Re: [RBW] Roadini as commuter?

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I setup my Ram bike with a Mark's rack up front--yes with P-clamps, but it
did the job just fine.  I rode 2 600k brevets on it and it held up fine,
and I had to carry a good amount up front and in my saddlebag.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/42771204@N00/8176967200/in/dateposted-public/

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Re: [RBW] Roadini as commuter?

[Kainalu V.]

I'm a 220lb 6'8" Fresian non sprinter, but the bike came gently used. Might've 
been under a roid raging monster at some point, but the man who I purchased it 
from certainly seemed perfectly calm and kind, and about 200lb wet. It was an 
oddity for sure.
-Kai 
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Re: [RBW] Roadini as commuter?

[Patrick Moore]

How much do you weigh? It's hard to imagine anyone but a 225 lb East German
elite track sprinter on steroids breaking a good steel frame across the bb
shell, loads or no loads.

I've heavily torqued much lighter frames up steep hills, with heavy rear
loads, for years, with no problems. I suspect a cause different from mere
rear loading.

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 9:52 AM, Kainalu V.  wrote:

> I commute on a Quickbeam quite a bit and want to share one concern of
> mine. This Quickbeam of mine is my 2nd as I murdered the first's bottom
> bracket shell with a crack from front to back. On my "new" Quickbeam I have
> some lowriders up front I carry any load I might on, keeping the rear clear
> of anything but my butt. My reasoning is that rear loading killed the old
> frame because those times when I was cranking up a hill standing on the
> pedals with weight on my bars caused undue stress from those rear loads
> riding along side to side without me in the seat to keep it all copacetic.
> I might be wrong, but so far so good (except for that one point when it
> wasn't).
> -Kai of the two beautiful green 'beams
> BK NY
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Re: [RBW] Roadini as commuter?

[Kainalu V.]

I commute on a Quickbeam quite a bit and want to share one concern of mine. 
This Quickbeam of mine is my 2nd as I murdered the first's bottom bracket 
shell with a crack from front to back. On my "new" Quickbeam I have some 
lowriders up front I carry any load I might on, keeping the rear clear of 
anything but my butt. My reasoning is that rear loading killed the old 
frame because those times when I was cranking up a hill standing on the 
pedals with weight on my bars caused undue stress from those rear loads 
riding along side to side without me in the seat to keep it all copacetic. 
I might be wrong, but so far so good (except for that one point when it 
wasn't). 
-Kai of the two beautiful green 'beams
BK NY


On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 3:34:02 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I expect that the Roadini would do better with rear loads than front ones, 
> given Rivendells' typical geometry for their roady models. If it is much 
> like the Ram, then doubleplusgood for that opinion.
>
> I commuted for years on 2 Road Customs (serially, not simultaneously), and 
> still do grocery errands on the later Road Custom, with rear loads in large 
> saddlebags (Nelson LF, Adam, Med Sackville) but have always gone back to 
> rear panniers on a stiff rack (Tubus Fly, various customs). I also owned a 
> Sam Hill and a Ram and both did fine with rear loads of up to 40 lb, but 
> oddly, IME, the Ram better than the Sam which, heavily rear laden, became 
> unpleasantly light in front steering. (I once just to try it put 50 lb in 
> low riders attached to custom braze ons on the front of the Sam: I couldn't 
> steer!)
>
> IME, a bike as stout as the Ram can handle rear loads up to 25 lbs without 
> a waggle, on a good rack (I am about 175). I've also been carrying smaller 
> loads up to 20 lbs on front low riders on the later custom; the bike 
> handles them fine, but this one, and the earlier one, were noticeably 
> better with rear loads. I've carried 40 lbs in the rear on the 2 bikes with 
> little problem, though my usual commuting loads were well under 20 lb.
>
> On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 2:40 PM, Patrick S.  > wrote:
>
>> Hey there, not an RBW owner (yet) but had a question concerning the 
>> Roadini and thought you fine folks might be interested in giving your 
>> "unbiased" opinion. 
>>
>> I've been commuting (approx 2400km / season) with a Surly LHT 26" for the 
>> past while and am really interested in the Roadini for its geometry (higher 
>> cockpit and shorter wheelbase) and looks (of course). I carry about 
>> 10/15lbs up front and ride in all types of weather. Just wondering if 
>> anyone here has built one up and what's their experience so far?
>>
>> Cheers!
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Re: [RBW] Roadini as commuter?

