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Re: [RE-wrenches] Propane frig

2021-10-18 Thread Jay

Hi Bill

Here is one that has a 300 watt ac side. 
Propane doesn’t use any watts

https://uniqueappliances.com/product/10-cu-ft-propane-fridge/

Jay

> On Oct 18, 2021, at 12:44 PM, frenergy  wrote:
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> I've got another off-gridder that is telling me the propane frig they want 
> to get pulls 350 watts.  Is this correct?...  Never heard of a glow bar for a 
> frig.
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Propane frig

2021-10-18 Thread Dan Fink

Bill; That sure sounds like a 3-way RV fridge to me -- propane, 120VAC or
12VDC, lever selectable, doesn't use any electricity when run on propane
except sometimes a light and temperature display/control. The small 3-ways
I've dealt with tended to draw ~140W, but I guess it wouldn't surprise me
if a larger model drew 350W on AC or DC, and they make some pretty large
ones for the mobile palaces. Terribly inefficient when run electrically,
it's just a heating element, but OK for the RV park where the electrical is
free and from a pedestal. I've had to break that bad news to a few off-grid
wannabees, unfortunately usually after they already bought one. Efficient
electric fridges suitable for off-grid solar all use a compressor.
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On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 12:44 PM frenergy  wrote:

> I've got another off-gridder that is telling me the propane frig they
> want to get pulls 350 watts.  Is this correct?...  Never heard of a glow
> bar for a frig.
>
> Bill
>
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> Feather River Solar Electric
> Bill Battagin, Owner
> 4291 Nelson St.
> Taylorsville, CA 95983
> 530.284.7849
> CA Lic 874049
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[RE-wrenches] Propane frig

2021-10-18 Thread frenergy

I've got another off-gridder that is telling me the propane frig they 
want to get pulls 350 watts.  Is this correct?...  Never heard of a glow 
bar for a frig.


Bill


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Re: [RE-wrenches] Trace 4024 cutting out

2021-10-18 Thread Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar

I meant to say full load test it with a couple of 1500 watt heaters.

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On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 08:21:44 -0700, Dave Angelini
Offgrid Solar wrote:

Load test it! It may be the last time. It also
might be bad contacts on the transfer switch. A good tech can switch AC1
and AC2 or may have the relay.
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On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 08:11:33
-0700, frenergy wrote:

Chris and Jerry,

Sorry, I forgot to mention I
did exactly that, had the Fluke clipped to the + and (-) of the pack and
watched it as load was applied. Yes, voltage fell but never got below
~24.4V when the inverter output stopped. Checked tightness of all battery
connections, terminal to terminal cables, virtually no corrosion anywhere.
Also, inverter stayed ON, just the output cut-out, then back on then off,
then..

Bill
Feather River Solar Electric
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On 10/18/2021 7:14 AM, Jerry Shafer wrote:
Look at the batteries, use a meter right at the bolts going in to the
inverter, sounds like low voltage cut out.
On Sun, Oct 17, 2021, 9:07 PM
frenergy wrote: Hey Folks,

stays on the entire time (yellow light and that famous audio buzz) but I

hear a relay? inside the left side of the wiring section with each
change
of on-off, off-on state. I assume its a repair to a service
shop. Ideas?
Recommendations for repair shops? I haven't been getting
a response from
the Solar Cowboyz in Grass Valley.

Thanks,

Bill

Feather River Solar
Electric
Bill Battagin, Owner
4291 Nelson St.
Taylorsville, CA 95983

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Trace 4024 cutting out

2021-10-18 Thread Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar

Load test it! It may be the last time. It also might be bad contacts on
the transfer switch. A good tech can switch AC1 and AC2 or may have the
relay.
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On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 08:11:33 -0700, frenergy wrote:

Chris and Jerry,

Sorry, I forgot to mention I did exactly that, had
the Fluke clipped to the + and (-) of the pack and watched it as load was
applied. Yes, voltage fell but never got below ~24.4V when the inverter
output stopped. Checked tightness of all battery connections, terminal to
terminal cables, virtually no corrosion anywhere. Also, inverter stayed ON,
just the output cut-out, then back on then off, then..

Bill
Feather
River Solar Electric
Bill Battagin, Owner
4291 Nelson St.
Taylorsville, CA
95983
530.284.7849
CA Lic 874049
www.frenergy.net [3]

On 10/18/2021 7:14
AM, Jerry Shafer wrote: Look at the batteries, use a meter right at the
bolts going in to the inverter, sounds like low voltage cut out.
On Sun,
Oct 17, 2021, 9:07 PM frenergy wrote: Hey Folks,

I haven't seen this one
until yesterday. Customer with a
20 year old Trace SW4024 called. I've
been servicing this reliable
system for the last 8 years. He said after a
delay the power shuts off
when a moderate load comes on after 5-15
seconds, then back on, then
off. Light loads no problem, the power
stays on. The inverter
stays on the entire time (yellow light and that
famous audio buzz) but I
hear a relay? inside the left side of the wiring
section with each
change of on-off, off-on state. I assume its a repair
to a service
shop. Ideas? Recommendations for repair shops? I haven't
been getting
a response from the Solar Cowboyz in Grass Valley.

