Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

['Bryan Midlam' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I ride regularly throughout our Northeast Winters and always struggled to 
keep hands and feet warm.  This year I finally figured it out although the 
set up isn't ideal for the beauty of riding a Riv but it works for staying 
warm.  I wear Pearly's Possum Socks under waterproof boots (I could never 
get warm riding clipless so I now only ride flats).  I then use neoprene 
shoe covers.  Mine are now worn out so I am due for a new pair.  For the 
hands I ride in Showers Pass waterproof wool gloves, they are very light 
and make it so you can still easily operate the controls.  Then I have a 
pair of Bar Mitts for my handlebars.  Again, not winning any style contests 
here but if anything, my hands were too warm and I had to vent them.  I 
have heavier gloves that work as well but it's so hard to have the same 
ride feel with huge mittens on.

On Saturday, February 27, 2021 at 7:22:46 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> This reply is quite late to the party, but I thought the video attached is 
> worth sharing. The narrator has, I think, too rosy an outlook about what is 
> practically possible in North American cities, but he does show that cold 
> weather cycling is not, or ought not to be, a real barrier, tho' even he 
> starts tossing in qualifications for temperatures below -20*F (or perhaps 
> that is only -20*C, a wimpy -4*F).
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhx-26GfCBU=emb_rel_end
>
> He describes Finnish cities as having more snow than Canadian cities, but 
> he never lived in Kebek, which gets or used to get an average of 13 
> non-drift feet a year. Still, he's right about the cold; keep moving and 
> your are surprisingly warm.
>
> To add to the thread: We don't get very cold temps here; I've ridden 30-35 
> miles in the mid-teens warming to the mid 20s, American Freedom Units (mile 
> high radiant solar heat), but much more often in the low to mid 20s for 
> 6-10 miles on the way to church; tho' in my hot blooded mid-late 20s I ran 
> and xc ski'id down to -20*F. One very basic principle I've learned to keep 
> extremities warm is to size gloves and shoes up for air gaps. I have 
> small-medium hands but buy XL gloves, one, so I can wear wool DeFeets 
> underneath, but mostly so that there is 1/2" of air between my thumb and 
> the end of the glove when riding into a 21*F headwind. The same goes for 
> shoes: extra room between big toe and end of shoe.
>
> I also like those Buff-type merino tubes that you can wear as neck 
> gaiters, COVID masks (doubled), and ear warmers under a winter ear flap 
> cycling cap; easier than scarfs, more versatile that scarfs and balaclavas, 
> and just as warm. 
>
> One more tried 'n' liked for winter 2020-2021 is a very nice pair of 
> ex-Eastern or Mitteleuropa military spec (but complement your elegant 
> evening wear!) leather gloves with warm cloth lining that I got from a 
> Finnish army surplus outlet, sized 2-above in order to accommodate a pair 
> of in-themselves very warm DeFeet knit wool gloves with room left at finger 
> ends; the DeFeets themselves over a pair of thin silk liners were perfectly 
> warm at 32*F this morning.
>
> Oh, and I have experienced why old cycling jackets were made of knit wool 
> with nylon wind panels. IME, this is the best combination for cold weather 
> warmth with protection from wind. I've just found a tailor to, God willing, 
> alter and repair the 2 largely new '80s-vintage Italian jackets someone 
> very kindly gave me.
>
> On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 11:27 PM Roberta  wrote:
>
>> Inspired by the wonderful cold weather rides and pics recently (and 
>> others, too, on Instagram), I decided I should not stop riding just because 
>> the temperature is below 60*.  Yes, you read that right.  Pre-Riv, when 
>> the weather got below 60*, I’d stop riding because it was “too cold.”
>>
>> Well, I’ve learned a lot here in the last 3 ½ years.  Last year, I rode 
>> when it was in the 40’s.  Yesterday and today, I was out in 32* and 27* 
>> temperatures, respectively, and it was glorious!  I finally learned how 
>> to dress properly for cold weather riding.  There were less crowds on 
>> the trail and I was more comfortable than when it’s in the 90’s.
>>
>> I highly recommend it!
>> Also, how do you keep your toes warm?  It was the only cold part of my 
>> body.  I was wearing leather sneakers and cotton socks (only because I 
>> couldn't find my wool ones).  Winter temps usually don't often go below 30*.
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

[Patrick Moore]

This reply is quite late to the party, but I thought the video attached is
worth sharing. The narrator has, I think, too rosy an outlook about what is
practically possible in North American cities, but he does show that cold
weather cycling is not, or ought not to be, a real barrier, tho' even he
starts tossing in qualifications for temperatures below -20*F (or perhaps
that is only -20*C, a wimpy -4*F).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhx-26GfCBU=emb_rel_end

He describes Finnish cities as having more snow than Canadian cities, but
he never lived in Kebek, which gets or used to get an average of 13
non-drift feet a year. Still, he's right about the cold; keep moving and
your are surprisingly warm.

To add to the thread: We don't get very cold temps here; I've ridden 30-35
miles in the mid-teens warming to the mid 20s, American Freedom Units (mile
high radiant solar heat), but much more often in the low to mid 20s for
6-10 miles on the way to church; tho' in my hot blooded mid-late 20s I ran
and xc ski'id down to -20*F. One very basic principle I've learned to keep
extremities warm is to size gloves and shoes up for air gaps. I have
small-medium hands but buy XL gloves, one, so I can wear wool DeFeets
underneath, but mostly so that there is 1/2" of air between my thumb and
the end of the glove when riding into a 21*F headwind. The same goes for
shoes: extra room between big toe and end of shoe.

I also like those Buff-type merino tubes that you can wear as neck gaiters,
COVID masks (doubled), and ear warmers under a winter ear flap cycling cap;
easier than scarfs, more versatile that scarfs and balaclavas, and just as
warm.

One more tried 'n' liked for winter 2020-2021 is a very nice pair of
ex-Eastern or Mitteleuropa military spec (but complement your elegant
evening wear!) leather gloves with warm cloth lining that I got from a
Finnish army surplus outlet, sized 2-above in order to accommodate a pair
of in-themselves very warm DeFeet knit wool gloves with room left at finger
ends; the DeFeets themselves over a pair of thin silk liners were perfectly
warm at 32*F this morning.

Oh, and I have experienced why old cycling jackets were made of knit wool
with nylon wind panels. IME, this is the best combination for cold weather
warmth with protection from wind. I've just found a tailor to, God willing,
alter and repair the 2 largely new '80s-vintage Italian jackets someone
very kindly gave me.

On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 11:27 PM Roberta  wrote:

> Inspired by the wonderful cold weather rides and pics recently (and
> others, too, on Instagram), I decided I should not stop riding just because
> the temperature is below 60*.  Yes, you read that right.  Pre-Riv, when
> the weather got below 60*, I’d stop riding because it was “too cold.”
>
> Well, I’ve learned a lot here in the last 3 ½ years.  Last year, I rode
> when it was in the 40’s.  Yesterday and today, I was out in 32* and 27*
> temperatures, respectively, and it was glorious!  I finally learned how
> to dress properly for cold weather riding.  There were less crowds on the
> trail and I was more comfortable than when it’s in the 90’s.
>
> I highly recommend it!
> Also, how do you keep your toes warm?  It was the only cold part of my
> body.  I was wearing leather sneakers and cotton socks (only because I
> couldn't find my wool ones).  Winter temps usually don't often go below 30*.
>
> Roberta
>
>

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Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

[Ray Varella]

It doesn’t get that cold where I live but years ago when I worked at a ski 
resort and spent all day standing in subzero temperatures, I wore Sorrel 
boots, they have a very thick wool felt liner that can be removed if they 
get damp. 

It would one of my first purchases if I lived where it got really cold. 
The only time they were insufficient is when it was minus 30f for a week

Ray
On Saturday, February 13, 2021 at 12:40:53 PM UTC-8 Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:

> HI Corwin,
>
> Good to hear you're another practitioner of WHM and have benefitted from 
> it! I haven't done the ice baths yet, but I do take ice cold showers daily. 
> I've never felt better, but I'm hoping it'll eventually provide some relief 
> to the cold fingers I experience during winter riding.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Saturday, February 13, 2021 at 1:31:59 AM UTC-5 Corwin wrote:
>
>> Hi Bob -
>>
>> Given that I live in the San Francisco Bay Area, I don't experience much 
>> in the way of cold weather. Your mention of the Wim Hof method piqued my 
>> interest though. I have been practicing the Wim Hof method for many years 
>> now. I bathe in cold water. I'm a diver, so I wear much a thinner wetsuit 
>> than others I dive with - and do not wear a hood. When I told Grant about 
>> the Wim Hof method, he looked at me as though I was crazy. Most of the 
>> time, I wear no gloves. Occasionally, I will wear a thin pair of silk or 
>> polypropylene liners.
>>
>> Namaste,
>>
>> Corwin
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

HI Corwin,

Good to hear you're another practitioner of WHM and have benefitted from 
it! I haven't done the ice baths yet, but I do take ice cold showers daily. 
I've never felt better, but I'm hoping it'll eventually provide some relief 
to the cold fingers I experience during winter riding.