[John W]

I've long used a Carradice Super C with an SQR quick release. It has an 
ample ~20L capacity and I use all of the space. (You need slightly more 
than a fistful of seatpost for the SQR clamp.) I've done this with a 
variety of bikes including ones that wouldn't fall into the typical 
"commuter" species and its worked just fine. Just another consideration.

On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 11:22:42 AM UTC-5, Patrick S. wrote:
>
> I currently have a Sulry 24 pack rack + ILE Porteur bag. Not opposed to 
> move everything to the back though. Used to carry loads this way but found 
> that loading up a 26" sized wheel bike in the front helped stabilize the 
> steering a bit. And I also like having quick access to my stuff in the 
> front also. 
>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Roadini as commuter?

[Patrick S.]

@Max - I'm really lucky. I park my bike in an locked cage with security 
cameras which is situated in an underground parking under our building. 


On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 8:25:01 PM UTC-5, Max S wrote:
>
> Have been reading this thread with interest, as I’m hoping to start bike 
> commuting again soon, once the clavicle heals and the snow and ice are off 
> the roads. 
>
> I’m wondering what the OP’s requirements are with regard to locking the 
> bike up vs. being able to bring it inside at work, leaving the bags on the 
> bike vs. having to take them with, etc?.. 
>
> My most preferred set up for ride quality is either a front bag on a rack 
> or a saddlebag, but only if I can bring the bike in with me. (None of the 
> saddlebags or front bags that I’ve seen or used seem to be very good for 
> easily releasing and then easily carrying...) Often I cannot bring the bike 
> inside, so some kind of quick release and good portage option are needed. 
> In those cases, I find that the inexpensive Wald basket up front works (I 
> just put my work bag in, go, lock, grab, go), as long as the load is not 
> too heavy. In either case, I find that a road bike with a decently long 
> wheelbase does pretty well. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Roadini as commuter?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

As it turns out, the Roadini has braze-ons for a rear rack. Either way, the 
Roadini is a bicycle in the old school sense in that it is not a hot house 
flower, but can handle most any regular road and weather conditions, and 
then some. New school in the sense its designer has been working on ways to 
further tweak and improve this basic idea his entire career, as well as 
explore new parameters (sloped tt, long stays, etc.) and it takes advantage 
of modern materials. Based on what the OP already has in the stable, unless 
his body requires the extra cush of super wide rubber, or he commutes with 
a desktop and 3 changes of clothing and a set of encyclopedias, I say 
Roadini all the way.

On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 11:01:18 PM UTC-8, Patrick S. wrote:
>
> Yep, that would be a good solution. Tubus makes a great rack with this 
> attachment. 
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 11:59:17 AM UTC-5, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>>
>> You certainly do not need p-clamps to enjoy a super solid rack on your 
>> bike. I've had these before and they work just great. This one is on a bike 
>> new to me, which still needs a handlebar wrap, and when I removed the 
>> brakes I did not level the rack. It's now going on another bike anyway. As 
>> has been said many times, this kind of connection has carried countless 
>> loads millions of miles. Seat stay braze-ons are nice and might make it a 
>> bit more secure in theory, but this rack would look killer on a grilver 
>> Roadini.
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> The only possible stumbling block to using the Roadini as your dedicated 
>> commuter is you are going to loose significant tire width over a 26" LHT, 
>> especially if you outfit it with fenders for all weather. Maybe a dual 
>> role--the Roadini on fair weather days when you might want to throw on some 
>> extra miles, the LHT for the more challenging weather. The LHT could be 
>> your camping/gravel bike, the Roadini fast solo or club riding, day trips, 
>> packed dirt road, etc. Perfect!
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 7:03:40 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>>
>>> ...you could use P-clamps, but honestly - why would you want to?  And 
>>> why does this frame have no rack mounting points if carrying a commuting or 
>>> light touring load was considered in the design?)  
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Roadini as commuter?

