Wokflow for dynamically generated page

2008-11-19 Thread RDNewbee

I have dynamically generated pages that are driven from external
database - therefor there are no actual pages. The fields in database
are modified through FCKEditor and asp. No standard fields are used or
referenced to the database fields. In result of this the pages are not
placed in draft status. However I need to have these pages to be
submitted to the workflow. Does anyone have any idea how it can be
accomplished?
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Re: RedDot gripes

2008-11-19 Thread Adam Boyle
If you weren't opposed to writing positive articles about RedDot, your blog
would probably be really great and I'd read it regularly.
If you used your real name, it would have a legitimacy to it that your
anonymous blog can never have.

Adam Boyle

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 7:28 PM, Gavin Cope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I've been reading this post with great interest. Not to discount anything
> you've said because they're all valid points but nothing you've said in your
> blog is a big secret. Any potential customer that talks to a reference site
> will more than likely find about the cons of RedDot. Indeed I know from
> experience that we have lost bids to other CMS products due to a customer's
> requirements around say usability. So the information is there for any
> company that does it's due diligence. On the flip side, other customers
> "love" the product and have been using it for years, it meets their needs
> and the misgivings of the product are either small enough not to worry about
> or there are sufficient work arounds. So in a nutshell, I agree with what
> you're saying in your blog in principle. I would also encourage you to keep
> writing your blog because the more information gets out there, the more
> likely we'll reach a critical mass where a few interested people snowball
> into a caring, sharing developer community. I would however also encourage
> you to write some articles on what you LIKE about RedDot as well. So without
> sounding like a sales person, I think your blog would benefit from a
> balanced dicussion because at the end of the day, you're positive and
> negative opinions as a customer TO a potential customer mean more than any
> sales person's spiel.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gavin
>
> 2008/11/20 [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>> I am blogging about some of the negative sides of RedDot to counter
>> balance the positives put forward by, among others, the RedDot sales
>> team themselves. I would not suggest anyone take either my or their
>> comments in isolation. I'm focussing on RedDot because that is the CMS
>> I've been forced to work with. I would be utterly astounded if an
>> existing RedDot customer read my blog and decided to stop using the
>> software purely based on its content. I merely wish to give all the
>> relevant information for potential customers, who have no opportunity
>> to trial the software themselves, and no other means of evaluating it.
>>
>> On Nov 19, 8:38 pm, "Adam Boyle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Blogging exclusively about bugs and flaws isn't helpful to those who
>> might
>> > be evaluating RedDot.
>> >
>> > It's not fair to write about only the negative stuff without also
>> mentioning
>> > some of the positive things that RedDot does too.
>> >
>> > If you were honestly trying to foster a debate about what features a CMS
>> > should have, then why did you name your blog RedDotGripes?
>> >
>> > Isn't it more honest to say that you created your blog in the hopes that
>> it
>> > will pursuade current and/or potential RedDot customers against using
>> > RedDot?
>> >
>> > Isn't that the real purpose of your blog?
>> >
>> > Adam
>> >
>> > On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 2:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <
>>  >
>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> > > I'm trying to publicise some bugs, design flaws, and usability issues
>> > > relating to RedDot, for those who might be evaluating it. I'm trying
>> > > to foster debate about what kinds of features a modern day CMS needs
>> > > and how they might be implemented. I'm trying to gauge public opinion
>> > > - to what extent am I on my own here, and how much do others share my
>> > > thoughts? I'm trying to let off some steam.
>> >
>> > > On Nov 19, 7:15 pm, "Adam Boyle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > > > I don't think you've really answered Morgan's first question.
>> >
>> > > > You're interested in the comments, but what are you trying to
>> achieve
>> > > with
>> > > > your blog?
>> >
>> > > > What purpose do you hope the comments generated by your blog will
>> serve?
>> >
>> > > > Adam
>> >
>> > > > On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 2:00 PM, sayno more <
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > > wrote:
>> > > > > 1. I'm interested in the comments, as evidenced - I think - by my
>> > > responses
>> > > > > to them. I'd like responses to my blog posts which are not "how do
>> I do
>> > > > > this" type questions, which would obviously not be appropriate in
>> a
>> > > blog
>> > > > > format, by critical evaluations of a piece of software, and its
>> design.
>> >
>> > > > > 2. I'll be interested to see how many of the gripes have been, or
>> will
>> > > be,
>> > > > > addressed. As you point out, some of these gripes are genuine
>> flaws of
>> > > the
>> > > > > software as it stands right now, and will be useful information
>> for
>> > > those
>> > > > > who are considering adopting RedDot for their website.
>> >
>> > > > > 3. This sounds quite positive, so we'll all wait and see what the
>> > > outcome
>> > > > > is.
>> >
>> > > > 

Re: File Upload from a form:

2008-11-19 Thread bushland25

If I were to do it, I would add an ASP.NET project to the RedDot
project and create the upload functionality in ASP.NET. They have some
built-in controls that let you easily upload files and tutorials are
available in a lot of places.

