Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
I store mine clockwise. No, I mean counter clockwise. Wait a minute. No, really, a few months ago I finally took a deep breath and completed the pegboard system that I started in, I think, February of 2004. Now all my little wrenches, allen combos, pliers, drivers and so forth are in full view on the board. It's not perfect, but it certainly beats groping in a drawer for the 13 mm when you've got at least 1 1/2 sets of metric and English combos plus the ratchet set plus other impedimenta all tossed in together. As for the drawers, they were long organized: top, bike specific including puncture stuff. #2: wrenches. #3, drivers and hammers and pliers and other miscellanea. #4: drill and dremel and jigsaw and some odds and ends. #5: paint and wood finishing tools (I don't do a lot of that; just ordinary house maintenance.) Loose allens still in a small drawer in a small table top chest, Dremel tools in another, the rest crank, chain, brake, and other parts. Nuts, bolts, washers, rivets in a smaller drawer chest. (Both chests cheap plastic; don't get ideas of fine woodwork here.) One of the great frustrations of working a summer for Stevie was that all the tools were just dumped on a big workbench. Of course, he had so many of each that it wasn't that hard to find what one needed, but I missed my own organized workspace. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Minh mgiangs...@gmail.com wrote: Lol, this thread has taken a bit of a turn. Semi-related to the ongoing wrenching theme. How do people store their tools? I've seen nice kits that come up in boxes where every tool as their place. But i've bought mine as i needed them so its a mix of tools. I keep them in a toolbox and lay them out when i use them, but there isn't much organization other then making it all fit into the box! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *[I]n exploring the physical universe man has made no attempt to explore himself. Much of what goes by the name of pleasure is simply an effort to destroy consciousness. If one started by asking, what is man? what are his needs? how can he best express himself? one would discover that merely having the power to avoid work and live one’s life from birth to death in electric light and to the tune of tinned music is not a reason for doing so.”* * -- George Orwell, Pleasure Spots* *Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not money, I am become as a sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not money, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not money, it profiteth me nothing. Money suffereth long, and it is kind; money envieth not; money vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, doth not behave unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; beareth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. . . . And now abideth faith, hope, money, these three; but the greatest of these is money. * * -- George Orwell, Keep The Apidistra Flying* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
Johann - no problem with up or down as long as it isn't in reference to direction you are pushing the wrench, like the other suggestion of down for out. Down with the wrench to the front or back? I suppose with a bottom bracket your wrench is facing the front of the bike, as the other orientation doesn't work as well. Johann, your memory aid seems good. I should probably put a crib sheet in my toolbox. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
On Friday, December 5, 2014 6:24:08 PM UTC+1, Joe Bernard wrote: Here's Riv's amazing Mark Abele installing a BB. What fascinates me about watching him is that he's quick, but very precise: He knows where everything is, and you can see him whip the tools right up to the contact point, then do a quick-slow-down just before he gets there so he's only touching the exact spot he's aiming for. That's good stuff! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwjnZfNO1DE Except that you should insert the left side ring before you tighten the right side, but not insert it so much that the BB bottoms out at tightening, then tighten the left. And if they're chasing the threads why not spend a minute to face the shell also? It's a matter of seconds to put on the facing cutters and continue when the threads have been chased. It's pretty easy to remove paint in the BB threads which in practice is what they're doing in the video, but I personally would really appreciate the shell being faced since it takes a specialized and expensive tool to do that. It's so little more work, but a huge quality gain. I don't get it. Johan Larsson, Sweden -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 3:57 AM, Toby Whitfield toby.whitfi...@gmail.com wrote: I find forwards and backwards unhelpful when thinking about these things. Forwards on the top or bottom? If your mental model assumes that you are looking at it from a specific orientation, I think that orientation needs to be explicitly expressed. Even righty tighty can be backwards from the other side. I don't have a good model for pedals/bottom bracket myself, but recognize the pitfalls. Toby Toronto Hmm, I guess you have a problem with clockwise and counter clockwise too? And left and right - your left or mine...? Up or down isn't a problem I hope? :) Just kidding! Did you see my tips on the thread direction above, is that helpful in any way? Johan Larsson, Sweden -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
For English BBs down is out that is how I remember. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
