Re: [RBW] Upright / Relaxed / Swept-Back - Style of Riding

[Garth]

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On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 5:21:41 PM UTC-4 Jay wrote:

> More great points, thanks!
>
> Some responses:
> - I would convert my Salsa Fargo to drop bar.  It has Apex 1x drivetrain, 
> and there is an inexpensive MTB shifter that works well, plus this bike is 
> designed with drops and flat/swept in mind
> - I'm liking the look of the Albatross bar, not too extreme (walk before 
> you can run!)
> - I agree Bill that diet is important, and while mine is generally quite 
> good, on a bad eating evening/day, the next day or later day ride does 
> suffer (that includes if I had a beer, which doesn't work for me close to a 
> ride, let alone on one...though it did last year on a 3-day tour, so who 
> knows!)
> - I also agree re: mental health, however, sometimes a ride greatly helps 
> my mental health, so it's often worth the trade off (if I'm a bit sore, but 
> that's not often case after a stressful time in my life)
> - I like a lot of things about drop bars, but I feel like trying something 
> different, and with the Fargo being like a drop bar mountain bike, I 
> thought it would be a good candidate for convert
>
> I went for a ride at lunch today.  Just 75 minutes.  I focused on keeping 
> my pelvis upright/straight, and having my upper back/etc tip over a bit, 
> vs. tilting from the pelvis (bike fitter I spoke to recently called this 
> being like asparagus coming out of the microwave, trunk is solid, top folds 
> over a bit, make sense?).  I was on the Roadini and the hoods are above the 
> bars, and the shallow drop to the drops is comfortable and I felt good as I 
> moved hand positions, not tilting too much forward.  Was a bind windy on 
> the way back and did feel that space between my shoulder blades tightening 
> a bit, but no worse than a 2/10 on the pain scale.
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 4:30:15 PM UTC-4 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>
>> Quick thought regarding drop bars in response to LuckTurnip:
>>
>> Almost all of my bikes have drop bars. I have one bike with Soma’s 
>> “Oxford” bars (a milder version of theAlbatross?) and a Brompton with a 
>> straight handlebar to which I added forward-facing grip extensions.
>>
>> On my bikes with drop bars, I ride probably 99% of the time on the tops, 
>> usually with my hands wrapped around the brake hoods. I find that 
>> comfortable and it gives me easy access to the brake levers. 
>>
>> I spend the other 1% of my time in the drops because I’m not concerned 
>> about aerodynamics. There are plenty of things slowing me down, and 
>> assuming an aero posture isn’t going to do anything about most of those.
>>
>> This is of course personal preference, but I like the way drop bars look. 
>> I have several classic bikes (Alex Singer, Cinelli, Masi) that were set up 
>> with drop bars and which, I think, would look kinda dumb with upright bars. 
>> Kind of like a Rambouillet with a polo seat and sissy bar (although some 
>> might really like that look).
>>
>> Ride what you want and pick the bike/seat/handlebars that make you feel 
>> comfortable. But don’t assume that drop bars are going to force you into am 
>> uncomfortable, crouched posture. 
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>>
>> On May 9, 2024, at 11:00 AM, lucky...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Fellow older person here. I have avoided owning a “fast bike” for years 
>> due to drops killin’ me, but I recently acquired this sporty XO-1 and the 
>> Albatross bar is perfect for it! I might not actually be fast but I *feel* 
>> fast now (compared to my racked and fat-tired Atlantis) so that’s really 
>> what matters. Albatross is the GOAT. 
>>
>> 
>>
>> On May 9, 2024, at 09:50, Wesley  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jay,
>> I'll second what's been said here and by Rivendell: the Albatross is the 
>> swept-back bar that is least radical / closest to a drop bar.
>>
>> I first put an Albatross bar on a bike of mine in 2007 and have kept them 
>> on at least one bike ever since. Unlike the other swept-back bars that Riv 
>> sells, they have a great hand position that is slightly forward of the stem 
>> clamp (demonstrated here): 
>> 
>>
>>
>> It's comfy for long hours on the bike. Like you, I find flat bars 
>> uncomfortable (they pain my wrists). With Albatross bars, my wrist position 
>> feels neutral and natural, a lot like on the lever tops on drop bars. The 
>> Albatross bar is on my everyday bike, with the drop bar road bike being 
>> used only when I want a lighter bike.
>> -Wes 
>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 6:28:41 PM UTC-7 Jay wrote:
>>
>>> I was always aware of bikes with a very relaxed geometry / setup, and it 
>>> wasn't until I started seeing Rivendell bikes and watching youtube videos 
>>> of people riding them that I really thought about it - is it more 
>>> comfortable than drop bars, even if I have a more neutral (not aggressive) 
>>> position on the bike (i.e., bars close to level with saddle)?  Would this 
>>> be a good option for just 

Re: [RBW] Upright / Relaxed / Swept-Back - Style of Riding

[Jay]

More great points, thanks!

