Re: [RBW] Thank you Riv & My kid-hauler

[Dan McNamara]

I’ll get them out and shoot some pics for you over the weekend

. It is a different setup than the VO porter stand. I had the Ursus on my Bomba 
and it worked well. I would not jump curbs with it on a bike as it sits low. I

I have a few other as well 

the VO Copenhagen / Massload was ok. 

The Hebie Double was good but not as solid as the Ursus. 

Dan

> On Oct 17, 2018, at 6:37 PM, Justin, Oakland  wrote:
> 
> Dan-
> Does it go up narrower than the VO porteur model? That one interferes with my 
> chain. 
> 
> -J
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Re: [RBW] Thank you Riv & My kid-hauler

[Justin, Oakland]

Dan-
Does it go up narrower than the VO porteur model? That one interferes with my 
chain. 

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Re: [RBW] Thank you Riv & My kid-hauler

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Hi Justin. I have quite a collection of dual legged kickstands gathered for 
bike-with-kid service. I’ll send you some info tomorrow. I am local-ish so you 
can check them out. Need to clean out the garage. 

The Ursus is the best I used. Super stable and wide footprint. Helps with 
wiggling kids whether front or rear. 

Dan
- Marin CA

> On Oct 13, 2018, at 4:29 PM, Drw  wrote:
> 
> I had the pletscher and I have one of the VO’s.
> I don’t think id be comfortable leaving a kid on the bike propped up by 
> either one. Pletscher felt more stable, but VO Gets points for adjustability 
> and not bending my kickstand plate off the frame. 
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Re: [RBW] Thank you and "Enjoy the Ride!"

[BenG]

2 daughters are the blessing of our lives. Seasons pass in life, huh? One 
married and happy, one single and in youth ministry. We ride incidentally, 
along the way, because we can and like to. It's a luxury to have nice bikes 
available, nice to have any bikes available. Life is rich regardless.

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Re: [RBW] Thank you and "Enjoy the Ride!"

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks for the photos. That Surly makes me want to turn my Matthews into a
ss ...

On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 7:23 AM, Leaf Slayer  wrote:

> On Saturday, September 17, 2016 at 12:55:36 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Mike: what are those dangerously heresy-skirting "other bikes"? Photos?
>>
>
> If you poke around a bit your can see the other bikes here:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/
>
> My main go to bikes are my LHT and my singlespeed Cross Check. Lately I've
> been doing a ton of riding on the CC. This past summer, which has gone by
> far too quickly, I usually got out once a week for a ramble around the dirt
> roads in the Mt Hood NF. Most of this riding I did on my LHT. I did manage
> a 5 day tour on my Big Dummy which was pretty awesome, taking in miles of
> dirt roads. There's some photos here:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/albums/72157667520325613
>
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Re: [RBW] Thank you and "Enjoy the Ride!"

[Lungimsam]

Wow!! Thats the first time I have heard of someone liking their Surly better 
than their Rivendell!!! Sounds like a much loved bike.

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Re: [RBW] Thank you and "Enjoy the Ride!"

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On Saturday, September 17, 2016 at 12:55:36 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Mike: what are those dangerously heresy-skirting "other bikes"? Photos?
>

If you poke around a bit your can see the other bikes here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/

My main go to bikes are my LHT and my singlespeed Cross Check. Lately I've 
been doing a ton of riding on the CC. This past summer, which has gone by 
far too quickly, I usually got out once a week for a ramble around the dirt 
roads in the Mt Hood NF. Most of this riding I did on my LHT. I did manage 
a 5 day tour on my Big Dummy which was pretty awesome, taking in miles of 
dirt roads. There's some photos here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/albums/72157667520325613

While there are no more Rivs in my quiver, you can tell I have plenty of 
Surlys. I love Surly. My CC is 10yrs old and I just love that bike. I've 
threatened to sell it in the past but glad I haven't. My LHT is the bike I 
wish my Hilsen was. The Hilsen was awesome but it shimmied at speed and 
with a load. Furthermore, I like the stopping power of cantis over Silver 
brakes, especially with a load or off-road. I recently put a Paul brake on 
the front and am kicking myself for waiting so long. I'll eventually get a 
Paul for the rear and for my CC.

The other bikes are my Krampus which I really haven't ridden much this 
year. On the days where I could go mountain bike, I just felt like going 
dirt road rambling. Just a little less stressful and overall better for my 
head if that makes sense. 