Having cut off a stuck crank from a bottom bracket spindle, I will say there is no shame in that. :) On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 12:26 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: - Cranks, pedals, bottom bracket cups always loosen towards the back of the bike. I like this. Right hand pedal has a right hand thread, so if you attach a pedal wrench to the right hand pedal and think of that wrench handle as a crank arm, you BACKPEDAL to loosen. You also backpedal with your pedal wrench on the left pedal to loosen it. On the BB though, I'm having a hard time visualizing how you think of it as loosening towards the back. The fixed cup has a left hand thread, so you put a tool on the fixed cup and pedal forward to loosen, and pedal backward to tighten. The left side cup has a right hand thread so you also pedal forward with your wrench to loosen and backpedal with your wrench to tighten. Crank bolts both have a right hand thread, so you backpedal to loosen the right side crank bolt and forward pedal to loosen the left crank bolt. So, six threaded things, I only see three of the six as loosening towards the back of the bike. Help me visualize it your way. Bill -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
My padding the tubes comment was more wrapping the tubes to protect the finish from wrench edges. E.G. if you are working on the headset, wrap a rag around the top tube so you don't gouge it unnecessarily. - Jim On Friday, December 5, 2014 11:02:12 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote: For Rivendell-list-type bikes? I've clamped tubes, top and down, since I bought my first Park stand in ~2003 (presently have a better one); and at the bike shop we clamped tubes on steel and aluminum; never using any padding except that which is part of the jaws. Since the Park had the old bolt in holes clamp adjustment system, I've put considerable pressure on many a steel tube with no ill effects. I've clamped exactly 1 carbon fiber bike (Specialized Roubaix) but forget if I clamped a tube or the carbon fiber seatpost -- Stevie, owner of shop, watching me. And some smack-you-on-the-back-of-the-head-reminders Don't clamp the tubes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
Gotcha. I have grazed, scoured, and scratched many a tube for neglecting this padding or protective wrapping. On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Cyclofiend Jim cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: My padding the tubes comment was more wrapping the tubes to protect the finish from wrench edges. E.G. if you are working on the headset, wrap a rag around the top tube so you don't gouge it unnecessarily. - Jim On Friday, December 5, 2014 11:02:12 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote: For Rivendell-list-type bikes? I've clamped tubes, top and down, since I bought my first Park stand in ~2003 (presently have a better one); and at the bike shop we clamped tubes on steel and aluminum; never using any padding except that which is part of the jaws. Since the Park had the old bolt in holes clamp adjustment system, I've put considerable pressure on many a steel tube with no ill effects. I've clamped exactly 1 carbon fiber bike (Specialized Roubaix) but forget if I clamped a tube or the carbon fiber seatpost -- Stevie, owner of shop, watching me. And some smack-you-on-the-back-of-the-head-reminders Don't clamp the tubes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *[I]n exploring the physical universe man has made no attempt to explore himself. Much of what goes by the name of pleasure is simply an effort to destroy consciousness. If one started by asking, what is man? what are his needs? how can he best express himself? one would discover that merely having the power to avoid work and live one’s life from birth to death in electric light and to the tune of tinned music is not a reason for doing so.”* * -- George Orwell, Pleasure Spots* *Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not money, I am become as a sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not money, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not money, it profiteth me nothing. Money suffereth long, and it is kind; money envieth not; money vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, doth not behave unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; beareth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. . . . And now abideth faith, hope, money, these three; but the greatest of these is money. * * -- George Orwell, Keep The Apidistra Flying* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
I was in the same situation as you a couple years ago. I learned from reading all of Sheldon Brown, internet videos (Part tool has great ones), and a basic maintenance class at my local bike co-op. Since then, I've taken a part-time job doing final assembly and maintenance on bikes at my LBS. They were actually willing to take someone with your level of skill and teach you the rest. They start you off in training for several weeks, where your bike builds are supervised and inspected, and then they decide if they want to hire you on for good after that. Having a project bike to learn on is great. Rivbikes have pretty traditional style components, so an 80s-90s beater bike would be roughly similar. More similar than a new bike, at least. On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 8:25 AM, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: Fear , any and every fear, has no basis in Truth. No self existent power to stand on it own. Hence, it is no-thing , nothing. You already know everything you'll ever know :) This IS Absolute Truth ! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
