[RBW] Re: Sackville Handlebar bag with Nitto support

[alan lavine]

Thanks to all who responded with useful information. The bag is now sold.
Alan

On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 9:21:13 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> This bag came our around 2010 as the Sackville BarSack. It sold new for 
> $135. The Nitto F-15 rack was sold separately for $70. 
>
> These janky screengrabs are the best I can get through the Wayback Machine 
> at Archive.org. 
>
>
> https://web.archive.org/web/20100615073109/http://www.rivbike.com:80/products/show/sackville-barsack/20-208
>
> [image: Screenshot 2023-05-08 at 9.18.03 AM.png]
> [image: Screenshot 2023-05-08 at 9.20.51 AM.png]
>
> [image: Screenshot 2023-05-08 at 9.17.28 AM.png]
>
> On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 10:37:27 PM UTC-4 Matt Beecher wrote:
>
>> I think these came with a nitto F15 rack.  Try searching for that, as 
>> several have sold here.  
>>
>> On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 6:39:06 PM UTC-5 alan lavine wrote:
>>
>>> I've decided to sell this barely used bag, which I've had for a number 
>>> of years without finding it an appropriate home. But I can't find out what 
>>> I paid for it, the original Riv price or even one for sale on the internet, 
>>> so not sure how to price it. Does anyone remember what they sold for? Thanks
>>> Alan NYC
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Handlebar bag with Nitto support

[Matt Beecher]

I think these came with a nitto F15 rack.  Try searching for that, as 
several have sold here.  

On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 6:39:06 PM UTC-5 alan lavine wrote:

> I've decided to sell this barely used bag, which I've had for a number of 
> years without finding it an appropriate home. But I can't find out what I 
> paid for it, the original Riv price or even one for sale on the internet, 
> so not sure how to price it. Does anyone remember what they sold for? Thanks
> Alan NYC
>

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Question?

[Collin A]

Ben,

Answers below:
1. Mine was not squeaky, but it sounds like it quiets down later.
2. I got used to it eventually, but it helps to have softer things in the 
bag that your thighs can move into (rather than something super hard and 
stiff). Alternatively, having a marks rack (or similar to angle the bag 
slightly away from the seatpost resolves the thigh rub if it really bugs 
you.
3. Like Patrick, I like my connections tight, which is why I replaced all 
of the leather straps with voile nano straps of a bright orange color. I 
used the stock straps for a while and noticed they do stretch a little with 
age, so if you wanna keep the leather, just give it a few weeks of tugging 
and stretching and no new hole would be needed (unless the hole is like 2 
cm too short).

Enjoy the bag, I love my bag boy royal quite a lot and it works super well 
thanks to the boxy shape for groceries, work stuff, camping, etc. But my 
wife stole it so I am currently sackville-less!

Collin in Sactown
On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 5:17:09 PM UTC-7 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello!
> I just received a beautiful royal blue Slimsucker today from Riv 
> and...well...I don't know about it. I have three issues that are making me 
> think about contacting Riv for a return.
>
> 1. It's really squeaky...I'm assuming the brand new leather will soften 
> and chill out a bit and be quiet eventually. Have other people noticed this 
> when their bags are new? I have two x-small bags that I have been using and 
> I can't remember whether they squeaked or not.
>
> 2. I wasn't fully prepared for the thigh rub...I put the bag on my bike, 
> put my computer, a couple books, laptop charger, etc... in it and rode up 
> the block and back and I'm not a fan of that feeling of the bag touching 
> the backs of my thighs. Has anyone else been rubbed the wrong way (sorry) 
> at first but kind of stopped noticing it after a while?
>
> 3. The leather strap to secure it to my seatpostI need the third hole 
> to be *just* a little closer. If I use the second hole, it's not tight 
> and the bag swings front to back. The leather used on these bags is 
> excellent so I know that I could probably punch a new hole in the strap (if 
> I keep the bag), but does anyone have any suggestions that I might not be 
> thinking of? 
>
> This stinks...I do like the bag and I think I could deal with the things 
> that bug me...but part of me wants to reach out and set up a return before 
> I take it on a full ride and get it dirty. Any thoughts the group might 
> have would be most appreciated. 
>
> Thanks,
> Ben 
>

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Question?

[Ben Mihovk]

Hey Joe!
Thanks for the response...really appreciate it. 

1. Good to know...I don't need silence, I was just taken aback by the 
squeaks!
2. I think thigh rub will be less of an issue once I ride more than a 
block...not going to worry too much about this.
3. Good idea! I have some of those velcro straps! My front fender was 
velcro strapped to the back one when it shipped from Riv. 


Thanks again!
Ben

On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 8:46:56 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Ben,
>
> 1. Squeaky. Yes, they soften up and get quieter but I can't promise 
> silence. For me part of The Saddlebag Thing is you know it's there, I'm not 
> sure I've ever had one that completely disappeared as a sound on the bike. 
>
> 2. Thigh rub. Sometimes I notice it, most times I don't. I've never hated 
> it..if you do then The Saddlebag Thing may not be for you. It's definitely 
> not for everybody. 
>
> 3. One thing I do hate is that confounded leather seatpost strap, the 
> holes are never in the right place and it rubs the paint on my nice pointy 
> seatlug. I replaced mine seen here with a Velcro™ (hook-and-loop) strap 
> pilfered from a Makeshifter bar bag. 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 5:17:09 PM UTC-7 bjmi...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello!
>> I just received a beautiful royal blue Slimsucker today from Riv 
>> and...well...I don't know about it. I have three issues that are making me 
>> think about contacting Riv for a return.
>>
>> 1. It's really squeaky...I'm assuming the brand new leather will soften 
>> and chill out a bit and be quiet eventually. Have other people noticed this 
>> when their bags are new? I have two x-small bags that I have been using and 
>> I can't remember whether they squeaked or not.
>>
>> 2. I wasn't fully prepared for the thigh rub...I put the bag on my bike, 
>> put my computer, a couple books, laptop charger, etc... in it and rode up 
>> the block and back and I'm not a fan of that feeling of the bag touching 
>> the backs of my thighs. Has anyone else been rubbed the wrong way (sorry) 
>> at first but kind of stopped noticing it after a while?
>>
>> 3. The leather strap to secure it to my seatpostI need the third hole 
>> to be *just* a little closer. If I use the second hole, it's not tight 
>> and the bag swings front to back. The leather used on these bags is 
>> excellent so I know that I could probably punch a new hole in the strap (if 
>> I keep the bag), but does anyone have any suggestions that I might not be 
>> thinking of? 
>>
>> This stinks...I do like the bag and I think I could deal with the things 
>> that bug me...but part of me wants to reach out and set up a return before 
>> I take it on a full ride and get it dirty. Any thoughts the group might 
>> have would be most appreciated. 
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ben 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sackville Sacks are a good deal

[Pam Bikes]

I got some grey back a bike bags.  The bungee is hard to do on a large 
rack/wheelsize but doable on my 26 in wheel w/rack.  I still had to pull 
hard to cinch the buckle.  It's easy to take off but harder to put on.  
Bags are great.  They swallow so much stuff!

On Saturday, May 1, 2021 at 5:29:58 AM UTC-4 Howard Ramsay wrote:

> There are ROYAL Sackville Backabike bags available now.  Spencer said in 
> his email of 04/26, "Yes, hope to have some olive backabike bags in about 
> 4-6 weeks."[image: Back o Backabike Bag.jpg][image: Will Rack.jpg]
> The back of the Backabike Bags are being modified with bungee cord and a 
> hook. Will Keating is using a prototype TIG welded rear rack from Taiwan.
> " The rear rack is a sample of one we'll hopefully have in stock later 
> this year. It's like the Nittos, but tig welded instead of brazed and a lot 
> more affordable." - Will
> All the best,
> Howard.
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 1:45:17 PM UTC-6 bjmi...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I love all the small hand-made bag companies in this thread! I still 
>> would rather get Sackville, personally, but they're all very nice.
>>
>> In a perfect world, Artifact Bags (right here in Omaha!) would make 
>> bicycle bags, but I've e-mailed and asked in person and am always told, 
>> "no." Oh well. 
>>
>> Ben 
>>
>> On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 1:05:24 PM UTC-6 chase@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Just wanted to throw into the mix, that I recently had a beautiful 
>>> custom saddlebag made by Waxwing in Vermont. www.waxwingbagco.com
>>> Everything about the experience was awesome and the bag came out great!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 11:53:27 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Huh...I got a different response from Spencer, but I think you can put 
 his together with Will's and see what's happening.

 Spencer told me, and I paraphrase, I don't have an answer because it 
 could be a month, it could be three months. He was very polite, 
 though...hard to capture that in my paraphrase.

 Ben "not going to buy panniers from Swift...probably not...maybe..." in 
 Omaha 

 On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 6:45 AM Howard Ramsay  wrote:

> I asked this week. Reply here ->  Hi Howard,
>
> We're waiting on a rear rack to be developed that will determine how 
> the bags attach. We're working on 'em!
> -will
>
> On Monday, February 8, 2021 at 2:14:24 PM UTC-6 Gary L wrote:
>
>> I love sackvilles too, and they are a spectacular deal, but if you 
>> want to go all in on handmade bags, check out Fogg bags. They are made 
>> by a 
>> great couple in southern France. I have one and it is exquisite.
>> https://www.foggspecialistbags.com/
>>
>> And I too am waiting for the backabikes to be back in stock.
>>
>> On Monday, February 8, 2021 at 11:43:24 AM UTC-5 Berkeleyan wrote:
>>
>>> Indeed, I've carried my Scotch, as well as my beer, in a grid-grey 
>>> Sackville bag, and enjoyed both the riding and the imbibing. And my 
>>> Scottish friends all agree.
>>>
>>> - Andrew, Berkeley
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 8, 2021 at 7:23:30 AM UTC-8 Edwin W wrote:
>>>
 Especially when you compare them to some alternatives, like this 
 $745 Scotch bag!
 https://www.westleyrichards.com/us/scotch-bag-in-forest-green

 Enjoying flat, grabby, and jumbo grabby sacks,

 Edwin

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sackville Sacks are a good deal

[Ben Mihovk]

I love all the small hand-made bag companies in this thread! I still would 
rather get Sackville, personally, but they're all very nice.

In a perfect world, Artifact Bags (right here in Omaha!) would make bicycle 
bags, but I've e-mailed and asked in person and am always told, "no." Oh 
well. 

