Re: [RDA-L] Change of title, not content : RDA experts

2013-02-19 Thread Gene Fieg
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Gene Fieg gf...@cst.edu wrote:

 I asked this question before, but we might as well go with RDA in this
 matter.
 Book in hand: A brief history of the Western world / Thomas H. Greer,
 Gavin Lewis.
 Prev. title:  A brief history of Western man.
 Under RDA do we need a preferred access point (i.e. u.t.) for this?
 Chapter 6 ain't too clear and I don't see an LCCPS on this.


 LC has classed both under the same class using the same cutter.

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Re: [RDA-L] Change of title, not content : RDA experts

2013-02-19 Thread Damian Iseminger
Authorized access points are not required in RDA.  The decision to use them is 
up to you.  In your case it might be a good idea to create one.

Damian Iseminger
Head of Cataloging
New England Conservatory

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On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Gene Fieg 
gf...@cst.edumailto:gf...@cst.edu wrote:
I asked this question before, but we might as well go with RDA in this matter.
Book in hand: A brief history of the Western world / Thomas H. Greer, Gavin 
Lewis.
Prev. title:  A brief history of Western man.
Under RDA do we need a preferred access point (i.e. u.t.) for this?
Chapter 6 ain't too clear and I don't see an LCCPS on this.


LC has classed both under the same class using the same cutter.

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Claremont School of Theology
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Re: [RDA-L] Change of title, not content : RDA experts

2013-02-19 Thread Kevin M Randall
Damian Iseminger wrote:

 Authorized access points are not required in RDA.  The decision to use
 them is up to you.  In your case it might be a good idea to create one.

I beg to differ.  In RDA chapter 17 (General Guidelines on Recording Primary 
Relationships), it says at 17.3 Core Elements:

When recording primary relationships, include as a minimum the work 
manifested. If there is more than one expression of the work, record the 
expression manifested.
If more than one work is embodied in the manifestation, only the 
predominant or first-named work manifested is required.
If more than one expression is embodied in the manifestation, only the 
predominant or first-named expression manifested is required.

Therefore, the primary relationship is Core.  In most current environments, the 
only method we have to record the primary relationship is via the authorized 
access point.  Most agencies are not yet at the point where they can use an 
identifier.

I do not understand the LC-PCC PS for chapter 17.  It says:  LC practice for 
Chapter 17: Do not apply chapter 17 in the current implementation scenario.  
But it is, in fact, being applied in practice.  It's what we're doing when we 
give the authorized access point, the recording method described in 17.4.2.2.

Kevin M. Randall
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Northwestern University Library
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Re: [RDA-L] Change of title, not content : RDA experts

2013-02-19 Thread Damian Iseminger
Kevin,

I also beg to differ. It is up to you how you want express the Work manifested 
relationship. According to 17.4.2.2 you can use an identifier or an authorized 
access point OR a composite description. The only thing Core is expressing the 
primary relationship.

So in the situation is was responding to earlier, the Work manifested 
relationship could be just as easily expressed in a composite description as:

A brief history of the Western world / Thomas H. Greer, Gavin Lewis.
...
Previous title: A brief history of Western man.

In fact this is eerily similar to the Composite Description example at 
17.8.1.3, Recording a Work Manifested.

Damian Iseminger
Head of Cataloging
New England Conservatory

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Damian Iseminger wrote:

 Authorized access points are not required in RDA.  The decision to use
 them is up to you.  In your case it might be a good idea to create one.

I beg to differ.  In RDA chapter 17 (General Guidelines on Recording Primary 
Relationships), it says at 17.3 Core Elements:

When recording primary relationships, include as a minimum the work 
manifested. If there is more than one expression of the work, record the 
expression manifested.
If more than one work is embodied in the manifestation, only the 
predominant or first-named work manifested is required.
If more than one expression is embodied in the manifestation, only the 
predominant or first-named expression manifested is required.

Therefore, the primary relationship is Core.  In most current environments, the 
only method we have to record the primary relationship is via the authorized 
access point.  Most agencies are not yet at the point where they can use an 
identifier.

I do not understand the LC-PCC PS for chapter 17.  It says:  LC practice for 
Chapter 17: Do not apply chapter 17 in the current implementation scenario.  
But it is, in fact, being applied in practice.  It's what we're doing when we 
give the authorized access point, the recording method described in 17.4.2.2.