oh and forgot to mention if you get good at cables come here and do mine anyday! I have my whole cabling technique down but I have to say its the bike maintenance job I loathe the most, so tedious On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Johan Larsson seven.nau...@gmail.com wrote: Forgot to mention that Park Tool has the best service/repair instructions I've come across online - http://www.parktool.com/blog/repair-help I always try to lift forward their excellent instructions on how to adjust cup and cone wheel bearings - it's an ingenious method with the wheel clamped on one side on the outside of the frame, and with a little practice you'll get it perfect every time. /Johan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
Peter's reference to cables is on point: If you're already comfortable with *that,* you're ready for the other jobs you've listed. Read lots (especially about which way BB's thread in), look at pics, watch videos, grease threads, go slow, and have fun! PS. One thing I've learned the hard way is the need to keep a 'big picture' while wrenching. It's easy to lose track of what some other part of the bike is doing while you're up close with a wrench, so it's good to keep an eye on where everything is while you're working: Are the bars steady, or hitting the toptube? Is the chain dragging across paint while I mess with these cranks? Did I tighten that stem before I started taping the bars? That kinda thing. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Friday, December 5, 2014 8:11:51 AM UTC-8, Peter M wrote: oh and forgot to mention if you get good at cables come here and do mine anyday! I have my whole cabling technique down but I have to say its the bike maintenance job I loathe the most, so tedious On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Johan Larsson seven@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Forgot to mention that Park Tool has the best service/repair instructions I've come across online - http://www.parktool.com/blog/repair-help I always try to lift forward their excellent instructions on how to adjust cup and cone wheel bearings - it's an ingenious method with the wheel clamped on one side on the outside of the frame, and with a little practice you'll get it perfect every time. /Johan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
+1 Joe, I learned to take step back and look at the bike a few times the second time I realized when I got done that I had criss crossed the brake and cable lines over each other on one side, not a major issue but an annoyance that I couldn't let stay, aaarggh! On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: Peter's reference to cables is on point: If you're already comfortable with *that,* you're ready for the other jobs you've listed. Read lots (especially about which way BB's thread in), look at pics, watch videos, grease threads, go slow, and have fun! PS. One thing I've learned the hard way is the need to keep a 'big picture' while wrenching. It's easy to lose track of what some other part of the bike is doing while you're up close with a wrench, so it's good to keep an eye on where everything is while you're working: Are the bars steady, or hitting the toptube? Is the chain dragging across paint while I mess with these cranks? Did I tighten that stem before I started taping the bars? That kinda thing. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Friday, December 5, 2014 8:11:51 AM UTC-8, Peter M wrote: oh and forgot to mention if you get good at cables come here and do mine anyday! I have my whole cabling technique down but I have to say its the bike maintenance job I loathe the most, so tedious On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Johan Larsson seven@gmail.com wrote: Forgot to mention that Park Tool has the best service/repair instructions I've come across online - http://www.parktool.com/blog/ repair-help I always try to lift forward their excellent instructions on how to adjust cup and cone wheel bearings - it's an ingenious method with the wheel clamped on one side on the outside of the frame, and with a little practice you'll get it perfect every time. /Johan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
Here's Riv's amazing Mark Abele installing a BB. What fascinates me about watching him is that he's quick, but very precise: He knows where everything is, and you can see him whip the tools right up to the contact point, then do a quick-slow-down just before he gets there so he's only touching the exact spot he's aiming for. That's good stuff! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwjnZfNO1DE On Friday, December 5, 2014 8:50:20 AM UTC-8, Peter M wrote: +1 Joe, I learned to take step back and look at the bike a few times the second time I realized when I got done that I had criss crossed the brake and cable lines over each other on one side, not a major issue but an annoyance that I couldn't let stay, aaarggh! On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Joe Bernard joer...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Peter's reference to cables is on point: If you're already comfortable with *that,* you're ready for the other jobs you've listed. Read lots (especially about which way BB's thread in), look at pics, watch videos, grease threads, go slow, and have fun! PS. One thing I've learned the hard way is the need to keep a 'big picture' while wrenching. It's easy to lose track of what some other part of the bike is doing while you're up close with a wrench, so it's good to keep an eye on where everything is while you're working: Are the bars steady, or hitting the toptube? Is the chain dragging across paint while I mess with these cranks? Did I tighten that stem before I started taping the bars? That kinda thing. