subject:"Re\: \[RBW\] Re\: 1 bike\? Could you do it\?"

Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2014-01-03 Thread Tony DeFilippo

If anything I've conciously gone the opposite direction this year... I 
started the year with 'one' bike, the 650B Trek 715 project.  I start 2014 
with the 650B Trek, Atlantis, XO-3 and MB-3 (not counting wife's bikes or 
tandem(s)).  A bit ridiculous.  My thoughts are that 2013 was about the 
exhuberence of getting into the bike geekdom, learning alot about different 
kinds of bikes/components and riding more than the combined total of my 
life up till then.  I haven't dived in so quickly to a new hobby/interest 
at any other point in my life but it's been a ton of fun.  I like this 
resucitated thread becuase I think it would be usefull both in theory and 
in practice to 'rationalize' my bike's over the coming year.  As of today 
I've got three primary 'needs' from a bike and one 'growth area'

Needs:
-Commuting, ~4 days a week all year around paved.
-Utility, errand running, not massive costco runs or multi-day grocery but 
2 basket load type shopping
-Sport Riding, mixed surface short of aggressive single track, 80/20 on 
pavement though

Growth Area:
-Off road rambling, my family has some wooded property about 2 hrs from my 
home with fire roads, creek crossings and ATV trails.  I'm planning on 
building a small shed out there to make camping easier and I'd like to have 
a couple bikes to enjoy out there.

One bike from what I already own = Atlantis (if it fit slightly better!)

For my needs though I like Jan's thoughts on his blog and earlier in this 
thread, two bikes makes sense to me both from a redundancy perspective, 
ability to tinker and maintaining some flavor in your choices.  Stripping 
away any specific's of my current bikes here is what I'd want in my own 2 
bike solution for the 'needs';

Common Characteristics:
-~60cm, 90 PBH
-Wheel size same (natural, no conversions)
-Fender/Rack-able w/ ease
-Tire clearance =45mm (42 w/ fenders)
-Rear dropout same
-Rim brake
-Capable of front loading
-Dyno light friendly
-Common parts where possible (same type brake pads, same cranks/chainrings, 
interchangeable drive train's)
-One or the other less flashy overall (not quite beater, but easier to 
leave locked up outside a bar)

Bike 1 (sport)
-lighter tubing spec
-Drop Bars/Moustache (perhaps set up w/ cable splitters for hot-swap)
-Front rack only, rear saddlebag option

Bike 2 (utility)
-stouter tubing spec
-Upright cockpit, Alba's most likely
-Front and rear racks, w/ baskets

Wheelsets:
-Fancy: Phil/Paul/WI Rear Cassette hub  SON Dyno Front Hub, Dyad or 
lighter Rim
-Just as good/half as expensive: Shimano Rear Cassette  Shimano Dyno, Dyad 
or heavier Rim
-SS: WI Eccentric Rear free/free  WI Eno Front, Dyad

Tire Rotation:
-Hetre like (preferrably hetre actual) x2
-Light knobby
-Winter Studded

Now that I've laid out some rqmts'... here is what comes to mind for bike 
1/2 options;

700C
Homer/Hillborne + Atlantis/Hunq (except there's no beater here... :) )
OAC Rambler + Surly Ogre (Rear OLD mismatch, perhaps w/ a fat front 
option!, no lugs here though :( )

650B
Big Saluki/650B Homer (anyone?) + Bombadil (roll out the truckloads of $$$, 
but wow this would be sweeet!, and also no beater)
Boulder All-Road + VO Polyvalent
Rawland Stag/rSOGN + . (not that many rim brake utility 650B's out 
there)

26
Bstone XO-1/ MB-1 + Surly LHT SS 26er (tough to find the XO/MB)
Handsome XOXO + Surly Troll

Ahhh gear musings... 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2014-01-03 Thread Bruce Herbitter

I suppose it would be my Ram.  My favorite bike is the Road, which gets 
most of the miles each year, but is too pretty to abuse off paved 
surfaces. The Ram will take 1 1/2 rubber which handles grass and dirt 
fine at about 55 psi, while still doing well on pavement. It takes 
fenders and racks and has an all day comfort layout.


I haven't added any bikes in the past 4 years, and am trending to 
cutting down in a number of areas this year (I started to sell some of 
fountain pens last week, as an example) so while it may not get to ONE 
bike, it may get to two bikes.


Bruce



On 1/3/2014 8:44 AM, Tony DeFilippo wrote:

If anything I've conciously gone the opposite direction this year..


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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2014-01-03 Thread Hugh Smitham

Ah it seems you left out as a possible 650b the Rambler? Have you
eliminated it from your possible choices? After reading
http://baiku-velomann.blogspot.com/2013/12/rambler-ride-report-and-review.html
this
review my next bike?

~Hugh

Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving. -- Albert Einstein

http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 6:44 AM, Tony DeFilippo vpi...@gmail.com wrote:

 If anything I've conciously gone the opposite direction this year... I
 started the year with 'one' bike, the 650B Trek 715 project.  I start 2014
 with the 650B Trek, Atlantis, XO-3 and MB-3 (not counting wife's bikes or
 tandem(s)).  A bit ridiculous.  My thoughts are that 2013 was about the
 exhuberence of getting into the bike geekdom, learning alot about different
 kinds of bikes/components and riding more than the combined total of my
 life up till then.  I haven't dived in so quickly to a new hobby/interest
 at any other point in my life but it's been a ton of fun.  I like this
 resucitated thread becuase I think it would be usefull both in theory and
 in practice to 'rationalize' my bike's over the coming year.  As of today
 I've got three primary 'needs' from a bike and one 'growth area'

 Needs:
 -Commuting, ~4 days a week all year around paved.
 -Utility, errand running, not massive costco runs or multi-day grocery but
 2 basket load type shopping
 -Sport Riding, mixed surface short of aggressive single track, 80/20 on
 pavement though

 Growth Area:
 -Off road rambling, my family has some wooded property about 2 hrs from my
 home with fire roads, creek crossings and ATV trails.  I'm planning on
 building a small shed out there to make camping easier and I'd like to have
 a couple bikes to enjoy out there.

 One bike from what I already own = Atlantis (if it fit slightly better!)

 For my needs though I like Jan's thoughts on his blog and earlier in this
 thread, two bikes makes sense to me both from a redundancy perspective,
 ability to tinker and maintaining some flavor in your choices.  Stripping
 away any specific's of my current bikes here is what I'd want in my own 2
 bike solution for the 'needs';

 Common Characteristics:
 -~60cm, 90 PBH
 -Wheel size same (natural, no conversions)
 -Fender/Rack-able w/ ease
 -Tire clearance =45mm (42 w/ fenders)
 -Rear dropout same
 -Rim brake
 -Capable of front loading
 -Dyno light friendly
 -Common parts where possible (same type brake pads, same
 cranks/chainrings, interchangeable drive train's)
 -One or the other less flashy overall (not quite beater, but easier to
 leave locked up outside a bar)

 Bike 1 (sport)
 -lighter tubing spec
 -Drop Bars/Moustache (perhaps set up w/ cable splitters for hot-swap)
 -Front rack only, rear saddlebag option

 Bike 2 (utility)
 -stouter tubing spec
 -Upright cockpit, Alba's most likely
 -Front and rear racks, w/ baskets

 Wheelsets:
 -Fancy: Phil/Paul/WI Rear Cassette hub  SON Dyno Front Hub, Dyad or
 lighter Rim
 -Just as good/half as expensive: Shimano Rear Cassette  Shimano Dyno,
 Dyad or heavier Rim
 -SS: WI Eccentric Rear free/free  WI Eno Front, Dyad

 Tire Rotation:
 -Hetre like (preferrably hetre actual) x2
 -Light knobby
 -Winter Studded

 Now that I've laid out some rqmts'... here is what comes to mind for bike
 1/2 options;

 700C
 Homer/Hillborne + Atlantis/Hunq (except there's no beater here... :) )
 OAC Rambler + Surly Ogre (Rear OLD mismatch, perhaps w/ a fat front
 option!, no lugs here though :( )

 650B
 Big Saluki/650B Homer (anyone?) + Bombadil (roll out the truckloads of
 $$$, but wow this would be sweeet!, and also no beater)
 Boulder All-Road + VO Polyvalent
 Rawland Stag/rSOGN + . (not that many rim brake utility 650B's out
 there)

 26
 Bstone XO-1/ MB-1 + Surly LHT SS 26er (tough to find the XO/MB)
 Handsome XOXO + Surly Troll

 Ahhh gear musings...

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2014-01-03 Thread Steve Palincsar


On 01/03/2014 11:20 AM, Hugh Smitham wrote:
Ah it seems you left out as a possible 650b the Rambler? Have you 
eliminated it from your possible choices? After reading 
http://baiku-velomann.blogspot.com/2013/12/rambler-ride-report-and-review.html this 
review my next bike?


IIRC, Tony is tall enough that the Rambler doesn't come in 650B in his size.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2014-01-03 Thread Hugh Smitham

You are correct Steve.

~Hugh

Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving. -- Albert Einstein

http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

 On 01/03/2014 11:20 AM, Hugh Smitham wrote:

 Ah it seems you left out as a possible 650b the Rambler? Have you
 eliminated it from your possible choices? After reading
 http://baiku-velomann.blogspot.com/2013/12/rambler-
 ride-report-and-review.html this review my next bike?


 IIRC, Tony is tall enough that the Rambler doesn't come in 650B in his
 size.


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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2014-01-02 Thread Jim Bronson

I could cut down to one bike if it wasn't for bike thieves.  I'm not about
to lock up my Rivendell in front of the grocery store, or to the bike rack
at work.  For that I have my beater bike, an early 80s Nishiki.


On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 4:13 PM, justinaug...@gmail.com wrote:

 Nice time to revive this thread!
 Who cut down to one bike this year?