Some responses:
- I would convert my Salsa Fargo to drop bar.  It has Apex 1x drivetrain, 
and there is an inexpensive MTB shifter that works well, plus this bike is 
designed with drops and flat/swept in mind
- I'm liking the look of the Albatross bar, not too extreme (walk before 
you can run!)
- I agree Bill that diet is important, and while mine is generally quite 
good, on a bad eating evening/day, the next day or later day ride does 
suffer (that includes if I had a beer, which doesn't work for me close to a 
ride, let alone on one...though it did last year on a 3-day tour, so who 
knows!)
- I also agree re: mental health, however, sometimes a ride greatly helps 
my mental health, so it's often worth the trade off (if I'm a bit sore, but 
that's not often case after a stressful time in my life)
- I like a lot of things about drop bars, but I feel like trying something 
different, and with the Fargo being like a drop bar mountain bike, I 
thought it would be a good candidate for convert

I went for a ride at lunch today.  Just 75 minutes.  I focused on keeping 
my pelvis upright/straight, and having my upper back/etc tip over a bit, 
vs. tilting from the pelvis (bike fitter I spoke to recently called this 
being like asparagus coming out of the microwave, trunk is solid, top folds 
over a bit, make sense?).  I was on the Roadini and the hoods are above the 
bars, and the shallow drop to the drops is comfortable and I felt good as I 
moved hand positions, not tilting too much forward.  Was a bind windy on 
the way back and did feel that space between my shoulder blades tightening 
a bit, but no worse than a 2/10 on the pain scale.

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 4:30:15 PM UTC-4 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> Quick thought regarding drop bars in response to LuckTurnip:
>
> Almost all of my bikes have drop bars. I have one bike with Soma’s 
> “Oxford” bars (a milder version of theAlbatross?) and a Brompton with a 
> straight handlebar to which I added forward-facing grip extensions.
>
> On my bikes with drop bars, I ride probably 99% of the time on the tops, 
> usually with my hands wrapped around the brake hoods. I find that 
> comfortable and it gives me easy access to the brake levers. 
>
> I spend the other 1% of my time in the drops because I’m not concerned 
> about aerodynamics. There are plenty of things slowing me down, and 
> assuming an aero posture isn’t going to do anything about most of those.
>
> This is of course personal preference, but I like the way drop bars look. 
> I have several classic bikes (Alex Singer, Cinelli, Masi) that were set up 
> with drop bars and which, I think, would look kinda dumb with upright bars. 
> Kind of like a Rambouillet with a polo seat and sissy bar (although some 
> might really like that look).
>
> Ride what you want and pick the bike/seat/handlebars that make you feel 
> comfortable. But don’t assume that drop bars are going to force you into am 
> uncomfortable, crouched posture. 
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>
> On May 9, 2024, at 11:00 AM, lucky...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Fellow older person here. I have avoided owning a “fast bike” for years 
> due to drops killin’ me, but I recently acquired this sporty XO-1 and the 
> Albatross bar is perfect for it! I might not actually be fast but I *feel* 
> fast now (compared to my racked and fat-tired Atlantis) so that’s really 
> what matters. Albatross is the GOAT. 
>
> 
>
> On May 9, 2024, at 09:50, Wesley  wrote:
>
> Hi Jay,
> I'll second what's been said here and by Rivendell: the Albatross is the 
> swept-back bar that is least radical / closest to a drop bar.
>
> I first put an Albatross bar on a bike of mine in 2007 and have kept them 
> on at least one bike ever since. Unlike the other swept-back bars that Riv 
> sells, they have a great hand position that is slightly forward of the stem 
> clamp (demonstrated here): 
> 
>
>
> It's comfy for long hours on the bike. Like you, I find flat bars 
> uncomfortable (they pain my wrists). With Albatross bars, my wrist position 
> feels neutral and natural, a lot like on the lever tops on drop bars. The 
> Albatross bar is on my everyday bike, with the drop bar road bike being 
> used only when I want a lighter bike.
> -Wes 
> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 6:28:41 PM UTC-7 Jay wrote:
>
>> I was always aware of bikes with a very relaxed geometry / setup, and it 
>> wasn't until I started seeing Rivendell bikes and watching youtube videos 
>> of people riding them that I really thought about it - is it more 
>> comfortable than drop bars, even if I have a more neutral (not aggressive) 
>> position on the bike (i.e., bars close to level with saddle)?  Would this 
>> be a good option for just cruising around, but for 1-2 hours?  If I didn't 
>> get along well with flat bars on mountain bike, would swept back bars be 
>> better?
>>
>> I'm going to ramble a bit here, my 

Re: [RBW] Upright / Relaxed / Swept-Back - Style of Riding

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Quick thought regarding drop bars in response to LuckTurnip:

Almost all of my bikes have drop bars. I have one bike with Soma’s “Oxford” 
bars (a milder version of theAlbatross?) and a Brompton with a straight 
handlebar to which I added forward-facing grip extensions.

On my bikes with drop bars, I ride probably 99% of the time on the tops, 
usually with my hands wrapped around the brake hoods. I find that comfortable 
and it gives me easy access to the brake levers. 

I spend the other 1% of my time in the drops because I’m not concerned about 
aerodynamics. There are plenty of things slowing me down, and assuming an aero 
posture isn’t going to do anything about most of those.

This is of course personal preference, but I like the way drop bars look. I 
have several classic bikes (Alex Singer, Cinelli, Masi) that were set up with 
drop bars and which, I think, would look kinda dumb with upright bars. Kind of 
like a Rambouillet with a polo seat and sissy bar (although some might really 
like that look).

Ride what you want and pick the bike/seat/handlebars that make you feel 
comfortable. But don’t assume that drop bars are going to force you into am 
uncomfortable, crouched posture. 

