Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?

2014-12-10 Thread Patrick Moore
I store mine clockwise. No, I mean counter clockwise. Wait a minute.

No, really, a few months ago I finally took a deep breath and completed the
pegboard system that I started in, I think, February of 2004. Now all my
little wrenches, allen combos, pliers, drivers and so forth are in full
view on the board. It's not perfect, but it certainly beats groping in a
drawer for the 13 mm when you've got at least 1 1/2 sets of metric and
English combos plus the ratchet set plus other impedimenta all tossed in
together.

As for the drawers, they were long organized: top, bike specific including
puncture stuff. #2: wrenches. #3, drivers and hammers and pliers and other
miscellanea. #4: drill and dremel and jigsaw and some odds and ends. #5:
paint and wood finishing tools (I don't do a lot of that; just ordinary
house maintenance.)

Loose allens still in a small drawer in a small table top chest, Dremel
tools in another, the rest crank, chain, brake, and other parts. Nuts,
bolts, washers, rivets in a smaller drawer chest. (Both chests cheap
plastic; don't get ideas of fine woodwork here.)

One of the great frustrations of working a summer for Stevie was that all
the tools were just dumped on a big workbench. Of course, he had so many of
each that it wasn't that hard to find what one needed, but I missed my own
organized workspace.

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Minh mgiangs...@gmail.com wrote:

 Lol, this thread has taken a bit of a turn.  Semi-related to the ongoing
 wrenching theme.  How do people store their tools?  I've seen nice kits
 that come up in boxes where every tool as their place.  But i've bought
 mine as i needed them so its a mix of tools.  I keep them in a toolbox and
 lay them out when i use them, but there isn't much organization other then
 making it all fit into the box!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?

2014-12-09 Thread Toby Whitfield
Johann - no problem with up or down as long as it isn't in reference to 
direction you are pushing the wrench, like the other suggestion of down for 
out. Down with the wrench to the front or back? I suppose with a bottom 
bracket your wrench is facing the front of the bike, as the other orientation 
doesn't work as well. 

Johann, your memory aid seems good. 

I should probably put a crib sheet in my toolbox.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?

2014-12-08 Thread Johan Larsson


On Friday, December 5, 2014 6:24:08 PM UTC+1, Joe Bernard wrote:

 Here's Riv's amazing Mark Abele installing a BB. What fascinates me about 
 watching him is that he's quick, but very precise: He knows where 
 everything is, and you can see him whip the tools right up to the contact 
 point, then do a quick-slow-down just before he gets there so he's only 
 touching the exact spot he's aiming for. That's good stuff!


 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwjnZfNO1DE


Except that you should insert the left side ring before you tighten the 
right side, but not insert it so much that the BB bottoms out at 
tightening, then tighten the left.

And if they're chasing the threads why not spend a minute to face the shell 
also? It's a matter of seconds to put on the facing cutters and continue 
when the threads have been chased. It's pretty easy to remove paint in the 
BB threads which in practice is what they're doing in the video, but I 
personally would really appreciate the shell being faced since it takes a 
specialized and expensive tool to do that. It's so little more work, but a 
huge quality gain. I don't get it.

Johan Larsson,
Sweden

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Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?

2014-12-08 Thread Johan Larsson
On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 3:57 AM, Toby Whitfield toby.whitfi...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I find forwards and backwards unhelpful when thinking about these things.
 Forwards on the top or bottom? If your mental model assumes that you are
 looking at it from a specific orientation, I think that orientation needs
 to be explicitly expressed. Even righty tighty can be backwards from the
 other side.

 I don't have a good model for pedals/bottom bracket myself, but recognize
 the pitfalls.

 Toby
 Toronto



Hmm, I guess you have a problem with clockwise and counter clockwise too?
And left and right - your left or mine...? Up or down isn't a problem I
hope? :) Just kidding!

Did you see my tips on the thread direction above, is that helpful in any
way?

