Re: [RE-wrenches] GSLC work-arounds

[Kevin Pegg]

Thanks.

I don't know exactly the reasons for the comm cable shielding, as that happened 
after my main involvement. I do know during initial product testing with the 
earliest firmware there was challenges with keeping Xanbus communication 
network stable in the noisy RF environments inverters live in. Subsequent 
firmware updates improved that dramatically.

Kevin

From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf 
Of jay
Sent: October-12-16 5:34 PM
To: RE-wrenches 
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] GSLC work-arounds

HI Kevin,

Many thanks.  The PDP is the best box out there.
Easy to work in.  Will handle 4 CC, 3 inverters.
And as many have requested it uses large Airpax breakers for the DC and QOU for 
the AC.

One question on that, what was the thinking about having to put the comm cable 
in the shielded trays?
No one else does that?

Thanks
jay
peltz power
On Oct 12, 2016, at 5:28 PM, Kevin Pegg 
mailto:kp...@energyalternatives.ca>> wrote:

I am a big fan of the Schneider XW system, and the XW Power Distribution Panel. 
Full disclosure - I helped design it. The original design was this tiny cramped 
thing and all of us in the design advisory team said 'make it big'. We 
generally go with external bypass assemblies for configurations more than 2 
inverters, using a more conventional manual transfer switch.

SMA deployments, when coupled with the Multi-Cluster enclosure and some sheet 
metal trays works quite well. I've not yet used Midnite's solution for SMA 
inverter installs.

Kevin

From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf 
Of William Miller
Sent: October-12-16 10:37 AM
To: RE-wrenches 
mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org>>
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] GSLC work-arounds

Kevin:

I am curious, what brand would you prefer over the Radian that has wiring 
cabinet design that is “safe and easy to work on”?

I hope everyone understands I generally like the GSLC and the Radian line.  The 
Radian BOS available is superior to that of most other brands, the Sunny Island 
line, for example, which has no BOS at all.  With some intelligent design and a 
few tips and tricks, the Radian can make a very nice install.

William

PS:  I am increasingly excited to try the Midnite MNDC15.  Although it has the 
same problem with back-wired breakers, it allows one to move all PV disconnects 
to a point adjacent to the charge controllers.  This removes the last breaker 
froth GSLC other than the inverter breakers.

Wm


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From: RE-wrenches 
[mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org<mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org>]
 On Behalf Of Kevin Pegg
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 10:15 AM
To: RE-wrenches 
mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org>>
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] GSLC work-arounds

Thank you very much for sharing this. Reinforces my avoidance of the Outback 
Radian line. Given there are other products on the market that perform the same 
functions, with the added bonus of wiring cabinet design that is actually safe 
and easy to work on without many hrs of re-design work, I don't see any 
advantages to this product line.

Kevin

From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf 
Of William Miller
Sent: October-11-16 2:07 PM
To: RE-wrenches 
mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org>>
Subject: [RE-wrenches] GSLC work-arounds

Friends:

We resolved our web authoring problem and threw together a little page to 
illustrate some of the issues we have with the GSLC.  If anyone is interested, 
direct your browser to:

http://www.millersolar.com/MillerSolar/case_studies/GSLC/GSLC.html

I hope the time and effort I put into these web pages is helpful to someone out 
there.  I always try to give back to the industry by sharing some of my trade 
secrets.

Sincerely,

William



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Re: [RE-wrenches] GSLC work-arounds

[jay]

HI Kevin,

Many thanks.  The PDP is the best box out there.  
Easy to work in.  Will handle 4 CC, 3 inverters.
And as many have requested it uses large Airpax breakers for the DC and QOU for 
the AC.

One question on that, what was the thinking about having to put the comm cable 
in the shielded trays?
No one else does that?