Cheers!

Bob

On Saturday, February 13, 2021 at 1:31:59 AM UTC-5 Corwin wrote:

> Hi Bob -
>
> Given that I live in the San Francisco Bay Area, I don't experience much 
> in the way of cold weather. Your mention of the Wim Hof method piqued my 
> interest though. I have been practicing the Wim Hof method for many years 
> now. I bathe in cold water. I'm a diver, so I wear much a thinner wetsuit 
> than others I dive with - and do not wear a hood. When I told Grant about 
> the Wim Hof method, he looked at me as though I was crazy. Most of the 
> time, I wear no gloves. Occasionally, I will wear a thin pair of silk or 
> polypropylene liners.
>
> Namaste,
>
> Corwin
>

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Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

[Takashi]

Also coming in late. 
Wool socks and hiking boots (waterproof ones) worked fine for me if 
temperature is down to about freezing point.
Colder than that, or if I'm riding very long descent, I wear battery heated 
socks.
When I went long-ish ride last December, I brought battery heated gloves 
and socks, just in case. I didn't need socks, but used the gloves.

Takashi

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Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

[Corwin]

Hi Bob -

Given that I live in the San Francisco Bay Area, I don't experience much in 
the way of cold weather. Your mention of the Wim Hof method piqued my 
interest though. I have been practicing the Wim Hof method for many years 
now. I bathe in cold water. I'm a diver, so I wear much a thinner wetsuit 
than others I dive with - and do not wear a hood. When I told Grant about 
the Wim Hof method, he looked at me as though I was crazy. Most of the 
time, I wear no gloves. Occasionally, I will wear a thin pair of silk or 
polypropylene liners.

Namaste,

Corwin

On Saturday, February 6, 2021 at 8:02:12 PM UTC-8 Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:

> I usually wear three layers of wool (baselayer, jersey, jacket) to keep my 
> core warm but still allow for moisture removal so I don't sweat. (If it's 
> well below freezing, then a rain jacket goes on over a baselayer and a 
> sweater.) For my feet, I wear either trail shoes (adding a layer of saran 
> wrap over my toes above my socks) or insulated Merrell winter boots. A wool 
> watch cap covers my ears underneath a helmet, and a pair of softshell 
> gloves with glove liners underneath for my hands. 
>
> But lately I've found that my index fingers get super cold after a while, 
> no matter what I do. I've been doing the Wim Hof Method ice-cold showers 
> this past year, and I've noticed that I can sometimes get Raynaud-like 
> symptoms like Andy Cheatham, so I guess that explains that!
>
> Bob E
> Cranford, NJ
>
>

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Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

[Patrick Moore]

This just in, for fingers. I finally got my Veruskeleta order, containing
among other things a pair of lightly lined leather gloves, IIRC, ex-Stasi
or at least, ex-East German or ex-Soviet-bloc military: very nice, thick,
supple leather, very well stitched, with a single-layer, heavy-ish cloth
lining, and wrist straps. I wear a Medium, bought XL -- about 1/2" gap
between glove and fingertips over bare hands -- for that air gap, which
really does keep your fingertips warmer, and also so I can wear my DeFeet
knit gloves underneath. It all works very well, and the DeFeets + Stasi
gloves still leaves an air gap at fingers' ends, and the combination is as
warm as or warmer than silk glove liners and much more expensive PI lobster
mittens (the kind with 3 finger pouches, not 2). Jackboots on backorder.

---
Patrick Moore
Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum

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Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

I usually wear three layers of wool (baselayer, jersey, jacket) to keep my 
core warm but still allow for moisture removal so I don't sweat. (If it's 
well below freezing, then a rain jacket goes on over a baselayer and a 
sweater.) For my feet, I wear either trail shoes (adding a layer of saran 
wrap over my toes above my socks) or insulated Merrell winter boots. A wool 
watch cap covers my ears underneath a helmet, and a pair of softshell 
gloves with glove liners underneath for my hands. 

But lately I've found that my index fingers get super cold after a while, 
no matter what I do. I've been doing the Wim Hof Method ice-cold showers 
this past year, and I've noticed that I can sometimes get Raynaud-like 
symptoms like Andy Cheatham, so I guess that explains that!

Bob E
Cranford, NJ

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Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

[Sam Kling]

Best trick I know is to add a layer or two to the area just before your 
extremities. i.e., to keep toes warm, add layers to your lower legs. (i.e. 
Long, thick socks and leg warmers.) Same with hands: adding arm warmers to 
your forearms helps keep your fingers warm.

In 10-degree Chicago today, my toes were OK after a couple hours of riding 
in the snow wearing long johns, very thick socks that went up to my knees, 
warm bibs, and neoprene shoe covers. That the socks came up to my knees was 
the key thing, I think.

Sam Kling
Chicago, IL



On Thursday, February 4, 2021 at 5:02:31 PM UTC-6 Roberta wrote:

> I think I love that boot!  I don't read Annie's blog regularly, but I 
> think I might start.  She also sung the praises of a very nice looking coat 
> recently, which was inexpensive, warm and nice looking.
>
> Annie is one on those I follow on IG that has inspired me to "go colder."  
> Mark from NY,  Deacon Patrick from CO, Jason Fuller from Canada, and 
> Takashi from Japan and others (I'm sorry if I haven't mentioned your name, 
> but you are no less special to me) have also unknowingly inspired me to 
> ride in the cold either by incredible posts and pictures here or on IG.  
> All, the same, I'm glad it doesn't snow much here.
>
> I have a pair of LL Bean hunting boots that I thought I'd  wear for more 
> air circulation.  They are also big enough that I can do the double sock 
> option, I think, along with the  vapor barrier idea of Garth's.   Also 
> intriguing are the capsaicin and gaiter suggestions.  I own everything 
> except the gaiters (and those cute LL Bean boots) to be able to do a first 
> run of it.
>
> Roberta
>
> On Thursday, February 4, 2021 at 4:52:30 PM UTC-5 David Person wrote:
>
>> Annie from Annie's Bike blog posted this recently.  She's located in 
>> Vermont, so knows cold.
>>
>>
>> https://anniebikes.blogspot.com/2021/01/my-favorite-winter-cycling-boot-storm.html
>>
>> On Thursday, February 4, 2021 at 11:32:05 AM UTC-8 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>>
>>> I've found that insulated crocs do well in the 40-35 degree zone. Easy 
>>> on, easy off. 
>>> Scott
>>> On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 8:18:21 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Will B and Will D. I have an older pair of the Lake winter shoes 
 (even older than the MXZ303, from looking at the pictures), and they're 
 quite warm I usually have to wear them only a few times each winter, but 
 when I need them, I'm glad I have them. I had a pair of later Lake winter 
 road boots, but didn't like those as much and sold them when I switched to 
 SPDs on my road bikes.

 I know that the neoprene covers are an essential part of the protection 
 system, but I really would prefer a boot without them, with room for 2 
 pairs of wool socks, including an outer, heavier pair, and thickish uppers 
 and a sole with some tread. But then, I rarely have to ride in slush or 
 rain or sleet.

 On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 12:50 PM Will Boericke  
 wrote:

> They are an older model of Shimano shoes.  The current version has 
> some name like MW7.  Lightly insulated, gore-tex, with a neoprene collar. 
>  
>  The collar is the thing that's dying first - rest of the shoe is still 
> going strong.  I wear them every day for my commute (October - April) + 
> cold weather mtb and road duty in the shoulder season.  They are probably 
> 1/2 size larger than my Sidis: extra room for socks and happy warm feet.  
> The only downside (which I think is corrected in the newer model) is that 
> the sole is just plastic.  I have done several headers in them, one 
> notably 
> in my backyard on ice under snow.  Luckily I was wearing my helmet.  Wish 
> I 
> had footage.
>
> When I replace them, I might spring for Lake's winter shoes.  I think 
> they are the ne plus ultra of winter shoes.
>
> Will, keeping feet dry and riding in all temps.
>
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021, 12:42 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Will: Can you describe, or give make and model, of your dedicated 
>> winter bike shoes?
>>
>>
>> Patrick Moore, still hoping for some rideable snow this season, in 
>> ABQ, NM
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 10:39 AM Will Boericke  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dedicated winter bike shoes have been the best money I've spent, 
>>> bike-wise.  Gore-tex and 1/2 size bigger.  Did 2 hours on the mtb in 12 
>>> degrees yesterday, no problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 12:08:14 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 A not-quite-on-topic, and in any case no longer attainable factor 
 in cold weather warmth is youth. Back when I was in my 20s, youthful 
 hot 
 blood, to use another weird Victorian concept, kept me warm in cold 
 weather. During my 5 years in La Ville de Kebek, I did my 4 miles of 
 running 

Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

[Roberta]

I think I love that boot!  I don't read Annie's blog regularly, but I think 
I might start.  She also sung the praises of a very nice looking coat 
recently, which was inexpensive, warm and nice looking.