On Nov 19, 1:49 pm, mave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Can I upload a file to the Reddot CMS via a webform? If yes can you
> please let me know how to do that?
>
> Thanks,
> Mave.
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Re: RedDot gripes

2008-11-19 Thread Gavin Cope
I've been reading this post with great interest. Not to discount anything
you've said because they're all valid points but nothing you've said in your
blog is a big secret. Any potential customer that talks to a reference site
will more than likely find about the cons of RedDot. Indeed I know from
experience that we have lost bids to other CMS products due to a customer's
requirements around say usability. So the information is there for any
company that does it's due diligence. On the flip side, other customers
"love" the product and have been using it for years, it meets their needs
and the misgivings of the product are either small enough not to worry about
or there are sufficient work arounds.So in a nutshell, I agree with what
you're saying in your blog in principle. I would also encourage you to keep
writing your blog because the more information gets out there, the more
likely we'll reach a critical mass where a few interested people snowball
into a caring, sharing developer community. I would however also encourage
you to write some articles on what you LIKE about RedDot as well. So without
sounding like a sales person, I think your blog would benefit from a
balanced dicussion because at the end of the day, you're positive and
negative opinions as a customer TO a potential customer mean more than any
sales person's spiel.

Cheers,

Gavin

2008/11/20 [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>
> I am blogging about some of the negative sides of RedDot to counter
> balance the positives put forward by, among others, the RedDot sales
> team themselves. I would not suggest anyone take either my or their
> comments in isolation. I'm focussing on RedDot because that is the CMS
> I've been forced to work with. I would be utterly astounded if an
> existing RedDot customer read my blog and decided to stop using the
> software purely based on its content. I merely wish to give all the
> relevant information for potential customers, who have no opportunity
> to trial the software themselves, and no other means of evaluating it.
>
> On Nov 19, 8:38 pm, "Adam Boyle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Blogging exclusively about bugs and flaws isn't helpful to those who
> might
> > be evaluating RedDot.
> >
> > It's not fair to write about only the negative stuff without also
> mentioning
> > some of the positive things that RedDot does too.
> >
> > If you were honestly trying to foster a debate about what features a CMS
> > should have, then why did you name your blog RedDotGripes?
> >
> > Isn't it more honest to say that you created your blog in the hopes that
> it
> > will pursuade current and/or potential RedDot customers against using
> > RedDot?
> >
> > Isn't that the real purpose of your blog?
> >
> > Adam
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 2:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm trying to publicise some bugs, design flaws, and usability issues
> > > relating to RedDot, for those who might be evaluating it. I'm trying
> > > to foster debate about what kinds of features a modern day CMS needs
> > > and how they might be implemented. I'm trying to gauge public opinion
> > > - to what extent am I on my own here, and how much do others share my
> > > thoughts? I'm trying to let off some steam.
> >
> > > On Nov 19, 7:15 pm, "Adam Boyle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > I don't think you've really answered Morgan's first question.
> >
> > > > You're interested in the comments, but what are you trying to achieve
> > > with
> > > > your blog?
> >
> > > > What purpose do you hope the comments generated by your blog will
> serve?
> >
> > > > Adam
> >
> > > > On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 2:00 PM, sayno more <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > > > 1. I'm interested in the comments, as evidenced - I think - by my
> > > responses
> > > > > to them. I'd like responses to my blog posts which are not "how do
> I do
> > > > > this" type questions, which would obviously not be appropriate in a
> > > blog
> > > > > format, by critical evaluations of a piece of software, and its
> design.
> >
> > > > > 2. I'll be interested to see how many of the gripes have been, or
> will
> > > be,
> > > > > addressed. As you point out, some of these gripes are genuine flaws
> of
> > > the
> > > > > software as it stands right now, and will be useful information for
> > > those
> > > > > who are considering adopting RedDot for their website.
> >
> > > > > 3. This sounds quite positive, so we'll all wait and see what the
> > > outcome
> > > > > is.
> >
> > > > > 4. I've done just that with a dedicated follow-up post. Thanks.
> >
> > > > > 2008/11/18 theHam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > > > >> Hey [EMAIL PROTECTED],
> >
> > > > >> 1. to clarify what you are trying to achieve with these blog
> posts,
> > > > >> are you attempting to get some assistance and/or information with
> the
> > > > >> issues you are describing? I think from the amount of people that
> have
> > > > >> contributed to this post already that it s

Re: RedDot gripes

2008-11-19 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I am blogging about some of the negative sides of RedDot to counter
balance the positives put forward by, among others, the RedDot sales
team themselves. I would not suggest anyone take either my or their
comments in isolation. I'm focussing on RedDot because that is the CMS
I've been forced to work with. I would be utterly astounded if an
existing RedDot customer read my blog and decided to stop using the
software purely based on its content. I merely wish to give all the
relevant information for potential customers, who have no opportunity
to trial the software themselves, and no other means of evaluating it.