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 

> On May 9, 2024, at 11:00 AM, luckytur...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Fellow older person here. I have avoided owning a “fast bike” for years due 
> to drops killin’ me, but I recently acquired this sporty XO-1 and the 
> Albatross bar is perfect for it! I might not actually be fast but I *feel* 
> fast now (compared to my racked and fat-tired Atlantis) so that’s really what 
> matters. Albatross is the GOAT. 
> 
> 
>> On May 9, 2024, at 09:50, Wesley  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jay,
>> I'll second what's been said here and by Rivendell: the Albatross is the 
>> swept-back bar that is least radical / closest to a drop bar.
>> 
>> I first put an Albatross bar on a bike of mine in 2007 and have kept them on 
>> at least one bike ever since. Unlike the other swept-back bars that Riv 
>> sells, they have a great hand position that is slightly forward of the stem 
>> clamp (demonstrated here): 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> It's comfy for long hours on the bike. Like you, I find flat bars 
>> uncomfortable (they pain my wrists). With Albatross bars, my wrist position 
>> feels neutral and natural, a lot like on the lever tops on drop bars. The 
>> Albatross bar is on my everyday bike, with the drop bar road bike being used 
>> only when I want a lighter bike.
>> -Wes 
>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 6:28:41 PM UTC-7 Jay wrote:
>>> I was always aware of bikes with a very relaxed geometry / setup, and it 
>>> wasn't until I started seeing Rivendell bikes and watching youtube videos 
>>> of people riding them that I really thought about it - is it more 
>>> comfortable than drop bars, even if I have a more neutral (not aggressive) 
>>> position on the bike (i.e., bars close to level with saddle)?  Would this 
>>> be a good option for just cruising around, but for 1-2 hours?  If I didn't 
>>> get along well with flat bars on mountain bike, would swept back bars be 
>>> better?
>>> 
>>> I'm going to ramble a bit here, my apologies in advance.  I haven't thought 
>>> long enough about this to formulate my question succinctly.  Hopefully you 
>>> get where I'm coming from.
>>> 
>>> Quick background
>>> - been riding a little over 20 years (closing in on 50!)
>>> - started with mountain biking (hardtail, singletrack); moved to road; 
>>> tried mountain biking two more times (I love being in nature) but didn't 
>>> like the thrill/danger, and hated the idea of driving to the trail head; 
>>> have been mainly on the road for last 15 years, though with 10 years of 
>>> 'gravel' bikes/riding
>>> - I've had ongoing issues with my cervical spine (nothing serious) and this 
>>> leads to some problems when riding in any sort of aggressive position on 
>>> the bike; I see a chiro regularly; stretch a lot; workout / strength 
>>> training; have had numerous bike fits
>>> - I have a Roadini, Salsa Fargo and a road bike (25mm tires, but custom 
>>> made and really does fit like a glove, for road)
>>> - I don't care about performance at all, I just love riding bikes, in 
>>> particular when roads are not busy, or on trails, gravel roads, etc.
>>> 
>>> On a good day (75% of the time), I can ride any of these bikes and during 
>>> the ride I feel pretty good (little to no pain), maybe a bit of pain after 
>>> (could be neck/shoulders, but anywhere else really), and after stretching I 
>>> feel great in a 1/2 to full day.  I ride 4-5x a week, workout 1-2 times 
>>> spring-fall and more in the winter.  
>>> 
>>> But at least once a week, and maybe twice, I'll be riding, sometimes tired 
>>> as it's after work, and within an hour I'm running low on energy and 
>>> probably start to develop a bad posture on the bike, over-using my arms 
>>> which causes problems in my neck and shoulders, 

[RBW] Upright / Relaxed / Swept-Back - Style of Riding

[Jay]

I was always aware of bikes with a very relaxed geometry / setup, and it 
wasn't until I started seeing Rivendell bikes and watching youtube videos 
of people riding them that I really thought about it - is it more 
comfortable than drop bars, even if I have a more neutral (not aggressive) 
position on the bike (i.e., bars close to level with saddle)?  Would this 
be a good option for just cruising around, but for 1-2 hours?  If I didn't 
get along well with flat bars on mountain bike, would swept back bars be 
better?

I'm going to ramble a bit here, my apologies in advance.  I haven't thought 
long enough about this to formulate my question succinctly.  Hopefully you 
get where I'm coming from.

*Quick background*
- been riding a little over 20 years (closing in on 50!)
- started with mountain biking (hardtail, singletrack); moved to road; 
tried mountain biking two more times (I love being in nature) but didn't 
like the thrill/danger, and hated the idea of driving to the trail head; 
have been mainly on the road for last 15 years, though with 10 years of 
'gravel' bikes/riding
- I've had ongoing issues with my cervical spine (nothing serious) and this 
leads to some problems when riding in any sort of aggressive position on 
the bike; I see a chiro regularly; stretch a lot; workout / strength 
training; have had numerous bike fits
- I have a Roadini, Salsa Fargo and a road bike (25mm tires, but custom 
made and really does fit like a glove, for road)
- I don't care about performance at all, I just love riding bikes, in 
particular when roads are not busy, or on trails, gravel roads, etc.

On a good day (75% of the time), I can ride any of these bikes and during 
the ride I feel pretty good (little to no pain), maybe a bit of pain after 
(could be neck/shoulders, but anywhere else really), and after stretching I 
feel great in a 1/2 to full day.  I ride 4-5x a week, workout 1-2 times 
spring-fall and more in the winter.  