I also have a Salsa Vaya which I really want to like but the reality is I 
don't. I'm not anti disc brakes but I just prefer cantis and the set-up on 
my 10yr old CC. In fact, I'm thinking of selling the Vaya and getting a 
second CC (geared). My Joshua Bryan randonneur is disassembled in the 
basement and I need to work towards selling the frame. The last 
randonneuring event I did was the Cascade 1200k and I don't see myself 
doing riding like that anymore. Hell, I'd be more likely to race cross 
before I randonneured again. 


Daughters: even more expensive than bikes. My daughter is 15, so I have 
> plenty of free time; just no money (or life). Daughters if well raised 
> become as they get older less demanding of time but far more demanding of 
> your money -- lessee: this month: driving lessons; deposit on summer trip 
> to Ireland; cash for dress for tonight's dance because, well, she didn't 
> think to order cheaper online until last night; etc etc etc.
>

Parenthood: As tough as it is I love it so much. Next year my wife and I 
are planning on making a better effort at doing some care camping with our 
daughter. I think she'd like it.  

>
> I still cycle as avidly as I did 30 years ago when I started up again 
> after a 9 year hiatus; I'm just slower. 
>

I turned 50 earlier this month. While I ride daily, the monthly mileage is 
not what it was years ago and that's okay. I don't feel 50 and certainly 
don't act it. My plan is to keep riding as long as I can. I love the idea 
of growing older on the bike.

--mike

 

>
> Patrick Moore (who just an hour ago was tickled to be called "young man" 
> by a 62-year-old just 1 year older than himself).
>
> On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 1:43 PM, Leaf Slayer  > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, September 17, 2016 at 8:31:16 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> I expect that Patrick hasn't so much lost interest in cycling as in 
>>> cycling lists, given what I've heard about the benefit that cycling, and in 
>>> particular, Rivendellian/Grantian cycling has had to his life. I know 
>>> another Patrick who ought to spend less time bothering cycling lists ...
>>>
>>
>> I can sorta relate. I use to be a frequent contributor to this list and 
>> certainly checked-in on it daily. I don't think it was time wasted at all 
>> and am quite grateful for everything it showed me or encouraged me to see. 
>> After my daughter was born, there just wasn't the time, or energy, to 
>> follow this list as closely. My riding scaled back a bit. And in fact, I 
>> even sold my Hilsen. I still cycle daily and have even branched out my 
>> cycling by returning to mountain biking (I sold my Hilsen to buy a 
>> Krampus). I peek in on the Riv website from time to time and enjoy it. My 
>> LHT is set-up in a very Rivish manner with Noodles, Brooks, VP platform 
>> pedals, Sugino cranks, etc. But I have some other bikes which are less 
>> Rivish.  Some of you I still follow on Flickr. I continue to post on Flickr 
>> but not quite as frequently. My daughter just turned 3. It's amazing how 
>> the time flies. I'm stuck at work today but it's slowed down for the 
>> moment. Wishing you all the best. My favorite part of this list has always 
>> been and remains ride reports. Keep them coming.
>>
>> --mike 
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Re: [RBW] Thank you and "Enjoy the Ride!"

[RoadieRyan]

Be careful not to blink Mike or you'll turn around and your daughter will 
be 13.  Of course every age has its great moments but those ages when they 
are tiny are pretty cool.

Ryan -whose "tiny girl" is 13

On Saturday, September 17, 2016 at 12:43:55 PM UTC-7, Leaf Slayer wrote:
>
>
>
> On Saturday, September 17, 2016 at 8:31:16 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> I expect that Patrick hasn't so much lost interest in cycling as in 
>> cycling lists, given what I've heard about the benefit that cycling, and in 
>> particular, Rivendellian/Grantian cycling has had to his life. I know 
>> another Patrick who ought to spend less time bothering cycling lists ...
>>
>
> I can sorta relate. I use to be a frequent contributor to this list and 
> certainly checked-in on it daily. I don't think it was time wasted at all 
> and am quite grateful for everything it showed me or encouraged me to see. 
> After my daughter was born, there just wasn't the time, or energy, to 
> follow this list as closely. My riding scaled back a bit. And in fact, I 
> even sold my Hilsen. I still cycle daily and have even branched out my 
> cycling by returning to mountain biking (I sold my Hilsen to buy a 
> Krampus). I peek in on the Riv website from time to time and enjoy it. My 
> LHT is set-up in a very Rivish manner with Noodles, Brooks, VP platform 
> pedals, Sugino cranks, etc. But I have some other bikes which are less 
> Rivish.  Some of you I still follow on Flickr. I continue to post on Flickr 
> but not quite as frequently. My daughter just turned 3. It's amazing how 
> the time flies. I'm stuck at work today but it's slowed down for the 
> moment. Wishing you all the best. My favorite part of this list has always 
> been and remains ride reports. Keep them coming.
>
> --mike 
>