Ben 

On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 1:05:24 PM UTC-6 chase@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Just wanted to throw into the mix, that I recently had a beautiful custom 
> saddlebag made by Waxwing in Vermont. www.waxwingbagco.com
> Everything about the experience was awesome and the bag came out great!
>
> On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 11:53:27 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Huh...I got a different response from Spencer, but I think you can put 
>> his together with Will's and see what's happening.
>>
>> Spencer told me, and I paraphrase, I don't have an answer because it 
>> could be a month, it could be three months. He was very polite, 
>> though...hard to capture that in my paraphrase.
>>
>> Ben "not going to buy panniers from Swift...probably not...maybe..." in 
>> Omaha 
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 6:45 AM Howard Ramsay  wrote:
>>
>>> I asked this week. Reply here ->  Hi Howard,
>>>
>>> We're waiting on a rear rack to be developed that will determine how the 
>>> bags attach. We're working on 'em!
>>> -will
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 8, 2021 at 2:14:24 PM UTC-6 Gary L wrote:
>>>
 I love sackvilles too, and they are a spectacular deal, but if you want 
 to go all in on handmade bags, check out Fogg bags. They are made by a 
 great couple in southern France. I have one and it is exquisite.
 https://www.foggspecialistbags.com/

 And I too am waiting for the backabikes to be back in stock.

 On Monday, February 8, 2021 at 11:43:24 AM UTC-5 Berkeleyan wrote:

> Indeed, I've carried my Scotch, as well as my beer, in a grid-grey 
> Sackville bag, and enjoyed both the riding and the imbibing. And my 
> Scottish friends all agree.
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
>
> On Monday, February 8, 2021 at 7:23:30 AM UTC-8 Edwin W wrote:
>
>> Especially when you compare them to some alternatives, like this $745 
>> Scotch bag!
>> https://www.westleyrichards.com/us/scotch-bag-in-forest-green
>>
>> Enjoying flat, grabby, and jumbo grabby sacks,
>>
>> Edwin
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sackville Sacks are a good deal

[Chase Granoff]

Just wanted to throw into the mix, that I recently had a beautiful custom 
saddlebag made by Waxwing in Vermont. www.waxwingbagco.com
Everything about the experience was awesome and the bag came out great!

On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 11:53:27 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Huh...I got a different response from Spencer, but I think you can put his 
> together with Will's and see what's happening.
>
> Spencer told me, and I paraphrase, I don't have an answer because it could 
> be a month, it could be three months. He was very polite, though...hard to 
> capture that in my paraphrase.
>
> Ben "not going to buy panniers from Swift...probably not...maybe..." in 
> Omaha 
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 6:45 AM Howard Ramsay  wrote:
>
>> I asked this week. Reply here ->  Hi Howard,
>>
>> We're waiting on a rear rack to be developed that will determine how the 
>> bags attach. We're working on 'em!
>> -will
>>
>> On Monday, February 8, 2021 at 2:14:24 PM UTC-6 Gary L wrote:
>>
>>> I love sackvilles too, and they are a spectacular deal, but if you want 
>>> to go all in on handmade bags, check out Fogg bags. They are made by a 
>>> great couple in southern France. I have one and it is exquisite.
>>> https://www.foggspecialistbags.com/
>>>
>>> And I too am waiting for the backabikes to be back in stock.
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 8, 2021 at 11:43:24 AM UTC-5 Berkeleyan wrote:
>>>
 Indeed, I've carried my Scotch, as well as my beer, in a grid-grey 
 Sackville bag, and enjoyed both the riding and the imbibing. And my 
 Scottish friends all agree.

 - Andrew, Berkeley

 On Monday, February 8, 2021 at 7:23:30 AM UTC-8 Edwin W wrote:

> Especially when you compare them to some alternatives, like this $745 
> Scotch bag!
> https://www.westleyrichards.com/us/scotch-bag-in-forest-green
>
> Enjoying flat, grabby, and jumbo grabby sacks,
>
> Edwin
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sackville Sacks are a good deal

[Ben Mihovk]

Huh...I got a different response from Spencer, but I think you can put his
together with Will's and see what's happening.

Spencer told me, and I paraphrase, I don't have an answer because it could
be a month, it could be three months. He was very polite, though...hard to
capture that in my paraphrase.

Ben "not going to buy panniers from Swift...probably not...maybe..." in
Omaha

On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 6:45 AM Howard Ramsay  wrote:

> I asked this week. Reply here ->  Hi Howard,
>
> We're waiting on a rear rack to be developed that will determine how the
> bags attach. We're working on 'em!
> -will
>
> On Monday, February 8, 2021 at 2:14:24 PM UTC-6 Gary L wrote:
>
>> I love sackvilles too, and they are a spectacular deal, but if you want
>> to go all in on handmade bags, check out Fogg bags. They are made by a
>> great couple in southern France. I have one and it is exquisite.
>> https://www.foggspecialistbags.com/
>>
>> And I too am waiting for the backabikes to be back in stock.
>>
>> On Monday, February 8, 2021 at 11:43:24 AM UTC-5 Berkeleyan wrote:
>>
>>> Indeed, I've carried my Scotch, as well as my beer, in a grid-grey
>>> Sackville bag, and enjoyed both the riding and the imbibing. And my
>>> Scottish friends all agree.
>>>
>>> - Andrew, Berkeley
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 8, 2021 at 7:23:30 AM UTC-8 Edwin W wrote:
>>>
 Especially when you compare them to some alternatives, like this $745
 Scotch bag!
 https://www.westleyrichards.com/us/scotch-bag-in-forest-green

 Enjoying flat, grabby, and jumbo grabby sacks,

 Edwin

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Sacks are a good deal

[Howard Ramsay]

I asked this week. Reply here ->  Hi Howard,

We're waiting on a rear rack to be developed that will determine how the 
bags attach. We're working on 'em!
-will

On Monday, February 8, 2021 at 2:14:24 PM UTC-6 Gary L wrote:

> I love sackvilles too, and they are a spectacular deal, but if you want to 
> go all in on handmade bags, check out Fogg bags. They are made by a great 
> couple in southern France. I have one and it is exquisite.
> https://www.foggspecialistbags.com/
>
> And I too am waiting for the backabikes to be back in stock.
>
> On Monday, February 8, 2021 at 11:43:24 AM UTC-5 Berkeleyan wrote:
>
>> Indeed, I've carried my Scotch, as well as my beer, in a grid-grey 
>> Sackville bag, and enjoyed both the riding and the imbibing. And my 
>> Scottish friends all agree.
>>
>> - Andrew, Berkeley
>>
>> On Monday, February 8, 2021 at 7:23:30 AM UTC-8 Edwin W wrote:
>>
>>> Especially when you compare them to some alternatives, like this $745 
>>> Scotch bag!
>>> https://www.westleyrichards.com/us/scotch-bag-in-forest-green
>>>
>>> Enjoying flat, grabby, and jumbo grabby sacks,
>>>
>>> Edwin
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Sacks are a good deal

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I love sackvilles too, and they are a spectacular deal, but if you want to 
go all in on handmade bags, check out Fogg bags. They are made by a great 
couple in southern France. I have one and it is exquisite.
https://www.foggspecialistbags.com/

And I too am waiting for the backabikes to be back in stock.

On Monday, February 8, 2021 at 11:43:24 AM UTC-5 Berkeleyan wrote:

> Indeed, I've carried my Scotch, as well as my beer, in a grid-grey 
> Sackville bag, and enjoyed both the riding and the imbibing. And my 
> Scottish friends all agree.
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
>
> On Monday, February 8, 2021 at 7:23:30 AM UTC-8 Edwin W wrote:
>
>> Especially when you compare them to some alternatives, like this $745 
>> Scotch bag!
>> https://www.westleyrichards.com/us/scotch-bag-in-forest-green
>>
>> Enjoying flat, grabby, and jumbo grabby sacks,
>>
>> Edwin
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Sacks are a good deal

[Berkeleyan]

Indeed, I've carried my Scotch, as well as my beer, in a grid-grey 
Sackville bag, and enjoyed both the riding and the imbibing. And my 
Scottish friends all agree.

- Andrew, Berkeley

On Monday, February 8, 2021 at 7:23:30 AM UTC-8 Edwin W wrote:

> Especially when you compare them to some alternatives, like this $745 
> Scotch bag!
> https://www.westleyrichards.com/us/scotch-bag-in-forest-green
>
> Enjoying flat, grabby, and jumbo grabby sacks,
>
> Edwin
>

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Sacks are a good deal

[Ben Mihovk]

No doubt! 

I adore the handmade bags that some other really cool companies put out 
(particularly Swift Industries), but the Sackville stuff is (to me) better 
looking overall and unquestionably a better value. 

I just wish the Backabike bags would come back soon...the longer they 
remain out of stock, the more reasonable $400 for a pair of Swift panniers 
seems. 

Ben

On Monday, February 8, 2021 at 9:23:30 AM UTC-6 Edwin W wrote:

> Especially when you compare them to some alternatives, like this $745 
> Scotch bag!
> https://www.westleyrichards.com/us/scotch-bag-in-forest-green
>
> Enjoying flat, grabby, and jumbo grabby sacks,
>
> Edwin
>

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Frame Bag?

[Joe Bernard]

Here's the link to Roman's bikes on the Staff page. I've always admired his 
"make it work exactly how I want" vibe. 

https://www.rivbike.com/pages/romans-staff-bikes

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 1:59:42 PM UTC-8 Wyatt wrote:

> Ah, good to know! Thanks.
>
> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 3:40:34 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Roman is into them and sewed his own for a couple bikes. I think there 
>> was some discussion of doing them as a Riv product but he's not there 
>> anymore, not sure if the idea got very far. 
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 1:28:19 PM UTC-8 Wyatt wrote:
>>
>>> I seem to remember a Sackville frame bag being teased awhile back. As I 
>>> recall, not a full frame bag, but something like a half-frame bag that 
>>> would run the length of the top tube. Can't find any evidence of it, 
>>> though. Am I imagining things or is something like this in the pipeline? 
>>> Would love to know more details if so.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Frame Bag?

[Collin A]

You could see if Riv's fabric could be used by a custom bag maker? 

This guy does waxed canvas, but it's not the same quality as the Sackville 
material:
https://www.cyclecatsdesign.com/ 

Collin in Sacramento 

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 1:59:42 PM UTC-8 Wyatt wrote:

> Ah, good to know! Thanks.
>
> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 3:40:34 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Roman is into them and sewed his own for a couple bikes. I think there 
>> was some discussion of doing them as a Riv product but he's not there 
>> anymore, not sure if the idea got very far. 
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 1:28:19 PM UTC-8 Wyatt wrote:
>>
>>> I seem to remember a Sackville frame bag being teased awhile back. As I 
>>> recall, not a full frame bag, but something like a half-frame bag that 
>>> would run the length of the top tube. Can't find any evidence of it, 
>>> though. Am I imagining things or is something like this in the pipeline? 
>>> Would love to know more details if so.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Frame Bag?

[Wyatt]

Ah, good to know! Thanks.

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 3:40:34 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Roman is into them and sewed his own for a couple bikes. I think there was 
> some discussion of doing them as a Riv product but he's not there anymore, 
> not sure if the idea got very far. 
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 1:28:19 PM UTC-8 Wyatt wrote:
>
>> I seem to remember a Sackville frame bag being teased awhile back. As I 
>> recall, not a full frame bag, but something like a half-frame bag that 
>> would run the length of the top tube. Can't find any evidence of it, 
>> though. Am I imagining things or is something like this in the pipeline? 
>> Would love to know more details if so.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Frame Bag?