Annie is one on those I follow on IG that has inspired me to "go colder."  
Mark from NY,  Deacon Patrick from CO, Jason Fuller from Canada, and 
Takashi from Japan and others (I'm sorry if I haven't mentioned your name, 
but you are no less special to me) have also unknowingly inspired me to 
ride in the cold either by incredible posts and pictures here or on IG.  
All, the same, I'm glad it doesn't snow much here.

I have a pair of LL Bean hunting boots that I thought I'd  wear for more 
air circulation.  They are also big enough that I can do the double sock 
option, I think, along with the  vapor barrier idea of Garth's.   Also 
intriguing are the capsaicin and gaiter suggestions.  I own everything 
except the gaiters (and those cute LL Bean boots) to be able to do a first 
run of it.

Roberta

On Thursday, February 4, 2021 at 4:52:30 PM UTC-5 David Person wrote:

> Annie from Annie's Bike blog posted this recently.  She's located in 
> Vermont, so knows cold.
>
>
> https://anniebikes.blogspot.com/2021/01/my-favorite-winter-cycling-boot-storm.html
>
> On Thursday, February 4, 2021 at 11:32:05 AM UTC-8 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>
>> I've found that insulated crocs do well in the 40-35 degree zone. Easy 
>> on, easy off. 
>> Scott
>> On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 8:18:21 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Will B and Will D. I have an older pair of the Lake winter shoes 
>>> (even older than the MXZ303, from looking at the pictures), and they're 
>>> quite warm I usually have to wear them only a few times each winter, but 
>>> when I need them, I'm glad I have them. I had a pair of later Lake winter 
>>> road boots, but didn't like those as much and sold them when I switched to 
>>> SPDs on my road bikes.
>>>
>>> I know that the neoprene covers are an essential part of the protection 
>>> system, but I really would prefer a boot without them, with room for 2 
>>> pairs of wool socks, including an outer, heavier pair, and thickish uppers 
>>> and a sole with some tread. But then, I rarely have to ride in slush or 
>>> rain or sleet.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 12:50 PM Will Boericke  wrote:
>>>
 They are an older model of Shimano shoes.  The current version has some 
 name like MW7.  Lightly insulated, gore-tex, with a neoprene collar.   The 
 collar is the thing that's dying first - rest of the shoe is still going 
 strong.  I wear them every day for my commute (October - April) + cold 
 weather mtb and road duty in the shoulder season.  They are probably 1/2 
 size larger than my Sidis: extra room for socks and happy warm feet.  The 
 only downside (which I think is corrected in the newer model) is that the 
 sole is just plastic.  I have done several headers in them, one notably in 
 my backyard on ice under snow.  Luckily I was wearing my helmet.  Wish I 
 had footage.

 When I replace them, I might spring for Lake's winter shoes.  I think 
 they are the ne plus ultra of winter shoes.

 Will, keeping feet dry and riding in all temps.

 On Mon, Feb 1, 2021, 12:42 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Will: Can you describe, or give make and model, of your dedicated 
> winter bike shoes?
>
>
> Patrick Moore, still hoping for some rideable snow this season, in 
> ABQ, NM
>
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 10:39 AM Will Boericke  
> wrote:
>
>> Dedicated winter bike shoes have been the best money I've spent, 
>> bike-wise.  Gore-tex and 1/2 size bigger.  Did 2 hours on the mtb in 12 
>> degrees yesterday, no problem.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 12:08:14 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> A not-quite-on-topic, and in any case no longer attainable factor in 
>>> cold weather warmth is youth. Back when I was in my 20s, youthful hot 
>>> blood, to use another weird Victorian concept, kept me warm in cold 
>>> weather. During my 5 years in La Ville de Kebek, I did my 4 miles of 
>>> running outside in temps as low as -17*F (the high on the coldest day I 
>>> ran; I went X-country skiiing at 20 below or lower), and my kit was 
>>> poor-grad-student cheap: regular running shoes over thick wool socks 
>>> from 
>>> some sort of Eastern Canadian chain store, thin, cotton Kmart sweat 
>>> pants, 
>>> and cotton T shirt under cheap ditto cotton sweatshirt under high 
>>> quality 
>>> but very old anorak with peeling water barrier, plus acrylic scarf and 
>>> *toque,* and cheap fleece-lined leather work gloves. I only ever 
>>> felt cold on that -17* high day; on most days, I'd peel off scarf and 
>>> open 
>>> anorak zipper halfway through my 4 miles, running, not jogging. 
>>> Interesting, I 

Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

[David Person]

Annie from Annie's Bike blog posted this recently.  She's located in 
Vermont, so knows cold.

https://anniebikes.blogspot.com/2021/01/my-favorite-winter-cycling-boot-storm.html

On Thursday, February 4, 2021 at 11:32:05 AM UTC-8 greenteadrinkers wrote:

> I've found that insulated crocs do well in the 40-35 degree zone. Easy on, 
> easy off. 
> Scott
> On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 8:18:21 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Thanks Will B and Will D. I have an older pair of the Lake winter shoes 
>> (even older than the MXZ303, from looking at the pictures), and they're 
>> quite warm I usually have to wear them only a few times each winter, but 
>> when I need them, I'm glad I have them. I had a pair of later Lake winter 
>> road boots, but didn't like those as much and sold them when I switched to 
>> SPDs on my road bikes.
>>
>> I know that the neoprene covers are an essential part of the protection 
>> system, but I really would prefer a boot without them, with room for 2 
>> pairs of wool socks, including an outer, heavier pair, and thickish uppers 
>> and a sole with some tread. But then, I rarely have to ride in slush or 
>> rain or sleet.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 12:50 PM Will Boericke  wrote:
>>
>>> They are an older model of Shimano shoes.  The current version has some 
>>> name like MW7.  Lightly insulated, gore-tex, with a neoprene collar.   The 
>>> collar is the thing that's dying first - rest of the shoe is still going 
>>> strong.  I wear them every day for my commute (October - April) + cold 
>>> weather mtb and road duty in the shoulder season.  They are probably 1/2 
>>> size larger than my Sidis: extra room for socks and happy warm feet.  The 
>>> only downside (which I think is corrected in the newer model) is that the 
>>> sole is just plastic.  I have done several headers in them, one notably in 
>>> my backyard on ice under snow.  Luckily I was wearing my helmet.  Wish I 
>>> had footage.
>>>
>>> When I replace them, I might spring for Lake's winter shoes.  I think 
>>> they are the ne plus ultra of winter shoes.
>>>
>>> Will, keeping feet dry and riding in all temps.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021, 12:42 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 Will: Can you describe, or give make and model, of your dedicated 
 winter bike shoes?


 Patrick Moore, still hoping for some rideable snow this season, in ABQ, 
 NM

 On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 10:39 AM Will Boericke  
 wrote:

> Dedicated winter bike shoes have been the best money I've spent, 
> bike-wise.  Gore-tex and 1/2 size bigger.  Did 2 hours on the mtb in 12 
> degrees yesterday, no problem.
>
>
>
> On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 12:08:14 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> A not-quite-on-topic, and in any case no longer attainable factor in 
>> cold weather warmth is youth. Back when I was in my 20s, youthful hot 
>> blood, to use another weird Victorian concept, kept me warm in cold 
>> weather. During my 5 years in La Ville de Kebek, I did my 4 miles of 
>> running outside in temps as low as -17*F (the high on the coldest day I 
>> ran; I went X-country skiiing at 20 below or lower), and my kit was 
>> poor-grad-student cheap: regular running shoes over thick wool socks 
>> from 
>> some sort of Eastern Canadian chain store, thin, cotton Kmart sweat 
>> pants, 
>> and cotton T shirt under cheap ditto cotton sweatshirt under high 
>> quality 
>> but very old anorak with peeling water barrier, plus acrylic scarf and 
>> *toque,* and cheap fleece-lined leather work gloves. I only ever 
>> felt cold on that -17* high day; on most days, I'd peel off scarf and 
>> open 
>> anorak zipper halfway through my 4 miles, running, not jogging. 
>> Interesting, I always felt more energetic on very cold days; I guess the 
>> body expends little energy in heat dissipation when it's well below 
>> freezing (temps when snow feels like dense styrofoam). My puny youthful 
>> moustache would be entirely encased in a chrysalis of ice (this was late 
>> '70s and early '80s).
>>
>>
>>
>> ---
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>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

[greenteadrinkers]