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Re: [RBW] Thank you and "Enjoy the Ride!"

[Patrick Moore]

Mike: what are those dangerously heresy-skirting "other bikes"? Photos?

Daughters: even more expensive than bikes. My daughter is 15, so I have
plenty of free time; just no money (or life). Daughters if well raised
become as they get older less demanding of time but far more demanding of
your money -- lessee: this month: driving lessons; deposit on summer trip
to Ireland; cash for dress for tonight's dance because, well, she didn't
think to order cheaper online until last night; etc etc etc.

I still cycle as avidly as I did 30 years ago when I started up again after
a 9 year hiatus; I'm just slower.

Patrick Moore (who just an hour ago was tickled to be called "young man" by
a 62-year-old just 1 year older than himself).

On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 1:43 PM, Leaf Slayer  wrote:

>
>
> On Saturday, September 17, 2016 at 8:31:16 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> I expect that Patrick hasn't so much lost interest in cycling as in
>> cycling lists, given what I've heard about the benefit that cycling, and in
>> particular, Rivendellian/Grantian cycling has had to his life. I know
>> another Patrick who ought to spend less time bothering cycling lists ...
>>
>
> I can sorta relate. I use to be a frequent contributor to this list and
> certainly checked-in on it daily. I don't think it was time wasted at all
> and am quite grateful for everything it showed me or encouraged me to see.
> After my daughter was born, there just wasn't the time, or energy, to
> follow this list as closely. My riding scaled back a bit. And in fact, I
> even sold my Hilsen. I still cycle daily and have even branched out my
> cycling by returning to mountain biking (I sold my Hilsen to buy a
> Krampus). I peek in on the Riv website from time to time and enjoy it. My
> LHT is set-up in a very Rivish manner with Noodles, Brooks, VP platform
> pedals, Sugino cranks, etc. But I have some other bikes which are less
> Rivish.  Some of you I still follow on Flickr. I continue to post on Flickr
> but not quite as frequently. My daughter just turned 3. It's amazing how
> the time flies. I'm stuck at work today but it's slowed down for the
> moment. Wishing you all the best. My favorite part of this list has always
> been and remains ride reports. Keep them coming.
>
> --mike
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Re: [RBW] Thank you and "Enjoy the Ride!"

[Leaf Slayer]

I should add that I really enjoyed DP's humor and insights. He deactivated 
his Flickr page a while back. He had some great images on that.

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Re: [RBW] Thank you and "Enjoy the Ride!"

[Leaf Slayer]

On Saturday, September 17, 2016 at 8:31:16 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I expect that Patrick hasn't so much lost interest in cycling as in 
> cycling lists, given what I've heard about the benefit that cycling, and in 
> particular, Rivendellian/Grantian cycling has had to his life. I know 
> another Patrick who ought to spend less time bothering cycling lists ...
>

I can sorta relate. I use to be a frequent contributor to this list and 
certainly checked-in on it daily. I don't think it was time wasted at all 
and am quite grateful for everything it showed me or encouraged me to see. 
After my daughter was born, there just wasn't the time, or energy, to 
follow this list as closely. My riding scaled back a bit. And in fact, I 
even sold my Hilsen. I still cycle daily and have even branched out my 
cycling by returning to mountain biking (I sold my Hilsen to buy a 
Krampus). I peek in on the Riv website from time to time and enjoy it. My 
LHT is set-up in a very Rivish manner with Noodles, Brooks, VP platform 
pedals, Sugino cranks, etc. But I have some other bikes which are less 
Rivish.  Some of you I still follow on Flickr. I continue to post on Flickr 
but not quite as frequently. My daughter just turned 3. It's amazing how 
the time flies. I'm stuck at work today but it's slowed down for the 
moment. Wishing you all the best. My favorite part of this list has always 
been and remains ride reports. Keep them coming.