Johan Larsson,
Sweden

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Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?

2014-12-08 Thread Clayton.sf
For English BBs down is out that is how I remember. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?

2014-12-07 Thread Chris Chen
Having cut off a stuck crank from a bottom bracket spindle, I will say
there is no shame in that. :)

On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 12:26 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

 - Cranks, pedals, bottom bracket cups always loosen towards the back of
 the bike. 

 I like this.  Right hand pedal has a right hand thread, so if you attach a
 pedal wrench to the right hand pedal and think of that wrench handle as a
 crank arm, you BACKPEDAL to loosen.  You also backpedal with your pedal
 wrench on the left pedal to loosen it.

 On the BB though, I'm having a hard time visualizing how you think of it
 as loosening towards the back.  The fixed cup has a left hand thread, so
 you put a tool on the fixed cup and pedal forward to loosen, and pedal
 backward to tighten.  The left side cup has a right hand thread so you also
 pedal forward with your wrench to loosen and backpedal with your wrench to
 tighten.

 Crank bolts both have a right hand thread, so you backpedal to loosen the
 right side crank bolt and forward pedal to loosen the left crank bolt.

 So, six threaded things, I only see three of the six as loosening towards
 the back of the bike.  Help me visualize it your way.

 Bill


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Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?

2014-12-06 Thread Cyclofiend Jim
My padding the tubes comment was more wrapping the tubes to protect the 
finish from wrench edges.  E.G. if you are working on the headset, wrap a 
rag around the top tube so you don't gouge it unnecessarily. 

- Jim

On Friday, December 5, 2014 11:02:12 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:

 For Rivendell-list-type bikes? I've clamped tubes, top and down, since I 
 bought my first Park stand in ~2003 (presently have a better one); and at 
 the bike shop we clamped tubes on steel and aluminum; never using any 
 padding except that which is part of the jaws. Since the Park had the old 
 bolt in holes clamp adjustment system, I've put considerable pressure on 
 many a steel tube with no ill effects.

 I've clamped exactly 1 carbon fiber bike (Specialized Roubaix) but forget 
 if I clamped a tube or the carbon fiber seatpost -- Stevie, owner of shop, 
 watching me.



 And some smack-you-on-the-back-of-the-head-reminders
 Don't clamp the tubes.  

  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?

2014-12-06 Thread Patrick Moore
Gotcha. I have grazed, scoured, and scratched many a tube for neglecting
this padding or protective wrapping.

On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Cyclofiend Jim cyclofi...@earthlink.net
wrote:

 My padding the tubes comment was more wrapping the tubes to protect
 the finish from wrench edges.  E.G. if you are working on the headset, wrap
 a rag around the top tube so you don't gouge it unnecessarily.

 - Jim

 On Friday, December 5, 2014 11:02:12 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:

 For Rivendell-list-type bikes? I've clamped tubes, top and down, since I
 bought my first Park stand in ~2003 (presently have a better one); and at
 the bike shop we clamped tubes on steel and aluminum; never using any
 padding except that which is part of the jaws. Since the Park had the old
 bolt in holes clamp adjustment system, I've put considerable pressure on
 many a steel tube with no ill effects.

 I've clamped exactly 1 carbon fiber bike (Specialized Roubaix) but forget
 if I clamped a tube or the carbon fiber seatpost -- Stevie, owner of shop,
 watching me.



 And some smack-you-on-the-back-of-the-head-reminders
 Don't clamp the tubes.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?

2014-12-05 Thread Tim Gavin
I was in the same situation as you a couple years ago.  I learned from
reading all of Sheldon Brown, internet videos (Part tool has great ones),
and a basic maintenance class at my local bike co-op.

Since then, I've taken a part-time job doing final assembly and maintenance
on bikes at my LBS.  They were actually willing to take someone with your
level of skill and teach you the rest.  They start you off in training
for several weeks, where your bike builds are supervised and inspected, and
then they decide if they want to hire you on for good after that.