[Joe Bernard]

Roman is into them and sewed his own for a couple bikes. I think there was 
some discussion of doing them as a Riv product but he's not there anymore, 
not sure if the idea got very far. 


On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 1:28:19 PM UTC-8 Wyatt wrote:

> I seem to remember a Sackville frame bag being teased awhile back. As I 
> recall, not a full frame bag, but something like a half-frame bag that 
> would run the length of the top tube. Can't find any evidence of it, 
> though. Am I imagining things or is something like this in the pipeline? 
> Would love to know more details if so.

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Medium capacity

[Mike Godwin]

I'm impressed, but I recognize your priorities:  3 bottles of wine over 
other goods. :)) And what will one do with a quart of mayo?  I bought a 
10-12 oz squeeze bottle of organic mayo from whole foods for car camping 
trips 5 months ago. Just tossed it Sunday after a trip to Death Valley this 
weekend because my ice ran out and ice chest items seemed warm. 

Mike SLO CA, enjoying a tall bottle of Figueroa Mountain Lizard Mouth 
Imperial India Pale Ale.

On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 2:12:02 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> The usual poor photo, but not for lack of trying. Point is that I am once 
> again surprised and pleased at the Medium's capacity. I just carried home 3 
> bottles of a surprisingly good but cheap ($8 on sale) Aregentinian Malbec, 
> a half-gallon of milk, a quart of vegan mayo, toothpaste, and 2 pint 
> packages of ready-made salad. I could have easily fit, instead of the 
> half-gallon, a gallon of milk and a half-gallon of real mayo and had some 
> room in the main compartment to spare. The side pockets are 1/2 to 3/4 
> filled with bulky tube with sealant and generous ride kit. (Vegan mayo and 
> half-gal milk limit because Orthodox Christmas fast begins in a week.)
>
> This easily expands to the full volume, 23 liter of the Camper Longflap, 
> and the expanded volume is usable, while the Camper Longflap's is far less 
> so, at least without slow and careful packing. The Camper LF might carry a 
> bulky jacket inside the expanded flap more easily than strapping it to the 
> Sackville's loops, but all-in-all, the Sackville is a better, that is more 
> useful for carrying. Of course, it's a higher-market product, too. Another 
> perspective: The Medium can carry as much as or even a bit more than a 
> single Ortlieb Rollerback pannier with neck extended.
>
> And it leaves at least a generous inch of clearance over the 50 mm 
> fenders, which are themselves generously situated above the 40 mm tires.
>
> The disadvantage of this , at least for my bike, is that they interfere 
> with and deflect the rear brake cable, so that the rear brake does not 
> perform as well (it works well enough nonetheless) and that the cable will 
> eventually wear the contact area (but I daresay only after a long while). 
>
> Still and all, once I get my rack, I will as always over 30 years, go back 
> to panniers.
>
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>
> ---
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sackville quality

[Patrick Moore]

True about sourcing, and the leather and canvas are fine, if not as good as
before. At any rate, once again, I am happy. I ought never to have sold my
first one. I *will *keep this one!

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 4:01 PM Mark Roland  wrote:

> The material sourcing probably changed, almost inevitable over time these
> days. Also, there are significant variations in the canvas "feel" based on
> color. This was noted some time ago either on the blagh or in the
> descriptions. The blue was stiffest, the gray (not the light grid gray) was
> floppiest. Brown and olive at the time were in the middle somewhere. No
> idea where it all stands now. I imagine the leather will get more supple
> with use, and it will all be fine.
>
> On Friday, November 6, 2020 at 5:50:53 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Thinking more clearly, I have to say that my perception is right. Much
>> more recently, about 2 years ago, I owned and used well a second hand,
>> first-gen Large Saddlesack, and yes, I recall the the canvas being thicker
>> and the straps being more supple; no "rough graininess" on the straps that
>> cinch flap to bottom buckles.
>>
>> FWIW, I've used all varieties of Carridice Nelsons, Campers, and Juniors,
>> and I've used Adam and Hoos Baggins, not to mention other makers' bags, so
>> I have a fair overview of leather and canvas types for saddlebags.
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 3:45 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> I just got a very good deal on an unused, recent-vintage Sackville
>>> Saddlesack Medium, and I'm quite happy with it, but having owned and
>>> extensively used one some 6-7 years ago before I shortsightedly sold it, I
>>> compared the new one as observed with the old one as in memory, but with
>>> pretty distinct memories, and I have to ask if the later ones were as good
>>> as the originals? From what I recall, the leather straps are very certainly
>>> not as good as before, and the material, while nice, is thinner. Again,
>>> observing the late one, distinct memories of the original one.
>>>
>>> Again, I'm not complaining because the price was very right (and the
>>> seller was very prompt; many thanks). But I'd have to judge that the
>>> quality of canvas and leather is less now than before.
>>>
>>> Do others see this?
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Patrick Moore
>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>
>>>
>>
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>>
>> ---
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[RBW] Re: Sackville quality

[Mark Roland]

The material sourcing probably changed, almost inevitable over time these 
days. Also, there are significant variations in the canvas "feel" based on 
color. This was noted some time ago either on the blagh or in the 
descriptions. The blue was stiffest, the gray (not the light grid gray) was 
floppiest. Brown and olive at the time were in the middle somewhere. No 
idea where it all stands now. I imagine the leather will get more supple 
with use, and it will all be fine.

On Friday, November 6, 2020 at 5:50:53 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Thinking more clearly, I have to say that my perception is right. Much 
> more recently, about 2 years ago, I owned and used well a second hand, 
> first-gen Large Saddlesack, and yes, I recall the the canvas being thicker 
> and the straps being more supple; no "rough graininess" on the straps that 
> cinch flap to bottom buckles.
>
> FWIW, I've used all varieties of Carridice Nelsons, Campers, and Juniors, 
> and I've used Adam and Hoos Baggins, not to mention other makers' bags, so 
> I have a fair overview of leather and canvas types for saddlebags.
>
> On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 3:45 PM Patrick Moore  > wrote:
>
>> I just got a very good deal on an unused, recent-vintage Sackville 
>> Saddlesack Medium, and I'm quite happy with it, but having owned and 
>> extensively used one some 6-7 years ago before I shortsightedly sold it, I 
>> compared the new one as observed with the old one as in memory, but with 
>> pretty distinct memories, and I have to ask if the later ones were as good 
>> as the originals? From what I recall, the leather straps are very certainly 
>> not as good as before, and the material, while nice, is thinner. Again, 
>> observing the late one, distinct memories of the original one.
>>
>> Again, I'm not complaining because the price was very right (and the 
>> seller was very prompt; many thanks). But I'd have to judge that the 
>> quality of canvas and leather is less now than before.
>>
>> Do others see this?
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
>>
>
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[RBW] Re: Sackville quality

[Patrick Moore]

Thinking more clearly, I have to say that my perception is right. Much more
recently, about 2 years ago, I owned and used well a second hand, first-gen
Large Saddlesack, and yes, I recall the the canvas being thicker and the
straps being more supple; no "rough graininess" on the straps that cinch
flap to bottom buckles.

FWIW, I've used all varieties of Carridice Nelsons, Campers, and Juniors,
and I've used Adam and Hoos Baggins, not to mention other makers' bags, so
I have a fair overview of leather and canvas types for saddlebags.

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 3:45 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I just got a very good deal on an unused, recent-vintage Sackville
> Saddlesack Medium, and I'm quite happy with it, but having owned and
> extensively used one some 6-7 years ago before I shortsightedly sold it, I
> compared the new one as observed with the old one as in memory, but with
> pretty distinct memories, and I have to ask if the later ones were as good
> as the originals? From what I recall, the leather straps are very certainly
> not as good as before, and the material, while nice, is thinner. Again,
> observing the late one, distinct memories of the original one.
>
> Again, I'm not complaining because the price was very right (and the
> seller was very prompt; many thanks). But I'd have to judge that the
> quality of canvas and leather is less now than before.
>
> Do others see this?
>
> --
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Banana Sack

['Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Jamin — That’s a very distinguished looking combination on the gunmetal 
Expedition. Nice!
David

On Monday, September 14, 2020 at 11:54:18 AM UTC-7, jamin orrall wrote:
>
> Mine came a couple days ago and it is perfect. Works great on the front or 
> back.
>
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[RBW] Re: Sackville Banana Sack

[dougP]

Me too. So hard to really see sizes in photos but the comments here plus 
the video were compelling.  Is this what's called viral marketing?

dougP

On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 5:59:29 PM UTC-7, Carla Waugh wrote:
>
> I received my Sackville Banana Sack in light gray grid. It's made 
> beautifullyand I adore the wooden toggle for closure it's perfect for my 
> needs. Thanks Riv!

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Banana Sack

[Ash]

This thread finally pushed me over the edge and made order one!

On Monday, 14 September 2020 at 07:27:17 UTC-7 Dorothy C wrote:

> If you have Moose style bars they fit nicely in the triangulation, too. 
>
> On Monday, September 14, 2020 at 7:25:10 AM UTC-7 Dorothy C wrote:
>
>> On the Riv product page there is a clip showing what you can fit in a 
>> Bananasax
>>
>> https://vimeo.com/271338447
>>
>> On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 3:02:20 PM UTC-7 dougP wrote:
>>
>>> Got it.  Thanks.  Just wanted to make sure it wasn't much wider than the 
>>> saddle.  That looks like it'll work quite well.
>>>
>>> doug
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 2:51:25 PM UTC-7, Roberta wrote:


 Yes   You understand it correctly. I took some pics. Mine is mounted 
 and smushed. Still you’ll see the shape and rough dimensions. You can 
 easily overstuff if needed. 


 On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 5:03:06 PM UTC-4, dougP wrote:
>
> So the 9" is from the back opening flap to the front end next to the 
> seatpost?  
>
> And the 7" is width across the saddle?  Looks like it's roughly the 
> same width as the saddle  My Brooks is just a smidgen less that 7" wide 
> at 
> its widest point.
>
> Thanks for your help on this.
>
> doug
>
> On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 1:30:13 PM UTC-7, Roberta wrote:
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> It is longest top to bottom. 
>>
>> Roberta 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Banana Sack

[Dorothy C]

If you have Moose style bars they fit nicely in the triangulation, too. 

On Monday, September 14, 2020 at 7:25:10 AM UTC-7 Dorothy C wrote:

> On the Riv product page there is a clip showing what you can fit in a 
> Bananasax
>
> https://vimeo.com/271338447
>
> On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 3:02:20 PM UTC-7 dougP wrote:
>
>> Got it.  Thanks.  Just wanted to make sure it wasn't much wider than the 
>> saddle.  That looks like it'll work quite well.
>>
>> doug
>>
>> On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 2:51:25 PM UTC-7, Roberta wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes   You understand it correctly. I took some pics. Mine is mounted and 
>>> smushed. Still you’ll see the shape and rough dimensions. You can easily 
>>> overstuff if needed. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 5:03:06 PM UTC-4, dougP wrote:

 So the 9" is from the back opening flap to the front end next to the 
 seatpost?  