 I'm moving (back) to Oakland this summer and am in the process of deciding
 whether or not to go down to 1 bike or 2 (at 3). Pay aspirational
 minimalist really wants to do this. My sentimental attachments tell me no.

 Who did it? Who didn't? How did it work or why didn't it?

 -J

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2014-01-01 Thread Christopher Chen

My Hilsen has been that one bike for a year and a half now. It's been my
commuter, weekend rambler, two week tourer, fire road and singletrack
shredder, and moving truck. I think it's done a great job.

That all said, I'm having a second bike built up, basically a 650B, fat
tire, rough stuff porteur. I have no idea what kind of trouble it'll get me
into, but I'm looking forward to it. The idea is to give me a bike that'll
do two things the Homer doesn't do so great:

Handle big front loads, up to 50kg.
Take tires  40mm, for the real rough n' deep stuff.

Cheers

cc


On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 5:28 PM, hsmitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ah I guess the simple answer is Yes  No. Ha! For the past year I have
 made do with one bike the A. Homer Hilsen, truth be told I don't commute so
 I suppose it's not that crucial to have a back up bike in case of a
 failure/repair. With that said I'm a freak for bikes so back when this
 topic originally popped up early this year I knew I'd be building another
 bike an Atlantis, vintage Trek 850 and Trek 660 all of them riv'ed out.
 But lets just say if I could only have just one bike any of the Rivendell's
 past or present would suffice. Enough said!

 Happy New Year and welcome back Jeff hope to ride with you in this new
 year.

 ~Hugh

 Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving. -- Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/


 On Tuesday, December 31, 2013 11:10:40 AM UTC-8, Tim Tetrault wrote:

 What about a Sam Hilborne with a back up wheelset with cassette and
 tires/tubes installed and an extra chain in your saddlesack?

 On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 6:48:04 PM UTC-8, murphyjrfk wrote:

 Suppose the title says it all. But I've been a thinking about going down
 to 1---not a big step down cause I normally only have two three tops o'
 working bikes anyways. And the overlap is out of control. How many 26
 touring bikes does one fellow need deal. But I love what I love I guess.

 One bike? Could ya do it and what would it be?

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2013-07-07 Thread Christopher Chen

Yes. My 57cm Waterford Hilsen. There's another bike in the basement but
you'd never know it. It's fast, capable, and fun.
On Jul 5, 2013 10:01 AM, Evan Spacht evan.spa...@gmail.com wrote:

 my one bike: 47cm Toyo A.Homer Hilsen


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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2013-07-07 Thread ascpgh

By way of the magnitude of units produced and the entire car, drivetrain 
included, being (mostly) unique and produced by the same company seems to 
give them quite an edge in reliability and durability. 

My car is plan C in my line up at best, but my expectation of being able 
to undertake a thousand mile drive at any moment is not absurd, nor outside 
of common expectation for a car. 

The logic for bicycles being applied to cars would be true if one had 
really exceptional requirements from an automobile. Off the lot models 
provide a spectrum of choice and expense to suit most; the game changes 
when modifications are made which seems the inverse of bicycles. Parts of a 
bike are collected and assembled by the brands which individuals can do as 
well, if not better, if the budget is not concerning; don't like the wheels 
but the bike was a close-out deal if for the component group alone, build 
some that really suit you. The threads of car group discussions about 
changing OEM run-flat  tires to conventional ones and carrying a spare are 
epic.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Saturday, July 6, 2013 9:28:54 AM UTC-4, justin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Do you all own a backup car for each car you own, too?
 Seems like expensive logic to me!
 -J

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2013-07-07 Thread C.J. Filip

If living temporarily 2 years someplace, yes, probably, if I was involved 
with work and it was a boring location.  

I'm established in a town I moved to about three years ago with a nice mix 
of terrain, road surfaces (and qualities) and my Saluki could definitely do 
all the things I want it to but a dedicated cross county mtb, a beater 
cross bike, a dedicated road bike (anti-unracer) are permanent residents.  

Oh, and there's a bike stashed at my parents ~3000 miles away for rides 
back in the hood.  Even if I eliminated all bikes here, there'd still be 
the Indy Fab back home. 

On Sunday, July 7, 2013 5:11:12 AM UTC-7, ascpgh wrote:

 By way of the magnitude of units produced and the entire car, drivetrain 
 included, being (mostly) unique and produced by the same company seems to 
 give them quite an edge in reliability and durability. 

 My car is plan C in my line up at best, but my expectation of being able 
 to undertake a thousand mile drive at any moment is not absurd, nor outside 
 of common expectation for a car. 

 The logic for bicycles being applied to cars would be true if one had 
 really exceptional requirements from an automobile. Off the lot models 
 provide a spectrum of choice and expense to suit most; the game changes 
 when modifications are made which seems the inverse of bicycles. Parts of a 
 bike are collected and assembled by the brands which individuals can do as 
 well, if not better, if the budget is not concerning; don't like the wheels 
 but the bike was a close-out deal if for the component group alone, build 
 some that really suit you. The threads of car group discussions about 
 changing OEM run-flat  tires to conventional ones and carrying a spare are 
 epic.

 Andy Cheatham
 Pittsburgh

 On Saturday, July 6, 2013 9:28:54 AM UTC-4, justin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Do you all own a backup car for each car you own, too?
 Seems like expensive logic to me!
 -J



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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2013-07-07 Thread Eric Platt

Of course, even with cars, there is the concept of the winter beater.  A
northern concept for sure.

Of course, if forced, could go to one bike.  But then I wouldn't have
anything to tinker on!  As I've said before, it's like guitars.  Sure,
could have only one, but having more makes it easier to have the right tool
for the job.
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN


On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 9:19 AM, C.J. Filip c.j.fi...@hotmail.com wrote:

 If living temporarily 2 years someplace, yes, probably, if I was involved
 with work and it was a boring location.

 I'm established in a town I moved to about three years ago with a nice mix
 of terrain, road surfaces (and qualities) and my Saluki could definitely do
 all the things I want it to but a dedicated cross county mtb, a beater
 cross bike, a dedicated road bike (anti-unracer) are permanent residents.

 Oh, and there's a bike stashed at my parents ~3000 miles away for rides
 back in the hood.  Even if I eliminated all bikes here, there'd still be
 the Indy Fab back home.


 On Sunday, July 7, 2013 5:11:12 AM UTC-7, ascpgh wrote:

 By way of the magnitude of units produced and the entire car, drivetrain
 included, being (mostly) unique and produced by the same company seems to
 give them quite an edge in reliability and durability.

 My car is plan C in my line up at best, but my expectation of being
 able to undertake a thousand mile drive at any moment is not absurd, nor
 outside of common expectation for a car.

 The logic for bicycles being applied to cars would be true if one had
 really exceptional requirements from an automobile. Off the lot models
 provide a spectrum of choice and expense to suit most; the game changes
 when modifications are made which seems the inverse of bicycles. Parts of a
 bike are collected and assembled by the brands which individuals can do as
 well, if not better, if the budget is not concerning; don't like the wheels
 but the bike was a close-out deal if for the component group alone, build
 some that really suit you. The threads of car group discussions about
 changing OEM run-flat  tires to conventional ones and carrying a spare are
 epic.

 Andy Cheatham
 Pittsburgh

 On Saturday, July 6, 2013 9:28:54 AM UTC-4, justin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Do you all own a backup car for each car you own, too?
 Seems like expensive logic to me!
 -J

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2013-07-07 Thread Robert Barr

I am with Deacon Patrick. The Hunqapillar is a marvel, and a do-it-all
bicycle for me.Bob (Indianapolis)


On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 9:26 PM, hsmitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:

 Doing it  with my 58cm 650b Hilsen, tour bike, daily ride et al. Though I
 have plans...

 ~Hugh


 On Friday, July 5, 2013 1:40:54 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:


 Truth be told  you only have One bike ... ever.  It resides within
 you, not outside of you ;)

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2013-07-07 Thread James Warren



I am well 10 bikes now, and even though I've been a huge Rivendell bike fan 
with several in the collection, I am still somewhat shocked to learn this past 
year that, in a practical sense, I could give them up and do everything on the 
700x55 Hunqapillar. That bike is outstanding. I won't, but if I did, my riding 
would not suffer.


On Jul 7, 2013, at 8:14 PM, Robert Barr wrote:

 I am with Deacon Patrick. The Hunqapillar is a marvel, and a do-it-all 
 bicycle for me.Bob (Indianapolis)
 
 
 On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 9:26 PM, hsmitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:
 Doing it  with my 58cm 650b Hilsen, tour bike, daily ride et al. Though I 
 have plans...
 
 ~Hugh
 
 
 On Friday, July 5, 2013 1:40:54 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
 
 Truth be told  you only have One bike ... ever.  It resides within you, 
 not outside of you ;) 
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2013-07-06 Thread ascpgh


The contingency aspect of more than one bike gets my vote too; an obvious 
fault at the beginning of the morning commute; the flat tire with no time 
to spare. The worst for me, however, is the unpredictable quality of a part 
or piece issue. One bike would need to have each of high quality and 
durability; not all parts are available from a spectrum of quality that 
goes as high as King headsets or SKS BBs. A one bike would (Chris King 
cables?).

I had a front derailleur cable snap at the head on the way to work one 
morning at the foot of the biggest hill on my route. Elapsing time removed 
any moments to reflect upon cable quality (initial personal commentary not 
appropriate) and the various bodges to fix it so I picked up the perfect 
size of gravel  from the curb and stuck it in the parallelogram of the 
derailleur for a good middle ring chain line and got going with little time 
lost.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh


On Friday, July 5, 2013 4:26:04 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 Thanks.  There's a photo of me and the bike taken immediately after it 
 happened on my flickr site.  I was very lucky - not only didn't I get hurt, 
 my tumbling roll stopped about a foot short of a huge pile of dog shit.  It 
 must have looked horrible: people behind me on the ride thought I'd be dead 
 for sure. 