I've found that insulated crocs do well in the 40-35 degree zone. Easy on, 
easy off. 
Scott
On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 8:18:21 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks Will B and Will D. I have an older pair of the Lake winter shoes 
> (even older than the MXZ303, from looking at the pictures), and they're 
> quite warm I usually have to wear them only a few times each winter, but 
> when I need them, I'm glad I have them. I had a pair of later Lake winter 
> road boots, but didn't like those as much and sold them when I switched to 
> SPDs on my road bikes.
>
> I know that the neoprene covers are an essential part of the protection 
> system, but I really would prefer a boot without them, with room for 2 
> pairs of wool socks, including an outer, heavier pair, and thickish uppers 
> and a sole with some tread. But then, I rarely have to ride in slush or 
> rain or sleet.
>
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 12:50 PM Will Boericke  wrote:
>
>> They are an older model of Shimano shoes.  The current version has some 
>> name like MW7.  Lightly insulated, gore-tex, with a neoprene collar.   The 
>> collar is the thing that's dying first - rest of the shoe is still going 
>> strong.  I wear them every day for my commute (October - April) + cold 
>> weather mtb and road duty in the shoulder season.  They are probably 1/2 
>> size larger than my Sidis: extra room for socks and happy warm feet.  The 
>> only downside (which I think is corrected in the newer model) is that the 
>> sole is just plastic.  I have done several headers in them, one notably in 
>> my backyard on ice under snow.  Luckily I was wearing my helmet.  Wish I 
>> had footage.
>>
>> When I replace them, I might spring for Lake's winter shoes.  I think 
>> they are the ne plus ultra of winter shoes.
>>
>> Will, keeping feet dry and riding in all temps.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021, 12:42 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> Will: Can you describe, or give make and model, of your dedicated winter 
>>> bike shoes?
>>>
>>>
>>> Patrick Moore, still hoping for some rideable snow this season, in ABQ, 
>>> NM
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 10:39 AM Will Boericke  wrote:
>>>
 Dedicated winter bike shoes have been the best money I've spent, 
 bike-wise.  Gore-tex and 1/2 size bigger.  Did 2 hours on the mtb in 12 
 degrees yesterday, no problem.



 On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 12:08:14 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> A not-quite-on-topic, and in any case no longer attainable factor in 
> cold weather warmth is youth. Back when I was in my 20s, youthful hot 
> blood, to use another weird Victorian concept, kept me warm in cold 
> weather. During my 5 years in La Ville de Kebek, I did my 4 miles of 
> running outside in temps as low as -17*F (the high on the coldest day I 
> ran; I went X-country skiiing at 20 below or lower), and my kit was 
> poor-grad-student cheap: regular running shoes over thick wool socks from 
> some sort of Eastern Canadian chain store, thin, cotton Kmart sweat 
> pants, 
> and cotton T shirt under cheap ditto cotton sweatshirt under high quality 
> but very old anorak with peeling water barrier, plus acrylic scarf and 
> *toque,* and cheap fleece-lined leather work gloves. I only ever felt 
> cold on that -17* high day; on most days, I'd peel off scarf and open 
> anorak zipper halfway through my 4 miles, running, not jogging. 
> Interesting, I always felt more energetic on very cold days; I guess the 
> body expends little energy in heat dissipation when it's well below 
> freezing (temps when snow feels like dense styrofoam). My puny youthful 
> moustache would be entirely encased in a chrysalis of ice (this was late 
> '70s and early '80s).
>
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks Will B and Will D. I have an older pair of the Lake winter shoes
(even older than the MXZ303, from looking at the pictures), and they're
quite warm I usually have to wear them only a few times each winter, but
when I need them, I'm glad I have them. I had a pair of later Lake winter
road boots, but didn't like those as much and sold them when I switched to
SPDs on my road bikes.

I know that the neoprene covers are an essential part of the protection
system, but I really would prefer a boot without them, with room for 2
pairs of wool socks, including an outer, heavier pair, and thickish uppers
and a sole with some tread. But then, I rarely have to ride in slush or
rain or sleet.

On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 12:50 PM Will Boericke  wrote:

> They are an older model of Shimano shoes.  The current version has some
> name like MW7.  Lightly insulated, gore-tex, with a neoprene collar.   The
> collar is the thing that's dying first - rest of the shoe is still going
> strong.  I wear them every day for my commute (October - April) + cold
> weather mtb and road duty in the shoulder season.  They are probably 1/2
> size larger than my Sidis: extra room for socks and happy warm feet.  The
> only downside (which I think is corrected in the newer model) is that the
> sole is just plastic.  I have done several headers in them, one notably in
> my backyard on ice under snow.  Luckily I was wearing my helmet.  Wish I
> had footage.
>
> When I replace them, I might spring for Lake's winter shoes.  I think they
> are the ne plus ultra of winter shoes.
>
> Will, keeping feet dry and riding in all temps.
>
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021, 12:42 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Will: Can you describe, or give make and model, of your dedicated winter
>> bike shoes?
>>
>>
>> Patrick Moore, still hoping for some rideable snow this season, in ABQ, NM
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 10:39 AM Will Boericke 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dedicated winter bike shoes have been the best money I've spent,
>>> bike-wise.  Gore-tex and 1/2 size bigger.  Did 2 hours on the mtb in 12
>>> degrees yesterday, no problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 12:08:14 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 A not-quite-on-topic, and in any case no longer attainable factor in
 cold weather warmth is youth. Back when I was in my 20s, youthful hot
 blood, to use another weird Victorian concept, kept me warm in cold
 weather. During my 5 years in La Ville de Kebek, I did my 4 miles of
 running outside in temps as low as -17*F (the high on the coldest day I
 ran; I went X-country skiiing at 20 below or lower), and my kit was
 poor-grad-student cheap: regular running shoes over thick wool socks from
 some sort of Eastern Canadian chain store, thin, cotton Kmart sweat pants,
 and cotton T shirt under cheap ditto cotton sweatshirt under high quality
 but very old anorak with peeling water barrier, plus acrylic scarf and
 *toque,* and cheap fleece-lined leather work gloves. I only ever felt
 cold on that -17* high day; on most days, I'd peel off scarf and open
 anorak zipper halfway through my 4 miles, running, not jogging.
 Interesting, I always felt more energetic on very cold days; I guess the
 body expends little energy in heat dissipation when it's well below
 freezing (temps when snow feels like dense styrofoam). My puny youthful
 moustache would be entirely encased in a chrysalis of ice (this was late
 '70s and early '80s).


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Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

[ascpgh]

That's very similar to (and OTC) of the effect the rheumatologist mentioned 
to me. Will have to try. Seems very similar to some embrocades commonly 
used by racers facing less than optimal weather conditions.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 5:06:05 PM UTC-5 Robert Hakim wrote:

> An interesting tidbit that I just learned about today from a telemark 
> skiing forum:
>
> Capsaicin cream on your feet under socks. Theoretically the capsaicin will 
> help dilate blood vessels, increasing blood flow and warming those toes. 
> Maybe a bit of a 'warming' effect from the effects of the peppers 
> themselves too? 
>
> I haven't tried it yet, but I do love spicy things... 
>
> -Robert
>
> On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 4:00:30 PM UTC-5 wboe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Will deR,
>>
>> Can you tell me about the fit of the Lakes?  I like to get a little big 
>> for a winter shoe, but not sure how their fit compares to normal bike 
>> shoes.  My Shimanos are 44, Sidis are 43.  I'm generally a solid 9 1/2, 
>> with average width feet.  Thanks!
>>
>> Other Will, near Boston
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 3:15 PM William deRosset  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> >Will: Can you describe, or give make and model, of your dedicated 
>>> winter bike shoes?
>>>
>>> Dear Patrick,
>>>
>>> Not directed to me, and I have an answer:
>>>
>>> Assuming you use SPD pedals, I recommend Lake MXZ304s. Not inexpensive.
>>>
>>> I actually own the now-discontinued MXZ303, which differs very slightly 
>>> from the 304: they relocated the ratcheting dial closure to make it less 
>>> likely to be bumped a couple of years ago.  When new, they were overkill at 
>>> peri-freezing temperatures. Now, with time (I got them sometime around 
>>> 2012), heavy seasonal use, and my own advancing age/worsening Reynauds, I 
>>> use them starting around 40degF and will eventually get chilly feet below 
>>> about 12degF when otherwise properly outfitted. I use chemical warmers for 
>>> rides at or below about 10degF as a result. I wear a 46 wide and find 
>>> plenty of room for my (low-volume but pretty wide) forefoot and a pair of 
>>> thick ragg wool socks. 
>>>
>>>  Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Will
>>> William M. deRosset
>>> Fort Collins, CO
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 10:42:21 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
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Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

[Robert Hakim]

An interesting tidbit that I just learned about today from a telemark 
skiing forum:

Capsaicin cream on your feet under socks. Theoretically the capsaicin will 
help dilate blood vessels, increasing blood flow and warming those toes. 
Maybe a bit of a 'warming' effect from the effects of the peppers 
themselves too? 

I haven't tried it yet, but I do love spicy things... 