[Patrick S.]

Yep, that would be a good solution. Tubus makes a great rack with this 
attachment. 





On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 11:59:17 AM UTC-5, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> You certainly do not need p-clamps to enjoy a super solid rack on your 
> bike. I've had these before and they work just great. This one is on a bike 
> new to me, which still needs a handlebar wrap, and when I removed the 
> brakes I did not level the rack. It's now going on another bike anyway. As 
> has been said many times, this kind of connection has carried countless 
> loads millions of miles. Seat stay braze-ons are nice and might make it a 
> bit more secure in theory, but this rack would look killer on a grilver 
> Roadini.
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> The only possible stumbling block to using the Roadini as your dedicated 
> commuter is you are going to loose significant tire width over a 26" LHT, 
> especially if you outfit it with fenders for all weather. Maybe a dual 
> role--the Roadini on fair weather days when you might want to throw on some 
> extra miles, the LHT for the more challenging weather. The LHT could be 
> your camping/gravel bike, the Roadini fast solo or club riding, day trips, 
> packed dirt road, etc. Perfect!
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 7:03:40 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>> ...you could use P-clamps, but honestly - why would you want to?  And why 
>> does this frame have no rack mounting points if carrying a commuting or 
>> light touring load was considered in the design?)  
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Roadini as commuter?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 01/09/2018 08:10 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:

Steve claims to have looked at pictures of the Roadini to conclude that it has 
no rack mounts anywhere.

I see rack mounts at the rear dropouts and barrel style rack mounts up on the 
seat stays.


Didn't see those before, but do see them now.  Missed that picture, 
definitely my bad and thanks for pointing it out.







That’s all you need to mount a rear rack.



Agreed.



Commute away!  APPROVE.


I'd have to agree - at least as well set up for it as a Rambouillet.



Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, Ca



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Re: [RBW] Roadini as commuter?

[Belopsky]

Might be a few months for snow and ice to be off the roads. Think the 
clavicle will heal before that?

My favorite quick release are Ortlieb but they're not exactly rivvy ;)

On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 8:25:01 PM UTC-5, Max S wrote:
>
> Have been reading this thread with interest, as I’m hoping to start bike 
> commuting again soon, once the clavicle heals and the snow and ice are off 
> the roads. 
>
> I’m wondering what the OP’s requirements are with regard to locking the 
> bike up vs. being able to bring it inside at work, leaving the bags on the 
> bike vs. having to take them with, etc?.. 
>
> My most preferred set up for ride quality is either a front bag on a rack 
> or a saddlebag, but only if I can bring the bike in with me. (None of the 
> saddlebags or front bags that I’ve seen or used seem to be very good for 
> easily releasing and then easily carrying...) Often I cannot bring the bike 
> inside, so some kind of quick release and good portage option are needed. 
> In those cases, I find that the inexpensive Wald basket up front works (I 
> just put my work bag in, go, lock, grab, go), as long as the load is not 
> too heavy. In either case, I find that a road bike with a decently long 
> wheelbase does pretty well. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Roadini as commuter?

[Max S]

Have been reading this thread with interest, as I’m hoping to start bike 
commuting again soon, once the clavicle heals and the snow and ice are off the 
roads. 

I’m wondering what the OP’s requirements are with regard to locking the bike up 
vs. being able to bring it inside at work, leaving the bags on the bike vs. 
having to take them with, etc?.. 

My most preferred set up for ride quality is either a front bag on a rack or a 
saddlebag, but only if I can bring the bike in with me. (None of the saddlebags 
or front bags that I’ve seen or used seem to be very good for easily releasing 
and then easily carrying...) Often I cannot bring the bike inside, so some kind 
of quick release and good portage option are needed. In those cases, I find 
that the inexpensive Wald basket up front works (I just put my work bag in, go, 
lock, grab, go), as long as the load is not too heavy. In either case, I find 
that a road bike with a decently long wheelbase does pretty well. 

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Re: [RBW] Roadini as commuter?