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Friday, December 5, 2014 8:11:51 AM UTC-8, Peter M wrote: oh and forgot to mention if you get good at cables come here and do mine anyday! I have my whole cabling technique down but I have to say its the bike maintenance job I loathe the most, so tedious On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Johan Larsson seven@gmail.com wrote: Forgot to mention that Park Tool has the best service/repair instructions I've come across online - http://www.parktool.com/blog/ repair-help I always try to lift forward their excellent instructions on how to adjust cup and cone wheel bearings - it's an ingenious method with the wheel clamped on one side on the outside of the frame, and with a little practice you'll get it perfect every time. /Johan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
It's all about having the right tools. Don't try anything unless you begin with the right tools. On Friday, December 5, 2014 11:24:08 AM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote: Here's Riv's amazing Mark Abele installing a BB. What fascinates me about watching him is that he's quick, but very precise: He knows where everything is, and you can see him whip the tools right up to the contact point, then do a quick-slow-down just before he gets there so he's only touching the exact spot he's aiming for. That's good stuff! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwjnZfNO1DE On Friday, December 5, 2014 8:50:20 AM UTC-8, Peter M wrote: +1 Joe, I learned to take step back and look at the bike a few times the second time I realized when I got done that I had criss crossed the brake and cable lines over each other on one side, not a major issue but an annoyance that I couldn't let stay, aaarggh! On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Joe Bernard joer...@gmail.com wrote: Peter's reference to cables is on point: If you're already comfortable with *that,* you're ready for the other jobs you've listed. Read lots (especially about which way BB's thread in), look at pics, watch videos, grease threads, go slow, and have fun! PS. One thing I've learned the hard way is the need to keep a 'big picture' while wrenching. It's easy to lose track of what some other part of the bike is doing while you're up close with a wrench, so it's good to keep an eye on where everything is while you're working: Are the bars steady, or hitting the toptube? Is the chain dragging across paint while I mess with these cranks? Did I tighten that stem before I started taping the bars? That kinda thing. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Friday, December 5, 2014 8:11:51 AM UTC-8, Peter M wrote: oh and forgot to mention if you get good at cables come here and do mine anyday! I have my whole cabling technique down but I have to say its the bike maintenance job I loathe the most, so tedious On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Johan Larsson seven@gmail.com wrote: Forgot to mention that Park Tool has the best service/repair instructions I've come across online - http://www.parktool.com/blog/ repair-help I always try to lift forward their excellent instructions on how to adjust cup and cone wheel bearings - it's an ingenious method with the wheel clamped on one side on the outside of the frame, and with a little practice you'll get it perfect every time. /Johan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
Yep: buy a beater and have at it! (But I'll bet that you already have the skills necessary to install a derailer.) By the way, how do you determine if your steerer tube is butted? Anyone? . . . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
For Rivendell-list-type bikes? I've clamped tubes, top and down, since I bought my first Park stand in ~2003 (presently have a better one); and at the bike shop we clamped tubes on steel and aluminum; never using any padding except that which is part of the jaws. Since the Park had the old bolt in holes clamp adjustment system, I've put considerable pressure on many a steel tube with no ill effects. I've clamped exactly 1 carbon fiber bike (Specialized Roubaix) but forget if I clamped a tube or the carbon fiber seatpost -- Stevie, owner of shop, watching me. On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Cyclofiend Jim cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: And some smack-you-on-the-back-of-the-head-reminders Don't clamp the tubes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
I only have one more piece of hard learned advice on the bike-your hand is not a hammer, or a wrench or a pliers. It can be a crude substitute but yes, get the right tool. Don't be an idiot like me and try to loose a freewheel by banging on the wrench with your hand...1 surgery later lesson learned On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: For Rivendell-list-type bikes? I've clamped tubes, top and down, since I bought my first Park stand in ~2003 (presently have a better one); and at the bike shop we clamped tubes on steel and aluminum; never using any padding except that which is part of the jaws. Since the Park had the old bolt in holes clamp adjustment system, I've put considerable pressure on many a steel tube with no ill effects. I've clamped exactly 1 carbon fiber bike (Specialized Roubaix) but forget if I clamped a tube or the carbon fiber seatpost -- Stevie, owner of shop, watching me. On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Cyclofiend Jim cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: And some smack-you-on-the-back-of-the-head-reminders Don't clamp the tubes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
