking for a set of 700c wheels for my Atlantis. I'm thinking I'll 
>> do velocity cliffhangers with a SON up front and a nice rear hub. The rear 
>> is not yet totally decided as I like quiet hubs but there are not many 
>> options in rim brake, 36-40h hubs these days. I've got an onyx silent hub 
>> on my crust and love it but they only go up to 32h and I'd prefer 36 or 40 
>> as I'm a big dude. Which is why I'm thinking about a white industry (loud 
>> as they come) rear hub in 36 or 40h. 
>>
>> Anyway. I'd like to hear about your preferred wheel builders. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Wheel Builder

[lconley]

I almost always build my own wheels, but you cannot go wrong with either 
Rich Lesnik (Rivendell / Hands On Wheels) or Peter White. I have had wheels 
from both, and they were flawless. Not local to you though, west coast and 
east coast respectively.

I use Velocity or Velo Orange rims; Phil Wood, White Industries, Paul, 
Curtis Odom or classic Campagnolo hubs (Nuovo Record or Tipo); and 
Wheelsmith (out of production but still out there) or Sapim spokes. Most of 
my wheels are now 40 and 48 spoke, but I do have quite a few 36 and even a 
couple 32s.

Laing
Delray Beach FL

On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 9:13:50 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> I could use a recommendation for a good wheel builder. I've used 
> prowheelbuilder.com in the past and have no complaints. Not sure how I 
> landed on them. Just curious if there is another business that I should be 
> looking into? I'm located in Indianapolis as well, and would prefer sending 
> business to a local or at least midwest company if possible.  
>
> I'm looking for a set of 700c wheels for my Atlantis. I'm thinking I'll do 
> velocity cliffhangers with a SON up front and a nice rear hub. The rear is 
> not yet totally decided as I like quiet hubs but there are not many options 
> in rim brake, 36-40h hubs these days. I've got an onyx silent hub on my 
> crust and love it but they only go up to 32h and I'd prefer 36 or 40 as I'm 
> a big dude. Which is why I'm thinking about a white industry (loud as they 
> come) rear hub in 36 or 40h. 
>
> Anyway. I'd like to hear about your preferred wheel builders. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wheel Builder

[Josh C]

John: I'm glad to hear that you are enjoying them. By all accounts they are 
the industry standard for a touring type hub. Hard to beat on paper. I've 
just not experienced them personally. I've had cranks, bottom brackets and 
headsets and they've all been great. 

On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 12:17:20 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> Mike: thanks. I love the onyx hub as well. Wish it came in 36h. I do most 
> of my bike work but I'm just not interested in building wheels. I'd rather 
> leave that to an experienced pro. 
>
> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 12:51:57 PM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> The outlier here. I just built myself some WI hubs— after years of XTR 
>> silence I rather enjoy making a little noise. 
>>
>> And they’re so pretty. 
>>
>> Jock
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 12, 2023 at 9:41 AM Mike  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi--I recently splurged on an Onyx for my new Sam, and it is kind of 
>>> life changing (my *riding* life anyway) how awesome it is. Which is 
>>> good and bad, as now my other bicycles with very quiet vintage Deore hubs 
>>> seem "loud".
>>> In terms of finding a local wheel builder--maybe not exactly the answer 
>>> you're looking for, but I taught myself to lace wheels a number of years 
>>> ago and it was really not nearly as difficult as I initially thought it 
>>> would be.  Each wheel build gets easier than the previous, and it has now 
>>> become meditative even. And its way cheaper as you can shop around for your 
>>> own parts, either buying direct from manufacturer or finding stuff on 
>>> eBay.  I feel like a lot of folks here gravitate towards nice components.  
>>> For wheels in particular: nice hubs, nice rims, quality spokes (in exactly 
>>> the correct length)...I've found that gets you like 75% of the way towards 
>>> building a strong and true wheel.  
>>>
>>> Happy and safe (and quiet) riding to all this weekend,
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 8:10:01 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 Bones, 
 Thanks. That's good to know. 
 On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 8:07:11 AM UTC-4 Bones wrote:

> I do not have a DT 240 but I do have most of the other ones listed: 
> Silver, Deore, MI5, Onyx. I'm not a big fan of loud hubs and I found my 
> MI5 
> obnoxiously loud; I was having difficultly having conversations with my 
> riding friends while coasting. I took the hub apart and applied a 
> generous 
> amount of Phil's Tenacious Oil and it now sounds like a different hub. 
> Much 
> much quieter and quite tolerable.
>
> Bones
>
> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 6:59:43 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>
>> The noise of the White Ind Mi5 does concern me to some degree. 
>> Curious does anyone have both a DT 240 and a White ind. Mi5 to compare 
>> the 
>> noise level? I've got a DT 240 on a bike and would rather nothing louder 
>> than that. 
>>
>> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 6:56:26 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> @Johnny, Keith: Thanks for the replies. I've had several wheel sets 
>>> built by Rich at hands on wheels. I may go that route and shoot him an 
>>> email. I'm pretty sure the wheels that I'm currently riding are from 
>>> Rich. 
>>>
>>> @Keith, Will, Garth: Not sure about the silver hubs. It'd think that 
>>> if it were simply out of stock, it'd say "out of stock" just like half 
>>> of 
>>> the items on the Riv site. I had a silver hub on a Clem a few years ago 
>>> and 
>>> liked it just fine. I was thinking of having the rear built with a 
>>> Silver 
>>> 36h but then didn't see em on the site. Odd. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 4:39:37 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>>>
 There's little choice for quiet hubs so if you need 36 you may as 
 well go with Deore's. For myself having a quiet hub is non-negotiable, 
 so 
 I've gone back to using threaded FW hubs for my future builds. The 
 irony is 
 that for the 7 cogs I use there's a better selection of freewheels 
 these 
 days than cassettes. Rich will build you fine wheels. I had him build 
 a set 
 of Alex DM24 rims with Deore/Suntour hubs for me but I've never used 
 them. 
 I also have 2 sets of Joe Young wheels. (He formerly built wheels for 
 Riv 
 way beck when before Rich.) He's in Granbury Texas, 
 youngwheels.com I think. I still ride the first set he built in 
 1999, and of course, they're as straight as an arrow. 