Having a project bike to learn on is great.  Rivbikes have pretty
traditional style components, so an 80s-90s beater bike would be roughly
similar.  More similar than a new bike, at least.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?

2014-12-05 Thread Goshen Peter
oh and forgot to mention if you get good at cables come here and do mine
anyday! I have my whole cabling technique down but I have to say its the
bike maintenance job I loathe the most, so tedious

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Johan Larsson seven.nau...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Forgot to mention that Park Tool has the best service/repair instructions
 I've come across online - http://www.parktool.com/blog/repair-help

 I always try to lift forward their excellent instructions on how to adjust
 cup and cone wheel bearings - it's an ingenious method with the wheel
 clamped on one side on the outside of the frame, and with a little practice
 you'll get it perfect every time.

 /Johan

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Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?

2014-12-05 Thread Joe Bernard
Peter's reference to cables is on point: If you're already comfortable with 
*that,* you're ready for the other jobs you've listed. Read lots 
(especially about which way BB's thread in), look at pics, watch videos, 
grease threads, go slow, and have fun!

PS. One thing I've learned the hard way is the need to keep a 'big picture' 
while wrenching. It's easy to lose track of what some other part of the 
bike is doing while you're up close with a wrench, so it's good to keep an 
eye on where everything is while you're working: Are the bars steady, or 
hitting the toptube? Is the chain dragging across paint while I mess with 
these cranks? Did I tighten that stem before I started taping the bars? 
That kinda thing.

Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Friday, December 5, 2014 8:11:51 AM UTC-8, Peter M wrote:

 oh and forgot to mention if you get good at cables come here and do mine 
 anyday! I have my whole cabling technique down but I have to say its the 
 bike maintenance job I loathe the most, so tedious

 On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Johan Larsson seven@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 Forgot to mention that Park Tool has the best service/repair instructions 
 I've come across online - http://www.parktool.com/blog/repair-help

 I always try to lift forward their excellent instructions on how to 
 adjust cup and cone wheel bearings - it's an ingenious method with the 
 wheel clamped on one side on the outside of the frame, and with a little 
 practice you'll get it perfect every time.

 /Johan

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Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?

2014-12-05 Thread Goshen Peter
+1 Joe, I learned to take step back and look at the bike a few times the
second time I realized when I got done that I had criss crossed the brake
and cable lines over each other on one side, not a major issue but an
annoyance that I couldn't let stay, aaarggh!

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:

 Peter's reference to cables is on point: If you're already comfortable
 with *that,* you're ready for the other jobs you've listed. Read lots
 (especially about which way BB's thread in), look at pics, watch videos,
 grease threads, go slow, and have fun!

 PS. One thing I've learned the hard way is the need to keep a 'big
 picture' while wrenching. It's easy to lose track of what some other part
 of the bike is doing while you're up close with a wrench, so it's good to
 keep an eye on where everything is while you're working: Are the bars
 steady, or hitting the toptube? Is the chain dragging across paint while I
 mess with these cranks? Did I tighten that stem before I started taping the
 bars? That kinda thing.

 Joe Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.

 On Friday, December 5, 2014 8:11:51 AM UTC-8, Peter M wrote:

 oh and forgot to mention if you get good at cables come here and do mine
 anyday! I have my whole cabling technique down but I have to say its the
 bike maintenance job I loathe the most, so tedious

 On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Johan Larsson seven@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Forgot to mention that Park Tool has the best service/repair
 instructions I've come across online - http://www.parktool.com/blog/
 repair-help

 I always try to lift forward their excellent instructions on how to
 adjust cup and cone wheel bearings - it's an ingenious method with the
 wheel clamped on one side on the outside of the frame, and with a little
 practice you'll get it perfect every time.

 /Johan

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Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?