[Bill Lindsay]

Steve claims to have looked at pictures of the Roadini to conclude that it has 
no rack mounts anywhere. 

I see rack mounts at the rear dropouts and barrel style rack mounts up on the 
seat stays. That’s all you need to mount a rear rack. 

Commute away!  APPROVE. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, Ca

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Re: [RBW] Roadini as commuter?

[iamkeith]

The fact that the Sams are again being offered in a canti version makes 
them a hard option to ignore but, if you really want to try the lighter 
bike or it is more in lines with your budget, I agree with the minority 
here who predict that the Roadini would be perfectly adequate.

For what it's worth, there are many examples of Rams set up with front 
racks illustrated on the Cyclofiend website, from the days when in-between 
options like the Sam or Homer were not readily available.   Yes, most of 
them use P-clamps which aren't gorgeous, but I can't recall complaints 
about handling or fork failures from those who used them:  
 http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/cc-maker.html#rivendell

Also, If you're comfortable redistributing some of the load to the rear, 
you really don't need ANY racks for the kinds of weights you're talking 
about.  This is what I do on my Ram, with a seat-mounted saddle back 
support and a handlebar bag.   It's perfect for long day rides or 
commuting.  If I want to go fast, I just take them off:




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Re: [RBW] Roadini as commuter?

[Patrick Moore]

Make that 35, and 45 in a pinch; again, good rack. But 25? Easily.

Note that it seems to be geometry that makes a good loader, front or rear.
The best rear loader I owned was a light (by Riv standards) all 531 skinny
tubed 1973 Motobecane Grand Record racing frame; for some reason it handled
rear loads better than any of the 5 Rivs I've owned; certainly better than
the Sam. Short front center, long stays (45 cm). But the Rivs, well, 4 of
them, handled better than the Motobecane unladen.

On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 1:33 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

>
> IME, a bike as stout as the Ram can handle rear loads up to 25 lbs without
> a waggle, on a good rack (I am about 175).
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Re: [RBW] Roadini as commuter?

[Patrick Moore]

+1. I don't think Tubus still makes the Fly, but it might make a similar
rack. I've carried any number of 30 lb + loads on that 11 oz rack: stiff as
a girder, no wagging, and rated to 20 kg.

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> You certainly do not need p-clamps to enjoy a super solid rack on your
> bike. I've had these before and they work just great.
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Re: [RBW] Roadini as commuter?

[Patrick Moore]

I expect that the Roadini would do better with rear loads than front ones,
given Rivendells' typical geometry for their roady models. If it is much
like the Ram, then doubleplusgood for that opinion.

I commuted for years on 2 Road Customs (serially, not simultaneously), and
still do grocery errands on the later Road Custom, with rear loads in large
saddlebags (Nelson LF, Adam, Med Sackville) but have always gone back to
rear panniers on a stiff rack (Tubus Fly, various customs). I also owned a
Sam Hill and a Ram and both did fine with rear loads of up to 40 lb, but
oddly, IME, the Ram better than the Sam which, heavily rear laden, became
unpleasantly light in front steering. (I once just to try it put 50 lb in
low riders attached to custom braze ons on the front of the Sam: I couldn't
steer!)

IME, a bike as stout as the Ram can handle rear loads up to 25 lbs without
a waggle, on a good rack (I am about 175). I've also been carrying smaller
loads up to 20 lbs on front low riders on the later custom; the bike
handles them fine, but this one, and the earlier one, were noticeably
better with rear loads. I've carried 40 lbs in the rear on the 2 bikes with
little problem, though my usual commuting loads were well under 20 lb.

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 2:40 PM, Patrick S.  wrote:

> Hey there, not an RBW owner (yet) but had a question concerning the
> Roadini and thought you fine folks might be interested in giving your
> "unbiased" opinion.
>
> I've been commuting (approx 2400km / season) with a Surly LHT 26" for the
> past while and am really interested in the Roadini for its geometry (higher
> cockpit and shorter wheelbase) and looks (of course). I carry about
> 10/15lbs up front and ride in all types of weather. Just wondering if
> anyone here has built one up and what's their experience so far?
>
> Cheers!
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Re: [RBW] Roadini as commuter?