 There's many things that Riv has that aren't on the menu as I think 
 they're busy enough as it is and don't have much time for extensive 
 upkeep 
 of the website in totality. The "new" 7sp cassette hub was supposedly 
 coming sometime, but as for noise I'd be surprised if it was quiet. 
 Shimano 
 is by their own words 

Re: [RBW] Re: Wheel Builder

[Josh C]

Mike: thanks. I love the onyx hub as well. Wish it came in 36h. I do most 
of my bike work but I'm just not interested in building wheels. I'd rather 
leave that to an experienced pro. 

On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 12:51:57 PM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote:

> The outlier here. I just built myself some WI hubs— after years of XTR 
> silence I rather enjoy making a little noise. 
>
> And they’re so pretty. 
>
> Jock
>
> On Sat, Aug 12, 2023 at 9:41 AM Mike  wrote:
>
>> Hi--I recently splurged on an Onyx for my new Sam, and it is kind of life 
>> changing (my *riding* life anyway) how awesome it is. Which is good and 
>> bad, as now my other bicycles with very quiet vintage Deore hubs seem 
>> "loud".
>> In terms of finding a local wheel builder--maybe not exactly the answer 
>> you're looking for, but I taught myself to lace wheels a number of years 
>> ago and it was really not nearly as difficult as I initially thought it 
>> would be.  Each wheel build gets easier than the previous, and it has now 
>> become meditative even. And its way cheaper as you can shop around for your 
>> own parts, either buying direct from manufacturer or finding stuff on 
>> eBay.  I feel like a lot of folks here gravitate towards nice components.  
>> For wheels in particular: nice hubs, nice rims, quality spokes (in exactly 
>> the correct length)...I've found that gets you like 75% of the way towards 
>> building a strong and true wheel.  
>>
>> Happy and safe (and quiet) riding to all this weekend,
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 8:10:01 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> Bones, 
>>> Thanks. That's good to know. 
>>> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 8:07:11 AM UTC-4 Bones wrote:
>>>
 I do not have a DT 240 but I do have most of the other ones listed: 
 Silver, Deore, MI5, Onyx. I'm not a big fan of loud hubs and I found my 
 MI5 
 obnoxiously loud; I was having difficultly having conversations with my 
 riding friends while coasting. I took the hub apart and applied a generous 
 amount of Phil's Tenacious Oil and it now sounds like a different hub. 
 Much 
 much quieter and quite tolerable.

 Bones

 On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 6:59:43 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> The noise of the White Ind Mi5 does concern me to some degree. Curious 
> does anyone have both a DT 240 and a White ind. Mi5 to compare the noise 
> level? I've got a DT 240 on a bike and would rather nothing louder than 
> that. 
>
> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 6:56:26 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>
>> @Johnny, Keith: Thanks for the replies. I've had several wheel sets 
>> built by Rich at hands on wheels. I may go that route and shoot him an 
>> email. I'm pretty sure the wheels that I'm currently riding are from 
>> Rich. 
>>
>> @Keith, Will, Garth: Not sure about the silver hubs. It'd think that 
>> if it were simply out of stock, it'd say "out of stock" just like half 
>> of 
>> the items on the Riv site. I had a silver hub on a Clem a few years ago 
>> and 
>> liked it just fine. I was thinking of having the rear built with a 
>> Silver 
>> 36h but then didn't see em on the site. Odd. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 4:39:37 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> There's little choice for quiet hubs so if you need 36 you may as 
>>> well go with Deore's. For myself having a quiet hub is non-negotiable, 
>>> so 
>>> I've gone back to using threaded FW hubs for my future builds. The 
>>> irony is 
>>> that for the 7 cogs I use there's a better selection of freewheels 
>>> these 
>>> days than cassettes. Rich will build you fine wheels. I had him build a 
>>> set 
>>> of Alex DM24 rims with Deore/Suntour hubs for me but I've never used 
>>> them. 
>>> I also have 2 sets of Joe Young wheels. (He formerly built wheels for 
>>> Riv 
>>> way beck when before Rich.) He's in Granbury Texas, 
>>> youngwheels.com I think. I still ride the first set he built in 
>>> 1999, and of course, they're as straight as an arrow. 
>>>
>>> There's many things that Riv has that aren't on the menu as I think 
>>> they're busy enough as it is and don't have much time for extensive 
>>> upkeep 
>>> of the website in totality. The "new" 7sp cassette hub was supposedly 
>>> coming sometime, but as for noise I'd be surprised if it was quiet. 
>>> Shimano 
>>> is by their own words ditching most of their road and mtb groups in 
>>> favor 
>>> of the deathly black "Ican'tremember" line of bike parts that supposed 
>>> can 
>>> be used for road or mtb use. Of course, it was Shimano who messed 
>>> things up 
>>> by dividing them in the first place with different cable pulls. 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Wheel Builder

[John Dewey]

The outlier here. I just built myself some WI hubs— after years of XTR
silence I rather enjoy making a little noise.