But at least once a week, and maybe twice, I'll be riding, sometimes tired 
as it's after work, and within an hour I'm running low on energy and 
probably start to develop a bad posture on the bike, over-using my arms 
which causes problems in my neck and shoulders, leading to upper body 
aches/pains (while riding, and after).  Takes a lot of stretching and 
awareness to reset.  *This is what I'm trying to resolve (move from 75% to 
99%)*

My guess is that even with a bike like the Roadini or Salsa, with bars 
about level with the saddle, and even with a professional fitting on each, 
when I want to ride but I'm lacking energy, it goes poorly.  But is that 
because these bikes are "kind of" aggressive (when compared to say a spine 
angle closer to 70% and swept back bars)?  Or is it simply a combination of 
age, history of some 'issues', low on energy and thus bad posture kicks in, 
and would any bike be a joy to ride, or should I just go for a walk on 
those days!?

I would love to hear from those who ride both drop bars and also swept back 
(or similar) in a way more relaxed geometry, or those who transitioned to 
mainly this style, because it almost fully resolved your issues, if they're 
anyway similar to mine.  *On a day when you're not feeling it, but you have 
to commute or just love to ride, do you leave the drop bar bike in the 
garage and hop on your more relaxed bike, and thus avoid most of the issues 
you would have had on the other (slightly more aggressive) bike?*

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[RBW] upright bars: how does shorter or longer stem affect steering?

[eddietheflay]

I am considering a Roadini and not sure if a 54 or a 57 would be best. I 
have always ridden the biggest bike I can stand over without hurting 
myself. My current bike has Billie bars installed on a very tall adjustable 
stem. Effective top tube on this bike is 59.5cm. Reach to both the rear 
portion at the grips and front portion at the curves seems quite 
comfortable. But when steering from the grips things seem really twitchy. 
Wondering if a shorter top-tubed bike with a longer stem would make things 
more steady?

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Re: [RBW] Upright bars and romulus

[Ash]

Since last year I have been riding Appaloosa with various upright bars 
(Choco, Alba, Jones Loop, Open Bar, Bosco..).Occasionally I take my 
road bike for short rides.  Its drop bar has been made much less aggressive 
using a raiser stem. Yet, after riding fully upright bars, it feels very 
uncomfortable.  First I get pain in the back of my neck. After 30 mins of 
riding shoulders, arms and wrist pads too start to hurt.   

Currently I have Boscos on Appaloosa.  With this setup 
 I can rider for 6-7 hrs without any severe 
pain/discomfort. Usually I'm exhausted of peddling before any upper body 
issues start!  I also enjoy being able to see more surroundings along the 
way.



On Thursday, 30 August 2018 10:23:50 UTC-7, Andy C. wrote:
>
> Wow, I could have started this exact topic.
> I commute on a Canti-Rom with drops and ride recreationally on other bikes 
> with drops and one with a Bosco. Neck pain got so bad two months ago that I 
> stopped commuting and I haven't started up again. I just purchased an 
> Albatross cockpit from a list member but I have yet to install it as I'm 
> still holding out for the fountain of youth to return (I'm 54). After all, 
> I do see riders older than I in drops all the time.
> As I was ramping up my riding this spring I did lots of stretching but 
> never thought to stretch my neck. Now I know. Sure, I read about neck pain 
> on the Rivbike.com but I always thought, "That would never happen to me."
> --Andy C.
>
> On Thursday, August 30, 2018 at 5:33:54 AM UTC-7, Fullylugged wrote:
>
>> And you’re no crustier now than you were at 66!  . I need to get up 
>> that way and ride with you again. 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone 
>>
>> > On Aug 30, 2018, at 5:51 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote: 
>> > 
>> > I wouldn't call either 30 or 56 "old."  I'm 76. 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Upright bars and romulus

[Max S]

Post of the day! Good on you, Hank!!

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Re: [RBW] Upright bars and romulus

['Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch]

At 102 years old I play to convert to upright bars on most of my large 
Rivendell frames.  
Does height make a difference, since my BPH is 99.5 it would be good to know if 
I might need to make the transition before 100 or after 105.

Ryan “ride whatever feels right” Hankinson
West Michigan.

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Re: [RBW] Upright bars and romulus

[Andy C.]

Wow, I could have started this exact topic.
I commute on a Canti-Rom with drops and ride recreationally on other bikes 
with drops and one with a Bosco. Neck pain got so bad two months ago that I 
stopped commuting and I haven't started up again. I just purchased an 
Albatross cockpit from a list member but I have yet to install it as I'm 
still holding out for the fountain of youth to return (I'm 54). After all, 
I do see riders older than I in drops all the time.
As I was ramping up my riding this spring I did lots of stretching but 
never thought to stretch my neck. Now I know. Sure, I read about neck pain 
on the Rivbike.com but I always thought, "That would never happen to me."
--Andy C.

On Thursday, August 30, 2018 at 5:33:54 AM UTC-7, Fullylugged wrote:

> And you’re no crustier now than you were at 66!  . I need to get up that 
> way and ride with you again. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone 
>
> > On Aug 30, 2018, at 5:51 AM, Steve Palincsar  > wrote: 
> > 
> > I wouldn't call either 30 or 56 "old."  I'm 76. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Upright bars and romulus

[Bruce Herbitter]

And you’re no crustier now than you were at 66!  . I need to get up that way 
and ride with you again. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 30, 2018, at 5:51 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> 
> I wouldn't call either 30 or 56 "old."  I'm 76.

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Re: [RBW] Upright bars and romulus

[Steve Palincsar]

I wouldn't call either 30 or 56 "old."  I'm 76.


On 08/29/2018 10:07 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:

In my case, 56.