Thanks
jay
peltz power
> On Oct 12, 2016, at 5:28 PM, Kevin Pegg  wrote:
> 
> I am a big fan of the Schneider XW system, and the XW Power Distribution 
> Panel. Full disclosure - I helped design it. The original design was this 
> tiny cramped thing and all of us in the design advisory team said 'make it 
> big'. We generally go with external bypass assemblies for configurations more 
> than 2 inverters, using a more conventional manual transfer switch.
>  
> SMA deployments, when coupled with the Multi-Cluster enclosure and some sheet 
> metal trays works quite well. I've not yet used Midnite's solution for SMA 
> inverter installs.
>  
> Kevin
>  
> From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org 
> <mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org>] On Behalf Of William 
> Miller
> Sent: October-12-16 10:37 AM
> To: RE-wrenches  <mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org>>
> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] GSLC work-arounds
>  
> Kevin:
>  
> I am curious, what brand would you prefer over the Radian that has wiring 
> cabinet design that is “safe and easy to work on”?
>  
> I hope everyone understands I generally like the GSLC and the Radian line.  
> The Radian BOS available is superior to that of most other brands, the Sunny 
> Island line, for example, which has no BOS at all.  With some intelligent 
> design and a few tips and tricks, the Radian can make a very nice install.
>  
> William
>  
> PS:  I am increasingly excited to try the Midnite MNDC15.  Although it has 
> the same problem with back-wired breakers, it allows one to move all PV 
> disconnects to a point adjacent to the charge controllers.  This removes the 
> last breaker froth GSLC other than the inverter breakers.
>  
> Wm
>  
> 
> Lic 773985
> millersolar.com <http://www.millersolar.com/>
> 805-438-5600
>  
> From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org 
> <mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org>] On Behalf Of Kevin Pegg
> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 10:15 AM
> To: RE-wrenches  <mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org>>
> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] GSLC work-arounds
>  
> Thank you very much for sharing this. Reinforces my avoidance of the Outback 
> Radian line. Given there are other products on the market that perform the 
> same functions, with the added bonus of wiring cabinet design that is 
> actually safe and easy to work on without many hrs of re-design work, I don't 
> see any advantages to this product line.
>  
> Kevin
>  
> From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org 
> <mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org>] On Behalf Of William 
> Miller
> Sent: October-11-16 2:07 PM
> To: RE-wrenches  <mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org>>
> Subject: [RE-wrenches] GSLC work-arounds
>  
> Friends:
>  
> We resolved our web authoring problem and threw together a little page to 
> illustrate some of the issues we have with the GSLC.  If anyone is 
> interested, direct your browser to: 
>  
> http://www.millersolar.com/MillerSolar/case_studies/GSLC/GSLC.html 
> <http://www.millersolar.com/MillerSolar/case_studies/GSLC/GSLC.html>
>  
> I hope the time and effort I put into these web pages is helpful to someone 
> out there.  I always try to give back to the industry by sharing some of my 
> trade secrets.
>  
> Sincerely,
>  
> William
>  
>  
> 
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Re: [RE-wrenches] GSLC work-arounds

[Kevin Pegg]

I am a big fan of the Schneider XW system, and the XW Power Distribution Panel. 
Full disclosure - I helped design it. The original design was this tiny cramped 
thing and all of us in the design advisory team said 'make it big'. We 
generally go with external bypass assemblies for configurations more than 2 
inverters, using a more conventional manual transfer switch.

SMA deployments, when coupled with the Multi-Cluster enclosure and some sheet 
metal trays works quite well. I've not yet used Midnite's solution for SMA 
inverter installs.

Kevin

From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf 
Of William Miller
Sent: October-12-16 10:37 AM
To: RE-wrenches 
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] GSLC work-arounds

Kevin:

I am curious, what brand would you prefer over the Radian that has wiring 
cabinet design that is “safe and easy to work on”?

I hope everyone understands I generally like the GSLC and the Radian line.  The 
Radian BOS available is superior to that of most other brands, the Sunny Island 
line, for example, which has no BOS at all.  With some intelligent design and a 
few tips and tricks, the Radian can make a very nice install.

William

PS:  I am increasingly excited to try the Midnite MNDC15.  Although it has the 
same problem with back-wired breakers, it allows one to move all PV disconnects 
to a point adjacent to the charge controllers.  This removes the last breaker 
froth GSLC other than the inverter breakers.