And they’re so pretty.

Jock

On Sat, Aug 12, 2023 at 9:41 AM Mike  wrote:

> Hi--I recently splurged on an Onyx for my new Sam, and it is kind of life
> changing (my *riding* life anyway) how awesome it is. Which is good and
> bad, as now my other bicycles with very quiet vintage Deore hubs seem
> "loud".
> In terms of finding a local wheel builder--maybe not exactly the answer
> you're looking for, but I taught myself to lace wheels a number of years
> ago and it was really not nearly as difficult as I initially thought it
> would be.  Each wheel build gets easier than the previous, and it has now
> become meditative even. And its way cheaper as you can shop around for your
> own parts, either buying direct from manufacturer or finding stuff on
> eBay.  I feel like a lot of folks here gravitate towards nice components.
> For wheels in particular: nice hubs, nice rims, quality spokes (in exactly
> the correct length)...I've found that gets you like 75% of the way towards
> building a strong and true wheel.
>
> Happy and safe (and quiet) riding to all this weekend,
>
> Mike
>
>
> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 8:10:01 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>
>> Bones,
>> Thanks. That's good to know.
>> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 8:07:11 AM UTC-4 Bones wrote:
>>
>>> I do not have a DT 240 but I do have most of the other ones listed:
>>> Silver, Deore, MI5, Onyx. I'm not a big fan of loud hubs and I found my MI5
>>> obnoxiously loud; I was having difficultly having conversations with my
>>> riding friends while coasting. I took the hub apart and applied a generous
>>> amount of Phil's Tenacious Oil and it now sounds like a different hub. Much
>>> much quieter and quite tolerable.
>>>
>>> Bones
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 6:59:43 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 The noise of the White Ind Mi5 does concern me to some degree. Curious
 does anyone have both a DT 240 and a White ind. Mi5 to compare the noise
 level? I've got a DT 240 on a bike and would rather nothing louder than
 that.

 On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 6:56:26 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> @Johnny, Keith: Thanks for the replies. I've had several wheel sets
> built by Rich at hands on wheels. I may go that route and shoot him an
> email. I'm pretty sure the wheels that I'm currently riding are from Rich.
>
> @Keith, Will, Garth: Not sure about the silver hubs. It'd think that
> if it were simply out of stock, it'd say "out of stock" just like half of
> the items on the Riv site. I had a silver hub on a Clem a few years ago 
> and
> liked it just fine. I was thinking of having the rear built with a Silver
> 36h but then didn't see em on the site. Odd.
>
>
>
> On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 4:39:37 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>
>> There's little choice for quiet hubs so if you need 36 you may as
>> well go with Deore's. For myself having a quiet hub is non-negotiable, so
>> I've gone back to using threaded FW hubs for my future builds. The irony 
>> is
>> that for the 7 cogs I use there's a better selection of freewheels these
>> days than cassettes. Rich will build you fine wheels. I had him build a 
>> set
>> of Alex DM24 rims with Deore/Suntour hubs for me but I've never used 
>> them.
>> I also have 2 sets of Joe Young wheels. (He formerly built wheels for Riv
>> way beck when before Rich.) He's in Granbury Texas,
>> youngwheels.com I think. I still ride the first set he built in
>> 1999, and of course, they're as straight as an arrow.
>>
>> There's many things that Riv has that aren't on the menu as I think
>> they're busy enough as it is and don't have much time for extensive 
>> upkeep
>> of the website in totality. The "new" 7sp cassette hub was supposedly
>> coming sometime, but as for noise I'd be surprised if it was quiet. 
>> Shimano
>> is by their own words ditching most of their road and mtb groups in favor
>> of the deathly black "Ican'tremember" line of bike parts that supposed 
>> can
>> be used for road or mtb use. Of course, it was Shimano who messed things 
>> up
>> by dividing them in the first place with different cable pulls.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Wheel Builder

[Mike]

Hi--I recently splurged on an Onyx for my new Sam, and it is kind of life 
changing (my *riding* life anyway) how awesome it is. Which is good and 
bad, as now my other bicycles with very quiet vintage Deore hubs seem 
"loud".
In terms of finding a local wheel builder--maybe not exactly the answer 
you're looking for, but I taught myself to lace wheels a number of years 
ago and it was really not nearly as difficult as I initially thought it 
would be.  Each wheel build gets easier than the previous, and it has now 
become meditative even. And its way cheaper as you can shop around for your 
own parts, either buying direct from manufacturer or finding stuff on eBay. 
 I feel like a lot of folks here gravitate towards nice components.  For 
wheels in particular: nice hubs, nice rims, quality spokes (in exactly the 
correct length)...I've found that gets you like 75% of the way towards 
building a strong and true wheel.  