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Re: [RBW] Upright bars and romulus

[Eric Daume]

How is a Clem giving up? :) Mine has a surprisingly spritely ride. The fat
tired and strong brakes are a big plus.

Eric

On Tuesday, August 28, 2018, Dennis Caron  wrote:

> Hello,
> I’m curious if anyone has installed upright bars on a Romulus. I have one
> that I’ve ridden for 15 years but feel I’m getting too old for drop bars. I
> am also looking at a Clem bike but don’t want to give up quite yet if
> others have liked switching out their bars on the Romulus.
> Thanks...
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[RBW] Upright bars and romulus

[WETH]

Dear Dennis,

I have and really enjoy the ride: https://flic.kr/p/22KjYfJ
If you have further questions let me know.  
More photos of the bike here: https://www.flickr.com/gp/86975051@N08/7913Q8

All the best,
Erl

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[RBW] Upright bars and romulus

[Fullylugged]

I flipped mustache bars upside down and used bar end brakes to get a nice 
relaxed vibe.   Go for it.

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Re: [RBW] Upright bars and romulus

[Joe Bernard]

In my case, 56. 

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Re: [RBW] Upright bars and romulus

[Timothy Hurley]

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Re: [RBW] Upright bars and romulus

[Steve Palincsar]

I'm curious: how old is "too old for drop bars"?


On 08/28/2018 08:54 PM, Dennis Caron wrote:

Hello,
I’m curious if anyone has installed upright bars on a Romulus. I have one that 
I’ve ridden for 15 years but feel I’m getting too old for drop bars. I am also 
looking at a Clem bike but don’t want to give up quite yet if others have liked 
switching out their bars on the Romulus.
Thanks...



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[RBW] Upright bars and romulus

[Dennis Caron]

Hello,
I’m curious if anyone has installed upright bars on a Romulus. I have one that 
I’ve ridden for 15 years but feel I’m getting too old for drop bars. I am also 
looking at a Clem bike but don’t want to give up quite yet if others have liked 
switching out their bars on the Romulus. 
Thanks...

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[RBW] Upright handlebar mod

[Ian A]

Great post, Ron. Good to see you back and posting again. Fabulous photos. 
Looking forward to more ride reports. It's still cold where I live and we're 
still at least two months away from distance riding season. In a recent 
snowfall I crashed out on my commute, leading to hip and back x-rays (no harm 
done past bruising etc). So, yeah - keep those Texas ride reports coming!

India is a major exporter of leather goods. Buffalo hide seems to be the source 
of most leather. 

IanA/The frozen wasteland of Edmonton Canada.

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[RBW] Upright handlebar mod

[Ron Mc]

Haven't been here in awhile, mostly because I didn't have anything to add - 
well, I do today.  
Been trying to get in 100 mi/wk, had some great coast kayak trips in the 
fall, chased my daughter's senior-year wrestling bid for a state 
championship - close, she lost the state championship by 2 points, but a 
really great season.  Her life is all set, going to A in the fall to 
study biomedical engineering (will still wrestle USAW, and who knows, may 
spring Olympics on us next year).  

 



This has been the wettest, coldest s. Texas winter I can remember.  Been 
getting all the miles I could, sometimes when I probably shouldn't have, 
and had to improve some sweat, so I put my upright on mag trainer duty.  
This is my Viner Pro CX frame, built as an upright using Map bars.  

   

Full-time on upright on a mag trainer, though, is a drag, even changing 
gears every 2 minutes, and uses limited muscles

Found a way to extend it. Used a Nitto 2-70 bar extender and added bar end 
grips - this gives me core muscle work.  

This got me though the bad weeks this winter, and I was looking forward to 
trying it out on the road.  


While the Nitto bar extender is intended as a lamp/accessory mount, it 
works perfectly for this.

But cooler than that, I found some $15 motorcycle leather grip wraps from 
Trip Machine on etsy - 15 days to ship from India (last place I expected to 
get leather goods).

Gave me an intermediate grip position inside the brake levers, while also 
giving me a wrist pad on the bar for the extended grips - 3 hand positions, 
3 different muscle groups.

And looks really sharp.  

   


With better weather, I've had it on the road for about 100 mi in the past 
week (between major feast workload that's been imposing on my feast life).  
The week I spent fine-tuning the position on the mag trainer paid off - 
nothing to adjust on the road.  

The stretch bar mod adds 3 different positions with palms or wrists resting 
on the wrapped bars (plus I can grab the wrapped bars).  The bar ends give 
two different thumb hook positions.  Was thinking I would change to mini 
bar ends, but on a 40-mi ride today, found the full aero position (lightly) 
gripping the full bar ends is superb.  


Got in a good 25-mi ride last weekend with Lou, the maiden ride of his new 
Tomassini Diamante  

Lou posted some nice macros of the bike on The CABE -  
https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/tommasini-diamante.126620/

   

  
 


We got there early for Thai food, but was worth the wait.  

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Re: [RBW] Upright bars--my Cheviot review

[Toshi Takeuchi]

Usually my kids are following me, but yeah if they are in front, I want my
hands on the brakes!