Kevin M. Randall
Principal Serials Cataloger
Northwestern University Library
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(847) 491-2939

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Re: [RDA-L] Change of title, not content : RDA experts

2013-02-19 Thread Jasmin Nof
Based on slide 23 and its notes from the LC session on FRBR, RDA, and 
MARC, where the title of the 2nd ed. doesn't match the title of the 1st 
ed., a 240 is required in the bib record.  As Damian notes below, the 
creation of an authority record for Expression is not required by RDA, 
but I'm not sure if that's also LC-PCC practice.


Jasmin

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On 2/19/2013 2:26 PM, Damian Iseminger wrote:


Authorized access points are not required in RDA.  The decision to use 
them is up to you.  In your case it might be a good idea to create one.


Damian Iseminger

Head of Cataloging

New England Conservatory

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On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Gene Fieg gf...@cst.edu 
mailto:gf...@cst.edu wrote:


I asked this question before, but we might as well go with RDA in this 
matter.


Book in hand: A brief history of the Western world / Thomas H. Greer, 
Gavin Lewis.


Prev. title:  A brief history of Western man.

Under RDA do we need a preferred access point (i.e. u.t.) for this?

Chapter 6 ain't too clear and I don't see an LCCPS on this.

LC has classed both under the same class using the same cutter.

--

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Re: [RDA-L] Change of title, not content : RDA experts

2013-02-19 Thread Damian Iseminger
Kevin,

I totally agree with you. I don't see how the composite description helps at 
all in collocation. As a music cataloger I use uniform titles everyday, just 
because of the nature of music publishing (multiple language manifestation 
titles for the same work) but then I've realized that most general catalogers 
use them infrequently, if at all.  If a work is only manifested once, which is 
the case for many monographs, there really isn't a need to collocate.

Damian

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Damian Iseminger wrote:

 I also beg to differ. It is up to you how you want express the Work
 manifested relationship. According to 17.4.2.2 you can use an identifier or
 an authorized access point OR a composite description. The only thing
 Core is expressing the primary relationship.
 
 So in the situation is was responding to earlier, the Work manifested
 relationship could be just as easily expressed in a composite description
 as:
 
 A brief history of the Western world / Thomas H. Greer, Gavin Lewis.
 ...
 Previous title: A brief history of Western man.
 
 In fact this is eerily similar to the Composite Description example at
 17.8.1.3, Recording a Work Manifested.

Good point!  But without an identifier or an authorized access point, I don't 
see any way for a composite description to fulfill any kind of collocating 
function in a database of bibliographic data.  So I guess you're right that the 
authorized access point isn't core in RDA.  But in order to meet RDA objective 
0.4.2.4 Continuity (The data should be amenable to integration into existing 
databases (particularly those developed using AACR and related standards)) then 
I think we really should all be thinking of the authorized access point as 
being core in our implementation for the time being.

Kevin M. Randall
Principal Serials Cataloger
Northwestern University Library
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(847) 491-2939

Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978!


Re: [RDA-L] Change of title, not content : RDA experts

2013-02-19 Thread Paradis Daniel
LC's RDA training materials provides the answer to your question (see 
http://www.loc.gov/catworkshop/RDA%20training%20materials/LC%20RDA%20Training/Module3ExpressionsAndContentSept12.doc,
 Appendix 2). The examples provided indicate that a uniform title would be 
used to collocate the editions if following LC practice:

 

C. New title proper, and the work has been revised 

o   new expression

o   UT field for original preferred title -- change from AACR2 (related 
work a.e.)

 

Example A:

Original:

100  $a Monson, Craig.

245  $a Disembodied voices : $b music and culture in an early modern Italian 
convent /

$c Craig A. Monson.

260  $a Berkeley : $b University of California Press, $c 1995.

 

Revision:

100  $a Monson, Craig. 

240  $a Disembodied voices

245  $a Divas in the convent : $b nuns, music, and defiance in 
seventeenth-century Italy /

$c Craig A. Monson.

260  $a Chicago : $b University of Chicago Press, $c 2012.

500  $a Revision of the author's Disembodied voices.

 

Example B:

Original:

245  $a Contemporary art and multicultural education / $c edited by Susan Cahan 
and

Zoya Kucor.

260  $a New York : $b New Museum of Contemporary Art : $b Routledge, $c 1996.

 

Revision:

130  $a Contemporary art and multicultural education

245  $a Rethinking Contemporary Art and Multicultural Education / $c The New

Museum of Contemporary Art.

250  $a Fully revised second edition.