 And the 7" is width across the saddle?  Looks like it's roughly the 
 same width as the saddle  My Brooks is just a smidgen less that 7" wide at 
 its widest point.

 Thanks for your help on this.

 doug

 On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 1:30:13 PM UTC-7, Roberta wrote:
>
> Doug
>
> It is longest top to bottom. 
>
> Roberta 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Banana Sack

[Dorothy C]

On the Riv product page there is a clip showing what you can fit in a 
Bananasax

https://vimeo.com/271338447

On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 3:02:20 PM UTC-7 dougP wrote:

> Got it.  Thanks.  Just wanted to make sure it wasn't much wider than the 
> saddle.  That looks like it'll work quite well.
>
> doug
>
> On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 2:51:25 PM UTC-7, Roberta wrote:
>>
>>
>> Yes   You understand it correctly. I took some pics. Mine is mounted and 
>> smushed. Still you’ll see the shape and rough dimensions. You can easily 
>> overstuff if needed. 
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 5:03:06 PM UTC-4, dougP wrote:
>>>
>>> So the 9" is from the back opening flap to the front end next to the 
>>> seatpost?  
>>>
>>> And the 7" is width across the saddle?  Looks like it's roughly the same 
>>> width as the saddle  My Brooks is just a smidgen less that 7" wide at its 
>>> widest point.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help on this.
>>>
>>> doug
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 1:30:13 PM UTC-7, Roberta wrote:

 Doug

 It is longest top to bottom. 

 Roberta 



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[RBW] Re: Sackville Banana Sack

[dougP]

Got it.  Thanks.  Just wanted to make sure it wasn't much wider than the 
saddle.  That looks like it'll work quite well.

doug

On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 2:51:25 PM UTC-7, Roberta wrote:
>
>
> Yes   You understand it correctly. I took some pics. Mine is mounted and 
> smushed. Still you’ll see the shape and rough dimensions. You can easily 
> overstuff if needed. 
>
>
> On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 5:03:06 PM UTC-4, dougP wrote:
>>
>> So the 9" is from the back opening flap to the front end next to the 
>> seatpost?  
>>
>> And the 7" is width across the saddle?  Looks like it's roughly the same 
>> width as the saddle  My Brooks is just a smidgen less that 7" wide at its 
>> widest point.
>>
>> Thanks for your help on this.
>>
>> doug
>>
>> On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 1:30:13 PM UTC-7, Roberta wrote:
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> It is longest top to bottom. 
>>>
>>> Roberta 
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Banana Sack

[dougP]

So the 9" is from the back opening flap to the front end next to the 
seatpost?  

And the 7" is width across the saddle?  Looks like it's roughly the same 
width as the saddle  My Brooks is just a smidgen less that 7" wide at its 
widest point.

Thanks for your help on this.

doug

On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 1:30:13 PM UTC-7, Roberta wrote:
>
> Doug
>
> It is longest top to bottom. 
>
> Roberta 
>
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[RBW] Re: Sackville Banana Sack

[Roberta]

Doug

It is longest top to bottom. 

Roberta 

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Banana Sack

[dougP]

Rivendell lists the dimensions as 7 x 9 x 5 but neglect to say if the 7 & 9 
are width & depth.  At the end of the video, the on-the-bike shots it looks 
deeper / longer than wider, judging by the fit on the saddle.

Is the bag just a bit longer than wide?  Might be just what I need.

dougP

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>
> I received my Sackville Banana Sack in light gray grid. It's made 
> beautifullyand I adore the wooden toggle for closure it's perfect for my 
> needs. Thanks Riv!

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Banana Sack

[Joel]

Enjoy, it looks like a great bag.  

I’ve been looking at that and the Acorn which is currently out of stock. 

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> beautifullyand I adore the wooden toggle for closure it's perfect for my 
> needs. Thanks Riv!

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Banana Sack

[Joel]

I’ve been looking at that and the Acorn which is currently out of stock. 

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> I received my Sackville Banana Sack in light gray grid. It's made 
> beautifullyand I adore the wooden toggle for closure it's perfect for my 
> needs. Thanks Riv!

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[RBW] Re: Sackville BaggaBond question

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Bagboy's nice as a front bag too, if you're looking for versatility, but 
it's not huge. Happisacks look to be huge enough for most stuff, maybe even 
a good front bag for the leather barred/towel racked amongst us.
Enjoy
-Kai

On Tuesday, September 1, 2020 at 9:57:06 PM UTC-4 Je Mar wrote:

> Thx Joe. I was thinking that might be the downside. Appreciate it, I’ll 
> probably look at the smaller ones. 
> Jeff
>
> On Tuesday, September 1, 2020 at 9:41:14 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Theoretically it'll work because the 13" just compresses down on the rack 
>> and droops over the sides, but in practice you may find it kind of squished 
>> and annoying to work with (I speak from "gotta have the big bag, don't talk 
>> me out of it" experience). For your load and space needs - especially 
>> trying to mount under springs - i would say the HappiSack or even Bagboy is 
>> a better plan. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 1, 2020 at 6:20:12 PM UTC-7 Je Mar wrote:
>>
>>> As it's the largest Sackville bag, it's the one I have my eye on.  From 
>>> the site: " A big & tall saddlebag for tall riders with a 13-inch or bigger 
>>> gap between the saddlebag loops and the tire or fender or rack, whatever 
>>> sticks up highest."
>>>
>>> I have maybe 9.5" of gap between Brooks flyer loops and a rack on a 60cm 
>>> Cheviot - will the BaggaBond not work for me?  
>>>
>>> To be honest, I don't carry much, even in winter - just my laptop, outer 
>>> shell, and lunch (and a lock).  Would I be overdoing it with the BaggaBond?
>>>
>>> thx
>>> Jeff 
>>> Arlington, VA
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Sackville BaggaBond question

['Je Mar' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thx Joe. I was thinking that might be the downside. Appreciate it, I’ll 
probably look at the smaller ones. 
Jeff

On Tuesday, September 1, 2020 at 9:41:14 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Theoretically it'll work because the 13" just compresses down on the rack 
> and droops over the sides, but in practice you may find it kind of squished 
> and annoying to work with (I speak from "gotta have the big bag, don't talk 
> me out of it" experience). For your load and space needs - especially 
> trying to mount under springs - i would say the HappiSack or even Bagboy is 
> a better plan. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Tuesday, September 1, 2020 at 6:20:12 PM UTC-7 Je Mar wrote:
>
>> As it's the largest Sackville bag, it's the one I have my eye on.  From 
>> the site: " A big & tall saddlebag for tall riders with a 13-inch or bigger 
>> gap between the saddlebag loops and the tire or fender or rack, whatever 
>> sticks up highest."
>>
>> I have maybe 9.5" of gap between Brooks flyer loops and a rack on a 60cm 
>> Cheviot - will the BaggaBond not work for me?  
>>
>> To be honest, I don't carry much, even in winter - just my laptop, outer 
>> shell, and lunch (and a lock).  Would I be overdoing it with the BaggaBond?
>>
>> thx
>> Jeff 
>> Arlington, VA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Sackville BaggaBond question

[Joe Bernard]

Theoretically it'll work because the 13" just compresses down on the rack 
and droops over the sides, but in practice you may find it kind of squished 
and annoying to work with (I speak from "gotta have the big bag, don't talk 
me out of it" experience). For your load and space needs - especially 
trying to mount under springs - i would say the HappiSack or even Bagboy is 
a better plan. 

Joe Bernard 

On Tuesday, September 1, 2020 at 6:20:12 PM UTC-7 Je Mar wrote:

> As it's the largest Sackville bag, it's the one I have my eye on.  From 
> the site: " A big & tall saddlebag for tall riders with a 13-inch or bigger 
> gap between the saddlebag loops and the tire or fender or rack, whatever 
> sticks up highest."
>
> I have maybe 9.5" of gap between Brooks flyer loops and a rack on a 60cm 
> Cheviot - will the BaggaBond not work for me?  
>
> To be honest, I don't carry much, even in winter - just my laptop, outer 
> shell, and lunch (and a lock).  Would I be overdoing it with the BaggaBond?
>
> thx
> Jeff 
> Arlington, VA
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sackville TrunkSack Small Mod

[Benjamin L. Kelley]

Thanks!
They are tiny USB lights(front and back), I ordered from Blue Lug in
Japan.  Also running a PB SuperFlash in the rear.
The light output is not exceptional.Two settings, on/flash. Good to "be
seen" in the city and not blind the other folks in the bike lane,  but if
you need to ride where there aren't streetlights, you need some bigger
iron.
I also keep one mounted on the dropout on my Steamroller as a backup light
that I don't have to worry about and its too obscure/low to steal, they are
threaded on to the bolt on mount, see pictures in the link.

https://global.bluelug.com/bl-select-koma-light-front-silver.html
https://global.bluelug.com/bl-select-koma-light-rear-silver.html

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> first riv!  that's a nice set of wheels, ben, dang.  the quickbeam orange
> is just the perfect hue of orange.  are those reflectors or lights you've
> got on the back?
>
> paul
> takoma park, md.
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[RBW] Re: Sackville TrunkSack Small Mod

[Paul Richardson]

first riv!  that's a nice set of wheels, ben, dang.  the quickbeam orange 
is just the perfect hue of orange.  are those reflectors or lights you've 
got on the back?

paul
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[RBW] Re: Sackville TrunkSack Small Mod

[RichS]

Ben, nicely done. Welcome to the group and thank you for posting the pics. 
I agree with Rob - please us your QB with the bag. Thanks! 

Best,
Rich in ATL

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> Great idea, thank you for sharing. I have a bag I may do the same.
>
> : ) 
> Cody
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[RBW] Re: Sackville TrunkSack Small Mod

[Cody Bartz]

Great idea, thank you for sharing. I have a bag I may do the same.

: ) 
Cody

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[RBW] Re: Sackville BaggaBond first ride

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I really like mine too, Joe. On Beorn (GBW), those long chain-stays require 
longer rack stays. I have a third more rack showing out the back, which is 
perfect for strapping on my tent, sleeping bag, and pad behind the sack. If I 
wanted to go ultra-light, I could bike pack with just that and no panniers.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Sackville BagBoy

[John C]

I was at RBW this past Saturday and checked out a Bagboy that was on a demo 
bike. It had a stiffener in it. 

On Tuesday, September 11, 2018 at 9:06:09 AM UTC-7, John Phillips wrote:
>
> Hi, Thanks for the campaign sign recycling suggestions, but I was really 
> wondering if the Bagboy was designed for and came with a stffener like my 
> older Sackville saddle bags. I've never really been able to use a Sackville 
> saddlebag without a rear rack supporting the bottom, probably because I 
> carry 4 or 5 lb u-locks.
>
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[RBW] Re: Sackville BagBoy

[Jamo.]

Why the bagboy as opposed to the medium?  Simply size difference?