--mike 

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Re: [RBW] Thank you and "Enjoy the Ride!"

[Patrick Moore]

I expect that Patrick hasn't so much lost interest in cycling as in cycling
lists, given what I've heard about the benefit that cycling, and in
particular, Rivendellian/Grantian cycling has had to his life. I know
another Patrick who ought to spend less time bothering cycling lists ...

On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 8:53 AM, masmojo  wrote:

> I totally understand where hes coming from, in my 48 years as a cyclist
> it's always been just one of many interests and my interest in cycling
> waxes and wanes.
> People come and go from the list, but just generally their comings and
> goings are not highlighted.
> At some point my bike builds will stabilize & I'll just get on with riding
> and probably not visit much either. I think that is probably true with most
> people, but DP is fairly unique in his deliberateness.
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Re: [RBW] Thank you and "Enjoy the Ride!"

[ascpgh]

The concern over DP's vector change clearly showed the impact that his out 
of the ordinary life and shared narrative provided the group. 

I always heard that charity and good acts are meaningless if observing 
their delivery is necessary. I think this list truly would want him to hear 
their departing salutations, compliments and tidings, but if they go 
unheard they are still as true. A tree has fallen in the woods...

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 7:53:19 PM UTC-4, Grant @ Rivendell 
wrote:
>
> If DP was sincere (and we all believe he was), then I doubt he's sitting 
> home reading the gush and glowing...which isn't to say slow down on it, 
> just that...he might not be actually reading it.
>
> I asked him to call and he did and I said *whuddup*, and he sounded as he 
> always has (we've spoken to him A LOT over the years), and I asked if there 
> was an event that lead to this, or like, if he was reacting to something 
> somebody may have said or something, and he laughed that off and said 
> No-Tho I don't remember his exact words, he said something along 
> the lines of he just wanted to spend less time online. Remember, he has had 
> a remarkable life and continues to live a life much different than most of 
> us do, and it's not a surprise that he OD's at a lower dose than the rest 
> of us. He seemed as happy as ever, I'm glad to report!
>
> G 
>
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 12:58 PM, RichS  > wrote:
>
>> DP, there isn't much more to say after so many kind words have been 
>> extolled by the group. It's touching and deeply felt. Wishing you all the 
>> best and if you ever decide on a second act here you'll be welcome with 
>> open arms and many grins:) :) ;) :) :)
>>
>> Take care!
>> Richard
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Re: [RBW] Thank you and "Enjoy the Ride!"

[Joe Bernard]

Thanks for the followup, GP. I OD at low levels, too, but I'm not smart enough 
to back away when I get there!

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Re: [RBW] Thank you and "Enjoy the Ride!"

[Robert Barr]

Thanks Grant, I had suspected as much. Bob

On Sep 15, 2016 6:53 PM, "Grant Petersen"  wrote:

> If DP was sincere (and we all believe he was), then I doubt he's sitting
> home reading the gush and glowing...which isn't to say slow down on it,
> just that...he might not be actually reading it.
>
> I asked him to call and he did and I said *whuddup*, and he sounded as he
> always has (we've spoken to him A LOT over the years), and I asked if there
> was an event that lead to this, or like, if he was reacting to something
> somebody may have said or something, and he laughed that off and said
> No-Tho I don't remember his exact words, he said something along
> the lines of he just wanted to spend less time online. Remember, he has had
> a remarkable life and continues to live a life much different than most of
> us do, and it's not a surprise that he OD's at a lower dose than the rest
> of us. He seemed as happy as ever, I'm glad to report!
>
> G
>
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 12:58 PM, RichS  wrote:
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>> extolled by the group. It's touching and deeply felt. Wishing you all the
>> best and if you ever decide on a second act here you'll be welcome with
>> open arms and many grins:) :) ;) :) :)
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Re: [RBW] Thank you and "Enjoy the Ride!"

[Grant Petersen]

If DP was sincere (and we all believe he was), then I doubt he's sitting
home reading the gush and glowing...which isn't to say slow down on it,
just that...he might not be actually reading it.