260  $a New York, NY : $b Routledge, $c 2011.

 

 

Daniel Paradis

 

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On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Gene Fieg gf...@cst.edu wrote:

I asked this question before, but we might as well go with RDA in this matter.

Book in hand: A brief history of the Western world / Thomas H. Greer, Gavin 
Lewis.

Prev. title:  A brief history of Western man.

Under RDA do we need a preferred access point (i.e. u.t.) for this?

Chapter 6 ain't too clear and I don't see an LCCPS on this.

 

 

LC has classed both under the same class using the same cutter.

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Cataloger/Serials Librarian
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Re: [RDA-L] Change of title, not content : RDA experts

2013-02-19 Thread Adam L. Schiff
For each resource you must name the work embodied in the resource.  That 
can be done with an authorized access point (e.g. in MARC 130, or 100/240, 
or it can be implied with 100/245 (or 245 alone) when the title portion 
of the authorized access point of the work is identical to the 
manifestation title.


As to whether to name the revised edition using the title of the previous 
edition or not, I found this in RDA:


If the work is presented simply as an edition of the previously existing 
work, treat it as an expression of that work. Use the authorized access 
point representing the previously existing work. If it is considered 
important to identify the particular expression, construct an authorized 
access point representing the expression as instructed at 6.27.3


But this instruction is at 6.27.1.6 and deals specifically with 
Commentary, Annotations, Illustrative Content, Etc., Added to a Previously 
Existing Work.  So I'm not sure if this applies in your case.


In the RDA NACO bridge training, in demonstration 8.b, there is an example 
of a dictionary that changed titles between editions, and a 130 is given 
for the original work, without any expression elements added to it.  When 
I inquired about that, Melanie Polutta explained LC's policy:


if I was really implementing RDA to its fullest, then I would be adding 
an expression element to the revised edition authorized access point, from 
the Other distinguishing characteristic of Expression to make those 
expressions unique, the same as we do currently for language expressions. 
But right now, in MARC, that would create more work than it is worth, for 
the same reason that LC is currently choosing NOT to create unique NAR's 
for every variant translation in the same language. TOO MUCH WORK. I COULD 
be creating a 130/240 for those revised editions that would be Name. Title 
of Work (Revised edition), with all the NAR's implied. But the sheer 
number of NAR's there is really not to be considered at this point. So 
what we have focused on is that the variant expressions in the same 
language all need to be unified under the authorized access point based on 
Title of Work, thus the use of the 130, where we never used it before, and 
the need for an NAR when using a 240.


So I think the answer to your question Gene, is that there should be a 240 
with the title portion of the authorized access point for the earlier 
edition.  I'm assuming that Greer is the first named creator of both?  If 
not, the 100 field would be the creator of the earlier edition.  All this 
is presuming that what we have is an expression of the same work, rather 
than a new work.


Adam

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On Tue, 19 Feb 2013, Damian Iseminger wrote:


Authorized access points are not required in RDA.  The decision to use them is 
up to you.  In your case it might be a good idea to create one.

Damian Iseminger
Head of Cataloging
New England Conservatory

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On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Gene Fieg 
gf...@cst.edumailto:gf...@cst.edu wrote:
I asked this question before, but we might as well go with RDA in this matter.
Book in hand: A brief history of the Western world / Thomas H. Greer, Gavin 
Lewis.
Prev. title:  A brief history of Western man.
Under RDA do we need a preferred access point (i.e. u.t.) for this?
Chapter 6 ain't too clear and I don't see an LCCPS on this.


LC has classed both under the same class using the same cutter.

--
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Cataloger/Serials Librarian
Claremont School of Theology
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Re: [RDA-L] Change of title, not content : RDA experts

2013-02-19 Thread Adam L. Schiff
Thanks for locating the documentation on this Daniel.  But we shouldn't be 
expected to have to try to find it there - it needs to be in the LC-PCC 
PSs where catalogers can be expected to look once they have been trained 
in RDA.   Hopefully someone from LC PSD is reading this and can put 
something in the policy statements!


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University of Washington Libraries
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Seattle, WA 98195-2900
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On Tue, 19 Feb 2013, Paradis Daniel wrote:


LC's RDA training materials provides the answer to your question (see 
http://www.loc.gov/catworkshop/RDA%20training%20materials/LC%20RDA%20Training/Module3ExpressionsAndContentSept12.doc,
 Appendix 2). The examples provided indicate that a uniform title would be 
used to collocate the editions if following LC practice:



C. New title proper, and the work has been revised

o   new expression

o   UT field for original preferred title -- change from AACR2 (related 
work a.e.)