On Tuesday, September 11, 2018 at 12:43:35 PM UTC-4, DarinM wrote:
>
> Probably best to ask Riv, but looking at the product page I find it hard 
> to imagine the shape as pictured without a stiffener.
>
> Darin
>
> On Tuesday, September 11, 2018 at 9:06:09 AM UTC-7, John Phillips wrote:
>>
>> Hi, Thanks for the campaign sign recycling suggestions, but I was really 
>> wondering if the Bagboy was designed for and came with a stffener like my 
>> older Sackville saddle bags. I've never really been able to use a Sackville 
>> saddlebag without a rear rack supporting the bottom, probably because I 
>> carry 4 or 5 lb u-locks.
>>
>> John
>>
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[RBW] Re: Sackville BagBoy

[DarinM]

Probably best to ask Riv, but looking at the product page I find it hard to 
imagine the shape as pictured without a stiffener.

Darin

On Tuesday, September 11, 2018 at 9:06:09 AM UTC-7, John Phillips wrote:
>
> Hi, Thanks for the campaign sign recycling suggestions, but I was really 
> wondering if the Bagboy was designed for and came with a stffener like my 
> older Sackville saddle bags. I've never really been able to use a Sackville 
> saddlebag without a rear rack supporting the bottom, probably because I 
> carry 4 or 5 lb u-locks.
>
> John
>

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[RBW] Re: Sackville BagBoy

[John Phillips]

Hi, Thanks for the campaign sign recycling suggestions, but I was really 
wondering if the Bagboy was designed for and came with a stffener like my 
older Sackville saddle bags. I've never really been able to use a Sackville 
saddlebag without a rear rack supporting the bottom, probably because I 
carry 4 or 5 lb u-locks.

John

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sackville BagBoy

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Works best to put Democratic lawn signs in left side saddlebags, Republican in 
the right. Moderate candidates (if you can find them) can be used in handlebar 
bags.

--Eric N

> On Sep 10, 2018, at 2:08 PM, dougP  wrote:
> 
> To add stiffness to any bag, the material that many election lawn signs are 
> made of (seems to be a coated cardboard-ish stuff) work well.  Comes in large 
> sizes, is free (after the election, of course) and with the mid-terms coming 
> up will be in endless supply.  It breaks down with use but then you just 
> whack out another chunk.  
> 
> dougP
> 
>> On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 10:44:18 AM UTC-7, John Phillips wrote:
>>   I didn't see any mention of a corroplast stiffener on the bottom of the 
>> bag, like in the other saddlebags, does anyone know if these new BagBoys 
>> have one?
>> 
>> John
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[RBW] Re: Sackville BagBoy

[dougP]

To add stiffness to any bag, the material that many election lawn signs are 
made of (seems to be a coated cardboard-ish stuff) work well.  Comes in 
large sizes, is free (after the election, of course) and with the mid-terms 
coming up will be in endless supply.  It breaks down with use but then you 
just whack out another chunk.  

dougP

On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 10:44:18 AM UTC-7, John Phillips wrote:
>
>   I didn't see any mention of a corroplast stiffener on the bottom of the 
> bag, like in the other saddlebags, does anyone know if these new BagBoys 
> have one?
>
> John
>

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[RBW] Re: Sackville BagBoy

[John Phillips]

  I didn't see any mention of a corroplast stiffener on the bottom of the 
bag, like in the other saddlebags, does anyone know if these new BagBoys 
have one?

John

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[RBW] Re: Sackville BagBoy

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

If anyone would like to sell me their SMall sackville in Olive for a 
reasonable price so they can put funds toward the new bag, please let me 
know off liine. I missed a good deal a couple weeks ago before I knew I 
needed one.

On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 5:08:16 PM UTC-4, Tim Bantham wrote:
>
> I have a Sackville bag obsession. I am trying to do my best to look away 
> at talk of a new model. It appears to be futile. 
>
> On Thursday, August 30, 2018 at 7:35:30 PM UTC-4, Pondero wrote:
>>
>> One of the reasons, I like Sackville bags is the shape.  The materials 
>> and details are excellent, and they help make the bags enjoyable to use.  
>> But the shape seems to work well for me in terms of "packability".  In 
>> other words, it seems like some bags (frame bags for example) that have 
>> lots of cubic inches just can't hold some things.  But that new BagBoy, 
>> with its boxy shape look like it could hold all kinds of things.  For me, 
>> that makes it look like it packs bigger than in is.   Kinda like a 
>> ShopSack.  I'm seriously considering the BagBoy.
>>
>> Chris Johnson
>> Sanger, Texas
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Sackville BagBoy

[Tim Bantham]

I have a Sackville bag obsession. I am trying to do my best to look away at 
talk of a new model. It appears to be futile. 

On Thursday, August 30, 2018 at 7:35:30 PM UTC-4, Pondero wrote:
>
> One of the reasons, I like Sackville bags is the shape.  The materials and 
> details are excellent, and they help make the bags enjoyable to use.  But 
> the shape seems to work well for me in terms of "packability".  In other 
> words, it seems like some bags (frame bags for example) that have lots of 
> cubic inches just can't hold some things.  But that new BagBoy, with its 
> boxy shape look like it could hold all kinds of things.  For me, that makes 
> it look like it packs bigger than in is.   Kinda like a ShopSack.  I'm 
> seriously considering the BagBoy.
>
> Chris Johnson
> Sanger, Texas
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Sackville BagBoy

[Max S]

I’d like it more if the D-rings were positioned in such a way as to allow 
carrying off the bike via a shoulder strap. The Small or the Medium could 
benefit from that as well and would see a ton more use in my case. Just park 
the bike, detach bag, put over the shoulder and go to the office / meeting / 
store... 

- Max “what do they have against carrying the bags?” in A2

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[RBW] Re: Sackville BagBoy

[Drw]

I like it. if it had side pockets (or even a foldy longflap hood) it would 
be the best bike bag i'd ever seen. I know that would make it like a 
carradice, but the shape is infinitely better. 

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Grab Sack and early Hobo bag for sale

[Ryan M.]

I'll take the grabsack. I'm sending you a pm...thanks. 

On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 12:35:33 PM UTC-5, Steven Sweedler wrote:
>
> The Grab sack is in excellent condition, used very little, is very well 
> made, $45 shipped
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/bags/products/sackville-grabsack-olive
> The Hobo bag has been used a lot, I added the leather when a seam started 
> to split, the two straps to attach to hanlebars or saddle loops are 
> included, $40 shipped
>
> -- 
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> Plymouth, New Hampshire
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[RBW] Re: sackville

[Tom Horton]

that was it, waterbury leather, thanks.

On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 1:03:20 PM UTC-4, Shawn Granton wrote:
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 9:39:16 AM UTC-7, Tom Wyland wrote:
>>
>> I think it's Tough Traveler? They have quite the "vintage" website.
>> http://www.toughtraveler.com
>>
>
> That vintage website states that they are Made In New York. While I can 
> understand that all the Northeast states can be "a blur" to people in the 
> other parts of the US (esp. West Coast!), I can assure you that New York is 
> NOT Connecticut! ;-)
>
> The place Riv gets the Sackville bags is Waterbury Leather Company, made 
> in the Naugatuck Valley city of Waterbury.
> https://www.facebook.com/WLWorks/posts/868212886555017
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> yours,
> Shawn
> who grew up in that Naugatuck Valley in Connecticut (and even briefly went 
> to school in Waterbury), but left Connecticut way before #nutmegcountry and 
> ultraromance made it cool. Now living in thoroughly uncool Portland, 
> Oregon.  
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[RBW] Re: sackville

['mlpessar' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Tom, I find an link I posted earlier doesn't work. Turns out Jim has a pdf 
on the Cyclofiend site. www.cyclofiend.com/Images/pdf/RR42_web.pdf
If this doesn't work just google Rivendell Reader 42.
-Marc

On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 11:54:55 AM UTC-4, Tom Horton wrote:
>
> I recall an article about the company in CT that makes the sackville bags, 
> but can't find it on the Riv site. anyone have a link?  thanks.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: sackville

['mlpessar' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Tom, Grant wrote a feature article on Waterbury Leatherworks Co. in 
Rivendell Reader 42, Winter, 2010. Here's a link to a PDF. 
https://manfromallouez.files.wordpress.com/.../rivendellreader42_freddiehoffman.pdf
-Marc

On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 11:54:55 AM UTC-4, Tom Horton wrote:
>
> I recall an article about the company in CT that makes the sackville bags, 
> but can't find it on the Riv site. anyone have a link?  thanks.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: sackville

[Shawn Granton]

On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 9:39:16 AM UTC-7, Tom Wyland wrote:
>
> I think it's Tough Traveler? They have quite the "vintage" website.
> http://www.toughtraveler.com
>

That vintage website states that they are Made In New York. While I can 
understand that all the Northeast states can be "a blur" to people in the 
other parts of the US (esp. West Coast!), I can assure you that New York is 
NOT Connecticut! ;-)

The place Riv gets the Sackville bags is Waterbury Leather Company, made in 
the Naugatuck Valley city of Waterbury.
https://www.facebook.com/WLWorks/posts/868212886555017

Hope this helps.

yours,
Shawn
who grew up in that Naugatuck Valley in Connecticut (and even briefly went 
to school in Waterbury), but left Connecticut way before #nutmegcountry and 
ultraromance made it cool. Now living in thoroughly uncool Portland, 
Oregon.  

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[RBW] Re: sackville

[Tom Wyland]

I think it's Tough Traveler? They have quite the "vintage" website.

http://www.toughtraveler.com


On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 11:54:55 AM UTC-4, Tom Horton wrote:
>
> I recall an article about the company in CT that makes the sackville bags, 
> but can't find it on the Riv site. anyone have a link?  thanks.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Banana Sax

[islaysteve]

Based on my experience with my old Banana Sack (made by Duluth pack), I'd 
say you will be fine with your intended use.  Mine will carry: an 
innertube, tools in a pouch, wallet, light jacket and an Abus cable lock, 
like Riv sells.  If the lock is carried, it should go in first.  Looking at 
the pictures on the site, the new one may be a wee bit larger, so better 
still.  BTW, I modified mine to fasten the flap with shock cord very much 
like the new Riv design.  It is much more convenient than the single buckle 
style of the old ones.  Interesting that Riv went to the two straps 
perpendicular for mounting.  I can see that it will be easier to mount and 
dismount than the old threaded-strap style.  One of these days, I'll be 
tempted to replace my old one with a new gray for my Bleriot.  Cheers, Steve


On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 6:18:51 AM UTC-5, Tim Bantham wrote:
>
> I am looking for feedback on Rivendell's new Banana Sax bag. If you have 
> one and have had some experience using it I would be interested in hearing 
> about it's overall usefulness What have you been able to fit in the bag 
> etc. I am trying to keep bags and racks on my Sam to a minimum but still 
> would like to have a useful bag for carrying my phone, tools, gloves and 
> maybe even a light jacket.  
>

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Saddlesack Large or Medium?