[lum gim fong]

I commuted 30 miles round trip in my 54 Ram with 6cm stem with Noodles and 
front rack bag it was fantastic. So I dont see why it cant be done on a roadini.

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Re: [RBW] Roadini as commuter?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Tim. Yes, the Mark's Rack is great. I've used it front and back, with 
and without p-clamps, which, in my opinion, are a wonderful example of a 
first world problem. I also think Marks should get a nice discount on 
Mark's Racks.

On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 9:06:57 AM UTC-8, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> I agree, Mark, but I was referring to using the Mark's rack up front 
> (p-clamps to the fork legs), as Patrick S is asking about front loading.  
> The Mark's rack uses a tang to the brake post for its upper mount, just 
> like your example.
>
> On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 10:59 AM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> You certainly do not need p-clamps to enjoy a super solid rack on your 
>> bike. I've had these before and they work just great. This one is on a bike 
>> new to me, which still needs a handlebar wrap, and when I removed the 
>> brakes I did not level the rack. It's now going on another bike anyway. As 
>> has been said many times, this kind of connection has carried countless 
>> loads millions of miles. Seat stay braze-ons are nice and might make it a 
>> bit more secure in theory, but this rack would look killer on a grilver 
>> Roadini.
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> The only possible stumbling block to using the Roadini as your dedicated 
>> commuter is you are going to loose significant tire width over a 26" LHT, 
>> especially if you outfit it with fenders for all weather. Maybe a dual 
>> role--the Roadini on fair weather days when you might want to throw on some 
>> extra miles, the LHT for the more challenging weather. The LHT could be 
>> your camping/gravel bike, the Roadini fast solo or club riding, day trips, 
>> packed dirt road, etc. Perfect!
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 7:03:40 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>>
>>> ...you could use P-clamps, but honestly - why would you want to?  And 
>>> why does this frame have no rack mounting points if carrying a commuting or 
>>> light touring load was considered in the design?)  
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Roadini as commuter?

[Tim Gavin]

Oops, and I mistakenly thought you were responding directly to my mention
of P-clamps, not Steve's.  :)

On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 11:06 AM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Didn't quite finish my thoughts. So a rack on back with a saddlesack or
> panniers in back and a banana sack up front (or equivalents). This is
> assuming your commuting route features average decent road surfaces, or if
> you are a large person, especially if you will be running fenders. I always
> appreciated having the option of a more spritely commuter rig for the fair
> weather days. You are often also carrying less.
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 8:59:17 AM UTC-8, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>>
>> You certainly do not need p-clamps to enjoy a super solid rack on your
>> bike. I've had these before and they work just great. This one is on a bike
>> new to me, which still needs a handlebar wrap, and when I removed the
>> brakes I did not level the rack. It's now going on another bike anyway. As
>> has been said many times, this kind of connection has carried countless
>> loads millions of miles. Seat stay braze-ons are nice and might make it a
>> bit more secure in theory, but this rack would look killer on a grilver
>> Roadini.
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> The only possible stumbling block to using the Roadini as your dedicated
>> commuter is you are going to loose significant tire width over a 26" LHT,
>> especially if you outfit it with fenders for all weather. Maybe a dual
>> role--the Roadini on fair weather days when you might want to throw on some
>> extra miles, the LHT for the more challenging weather. The LHT could be
>> your camping/gravel bike, the Roadini fast solo or club riding, day trips,
>> packed dirt road, etc. Perfect!
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 7:03:40 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>>
>>> ...you could use P-clamps, but honestly - why would you want to?  And
>>> why does this frame have no rack mounting points if carrying a commuting or
>>> light touring load was considered in the design?)
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Roadini as commuter?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Didn't quite finish my thoughts. So a rack on back with a saddlesack or 
panniers in back and a banana sack up front (or equivalents). This is 
assuming your commuting route features average decent road surfaces, or if 
you are a large person, especially if you will be running fenders. I always 
appreciated having the option of a more spritely commuter rig for the fair 
weather days. You are often also carrying less. 