2014-12-05 Thread Joe Bernard
Here's Riv's amazing Mark Abele installing a BB. What fascinates me about 
watching him is that he's quick, but very precise: He knows where 
everything is, and you can see him whip the tools right up to the contact 
point, then do a quick-slow-down just before he gets there so he's only 
touching the exact spot he's aiming for. That's good stuff!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwjnZfNO1DE


On Friday, December 5, 2014 8:50:20 AM UTC-8, Peter M wrote:

 +1 Joe, I learned to take step back and look at the bike a few times the 
 second time I realized when I got done that I had criss crossed the brake 
 and cable lines over each other on one side, not a major issue but an 
 annoyance that I couldn't let stay, aaarggh!

 On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Joe Bernard joer...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 Peter's reference to cables is on point: If you're already comfortable 
 with *that,* you're ready for the other jobs you've listed. Read lots 
 (especially about which way BB's thread in), look at pics, watch videos, 
 grease threads, go slow, and have fun!

 PS. One thing I've learned the hard way is the need to keep a 'big 
 picture' while wrenching. It's easy to lose track of what some other part 
 of the bike is doing while you're up close with a wrench, so it's good to 
 keep an eye on where everything is while you're working: Are the bars 
 steady, or hitting the toptube? Is the chain dragging across paint while I 
 mess with these cranks? Did I tighten that stem before I started taping the 
 bars? That kinda thing.

 Joe Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.

 On Friday, December 5, 2014 8:11:51 AM UTC-8, Peter M wrote:

 oh and forgot to mention if you get good at cables come here and do mine 
 anyday! I have my whole cabling technique down but I have to say its the 
 bike maintenance job I loathe the most, so tedious

 On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Johan Larsson seven@gmail.com 
 wrote:

 Forgot to mention that Park Tool has the best service/repair 
 instructions I've come across online - http://www.parktool.com/blog/
 repair-help

 I always try to lift forward their excellent instructions on how to 
 adjust cup and cone wheel bearings - it's an ingenious method with the 
 wheel clamped on one side on the outside of the frame, and with a little 
 practice you'll get it perfect every time.

 /Johan

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Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?

2014-12-05 Thread Ron Mc
It's all about having the right tools.  Don't try anything unless you begin 
with the right tools.  

On Friday, December 5, 2014 11:24:08 AM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:

 Here's Riv's amazing Mark Abele installing a BB. What fascinates me about 
 watching him is that he's quick, but very precise: He knows where 
 everything is, and you can see him whip the tools right up to the contact 
 point, then do a quick-slow-down just before he gets there so he's only 
 touching the exact spot he's aiming for. That's good stuff!


 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwjnZfNO1DE


 On Friday, December 5, 2014 8:50:20 AM UTC-8, Peter M wrote:

 +1 Joe, I learned to take step back and look at the bike a few times the 
 second time I realized when I got done that I had criss crossed the brake 
 and cable lines over each other on one side, not a major issue but an 
 annoyance that I couldn't let stay, aaarggh!

 On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Joe Bernard joer...@gmail.com wrote:

 Peter's reference to cables is on point: If you're already comfortable 
 with *that,* you're ready for the other jobs you've listed. Read lots 
 (especially about which way BB's thread in), look at pics, watch videos, 
 grease threads, go slow, and have fun!

 PS. One thing I've learned the hard way is the need to keep a 'big 
 picture' while wrenching. It's easy to lose track of what some other part 
 of the bike is doing while you're up close with a wrench, so it's good to 
 keep an eye on where everything is while you're working: Are the bars 
 steady, or hitting the toptube? Is the chain dragging across paint while I 
 mess with these cranks? Did I tighten that stem before I started taping the 
 bars? That kinda thing.

 Joe Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.