On Nov 19, 8:38 pm, "Adam Boyle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Blogging exclusively about bugs and flaws isn't helpful to those who might
> be evaluating RedDot.
>
> It's not fair to write about only the negative stuff without also mentioning
> some of the positive things that RedDot does too.
>
> If you were honestly trying to foster a debate about what features a CMS
> should have, then why did you name your blog RedDotGripes?
>
> Isn't it more honest to say that you created your blog in the hopes that it
> will pursuade current and/or potential RedDot customers against using
> RedDot?
>
> Isn't that the real purpose of your blog?
>
> Adam
>
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 2:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I'm trying to publicise some bugs, design flaws, and usability issues
> > relating to RedDot, for those who might be evaluating it. I'm trying
> > to foster debate about what kinds of features a modern day CMS needs
> > and how they might be implemented. I'm trying to gauge public opinion
> > - to what extent am I on my own here, and how much do others share my
> > thoughts? I'm trying to let off some steam.
>
> > On Nov 19, 7:15 pm, "Adam Boyle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I don't think you've really answered Morgan's first question.
>
> > > You're interested in the comments, but what are you trying to achieve
> > with
> > > your blog?
>
> > > What purpose do you hope the comments generated by your blog will serve?
>
> > > Adam
>
> > > On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 2:00 PM, sayno more <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > > 1. I'm interested in the comments, as evidenced - I think - by my
> > responses
> > > > to them. I'd like responses to my blog posts which are not "how do I do
> > > > this" type questions, which would obviously not be appropriate in a
> > blog
> > > > format, by critical evaluations of a piece of software, and its design.
>
> > > > 2. I'll be interested to see how many of the gripes have been, or will
> > be,
> > > > addressed. As you point out, some of these gripes are genuine flaws of
> > the
> > > > software as it stands right now, and will be useful information for
> > those
> > > > who are considering adopting RedDot for their website.
>
> > > > 3. This sounds quite positive, so we'll all wait and see what the
> > outcome
> > > > is.
>
> > > > 4. I've done just that with a dedicated follow-up post. Thanks.
>
> > > > 2008/11/18 theHam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > > >> Hey [EMAIL PROTECTED],
>
> > > >> 1. to clarify what you are trying to achieve with these blog posts,
> > > >> are you attempting to get some assistance and/or information with the
> > > >> issues you are describing? I think from the amount of people that have
> > > >> contributed to this post already that it should be demonstrated that
> > > >> there are people here looking to help you if you want it. Or from the
> > > >> sounds of your comment "I cannot see how I could possibly get a
> > > >> positive outcome from this software, given the flaws that, IMO, are
> > > >> pretty fundamental" have you made a decision and will not be
> > > >> interested in the comments from people here? If you could let everyone
> > > >> be aware of your position i think it will help the more passionate
> > > >> people here and hopefully stop this becoming an unproductive flame war
> > > >> (as these things types of threads tend to become)
>
> > > >> 2. "I would love it if the RedDot engineers took some notice of these
> > > >> comments." RedDot have taken notice of these comments. The next
> > > >> version of  reddot coming out will be addressing your gripe #1 as the
> > > >> text editor is being replaced. Gripe #2 is being addressed (i believe
> > > >> around may next year) with a cms frontend rewrite based on usability
> > > >> fundamentals. Yes these have not been released yet and do not address
> > > >> your issues "right now" but based on my previous comment other gripes
> > > >> like the ones you have been mentioned have in the past been
> > > >> progressively acknowledged and addressed - there is hope.
>
> > > >> 3. You asked earlier whether reddot would charge for upgrades, I'm
> > > >> unaware of what region you are from but from ours if you are up to
> > > >> date with your software support and maintenance upgrades are generally
> > > >> provided under those costs (N.B. this may be different reg

File Upload from a form:

2008-11-19 Thread mave

Hi,

Can I upload a file to the Reddot CMS via a webform? If yes can you
please let me know how to do that?