Happy and safe (and quiet) riding to all this weekend,

Mike


On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 8:10:01 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> Bones, 
> Thanks. That's good to know. 
> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 8:07:11 AM UTC-4 Bones wrote:
>
>> I do not have a DT 240 but I do have most of the other ones listed: 
>> Silver, Deore, MI5, Onyx. I'm not a big fan of loud hubs and I found my MI5 
>> obnoxiously loud; I was having difficultly having conversations with my 
>> riding friends while coasting. I took the hub apart and applied a generous 
>> amount of Phil's Tenacious Oil and it now sounds like a different hub. Much 
>> much quieter and quite tolerable.
>>
>> Bones
>>
>> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 6:59:43 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> The noise of the White Ind Mi5 does concern me to some degree. Curious 
>>> does anyone have both a DT 240 and a White ind. Mi5 to compare the noise 
>>> level? I've got a DT 240 on a bike and would rather nothing louder than 
>>> that. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 6:56:26 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 @Johnny, Keith: Thanks for the replies. I've had several wheel sets 
 built by Rich at hands on wheels. I may go that route and shoot him an 
 email. I'm pretty sure the wheels that I'm currently riding are from Rich. 

 @Keith, Will, Garth: Not sure about the silver hubs. It'd think that if 
 it were simply out of stock, it'd say "out of stock" just like half of the 
 items on the Riv site. I had a silver hub on a Clem a few years ago and 
 liked it just fine. I was thinking of having the rear built with a Silver 
 36h but then didn't see em on the site. Odd. 



 On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 4:39:37 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> There's little choice for quiet hubs so if you need 36 you may as well 
> go with Deore's. For myself having a quiet hub is non-negotiable, so I've 
> gone back to using threaded FW hubs for my future builds. The irony is 
> that 
> for the 7 cogs I use there's a better selection of freewheels these days 
> than cassettes. Rich will build you fine wheels. I had him build a set of 
> Alex DM24 rims with Deore/Suntour hubs for me but I've never used them. I 
> also have 2 sets of Joe Young wheels. (He formerly built wheels for Riv 
> way beck when before Rich.) He's in Granbury Texas, 
> youngwheels.com I think. I still ride the first set he built in 1999, 
> and of course, they're as straight as an arrow. 
>
> There's many things that Riv has that aren't on the menu as I think 
> they're busy enough as it is and don't have much time for extensive 
> upkeep 
> of the website in totality. The "new" 7sp cassette hub was supposedly 
> coming sometime, but as for noise I'd be surprised if it was quiet. 
> Shimano 
> is by their own words ditching most of their road and mtb groups in favor 
> of the deathly black "Ican'tremember" line of bike parts that supposed 
> can 
> be used for road or mtb use. Of course, it was Shimano who messed things 
> up 
> by dividing them in the first place with different cable pulls. 
>


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Re: [RBW] Re: Wheel Builder

[Josh C]

Bones, 
Thanks. That's good to know. 
On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 8:07:11 AM UTC-4 Bones wrote:

> I do not have a DT 240 but I do have most of the other ones listed: 
> Silver, Deore, MI5, Onyx. I'm not a big fan of loud hubs and I found my MI5 
> obnoxiously loud; I was having difficultly having conversations with my 
> riding friends while coasting. I took the hub apart and applied a generous 
> amount of Phil's Tenacious Oil and it now sounds like a different hub. Much 
> much quieter and quite tolerable.
>
> Bones
>
> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 6:59:43 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>
>> The noise of the White Ind Mi5 does concern me to some degree. Curious 
>> does anyone have both a DT 240 and a White ind. Mi5 to compare the noise 
>> level? I've got a DT 240 on a bike and would rather nothing louder than 
>> that. 
>>
>> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 6:56:26 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> @Johnny, Keith: Thanks for the replies. I've had several wheel sets 
>>> built by Rich at hands on wheels. I may go that route and shoot him an 
>>> email. I'm pretty sure the wheels that I'm currently riding are from Rich. 
>>>
>>> @Keith, Will, Garth: Not sure about the silver hubs. It'd think that if 
>>> it were simply out of stock, it'd say "out of stock" just like half of the 
>>> items on the Riv site. I had a silver hub on a Clem a few years ago and 
>>> liked it just fine. I was thinking of having the rear built with a Silver 
>>> 36h but then didn't see em on the site. Odd. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 4:39:37 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>>>
 There's little choice for quiet hubs so if you need 36 you may as well 
 go with Deore's. For myself having a quiet hub is non-negotiable, so I've 
 gone back to using threaded FW hubs for my future builds. The irony is 
 that 
 for the 7 cogs I use there's a better selection of freewheels these days 
 than cassettes. Rich will build you fine wheels. I had him build a set of 
 Alex DM24 rims with Deore/Suntour hubs for me but I've never used them. I 
 also have 2 sets of Joe Young wheels. (He formerly built wheels for Riv 
 way beck when before Rich.) He's in Granbury Texas, youngwheels.com 
 I think. I still ride the first set he built in 1999, and of course, 
 they're as straight as an arrow. 

 There's many things that Riv has that aren't on the menu as I think 
 they're busy enough as it is and don't have much time for extensive upkeep 
 of the website in totality. The "new" 7sp cassette hub was supposedly 
 coming sometime, but as for noise I'd be surprised if it was quiet. 
 Shimano 
 is by their own words ditching most of their road and mtb groups in favor 
 of the deathly black "Ican'tremember" line of bike parts that supposed can 
 be used for road or mtb use. Of course, it was Shimano who messed things 
 up 
 by dividing them in the first place with different cable pulls. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wheel Builder

[Bones]

I do not have a DT 240 but I do have most of the other ones listed: Silver, 
Deore, MI5, Onyx. I'm not a big fan of loud hubs and I found my MI5 
obnoxiously loud; I was having difficultly having conversations with my 
riding friends while coasting. I took the hub apart and applied a generous 
amount of Phil's Tenacious Oil and it now sounds like a different hub. Much 
much quieter and quite tolerable.