 Actually, one of the weirdest failures I've ever encountered happened as a 
 result of that crash.  After I had the bike fixed, Tom, Joan and I went for 
 a ride to the National Arboretum.  (Joan took some photos of the old 
 Capitol columns which I converted to BW; they're on my flickr site as 
 well.)  After we saw the columns, we went on to an overlook.  I stopped, 
 looked back wondering where Joan went, and discovered my front brake was 
 locked on.  Couldn't get the lever to move, couldn't get any slack into the 
 cable.  When Joan arrived the two of us spent around 10 min futzing with 
 the cable adjuster to get enough slack in the brake that I could ride. 

 Over the course of the next half hour, the brake slowly, miraculously, 
 healed itself.   

 When I took the bike to the LBS they disassembled the brake lever and 
 found inside the lever were to small pebbles that had gotten there when the 
 bike crashed.  They'd migrated to a position that jammed the brake lever, 
 and then as the ride went on, rolled a little and got out of the way again. 

 But looking at the dates of this message and the originals you're replying 
 to -- have you gotten really backed up, or has this message been circling 
 the Beltway somewhere since January? 

 - Original Message - 
 From: Montclair BobbyB montcla...@gmail.com javascript: 
 To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: 
 Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 9:52:44 AM 
 Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it? 

 Steve: 


 GLAD YOU WEREN'T INJURED You're irreplaceable. BB 

 On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:06:41 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: 

 On Wed, 2013-01-23 at 07:33 -0800, Jan Heine wrote: 
  
  I find that with fewer bikes, it's easier to keep them in top shape. 
  For many years, I raced and trained 12,000 miles a year and had a 
  single bike, without ever missing a ride or race due to the bike not 
  being rideable. 

 I recently had a bottom bracket spindle break on my George Longstaff 
 Audax. It took 10 days for the LBS to get the part and replace it. 


 I crashed. I walked away from it, and aside from the broken spindle, 
 the only damage was a slightly bent front derailleur that no longer 
 shifted well; getting that fixed only blew a day and a half. But bikes 
 often do get damaged in crashes, and sometimes in ways that can't be 
 fixed with a simple tweak (like a bent derailleur hanger). Forks bend. 
 Sometimes frames crack (I know a few people who have had to replace 
 carbon frames because they cracked when they fell over with two full 
 water bottles) and have to be replaced. 

 If I had to replace the fork on the Longstaff (assuming I could actually 
 even do that, the builder having been dead since 2003) it would take 
 months. Frame replacements can weeks, if it's a broken Cannondale or 
 Trek, or maybe years if it's something like Jan's Rene Herse. 

 Back in 2012, on the Longstaff, I discovered a cracked rear rim (Mavic 
 MA3) on Aug 13. I had the wheel rebuilt with an Open Pro at the LBS. 
 The new wheel was delivered Sept. 13. Almost all that time was 
 obtaining the rim, which was out of stock for about 3 weeks; the rest of 
 the time was the build itself. 

 Also in 2012, I had a cracked rear rim (this time, a Velocity Synergy). 
 Velocity replaced the rim and rebuilt the wheel under warranty. Bike 
 (this time, the MAP) was out of service from Feb 24 - March 2. 

 Besides extended deadlines waiting for parts or frame repairs, there's 
 another type of failure that Jan might not encounter. If you commute to 
 work and have to be there at a given time (yes, flex time is wonderful 
 but not everybody has flexible

Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2013-07-06 Thread justinaugust

Do you all own a backup car for each car you own, too?
Seems like expensive logic to me!
-J

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2013-07-05 Thread Montclair BobbyB

Steve:

GLAD YOU WEREN'T INJURED  You're irreplaceable.  BB

On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:06:41 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 On Wed, 2013-01-23 at 07:33 -0800, Jan Heine wrote: 
  
  I find that with fewer bikes, it's easier to keep them in top shape. 
  For many years, I raced and trained 12,000 miles a year and had a 
  single bike, without ever missing a ride or race due to the bike not 
  being rideable. 

 I recently had a bottom bracket spindle break on my George Longstaff 
 Audax.  It took 10 days for the LBS to get the part and replace it.   


 I crashed.  I walked away from it, and aside from the broken spindle, 
 the only damage was a slightly bent front derailleur that no longer 
 shifted well; getting that fixed only blew a day and a half.  But bikes 
 often do get damaged in crashes, and sometimes in ways that can't be 
 fixed with a simple tweak (like a bent derailleur hanger).  Forks bend. 
 Sometimes frames crack (I know a few people who have had to replace 
 carbon frames because they cracked when they fell over with two full 
 water bottles) and have to be replaced.   

 If I had to replace the fork on the Longstaff (assuming I could actually 
 even do that, the builder having been dead since 2003) it would take 
 months.  Frame replacements can weeks, if it's a broken Cannondale or 
 Trek, or maybe years if it's something like Jan's Rene Herse. 

 Back in 2012, on the Longstaff, I discovered a cracked rear rim (Mavic 
 MA3) on Aug 13. I had the wheel rebuilt with an Open Pro at the LBS. 
 The new wheel was delivered Sept. 13.  Almost all that time was 
 obtaining the rim, which was out of stock for about 3 weeks; the rest of 
 the time was the build itself. 

 Also in 2012, I had a cracked rear rim (this time, a Velocity Synergy). 
 Velocity replaced the rim and rebuilt the wheel under warranty.  Bike 
 (this time, the MAP) was out of service from Feb 24 - March 2. 

 Besides extended deadlines waiting for parts or frame repairs, there's 
 another type of failure that Jan might not encounter.  If you commute to 
 work and have to be there at a given time (yes, flex time is wonderful 
 but not everybody has flexible working hours) or if you are driving 
 30-90 minutes to the start of a club ride, finding the bike you intended 
 to ride with a flat tire first thing in the morning could be a major 
 problem.   

 While it can be a 10 minute job to fix a flat, it can also sometimes 
 turn into a 30 minute job.  After all, you first have to find what 
 caused the flat, and sometimes that's not so easy to do (especially if 
 you're far sighted).  And 30 minutes' late start on a 60 minute drive to 
 a ride start is almost certainly going to mean you'll miss the ride 
 start.   

 Maybe not a problem if you're fast (like Jan) and also have the cue 
 sheets, GPS data, etc., in advance (as is typical of a brevet;) but for 
 an ordinary bike club ride, where you only get the cue sheet when you 
 sign in, showing up late often means you miss the ride completely. 

 It's awfully nice in that event to have another bike you can grab, 
 that's ready to go except that it might need a few pounds of air in the 
 tires and a swap of gear into a different bike bag.  That's a 3 minute 
 job, and it means you won't be late for work and won't have to take 
 annual leave and get a scolding from a supervisor, or won't miss the 
 ride. 






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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2013-07-05 Thread Patrick Moore

I must say that I like bicycles optimized for particular uses and that I
find compromise bikes rather disappointing *if* they are all I have -- and
I don't want to limit my riding to one set of conditions.

For me, the barest minimum would be two: a lightish (sub 32 lb!) go-fastish
road bike that, at need, could carry up to, say 25 lb and that had lights
and was fender capable; and an off road bike that could take at least 70 mm
tires and that also could carry a rear load at need. In this regard, my '03
Curt and my Fargo would fit the bill and if someone held a gun to my head
and said, Choose two! it would be these two I'd choose.

But it is very nice to have, in order of desire, the gofast (for me,
nothing is more fun than climbing -- gradually, or if steep, briefly -- on
a light fixed gear; and the Ram which, by being in last place, is by no
means unloved: It's a wonderful bike, but its niche is precisely that of a
compromise bike, a gofast that can carry 40 lb grocery loads.

On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 3:21 AM, IanA attew...@gmail.com wrote:

 I enjoyed this article by Alex Wetmore (of this list, I believe)
 http://alexwetmore.org/?p=429

 He had a great write up linked of converting his Quickbeam into a 14 speed
 Rohloff IGH bicycle (link no longer works, sadly).  That Rohloff QB would
 be a contender for the only bike needed.

 Although I like Deacon Patrick's style - Hunqapillar, nothing more,
 nothing less.

 On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 7:48:04 PM UTC-7, murphyjrfk wrote:

 Suppose the title says it all. But I've been a thinking about going down
 to 1---not a big step down cause I normally only have two three tops o'
 working bikes anyways. And the overlap is out of control. How many 26
 touring bikes does one fellow need deal. But I love what I love I guess.

 One bike? Could ya do it and what would it be?

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2013-07-05 Thread Montclair BobbyB

I'm anxiously awaiting the thread If you could have 10 bikes, what would 
they be?  :)

On Friday, July 5, 2013 9:57:24 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

 I must say that I like bicycles optimized for particular uses and that I 
 find compromise bikes rather disappointing *if* they are all I have -- and 
 I don't want to limit my riding to one set of conditions.

 For me, the barest minimum would be two: a lightish (sub 32 lb!) 
 go-fastish road bike that, at need, could carry up to, say 25 lb and that 
 had lights and was fender capable; and an off road bike that could take at 
 least 70 mm tires and that also could carry a rear load at need. In this 
 regard, my '03 Curt and my Fargo would fit the bill and if someone held a 
 gun to my head and said, Choose two! it would be these two I'd choose.

 But it is very nice to have, in order of desire, the gofast (for me, 
 nothing is more fun than climbing -- gradually, or if steep, briefly -- on 
 a light fixed gear; and the Ram which, by being in last place, is by no 
 means unloved: It's a wonderful bike, but its niche is precisely that of a 
 compromise bike, a gofast that can carry 40 lb grocery loads.

 On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 3:21 AM, IanA atte...@gmail.com javascript:wrote:

 I enjoyed this article by Alex Wetmore (of this list, I believe) 
 http://alexwetmore.org/?p=429

 He had a great write up linked of converting his Quickbeam into a 14 
 speed Rohloff IGH bicycle (link no longer works, sadly).  That Rohloff QB 
 would be a contender for the only bike needed. 