-Robert

On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 4:00:30 PM UTC-5 wboe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Will deR,
>
> Can you tell me about the fit of the Lakes?  I like to get a little big 
> for a winter shoe, but not sure how their fit compares to normal bike 
> shoes.  My Shimanos are 44, Sidis are 43.  I'm generally a solid 9 1/2, 
> with average width feet.  Thanks!
>
> Other Will, near Boston
>
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 3:15 PM William deRosset  
> wrote:
>
>> >Will: Can you describe, or give make and model, of your dedicated winter 
>> bike shoes?
>>
>> Dear Patrick,
>>
>> Not directed to me, and I have an answer:
>>
>> Assuming you use SPD pedals, I recommend Lake MXZ304s. Not inexpensive.
>>
>> I actually own the now-discontinued MXZ303, which differs very slightly 
>> from the 304: they relocated the ratcheting dial closure to make it less 
>> likely to be bumped a couple of years ago.  When new, they were overkill at 
>> peri-freezing temperatures. Now, with time (I got them sometime around 
>> 2012), heavy seasonal use, and my own advancing age/worsening Reynauds, I 
>> use them starting around 40degF and will eventually get chilly feet below 
>> about 12degF when otherwise properly outfitted. I use chemical warmers for 
>> rides at or below about 10degF as a result. I wear a 46 wide and find 
>> plenty of room for my (low-volume but pretty wide) forefoot and a pair of 
>> thick ragg wool socks. 
>>
>>  Best Regards,
>>
>> Will
>> William M. deRosset
>> Fort Collins, CO
>>
>>
>> On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 10:42:21 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
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Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

[Will Boericke]

Will deR,

Can you tell me about the fit of the Lakes?  I like to get a little big for
a winter shoe, but not sure how their fit compares to normal bike shoes.
My Shimanos are 44, Sidis are 43.  I'm generally a solid 9 1/2, with
average width feet.  Thanks!

Other Will, near Boston

On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 3:15 PM William deRosset 
wrote:

> >Will: Can you describe, or give make and model, of your dedicated winter
> bike shoes?
>
> Dear Patrick,
>
> Not directed to me, and I have an answer:
>
> Assuming you use SPD pedals, I recommend Lake MXZ304s. Not inexpensive.
>
> I actually own the now-discontinued MXZ303, which differs very slightly
> from the 304: they relocated the ratcheting dial closure to make it less
> likely to be bumped a couple of years ago.  When new, they were overkill at
> peri-freezing temperatures. Now, with time (I got them sometime around
> 2012), heavy seasonal use, and my own advancing age/worsening Reynauds, I
> use them starting around 40degF and will eventually get chilly feet below
> about 12degF when otherwise properly outfitted. I use chemical warmers for
> rides at or below about 10degF as a result. I wear a 46 wide and find
> plenty of room for my (low-volume but pretty wide) forefoot and a pair of
> thick ragg wool socks.
>
>  Best Regards,
>
> Will
> William M. deRosset
> Fort Collins, CO
>
>
> On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 10:42:21 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
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Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

[William deRosset]

>Will: Can you describe, or give make and model, of your dedicated winter 
bike shoes?

Dear Patrick,

Not directed to me, and I have an answer:

Assuming you use SPD pedals, I recommend Lake MXZ304s. Not inexpensive.

I actually own the now-discontinued MXZ303, which differs very slightly 
from the 304: they relocated the ratcheting dial closure to make it less 
likely to be bumped a couple of years ago.  When new, they were overkill at 
peri-freezing temperatures. Now, with time (I got them sometime around 
2012), heavy seasonal use, and my own advancing age/worsening Reynauds, I 
use them starting around 40degF and will eventually get chilly feet below 
about 12degF when otherwise properly outfitted. I use chemical warmers for 
rides at or below about 10degF as a result. I wear a 46 wide and find 
plenty of room for my (low-volume but pretty wide) forefoot and a pair of 
thick ragg wool socks. 

 Best Regards,

Will
William M. deRosset
Fort Collins, CO


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Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

[Will Boericke]

They are an older model of Shimano shoes.  The current version has some
name like MW7.  Lightly insulated, gore-tex, with a neoprene collar.   The
collar is the thing that's dying first - rest of the shoe is still going
strong.  I wear them every day for my commute (October - April) + cold
weather mtb and road duty in the shoulder season.  They are probably 1/2
size larger than my Sidis: extra room for socks and happy warm feet.  The
only downside (which I think is corrected in the newer model) is that the
sole is just plastic.  I have done several headers in them, one notably in
my backyard on ice under snow.  Luckily I was wearing my helmet.  Wish I
had footage.

When I replace them, I might spring for Lake's winter shoes.  I think they
are the ne plus ultra of winter shoes.

Will, keeping feet dry and riding in all temps.

On Mon, Feb 1, 2021, 12:42 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Will: Can you describe, or give make and model, of your dedicated winter
> bike shoes?
>
>
> Patrick Moore, still hoping for some rideable snow this season, in ABQ, NM
>
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 10:39 AM Will Boericke  wrote:
>
>> Dedicated winter bike shoes have been the best money I've spent,
>> bike-wise.  Gore-tex and 1/2 size bigger.  Did 2 hours on the mtb in 12
>> degrees yesterday, no problem.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 12:08:14 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> A not-quite-on-topic, and in any case no longer attainable factor in
>>> cold weather warmth is youth. Back when I was in my 20s, youthful hot
>>> blood, to use another weird Victorian concept, kept me warm in cold
>>> weather. During my 5 years in La Ville de Kebek, I did my 4 miles of
>>> running outside in temps as low as -17*F (the high on the coldest day I
>>> ran; I went X-country skiiing at 20 below or lower), and my kit was
>>> poor-grad-student cheap: regular running shoes over thick wool socks from
>>> some sort of Eastern Canadian chain store, thin, cotton Kmart sweat pants,
>>> and cotton T shirt under cheap ditto cotton sweatshirt under high quality
>>> but very old anorak with peeling water barrier, plus acrylic scarf and
>>> *toque,* and cheap fleece-lined leather work gloves. I only ever felt
>>> cold on that -17* high day; on most days, I'd peel off scarf and open
>>> anorak zipper halfway through my 4 miles, running, not jogging.
>>> Interesting, I always felt more energetic on very cold days; I guess the
>>> body expends little energy in heat dissipation when it's well below
>>> freezing (temps when snow feels like dense styrofoam). My puny youthful
>>> moustache would be entirely encased in a chrysalis of ice (this was late
>>> '70s and early '80s).
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Patrick Moore
>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

[Jason Fuller]

I find that my Blundstones (double layer model) with cotton socks are good 
to about 35F, and then if I wear wool socks they're good to 25F.  They're 
surprisingly water resistant too, takes at least an hour of steady rain 
before my feet start to get wet, and even then they never end up soaked.  
They're all I wear in colder weather 

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Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

[rltilley]

I wear sandals when it’s wet/cold. I use Sealskinz waterproof socks with 
however many layer of wool socks I need underneath. 
My feet do sweat but they are warm. I have not SPD sandals and standard sandals 
depending on the bike I grab. Sandals are good because they have enough 
adjustability to allow you to add layers on your feet without being too tight. 

We recently went snowmobiling in Montana/Wyoming and the temps dipped below 
zero which is cold for a SoCal native. In those conditions I did ok but did 
have issues with my feet despite wearing some thick socks and boots that had a 
liner that was supposed to radiate heat back at my feet. Two heat packs in each 
boot solved the problem.

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA

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> On Jan 31, 2021, at 10:27 PM, Roberta  wrote:
> 
> 
> Inspired by the wonderful cold weather rides and pics recently (and others, 
> too, on Instagram), I decided I should not stop riding just because the 
> temperature is below 60*.  Yes, you read that right.  Pre-Riv, when the 
> weather got below 60*, I’d stop riding because it was “too cold.”
> 
> Well, I’ve learned a lot here in the last 3 ½ years.  Last year, I rode when 
> it was in the 40’s.  Yesterday and today, I was out in 32* and 27* 
> temperatures, respectively, and it was glorious!  I finally learned how to 
> dress properly for cold weather riding.  There were less crowds on the trail 
> and I was more comfortable than when it’s in the 90’s.
> 
> I highly recommend it!
> 
> Also, how do you keep your toes warm?  It was the only cold part of my body.  
> I was wearing leather sneakers and cotton socks (only because I couldn't find 
> my wool ones).  Winter temps usually don't often go below 30*.
> Roberta
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Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

[Patrick Moore]

Will: Can you describe, or give make and model, of your dedicated winter
bike shoes?


Patrick Moore, still hoping for some rideable snow this season, in ABQ, NM

On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 10:39 AM Will Boericke  wrote:

> Dedicated winter bike shoes have been the best money I've spent,
> bike-wise.  Gore-tex and 1/2 size bigger.  Did 2 hours on the mtb in 12
> degrees yesterday, no problem.
>
>
>
> On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 12:08:14 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> A not-quite-on-topic, and in any case no longer attainable factor in cold
>> weather warmth is youth. Back when I was in my 20s, youthful hot blood, to
>> use another weird Victorian concept, kept me warm in cold weather. During
>> my 5 years in La Ville de Kebek, I did my 4 miles of running outside in
>> temps as low as -17*F (the high on the coldest day I ran; I went X-country
>> skiiing at 20 below or lower), and my kit was poor-grad-student cheap:
>> regular running shoes over thick wool socks from some sort of Eastern
>> Canadian chain store, thin, cotton Kmart sweat pants, and cotton T shirt
>> under cheap ditto cotton sweatshirt under high quality but very old anorak
>> with peeling water barrier, plus acrylic scarf and *toque,* and cheap
>> fleece-lined leather work gloves. I only ever felt cold on that -17* high
>> day; on most days, I'd peel off scarf and open anorak zipper halfway
>> through my 4 miles, running, not jogging. Interesting, I always felt more
>> energetic on very cold days; I guess the body expends little energy in heat
>> dissipation when it's well below freezing (temps when snow feels like dense
>> styrofoam). My puny youthful moustache would be entirely encased in a
>> chrysalis of ice (this was late '70s and early '80s).
>>
>>
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>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

[Will Boericke]

Dedicated winter bike shoes have been the best money I've spent, 
bike-wise.  Gore-tex and 1/2 size bigger.  Did 2 hours on the mtb in 12 
degrees yesterday, no problem.