Bones

On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 6:59:43 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> The noise of the White Ind Mi5 does concern me to some degree. Curious 
> does anyone have both a DT 240 and a White ind. Mi5 to compare the noise 
> level? I've got a DT 240 on a bike and would rather nothing louder than 
> that. 
>
> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 6:56:26 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>
>> @Johnny, Keith: Thanks for the replies. I've had several wheel sets built 
>> by Rich at hands on wheels. I may go that route and shoot him an email. I'm 
>> pretty sure the wheels that I'm currently riding are from Rich. 
>>
>> @Keith, Will, Garth: Not sure about the silver hubs. It'd think that if 
>> it were simply out of stock, it'd say "out of stock" just like half of the 
>> items on the Riv site. I had a silver hub on a Clem a few years ago and 
>> liked it just fine. I was thinking of having the rear built with a Silver 
>> 36h but then didn't see em on the site. Odd. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 4:39:37 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> There's little choice for quiet hubs so if you need 36 you may as well 
>>> go with Deore's. For myself having a quiet hub is non-negotiable, so I've 
>>> gone back to using threaded FW hubs for my future builds. The irony is that 
>>> for the 7 cogs I use there's a better selection of freewheels these days 
>>> than cassettes. Rich will build you fine wheels. I had him build a set of 
>>> Alex DM24 rims with Deore/Suntour hubs for me but I've never used them. I 
>>> also have 2 sets of Joe Young wheels. (He formerly built wheels for Riv 
>>> way beck when before Rich.) He's in Granbury Texas, youngwheels.com 
>>> I think. I still ride the first set he built in 1999, and of course, 
>>> they're as straight as an arrow. 
>>>
>>> There's many things that Riv has that aren't on the menu as I think 
>>> they're busy enough as it is and don't have much time for extensive upkeep 
>>> of the website in totality. The "new" 7sp cassette hub was supposedly 
>>> coming sometime, but as for noise I'd be surprised if it was quiet. Shimano 
>>> is by their own words ditching most of their road and mtb groups in favor 
>>> of the deathly black "Ican'tremember" line of bike parts that supposed can 
>>> be used for road or mtb use. Of course, it was Shimano who messed things up 
>>> by dividing them in the first place with different cable pulls. 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Wheel Builder

[Josh C]

The noise of the White Ind Mi5 does concern me to some degree. Curious does 
anyone have both a DT 240 and a White ind. Mi5 to compare the noise level? 
I've got a DT 240 on a bike and would rather nothing louder than that. 

On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 6:56:26 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> @Johnny, Keith: Thanks for the replies. I've had several wheel sets built 
> by Rich at hands on wheels. I may go that route and shoot him an email. I'm 
> pretty sure the wheels that I'm currently riding are from Rich. 
>
> @Keith, Will, Garth: Not sure about the silver hubs. It'd think that if it 
> were simply out of stock, it'd say "out of stock" just like half of the 
> items on the Riv site. I had a silver hub on a Clem a few years ago and 
> liked it just fine. I was thinking of having the rear built with a Silver 
> 36h but then didn't see em on the site. Odd. 
>
>
>
> On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 4:39:37 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>
>> There's little choice for quiet hubs so if you need 36 you may as well go 
>> with Deore's. For myself having a quiet hub is non-negotiable, so I've gone 
>> back to using threaded FW hubs for my future builds. The irony is that for 
>> the 7 cogs I use there's a better selection of freewheels these days than 
>> cassettes. Rich will build you fine wheels. I had him build a set of Alex 
>> DM24 rims with Deore/Suntour hubs for me but I've never used them. I also 
>> have 2 sets of Joe Young wheels. (He formerly built wheels for Riv way 
>> beck when before Rich.) He's in Granbury Texas, youngwheels.com I think. 
>> I still ride the first set he built in 1999, and of course, they're as 
>> straight as an arrow. 
>>
>> There's many things that Riv has that aren't on the menu as I think 
>> they're busy enough as it is and don't have much time for extensive upkeep 
>> of the website in totality. The "new" 7sp cassette hub was supposedly 
>> coming sometime, but as for noise I'd be surprised if it was quiet. Shimano 
>> is by their own words ditching most of their road and mtb groups in favor 
>> of the deathly black "Ican'tremember" line of bike parts that supposed can 
>> be used for road or mtb use. Of course, it was Shimano who messed things up 
>> by dividing them in the first place with different cable pulls. 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wheel Builder

[Josh C]

@Johnny, Keith: Thanks for the replies. I've had several wheel sets built 
by Rich at hands on wheels. I may go that route and shoot him an email. I'm 
pretty sure the wheels that I'm currently riding are from Rich. 

@Keith, Will, Garth: Not sure about the silver hubs. It'd think that if it 
were simply out of stock, it'd say "out of stock" just like half of the 
items on the Riv site. I had a silver hub on a Clem a few years ago and 
liked it just fine. I was thinking of having the rear built with a Silver 
36h but then didn't see em on the site. Odd. 