I asked him to call and he did and I said *whuddup*, and he sounded as he
always has (we've spoken to him A LOT over the years), and I asked if there
was an event that lead to this, or like, if he was reacting to something
somebody may have said or something, and he laughed that off and said
No-Tho I don't remember his exact words, he said something along
the lines of he just wanted to spend less time online. Remember, he has had
a remarkable life and continues to live a life much different than most of
us do, and it's not a surprise that he OD's at a lower dose than the rest
of us. He seemed as happy as ever, I'm glad to report!

G

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> DP, there isn't much more to say after so many kind words have been
> extolled by the group. It's touching and deeply felt. Wishing you all the
> best and if you ever decide on a second act here you'll be welcome with
> open arms and many grins:) :) ;) :) :)
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> Take care!
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Re: [RBW] Thank you and "Enjoy the Ride!"

[Bernie Burton]

Patrick--

Dominus Vobiscum!

Bernie Burton

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner) <
thomas.alling...@skadden.com> wrote:

> Patrick:
>
>
>
> This is terribly disappointing.  Your posts and pictures, and also your
> wide-ranging discussions, have been inspiring and thought-provoking for me
> – we are not always in agreement, but your manifest enjoyment of life (not
> just bikes, but bikes, too!) has been a great joy to see on this list.
>
>
>
> Like others, I hope you're not leaving because of a slight, real or
> perceived, in something posted on this site.  I believe there is genuine
> respect for you here, as a number of replies in this thread eloquently
> reflect.  Perhaps you'll reconsider, but whether you do or not, I wish you
> the very best in your travels in your new direction.  Stop in and see us
> from time to time!
>
>
>
> Very best,
>
> Tom
>
>
>
> *From:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@
> googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Deacon Patrick
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 13, 2016 7:05 PM
> *To:* Rivendell Owners Rivendell Owners Group
> *Subject:* [RBW] Thank you and "Enjoy the Ride!"
>
>
>
> I’m going to be riding off a different direction. Thank you all on this
> group — you have helped me tremendously as I’ve dived into wrenching and
> fine tuning the my rides. I am grateful for all you’ve given me. May God
> startle you with joy!
>
>
> With abandon,
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
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RE: [RBW] Thank you and "Enjoy the Ride!"

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Patrick:

This is terribly disappointing.  Your posts and pictures, and also your 
wide-ranging discussions, have been inspiring and thought-provoking for me – we 
are not always in agreement, but your manifest enjoyment of life (not just 
bikes, but bikes, too!) has been a great joy to see on this list.

Like others, I hope you're not leaving because of a slight, real or perceived, 
in something posted on this site.  I believe there is genuine respect for you 
here, as a number of replies in this thread eloquently reflect.  Perhaps you'll 
reconsider, but whether you do or not, I wish you the very best in your travels 
in your new direction.  Stop in and see us from time to time!

Very best,
Tom

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Deacon Patrick
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 7:05 PM
To: Rivendell Owners Rivendell Owners Group
Subject: [RBW] Thank you and "Enjoy the Ride!"

I’m going to be riding off a different direction. Thank you all on this group — 
you have helped me tremendously as I’ve dived into wrenching and fine tuning 
the my rides. I am grateful for all you’ve given me. May God startle you with 
joy!

With abandon,
Patrick

www.OurHolyConception.org
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Re: [RBW] Thank you and "Enjoy the Ride!"

[René Sterental]

Patrick,

Thank you for your inspiration and counsel. I will miss your regular posts
and adventures reminding me of what to aim for. You enriched my life in
many ways, even if I've been slow to heed your counsel. But it's there as a
beacon. Don't doubt it.

I hope you stay. I hope to be able to visit you one day.

René

On Wednesday, September 14, 2016, Matt B.  wrote:

> yeah what they said!  different direction or not, if you're riding, keep
> posting!
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 7:04:44 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> I’m going to be riding off a different direction. Thank you all on this
>> group — you have helped me tremendously as I’ve dived into wrenching and
>> fine tuning the my rides. I am grateful for all you’ve given me. May God
>> startle you with joy!
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
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>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
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Re: [RBW] Thank you and "Enjoy the Ride!"

[Patrick Moore]

Oh, don't go! We need you!

Seriously, please stay on board.