 Although I like Deacon Patrick's style - Hunqapillar, nothing more, 
 nothing less.

 On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 7:48:04 PM UTC-7, murphyjrfk wrote:

 Suppose the title says it all. But I've been a thinking about going down 
 to 1---not a big step down cause I normally only have two three tops o' 
 working bikes anyways. And the overlap is out of control. How many 26 
 touring bikes does one fellow need deal. But I love what I love I guess. 

 One bike? Could ya do it and what would it be?

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2013-07-05 Thread Addison Wilhite

I'm anxiously awaiting the thread If you could have 10 bikes, what would
they be? :)

Agreed...this topic comes up every 3 months. Last time I said it was my
Della Santa which is the least practical choice but the most fun bike I
own. I'll stand by that choice.

Now 10 bikes...that will require some serious consideration. I'm half way
there with my Bridgestone MB-1, Rivendell Allrounder, Gunnar Sport, Gunnar
Crosshairs, and the aforementioned Della Santa. Off the top of by head:

Richard Sachs (road) - 2
Something Full Carbon road blah blah blah just because I can and this is my
fantasy
Yves Gomez
Full suspension tricked out mountain bike of some sort
Some sort of old school track bike (maybe like the Pinarello I foolishly
sold off)

Cheers

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montclairbob...@gmail.comwrote:

I'm anxiously awaiting the thread If you could have 10 bikes, what would
they be? :)

On Friday, July 5, 2013 9:57:24 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

I must say that I like bicycles optimized for particular uses and that I
find compromise bikes rather disappointing *if* they are all I have -- and
I don't want to limit my riding to one set of conditions.

For me, the barest minimum would be two: a lightish (sub 32 lb!)
go-fastish road bike that, at need, could carry up to, say 25 lb and that
had lights and was fender capable; and an off road bike that could take at
least 70 mm tires and that also could carry a rear load at need. In this
regard, my '03 Curt and my Fargo would fit the bill and if someone held a
gun to my head and said, Choose two! it would be these two I'd choose.

But it is very nice to have, in order of desire, the gofast (for me,
nothing is more fun than climbing -- gradually, or if steep, briefly -- on
a light fixed gear; and the Ram which, by being in last place, is by no
means unloved: It's a wonderful bike, but its niche is precisely that of a
compromise bike, a gofast that can carry 40 lb grocery loads.

On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 3:21 AM, IanA atte...@gmail.com wrote:

I enjoyed this article by Alex Wetmore (of this list, I believe)
http://alexwetmore.**org/?p=429 http://alexwetmore.org/?p=429

He had a great write up linked of converting his Quickbeam into a 14
speed Rohloff IGH bicycle (link no longer works, sadly). That Rohloff QB
would be a contender for the only bike needed.

Although I like Deacon Patrick's style - Hunqapillar, nothing more,
nothing less.

On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 7:48:04 PM UTC-7, murphyjrfk wrote:

Suppose the title says it all. But I've been a thinking about going
down to 1---not a big step down cause I normally only have two three tops
o' working bikes anyways. And the overlap is out of control. How many 26
touring bikes does one fellow need deal. But I love what I love I guess.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2013-07-05 Thread Deacon Patrick

Great point, Patrick. For me, the Hunqapillar IS optimized for my use. If I 
had a go-fast, I'd want it able to handle what my Hunqa can do off road 
because that's where I want to ride. Dedicated mountain bike? Has to handle 
pavement for decades of miles because that's what's between what I ride. No 
compromises here.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, July 5, 2013 7:57:24 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:

 I must say that I like bicycles optimized for particular uses and that I 
 find compromise bikes rather disappointing *if* they are all I have -- and 
 I don't want to limit my riding to one set of conditions.

 For me, the barest minimum would be two: a lightish (sub 32 lb!) 
 go-fastish road bike that, at need, could carry up to, say 25 lb and that 
 had lights and was fender capable; and an off road bike that could take at 
 least 70 mm tires and that also could carry a rear load at need. In this 
 regard, my '03 Curt and my Fargo would fit the bill and if someone held a 
 gun to my head and said, Choose two! it would be these two I'd choose.

 But it is very nice to have, in order of desire, the gofast (for me, 
 nothing is more fun than climbing -- gradually, or if steep, briefly -- on 
 a light fixed gear; and the Ram which, by being in last place, is by no 
 means unloved: It's a wonderful bike, but its niche is precisely that of a 
 compromise bike, a gofast that can carry 40 lb grocery loads.

 On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 3:21 AM, IanA atte...@gmail.com javascript:wrote:

 I enjoyed this article by Alex Wetmore (of this list, I believe) 
 http://alexwetmore.org/?p=429

 He had a great write up linked of converting his Quickbeam into a 14 
 speed Rohloff IGH bicycle (link no longer works, sadly).  That Rohloff QB 
 would be a contender for the only bike needed. 

 Although I like Deacon Patrick's style - Hunqapillar, nothing more, 
 nothing less.

 On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 7:48:04 PM UTC-7, murphyjrfk wrote:

 Suppose the title says it all. But I've been a thinking about going down 
 to 1---not a big step down cause I normally only have two three tops o' 
 working bikes anyways. And the overlap is out of control. How many 26 
 touring bikes does one fellow need deal. But I love what I love I guess. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2013-07-05 Thread Patrick Moore

10? Easy. In order of importance:

Riv fixed errand.
Custom replacement for Fargo (ie, lighter, low bb, short tt, room for
Knards).
Riv fixed gofast
Very light SS 29er.
Ram (compromise gofast/longer distance/grocery bike)
Custom steel racer (a '70s style frame with Riv handling and 7 or 8 speed
indexing)
Grocery bike, short distance, fixed, no holds barred carriage -- say a
large milk crate, absolutely theft proof. (Have one in process).
Beater Ram (ie, built up like Ram for gofast groceries but one I wouldn't
mind losing if locked up outside Smith's).
British racing trike

Um, um, um, Oh! One of these!
http://www.wired.com/playbook/2013/05/cervelo-rca/

Juuust kidding, the '70s racer would take care of that niche. But it would
be nice at least to try, for an extended period, a modern CF racing bike.

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I'm anxiously awaiting the thread If you could have 10 bikes, what would
they be? :)

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2013-07-05 Thread Steve Palincsar

Thanks.  There's a photo of me and the bike taken immediately after it happened 
on my flickr site.  I was very lucky - not only didn't I get hurt, my tumbling 
roll stopped about a foot short of a huge pile of dog shit.  It must have 
looked horrible: people behind me on the ride thought I'd be dead for sure.

Actually, one of the weirdest failures I've ever encountered happened as a 
result of that crash.  After I had the bike fixed, Tom, Joan and I went for a 
ride to the National Arboretum.  (Joan took some photos of the old Capitol 
columns which I converted to BW; they're on my flickr site as well.)  After we 
saw the columns, we went on to an overlook.  I stopped, looked back wondering 
where Joan went, and discovered my front brake was locked on.  Couldn't get the 
lever to move, couldn't get any slack into the cable.  When Joan arrived the 
two of us spent around 10 min futzing with the cable adjuster to get enough 
slack in the brake that I could ride.

Over the course of the next half hour, the brake slowly, miraculously, healed 
itself.  

When I took the bike to the LBS they disassembled the brake lever and found 
inside the lever were to small pebbles that had gotten there when the bike 
crashed.  They'd migrated to a position that jammed the brake lever, and then 
as the ride went on, rolled a little and got out of the way again.

But looking at the dates of this message and the originals you're replying to 
-- have you gotten really backed up, or has this message been circling the 
Beltway somewhere since January?

- Original Message -
From: Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 9:52:44 AM
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

Steve: 


GLAD YOU WEREN'T INJURED You're irreplaceable. BB 

On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:06:41 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: 

On Wed, 2013-01-23 at 07:33 -0800, Jan Heine wrote: 
 
 I find that with fewer bikes, it's easier to keep them in top shape. 
 For many years, I raced and trained 12,000 miles a year and had a 
 single bike, without ever missing a ride or race due to the bike not 
 being rideable. 

I recently had a bottom bracket spindle break on my George Longstaff 
Audax. It took 10 days for the LBS to get the part and replace it. 


I crashed. I walked away from it, and aside from the broken spindle, 
the only damage was a slightly bent front derailleur that no longer 
shifted well; getting that fixed only blew a day and a half. But bikes 
often do get damaged in crashes, and sometimes in ways that can't be 
fixed with a simple tweak (like a bent derailleur hanger). Forks bend. 
Sometimes frames crack (I know a few people who have had to replace 
carbon frames because they cracked when they fell over with two full 
water bottles) and have to be replaced. 

If I had to replace the fork on the Longstaff (assuming I could actually 
even do that, the builder having been dead since 2003) it would take 
months. Frame replacements can weeks, if it's a broken Cannondale or 
Trek, or maybe years if it's something like Jan's Rene Herse. 

Back in 2012, on the Longstaff, I discovered a cracked rear rim (Mavic 
MA3) on Aug 13. I had the wheel rebuilt with an Open Pro at the LBS. 
The new wheel was delivered Sept. 13. Almost all that time was 
obtaining the rim, which was out of stock for about 3 weeks; the rest of 
the time was the build itself. 

Also in 2012, I had a cracked rear rim (this time, a Velocity Synergy). 
Velocity replaced the rim and rebuilt the wheel under warranty. Bike 
(this time, the MAP) was out of service from Feb 24 - March 2. 

Besides extended deadlines waiting for parts or frame repairs, there's 
another type of failure that Jan might not encounter. If you commute to 
work and have to be there at a given time (yes, flex time is wonderful 
but not everybody has flexible working hours) or if you are driving 
30-90 minutes to the start of a club ride, finding the bike you intended 
to ride with a flat tire first thing in the morning could be a major 
problem. 

