Re: [RE-wrenches] Optimal 200 or 225 Amp Square D MSP All-in-One meter for CT Clamps

2016-02-18 Thread Tump 
  I just installed this SqD HL Combination Service entrance/ meter combo Part # 
RC816D200CH.  Gregory, I sent you photos (ck yer junk box) anyone else 
interested in photos please contact me off list. TUMP
On Feb 17, 2016, at 6:15 PM, Gregory Seelhorst wrote:

> Thank you for your contributions.  The meter/main Combo is the preferred 
> solution here.   I do like the Milbank solution with longer Feeders. 
> 
> Has anyone used the SC816F200PS Square D all-in-one? 
> Square D (Schneider) is advertising this as a "Homeline Solar-ready 
> Combination Service Entrance" where it can accomodate CTs.
> 
> Greg Seelhorst
> NABCEP PV Installation Professional #092907-16
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Dave Tedeyan  wrote:
> It is not Square D, but a Milbank U5168-XTL-200 would do the trick.
> 
> Cheers, 
> Dave
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Dave Tedeyan
> Project Engineer
> 
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> 109 S. Albany Street, Ithaca, NY 14850
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> 
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 3:31 PM, Patrick A. Shortell  
> wrote:
> Hi Gregory
> If your installing a new load center
> Try inserting a 2" "C" condulet
> Ahead of the service panel
> I'm assuming pvc conduit from meter to panel
> Install solid core 200:5 ct's while you pull your cable through
> Route the ct leads into the panel along with the phase conductors
> Or if you have a meter main
> Most have bolted buss connections that you can open and if you stagger the 
> ct's and support them with a few cable ties
> That could work
> But
> Your meter probably requires voltage sense and meter power conductors so 
> nippling the meter to the panel might be a better solution just so you don't 
> have to install additional oc protection in the meter main
> Which might be sketchy
> Hope I understood your question
> Pat
> 
> Patrick A. Shortell
> Licensed Master Electrician
> Certified Solar Installer
> 71 Oregon Street
> Long Beach N.Y. 11561
> Www.thesolarstorehouse.com
> 
> 
> On Feb 17, 2016, at 2:29 PM, jerrysgarage01  wrote:
> 
>> Can you get a meter main with only one breaker and then get a distribution 
>> panel and put all all loads there
>> 
>> 
>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S™ III, an AT 4G LTE smartphone
>> 
>> 
>>  Original message 
>> From: Gregory Seelhorst
>> Date:02/17/2016 6:23 AM (GMT-10:00)
>> To: RE-wrenches
>> Subject: [RE-wrenches] Optimal 200 or 225 Amp Square D MSP All-in-One meter  
>> for CT Clamps
>> 
>> Wrenches -
>> 
>> Does anyone know of a good spec for a 200 or 225A Square D Main Service 
>> Panel which has feeders between the meter and Main Disconnect and would be 
>> ideal for 150A CT clamps for monitoring whole house consumption?
>> 
>> I'm finding most MSPs have a short, flat bus between the meter and Main 
>> Disconnect which requires the Rigowski Coil (requiring more expensive and 
>> unreliable hardware).
>> 
>> Thank you for your help in advance.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Greg Seelhorst
>> NABCEP PV Installation Professional #092907-16
>> 
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Optimal 200 or 225 Amp Square D MSP All-in-One meter for CT Clamps

2016-02-18 Thread Nick Soleil 
The Eaton "Solar Power Center" panels are combined meter/main service
panels that can accommodate consumption CTs, if you know the trick.  What
you need to know about those panels is that the main breaker internally
rotates the line conductors, so that line 1 is on the right on the top of
the breaker, but line 2 is on the right on the bottom of the breaker.  This
panel doesn't appear to accommodate consumption monitoring CTs, but if you
install one CT above and one CT below the main breaker it will work.