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> I’m going to be riding off a different direction. Thank you all on this
> group — you have helped me tremendously as I’ve dived into wrenching and
> fine tuning the my rides. I am grateful for all you’ve given me. May God
> startle you with joy!
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> Patrick
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Re: [RBW] Thank you lawyers

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I’ve always heard that there is some cutoff point below which the tabs aren’t 
required, but I don’t know if that’s truth or legend.

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 On Mar 10, 2015, at 7:35 AM, Anton Tutter atut...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I know they are mandated by the CPSC, but does the CPSC have power to require 
 them to be included on forks manufactured at some threshold quantity?
 
 
 Anton
 
 
 On Monday, March 9, 2015 at 6:39:19 PM UTC-4, Andrew Marchant-Shapiro wrote:
 I'm an attorney, and as I have defended lawyers from blame for this invention 
 in the past, I must now deny my fellow counselors credit.  They're 
 undoubtedly the work of some sniveling industry boss (quite possibly a 
 lawyer) who feared lawsuits; as far as I know, there is no legal requirement, 
 and, in fact, my VO randonneur came without them.
 
 On Monday, March 9, 2015 at 1:38:32 PM UTC-4, Justin August wrote:
 Who says that? 
 
 People who forgot to tighten down their bolts on their front wheels after a 
 new build of their SimpleOne, that's who! 
 
 From lawyers lip to gods ears... 
 
 -Justin, still breathing in San Francisco after riding to and from BART with 
 a loose wheel
 
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RE: [RBW] Thank you lawyers

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Unusual headline.

At least from the POV of this lawyer...

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Who says that?

People who forgot to tighten down their bolts on their front wheels after a new 
build of their SimpleOne, that's who!

From lawyers lip to gods ears...

-Justin, still breathing in San Francisco after riding to and from BART with a 
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Re: [RBW] Thank you lawyers

[Patrick Moore]

I'm glad you are safe. One day, after commuting across town some 15 miles,
I picked up my bike and the front wheel fell out of the dropouts.

There's a special Providence that watches over children, drunkards, and
the United States.



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 Who says that?

 People who forgot to tighten down their bolts on their front wheels after
 a new build of their SimpleOne, that's who!

 From lawyers lip to gods ears...

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Re: [RBW] Thank you lawyers

[Jim Bronson]

You picked a fine time to leave me..




.loose wheel

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 Who says that?

 People who forgot to tighten down their bolts on their front wheels after
 a new build of their SimpleOne, that's who!

 From lawyers lip to gods ears...

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Re: [RBW] Thank you lawyers

[Anton Tutter]

Ha!  My dad gave his kids freedom to be whatever they wanted to be... 
except lawyers. Forbade it. This, coming from a lawyer.

Anton


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 Unusual headline. 

 At least from the POV of this lawyer... === 


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RE: [RBW] Thank you lawyers

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Occasional to routine self-flagellation:  a common occupational hazard.

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Ha!  My dad gave his kids freedom to be whatever they wanted to be... except 
lawyers. Forbade it. This, coming from a lawyer.

Anton


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Re: [RBW] Thank you lawyers

[ascpgh]

I was sure that your line was to be of bottom bracket failure:

You picked a fine time to leave me...loose seal.

The barkeeper at the taproom proximate to my abode in college was a lawyer. 

Andy Cheatham
PIttsburgh

On Monday, March 9, 2015 at 2:03:21 PM UTC-4, Jim Bronson wrote:

 You picked a fine time to leave me..




 .loose wheel

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 Who says that?

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Re: [RBW] Thank you lawyers

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Jim Bronson, that was one amazing pun!!!

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Re: [RBW] Thank you for the photos (AKA vicarious rides)

[Deacon Patrick]

Thanks, Bob. I got out this morning for a wondrous 4 mile ride through 
golden aspen lined mountain road, a wee run, and pipe. It sure feels good 
to get out again!

It's a funny thing, looking through everyone's trip photos not having 
memory -- I remember your trips as well as I remember mine! Sardonic grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, October 12, 2013 6:32:07 PM UTC-6, Robert Barr wrote:

 Hope you can ride soon! Bob


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 Ditto.

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Re: [RBW] Thank you for the photos (AKA vicarious rides)

[Robert Barr]

Hope you can ride soon! Bob


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 Ditto.

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RE: [RBW] Thank you

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Fantastic pics, Manny.  Thanks for posting.  And I know I don't have to say 
Enjoy the new wheels because I KNOW you will.