[dstein]

I've had them both. The medium fits a ton and I prefer that for everyday 
use (commuting and bike camping (but I don't do a lot of heavy duty grocery 
getting or any errands like that). Nice thing is that even for an S240 you 
can get a lot in there and bulge it out for some extra room. All depends on 
what else you have for storage. I find a medium saddlesack with a front 
shopsack--or even better some low rider panniers (I use the har 
ones)--really balance out the weight, that way you're not too tempted to 
put too much in the large and overload it. My hunqapillar gets a lot of 
shimmy from overloading a rear saddlesack.

Or you can take my route which is to buy them both, find out which one you 
like, then sell the other one at a slight loss. I find Rivendell products 
hold a good amount of value especially if barely used. I now look at fancy 
bike and bike part purchases as a rental fee with a large deposit ;)

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Saddlesack Large or Medium?

[Kellie]

I had the same dilemma and went with the large because I wanted the room 
for bike packing without a front rack. It was huge when I first got it but 
now I'm use to it and I'm glad I went with the large. I can also do a bit 
or grocery shopping without worrying weird shaped stuff won't fit.

On Saturday, April 8, 2017 at 7:19:12 AM UTC-7, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
> I'm trying to decide which Sackville Saddlesack would be better for my 
> Sam. I now have a rear rack so either would work. I plan on using it for 
> commuting, running errands, and the occasional S24O. I have a Mark's rack 
> on the front with a Wald basket for some extra carrying space. My original 
> thought was to get the medium with the thought that it would be plenty big 
> enough for my needs. I am also leery about having this huge bag on my bike. 
>  That said, I don't want to make such a large investment and be kicking 
> myself that I didn't get the bigger bag. Would appreciate any advice you 
> could share. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Multisack

[LeahFoy]

Great points, Joe and John! John, that lithe bag is THE perfect pannier for a 
Brompton. Too cute. 

I meant to stay with the tan color I already have, but I liked the gray best 
and ordered it. I chose the Multisack over the bar tube because it looks more 
like a clutch/handbag than the bar tube does. There is nothing better than 
buying a new Rivendell bike, but second to that is buying new bags for a 
Rivendell bike. I cannot wait.

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Multisack

[Surlyprof]

Leah,

I bought one recently to use as small pannier on a Brompton for 
foldability.  (
https://www.flickr.com/photos/129545862@N03/albums/72157676942696083 
)
 
 Really nicely built and detailed (leather details, pockets and connection 
points on bottom and both sides for lots of fastening versatility).  Good 
looking, too.  I found it to work really well for a Ulock and my lunch 
(5"x5"x1.5" container and some other things).  I just used it yesterday on 
my Hillborne's Albastache bars.  It connected pretty well but would 
probably work even better on bars with less curve such as Boscos, Chocos 
and Albatross.  The one thing I would consider doing is swapping out the 
buckle straps for something with an easier release such as snaps, fastex 
or, dare I say, velcro.  With a phone an wallet in it, it would be nice to 
be able to just pop it off when I wanted run into a store or coffee shop. 
 I always liked that detachable pocket feature on the medium and large 
saddlesacks.

John

On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 12:46:32 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> I rarely have pockets, except in winter when I'm wearing coats. Mom and 
> Dad sent me money for my birthday this year, so maybe I'll order a 
> Sackville Multisack to attach to my Bosco bars to hold my iPhone and pepper 
> spray. I've got bags for everything else, but just not items I'd like to 
> get at quickly. I haven't read much anywhere on the multisack and wonder if 
> it's worth the cost. Also, wonder when the promised blue color will arrive? 
>
> Thanks!
> Leah
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[RBW] Re: Sackville MultiSack – dimensions / trade?

[Max S]

Thanks for the dimensions! (Maybe a small or medium SaddleSack is in my 
future...) 

On Saturday, November 12, 2016 at 8:35:17 AM UTC-5, LLM wrote:
>
> Measuring seam-to-seam, the bag's dimensions are roughly 7" H x 12" W x 3 
> 1/4" D.  I can easily put my 8.4" x 12.6" x 0.76" laptop in the bag, just 
> not zippedthe laptop sticks out of the top of the bag by about one inch.
>
> On Thursday, November 10, 2016 at 10:54:06 AM UTC-5, Max S wrote:
>>
>> Anyone have the dimensions of the MultiSack?.. (wondering if I might be 
>> able to fit a laptop in it...) 
>> Anyone have a MultiSack that they want to trade for a new GrabSack? 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Sackville MultiSack – dimensions / trade?

[LLM]

Measuring seam-to-seam, the bag's dimensions are roughly 7" H x 12" W x 3 
1/4" D.  I can easily put my 8.4" x 12.6" x 0.76" laptop in the bag, just 
not zippedthe laptop sticks out of the top of the bag by about one inch.

On Thursday, November 10, 2016 at 10:54:06 AM UTC-5, Max S wrote:
>
> Anyone have the dimensions of the MultiSack?.. (wondering if I might be 
> able to fit a laptop in it...) 
> Anyone have a MultiSack that they want to trade for a new GrabSack? 
>

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[RBW] Re: Sackville SaddleSack medium

[Steve Butcher]

Oops, I tried deleting my post for the SaddleSack which only left Joe's 
reply.  My apologies for the confusion and to Joe for making it look like 
he placed the posting!  I've decided to keep the SaddleSack and use it on a 
different bike.  Steve Butcher

On Friday, July 1, 2016 at 9:53:05 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> What are lashing straps? I can't tell by the pic what this means or where 
> they are.

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[RBW] Re: Sackville SaddleSack medium

[Steve Butcher]

Joe, they're the "Long buckle Sackville leather straps 15 inch" that sell 
for $12.00 each.  If you look under the small external pocket, you'll see 
them peeking out.  

On Thursday, June 30, 2016 at 10:08:24 AM UTC-5, Steve Butcher wrote:
>
> The ShopSack I posted earlier has sold.  I'm now offering the medium 
> SaddleSack with two Sackville lashing straps for $185.00 shipped CONUS.  
> Please PM me if interested.  Thanks.  Steve.
>

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[RBW] Re: Sackville SaddleSack medium

[Joe Bernard]

What are lashing straps? I can't tell by the pic what this means or where they 
are.

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[RBW] Re: Sackville SaddleSack medium

[Steve Butcher]

No inquiries but a few lookers.  I'll keep the lashing straps and bump the 
price down to $170.00 shipped CONUS.   

On Thursday, June 30, 2016 at 10:08:24 AM UTC-5, Steve Butcher wrote:
>
> The ShopSack I posted earlier has sold.  I'm now offering the medium 
> SaddleSack with two Sackville lashing straps for $185.00 shipped CONUS.  
> Please PM me if interested.  Thanks.  Steve.
>

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[RBW] Re: Sackville sighting at 1 and Levering.

[Lungimsam]

Saw him again today on black, undiscernable brand bike with what looks like 
shop sack on front and Sackville on back, reflecto triangle on back.

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Jumbo Grabby

[Adama]

Considering this piece for my every day carry, so I'm resurrecting this 
thread to solicit any more feedback from folks have after used the ole 
jumbo grabby.  Thanks for all the reporting thus far.  Seems like it's 
fairly split between works good enough for me to a slipping shoulder strap 
is a deal breaker.  Pics and poetic waxings of beausage welcome, as are 
screeds re: where it's missed the mark.

Best,
Adama

On Sunday, January 17, 2016 at 3:53:57 PM UTC-8, Dan A wrote:
>
> I am not as happy with the bag as you Liesl, it has one critical flaw -- 
> the shoulder straps slip a lot.  Any weight in the bag and they slip, I 
> have tried various threading and hacks and while some help they still slip. 
>  While the quality and size of the bag other than the straps is great, the 
> straps are a killer for me - they thread through plastic that just doesn't 
> grip -- metal would have been much nicer.
>
> Dan
>
> On Friday, January 1, 2016 at 10:03:15 PM UTC-6, Liesl wrote:
>>
>> Here's the update, Dan and friends!  It's a really nice bag.  Dimensions 
>> are 15" wide by a very flexible 12" tall with a depth of 4".  Inside sleeve 
>> running across the back is rust colored fabric so nice and visible; zipper 
>> on the outside envelope pocket is hearty.  Shoulder strap is the same 
>> material as the Shopsack handles but 1.5" wide.  The angled side wall up to 
>> the flap inspire far more closure-confidence than the original Grabsack.  
>> 13" MacBook Air fits like a charm in the inside packet but is about 2" 
>> taller than the sleeve.  A potential hack would be to put a center strap 
>> running from the top center of back to the top center of the sleeve to keep 
>> a computer from tipping forward—but not a big issue.  Lots of real estate 
>> for patches; the Rivelo patch will be smashing on it.  It hangs nicely on a 
>> person's body; well, at least my body at 5'2" and erin's body at 5'10".
>>
>> We've been busy putting up a yurt (!) in the back yard for a winter craft 
>> and camp-out spot, so haven't really used the bag out and about yet.
>>
>> I'll be interested in your report, Dan!
>>
>> yours,
>> Liesl
>>
>> On Thursday, December 31, 2015 at 11:37:05 PM UTC-6, Dan A wrote:
>>>
>>> Liesl, 
>>>
>>> Any more thoughts on the jumbo grabby? I have one on the way as well. 
>>>
>>> Dan Abelson 
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sackville Medium large enough for 12 pack bottles and extras?

[Daniel D.]

You forgot to mention that you can't watch it anyway because you either 
don't own a tv or your tv only gets PBS. 

On Sunday, January 31, 2016 at 5:45:35 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> The Super Bowl is that thing that happens so we can go riding on a Sunday 
> with no cars on the road. I think it's a concert..something like that. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sackville Medium large enough for 12 pack bottles and extras?

[Patrick Moore]

That's what I wanted to hear, and that's what I recall (vaguely) from my
own ownership. Thanks, Jim.

Patrick Moore, who missed that recent Medium, and who doesn't know from
Superbowl, in ABQ, NM.

On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 5:40 PM, Jim M.  wrote:

> Enough for a 12-pack, jumbo bag of chips, guac, bean dip, and salsa, if
> you're stocking up for the super bowl. The Medium is a large bag, and the
> large is humongous.
>
> jim m
> wc ca
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[RBW] Re: Sackville Medium large enough for 12 pack bottles and extras?

[Jim M.]

Enough for a 12-pack, jumbo bag of chips, guac, bean dip, and salsa, if 
you're stocking up for the super bowl. The Medium is a large bag, and the 
large is humongous.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sackville Medium large enough for 12 pack bottles and extras?

[Joe Bernard]

The Super Bowl is that thing that happens so we can go riding on a Sunday with 
no cars on the road. I think it's a concert..something like that. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sackville Medium large enough for 12 pack bottles and extras?

[Justin August]

It's the thing that San Francisco donates $5million to because it's run by a 
starving "non-profit" called the NFL instead of its school system or homeless 
folks. In fact it runs them off the streets!

-Justin, grumpy in Oakland, Teaching in SF

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Jumbo Grabby

[Dan A]

I am not as happy with the bag as you Liesl, it has one critical flaw -- 
the shoulder straps slip a lot.  Any weight in the bag and they slip, I 
have tried various threading and hacks and while some help they still slip. 
 While the quality and size of the bag other than the straps is great, the 
straps are a killer for me - they thread through plastic that just doesn't 
grip -- metal would have been much nicer.