On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Gregory Seelhorst 
wrote:

> Thank you for your contributions.  The meter/main Combo is the preferred
> solution here.   I do like the Milbank solution with longer Feeders.
>
> Has anyone used the SC816F200PS Square D all-in-one?
> Square D (Schneider) is advertising this as a "Homeline Solar-ready
> Combination Service Entrance" where it can accomodate CTs.
>
> Greg Seelhorst
> NABCEP PV Installation Professional #092907-16
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Dave Tedeyan  wrote:
>
>> It is not Square D, but a Milbank U5168-XTL-200 would do the trick.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> *--*
>>
>>
>> *Dave Tedeyan*
>> *Project Engineer*
>>
>> *Taitem Engineering, PC*
>> 109 S. Albany Street, Ithaca, NY 14850
>> Voice: (607) 277-1118 x121
>> www.taitem.com
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 3:31 PM, Patrick A. Shortell <
>> pshorte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Gregory
>>> If your installing a new load center
>>> Try inserting a 2" "C" condulet
>>> Ahead of the service panel
>>> I'm assuming pvc conduit from meter to panel
>>> Install solid core 200:5 ct's while you pull your cable through
>>> Route the ct leads into the panel along with the phase conductors
>>> Or if you have a meter main
>>> Most have bolted buss connections that you can open and if you stagger
>>> the ct's and support them with a few cable ties
>>> That could work
>>> But
>>> Your meter probably requires voltage sense and meter power conductors so
>>> nippling the meter to the panel might be a better solution just so you
>>> don't have to install additional oc protection in the meter main
>>> Which might be sketchy
>>> Hope I understood your question
>>> Pat
>>>
>>> Patrick A. Shortell
>>> Licensed Master Electrician
>>> Certified Solar Installer
>>> 71 Oregon Street
>>> Long Beach N.Y. 11561
>>> Www.thesolarstorehouse.com 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 17, 2016, at 2:29 PM, jerrysgarage01 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Can you get a meter main with only one breaker and then get a
>>> distribution panel and put all all loads there
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S™ III, an AT 4G LTE smartphone
>>>
>>>
>>>  Original message 
>>> From: Gregory Seelhorst
>>> Date:02/17/2016 6:23 AM (GMT-10:00)
>>> To: RE-wrenches
>>> Subject: [RE-wrenches] Optimal 200 or 225 Amp Square D MSP All-in-One
>>> meter for CT Clamps
>>>
>>> Wrenches -
>>>
>>> Does anyone know of a good spec for a 200 or 225A Square D Main Service
>>> Panel which has feeders between the meter and Main Disconnect and would be
>>> ideal for 150A CT clamps for monitoring whole house consumption?
>>>
>>> I'm finding most MSPs have a short, flat bus between the meter and Main
>>> Disconnect which requires the Rigowski Coil (requiring more expensive and
>>> unreliable hardware).
>>>
>>> Thank you for your help in advance.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Greg Seelhorst
>>> NABCEP PV Installation Professional #092907-16
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Optimal 200 or 225 Amp Square D MSP All-in-One meter for CT Clamps

2016-02-17 Thread Dave Tedeyan 
It is not Square D, but a Milbank U5168-XTL-200 would do the trick.

Cheers,
Dave


*--*


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*Project Engineer*

*Taitem Engineering, PC*
109 S. Albany Street, Ithaca, NY 14850
Voice: (607) 277-1118 x121
www.taitem.com

On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 3:31 PM, Patrick A. Shortell 
wrote:

> Hi Gregory
> If your installing a new load center
> Try inserting a 2" "C" condulet
> Ahead of the service panel
> I'm assuming pvc conduit from meter to panel
> Install solid core 200:5 ct's while you pull your cable through
> Route the ct leads into the panel along with the phase conductors
> Or if you have a meter main
> Most have bolted buss connections that you can open and if you stagger the
> ct's and support them with a few cable ties
> That could work
> But
> Your meter probably requires voltage sense and meter power conductors so
> nippling the meter to the panel might be a better solution just so you
> don't have to install additional oc protection in the meter main
> Which might be sketchy
> Hope I understood your question
> Pat
>
> Patrick A. Shortell
> Licensed Master Electrician
> Certified Solar Installer
> 71 Oregon Street
> Long Beach N.Y. 11561
> Www.thesolarstorehouse.com 
>
>
> On Feb 17, 2016, at 2:29 PM, jerrysgarage01 
> wrote:
>
> Can you get a meter main with only one breaker and then get a distribution
> panel and put all all loads there
>
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S™ III, an AT 4G LTE smartphone
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Gregory Seelhorst
> Date:02/17/2016 6:23 AM (GMT-10:00)
> To: RE-wrenches
> Subject: [RE-wrenches] Optimal 200 or 225 Amp Square D MSP All-in-One
> meter for CT Clamps
>
> Wrenches -
>
> Does anyone know of a good spec for a 200 or 225A Square D Main Service
> Panel which has feeders between the meter and Main Disconnect and would be
> ideal for 150A CT clamps for monitoring whole house consumption?
>
> I'm finding most MSPs have a short, flat bus between the meter and Main
> Disconnect which requires the Rigowski Coil (requiring more expensive and
> unreliable hardware).
>
> Thank you for your help in advance.
>
> Regards,
>
> Greg Seelhorst
> NABCEP PV Installation Professional #092907-16
>
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Optimal 200 or 225 Amp Square D MSP All-in-One meter for CT Clamps