On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 4:39:37 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> There's little choice for quiet hubs so if you need 36 you may as well go 
> with Deore's. For myself having a quiet hub is non-negotiable, so I've gone 
> back to using threaded FW hubs for my future builds. The irony is that for 
> the 7 cogs I use there's a better selection of freewheels these days than 
> cassettes. Rich will build you fine wheels. I had him build a set of Alex 
> DM24 rims with Deore/Suntour hubs for me but I've never used them. I also 
> have 2 sets of Joe Young wheels. (He formerly built wheels for Riv way 
> beck when before Rich.) He's in Granbury Texas, youngwheels.com I think. 
> I still ride the first set he built in 1999, and of course, they're as 
> straight as an arrow. 
>
> There's many things that Riv has that aren't on the menu as I think 
> they're busy enough as it is and don't have much time for extensive upkeep 
> of the website in totality. The "new" 7sp cassette hub was supposedly 
> coming sometime, but as for noise I'd be surprised if it was quiet. Shimano 
> is by their own words ditching most of their road and mtb groups in favor 
> of the deathly black "Ican'tremember" line of bike parts that supposed can 
> be used for road or mtb use. Of course, it was Shimano who messed things up 
> by dividing them in the first place with different cable pulls. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wheel Builder

[Garth]

There's little choice for quiet hubs so if you need 36 you may as well go 
with Deore's. For myself having a quiet hub is non-negotiable, so I've gone 
back to using threaded FW hubs for my future builds. The irony is that for 
the 7 cogs I use there's a better selection of freewheels these days than 
cassettes. Rich will build you fine wheels. I had him build a set of Alex 
DM24 rims with Deore/Suntour hubs for me but I've never used them. I also 
have 2 sets of Joe Young wheels. (He formerly built wheels for Riv way 
beck when before Rich.) He's in Granbury Texas, youngwheels.com I think. I 
still ride the first set he built in 1999, and of course, they're as 
straight as an arrow. 

There's many things that Riv has that aren't on the menu as I think they're 
busy enough as it is and don't have much time for extensive upkeep of the 
website in totality. The "new" 7sp cassette hub was supposedly coming 
sometime, but as for noise I'd be surprised if it was quiet. Shimano is by 
their own words ditching most of their road and mtb groups in favor of the 
deathly black "Ican'tremember" line of bike parts that supposed can be used 
for road or mtb use. Of course, it was Shimano who messed things up by 
dividing them in the first place with different cable pulls. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wheel Builder

[Will M]

@Josh: Rich Lesnick built up a Velocity Dyad rim around a Silver 135mm hub 
for me in January or February this year.  No mention at all about the hub 
being an endangered species, and we talked at length.  (Assume supply 
woes?)  

@Keith: Concur about Rich being "really fun" to work with... and this 
Google group is filled with anecdotes over the last 15 years attesting to 
the robustness of his wheel builds.  He built a 32-spoke Mavic Open Pro 
wheel for me that I have been unable to knock out of true in over a decade 
(and 1000s of miles of pavement).  

Will M

On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 1:14:41 PM UTC-4 Keith P. wrote:

> I had some wheels built earlier this year with a Son front and a Silver 
> rear hub. 
>
> I think they might just be out of stock? 爛
>
> I’ve been really happy it.
>
> (Rich was really fun to work with btw)
>
> k.
>
> On Aug 11, 2023, at 8:56 AM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>
> I don't remember what happened to them or why they were discontinued. I 
> know that not too too long ago RIch had some stock that he would use on 
> some of his build to order stuff if you wanted but it would have to be done 
> through him AND I have no idea if they still exist. No 40 but they did come 
> in 36 for the rear.
>
>
>
> On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 11:33:20 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>
>> Also, oddly enough Silver hubs are gone from the Riv site. Anyone know 
>> the story there? 
>>
>> On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 11:26:15 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Victor. 
>>>
>>> Johnny, 
>>> I've had loads of Deore hubs and currently have them on my Atlantis 
>>> wheel set. They are a good option just not on the same level as Onyx or 
>>> White Ind.
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 10:27:00 AM UTC-4 vhans...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Gravy Wheels, 

 King Kog or '

 Dustinthewind bicycle repair. 

 On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 7:04 AM Johnny Alien  
 wrote:

> I don't know any midwest wheelbuilders to suggest but I can comment on 
> the rear hub. I got some wheels build by Rich at Rivendell and we paired 
> the Deore hubs with the Cliffhangers. He likes the hubs a bunch and they 
> have been great for me. Very quiet. No need to spend a ton to get a 
> really 
> well made quiet hub.
>
> On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 9:13:50 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>
>> I could use a recommendation for a good wheel builder. I've used 
>> prowheelbuilder.com in the past and have no complaints. Not sure how 
>> I landed on them. Just curious if there is another business that I 
>> should 
>> be looking into? I'm located in Indianapolis as well, and would prefer 
>> sending business to a local or at least midwest company if possible.  
>>
>> I'm looking for a set of 700c wheels for my Atlantis. I'm thinking 
>> I'll do velocity cliffhangers with a SON up front and a nice rear hub. 
>> The 
>> rear is not yet totally decided as I like quiet hubs but there are not 
>> many 
>> options in rim brake, 36-40h hubs these days. I've got an onyx silent 
>> hub 
>> on my crust and love it but they only go up to 32h and I'd prefer 36 or 
>> 40 
>> as I'm a big dude. Which is why I'm thinking about a white industry 
>> (loud 
>> as they come) rear hub in 36 or 40h. 
>>
>> Anyway. I'd like to hear about your preferred wheel builders. 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Wheel Builder