From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Manuel Acosta
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 12:58 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Thank you

Nothing beats New Bike Day. Rode the new bike to work. It was funny because my 
student's seem more excited about the bike then I am.  LIke any new shiny thing 
with wheels, all the kids wanted to ride it. I'm not good at describing the 
feel of a new steel bike so I'll quote some of the things the kids say.  So 
smooth,  The pedals are smart,  This bike feels so right!  was the general 
conversation after students took turns riding it around the school. So since 
school got out early I took the long way home. Decided to see if there was a 
way to bike from Ed Levin to Mission Peak. There is but not an easy way. The 
maiden bike voyage turned into a maiden hike the bike uphills.  But the new 
bike got dirty so all was well.

It's kind of hard to describe how guilt ridden I felt having to receive such a 
nice gift. Call it my stubbornness to accept help or my pride of having to try 
and deal with my mistakes on my own. Having gotten to talk to a bunch of people 
on the forum in person they really helped me understand that it's okay to 
accept other people's help. Grant put in better words Everybody who helps you 
will be getting more out of it than they're giving, so you can legitimately 
think of this as a gift the givers are giving to themselves. It's interesting 
to note that despite how amazing this gesture is that the  lovely folks at 
Rivendell HQ didn't make a huge deal about it. Which made me feel a lot more 
comfortable about accepting the bike, since it was done a month ago. (alas I 
don't check my voice messages) It was funny because of how awkward I felt 
during the last few months about the bike I didn't really have the courage to 
ask about the progress or if it was even done. I figured when the bike was 
ready and the time was right it would be done.
This bike is more meaningful to me knowing that so many people were willing to 
contribute in so many ways. It's hard to even express a really thank you over a 
simple forum, so I'll just do it through pictures.

Because pictures proved how grateful I am.
http://flic.kr/s/aHsjzqBUdq

-Manny Now to get it dirty Acosta


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Re: [RBW] Thank you

[jimD]

Manny,
Congratualtions! I'm looking forward to the accounts (and the photos that prove 
they happen) of the adventures you undertake with the new bike. The maiden 
voyage seems perfect in that regard.
The pictures of the kid checking out the bike are great!
Cheers,
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On May 19, 2012, at 9:57 PM, Manuel Acosta wrote:

 Nothing beats New Bike Day. Rode the new bike to work. It was funny because 
 my student's seem more excited about the bike then I am.  LIke any new shiny 
 thing with wheels, all the kids wanted to ride it. I'm not good at describing 
 the feel of a new steel bike so I'll quote some of the things the kids say.  
 So smooth,  The pedals are smart,  This bike feels so right!  was the 
 general conversation after students took turns riding it around the school. 
 So since school got out early I took the long way home. Decided to see if 
 there was a way to bike from Ed Levin to Mission Peak. There is but not an 
 easy way. The maiden bike voyage turned into a maiden hike the bike uphills.  
 But the new bike got dirty so all was well.
 
 It's kind of hard to describe how guilt ridden I felt having to receive such 
 a nice gift. Call it my stubbornness to accept help or my pride of having to 
 try and deal with my mistakes on my own. Having gotten to talk to a bunch of 
 people on the forum in person they really helped me understand that it's okay 
 to accept other people's help. Grant put in better words Everybody who helps 
 you will be getting more out of it than they're giving, so you can 
 legitimately think of this as a gift the givers are giving to themselves. 
 It's interesting to note that despite how amazing this gesture is that the  
 lovely folks at Rivendell HQ didn't make a huge deal about it. Which made me 
 feel a lot more comfortable about accepting the bike, since it was done a 
 month ago. (alas I don't check my voice messages) It was funny because of how 
 awkward I felt during the last few months about the bike I didn't really have 
 the courage to ask about the progress or if it was even done. I figured when 
 the bike was ready and the time was right it would be done. 
 This bike is more meaningful to me knowing that so many people were willing 
 to contribute in so many ways. It's hard to even express a really thank you 
 over a simple forum, so I'll just do it through pictures. 
 
 Because pictures proved how grateful I am.
 http://flic.kr/s/aHsjzqBUdq
 
 -Manny Now to get it dirty Acosta
 
 
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Re: [RBW] Thank you

[David Faller]

i just made that last photo into my desktop!