Dan

On Friday, January 1, 2016 at 10:03:15 PM UTC-6, Liesl wrote:
>
> Here's the update, Dan and friends!  It's a really nice bag.  Dimensions 
> are 15" wide by a very flexible 12" tall with a depth of 4".  Inside sleeve 
> running across the back is rust colored fabric so nice and visible; zipper 
> on the outside envelope pocket is hearty.  Shoulder strap is the same 
> material as the Shopsack handles but 1.5" wide.  The angled side wall up to 
> the flap inspire far more closure-confidence than the original Grabsack.  
> 13" MacBook Air fits like a charm in the inside packet but is about 2" 
> taller than the sleeve.  A potential hack would be to put a center strap 
> running from the top center of back to the top center of the sleeve to keep 
> a computer from tipping forward—but not a big issue.  Lots of real estate 
> for patches; the Rivelo patch will be smashing on it.  It hangs nicely on a 
> person's body; well, at least my body at 5'2" and erin's body at 5'10".
>
> We've been busy putting up a yurt (!) in the back yard for a winter craft 
> and camp-out spot, so haven't really used the bag out and about yet.
>
> I'll be interested in your report, Dan!
>
> yours,
> Liesl
>
> On Thursday, December 31, 2015 at 11:37:05 PM UTC-6, Dan A wrote:
>>
>> Liesl, 
>>
>> Any more thoughts on the jumbo grabby? I have one on the way as well. 
>>
>> Dan Abelson 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Jumbo Grabby

[Liesl]

Here's the update, Dan and friends!  It's a really nice bag.  Dimensions 
are 15" wide by a very flexible 12" tall with a depth of 4".  Inside sleeve 
running across the back is rust colored fabric so nice and visible; zipper 
on the outside envelope pocket is hearty.  Shoulder strap is the same 
material as the Shopsack handles but 1.5" wide.  The angled side wall up to 
the flap inspire far more closure-confidence than the original Grabsack.  
13" MacBook Air fits like a charm in the inside packet but is about 2" 
taller than the sleeve.  A potential hack would be to put a center strap 
running from the top center of back to the top center of the sleeve to keep 
a computer from tipping forward—but not a big issue.  Lots of real estate 
for patches; the Rivelo patch will be smashing on it.  It hangs nicely on a 
person's body; well, at least my body at 5'2" and erin's body at 5'10".

We've been busy putting up a yurt (!) in the back yard for a winter craft 
and camp-out spot, so haven't really used the bag out and about yet.

I'll be interested in your report, Dan!

yours,
Liesl

On Thursday, December 31, 2015 at 11:37:05 PM UTC-6, Dan A wrote:
>
> Liesl, 
>
> Any more thoughts on the jumbo grabby? I have one on the way as well. 
>
> Dan Abelson 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Jumbo Grabby

[Dan A]

Liesl, 

Any more thoughts on the jumbo grabby? I have one on the way as well. 

Dan Abelson 

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Jumbo Grabby

[Liesl]

Jumbo Grabby is on its way as a household christmas present that either of 
us can use.  Will report back when its in my little squirrel paws.

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Jumbo Grabby

[LeahFoy]

I know this gap you speak of. I bought the Grabsack a week or two ago and have 
been using it as a cross body purse. I love it. But I did NOT love that gap. If 
you open the flap, you'll see the bungee cord is knotted. If you make another 
knot to shorten the bungee cord, the gap disappears! This will render your 
Grabsack the perfect bag.  Easy peasy.

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Jumbo Grabby

[Bill Lindsay]

Liesl

I poked around at the Jumbo Grabby on my last visit to RBWHQ.  I have a 
grabsack that I'm totally OK with, so it was just a few glances.  Jumbo 
Grabby struck me as substantially more "refined".  It's definitely bigger. 
 I bet you'll love it, and you'll find a friend who will love your grabsack 
as a hand-me-down.  It'll be great.  Go ahead and buy one.  

Bill

On Tuesday, December 15, 2015 at 9:48:50 AM UTC-8, Liesl wrote:
>
> Anyone bought one yet and/or laid their hands on one whilst visiting 
> RWHQ?  Especially interested in a comparison to the GrabSack. I have a 
> GrabSack and overall I like it; however I have a few issues/questions:
>
> First, on the GrabSack I don't feel good about how the lid meets the 
> body.  There's a bit of a gap at the corners so it's not a secure feeling.  
> Looks different on the Jumbo Grabby.  Comments?
>
> Second, on the GrabSack the strap is about an inch wide (same as the 
> ShopSack, which I am 150% in love with and use just about everyday).  Jumbo 
> shoulder strap looks wide ad perhaps thicker, which would be more 
> comfortable.  Comments?
>
> I suppose I should send this one to Riv directly, but anyone know its 
> dimensions?
>
> Thanks in advance.  Gotta put in my Riv christmas order this week!  your 
> pal, liesl
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Sackville gray vs Berthoud gray?

[David Banzer]

Hi Peter,
I've just ran out of gray fabric, but can always get more. The gray rando 
bag is sold. I do have a mini-rando/saddle-wedge set in gray that I haven't 
put up for sale yet, but that'd be a minimalist bag setup.
I do have a Carradice-style bag that I've made for myself: 
http://treetopbags.blogspot.com/2015/07/large-saddlebag-black-black.html
I'm a hobbyist of a bagmaker, still have a lot to learn. I wouldn't put 
myself in the same grouping of the others you mentioned, but aspire to be 
someday when I have more spare time.
David
Chicago

On Sunday, September 20, 2015 at 10:58:08 PM UTC-5, Peter Adler wrote:
>
> Sorry about that; clicked the wrong button. Further bagmaker links below:
>
> On Sunday, September 20, 2015 at 8:49:10 PM UTC-7, Peter Adler wrote:
>>
>> Ideally, if you want a saddlebag and a handlebar bag to match each other 
>> *exactly*, you'd contact a custom bag maker and have them make both bags 
>> out of the same fabric. If Sackville doesn't make rando bags to your liking 
>> - say, if the BarSack  
>> isn't your cuppa - there are a number of excellent bag makers around, such 
>> as Ruthworks  
>> in San Francisco, Swift Industries  in 
>> Seattle, my friend Phil Woosley/Loyal Designs  in 
>> Richmond, CA, and of course our fellow list-member David Banzer 
>>  in Chicago, among others.
>>
>
> David currently has a traditional rando bag in gray canvas listed, which 
> appears to be the same color as a saddle wedge I got from him not too long 
> ago. A Carradice-style tubular saddlebag is a much bigger item than most of 
> the bags he currently has listed, but I image the engineering isn't 
> radically different. David, do you still have enough yardage left from the 
> lot you got the rando from to do a full saddlebag?
>

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[RBW] Re: Sackville gray vs Berthoud gray?

[Peter Adler]

Even if another vendor/manufacturer could source the same fabric 
type/color, the only way to guarantee that the materials are identical 
matches is to buy from the same production run. Even the most anal of 
manufacturers have variations in materials and dyes between productions. 
Black is the worst; it's very difficult to get blacks to match when you 
take yardage from different dye lots. You either get Zen about it, or you 
plan ahead and get enough yardage upfront to make everything you want.

Ideally, if you want a saddlebag and a handlebar bag to match each other 
*exactly*, you'd contact a custom bag maker and have them make both bags 
out of the same fabric. If Sackville doesn't make rando bags to your liking 
- say, if the BarSack  isn't 
your cuppa - there are a number of excellent bag makers around: Ruthworks 
 in San 
Francisco, Swift Industries in Seattle, 

Peter Adler
a warehouseman in a fabric store several careers ago, who can still 
identify the fiber content from the smell of a burning scrap; it's shocking 
how many bolts say "6% other"
Berkeley, CA/USA

On Sunday, September 20, 2015 at 12:42:31 PM UTC-7, David Banzer wrote:
>
> The grays look different to me, though what "matches" doesn't necessarily 
> mean an exact match to everyone. 
> ...but most likely cannot source the same fabric, at least not in a small 
> quantity. 

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[RBW] Re: Sackville gray vs Berthoud gray?

[Peter Adler]

Sorry about that; clicked the wrong button. Further bagmaker links below:

On Sunday, September 20, 2015 at 8:49:10 PM UTC-7, Peter Adler wrote:
>
> Ideally, if you want a saddlebag and a handlebar bag to match each other 
> *exactly*, you'd contact a custom bag maker and have them make both bags 
> out of the same fabric. If Sackville doesn't make rando bags to your liking 
> - say, if the BarSack  
> isn't your cuppa - there are a number of excellent bag makers around, such 
> as Ruthworks  
> in San Francisco, Swift Industries  in 
> Seattle, my friend Phil Woosley/Loyal Designs  in 
> Richmond, CA, and of course our fellow list-member David Banzer 
>  in Chicago, among others.
>

David currently has a traditional rando bag in gray canvas listed, which 
appears to be the same color as a saddle wedge I got from him not too long 
ago. A Carradice-style tubular saddlebag is a much bigger item than most of 
the bags he currently has listed, but I image the engineering isn't 
radically different. David, do you still have enough yardage left from the 
lot you got the rando from to do a full saddlebag?

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Backabike Bags

[Leslie]

Thx, Liesl   good input, much appreciated   will continue to wool 
it over, if I should hunt for used TourSacks, or go w/ Backabikes, or, 
whatever..

Best,

-L




On Saturday, February 28, 2015 at 7:25:37 PM UTC-5, Liesl wrote:

 Hi Leslie, I used the TourSacks once on a Riv S24O attached to a baby 
 Hunq. They were roomy and easy to grab the pair as one unit off the bike. A 
 tent was easily attached to the deck with the d-rings. And they have more 
 volume (I think) than the Backabikes. No complaints whatever for that 
 application. 

 Here's why I went Backabikes: sometimes I just want/need only one bag in 
 back. Sometimes I need to lash something on the rack that can't be lashed 
 using d-rings. Sometimes I want to attach my old baggins loafer, again, 
 which can't be lashed using d-rings. But taking them off loaded isn't a 
 snap as I described earlier.  They are though super easy to store and don't 
 take up much room at all with one tucked into the other and then flattened. 
 (My guess is that the TourSacks would take up a fair bit more of room) 

 So think about how you expect to use them and what's important to you with 
 respect to function. 

 Hope this is helpful. Good luck!

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Backabike Bags

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Thanks, Leisl!  That's exactly what I was afraid of. Oh, well -- it's not 
like I need another pannier! :-)

-- Liz

On Friday, February 27, 2015 at 7:30:56 PM UTC-5, Liesl wrote:

 Hi Elisabeth, the Backabike bags aren't the fastest on/off but not the 
 slowest either. I'm sure a handy person could do a hack and make it super 
 easy/fast. Specifically, to take them on and off the rear rack, you have to 
 rethread the Irish strap through the grommets and then around the rack and 
 back through the grommets. That's tricky to do when loaded. Again, ripe for 
 a hack. 