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I had some wheels built earlier this year with a Son front and a Silver rear hub. I think they might just be out of stock? 爛I’ve been really happy it.(Rich was really fun to work with btw)k.On Aug 11, 2023, at 8:56 AM, Johnny Alien  wrote:I don't remember what happened to them or why they were discontinued. I know that not too too long ago RIch had some stock that he would use on some of his build to order stuff if you wanted but it would have to be done through him AND I have no idea if they still exist. No 40 but they did come in 36 for the rear.On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 11:33:20 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:Also, oddly enough Silver hubs are gone from the Riv site. Anyone know the story there? On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 11:26:15 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:Thanks Victor. Johnny, I've had loads of Deore hubs and currently have them on my Atlantis wheel set. They are a good option just not on the same level as Onyx or White Ind.On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 10:27:00 AM UTC-4 vhans...@gmail.com wrote:Gravy Wheels, King Kog or 'Dustinthewind bicycle repair. On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 7:04 AM Johnny Alien  wrote:I don't know any midwest wheelbuilders to suggest but I can comment on the rear hub. I got some wheels build by Rich at Rivendell and we paired the Deore hubs with the Cliffhangers. He likes the hubs a bunch and they have been great for me. Very quiet. No need to spend a ton to get a really well made quiet hub.On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 9:13:50 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:I could use a recommendation for a good wheel builder. I've used prowheelbuilder.com in the past and have no complaints. Not sure how I landed on them. Just curious if there is another business that I should be looking into? I'm located in Indianapolis as well, and would prefer sending business to a local or at least midwest company if possible.  I'm looking for a set of 700c wheels for my Atlantis. I'm thinking I'll do velocity cliffhangers with a SON up front and a nice rear hub. The rear is not yet totally decided as I like quiet hubs but there are not many options in rim brake, 36-40h hubs these days. I've got an onyx silent hub on my crust and love it but they only go up to 32h and I'd prefer 36 or 40 as I'm a big dude. Which is why I'm thinking about a white industry (loud as they come) rear hub in 36 or 40h. Anyway. I'd like to hear about your preferred wheel builders. 



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Re: [RBW] Re: Wheel Builder

[Johnny Alien]

I don't remember what happened to them or why they were discontinued. I 
know that not too too long ago RIch had some stock that he would use on 
some of his build to order stuff if you wanted but it would have to be done 
through him AND I have no idea if they still exist. No 40 but they did come 
in 36 for the rear.

On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 11:33:20 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> Also, oddly enough Silver hubs are gone from the Riv site. Anyone know the 
> story there? 
>
> On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 11:26:15 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>
>> Thanks Victor. 
>>
>> Johnny, 
>> I've had loads of Deore hubs and currently have them on my Atlantis wheel 
>> set. They are a good option just not on the same level as Onyx or White Ind.
>>
>> On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 10:27:00 AM UTC-4 vhans...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Gravy Wheels, 
>>>
>>> King Kog or '
>>>
>>> Dustinthewind bicycle repair. 
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 7:04 AM Johnny Alien  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I don't know any midwest wheelbuilders to suggest but I can comment on 
 the rear hub. I got some wheels build by Rich at Rivendell and we paired 
 the Deore hubs with the Cliffhangers. He likes the hubs a bunch and they 
 have been great for me. Very quiet. No need to spend a ton to get a really 
 well made quiet hub.

 On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 9:13:50 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> I could use a recommendation for a good wheel builder. I've used 
> prowheelbuilder.com in the past and have no complaints. Not sure how 
> I landed on them. Just curious if there is another business that I should 
> be looking into? I'm located in Indianapolis as well, and would prefer 
> sending business to a local or at least midwest company if possible.  
>
> I'm looking for a set of 700c wheels for my Atlantis. I'm thinking 
> I'll do velocity cliffhangers with a SON up front and a nice rear hub. 
> The 
> rear is not yet totally decided as I like quiet hubs but there are not 
> many 
> options in rim brake, 36-40h hubs these days. I've got an onyx silent hub 
> on my crust and love it but they only go up to 32h and I'd prefer 36 or 
> 40 
> as I'm a big dude. Which is why I'm thinking about a white industry (loud 
> as they come) rear hub in 36 or 40h. 
>
> Anyway. I'd like to hear about your preferred wheel builders. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Wheel Builder

[Josh C]

Also, oddly enough Silver hubs are gone from the Riv site. Anyone know the 
story there? 

On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 11:26:15 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> Thanks Victor. 
>
> Johnny, 
> I've had loads of Deore hubs and currently have them on my Atlantis wheel 
> set. They are a good option just not on the same level as Onyx or White Ind.
>
> On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 10:27:00 AM UTC-4 vhans...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Gravy Wheels, 
>>
>> King Kog or '
>>
>> Dustinthewind bicycle repair. 
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 7:04 AM Johnny Alien  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know any midwest wheelbuilders to suggest but I can comment on 
>>> the rear hub. I got some wheels build by Rich at Rivendell and we paired 
>>> the Deore hubs with the Cliffhangers. He likes the hubs a bunch and they 
>>> have been great for me. Very quiet. No need to spend a ton to get a really 
>>> well made quiet hub.
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 9:13:50 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 I could use a recommendation for a good wheel builder. I've used 
 prowheelbuilder.com in the past and have no complaints. Not sure how I 
 landed on them. Just curious if there is another business that I should be 
 looking into? I'm located in Indianapolis as well, and would prefer 
 sending 
 business to a local or at least midwest company if possible.  