On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 12:08:14 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> A not-quite-on-topic, and in any case no longer attainable factor in cold 
> weather warmth is youth. Back when I was in my 20s, youthful hot blood, to 
> use another weird Victorian concept, kept me warm in cold weather. During 
> my 5 years in La Ville de Kebek, I did my 4 miles of running outside in 
> temps as low as -17*F (the high on the coldest day I ran; I went X-country 
> skiiing at 20 below or lower), and my kit was poor-grad-student cheap: 
> regular running shoes over thick wool socks from some sort of Eastern 
> Canadian chain store, thin, cotton Kmart sweat pants, and cotton T shirt 
> under cheap ditto cotton sweatshirt under high quality but very old anorak 
> with peeling water barrier, plus acrylic scarf and *toque,* and cheap 
> fleece-lined leather work gloves. I only ever felt cold on that -17* high 
> day; on most days, I'd peel off scarf and open anorak zipper halfway 
> through my 4 miles, running, not jogging. Interesting, I always felt more 
> energetic on very cold days; I guess the body expends little energy in heat 
> dissipation when it's well below freezing (temps when snow feels like dense 
> styrofoam). My puny youthful moustache would be entirely encased in a 
> chrysalis of ice (this was late '70s and early '80s).
>
>
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

[Patrick Moore]

A not-quite-on-topic, and in any case no longer attainable factor in cold
weather warmth is youth. Back when I was in my 20s, youthful hot blood, to
use another weird Victorian concept, kept me warm in cold weather. During
my 5 years in La Ville de Kebek, I did my 4 miles of running outside in
temps as low as -17*F (the high on the coldest day I ran; I went X-country
skiiing at 20 below or lower), and my kit was poor-grad-student cheap:
regular running shoes over thick wool socks from some sort of Eastern
Canadian chain store, thin, cotton Kmart sweat pants, and cotton T shirt
under cheap ditto cotton sweatshirt under high quality but very old anorak
with peeling water barrier, plus acrylic scarf and *toque,* and cheap
fleece-lined leather work gloves. I only ever felt cold on that -17* high
day; on most days, I'd peel off scarf and open anorak zipper halfway
through my 4 miles, running, not jogging. Interesting, I always felt more
energetic on very cold days; I guess the body expends little energy in heat
dissipation when it's well below freezing (temps when snow feels like dense
styrofoam). My puny youthful moustache would be entirely encased in a
chrysalis of ice (this was late '70s and early '80s).


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Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

[Roberta]

All great information.  I'll be reading more carefully tonight.

For me the turning point from only riding in daylight in warm temps,  was 
getting Dyno lighting and wearing a wind breaker under my jacket. 

Andy, take care of those fingers (I know you do)!


On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 11:52:12 AM UTC-5 Pete B wrote:

> As Patrick says, roomy shoes and air pockets. The other things help -- 
> boots, toe covers, warmers, extra socks. But only if there is space for 
> warm air around my fingers and toes to begin with. Wearing wool tights or 
> pants also helps keep the blood warm on the way to and fro.
>
> This winter I've been wearing Wiggy's lamilite socks and wool tights down 
> to about 30 degrees with just a pair of Five-Tens and that seems to be good 
> for 1-3 hour rides. I like hiking boots for short rides 25 degrees or below.
>
> For fingers, I like wearing thin synthetic gloves inside thick fleece 
> gloves. When it's really cold in the mid-Atlantic it's usually dry as well 
> so I find a shell isn't needed and my hands breathe better without them. If 
> there is freezing or cold rain on the ride home from work I have a pair of 
> cheap elastic overmitts. They're ok but I find it hard to ride in mittens 
> and these leak at the seams in a heavy rain and don't breathe well. But for 
> the 5-6 times a year I wear them it's fine. If it were much colder here I'd 
> get bar mitts.
>
> Pete
> Arlington, VA
>
> On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 11:32:50 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Oh oh! When you buy gloves, buy them at least 1 and perhaps 2 sizes too 
>> big, to keep air pockets at the ends of the fingers when hands are clasped 
>> around bar and control surfaces. This really, really makes a huge 
>> difference in finger comfort.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 9:16 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, wool socks and roomy shoes. I ride down to the upper teens, and I've 
>>> used all sorts of wool socks, from bulky utility socks from Canadian chain 
>>> stores to wool dress socks; presently REI's generic merino socks that are 
>>> mid weight but thin enough to fit in my summer bike shoes. Really, though, 
>>> I should have a winter pair of shoes a size larger so that I can get 2 
>>> pairs of socks, thin liner and the wool socks under the shoe without 
>>> pinching -- pinching cuts of blood flow and makes your feet cold. 
>>>
>>> My strategies depend on temperature and time outside. For real cold -- I 
>>> ride down to the upper teens -- and for longer rides, say over an hour, I 
>>> have a pair of Lake winter boots that I wear over a pair of those REI 
>>> socks; they're fine for 2-3 hours outside, especially as you warm up as you 
>>> ride and, even more around here in the high desert, temperatures rise so 
>>> fast once the sun comes up. But for real cold, I do recommend a pair of 
>>> specifically designed winter shoes.
>>>
>>> For temps down to the upper 20s, if I'm going to be outside for no more 
>>> than an hour, my regular summer shoes are alright, with the REI socks; but 
>>> I place between sock and shoe a cut-down bread bag -- ie, heavier plastic 
>>> -- as a wind break. My feet will often sweat, so this is useful only if you 
>>> will not stop mid ride for any length of time.
>>>
>>> My problem with cold is more my hands. I've got a pair of nice PI 
>>> lobster gloves with 3 compartments for 2 fingers each plus thumb; this is 
>>> better than the other design, with 4 fingers, then fore finger, then thumb; 
>>> but not as warm as a mitten; but it gives better control of shifters and 
>>> brakes. I find tightly woven DeFeet knit gloves find down to the upper 30s, 
>>> insert thin silk liners down to about 30, below that use the lobsters with 
>>> or without silks, and finally, have a pair of Outdoor Research mitts to go 
>>> over thick wool mittens. Not very good for brake levers and shifters, but 
>>> then when it gets cold enough for this, I limit my time outdoors.
>>>
>>> Ears also suffer. Faux Peruvian wool or acrylic caps work well; mine 
>>> came from Target. Less dorky is the fleece-lined Highway Patrol-type winter 
>>> had from the movie *Fargo* without a badge that has fleece-lined ear 
>>> covers on flaps that velcro under your chin. Or, I use a lycra balaclava 
>>> under a PI or Walz winter cycling cap. On yesterday's ride to church in the 
>>> low 20s I used the PI under the Leatt jacket's hood, since the hood cinches 
>>> tight to keep it close to your face (to allow you too see sideways), and 
>>> the cap's brim keeps the hood from your eyes when you turn your head. 
>>>
>>> Note: I suffer from what our Victorian ancestors would have called a 
>>> "weak throat:" I easily get sore throats. So I am very careful to wrap my 
>>> neck when temps get below 50*F. I use either a wool scarf cut in half 
>>> longitudinally by a tailor, or a zip-up neck on my Ibex or other cycling 
>>> vests, or a Buff neck gaiter. I find that this really does prevent sore 
>>> throats and, in fact, I 

Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

[Pete B]

As Patrick says, roomy shoes and air pockets. The other things help -- 
boots, toe covers, warmers, extra socks. But only if there is space for 
warm air around my fingers and toes to begin with. Wearing wool tights or 
pants also helps keep the blood warm on the way to and fro.

This winter I've been wearing Wiggy's lamilite socks and wool tights down 
to about 30 degrees with just a pair of Five-Tens and that seems to be good 
for 1-3 hour rides. I like hiking boots for short rides 25 degrees or below.

For fingers, I like wearing thin synthetic gloves inside thick fleece 
gloves. When it's really cold in the mid-Atlantic it's usually dry as well 
so I find a shell isn't needed and my hands breathe better without them. If 
there is freezing or cold rain on the ride home from work I have a pair of 
cheap elastic overmitts. They're ok but I find it hard to ride in mittens 
and these leak at the seams in a heavy rain and don't breathe well. But for 
the 5-6 times a year I wear them it's fine. If it were much colder here I'd 
get bar mitts.