While it can be a 10 minute job to fix a flat, it can also sometimes 
turn into a 30 minute job. After all, you first have to find what 
caused the flat, and sometimes that's not so easy to do (especially if 
you're far sighted). And 30 minutes' late start on a 60 minute drive to 
a ride start is almost certainly going to mean you'll miss the ride 
start. 

Maybe not a problem if you're fast (like Jan) and also have the cue 
sheets, GPS data, etc., in advance (as is typical of a brevet;) but for 
an ordinary bike club ride, where you only get the cue sheet when you 
sign in, showing up late often means you miss the ride completely. 

It's awfully nice in that event to have another bike you can grab, 
that's ready to go except that it might need a few pounds of air in the 
tires and a swap of gear into a different bike bag. That's a 3 minute 
job, and it means you won't be late for work

Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2013-07-05 Thread Peter Morgano

You can only ride one at once, unless you are in a circus act.


On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote:


 Truth be told  you only have One bike ... ever.  It resides within
 you, not outside of you ;)

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2013-07-05 Thread Patrick Moore

As the Fargo is for me for the same reasons. It rides well enough on
pavement, and handles fat tires for sandy soil, has more bb drop, and a
shortish tt so that I can easily ride drop bars. Not a fast pavement
cruiser, not a singletrack machine, but for my purposes, it is the
optimized compromize (should copyright that term).

I bet the Hunq would be even a better optimized compromise

Patrick Moore, who has to dash off because it looks like rain and the
blankety blank fenders were too narrow.

On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:

Great point, Patrick. For me, the Hunqapillar IS optimized for my use. If
I had a go-fast, I'd want it able to handle what my Hunqa can do off road
because that's where I want to ride. Dedicated mountain bike? Has to handle
pavement for decades of miles because that's what's between what I ride. No
compromises here.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, July 5, 2013 7:57:24 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:

On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 3:21 AM, IanA atte...@gmail.com wrote:

I enjoyed this article by Alex Wetmore (of this list, I believe)
http://alexwetmore.**org/?p=429 http://alexwetmore.org/?p=429

He had a great write up linked of converting his Quickbeam into a 14
speed Rohloff IGH bicycle (link no longer works, sadly). That Rohloff QB
would be a contender for the only bike needed.

Although I like Deacon Patrick's style - Hunqapillar, nothing more,
nothing less.

On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 7:48:04 PM UTC-7, murphyjrfk wrote:

One bike? Could ya do it and what would it be?

Albuquerque, NM

http://resumespecialties.com/index.html
patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com
http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/

Albuquerque, NM

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2013-07-05 Thread numbnuts

Hey All,
I could live with one bike quite easily, and even more so as I get 
olderexcept for...what would I do to satisfy my utter lust for 
rolling down a mountain on a full suspension trail eating marvel? I would 
need two.

Regards,
Chris
Redding, Ca.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2013-07-04 Thread Eric Daume

I'm currently at six, but with one for sale and one coming in the mail. I'm
trying to get down to three, which may be:

- a dedicated mountain bike. Not a it's pretty good on trails cross bike
with fat tires, but a real honest to goodness mountain bike. In my case,
that's a Specialized Stumpjumper.

- a bike for pulling the kids in the trailer and general errand running.
Right now, my Surly Cross Check, but this would be a nice spot for a Sam or
a Hunq, if, you know, it weren't for the double top tubes.

- a single speed, my upcoming Singular Gryphon.


I recently put up a blog post about this topic:

http://bikingtoplay.blogspot.com/2013/06/how-many-bikes-do-you-need.html

Eric Daume
Dublin, OH



On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Tim Tetrault ttetra...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have found my workable solution for now. I've owned a Sam Hilborne for
 almost a year, and just replaced the chain (9 speed). I commute on it
 daily, and it is my long ride/grocery getter/errand runner as well. I
 noticed a slight knocking in the free hub and felt a tinge of annoyance
 when I thought if my bike ever really broke down I would have to bus it or
 drive.

 I found a slightly too-small MB-3 (1992) on Cragilist and picked it up as
 my beater bike. That thing is nimble! And I have my solution. The Sam will
 still see the lion's share of the riding by the MB-3 awaits the days of
 repair, or just wanting a different ride. I already enjoy both of them more
 because of the other's presence.

 Oh geez, I'm waxing like their my kids...

 Tim/Seattle

 On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 6:48:04 PM UTC-8, murphyjrfk wrote:

 Suppose the title says it all. But I've been a thinking about going down
 to 1---not a big step down cause I normally only have two three tops o'
 working bikes anyways. And the overlap is out of control. How many 26
 touring bikes does one fellow need deal. But I love what I love I guess.

 One bike? Could ya do it and what would it be?

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2013-07-04 Thread Tim Gavin

Yes, easily. I've been riding my Rivendell Road alone for the last couple
months. If it were my only bike, I'd configure it with an Albastache, 650B
Lierre 38's, and a Carradice on the saddle. Which is how I'll have it set
up in a couple days. (well, Moustache bar for now)

However, I prove myself wrong because I bought a great Giordana (steel
Italian race bike) two weeks ago, at a great price. Not the bike I needed,
but she's a great ride.
https://picasaweb.google.com/109817667934112590257/GiordanaXLEco1996?authuser=0authkey=Gv1sRgCIHngI71nPyZagfeat=directlink

However, her standard race gearing is a too high for serious hills. At
least, for a clydesdale like me (#205). I need to speak to Riv about
ordering me an IRD 12-28 cassette... Or pulling a Sheldon Brown on it, to
fit the 11-28 cassette I already have on the older, non-C ultegra hub she
has.
http://sheldonbrown.com/k7.html
Anyone have an extra Hyperglide-C lock ring they could part with?

Tim/Iowa

On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Tim Tetrault ttetra...@gmail.com wrote:

I have found my workable solution for now. I've owned a Sam Hilborne for
almost a year, and just replaced the chain (9 speed). I commute on it
daily, and it is my long ride/grocery getter/errand runner as well. I
noticed a slight knocking in the free hub and felt a tinge of annoyance
when I thought if my bike ever really broke down I would have to bus it or
drive.

I found a slightly too-small MB-3 (1992) on Cragilist and picked it up as
my beater bike. That thing is nimble! And I have my solution. The Sam will
still see the lion's share of the riding by the MB-3 awaits the days of
repair, or just wanting a different ride. I already enjoy both of them more
because of the other's presence.

Oh geez, I'm waxing like their my kids...

Tim/Seattle

On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 6:48:04 PM UTC-8, murphyjrfk wrote:

Suppose the title says it all. But I've been a thinking about going down
to 1---not a big step down cause I normally only have two three tops o'
working bikes anyways. And the overlap is out of control. How many 26
touring bikes does one fellow need deal. But I love what I love I guess.

One bike? Could ya do it and what would it be?

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2013-07-04 Thread Eric Platt

Think I've answered this before but - probably not. At three (and one
frame in the rafters). That's about my limit either way. Hillborne with
flat bars, SimpleOne for single speed riding and my LHT with drops and 50mm
tires. Also used as a winter bike.

Could go to the Hilborne, but not sure would be comfortable riding it in
winter with the salt and all. (And yes, I know a number of folks who ride
there Rivendell bikes here in the Twin Cities all winter).
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Tim Gavin tim.ga...@littlevillagemag.comwrote:

However, I prove myself wrong because I bought a great Giordana (steel
Italian race bike) two weeks ago, at a great price. Not the bike I needed,
but she's a great ride.

https://picasaweb.google.com/109817667934112590257/GiordanaXLEco1996?authuser=0authkey=Gv1sRgCIHngI71nPyZagfeat=directlink

Tim/Iowa

On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Tim Tetrault ttetra...@gmail.com wrote:

Oh geez, I'm waxing like their my kids...

Tim/Seattle

On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 6:48:04 PM UTC-8, murphyjrfk wrote:

Suppose the title says it all. But I've been a thinking about going down
to 1---not a big step down cause I normally only have two three tops o'
working bikes anyways. And the overlap is out of control. How many 26
touring bikes does one fellow need deal. But I love what I love I guess.

One bike? Could ya do it and what would it be?

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2013-01-28 Thread Bruce Baker

Have some pics of this steed to show us??

On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 8:04 PM, capnjack capn_j...@bellsouth.net wrote:

 After riding for years, I, just last summer bought a SOMA Fabrications
 Extra Smoothie.   I am 65 and don't race, but I had a super light
 Specialized Roubaix Pro and it was just not comfortable.  I also rode a
 double suspension MTB, but I could not get into trail riding on a regular
 basis, partly because the trails stay wet most of the winter and they are
 not good for riding because they tear up the land.  Both bikes had been
 raced by their previous owners and I knew  was getting pro quality stuff.
 That is, until I rode the ES by SOMA.  I had met Grant Petersen and got a
 lot of insight from reading his book, Just Ride.
  I went with 700 X 28mm ruffy-tuffies and LOVE the ride.  I have now sold
 both other bikes and all I ride is the Extra Smoothie.  The frame only cost
 $399!  My total cost of the bike, including custom fitting by a Serotta
 dealer who really knows his stuff, only came to around $2 Grand.  This
 included custom wheels and most accessories you would find on a Sam or any
 other RIV inspired bike.  They have a great website and I do not have any
 commercial interest in the company.
 Best Wishes and good luck on your search.
 Number One-DO GET A PRO BIKE FIT-I wish I had done it years ago.

 Jack E
 Nashville, TN




 On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 8:48:04 PM UTC-6, murphyjrfk wrote:

 Suppose the title says it all. But I've been a thinking about going down
 to 1---not a big step down cause I normally only have two three tops o'
 working bikes anyways. And the overlap is out of control. How many 26
 touring bikes does one fellow need deal. But I love what I love I guess.

 One bike? Could ya do it and what would it be?

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2013-01-25 Thread Robert Zeidler

I'll have to get some pics. W/ disc brakes wheel size doesn't matter much. Am I 
going to run these man bike rims that much? Probably not but if the situation 
arises. 