 On Friday, December 5, 2014 8:11:51 AM UTC-8, Peter M wrote:

 oh and forgot to mention if you get good at cables come here and do 
 mine anyday! I have my whole cabling technique down but I have to say its 
 the bike maintenance job I loathe the most, so tedious

 On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Johan Larsson seven@gmail.com 
 wrote:

 Forgot to mention that Park Tool has the best service/repair 
 instructions I've come across online - http://www.parktool.com/blog/
 repair-help

 I always try to lift forward their excellent instructions on how to 
 adjust cup and cone wheel bearings - it's an ingenious method with the 
 wheel clamped on one side on the outside of the frame, and with a little 
 practice you'll get it perfect every time.

 /Johan

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Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?

2014-12-05 Thread Evan
Yep: buy a beater and have at it! (But I'll bet that you already have the 
skills necessary to install a derailer.)

By the way, how do you determine if your steerer tube is butted? Anyone? . 
. . 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?

2014-12-05 Thread Patrick Moore
For Rivendell-list-type bikes? I've clamped tubes, top and down, since I
bought my first Park stand in ~2003 (presently have a better one); and at
the bike shop we clamped tubes on steel and aluminum; never using any
padding except that which is part of the jaws. Since the Park had the old
bolt in holes clamp adjustment system, I've put considerable pressure on
many a steel tube with no ill effects.

I've clamped exactly 1 carbon fiber bike (Specialized Roubaix) but forget
if I clamped a tube or the carbon fiber seatpost -- Stevie, owner of shop,
watching me.

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Cyclofiend Jim cyclofi...@earthlink.net
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 And some smack-you-on-the-back-of-the-head-reminders
 Don't clamp the tubes.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?

2014-12-05 Thread Goshen Peter
I only have one more piece of hard learned advice on the bike-your hand is
not a hammer, or a wrench or a pliers. It can be a crude substitute but
yes, get the right tool. Don't be an idiot like me and try to loose a
freewheel by banging on the wrench with your hand...1 surgery later lesson
learned

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 For Rivendell-list-type bikes? I've clamped tubes, top and down, since I
 bought my first Park stand in ~2003 (presently have a better one); and at
 the bike shop we clamped tubes on steel and aluminum; never using any
 padding except that which is part of the jaws. Since the Park had the old
 bolt in holes clamp adjustment system, I've put considerable pressure on
 many a steel tube with no ill effects.

 I've clamped exactly 1 carbon fiber bike (Specialized Roubaix) but forget
 if I clamped a tube or the carbon fiber seatpost -- Stevie, owner of shop,
 watching me.

 On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Cyclofiend Jim cyclofi...@earthlink.net
 wrote:


 And some smack-you-on-the-back-of-the-head-reminders
 Don't clamp the tubes.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?

2014-12-05 Thread Chris in Redding, Ca.
On Friday, December 5, 2014 1:26:05 PM UTC-8, Peter M wrote: I only have 
one more piece of hard learned advice ... get the right tool. 

That is a very loose edit. Cost wise tools hurt at the outset. Around here 
they hurt worse than the first several repair bills from the local shop. 
Tool wise, 'good enough' is cheaper but 'very good' can add up, and it adds 
up. This list of musts and optional tools might be interesting to the OP.

Smooth Tracks,
Chris
Redding, Ca.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?

2014-12-05 Thread Goshen Peter
Chris makes a great point. For someone starting out I would say go with
park tools, they are good quality and built to last, yes they are pricey
but looking at my tool box full of blue handles makes me feel less anxious
when I get to the wrenching.  The thing I cheaped out on and should have
gotten a better one is a headset wrench, the one I had left gouges in soft
metals, not fun.

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Chris in Redding, Ca. campredd...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 On Friday, December 5, 2014 1:26:05 PM UTC-8, Peter M wrote: I only have
 one more piece of hard learned advice ... get the right tool.

 That is a very loose edit. Cost wise tools hurt at the outset. Around here
 they hurt worse than the first several repair bills from the local shop.
 Tool wise, 'good enough' is cheaper but 'very good' can add up, and it adds
 up. This list of musts and optional tools might be interesting to the OP.

 Smooth Tracks,
 Chris
 Redding, Ca.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?