2016-02-17 Thread Patrick A. Shortell 
Hi Gregory
If your installing a new load center
Try inserting a 2" "C" condulet
Ahead of the service panel
I'm assuming pvc conduit from meter to panel
Install solid core 200:5 ct's while you pull your cable through
Route the ct leads into the panel along with the phase conductors
Or if you have a meter main
Most have bolted buss connections that you can open and if you stagger the ct's 
and support them with a few cable ties
That could work
But
Your meter probably requires voltage sense and meter power conductors so 
nippling the meter to the panel might be a better solution just so you don't 
have to install additional oc protection in the meter main
Which might be sketchy
Hope I understood your question
Pat

Patrick A. Shortell
Licensed Master Electrician
Certified Solar Installer
71 Oregon Street
Long Beach N.Y. 11561
Www.thesolarstorehouse.com


> On Feb 17, 2016, at 2:29 PM, jerrysgarage01  wrote:
> 
> Can you get a meter main with only one breaker and then get a distribution 
> panel and put all all loads there
> 
> 
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S™ III, an AT 4G LTE smartphone
> 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Gregory Seelhorst
> Date:02/17/2016 6:23 AM (GMT-10:00)
> To: RE-wrenches
> Subject: [RE-wrenches] Optimal 200 or 225 Amp Square D MSP All-in-One meter   
> for CT Clamps
> 
> Wrenches -
> 
> Does anyone know of a good spec for a 200 or 225A Square D Main Service Panel 
> which has feeders between the meter and Main Disconnect and would be ideal 
> for 150A CT clamps for monitoring whole house consumption?
> 
> I'm finding most MSPs have a short, flat bus between the meter and Main 
> Disconnect which requires the Rigowski Coil (requiring more expensive and 
> unreliable hardware).
> 
> Thank you for your help in advance.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Greg Seelhorst
> NABCEP PV Installation Professional #092907-16
> 
> 
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Optimal 200 or 225 Amp Square D MSP All-in-One meter for CT Clamps

2016-02-17 Thread jerrysgarage01 
Can you get a meter main with only one breaker and then get a distribution 
panel and put all all loads there


Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S™ III, an AT 4G LTE smartphone

 Original message From: Gregory Seelhorst 
 Date:02/17/2016  6:23 AM  (GMT-10:00) 
To: RE-wrenches  
Subject: [RE-wrenches] Optimal 200 or 225 Amp Square D MSP 
All-in-One meter for CT Clamps 
Wrenches -

Does anyone know of a good spec for a 200 or 225A Square D Main Service Panel 
which has feeders between the meter and Main Disconnect and would be ideal for 
150A CT clamps for monitoring whole house consumption?

I'm finding most MSPs have a short, flat bus between the meter and Main 
Disconnect which requires the Rigowski Coil (requiring more expensive and 
unreliable hardware).

Thank you for your help in advance.

Regards,

Greg Seelhorst
NABCEP PV Installation Professional #092907-16


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[RE-wrenches] Optimal 200 or 225 Amp Square D MSP All-in-One meter for CT Clamps

2016-02-17 Thread Gregory Seelhorst 
Wrenches -

Does anyone know of a good spec for a 200 or 225A Square D Main Service
Panel which has feeders between the meter and Main Disconnect and would be
ideal for 150A CT clamps for monitoring whole house consumption?

I'm finding most MSPs have a short, flat bus between the meter and Main
Disconnect which requires the Rigowski Coil (requiring more expensive and
unreliable hardware).

Thank you for your help in advance.

Regards,

Greg Seelhorst
NABCEP PV Installation Professional #092907-16
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