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 24, 2013, at 12:01 PM, Joe Broach joebro...@gmail.com wrote:

 Whoa, the Adventure allows for Hetres or 26x2.2s?!? Do you have any photos of 
 this behemoth? Sounds (and probably is) one of a kind.
 
 Best,
 joe broach
 portland, or
 
 On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 4:18 AM, Robert Zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 I'd probably choose my Atlantis also. But, coming in 2d would be a Calfee CF 
 I had built last fall. It's built with the Adventure geometry/clearances and 
 I have 700c CX wheels, 700c lightweight road wheels, 700c CF tubeless wheels, 
 a set of 650b wheels w/ Hetres, and a generator, and lastly, 26 wheels w/ 
 Mountain Kings (tight clearance). SRAM 11-36, 180mm 48-34, all wheels are 
 Avid disc's, and the heaviest this bike weighs in 69cm is a little less than 
 22lbs. Frame is warranty of 25 years. 
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Jan 24, 2013, at 12:13 AM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote:
 
 
 Yes, I could reduce all the way down to Atlantis-only if I had to. It's that 
 good.
 Riding down Shafter (a Marin County dirt road) with 700x40 Extremes and a 
 camping load and feeling great on pretty steep dirt descending was another 
 moment where the bike impressed me, and this was after having ridden it for 
 11 years! And in the rest of that mini-tour, the paved riding was lovely as 
 well.
 
 - Jim W.
 
 -Original Message- 
 From: dougP 
 Sent: Jan 23, 2013 8:48 PM 
 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
 Subject: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it? 
 
 No worries - my Atlantis.  It's my ride 99% of the time.  The other 2 bikes 
 I have are pretty much retired  serve no need.  It's just fun to ride 
 something entirely different once in a while.  
 
 dougP
 
 On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 6:48:04 PM UTC-8, murphyjrfk wrote:
 Suppose the title says it all. But I've been a thinking about going down to 
 1---not a big step down cause I normally only have two three tops o' working 
 bikes anyways. And the overlap is out of control. How many 26 touring bikes 
 does one fellow need deal. But I love what I love I guess.
 One bike? Could ya do it and what would it be?
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2013-01-25 Thread robert zeidler

I'm trying that w/ the Calfee!!!

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 10:10 PM, Jan Heine hein...@earthlink.net wrote:
 For me, a single bike would have to combine the ultimate performance
 (like the best racing bike) with the ability to ride anytime, in any
 weather, and carry a load. A 650B randonneur bike, made from
 superlight tubing for optimum performance, and with a removable low-
 rider rack on the front, could do it. The load on the front doesn't
 require a stouter frame, so you wouldn't lose performance over a
 racing bike.

 As it is, most of my riding is on two bikes. I have a dedicated Urban
 Bike, because I do have to carry large boxes of books and magazines
 around town. The two bikes I ride most of the time are described here:

 http://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/10/30/how-many-bikes-do-i-need/

 For recreational and general transportation use, one bike would be
 quite feasible. In fact, since I prefer to focus on the ride rather
 than the bike, I don't really see the need to own several similar
 bikes that fill the same purpose. Given a choice, I'd prefer one truly
 awesome bike over a bunch of just nice ones.

 Jan Heine
 Editor
 Bicycle Quarterly
 www.bikequarterly.com

 Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2013-01-25 Thread Steven Frederick

You should build up a few loaners!  B-)

On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
thill@gmail.com wrote:

 My shop Hiawatha Cyclery is pretty bike-commuting-focused in a
 bike-commuting town. Lots of our customers are car-free and only have one
 bike. Often, when the one-bike commuter types have a need for repair, they
 ask us to expedite the repair in our queue on the grounds that they're
 car-free and the bike is their only transportation. My mechanic Mongo fixed
 cars for 25 years before retiring as a bike mechanic. He's unfazed by the
 car-free argument: you'd be surprised how many people only have one car,
 he says with a twinkle. Of course, we try very hard to make the repair
 process as seamless and quick as possible, but IMO a bike lifestyle type
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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2013-01-25 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery

I've loaned my own bikes to customers and friends who have proved to be 
trustworthy. It's not a bad idea, maybe, from a sales standpoint. If someone 
comes in with a crummy bike that needs $300 worth of work to become a 
functional crummy bike, a nicer loaner may sow the seeds of bike lust and 
future sales.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2013-01-24 Thread Robert Zeidler

I'd probably choose my Atlantis also. But, coming in 2d would be a Calfee CF I 
had built last fall. It's built with the Adventure geometry/clearances and I 
have 700c CX wheels, 700c lightweight road wheels, 700c CF tubeless wheels, a 
set of 650b wheels w/ Hetres, and a generator, and lastly, 26 wheels w/ 
Mountain Kings (tight clearance). SRAM 11-36, 180mm 48-34, all wheels are Avid 
disc's, and the heaviest this bike weighs in 69cm is a little less than 22lbs. 
Frame is warranty of 25 years. 

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 24, 2013, at 12:13 AM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote:

 
 Yes, I could reduce all the way down to Atlantis-only if I had to. It's that 
 good.
 Riding down Shafter (a Marin County dirt road) with 700x40 Extremes and a 
 camping load and feeling great on pretty steep dirt descending was another 
 moment where the bike impressed me, and this was after having ridden it for 
 11 years! And in the rest of that mini-tour, the paved riding was lovely as 
 well.
 
 - Jim W.
 
 -Original Message- 
 From: dougP 
 Sent: Jan 23, 2013 8:48 PM 
 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
 Subject: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it? 
 
 No worries - my Atlantis.  It's my ride 99% of the time.  The other 2 bikes I 
 have are pretty much retired  serve no need.  It's just fun to ride 
 something entirely different once in a while.  
 
 dougP
 
 On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 6:48:04 PM UTC-8, murphyjrfk wrote:
 Suppose the title says it all. But I've been a thinking about going down to 
 1---not a big step down cause I normally only have two three tops o' working 
 bikes anyways. And the overlap is out of control. How many 26 touring bikes 
 does one fellow need deal. But I love what I love I guess.
 One bike? Could ya do it and what would it be?
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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2013-01-24 Thread Cyclofiend Jim

Probably the worst thing you can do for a bike habit is work in a shop, as 
you get used to the ready access to workstand, tools set up and the 
constant access to replacement bits. If one bike feels a little crunchy, 
you use that one to ride to work, then strip and clean it a bit on your 
lunch break, or stay a bit late to get it humming again.  Without such an 
immediate setup at home, certain bikes get regular treatment, while others 
get bits poached off of them and rotated to the back of the rack and 
storage areas.  

My Quickbeam is far and away the first bike I think of when it comes time 
to ride.  The Hilsen next.  Both have been through all kinds of iterations 
of race bike, commute bike, rando bike, bike bike...   The Quickbeam just 
has something about it - the combo of saddle type, position and 
simplicity.  One Gear Always Works.  (Well, ok I did bust a chain once 
which made for a quick and not-quite-nasty moment of non-locomotion 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/4811477802/ )  The last couple 
rides on the Hilsen, the chain slipped a bit in the 6th or 7th position.  
When I got home and poked at the cogset, it turned out to be loose - the 
lockring had backed off just enough to let things shift under load.  

Now, I know those things happen.  And I know that if I rode one bike 
exclusively, I'd be more directly attuned to the quirks and clicks and 
entropy.  http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/3787167021/  

And other than component wear, either of those bikes would work. Moods 
strike me and I typically end up favoring one bike for a few months at a 
time.  The shifting system on the Hilsen is direct and positive and won't 
degrade over time.  If the Hilsen were orange, it would probably be a 
tougher choice.  But, as my father likes to say, it's a high class 
problem.

- Jim / cyclofiend.com

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2013-01-24 Thread Joe Broach

Whoa, the Adventure allows for Hetres or 26x2.2s?!? Do you have any photos
of this behemoth? Sounds (and probably is) one of a kind.

Best,
joe broach
portland, or

On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 4:18 AM, Robert Zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.comwrote:

 I'd probably choose my Atlantis also. But, coming in 2d would be a Calfee
 CF I had built last fall. It's built with the Adventure geometry/clearances
 and I have 700c CX wheels, 700c lightweight road wheels, 700c CF tubeless
 wheels, a set of 650b wheels w/ Hetres, and a generator, and lastly, 26
 wheels w/ Mountain Kings (tight clearance). SRAM 11-36, 180mm 48-34, all
 wheels are Avid disc's, and the heaviest this bike weighs in 69cm is a
 little less than 22lbs. Frame is warranty of 25 years.

 Sent from my iPad

 On Jan 24, 2013, at 12:13 AM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net
 wrote:


 Yes, I could reduce all the way down to Atlantis-only if I had to. It's
 that good.
 Riding down Shafter (a Marin County dirt road) with 700x40 Extremes and a
 camping load and feeling great on pretty steep dirt descending was
 another moment where the bike impressed me, and this was after having
 ridden it for 11 years! And in the rest of that mini-tour, the paved
 riding was lovely as well.

 - Jim W.

 -Original Message-
 From: dougP **
 Sent: Jan 23, 2013 8:48 PM
 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Subject: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

 No worries - my Atlantis.  It's my ride 99% of the time.  The other 2
 bikes I have are pretty much retired  serve no need.  It's just fun to
 ride something entirely different once in a while.

 dougP

 On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 6:48:04 PM UTC-8, murphyjrfk wrote:

 Suppose the title says it all. But I've been a thinking about going down
 to 1---not a big step down cause I normally only have two three tops o'
 working bikes anyways. And the overlap is out of control. How many 26
 touring bikes does one fellow need deal. But I love what I love I guess.

 One bike? Could ya do it and what would it be?