Wm

[Gradient Cap_mini]
Lic 773985
millersolar.com<http://www.millersolar.com/>
805-438-5600

From: RE-wrenches 
[mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org<mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org>]
 On Behalf Of Kevin Pegg
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 10:15 AM
To: RE-wrenches 
mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org>>
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] GSLC work-arounds

Thank you very much for sharing this. Reinforces my avoidance of the Outback 
Radian line. Given there are other products on the market that perform the same 
functions, with the added bonus of wiring cabinet design that is actually safe 
and easy to work on without many hrs of re-design work, I don't see any 
advantages to this product line.

Kevin

From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf 
Of William Miller
Sent: October-11-16 2:07 PM
To: RE-wrenches 
mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org>>
Subject: [RE-wrenches] GSLC work-arounds

Friends:

We resolved our web authoring problem and threw together a little page to 
illustrate some of the issues we have with the GSLC.  If anyone is interested, 
direct your browser to:

http://www.millersolar.com/MillerSolar/case_studies/GSLC/GSLC.html

I hope the time and effort I put into these web pages is helpful to someone out 
there.  I always try to give back to the industry by sharing some of my trade 
secrets.

Sincerely,

William


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Re: [RE-wrenches] GSLC work-arounds

[jay]

HI William,

The SI does indeed have a BOS.  Made by midnite solar which worked with SMA to 
produce it.

Jay
Peltz Power
> On Oct 12, 2016, at 10:36 AM, William Miller  wrote:
> 
> Kevin:
>  
> I am curious, what brand would you prefer over the Radian that has wiring 
> cabinet design that is “safe and easy to work on”?
>  
> I hope everyone understands I generally like the GSLC and the Radian line.  
> The Radian BOS available is superior to that of most other brands, the Sunny 
> Island line, for example, which has no BOS at all.  With some intelligent 
> design and a few tips and tricks, the Radian can make a very nice install.
>  
> William
>  
> PS:  I am increasingly excited to try the Midnite MNDC15.  Although it has 
> the same problem with back-wired breakers, it allows one to move all PV 
> disconnects to a point adjacent to the charge controllers.  This removes the 
> last breaker froth GSLC other than the inverter breakers.
>  
> Wm
>  
> 
> Lic 773985
> millersolar.com <http://www.millersolar.com/>
> 805-438-5600
>  
> From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org 
> <mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org>] On Behalf Of Kevin Pegg
> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 10:15 AM
> To: RE-wrenches  <mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org>>
> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] GSLC work-arounds
>  
> Thank you very much for sharing this. Reinforces my avoidance of the Outback 
> Radian line. Given there are other products on the market that perform the 
> same functions, with the added bonus of wiring cabinet design that is 
> actually safe and easy to work on without many hrs of re-design work, I don't 
> see any advantages to this product line.
>  
> Kevin
>  
> From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org 
> <mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org>] On Behalf Of William 
> Miller
> Sent: October-11-16 2:07 PM
> To: RE-wrenches  <mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org>>
> Subject: [RE-wrenches] GSLC work-arounds
>  
> Friends:
>  
> We resolved our web authoring problem and threw together a little page to 
> illustrate some of the issues we have with the GSLC.  If anyone is 
> interested, direct your browser to: 
>  
> http://www.millersolar.com/MillerSolar/case_studies/GSLC/GSLC.html 
> <http://www.millersolar.com/MillerSolar/case_studies/GSLC/GSLC.html>
>  
> I hope the time and effort I put into these web pages is helpful to someone 
> out there.  I always try to give back to the industry by sharing some of my 
> trade secrets.
>  
> Sincerely,
>  
> William
>  
>  
> 
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Re: [RE-wrenches] GSLC work-arounds

[William Miller]

Kevin:



I am curious, what brand would you prefer over the Radian that has wiring
cabinet design that is “safe and easy to work on”?



I hope everyone understands I generally like the GSLC and the Radian line.
The Radian BOS available is superior to that of most other brands, the
Sunny Island line, for example, which has no BOS at all.  With some
intelligent design and a few tips and tricks, the Radian can make a very
nice install.



William



PS:  I am increasingly excited to try the Midnite MNDC15.  Although it has
the same problem with back-wired breakers, it allows one to move all PV
disconnects to a point adjacent to the charge controllers.  This removes
the last breaker froth GSLC other than the inverter breakers.