On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 8:59:17 AM UTC-8, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> You certainly do not need p-clamps to enjoy a super solid rack on your 
> bike. I've had these before and they work just great. This one is on a bike 
> new to me, which still needs a handlebar wrap, and when I removed the 
> brakes I did not level the rack. It's now going on another bike anyway. As 
> has been said many times, this kind of connection has carried countless 
> loads millions of miles. Seat stay braze-ons are nice and might make it a 
> bit more secure in theory, but this rack would look killer on a grilver 
> Roadini.
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> The only possible stumbling block to using the Roadini as your dedicated 
> commuter is you are going to loose significant tire width over a 26" LHT, 
> especially if you outfit it with fenders for all weather. Maybe a dual 
> role--the Roadini on fair weather days when you might want to throw on some 
> extra miles, the LHT for the more challenging weather. The LHT could be 
> your camping/gravel bike, the Roadini fast solo or club riding, day trips, 
> packed dirt road, etc. Perfect!
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 7:03:40 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>> ...you could use P-clamps, but honestly - why would you want to?  And why 
>> does this frame have no rack mounting points if carrying a commuting or 
>> light touring load was considered in the design?)  
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Roadini as commuter?

[Tim Gavin]

I agree, Mark, but I was referring to using the Mark's rack up front
(p-clamps to the fork legs), as Patrick S is asking about front loading.
The Mark's rack uses a tang to the brake post for its upper mount, just
like your example.

On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 10:59 AM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> You certainly do not need p-clamps to enjoy a super solid rack on your
> bike. I've had these before and they work just great. This one is on a bike
> new to me, which still needs a handlebar wrap, and when I removed the
> brakes I did not level the rack. It's now going on another bike anyway. As
> has been said many times, this kind of connection has carried countless
> loads millions of miles. Seat stay braze-ons are nice and might make it a
> bit more secure in theory, but this rack would look killer on a grilver
> Roadini.
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> The only possible stumbling block to using the Roadini as your dedicated
> commuter is you are going to loose significant tire width over a 26" LHT,
> especially if you outfit it with fenders for all weather. Maybe a dual
> role--the Roadini on fair weather days when you might want to throw on some
> extra miles, the LHT for the more challenging weather. The LHT could be
> your camping/gravel bike, the Roadini fast solo or club riding, day trips,
> packed dirt road, etc. Perfect!
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 7:03:40 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>> ...you could use P-clamps, but honestly - why would you want to?  And why
>> does this frame have no rack mounting points if carrying a commuting or
>> light touring load was considered in the design?)
>>
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Re: [RBW] Roadini as commuter?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

You certainly do not need p-clamps to enjoy a super solid rack on your 
bike. I've had these before and they work just great. This one is on a bike 
new to me, which still needs a handlebar wrap, and when I removed the 
brakes I did not level the rack. It's now going on another bike anyway. As 
has been said many times, this kind of connection has carried countless 
loads millions of miles. Seat stay braze-ons are nice and might make it a 
bit more secure in theory, but this rack would look killer on a grilver 
Roadini.






The only possible stumbling block to using the Roadini as your dedicated 
commuter is you are going to loose significant tire width over a 26" LHT, 
especially if you outfit it with fenders for all weather. Maybe a dual 
role--the Roadini on fair weather days when you might want to throw on some 
extra miles, the LHT for the more challenging weather. The LHT could be 
your camping/gravel bike, the Roadini fast solo or club riding, day trips, 
packed dirt road, etc. Perfect!


On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 7:03:40 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> ...you could use P-clamps, but honestly - why would you want to?  And why 
> does this frame have no rack mounting points if carrying a commuting or 
> light touring load was considered in the design?)  
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Roadini as commuter?

[Tim Gavin]

Yeah, that rack/bag combo may be a bit much on the Roadini.  And I don't
know how you'd attach the 24-pack rack to any Riv without eyelets on the
fork crown.
A Mark's rack would fit the Roadini fine, with either p-clamps on the fork
legs or long stays down to the fender eyelets.