 This is NOT the same for the HAR bags because there are little posts at 
 the top that the Irish straps loop over. This means you don't have to 
 thread the strap through the grommets. shoji's comment is on point for the 
 HARs but not the Backabikes. 

 Hope this is helpful!

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Backabike Bags

[Leslie]

I'm on the fence about these.I was wanting the TourSacks, but at their 
price point, didn't want to jump half-heartedly on the olive, was going to 
wait on a khaki-tan version.(And, even if they appeared today, might 
not be an instant buy)  These Backabike Rear bags do come in tan, 
which I like, and have a better price point.   But I don't know if I'd be 
as fond of them. 

Anyone that's had both, care to do a compare/contrast on the Backabike 
Rears and the TourSacks?   

(I keep trying to tell myself to save up and order a Swifts, but, that's 
not happened yet...)


Thx,


-L

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Backabike Bags

[Liesl]

Hi Leslie, I used the TourSacks once on a Riv S24O attached to a baby Hunq. 
They were roomy and easy to grab the pair as one unit off the bike. A tent was 
easily attached to the deck with the d-rings. And they have more volume (I 
think) than the Backabikes. No complaints whatever for that application.

Here's why I went Backabikes: sometimes I just want/need only one bag in back. 
Sometimes I need to lash something on the rack that can't be lashed using 
d-rings. Sometimes I want to attach my old baggins loafer, again, which can't 
be lashed using d-rings. But taking them off loaded isn't a snap as I described 
earlier.  They are though super easy to store and don't take up much room at 
all with one tucked into the other and then flattened. (My guess is that the 
TourSacks would take up a fair bit more of room)

So think about how you expect to use them and what's important to you with 
respect to function.

Hope this is helpful. Good luck!

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Backabike Bags

[Richard Rios]

Hi Sean,

I have a pair and think they are fantastic.  I have not had any problems 
with them shifting about but I haven't really loaded them up that heavily.  
I posted a few pictures of how I attached them to the Clem Rack.  
https://www.flickr.com/photos/59814214@N05/16121858332/in/pool-rivendell
Hope this helps.

Sincerely,
Richard

On Friday, February 27, 2015 at 8:48:07 AM UTC-8, sean wrote:

 Hello Riv group,

 I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with the new Sackville 
 Backabike rear bags (panniers)? I'm curious about these but wonder how they 
 actually attach to a rear rack? Just using straps through the grommets? Any 
 review on how secure they are to the rack? These have peaked my interest, 
 but I am hesitant as I hate it when panniers aren't attached securely and 
 float around during a ride. I really like my Carradice Super C bags which 
 have a secure, ratchet attachment system but am looking to maybe throw some 
 Sackvilles into the mix. I love my Sackville shopsack and hope to add 
 something of similar quality.

 Thanks for any insight!

 Sean
 ATX


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[RBW] Re: Sackville Backabike Bags

[sean]

Oh yeah, one more thing. Did you have to purchase the Irish mounting straps 
separately or did they come with the bags? 

Sean
ATX

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Backabike Bags

[Richard Rios]

Hi Sean,

The straps came included with the bags.  Great looking bike by the way. I 
have some bosco moose bars that should be arriving soon and am looking 
forward to trying them out :)

Sincerely,
Richard

On Friday, February 27, 2015 at 12:25:26 PM UTC-8, sean wrote:

 Oh yeah, one more thing. Did you have to purchase the Irish mounting 
 straps separately or did they come with the bags? 

 Sean
 ATX


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[RBW] Re: Sackville Backabike Bags

[sean]

Thanks for the insights Richard and Liesl. I'll be attaching the bags to a 
Surly rear rack which is certainly stout and hardy. I've since moved the 
Carradice panniers to the front and with the potential addition of the 
Backabike bags, along with my Shopsack in the Wald and my Lowsaddle 
Longflap in the rear I'll be fully loaded for groceries, camping, 
commuting...well...anything for that matter. My LHT rig looks like a 
similar setup to your custom, Liesl. Gotta love those Bosco bars!

Sean 
ATX

 

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Backabike Bags

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Can someone report on how easy they are to take on and off?  I'm less 
concerned about how much they shift around while on the rack, but I tend to 
take any pannier I may be using on and off several times a day, sometimes 
loaded, sometimes unloaded.

Thanks!

-- Liz S.



On Friday, February 27, 2015 at 1:55:54 PM UTC-5, Liesl wrote:

 Hi Shawn, I have Backabike bags mounted to a Longboy rack, and HARs mated 
 to the Frontabike bags—all attached with Irish straps.  I have used this 
 set-up quite a bit for grocery shopping.  I attached a photo of the 
 set-up.  I really really like them.  I don't find that they slide around or 
 flop as I ride to the coop and they're empy; I also find that they feel 
 secure as I ride home and each bag probably has 10-15 pounds in them.  Erin 
 was so envious that she now has a pair for her Cheviot.

 I've also found that the fabric is good in the rain, but I haven't spent 
 more than an hour in the rain.

 Backabike Bags + HAR Bags + waldbasket/Shopsack = haul whatever you need to




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[RBW] Re: Sackville Backabike Bags

[Shoji Takahashi]

Liesl,
Wow does that bike look great!

Sean,
I have the front HAR/HAB. I've had water enter the front bags in heavy 
downpours (when commuting). I put my clothes in plastic bags... problem 
solved. As it's near the front hub, there's a lot of water exposure from 
fenders, wheel, brakes. 

Liz,
It could be easy on/off. It depends on how you set up your strap(s), which 
might depend on the type of rear rack. (I'm speaking as a user of the front 
version, so I don't have direct experience with the back.)

Overall: recommended-- simple, attractive, well designed, durable. (Seems 
like it would be easy to repair, but I haven't had to do that yet!) But if 
you're looking for waterproof, get Ortliebs or other model.


On Friday, February 27, 2015 at 3:55:28 PM UTC-5, Elisabeth Sherwood wrote:

 Can someone report on how easy they are to take on and off?  I'm less 
 concerned about how much they shift around while on the rack, but I tend to 
 take any pannier I may be using on and off several times a day, sometimes 
 loaded, sometimes unloaded.

 Thanks!

 -- Liz S.



 On Friday, February 27, 2015 at 1:55:54 PM UTC-5, Liesl wrote:

 Hi Shawn, I have Backabike bags mounted to a Longboy rack, and HARs mated 
 to the Frontabike bags—all attached with Irish straps.  I have used this 
 set-up quite a bit for grocery shopping.  I attached a photo of the 
 set-up.  I really really like them.  I don't find that they slide around or 
 flop as I ride to the coop and they're empy; I also find that they feel 
 secure as I ride home and each bag probably has 10-15 pounds in them.  Erin 
 was so envious that she now has a pair for her Cheviot.

 I've also found that the fabric is good in the rain, but I haven't spent 
 more than an hour in the rain.

 Backabike Bags + HAR Bags + waldbasket/Shopsack = haul whatever you need 
 to




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[RBW] Re: Sackville Backabike Bags

[Liesl]

Hi Elisabeth, the Backabike bags aren't the fastest on/off but not the slowest 
either. I'm sure a handy person could do a hack and make it super easy/fast. 
Specifically, to take them on and off the rear rack, you have to rethread the 
Irish strap through the grommets and then around the rack and back through the 
grommets. That's tricky to do when loaded. Again, ripe for a hack.

This is NOT the same for the HAR bags because there are little posts at the top 
that the Irish straps loop over. This means you don't have to thread the strap 
through the grommets. shoji's comment is on point for the HARs but not the 
Backabikes.

Hope this is helpful!

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Saddlesack small Olive

[Richard Rios]

Bag has been sold Thanks

On Friday, December 5, 2014 3:42:59 PM UTC-8, Richard Rios wrote:

 Saddlesack Small Olive.  Like new condition asking $110.00.  Interested in 
 local sale only at this point in time So Cal 92313.  Shoot me a txt and I 
 will respond with a picture(S).  

 Thanks,
 Richard
 909 910-7424


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[RBW] Re: Sackville Stick Pack

[Ron Mc]

unfortunately, can't resolve the copy on the blug photo links 

On Tuesday, November 18, 2014 9:11:14 AM UTC-6, Leslie wrote:

 Was just perusing the holiday flyer pdf, and came across the 'stick 
 pack'.

 Neat-O!   Diggin' it.Hm



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[RBW] Re: Sackville Stick Pack

[Ron Mc]

Lone Peak has made nice bags since the 80s.  It makes a lot of sense for 
Grant to send work their way.  

On Tuesday, November 18, 2014 9:11:14 AM UTC-6, Leslie wrote:

 Was just perusing the holiday flyer pdf, and came across the 'stick 
 pack'.

 Neat-O!   Diggin' it.Hm



 -L






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[RBW] Re: Sackville Bar sack on front rack?.

[GAJett]

I am thinking about adding an accessory bar below the handlebars as a mount 
for the F15.  One example is the Thorn Accessory Bar T Shaped 55 mm 
Extension 
http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/thorn-accessory-bar-t-shaped-55-mm-extension-0-deg-prod11041/?geoc=us
.
[image: Thorn Thorn Accessory Bar T Shaped 55 mm Extension - 0 Deg]
Other options may be available, or something hand-built to fit into the 
stack above the headset.
Cheers.

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Bar Sack review needed please.

[lungimsam]

@Aakash:
I have been using the Carradice Pendle Saddlebag, but it is so big it drags 
on the rear wheels of my bikes unless I use a fender. Then it sits on the 
fender. I don't want to put racks on the bike.
The next bag size down by Carradice is the Zipped Roll. But I think I need 
something a little bigger. I don't tour or anything, and a Pendle sized bag 
is enough for me.
So I thought I would try a front bag and see how I like it.
I think the only rack I would ever want to put on my bikes is a front rack, 
but only if I had to for larger bag reasons or to mount a dynamo powered 
light.

@ MKahri: Thanks for the info and tips # 3 and 6. Very clever!

 

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Bar Sack review needed please.

[Aakash Desai]

I was interested in a handlebar bag/decaleur and front rack setup until I 
started looking into saddlebag options. Have you considered something like 
a Dill Pickle large saddlebag or the Riv Sackville saddlesacks? 

On Wednesday, October 1, 2014 1:50:50 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:

 Considering this clamp on handlebar bag. But was wondering:

 1. Does the NITTO bag holder hold tight, or rotate down under the weight 
 of the bag and its contents? What about on bumpy terrain?
 2. Does the bag sag, since there is no rack under it?
 3. Is it as waterproof as a Carradice Pendle/Barley/Nelson, etc. 
 traditional saddle bag?
 4. Does the lid open away from the rider, so you can access while riding?
 *5. I do commuting and recreational road rides up to centuries, maybe try 
 for a 200k sometime. Any reason why I should bypass a setup like this and 
 go whole hog and get a way expensive decaler/rack/Berthoud-ish set up 
 instead? Or will this be great for my needs?*



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