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2013-01-23 Thread Brian Hanson

I will have to stick with the Hilsen when I have to go to one bike.  I find
myself really enjoying Homer these days in its lightish rando format.  So
much so that I keep moving my Hunqa more toward the same layout.  It has
been shedding weight since I originally built it up, and the cockpits and
fit are now about the same.  I'm even going to swap in the Hilsen wheels to
see if it will ever get close.  I really feel the difference between the
two bikes on my daily commute.  I want to put this on the weight and
stiffer tires - Duremes vs. Jack Brown Greens, and the heavy lock vs. light
cable, or perhaps the 175mm 158mm Q cranks compared to the 171mm 143mm Q
Herse cranks on the Hilsen.   That being the case, a wheel change will be a
quick experiment.  I'm pretty sensitive to tire differences (Gran Bois
Cypres are sublime, with Big Apples on the other end of the spectrum for
me), and I'm also starting to notice crank length and tread, as well.
 Those are the more expensive things to test.  Let the fun begin!

Brian
Seattle, wa


On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 11:18 PM, Paul Y paulyeoh...@gmail.com wrote:

 Gosh, life would be a lot simpler if circumstances forced me to have just
 one bike. This ideal has been a mirage that I unconsciously wander
 towards but never quite arrive at. I'm down to 2 now, but a 3rd on the way,
 with plans to sell off 1 in later future... but the mind tends to keep
 wanting!

 If supernatural forces held me to just having one bike, then it'd be my
 Sam now, and if I could choose from scratch, cost not an issue (which it
 shouldn't be if reducing the stable to ONE bike!), maybe a custom steel
 mountain bike, fully rigid, massive clearances.



 On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 9:48:04 AM UTC+7, murphyjrfk wrote:

 Suppose the title says it all. But I've been a thinking about going down
 to 1---not a big step down cause I normally only have two three tops o'
 working bikes anyways. And the overlap is out of control. How many 26
 touring bikes does one fellow need deal. But I love what I love I guess.

 One bike? Could ya do it and what would it be?

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2013-01-23 Thread Eric Platt

Not sure I could get down to only one.  Have thought about it with my Cross
Check.  Then have a second wheelset for when I want to ride single speed.
But then I want the fatter tires that are on my LHT.

A 61cm Atlantis would probably be able to cover it all for me.  But then
I'd feel really guilty riding it in winter and getting it covered in salt.
Even with fenders.  So then would end up getting a Cross Check or similar
bike as a beater and then am back on the multiple bike wagon.

As it is, have been contemplating adding yet another bike to the stable, a
blue 60cm Sam Hillborne.  Hmm.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 5:24 AM, Trevor saxton saxton...@gmail.com wrote:

 Interesting post as I have been rolling this over in my mind over the past
 month or so,

 Realistically I'll always have at least 2 bikes, one is a my refurbished
  80s Bianchi which used to be my wife's has too much sentimental value to
 give up, I only use it for charity rides and has limited use beyond that.
  But I have found myself wondering if I could somehow roll up my Simplone,
 Hillborne (650b) and vo PolyValent into one awesome bike.

 Here's a couple of options I have come up with...

 A custom lightish 650b which could take some weight, running a 1x9
 drivetrain with the option to go single speed, single color with limited
 decals for leaving locked up outsidekind of a high end PolyValent...OR
 maybe a 650b quickbeam with 132.5  spacing running 42/32 upfront and a the
 option to run a 6spd freewheel which could be manually shifted across
 multiple gears.

 With either frame I could tinker until my hearts content.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2013-01-23 Thread Lyle Bogart

An interesting thread. . .

I've an Atlantis which is almost The Perfect Bike for me and I've also an
early fixed-gear-only version of a Rawland Drakkar. If the Atlantis had the
capacity to become a fixed gear with a simple swap o' the wheel it would be
The Perfect Bike. . . perhaps I should have the Atlantis modified with
horizontal drop outs. . .

Cheers!

lyle


On 23 January 2013 07:01, Eric Platt epericmpl...@gmail.com wrote:

 Not sure I could get down to only one.  Have thought about it with my
 Cross Check.  Then have a second wheelset for when I want to ride single
 speed.  But then I want the fatter tires that are on my LHT.

 A 61cm Atlantis would probably be able to cover it all for me.  But then
 I'd feel really guilty riding it in winter and getting it covered in salt.
 Even with fenders.  So then would end up getting a Cross Check or similar
 bike as a beater and then am back on the multiple bike wagon.

 As it is, have been contemplating adding yet another bike to the stable, a
 blue 60cm Sam Hillborne.  Hmm.

 Eric Platt
 St. Paul, MN

 On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 5:24 AM, Trevor saxton saxton...@gmail.comwrote:

 Interesting post as I have been rolling this over in my mind over the
 past month or so,

 Realistically I'll always have at least 2 bikes, one is a my refurbished
  80s Bianchi which used to be my wife's has too much sentimental value to
 give up, I only use it for charity rides and has limited use beyond that.
  But I have found myself wondering if I could somehow roll up my Simplone,
 Hillborne (650b) and vo PolyValent into one awesome bike.

 Here's a couple of options I have come up with...

 A custom lightish 650b which could take some weight, running a 1x9
 drivetrain with the option to go single speed, single color with limited
 decals for leaving locked up outsidekind of a high end PolyValent...OR
 maybe a 650b quickbeam with 132.5  spacing running 42/32 upfront and a the
 option to run a 6spd freewheel which could be manually shifted across
 multiple gears.

 With either frame I could tinker until my hearts content.

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RE: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2013-01-23 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J

You can do anything.  If I had to, it would be (hands down) my Atlantis, 
Alba bars, conventional Riv triple setup, dyno lights.  (I'm guessing there may 
be a lot of Atlantii in the answers to this post.)  I'm grateful I don't have 
to.

An interesting related question, for those who currently have more than one 
bike:  Is your favorite bike the same as the one you'd choose if you could 
only have one?  For me, the answer would be no - my favorite bike is my 
Quickbeam, but I'm too old and out of shape to make it work as my only bike.

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of shawn
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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

I have a Roadeo and an Atlantis, but If I could only have one bike it would 
most definitely be the Atlantis. You can do anything on an Atlantis. Because 
you can.

On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 9:48:04 PM UTC-5, murphyjrfk wrote:
Suppose the title says it all. But I've been a thinking about going down to 
1---not a big step down cause I normally only have two three tops o' working 
bikes anyways. And the overlap is out of control. How many 26 touring bikes 
does one fellow need deal. But I love what I love I guess.

One bike? Could ya do it and what would it be?
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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2013-01-23 Thread Steve Palincsar

On Wed, 2013-01-23 at 07:33 -0800, Jan Heine wrote:
 
 I find that with fewer bikes, it's easier to keep them in top shape.
 For many years, I raced and trained 12,000 miles a year and had a
 single bike, without ever missing a ride or race due to the bike not
 being rideable.

I recently had a bottom bracket spindle break on my George Longstaff
Audax.  It took 10 days for the LBS to get the part and replace it.  


I crashed.  I walked away from it, and aside from the broken spindle,
the only damage was a slightly bent front derailleur that no longer
shifted well; getting that fixed only blew a day and a half.  But bikes
often do get damaged in crashes, and sometimes in ways that can't be
fixed with a simple tweak (like a bent derailleur hanger).  Forks bend.
Sometimes frames crack (I know a few people who have had to replace
carbon frames because they cracked when they fell over with two full
water bottles) and have to be replaced.  

If I had to replace the fork on the Longstaff (assuming I could actually
even do that, the builder having been dead since 2003) it would take
months.  Frame replacements can weeks, if it's a broken Cannondale or 
Trek, or maybe years if it's something like Jan's Rene Herse.

Back in 2012, on the Longstaff, I discovered a cracked rear rim (Mavic
MA3) on Aug 13. I had the wheel rebuilt with an Open Pro at the LBS.
The new wheel was delivered Sept. 13.  Almost all that time was
obtaining the rim, which was out of stock for about 3 weeks; the rest of
the time was the build itself.

Also in 2012, I had a cracked rear rim (this time, a Velocity Synergy).
Velocity replaced the rim and rebuilt the wheel under warranty.  Bike
(this time, the MAP) was out of service from Feb 24 - March 2.

Besides extended deadlines waiting for parts or frame repairs, there's
another type of failure that Jan might not encounter.  If you commute to
work and have to be there at a given time (yes, flex time is wonderful
but not everybody has flexible working hours) or if you are driving
30-90 minutes to the start of a club ride, finding the bike you intended
to ride with a flat tire first thing in the morning could be a major
problem.  

While it can be a 10 minute job to fix a flat, it can also sometimes
turn into a 30 minute job.  After all, you first have to find what
caused the flat, and sometimes that's not so easy to do (especially if
you're far sighted).  And 30 minutes' late start on a 60 minute drive to
a ride start is almost certainly going to mean you'll miss the ride
start.  

Maybe not a problem if you're fast (like Jan) and also have the cue
sheets, GPS data, etc., in advance (as is typical of a brevet;) but for
an ordinary bike club ride, where you only get the cue sheet when you
sign in, showing up late often means you miss the ride completely.

It's awfully nice in that event to have another bike you can grab,
that's ready to go except that it might need a few pounds of air in the
tires and a swap of gear into a different bike bag.  That's a 3 minute
job, and it means you won't be late for work and won't have to take
annual leave and get a scolding from a supervisor, or won't miss the
ride.




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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2013-01-23 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery

My shop Hiawatha Cyclery is pretty bike-commuting-focused in a bike-commuting 
town. Lots of our customers are car-free and only have one bike. Often, when 
the one-bike commuter types have a need for repair, they ask us to expedite the 
repair in our queue on the grounds that they're car-free and the bike is their 
only transportation. My mechanic Mongo fixed cars for 25 years before 
retiring as a bike mechanic. He's unfazed by the car-free argument: you'd be 
surprised how many people only have one car, he says with a twinkle. Of 
course, we try very hard to make the repair process as seamless and quick as 
possible, but IMO a bike lifestyle type should have at least one fallback bike.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2013-01-23 Thread Jim Mather

On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 4:46 AM, Lyle Bogart lylebog...@gmail.com wrote:
If the Atlantis had the
 capacity to become a fixed gear with a simple swap o' the wheel it would be
 The Perfect Bike. . . perhaps I should have the Atlantis modified with
 horizontal drop outs. . .