Pete
Arlington, VA

On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 11:32:50 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Oh oh! When you buy gloves, buy them at least 1 and perhaps 2 sizes too 
> big, to keep air pockets at the ends of the fingers when hands are clasped 
> around bar and control surfaces. This really, really makes a huge 
> difference in finger comfort.
>
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 9:16 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Oh, wool socks and roomy shoes. I ride down to the upper teens, and I've 
>> used all sorts of wool socks, from bulky utility socks from Canadian chain 
>> stores to wool dress socks; presently REI's generic merino socks that are 
>> mid weight but thin enough to fit in my summer bike shoes. Really, though, 
>> I should have a winter pair of shoes a size larger so that I can get 2 
>> pairs of socks, thin liner and the wool socks under the shoe without 
>> pinching -- pinching cuts of blood flow and makes your feet cold. 
>>
>> My strategies depend on temperature and time outside. For real cold -- I 
>> ride down to the upper teens -- and for longer rides, say over an hour, I 
>> have a pair of Lake winter boots that I wear over a pair of those REI 
>> socks; they're fine for 2-3 hours outside, especially as you warm up as you 
>> ride and, even more around here in the high desert, temperatures rise so 
>> fast once the sun comes up. But for real cold, I do recommend a pair of 
>> specifically designed winter shoes.
>>
>> For temps down to the upper 20s, if I'm going to be outside for no more 
>> than an hour, my regular summer shoes are alright, with the REI socks; but 
>> I place between sock and shoe a cut-down bread bag -- ie, heavier plastic 
>> -- as a wind break. My feet will often sweat, so this is useful only if you 
>> will not stop mid ride for any length of time.
>>
>> My problem with cold is more my hands. I've got a pair of nice PI lobster 
>> gloves with 3 compartments for 2 fingers each plus thumb; this is better 
>> than the other design, with 4 fingers, then fore finger, then thumb; but 
>> not as warm as a mitten; but it gives better control of shifters and 
>> brakes. I find tightly woven DeFeet knit gloves find down to the upper 30s, 
>> insert thin silk liners down to about 30, below that use the lobsters with 
>> or without silks, and finally, have a pair of Outdoor Research mitts to go 
>> over thick wool mittens. Not very good for brake levers and shifters, but 
>> then when it gets cold enough for this, I limit my time outdoors.
>>
>> Ears also suffer. Faux Peruvian wool or acrylic caps work well; mine came 
>> from Target. Less dorky is the fleece-lined Highway Patrol-type winter had 
>> from the movie *Fargo* without a badge that has fleece-lined ear covers 
>> on flaps that velcro under your chin. Or, I use a lycra balaclava under a 
>> PI or Walz winter cycling cap. On yesterday's ride to church in the low 20s 
>> I used the PI under the Leatt jacket's hood, since the hood cinches tight 
>> to keep it close to your face (to allow you too see sideways), and the 
>> cap's brim keeps the hood from your eyes when you turn your head. 
>>
>> Note: I suffer from what our Victorian ancestors would have called a 
>> "weak throat:" I easily get sore throats. So I am very careful to wrap my 
>> neck when temps get below 50*F. I use either a wool scarf cut in half 
>> longitudinally by a tailor, or a zip-up neck on my Ibex or other cycling 
>> vests, or a Buff neck gaiter. I find that this really does prevent sore 
>> throats and, in fact, I wrap my neck in a wool scarf while at home in 
>> winter; wrapping the neck in wool has cured, or at least removed, incipient 
>> sore throats, modern germ theory be damned. (I mean: I believe in germs and 
>> methods to fight them, but I am hardly confident that modern medical theory 
>> explains absolutely everything about human health, since acupuncture and 
>> *traditional* Chinese herbs cured my heart arrhymia 

Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

[Patrick Moore]

Oh oh! When you buy gloves, buy them at least 1 and perhaps 2 sizes too
big, to keep air pockets at the ends of the fingers when hands are clasped
around bar and control surfaces. This really, really makes a huge
difference in finger comfort.

On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 9:16 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Oh, wool socks and roomy shoes. I ride down to the upper teens, and I've
> used all sorts of wool socks, from bulky utility socks from Canadian chain
> stores to wool dress socks; presently REI's generic merino socks that are
> mid weight but thin enough to fit in my summer bike shoes. Really, though,
> I should have a winter pair of shoes a size larger so that I can get 2
> pairs of socks, thin liner and the wool socks under the shoe without
> pinching -- pinching cuts of blood flow and makes your feet cold.
>
> My strategies depend on temperature and time outside. For real cold -- I
> ride down to the upper teens -- and for longer rides, say over an hour, I
> have a pair of Lake winter boots that I wear over a pair of those REI
> socks; they're fine for 2-3 hours outside, especially as you warm up as you
> ride and, even more around here in the high desert, temperatures rise so
> fast once the sun comes up. But for real cold, I do recommend a pair of
> specifically designed winter shoes.
>
> For temps down to the upper 20s, if I'm going to be outside for no more
> than an hour, my regular summer shoes are alright, with the REI socks; but
> I place between sock and shoe a cut-down bread bag -- ie, heavier plastic
> -- as a wind break. My feet will often sweat, so this is useful only if you
> will not stop mid ride for any length of time.
>
> My problem with cold is more my hands. I've got a pair of nice PI lobster
> gloves with 3 compartments for 2 fingers each plus thumb; this is better
> than the other design, with 4 fingers, then fore finger, then thumb; but
> not as warm as a mitten; but it gives better control of shifters and
> brakes. I find tightly woven DeFeet knit gloves find down to the upper 30s,
> insert thin silk liners down to about 30, below that use the lobsters with
> or without silks, and finally, have a pair of Outdoor Research mitts to go
> over thick wool mittens. Not very good for brake levers and shifters, but
> then when it gets cold enough for this, I limit my time outdoors.
>
> Ears also suffer. Faux Peruvian wool or acrylic caps work well; mine came
> from Target. Less dorky is the fleece-lined Highway Patrol-type winter had
> from the movie *Fargo* without a badge that has fleece-lined ear covers
> on flaps that velcro under your chin. Or, I use a lycra balaclava under a
> PI or Walz winter cycling cap. On yesterday's ride to church in the low 20s
> I used the PI under the Leatt jacket's hood, since the hood cinches tight
> to keep it close to your face (to allow you too see sideways), and the
> cap's brim keeps the hood from your eyes when you turn your head.
>
> Note: I suffer from what our Victorian ancestors would have called a "weak
> throat:" I easily get sore throats. So I am very careful to wrap my neck
> when temps get below 50*F. I use either a wool scarf cut in half
> longitudinally by a tailor, or a zip-up neck on my Ibex or other cycling
> vests, or a Buff neck gaiter. I find that this really does prevent sore
> throats and, in fact, I wrap my neck in a wool scarf while at home in
> winter; wrapping the neck in wool has cured, or at least removed, incipient
> sore throats, modern germ theory be damned. (I mean: I believe in germs and
> methods to fight them, but I am hardly confident that modern medical theory
> explains absolutely everything about human health, since acupuncture and
> *traditional* Chinese herbs cured my heart arrhymia without beta
> blockers).
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 11:27 PM Roberta  wrote:
>
>> Inspired by the wonderful cold weather rides and pics recently (and
>> others, too, on Instagram), I decided I should not stop riding just because
>> the temperature is below 60*.  Yes, you read that right.  Pre-Riv, when
>> the weather got below 60*, I’d stop riding because it was “too cold.”
>>
>> Well, I’ve learned a lot here in the last 3 ½ years.  Last year, I rode
>> when it was in the 40’s.  Yesterday and today, I was out in 32* and 27*
>> temperatures, respectively, and it was glorious!  I finally learned how
>> to dress properly for cold weather riding.  There were less crowds on
>> the trail and I was more comfortable than when it’s in the 90’s.
>>
>> I highly recommend it!
>> Also, how do you keep your toes warm?  It was the only cold part of my
>> body.  I was wearing leather sneakers and cotton socks (only because I
>> couldn't find my wool ones).  Winter temps usually don't often go below 30*.
>>
>> Roberta
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Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

[Patrick Moore]

Oh, wool socks and roomy shoes. I ride down to the upper teens, and I've
used all sorts of wool socks, from bulky utility socks from Canadian chain
stores to wool dress socks; presently REI's generic merino socks that are
mid weight but thin enough to fit in my summer bike shoes. Really, though,
I should have a winter pair of shoes a size larger so that I can get 2
pairs of socks, thin liner and the wool socks under the shoe without
pinching -- pinching cuts of blood flow and makes your feet cold.

My strategies depend on temperature and time outside. For real cold -- I
ride down to the upper teens -- and for longer rides, say over an hour, I
have a pair of Lake winter boots that I wear over a pair of those REI
socks; they're fine for 2-3 hours outside, especially as you warm up as you
ride and, even more around here in the high desert, temperatures rise so
fast once the sun comes up. But for real cold, I do recommend a pair of
specifically designed winter shoes.