Thanks,

Bill

Feather River Solar Electric
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4291
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Taylorsville, CA 95983
530.284.7849
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Trace 4024 cutting out

2021-10-18 Thread frenergy


Chris and Jerry,

            Sorry, I forgot to mention I did exactly that, had the 
Fluke clipped to the + and (-) of the pack and watched it as load was 
applied.  Yes, voltage fell but never got below ~24.4V when the inverter 
output stopped.  Checked tightness of all battery connections, terminal 
to terminal cables, virtually no corrosion anywhere.  Also, inverter 
stayed ON, just the output cut-out, then back on then off, then..


Bill

Feather River Solar Electric
Bill Battagin, Owner
4291 Nelson St.
Taylorsville, CA 95983
530.284.7849
CA Lic 874049
www.frenergy.net


On 10/18/2021 7:14 AM, Jerry Shafer wrote:
Look at the batteries, use a meter right at the bolts going in to the 
inverter, sounds like low voltage cut out.


On Sun, Oct 17, 2021, 9:07 PM frenergy  wrote:

Hey Folks,

         I haven't seen this one until yesterday. Customer with a
20 year old Trace SW4024 called.  I've been servicing this reliable
system for the last 8 years.  He said after a delay the power
shuts off
when a moderate load comes on after 5-15 seconds, then back on, then
off.  Light loads no problem, the power stays on.  The inverter
stays on the entire time (yellow light and that famous audio buzz)
but I
hear a relay? inside the left side of the wiring section with each
change of on-off, off-on state. I assume its a repair to a service
shop.  Ideas? Recommendations for repair shops?  I haven't been
getting
a response from the Solar Cowboyz in Grass Valley.

Thanks,

Bill

Feather River Solar Electric
Bill Battagin, Owner
4291 Nelson St.
Taylorsville, CA 95983
530.284.7849
CA Lic 874049
solar powered since 1982




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Re: [RE-wrenches] Generator recommendation request

2021-10-18 Thread Luke Christy

Allan,
I would not hesitate to use either the Kohler 12RES or the 14RES. 
I have many of the 14RES units out in the field and to this date they have been 
the most consistently reliable generators out of the various brands I’ve used 
over the years (Generac, Cummins-Onan and others). Several customers with 14RES 
units  have over 2000 hrs, and one 14RES in a very particular situation that 
demand high runtime has just clocked 5,000 hours with no major repairs. For a 
genset powered by a 3600 rpm engine I find that amazing. Anyway, just my two 
cents. I don’t think you’ll go too far wrong with Kohler. 



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> On Oct 15, 2021, at 4:37 PM, Sindelar Solar  wrote:
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> Wrenches,
> Generators have become a moving target, especially for off grid applications. 
> Most are set up for grid backup, and I'm assuming that many may simply be 
> unavailable, given that half of most everything else is on back-order with no 
> expected delivery date... I'm seldom asked to recommend a generator these 
> days, but I am today, so I'm requesting recommendations from other off 
> grid-savvy Wrenches, please.
> 
> I'm working with an older (2014?) existing dual Outback VFX3524 system which 
> will be upgraded to dual VFXR-3648s to work with a 16kW Blue Ion LiFP battery 
> bank; 4kW array with upgrade infrastructure in place to later add 2kW more if 
> needed. Once the upgrade is done I expect relatively little generator 
> runtime. The customer would prefer LP fuel and 2-wire start (for remote 
> control). Pretty much any well-regarded model in the 8-14 kW @240 VAC rating 
> range could work.
> 
> Thank you for your suggestions!
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Trace 4024 cutting out

2021-10-18 Thread Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar

Hi Bill,

Sounds like an intermittent field effect transistor in the power bridge. I
use the Schneider XW guy up in Oregon but I do not know if he works on the
old Trace gear. If you strike out, drop me an email and I will find it as I
never need him.