All you need is a White Eno eccentric hub. Makes conversion to fixed
or SS easy. And much cheaper than modifying the frame.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2013-01-23 Thread Lyle Bogart

Jim,

How could I have forgotten about that?! Embarrassing!! Thanks for the
reminder--the Atlantis just got that much closer to The Perfect Bike :-)

Cheers!

lyle

On 23 January 2013 12:38, Jim Mather mather...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 4:46 AM, Lyle Bogart lylebog...@gmail.com wrote:
 If the Atlantis had the
  capacity to become a fixed gear with a simple swap o' the wheel it would
 be
  The Perfect Bike. . . perhaps I should have the Atlantis modified with
  horizontal drop outs. . .

 All you need is a White Eno eccentric hub. Makes conversion to fixed
 or SS easy. And much cheaper than modifying the frame.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2013-01-23 Thread Jim Mather

On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Lyle Bogart lylebog...@gmail.com wrote:
 Jim,

 How could I have forgotten about that?! Embarrassing!! Thanks for the
 reminder--the Atlantis just got that much closer to The Perfect Bike :-)

 Cheers!

 lyle

Of course, I'm not actually advocating for a one-bike solution, but I
have thought along those lines with my Bombadil.

happy trails
jim

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2013-01-23 Thread Brewster Fong


On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 7:19:14 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: 

 On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 19:10 -0800, Jan Heine wrote: 
  For recreational and general transportation use, one bike would be 
  quite feasible. In fact, since I prefer to focus on the ride rather 
  than the bike, I don't really see the need to own several similar 
  bikes that fill the same purpose. Given a choice, I'd prefer one truly 
  awesome bike over a bunch of just nice ones. 

 Great, right up to the moment something fails, you need a part, and the 
 bike goes on deadline.   

 I think that even if you're Jan and you have a bike parts company, there 
 are still going to be times when you have to order a part, or when you 
 have to take the bike down to the shop and they tell you it'll be a week 
 to ten days.   

 At that point, it's great to have at least two bikes! 

 
Bingo! When I use to ride only recreationally on the weekends, one bike was 
more than sufficient. However, now that I commute by bike, at least 4 times 
per week, I find that things do wear out or break and I need a second 
bike!  I now have two bikes that I take turns riding on my commute during 
the week and on my recreational ride on the weekend. I actually have a 
third mtb junker that was given to me - e.g., a 
ifsomeonestoleitthey'redoingmeafavor type of bike that I use when riding 
with my kids. Good Luck!

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2013-01-23 Thread Dan McNamara

That is a tough one. Right now two bikes - my '94 XO-4 and a green Ram.
Lots of overlap except the XO-4 can take a wider tire with fenders - I have
42s on it currently. The Ram is the club bike and the XO-4 is set up as the
grocery getter/baby hauler (Albas, racks etc.)

But if it were to be one bike I would probably go for a Hunq and a few sets
wheels/tires for different purposes. And probably a couple of cockpit
setups.

At that point I might as well have two bikes!

Dan

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 On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 6:48:04 PM UTC-8, murphyjrfk wrote:

 Suppose the title says it all. But I've been a thinking about going down
 to 1---not a big step down cause I normally only have two three tops o'
 working bikes anyways. And the overlap is out of control. How many 26
 touring bikes does one fellow need deal. But I love what I love I guess.

 One bike? Could ya do it and what would it be?

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2013-01-23 Thread René Sterental

BTW, whenever my wife gets started on the subject of how many bikes I have
(5 + 2 for my son), I remind her that a married man can only have one
woman, but can have many bikes. That usually ends it.

While I stated that if I had to reduce to only one bike it would likely be
my Atlantis, the truth is that my favorite bike seems to change depending
on which one I happen to be riding the most. And I tend to do that. Right
now I'm riding the Betty the most, but once I put fenders on the Atlantis
and start riding it on my commute (rainy season in the Bay Area) I'll be
hard pressed to decide which is my favorite. Last year, the Hunqapillar was
the favorite since the Atlantis was being painted and I rode it the most.
To me, aside from riding my Santa Cruz Tallboy LTc with my MTB friends,
choosing one of my bikes to ride more often gives my riding a breath of
fresh air. Then, when I feel like changing, choosing another one as the
main ride feels like a little reinventing of myself, which I need every now
and then...

René


On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 7:49:59 PM UTC-8, Manuel Acosta wrote:

 Wait. You can have more then one bike?


 Manny, if there's one person on this list that proves that one bike is
 enough, it's you. I don't know, maybe you have other bikes but I look at
 your photos and I see you out there on your Hillborne doing it
 all--rambling around in the dirt, on the pavement, touring, camping and
 just having a lot of fun.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2013-01-23 Thread Bill Gibson

Ah, I remember the moment I had the revelation that one can own more than
one: a bike mechanic friend literally had a stable in the backyard of the
an old rental house in Austin, Texas, which once really was a stable, and
which had a bike rack inside with a selection of old bikes the various
tenants of the house and the mechanic rode.  The idea of having different
bikes for different purposes made perfect sense. And this was at least a
decade before Mountain Bikes, and Pugsley-type, etc. For me, the
selection would have to change from time to time. I enjoy experimenting.

But, I'm with Jan: keep the maintenance of many bikes down to a dull roar,
and ride more!


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 Wait. You can have more then one bike?!
 Now I'm going to save up for a Roadeo.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2013-01-23 Thread Eric Platt

Would like to add something - while appreciating folks riding (and own, and
write about) very expensive bikes, I just can't do it.  It's a reverse
snobbery issue.  Instead of spending a large amount of money on one single
superlative bike I'd be afraid to ride, would rather own a couple less
expensive bikes that wouldn't worry me as much.

And it's not just bikes - it's a streak I have that permeates many things,
less expensive instruments, stereo gear and even book collecting.

Again, am not begruding folks that do it differently.  My mind just isn't
wired to be comfortable doing it.

Guess it's a roundabout way of saying if I had only one bike it would
probably end up being a Surly and not a Rivendell.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Bill Gibson bill.bgib...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ah, I remember the moment I had the revelation that one can own more than
 one: a bike mechanic friend literally had a stable in the backyard of the
 an old rental house in Austin, Texas, which once really was a stable, and
 which had a bike rack inside with a selection of old bikes the various
 tenants of the house and the mechanic rode.  The idea of having different
 bikes for different purposes made perfect sense. And this was at least a
 decade before Mountain Bikes, and Pugsley-type, etc. For me, the
 selection would have to change from time to time. I enjoy experimenting.

 But, I'm with Jan: keep the maintenance of many bikes down to a dull roar,
 and ride more!


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 manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Wait. You can have more then one bike?!
 Now I'm going to save up for a Roadeo.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2013-01-23 Thread James Warren

Yes, I could reduce all the way down to Atlantis-only if I had to. It's that good.Riding down Shafter (a Marin County dirt road) with 700x40 Extremes and a camping load and feeling great on pretty steep dirt descending was another moment where the bike impressed me, and this was after having ridden it for 11 years! And in the rest of that mini-tour, the paved riding was lovely as well.- Jim W.-Original Message-
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No worries - my Atlantis. It's my ride 99% of the time. The other 2 bikes I have are pretty much retired  serve no need. It's just fun to ride something entirely different once in a while. dougPOn Tuesday, January 22, 2013 6:48:04 PM UTC-8, murphyjrfk wrote:Suppose the title says it all. But I've been a thinking about going down to 1---not a big step down cause I normally only have two three tops o' working bikes anyways. And the overlap is out of control. How many 26" touring bikes does one fellow need deal. But I love what I love I guess. One bike? Could ya do it and what would it be?

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2013-01-23 Thread Crazy4Suki

Of the Betty, Quickbeam, RB-1 and AHH... I enjoy riding the AHH the most... But 
I would probably pick Betty if I could only have one. I am thinking ahead to 
when I may not be limber, and the step-thru frame will age well with me.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2013-01-22 Thread murphyjrfk



On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 10:19:14 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 19:10 -0800, Jan Heine wrote: 
  For recreational and general transportation use, one bike would be 
  quite feasible. In fact, since I prefer to focus on the ride rather 
  than the bike, I don't really see the need to own several similar 
  bikes that fill the same purpose. Given a choice, I'd prefer one truly 
  awesome bike over a bunch of just nice ones. 

 Great, right up to the moment something fails, you need a part, and the 
 bike goes on deadline.   

 I think that even if you're Jan and you have a bike parts company, there 
 are still going to be times when you have to order a part, or when you 
 have to take the bike down to the shop and they tell you it'll be a week 
 to ten days.   

 At that point, it's great to have at least two bikes! 


 I love this group. Always the best answers.  Jan I think you are on to 
 something on with one super nice.  Never thought how it would make the wife 
 happy.  Funny thing is she has given me a bike limit and a while ago I 
 tried to surpass it by giving her one of my bikes--we are the same height. 
  She didn't buy my scheme--she  has a Townie and that's all she wants--so I 
 lost that battle.  The one bike decision is tough.  Maybe sell them all 
 save and finally buy that AHH I've drolled over for years...or maybe even 
 the San Marcos... I hope the 1 bike decision doesn't turn into one 
 more...and what's the general rule with writing numerals? I'm sure Grant 
 knows. Oh and Jim, your stable is enviable...except that it's missing a 
 Troll:)

 

  

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2013-01-22 Thread Kelly

I'm blessed with four super nice bikes that always make me smile... Having more 
than one does not mean skimping to me.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

2013-01-22 Thread murphyjrfk

Jim that's perfect. I follow your blog- good stuff- so I knew about the troll. 
The wife thing well- I've only ever been afraid of one persons wrath- hers. And 
I say yes to the Ogre. For all of us who can't!

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