For temps down to the upper 20s, if I'm going to be outside for no more
than an hour, my regular summer shoes are alright, with the REI socks; but
I place between sock and shoe a cut-down bread bag -- ie, heavier plastic
-- as a wind break. My feet will often sweat, so this is useful only if you
will not stop mid ride for any length of time.

My problem with cold is more my hands. I've got a pair of nice PI lobster
gloves with 3 compartments for 2 fingers each plus thumb; this is better
than the other design, with 4 fingers, then fore finger, then thumb; but
not as warm as a mitten; but it gives better control of shifters and
brakes. I find tightly woven DeFeet knit gloves find down to the upper 30s,
insert thin silk liners down to about 30, below that use the lobsters with
or without silks, and finally, have a pair of Outdoor Research mitts to go
over thick wool mittens. Not very good for brake levers and shifters, but
then when it gets cold enough for this, I limit my time outdoors.

Ears also suffer. Faux Peruvian wool or acrylic caps work well; mine came
from Target. Less dorky is the fleece-lined Highway Patrol-type winter had
from the movie *Fargo* without a badge that has fleece-lined ear covers on
flaps that velcro under your chin. Or, I use a lycra balaclava under a PI
or Walz winter cycling cap. On yesterday's ride to church in the low 20s I
used the PI under the Leatt jacket's hood, since the hood cinches tight to
keep it close to your face (to allow you too see sideways), and the cap's
brim keeps the hood from your eyes when you turn your head.

Note: I suffer from what our Victorian ancestors would have called a "weak
throat:" I easily get sore throats. So I am very careful to wrap my neck
when temps get below 50*F. I use either a wool scarf cut in half
longitudinally by a tailor, or a zip-up neck on my Ibex or other cycling
vests, or a Buff neck gaiter. I find that this really does prevent sore
throats and, in fact, I wrap my neck in a wool scarf while at home in
winter; wrapping the neck in wool has cured, or at least removed, incipient
sore throats, modern germ theory be damned. (I mean: I believe in germs and
methods to fight them, but I am hardly confident that modern medical theory
explains absolutely everything about human health, since acupuncture and
*traditional* Chinese herbs cured my heart arrhymia without beta blockers).




On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 11:27 PM Roberta  wrote:

> Inspired by the wonderful cold weather rides and pics recently (and
> others, too, on Instagram), I decided I should not stop riding just because
> the temperature is below 60*.  Yes, you read that right.  Pre-Riv, when
> the weather got below 60*, I’d stop riding because it was “too cold.”
>
> Well, I’ve learned a lot here in the last 3 ½ years.  Last year, I rode
> when it was in the 40’s.  Yesterday and today, I was out in 32* and 27*
> temperatures, respectively, and it was glorious!  I finally learned how
> to dress properly for cold weather riding.  There were less crowds on the
> trail and I was more comfortable than when it’s in the 90’s.
>
> I highly recommend it!
> Also, how do you keep your toes warm?  It was the only cold part of my
> body.  I was wearing leather sneakers and cotton socks (only because I
> couldn't find my wool ones).  Winter temps usually don't often go below 30*.
>
> Roberta
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Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

[Shoji Takahashi]

I suggest gaiters for winter riding. They keep your pants and shoes cleaner 
(from road salt+sand of Boston area and similar climates). I think it keeps 
my feet warmer by keeping my lower legs warmer. 

I have an old set of OR Gaiters. 
https://www.outdoorresearch.com/us/gaiters

Good luck!
shoji



On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 9:16:23 AM UTC-5 James / Analog Cycles wrote:

> Keen winter boots with 400 grams of insulation, wool thigh high socks are 
> good for down to say 20.  After that, you need muck boots, wool felt 
> insoles, thick tall wool socks.  At zero or below add toe warmers.  
>
> https://www.muckbootcompany.com/collections/women/products/womens-arctic-sport-ii-mid-navy
>
> -James / Vermont / riding around in 0 degree temps 
> On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 8:59:44 AM UTC-5 Robert Blunt wrote:
>
>> Roberta,
>> Hoka makes a pair of gore tex lined winter trainers that are black. I use 
>> those with smartwool socks and that covers it for anything in the 30s and 
>> above.
>> -Robert Blunt
>> Pennington, NJ
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021, 1:27 AM Roberta  wrote:
>>
>>> Inspired by the wonderful cold weather rides and pics recently (and 
>>> others, too, on Instagram), I decided I should not stop riding just because 
>>> the temperature is below 60*.  Yes, you read that right.  Pre-Riv, when 
>>> the weather got below 60*, I’d stop riding because it was “too cold.”
>>>
>>> Well, I’ve learned a lot here in the last 3 ½ years.  Last year, I rode 
>>> when it was in the 40’s.  Yesterday and today, I was out in 32* and 27* 
>>> temperatures, respectively, and it was glorious!  I finally learned how 
>>> to dress properly for cold weather riding.  There were less crowds on 
>>> the trail and I was more comfortable than when it’s in the 90’s.
>>>
>>> I highly recommend it!
>>> Also, how do you keep your toes warm?  It was the only cold part of my 
>>> body.  I was wearing leather sneakers and cotton socks (only because I 
>>> couldn't find my wool ones).  Winter temps usually don't often go below 30*.
>>>
>>> Roberta
>>>
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Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

[James / Analog Cycles]

Keen winter boots with 400 grams of insulation, wool thigh high socks are 
good for down to say 20.  After that, you need muck boots, wool felt 
insoles, thick tall wool socks.  At zero or below add toe warmers.  
https://www.muckbootcompany.com/collections/women/products/womens-arctic-sport-ii-mid-navy

-James / Vermont / riding around in 0 degree temps 
On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 8:59:44 AM UTC-5 Robert Blunt wrote:

> Roberta,
> Hoka makes a pair of gore tex lined winter trainers that are black. I use 
> those with smartwool socks and that covers it for anything in the 30s and 
> above.
> -Robert Blunt
> Pennington, NJ
>
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021, 1:27 AM Roberta  wrote:
>
>> Inspired by the wonderful cold weather rides and pics recently (and 
>> others, too, on Instagram), I decided I should not stop riding just because 
>> the temperature is below 60*.  Yes, you read that right.  Pre-Riv, when 
>> the weather got below 60*, I’d stop riding because it was “too cold.”
>>
>> Well, I’ve learned a lot here in the last 3 ½ years.  Last year, I rode 
>> when it was in the 40’s.  Yesterday and today, I was out in 32* and 27* 
>> temperatures, respectively, and it was glorious!  I finally learned how 
>> to dress properly for cold weather riding.  There were less crowds on 
>> the trail and I was more comfortable than when it’s in the 90’s.
>>
>> I highly recommend it!
>> Also, how do you keep your toes warm?  It was the only cold part of my 
>> body.  I was wearing leather sneakers and cotton socks (only because I 
>> couldn't find my wool ones).  Winter temps usually don't often go below 30*.
>>
>> Roberta
>>
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Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

[Robert Blunt]

Roberta,
Hoka makes a pair of gore tex lined winter trainers that are black. I use
those with smartwool socks and that covers it for anything in the 30s and
above.
-Robert Blunt
Pennington, NJ

On Mon, Feb 1, 2021, 1:27 AM Roberta  wrote:

> Inspired by the wonderful cold weather rides and pics recently (and
> others, too, on Instagram), I decided I should not stop riding just because
> the temperature is below 60*.  Yes, you read that right.  Pre-Riv, when
> the weather got below 60*, I’d stop riding because it was “too cold.”
>
> Well, I’ve learned a lot here in the last 3 ½ years.  Last year, I rode
> when it was in the 40’s.  Yesterday and today, I was out in 32* and 27*
> temperatures, respectively, and it was glorious!  I finally learned how
> to dress properly for cold weather riding.  There were less crowds on the
> trail and I was more comfortable than when it’s in the 90’s.
>
> I highly recommend it!
> Also, how do you keep your toes warm?  It was the only cold part of my
> body.  I was wearing leather sneakers and cotton socks (only because I
> couldn't find my wool ones).  Winter temps usually don't often go below 30*.
>
> Roberta
>
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[RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

[Roberta]

 

Inspired by the wonderful cold weather rides and pics recently (and others, 
too, on Instagram), I decided I should not stop riding just because the 
temperature is below 60*.  Yes, you read that right.  Pre-Riv, when the 
weather got below 60*, I’d stop riding because it was “too cold.”

Well, I’ve learned a lot here in the last 3 ½ years.  Last year, I rode 
when it was in the 40’s.  Yesterday and today, I was out in 32* and 27* 
temperatures, respectively, and it was glorious!  I finally learned how to 
dress properly for cold weather riding.  There were less crowds on the 
trail and I was more comfortable than when it’s in the 90’s.

I highly recommend it!
Also, how do you keep your toes warm?  It was the only cold part of my 
body.  I was wearing leather sneakers and cotton socks (only because I 
couldn't find my wool ones).  Winter temps usually don't often go below 30*.

Roberta

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