Example A:

Original:

100  $a Monson, Craig.

245  $a Disembodied voices : $b music and culture in an early modern Italian 
convent /

   $c Craig A. Monson.

260  $a Berkeley : $b University of California Press, $c 1995.



Revision:

100  $a Monson, Craig.

240  $a Disembodied voices

245  $a Divas in the convent : $b nuns, music, and defiance in 
seventeenth-century Italy /

   $c Craig A. Monson.

260  $a Chicago : $b University of Chicago Press, $c 2012.

500  $a Revision of the author's Disembodied voices.



Example B:

Original:

245  $a Contemporary art and multicultural education / $c edited by Susan Cahan 
and

   Zoya Kucor.

260  $a New York : $b New Museum of Contemporary Art : $b Routledge, $c 1996.



Revision:

130  $a Contemporary art and multicultural education

245  $a Rethinking Contemporary Art and Multicultural Education / $c The New

   Museum of Contemporary Art.

250  $a Fully revised second edition.

260  $a New York, NY : $b Routledge, $c 2011.





Daniel Paradis



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Direction du traitement documentaire des collections patrimoniales

Biblioth?que et Archives nationales du Qu?bec



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On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Gene Fieg gf...@cst.edu wrote:

I asked this question before, but we might as well go with RDA in this matter.

Book in hand: A brief history of the Western world / Thomas H. Greer, Gavin 
Lewis.

Prev. title:  A brief history of Western man.

Under RDA do we need a preferred access point (i.e. u.t.) for this?

Chapter 6 ain't too clear and I don't see an LCCPS on this.





LC has classed both under the same class using the same cutter.

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Claremont School of Theology
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Re: [RDA-L] Change of title, not content : RDA experts

2013-02-19 Thread Adam L. Schiff
Probably John, but the example illustrates the more simple case of two 
editions with the identical title.  It's obviously more of a judgment call 
if you have versions with different titles, but hopefully the later 
version clearly states that it is just a revision of the earlier edition.


Maybe it would be good to add an additional example at this part of that 
instruction.   I'll suggest it to the RDA Examples Group.


Adam

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On Tue, 19 Feb 2013, John Hostage wrote:


Isn't this covered by the last part of  RDA 6.27.1.5?

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Thanks for locating the documentation on this Daniel.  But we shouldn't
be expected to have to try to find it there - it needs to be in the LC-
PCC PSs where catalogers can be expected to look once they have been
trained
in RDA.   Hopefully someone from LC PSD is reading this and can put
something in the policy statements!

^^
Adam L. Schiff
Principal Cataloger
University of Washington Libraries
Box 352900
Seattle, WA 98195-2900
(206) 543-8409
(206) 685-8782 fax
asch...@u.washington.edu
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~~

On Tue, 19 Feb 2013, Paradis Daniel wrote:


LC's RDA training materials provides the answer to your question (see

http://www.loc.gov/catworkshop/RDA%20training%20materials/LC%20RDA%20Tr
aining/Module3ExpressionsAndContentSept12.doc, Appendix 2). The
examples provided indicate that a uniform title would be used to
collocate the editions if following LC practice:




C. New title proper, and the work has been revised

o   new expression

o   UT field for original preferred title -- change from AACR2

(related work a.e.)




Example A:

Original:

100  $a Monson, Craig.

245  $a Disembodied voices : $b music and culture in an early modern
Italian convent /

   $c Craig A. Monson.

260  $a Berkeley : $b University of California Press, $c 1995.



Revision:

100  $a Monson, Craig.

240  $a Disembodied voices

245  $a Divas in the convent : $b nuns, music, and defiance in
seventeenth-century Italy /

   $c Craig A. Monson.

260  $a Chicago : $b University of Chicago Press, $c 2012.

500  $a Revision of the author's Disembodied voices.



Example B:

Original:

245  $a Contemporary art and multicultural education / $c edited by
Susan Cahan and

   Zoya Kucor.

260  $a New York : $b New Museum of Contemporary Art : $b Routledge,

$c 1996.




Revision:

130  $a Contemporary art and multicultural education

245  $a Rethinking Contemporary Art and Multicultural Education / $c
The New

   Museum of Contemporary Art.

250  $a Fully revised second edition.

260  $a New York, NY : $b Routledge, $c 2011.