 I'm looking for a set of 700c wheels for my Atlantis. I'm thinking I'll 
 do velocity cliffhangers with a SON up front and a nice rear hub. The rear 
 is not yet totally decided as I like quiet hubs but there are not many 
 options in rim brake, 36-40h hubs these days. I've got an onyx silent hub 
 on my crust and love it but they only go up to 32h and I'd prefer 36 or 40 
 as I'm a big dude. Which is why I'm thinking about a white industry (loud 
 as they come) rear hub in 36 or 40h. 

 Anyway. I'd like to hear about your preferred wheel builders. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wheel Builder

[Josh C]

Thanks Victor. 

Johnny, 
I've had loads of Deore hubs and currently have them on my Atlantis wheel 
set. They are a good option just not on the same level as Onyx or White Ind.

On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 10:27:00 AM UTC-4 vhans...@gmail.com wrote:

> Gravy Wheels, 
>
> King Kog or '
>
> Dustinthewind bicycle repair. 
>
> On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 7:04 AM Johnny Alien  wrote:
>
>> I don't know any midwest wheelbuilders to suggest but I can comment on 
>> the rear hub. I got some wheels build by Rich at Rivendell and we paired 
>> the Deore hubs with the Cliffhangers. He likes the hubs a bunch and they 
>> have been great for me. Very quiet. No need to spend a ton to get a really 
>> well made quiet hub.
>>
>> On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 9:13:50 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> I could use a recommendation for a good wheel builder. I've used 
>>> prowheelbuilder.com in the past and have no complaints. Not sure how I 
>>> landed on them. Just curious if there is another business that I should be 
>>> looking into? I'm located in Indianapolis as well, and would prefer sending 
>>> business to a local or at least midwest company if possible.  
>>>
>>> I'm looking for a set of 700c wheels for my Atlantis. I'm thinking I'll 
>>> do velocity cliffhangers with a SON up front and a nice rear hub. The rear 
>>> is not yet totally decided as I like quiet hubs but there are not many 
>>> options in rim brake, 36-40h hubs these days. I've got an onyx silent hub 
>>> on my crust and love it but they only go up to 32h and I'd prefer 36 or 40 
>>> as I'm a big dude. Which is why I'm thinking about a white industry (loud 
>>> as they come) rear hub in 36 or 40h. 
>>>
>>> Anyway. I'd like to hear about your preferred wheel builders. 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Wheel Builder

[Victor Hanson]

Gravy Wheels,

King Kog or '

Dustinthewind bicycle repair.

On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 7:04 AM Johnny Alien 
wrote:

> I don't know any midwest wheelbuilders to suggest but I can comment on the
> rear hub. I got some wheels build by Rich at Rivendell and we paired the
> Deore hubs with the Cliffhangers. He likes the hubs a bunch and they have
> been great for me. Very quiet. No need to spend a ton to get a really well
> made quiet hub.
>
> On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 9:13:50 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>
>> I could use a recommendation for a good wheel builder. I've used
>> prowheelbuilder.com in the past and have no complaints. Not sure how I
>> landed on them. Just curious if there is another business that I should be
>> looking into? I'm located in Indianapolis as well, and would prefer sending
>> business to a local or at least midwest company if possible.
>>
>> I'm looking for a set of 700c wheels for my Atlantis. I'm thinking I'll
>> do velocity cliffhangers with a SON up front and a nice rear hub. The rear
>> is not yet totally decided as I like quiet hubs but there are not many
>> options in rim brake, 36-40h hubs these days. I've got an onyx silent hub
>> on my crust and love it but they only go up to 32h and I'd prefer 36 or 40
>> as I'm a big dude. Which is why I'm thinking about a white industry (loud
>> as they come) rear hub in 36 or 40h.
>>
>> Anyway. I'd like to hear about your preferred wheel builders.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Wheel Builder

[Johnny Alien]

I don't know any midwest wheelbuilders to suggest but I can comment on the 
rear hub. I got some wheels build by Rich at Rivendell and we paired the 
Deore hubs with the Cliffhangers. He likes the hubs a bunch and they have 
been great for me. Very quiet. No need to spend a ton to get a really well 
made quiet hub.

On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 9:13:50 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> I could use a recommendation for a good wheel builder. I've used 
> prowheelbuilder.com in the past and have no complaints. Not sure how I 
> landed on them. Just curious if there is another business that I should be 
> looking into? I'm located in Indianapolis as well, and would prefer sending 
> business to a local or at least midwest company if possible.  
>
> I'm looking for a set of 700c wheels for my Atlantis. I'm thinking I'll do 
> velocity cliffhangers with a SON up front and a nice rear hub. The rear is 
> not yet totally decided as I like quiet hubs but there are not many options 
> in rim brake, 36-40h hubs these days. I've got an onyx silent hub on my 
> crust and love it but they only go up to 32h and I'd prefer 36 or 40 as I'm 
> a big dude. Which is why I'm thinking about a white industry (loud as they 
> come) rear hub in 36 or 40h. 
>
> Anyway. I'd like to hear about your preferred wheel builders. 
>

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