Wm



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*From:* RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] *On
Behalf Of *Kevin Pegg
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 12, 2016 10:15 AM
*To:* RE-wrenches 
*Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] GSLC work-arounds



Thank you very much for sharing this. Reinforces my avoidance of the
Outback Radian line. Given there are other products on the market that
perform the same functions, with the added bonus of wiring cabinet design
that is actually safe and easy to work on without many hrs of re-design
work, I don't see any advantages to this product line.



Kevin



*From:* RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org
] *On Behalf Of *William Miller
*Sent:* October-11-16 2:07 PM
*To:* RE-wrenches 
*Subject:* [RE-wrenches] GSLC work-arounds



Friends:



We resolved our web authoring problem and threw together a little page to
illustrate some of the issues we have with the GSLC.  If anyone is
interested, direct your browser to:



http://www.millersolar.com/MillerSolar/case_studies/GSLC/GSLC.html



I hope the time and effort I put into these web pages is helpful to someone
out there.  I always try to give back to the industry by sharing some of my
trade secrets.



Sincerely,



William





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Re: [RE-wrenches] GSLC work-arounds

[Kevin Pegg]

Thank you very much for sharing this. Reinforces my avoidance of the Outback 
Radian line. Given there are other products on the market that perform the same 
functions, with the added bonus of wiring cabinet design that is actually safe 
and easy to work on without many hrs of re-design work, I don't see any 
advantages to this product line.

Kevin

From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf 
Of William Miller
Sent: October-11-16 2:07 PM
To: RE-wrenches 
Subject: [RE-wrenches] GSLC work-arounds

Friends:

We resolved our web authoring problem and threw together a little page to 
illustrate some of the issues we have with the GSLC.  If anyone is interested, 
direct your browser to:

http://www.millersolar.com/MillerSolar/case_studies/GSLC/GSLC.html

I hope the time and effort I put into these web pages is helpful to someone out 
there.  I always try to give back to the industry by sharing some of my trade 
secrets.

Sincerely,

William


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Re: [RE-wrenches] GSLC work-arounds

[Ray Walters]

Nice work William,  thanks for posting all this info.  That issue with 
mounting the Mate 3 is just ridiculous,  I totally agree they need to 
make an adapter to interface with regular boxes.  They can sell it 
separately.
In the 90s it was understood we had to fab our own solutions, but at 
this point in solar history, we really should have better off the shelf 
solutions for standard projects.


R.Ray Walters
CTO, Solarray, Inc
Nabcep Certified PV Installer,
Licensed Master Electrician
Solar Design Engineer
303 505-8760

On 10/11/2016 3:07 PM, William Miller wrote:


Friends:

We resolved our web authoring problem and threw together a little page 
to illustrate some of the issues we have with the GSLC.  If anyone is 
interested, direct your browser to:


http://www.millersolar.com/MillerSolar/case_studies/GSLC/GSLC.html

I hope the time and effort I put into these web pages is helpful to 
someone out there.  I always try to give back to the industry by 
sharing some of my trade secrets.


Sincerely,

William

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Re: [RE-wrenches] GSLC work-arounds

[Chris Mason]

I forwarded your page to the Outback engineering team responsible for the
Radian, hopefully your detailed analysis will give them some food for
thought. I tend to agree with you, I would always use an external AC panel.

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 5:07 PM, William Miller 
wrote:

> Friends:
>
>
>
> We resolved our web authoring problem and threw together a little page to
> illustrate some of the issues we have with the GSLC.  If anyone is
> interested, direct your browser to:
>
>
>
> http://www.millersolar.com/MillerSolar/case_studies/GSLC/GSLC.html
>
>
>
> I hope the time and effort I put into these web pages is helpful to
> someone out there.  I always try to give back to the industry by sharing
> some of my trade secrets.
>
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[RE-wrenches] GSLC work-arounds

[William Miller]

Friends:



We resolved our web authoring problem and threw together a little page to
illustrate some of the issues we have with the GSLC.  If anyone is
interested, direct your browser to:



http://www.millersolar.com/MillerSolar/case_studies/GSLC/GSLC.html



I hope the time and effort I put into these web pages is helpful to someone
out there.  I always try to give back to the industry by sharing some of my
trade secrets.



Sincerely,



William





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