On Friday, December 5, 2014 1:26:05 PM UTC-8, Peter M wrote: I only have one more piece of hard learned advice ... get the right tool. That is a very loose edit. Cost wise tools hurt at the outset. Around here they hurt worse than the first several repair bills from the local shop. Tool wise, 'good enough' is cheaper but 'very good' can add up, and it adds up. This list of musts and optional tools might be interesting to the OP. Smooth Tracks, Chris Redding, Ca. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
Chris makes a great point. For someone starting out I would say go with park tools, they are good quality and built to last, yes they are pricey but looking at my tool box full of blue handles makes me feel less anxious when I get to the wrenching. The thing I cheaped out on and should have gotten a better one is a headset wrench, the one I had left gouges in soft metals, not fun. On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Chris in Redding, Ca. campredd...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, December 5, 2014 1:26:05 PM UTC-8, Peter M wrote: I only have one more piece of hard learned advice ... get the right tool. That is a very loose edit. Cost wise tools hurt at the outset. Around here they hurt worse than the first several repair bills from the local shop. Tool wise, 'good enough' is cheaper but 'very good' can add up, and it adds up. This list of musts and optional tools might be interesting to the OP. Smooth Tracks, Chris Redding, Ca. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
+1 on Park Tools and anything Rivendell offers. It is amazing the difference in feel a quality tool has over a cheep one. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
I have various Park tools, plus a home mechanics set from Performance. I don't agree that everything has to be pricey Park stuff for the occasional hobby wrencher. My tool collection mimics my bikes: Some are super nice/pricey, some not so much. On Friday, December 5, 2014 3:20:21 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: +1 on Park Tools and anything Rivendell offers. It is amazing the difference in feel a quality tool has over a cheep one. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
Also: Ball end hex wrenches will save you time and heartache. On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Chris Chen cc...@nougat.org wrote: Just be careful. You can strip threads with a fancy tool too. Start all threads with your hands. Don't over torque bolts. Invest in a can of good anti-seize formula and a tube of locktite. Marvel how gorgeous loose bearings are when they're clean. And how good Paul bearing grease smells when it comes out of the tube or tub. Lock nuts and washers are cheap. Buy a box of 'em and replace them every time you remove one (okay this is a bit fastidious but I used to volunteer with an Aircraft mechanic). NEVER THROW OUT EXTRA SCREWS OR SPACERS. cc On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: I have various Park tools, plus a home mechanics set from Performance. I don't agree that everything has to be pricey Park stuff for the occasional hobby wrencher. My tool collection mimics my bikes: Some are super nice/pricey, some not so much. On Friday, December 5, 2014 3:20:21 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: +1 on Park Tools and anything Rivendell offers. It is amazing the difference in feel a quality tool has over a cheep one. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
Just be careful. You can strip threads with a fancy tool too. Start all threads with your hands. Don't over torque bolts. Invest in a can of good anti-seize formula and a tube of locktite. Marvel how gorgeous loose bearings are when they're clean. And how good Paul bearing grease smells when it comes out of the tube or tub. Lock nuts and washers are cheap. Buy a box of 'em and replace them every time you remove one (okay this is a bit fastidious but I used to volunteer with an Aircraft mechanic). NEVER THROW OUT EXTRA SCREWS OR SPACERS. cc On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: I have various Park tools, plus a home mechanics set from Performance. I don't agree that everything has to be pricey Park stuff for the occasional hobby wrencher. My tool collection mimics my bikes: Some are super nice/pricey, some not so much. On Friday, December 5, 2014 3:20:21 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: +1 on Park Tools and anything Rivendell offers. It is amazing the difference in feel a quality tool has over a cheep one. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
Lots of good advice here. Sometimes cheap can be fine. I'd wager that the only difference between the Park digital caliper and the one I got at Harbor Freight for $15 is the color of the electronics housing. But you'll never pry my 3-way Park wrench out of my hands until I'm rubber side up for good. BTW, the single best tool I own is my Shimano cable cutter. That makes life SO much more pleasant! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
Seconded for the Park 3-way wrench, and good cable cutters (Park, too, in my case). On Friday, December 5, 2014 4:41:41 PM UTC-8, Andrew Marchant-Shapiro wrote: Lots of good advice here. Sometimes cheap can be fine. I'd wager that the only difference between the Park digital caliper and the one I got at Harbor Freight for $15 is the color of the electronics housing. But you'll never pry my 3-way Park wrench out of my hands until I'm rubber side up for good. BTW, the single best tool I own is my Shimano cable cutter. That makes life SO much more pleasant! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