 They do not last forever and there are a ton of them with various issues
on ebay so beware. I just went thru a few with a die-hard old client that
would not modernize and bought old spares. He ended up paying me alot of
hours for me to say I told you so. It was a really nice drive 4 times

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On Sun, 17 Oct 2021 21:11:04 -0700, frenergy  wrote:
> Hey Folks,
> 
>              I haven't seen this one until yesterday.  Customer with a
> 20 year old Trace SW4024 called.  I've been servicing this reliable 
> system for the last 8 years.  He said after a delay the power shuts off 
> when a moderate load comes on after 5-15 seconds, then back on, then 
> off.  Light loads no problem, the power stays on.  The inverter 
> stays on the entire time (yellow light and that famous audio buzz) but I

> hear a relay? inside the left side of the wiring section with each 
> change of on-off, off-on state. I assume its a repair to a service 
> shop.  Ideas? Recommendations for repair shops?  I haven't been getting 
> a response from the Solar Cowboyz in Grass Valley.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Bill
> 
> Feather River Solar Electric
> Bill Battagin, Owner
> 4291 Nelson St.
> Taylorsville, CA 95983
> 530.284.7849
> CA Lic 874049
> solar powered since 1982
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Trace 4024 cutting out

2021-10-18 Thread Jerry Shafer

Look at the batteries, use a meter right at the bolts going in to the
inverter, sounds like low voltage cut out.

On Sun, Oct 17, 2021, 9:07 PM frenergy  wrote:

> Hey Folks,
>
>  I haven't seen this one until yesterday.  Customer with a
> 20 year old Trace SW4024 called.  I've been servicing this reliable
> system for the last 8 years.  He said after a delay the power shuts off
> when a moderate load comes on after 5-15 seconds, then back on, then
> off.  Light loads no problem, the power stays on.  The inverter
> stays on the entire time (yellow light and that famous audio buzz) but I
> hear a relay? inside the left side of the wiring section with each
> change of on-off, off-on state. I assume its a repair to a service
> shop.  Ideas? Recommendations for repair shops?  I haven't been getting
> a response from the Solar Cowboyz in Grass Valley.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
>
> Feather River Solar Electric
> Bill Battagin, Owner
> 4291 Nelson St.
> Taylorsville, CA 95983
> 530.284.7849
> CA Lic 874049
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Trace 4024 cutting out

2021-10-18 Thread Lloyd Hoffstatter

Bill,
Craig Wilburn at Phantom Power Service, 425-501-7280, rebuilt a couple of 
SW4024 boards
for me about 2 years ago, reasonable price and very helpful instructions and 
photos.

Best regards,
Lloyd

Lloyd Hoffstatter
Sunstruck Consulting
845-657-8132

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Subject: [RE-wrenches] Trace 4024 cutting out

Hey Folks,

 I haven't seen this one until yesterday.  Customer with a
20 year old Trace SW4024 called.  I've been servicing this reliable
system for the last 8 years.  He said after a delay the power shuts off
when a moderate load comes on after 5-15 seconds, then back on, then
off.  Light loads no problem, the power stays on.  The inverter
stays on the entire time (yellow light and that famous audio buzz) but I
hear a relay? inside the left side of the wiring section with each
change of on-off, off-on state. I assume its a repair to a service
shop.  Ideas? Recommendations for repair shops?  I haven't been getting
a response from the Solar Cowboyz in Grass Valley.

Thanks,

Bill

Feather River Solar Electric
Bill Battagin, Owner
4291 Nelson St.
Taylorsville, CA 95983
530.284.7849
CA Lic 874049
solar powered since 1982


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Re: [RE-wrenches] Trace 4024 cutting out

2021-10-18 Thread Chris Worcester

I saw this once on a system I was called out to diagnose. a loose battery cable 
bolt was the culprit. It worked under a low draw of current, then cut out as 
the current rose, melted the battery lug severely by the time I saw it. Chris 
Worcester chris@solarwindworks.com530-448-9692Sent from my Samsung Galaxy s9.
 Original message From: frenergy  Date: 
10/17/21  9:08 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Subject: 
[RE-wrenches] Trace 4024 cutting out Hey Folks,             I haven't seen this 
one until yesterday.  Customer with a 20 year old Trace SW4024 called.  I've 
been servicing this reliable system for the last 8 years.  He said after a 
delay the power shuts off when a moderate load comes on after 5-15 seconds, 
then back on, then off.  Light loads no problem, the power stays on.  The 
inverter stays on the entire time (yellow light and that famous audio buzz) but 
I hear a relay? inside the left side of the wiring section with each change of 
on-off, off-on state. I assume its a repair to a service shop.  Ideas? 
Recommendations for repair shops?  I haven't been getting a response from the 
Solar Cowboyz in Grass Valley.Thanks,BillFeather River Solar ElectricBill 
Battagin, Owner4291 Nelson St.Taylorsville, CA 95983530.284.7849CA Lic 
874049solar powered since 1982-- This email has been checked for viruses by 
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