Toshi


On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 3:56 AM, Eric Daume  wrote:

> Interesting what you say about using the ends of the Albastache bars for
> slow riding with kids. I *thought* this would work well when I used them,
> but I find that riding with my kids, they like to stop suddenly and for no
> apparent reason. I didn't like being that far away from the brakes. So for
> me, the Albastache was basically a fast riding bar, like a drop bar. For
> slow riding, I want mtb style brake levers.
>
> Eric
>
> On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 11:28 PM, Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:
>
>> I'm basically a drop bar guy, but I love my wife's Betty Foy, so I
>> thought it would be great to have a bike that I can just ride on with no
>> fuss and I have it pitlocked so I can take it to the grocery and not have
>> to worry about it getting stuff stolen too easily.
>>
>> The bike doesn't really turn too quickly when you turn the handlebars,
>> but it has the Riv quickness in terms of responding to body weight shifts,
>> so while I don't think the bike is fast, it is responsive to me.
>>
>> I set up the bike with Albastache bars and I put the brakes up front.
>> The position feels similar to the drop bar position and I can tuck in when
>> it's windy.  The upright position towards the end of the bars is nice to
>> have, especially when I am just taking a relaxing ride with the kids.
>>
>> I tried to ride with non-clipless pedals, but I live on the middle of a
>> big hill, and any direction you go, there are hills. I missed the power of
>> the clipless pedals when climbing, so I had to compromise and have the
>> shimano two sided pedals with one side spd and one side standard.
>>
>> I don't care--yet--about having the mixte and easy mounting of the
>> saddle, but I'm sure I'll appreciate that as I get older!
>>
>> The bike as shown below was expertly assembled by Mark at Riv, and with
>> him knowing how I ride, he setup the Cheviot just as I would like it.
>>
>> I used a 7 cm stem, and I normally use a 9 cm stem for my drops.
>>
>> Toshi
>>
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/42771204@N00/38968449685/in/da
>> teposted-public/
>>
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Re: [RBW] Upright bars--my Cheviot review

[Eric Daume]

Interesting what you say about using the ends of the Albastache bars for
slow riding with kids. I *thought* this would work well when I used them,
but I find that riding with my kids, they like to stop suddenly and for no
apparent reason. I didn't like being that far away from the brakes. So for
me, the Albastache was basically a fast riding bar, like a drop bar. For
slow riding, I want mtb style brake levers.

Eric

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 11:28 PM, Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:

> I'm basically a drop bar guy, but I love my wife's Betty Foy, so I thought
> it would be great to have a bike that I can just ride on with no fuss and I
> have it pitlocked so I can take it to the grocery and not have to worry
> about it getting stuff stolen too easily.
>
> The bike doesn't really turn too quickly when you turn the handlebars, but
> it has the Riv quickness in terms of responding to body weight shifts, so
> while I don't think the bike is fast, it is responsive to me.
>
> I set up the bike with Albastache bars and I put the brakes up front.  The
> position feels similar to the drop bar position and I can tuck in when it's
> windy.  The upright position towards the end of the bars is nice to have,
> especially when I am just taking a relaxing ride with the kids.
>
> I tried to ride with non-clipless pedals, but I live on the middle of a
> big hill, and any direction you go, there are hills. I missed the power of
> the clipless pedals when climbing, so I had to compromise and have the
> shimano two sided pedals with one side spd and one side standard.
>
> I don't care--yet--about having the mixte and easy mounting of the saddle,
> but I'm sure I'll appreciate that as I get older!
>
> The bike as shown below was expertly assembled by Mark at Riv, and with
> him knowing how I ride, he setup the Cheviot just as I would like it.
>
> I used a 7 cm stem, and I normally use a 9 cm stem for my drops.
>
> Toshi
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/42771204@N00/38968449685/in/
> dateposted-public/
>
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Re: [RBW] Upright bars--my Cheviot review

[Patrick Moore]

That photo makes me want to get a Cheviot. Very nice!

About the Fly Pedals: I tried another version, also all aluminum, but with
blunt teeth that were meant to give you more grip. 2 problems: 1, the teeth
did not grip the vibram soles of boat shoes, and my feet slid all over -- I
was more secure wearing boat shoes to pedal on my M540s. 2, removing the
damned things when you wanted to wear mtb shoes was a pain; I had to use
channel locks if I didn't want to mess with retention spring force. I think
the M324s are the best solution for dual-type shoe riding -- they felt more
secure in boat shoes than the A530s.

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 9:28 PM, Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:

> ...
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/42771204@N00/38968449685/in/
> dateposted-public/
>
>
>
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[RBW] Upright bars--my Cheviot review

[Davey Two Shoes]

Ditch the double sided and go for regular spd mtb pedals and then get these!

https://www.flypedals.com

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[RBW] Upright bars--my Cheviot review

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I'm basically a drop bar guy, but I love my wife's Betty Foy, so I thought
it would be great to have a bike that I can just ride on with no fuss and I
have it pitlocked so I can take it to the grocery and not have to worry
about it getting stuff stolen too easily.

The bike doesn't really turn too quickly when you turn the handlebars, but
it has the Riv quickness in terms of responding to body weight shifts, so
while I don't think the bike is fast, it is responsive to me.

I set up the bike with Albastache bars and I put the brakes up front.  The
position feels similar to the drop bar position and I can tuck in when it's
windy.  The upright position towards the end of the bars is nice to have,
especially when I am just taking a relaxing ride with the kids.

I tried to ride with non-clipless pedals, but I live on the middle of a big
hill, and any direction you go, there are hills. I missed the power of the
clipless pedals when climbing, so I had to compromise and have the shimano
two sided pedals with one side spd and one side standard.

I don't care--yet--about having the mixte and easy mounting of the saddle,
but I'm sure I'll appreciate that as I get older!