But there are plenty of smart rack-less front bags available from
bike-packing bag makers, so don't let the rack be a limit.
For example, I also have a plastic (CF) cyclocross bike, and I've Rivved it
out somewhat with fenders, bags, and Brooks tape and saddle.  It handles a
#20 load in the Revelate Harness on front even better than my Riv carries a
#10 load in its randonneur bag.

On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 8:41 AM, Patrick S.  wrote:

> I currently have a Sulry 24 pack rack + ILE Porteur bag. Not opposed to
> move everything to the back though. Used to carry loads this way but found
> that loading up a 26" sized wheel bike in the front helped stabilize the
> steering a bit. And I also like having quick access to my stuff in the
> front also.
>
>
> On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 10:30:10 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 01/08/2018 04:40 PM, Patrick S. wrote:
>> > Hey there, not an RBW owner (yet) but had a question concerning the
>> > Roadini and thought you fine folks might be interested in giving your
>> > "unbiased" opinion.
>> >
>> > I've been commuting (approx 2400km / season) with a Surly LHT 26" for
>> > the past while and am really interested in the Roadini for its
>> > geometry (higher cockpit and shorter wheelbase) and looks (of course).
>> > I carry about 10/15lbs up front
>>
>> Carried "up front" how?
>>
>>
>> > and ride in all types of weather. Just wondering if anyone here has
>> > built one up and what's their experience so far?
>> >
>>
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>> USA
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Re: [RBW] Roadini as commuter?

[Patrick S.]

I currently have a Sulry 24 pack rack + ILE Porteur bag. Not opposed to 
move everything to the back though. Used to carry loads this way but found 
that loading up a 26" sized wheel bike in the front helped stabilize the 
steering a bit. And I also like having quick access to my stuff in the 
front also. 


On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 10:30:10 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
>
> On 01/08/2018 04:40 PM, Patrick S. wrote: 
> > Hey there, not an RBW owner (yet) but had a question concerning the 
> > Roadini and thought you fine folks might be interested in giving your 
> > "unbiased" opinion. 
> > 
> > I've been commuting (approx 2400km / season) with a Surly LHT 26" for 
> > the past while and am really interested in the Roadini for its 
> > geometry (higher cockpit and shorter wheelbase) and looks (of course). 
> > I carry about 10/15lbs up front 
>
> Carried "up front" how? 
>
>
> > and ride in all types of weather. Just wondering if anyone here has 
> > built one up and what's their experience so far? 
> > 
>
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> USA 
>
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Re: [RBW] Roadini as commuter?

[Tim Gavin]

On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 9:55 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>
> On 01/09/2018 10:37 AM, Jonathan D. wrote:
>
>> I believe the Roadini was intentionally designed without the rack mounts
>> to discourage folks from loading up the bike. Grant stated that rack mounts
>> encourage carrying loads and eventually this bike would end up like all his
>> others. This bike
>> Is meant to be a tripped down light bike. The Sam is the do it all.
>>
>>
> Confirming that it wasn't designed to be used as a commuter...


But any Rivendell can be used outside its main design focus.  Grant
espouses "under-biking", where you push a bike outside its parameters, just
for the fun or challenge.


I have a Rivendell Road Standard, the first roadie Riv, basically a (very)
fancy RB-1.  I tour on it, ride gravel, commute, and I've even done (easy)
singletrack on it.  I carry a front randonneur bag on a Mark's rack (with
long stays down to the fender eyelets, due to no rack eyelets).
It handles a #10 commuting load pretty well, but I admit that a fork with
low trail (wish list) would probably handle that load even better.  And
that a fork with rack eyelets would have been easier to equip.  I also
admit that it didn't have enough tire/fender clearance, which is why I
changed it to 650b wheels and long-reach centerpull brakes.
But, my point is it can do many things well that weren't its main focus, *so
long as you can adapt and compromise*.


Patrick S, you just have to weigh your priorities.
The Roadini has a lower price, less tire/fender clearance, fewer eyelets,
decent commuting ability, and a little lower weight.
A Sam has more of each, and a canti-Sam would have even more.
The Roadini will probably feel lighter and handle more sprightly than a Sam
or other heavier Riv.  But each is fun to ride in its own way.