2014-12-05 Thread Deacon Patrick
+1 on Park Tools and anything Rivendell offers. It is amazing the 
difference in feel a quality tool has over a cheep one.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?

2014-12-05 Thread Joe Bernard
I have various Park tools, plus a home mechanics set from Performance. I 
don't agree that everything has to be pricey Park stuff for the occasional 
hobby wrencher. My tool collection mimics my bikes: Some are super 
nice/pricey, some not so much. 

On Friday, December 5, 2014 3:20:21 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 +1 on Park Tools and anything Rivendell offers. It is amazing the 
 difference in feel a quality tool has over a cheep one.

 With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?

2014-12-05 Thread Chris Chen
Also: Ball end hex wrenches will save you time and heartache.

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Chris Chen cc...@nougat.org wrote:

 Just be careful. You can strip threads with a fancy tool too. Start all
 threads with your hands. Don't over torque bolts. Invest in a can of good
 anti-seize formula and a tube of locktite.

 Marvel how gorgeous loose bearings are when they're clean. And how good
 Paul bearing grease smells when it comes out of the tube or tub.

 Lock nuts and washers are cheap. Buy a box of 'em and replace them every
 time you remove one (okay this is a bit fastidious but I used to volunteer
 with an Aircraft mechanic).

 NEVER THROW OUT EXTRA SCREWS OR SPACERS.

 cc

 On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have various Park tools, plus a home mechanics set from Performance.
 I don't agree that everything has to be pricey Park stuff for the
 occasional hobby wrencher. My tool collection mimics my bikes: Some are
 super nice/pricey, some not so much.

 On Friday, December 5, 2014 3:20:21 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 +1 on Park Tools and anything Rivendell offers. It is amazing the
 difference in feel a quality tool has over a cheep one.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?

2014-12-05 Thread Chris Chen
Just be careful. You can strip threads with a fancy tool too. Start all
threads with your hands. Don't over torque bolts. Invest in a can of good
anti-seize formula and a tube of locktite.

Marvel how gorgeous loose bearings are when they're clean. And how good
Paul bearing grease smells when it comes out of the tube or tub.

Lock nuts and washers are cheap. Buy a box of 'em and replace them every
time you remove one (okay this is a bit fastidious but I used to volunteer
with an Aircraft mechanic).

NEVER THROW OUT EXTRA SCREWS OR SPACERS.

cc

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have various Park tools, plus a home mechanics set from Performance. I
 don't agree that everything has to be pricey Park stuff for the occasional
 hobby wrencher. My tool collection mimics my bikes: Some are super
 nice/pricey, some not so much.

 On Friday, December 5, 2014 3:20:21 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 +1 on Park Tools and anything Rivendell offers. It is amazing the
 difference in feel a quality tool has over a cheep one.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?

2014-12-05 Thread Andrew Marchant-Shapiro
Lots of good advice here.  Sometimes cheap can be fine.  I'd wager that the 
only difference between the Park digital caliper and the one I got at Harbor 
Freight for $15 is the color of the electronics housing.  But you'll never pry 
my 3-way Park wrench out of my hands until I'm  rubber side up for good.

BTW, the single best tool I own is my Shimano cable cutter.  That makes life SO 
much more pleasant!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?

2014-12-05 Thread Joe Bernard
Seconded for the Park 3-way wrench, and good cable cutters (Park, too, in 
my case).

On Friday, December 5, 2014 4:41:41 PM UTC-8, Andrew Marchant-Shapiro wrote:

 Lots of good advice here.  Sometimes cheap can be fine.  I'd wager that 
 the only difference between the Park digital caliper and the one I got at 
 Harbor Freight for $15 is the color of the electronics housing.  But you'll 
 never pry my 3-way Park wrench out of my hands until I'm  rubber side up 
 for good. 

 BTW, the single best tool I own is my Shimano cable cutter.  That makes 
 life SO much more pleasant!

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