The bike as shown below was expertly assembled by Mark at Riv, and with him
knowing how I ride, he setup the Cheviot just as I would like it.

I used a 7 cm stem, and I normally use a 9 cm stem for my drops.

Toshi


https://www.flickr.com/photos/42771204@N00/38968449685/in/dateposted-public/

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[RBW] Upright Bars

[Eric Norris]

Here’s how French President Macron deals with backswept upright bars:

https://twitter.com/CHAIRRDRF/status/873993154487357440/photo/1

Somebody needs to offer to put some twine-wrapped tape on the forward part of 
his handlebars. 

P.S. Nice to see him riding in regular clothes, but I would personally suggest 
a helmet. Lots of traffic and hard surfaces in Paris. 

Eric N
www.CampyOnly.com
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Re: [RBW] Upright road riders tell me your fit setup please.

[Joe Broach]

>
> ​
> 1. Terrain you ride in.


paved roads to easy singletrack

​
> ​
> 2. What model bike and upright handlebar.​


​56cm cr-mo albatross

​
> ​
> 2. What type of on-road riding you do (commutes, errands, centuries,
> ​...
>

​(did, for me, I've switched to drops for now) fun and getting places up to
80 miles

 ​
> ​
> 3. Fit:
>  a) Your bar height to saddle height
> ​  Level or ​bars a bit above, bars tilted level
>
>  b) seat fore and aft (KOPS?, saddle slammed all the way back on
> the rails Riv-style, etc.?)
> ​ ​
> ​all the way back (72.5 STA)
>
>  c) saddle height ( I guess most of you use the Riv method of
> PBH-11cm?).
> ​  82cm
>
 d) what kinda saddle and how do you tilt it?
> ​
> ​Level or ever so slightly nose up.
> ​


​
> ​
> 4. Also, what do you do in winter so you don't get blasted with wintry
> blasts when riding? My thighs and shoulders get cranky when I ride too long
> in the cold, and upright just opens them up to more direct wintry wind
> punishment.
>

​Underrated advantage of upright, especially when I lived in colder climes
(western Montana), was being able to layer however I wanted without
everything bunching up when I bent over. You also get less wind up your
collar and can wear a broader brimmed hat and still see.​ I kept the bars
and will have a bike for them again someday...

Best,
joe
pdx or

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 8:38 PM, Lungimsam  wrote:

> Thinking of trying Boscos on my Sam. I like my drops setups. But thinking
> an upright setup will be fun for on-road riding, too. I do commuting,
> errands, centuries, recreational on-road riding.
>
> But it is hilly around here and was wondering what you hilly upright
> riders do for your upright bike setups that works for you.
>
> I know this is a highly individual thing, but interested to see what works
> for you.
>
> ​​
> Please mention:
> 1. Terrain you ride in.
> ​​
> 2. What model bike and upright handlebar.
> ​​
> 2. What type of on-road riding you do (commutes, errands, centuries,
> brevets, touring, recreational road riding).
> ​​
> 3. Fit:
>  a) Your bar height to saddle height
>  b) seat fore and aft (KOPS?, saddle slammed all the way back on
> the rails Riv-style, etc.?)
>  c) saddle height ( I guess most of you use the Riv method of
> PBH-11cm?).
>  d) what kinda saddle and how do you tilt it?
>
> ​​
> 4. Also, what do you do in winter so you don't get blasted with wintry
> blasts when riding? My thighs and shoulders get cranky when I ride too long
> in the cold, and upright just opens them up to more direct wintry wind
> punishment.
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[RBW] Upright road riders tell me your fit setup please.

[Lungimsam]

Thinking of trying Boscos on my Sam. I like my drops setups. But thinking 
an upright setup will be fun for on-road riding, too. I do commuting, 
errands, centuries, recreational on-road riding.

But it is hilly around here and was wondering what you hilly upright riders 
do for your upright bike setups that works for you.

I know this is a highly individual thing, but interested to see what works 
for you.

Please mention:
1. Terrain you ride in.
2. What model bike and upright handlebar.
2. What type of on-road riding you do (commutes, errands, centuries, 
brevets, touring, recreational road riding).
3. Fit:
 a) Your bar height to saddle height
 b) seat fore and aft (KOPS?, saddle slammed all the way back on 
the rails Riv-style, etc.?)
 c) saddle height ( I guess most of you use the Riv method of 
PBH-11cm?).
 d) what kinda saddle and how do you tilt it?

4. Also, what do you do in winter so you don't get blasted with wintry 
blasts when riding? My thighs and shoulders get cranky when I ride too long 
in the cold, and upright just opens them up to more direct wintry wind 
punishment.

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[RBW] Upright bar build question - shellacked cloth tape to match cork grips

[Jim Bronson]

I would like to get some cloth tape to use with some albatross-like
bars (Soma Oxford) that have Miesha's corkgrips on them, to achieve
this sort of look as seen on Rivendell's site:

http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/m4.htm

Note that, I'm not planning to shellac the grips themselves because of
some feedback I got from Miesha herself on the phone the other day.
She didn't like the shellac on the grips.

Anyway, what color tape should I start with before the shellac?
White, beige, or something else?