FYI, Rivendell's mid to high trail front geometry means they're happier
with front panniers than with a top front load.  The Sam is no different
than the Roadini in this regard.  So, if you prioritize carrying a load
above the front wheel, you may be happier on a bike with a low trail fork.

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Re: [RBW] Roadini as commuter?

[Jonathan D.]

Ageeed. Though a Riv not designed to be a commuter is still probably a better 
commuter then most other brands commuter bike. 

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Re: [RBW] Roadini as commuter?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 01/09/2018 10:37 AM, Jonathan D. wrote:

I believe the Roadini was intentionally designed without the rack mounts to 
discourage folks from loading up the bike. Grant stated that rack mounts 
encourage carrying loads and eventually this bike would end up like all his 
others. This bike
Is meant to be a tripped down light bike. The Sam is the do it all.



Confirming that it wasn't designed to be used as a commuter...

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Re: [RBW] Roadini as commuter?

[Jonathan D.]

I believe the Roadini was intentionally designed without the rack mounts to 
discourage folks from loading up the bike. Grant stated that rack mounts 
encourage carrying loads and eventually this bike would end up like all his 
others. This bike
Is meant to be a tripped down light bike. The Sam is the do it all. 

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Re: [RBW] Roadini as commuter?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 01/09/2018 09:44 AM, Jonathan D. wrote:

I also have a Ram and love to ride it. I was told by Will it is a Roadini with 
more lugs.


Well, except that the Rambouillet had rear rack mounting points on the 
seat stays.  As far as I can tell from looking at the pictures on the 
Riv web site, the Roadini has no rack mounts of any kind anywhere.  That 
greatly limits its usefulness as a commuter in my book.  I've commuted 
carrying clothes and shoes in a large seat bag, and although it works, 
it's far less handy than carrying clothes and shoes in panniers.  (Yes, 
you could use P-clamps, but honestly - why would you want to?  And why 
does this frame have no rack mounting points if carrying a commuting or 
light touring load was considered in the design?)


Riv's web site says this about the Roadini:

   /
   /

   /The Roadini is an all-around, all-weather road bike. It gives up
   nothing to modern extreme bikes on smooth, ideal roads, and is far
   better in every way when conditions are crappy. It has the classical
   clearances of the oldies, higher quality overall construction, is
   more comfortable, and rides like a Rivendell./

   //

   /If up to now you’ve avoided road bikes because they’re so weird,
   extreme, and expensive, now there’s one that isn’t. This year we’re
   making just over 100 frames in 5 sizes (listed below) expected early
   this fall. We have a second run scheduled for early next year./


I think "road bike" in this context is meant the same way as with your 
LBS carbon fibre road racers.  I do not believe it is meant as "sport 
touring" - which the Rambouillet pretty clearly was.


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Re: [RBW] Roadini as commuter?

[Surlyprof]

+1 on Jonathan’s insight.  I often commute with more than 15# on my Sam (often 
lopsided) but it is also my only road bike.  I found it to be much more lively 
and comfortable than the LHT and Cross Check.  Wheels and tires are an 
important part of that formula.

All that said, the Roadini is a beautiful bike.

John

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Re: [RBW] Roadini as commuter?

[Jonathan D.]

I think a Canti-Sam would work better. The Roadini sounds great but it doesn’t 
have the room for fenders or the options with racks. The Sam is just a great 
all around bike that can go as a lightish bike or a heavier commuter. 

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Re: [RBW] Roadini as commuter?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 01/08/2018 04:40 PM, Patrick S. wrote:
Hey there, not an RBW owner (yet) but had a question concerning the 
Roadini and thought you fine folks might be interested in giving your 
"unbiased" opinion.


I've been commuting (approx 2400km / season) with a Surly LHT 26" for 
the past while and am really interested in the Roadini for its 
geometry (higher cockpit and shorter wheelbase) and looks (of course). 
I carry about 10/15lbs up front


Carried "up front" how?


and ride in all types of weather. Just wondering if anyone here has 
built one up and what's their experience so far?




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