On 5/19/2012 9:57 PM, Manuel Acosta wrote:
Nothing beats New Bike Day. Rode the new bike to work. It was funny 
because my student's seem more excited about the bike then I am.  LIke 
any new shiny thing with wheels, all the kids wanted to ride it. I'm 
not good at describing the feel of a new steel bike so I'll quote some 
of the things the kids say.  So smooth,  The pedals are smart,  
This bike feels so right!  was the general conversation after 
students took turns riding it around the school. So since school got 
out early I took the long way home. Decided to see if there was a way 
to bike from Ed Levin to Mission Peak. There is but not an easy way. 
The maiden bike voyage turned into a maiden hike the bike uphills. 
 But the new bike got dirty so all was well.


It's kind of hard to describe how guilt ridden I felt having to 
receive such a nice gift. Call it my stubbornness to accept help or my 
pride of having to try and deal with my mistakes on my own. Having 
gotten to talk to a bunch of people on the forum in person they really 
helped me understand that it's okay to accept other people's help. 
Grant put in better words Everybody who helps you will be getting 
more out of it than they're giving, so you can legitimately think of 
this as a gift the givers are giving to themselves. It's interesting 
to note that despite how amazing this gesture is that the  lovely 
folks at Rivendell HQ didn't make a huge deal about it. Which made me 
feel a lot more comfortable about accepting the bike, since it was 
done a month ago. (alas I don't check my voice messages) It was funny 
because of how awkward I felt during the last few months about the 
bike I didn't really have the courage to ask about the progress or if 
it was even done. I figured when the bike was ready and the time was 
right it would be done.
This bike is more meaningful to me knowing that so many people were 
willing to contribute in so many ways. It's hard to even express a 
really thank you over a simple forum, so I'll just do it through 
pictures.


Because pictures proved how grateful I am.
http://flic.kr/s/aHsjzqBUdq

-Manny Now to get it dirty Acosta

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Re: [RBW] Thank You for Marin County Advice - Erik, Mike, Jim, Phil

[erik jensen]

you are certainly welcome!

staying off the trails is a good bet--it'll take a while to dry out after
this much consistent rain.

i'll be back in town this thursday, and will have to go to work (already
took the holiday vacation), so i won't be able to join you. if you need any
bits or tools to solve any issues, i'm in oakland and can help you out with
that though.

don't miss the bovine bakery in pt reyes station, and there's a nice
fireroad near there that is 3 miles or so out to arch rock--it's very easy
(even in the rain, i'd imagine), and there's a bike rack where it closes to
bikers. that's a nice spot to hit when the weather is bad, since it's easy
enough--bad weather is magic for having trails to yourself, too, even here!
28s'd be ok, as it's well maintained by the national park service.

anyway, here's a link to that hike described by a hiker;
http://www.bahiker.com/northbayhikes/prbv.html

and photos from my blog;
here http://bikenoir.blogspot.com/2009/11/marin-minitour-203.html and then
here http://bikenoir.blogspot.com/2009/12/marin-minitour-25-3.html

enjoy the riding! it's a wonderful time to be out, i find these misty rainy
days to be so calming on the bike.

erik

On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 1:36 AM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.netwrote:


 I want to take a moment to thank Erik Jensen, Mike, Jim E, and Phil
 Bickford for their extremely informative advice on underbiking it on Bolinas
 Ridge Fire Road in Marin County, CA. You all gave me very useful things to
 think about and helped me to visualize what the trail would feel like.

 I still haven't done my ride in Marin. If I hadn't rained, I am sure I
 would have gone for the fire trail on the Rambouillet, and just ridden
 conservatively enough to be able to dismount if things got too technical
 downhill. But given the recent wetness, I've decided to cut dirt roads out
 of my mini-tour of Marin County. I am still hoping to do some road riding in
 Marin this coming week. I'm getting ready to switch from JB's to Roughy
 Toughy's for this ride and to put some fenders on the Ram. (Fenders and JB's
 probably won't fit, but if by some miracle they do, the pictures will come
 here first.) I checked the Riv site thinking, Splats. Sold out. Now that I
 need them, this fact registers with me.

 Anyway, thanks again,
 Jim W.


 p.s. e-mail me if anyone sees a possibility of joining me to ride this
 week. I'm thinking Thursday. Wednesday could be good if avoiding rain is not
 a concern. Showers in the Wednesday's forecast. Rain for Tuesday. Tomorrow
 is looking clear.

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