Also, since I'm on the subject of the build on my wifey's new to her frame,

What adhesive did you use for the cork grips?  Rivendell mentions
Gorilla Grip and some sort of Permatex automotive RTV Form a Gasket
1A sealant as seen in the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VaUlzsDDvkx-yt-ts=1422411861x-yt-cl=84924572
I would probably make my decision based on just what was most cost
effective.  Seems like if that form of Permatex worked, that any kind
of Permatex RTV might work.  (I used to have lots of RTV around back
in the day when I had a Honda that required valve adjustment every
15K, the gasket would leak on reinstallation unless you put a drop of
RTV in the corners.  But I think that stuff is long since dried up).
What about painters' caulk?  I have like 8 tubes of that sitting
around.  Bought too much when I painted the outside of my house.

Where's the best place to buy the twine as depicted in Riv's videos?
I didn't see it on their site.

Any metal fender installation tips?




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RE: [RBW] Upright bar build question - shellacked cloth tape to match cork grips

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

I use hairspray (under cork grips, perhaps needless to say), and it works fine 
for me.

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Subject: [RBW] Upright bar build question - shellacked cloth tape to match cork 
grips

I would like to get some cloth tape to use with some albatross-like bars (Soma 
Oxford) that have Miesha's corkgrips on them, to achieve this sort of look as 
seen on Rivendell's site:

http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/m4.htm

Note that, I'm not planning to shellac the grips themselves because of some 
feedback I got from Miesha herself on the phone the other day.
She didn't like the shellac on the grips.

Anyway, what color tape should I start with before the shellac?
White, beige, or something else?

Also, since I'm on the subject of the build on my wifey's new to her frame,

What adhesive did you use for the cork grips?  Rivendell mentions Gorilla Grip 
and some sort of Permatex automotive RTV Form a Gasket 1A sealant as seen in 
the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VaUlzsDDvkx-yt-ts=1422411861x-yt-cl=84924572
I would probably make my decision based on just what was most cost effective.  
Seems like if that form of Permatex worked, that any kind of Permatex RTV might 
work.  (I used to have lots of RTV around back in the day when I had a Honda 
that required valve adjustment every 15K, the gasket would leak on 
reinstallation unless you put a drop of RTV in the corners.  But I think that 
stuff is long since dried up).
What about painters' caulk?  I have like 8 tubes of that sitting around.  
Bought too much when I painted the outside of my house.

Where's the best place to buy the twine as depicted in Riv's videos?
I didn't see it on their site.

Any metal fender installation tips?




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[RBW] Upright

[true]

That is one 'uprighteous' video!

I enjoyed seeing it. Thanks for sharing.

I have one bike set up very upright with Albatross bars, an old mid 80's 
Peugeot MTB, heavy but fun to ride.
Well, not all that heavy at 29 to 30 lbs. after reading that bike weight thread.

Safe pedaling
Paul in Dallas

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Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com: Aug 15 05:24PM -0600 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3smPA17D8M

Sweet video, but the average uprightness quotient is a quamtum (new metric)
measure above anything on the Rivendell site.

I notice too how many of the riders lunge their torsos forward to get
torque.

Patrick butt back and torso inclined Moore

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[RBW] Upright!

[Patrick Moore]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3smPA17D8M

Sweet video, but the average uprightness quotient is a quamtum (new metric)
measure above anything on the Rivendell site.

I notice too how many of the riders lunge their torsos forward to get
torque.

Patrick butt back and torso inclined Moore

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Re: [RBW] Upright Riding Saddles.

[bruce.herbitter]

I got an email from Selle Anatomica this week about their 2014 line up. They 
have changed the rails, rivets and nose piece, as well as gone to a longer 
adjusting screw. You can check them out at the web site. I use them and like 
them a lot.






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To: RBW - Owners





I switched to an SA Titanico a couple months ago and love how comfortable it is 
while installed level to the ground. It also has a little more useful real 
estate; you can sit on the nose or the rear rivets when the situation arises 
and still be comphy. I ride Albas at saddle height or slightly higher. 




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[RBW] Upright Riding Saddles.

[David Banzer]

With a Redwood now in the house, I'm re-purposing my Schwinn Voyageur as an 
upright-ish commuter. Plan is to swap in Albas or Bosco's at some point. 
Wald 867 are working as nice placesavers for the time being.

Problem is: My once perfectly comfy B17 is no longer so comfy when sitting 
semi-upright. 

So... what saddles are folks riding with Bosco bars?
Prefer to stick to leather saddles.

Thanks,
David
Chicago

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Re: [RBW] Upright Riding Saddles.

[Mike Williams]

Id say stick with the B17 and try tilting the nose up a bit,  it might force 
you a little rearward and maybe more upright,  it works for me!   -Mike

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 On Apr 5, 2014, at 6:48 PM, David Banzer daban...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 With a Redwood now in the house, I'm re-purposing my Schwinn Voyageur as an 
 upright-ish commuter. Plan is to swap in Albas or Bosco's at some point. Wald 
 867 are working as nice placesavers for the time being.
 
 Problem is: My once perfectly comfy B17 is no longer so comfy when sitting 
 semi-upright. 
 
 So... what saddles are folks riding with Bosco bars?
 Prefer to stick to leather saddles.
 
 Thanks,
 David
 Chicago
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Re: [RBW] Upright Riding Saddles.

[Anton Tutter]

Agreed with Michael. For bikes with city bars at saddle height or above, a 
little tilt up at the nose of a B17 does the trick for me. 

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Re: [RBW] Upright Riding Saddles.

[Kevin Mulcahy]

I switched to an SA Titanico a couple months ago and love how comfortable 
it is while installed level to the ground. It also has a little more useful 
real estate; you can sit on the nose or the rear rivets when the situation 
arises and still be comphy. I ride Albas at saddle height or slightly 
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