Thanks,
Mave.
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Re: option list basic question

2008-11-19 Thread AnthonyFusepoint

Hi,

an option list is just a kind of placeholder and It does what its name
means.
You can edit different values, hide and show for your example.

Anthony

On 19 nov, 15:30, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When someone says "create an option list" how do I do that? For
> instance I am trying to implement 
> this:http://blog.markusgiesen.de/2008/07/27/playing-peek-a-boo-hiding-page...
>
> but my option list isn't working. What would an option list look like
> for this?
>
> thanks for helping
>
> James
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Re: RedDot gripes

2008-11-19 Thread markus giesen

by the way: I like it that we discuss it here, that shows, that there
is a need for discussions :)


On 19 Nov., 20:29, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> I'm trying to publicise some bugs, design flaws, and usability issues
> relating to RedDot, for those who might be evaluating it. I'm trying
> to foster debate about what kinds of features a modern day CMS needs
> and how they might be implemented. I'm trying to gauge public opinion
> - to what extent am I on my own here, and how much do others share my
> thoughts? I'm trying to let off some steam.
>
> On Nov 19, 7:15 pm, "Adam Boyle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I don't think you've really answered Morgan's first question.
>
> > You're interested in the comments, but what are you trying to achieve with
> > your blog?
>
> > What purpose do you hope the comments generated by your blog will serve?
>
> > Adam
>
> > On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 2:00 PM, sayno more <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > 1. I'm interested in the comments, as evidenced - I think - by my 
> > > responses
> > > to them. I'd like responses to my blog posts which are not "how do I do
> > > this" type questions, which would obviously not be appropriate in a blog
> > > format, by critical evaluations of a piece of software, and its design.
>
> > > 2. I'll be interested to see how many of the gripes have been, or will be,
> > > addressed. As you point out, some of these gripes are genuine flaws of the
> > > software as it stands right now, and will be useful information for those
> > > who are considering adopting RedDot for their website.
>
> > > 3. This sounds quite positive, so we'll all wait and see what the outcome
> > > is.
>
> > > 4. I've done just that with a dedicated follow-up post. Thanks.
>
> > > 2008/11/18 theHam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > >> Hey [EMAIL PROTECTED],
>
> > >> 1. to clarify what you are trying to achieve with these blog posts,
> > >> are you attempting to get some assistance and/or information with the
> > >> issues you are describing? I think from the amount of people that have
> > >> contributed to this post already that it should be demonstrated that
> > >> there are people here looking to help you if you want it. Or from the
> > >> sounds of your comment "I cannot see how I could possibly get a
> > >> positive outcome from this software, given the flaws that, IMO, are
> > >> pretty fundamental" have you made a decision and will not be
> > >> interested in the comments from people here? If you could let everyone
> > >> be aware of your position i think it will help the more passionate
> > >> people here and hopefully stop this becoming an unproductive flame war
> > >> (as these things types of threads tend to become)
>
> > >> 2. "I would love it if the RedDot engineers took some notice of these
> > >> comments." RedDot have taken notice of these comments. The next
> > >> version of  reddot coming out will be addressing your gripe #1 as the
> > >> text editor is being replaced. Gripe #2 is being addressed (i believe
> > >> around may next year) with a cms frontend rewrite based on usability
> > >> fundamentals. Yes these have not been released yet and do not address
> > >> your issues "right now" but based on my previous comment other gripes
> > >> like the ones you have been mentioned have in the past been
> > >> progressively acknowledged and addressed - there is hope.
>
> > >> 3. You asked earlier whether reddot would charge for upgrades, I'm
> > >> unaware of what region you are from but from ours if you are up to
> > >> date with your software support and maintenance upgrades are generally
> > >> provided under those costs (N.B. this may be different region to
> > >> region)
>
> > >> 4. I posted in the comments a reference to this link. If possible
> > >> could you directly edit your post to refer to this discussion? If
> > >> people do not view the comments of the post they may miss the link.
>
> > >> Cheers,
>
> > >>  - Morgan
>
> > >> On Nov 19, 1:01 am, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
> > >>  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> > Thanks for the thoughtful comments, "theham". I'll be dealing with a
> > >> > lot of what you say later on, but - in the meantime:
>
> > >> > "all software is frustrating and flawed" - I think this is either not
> > >> > the case, or an awful indictment of our craft if it is. I personally
> > >> > make regular use of software that is neither flawed nor frustrating;
> > >> > as I alluded to earlier, maybe that should be rephrased as "all
> > >> > complex software is frustrating and flawed". I take the point, of
> > >> > course, that RedDot is not the only culprit.
>
> > >> > "If you can please update your blog post" - you beat me to it -
> > >> > thanks :)
>
> > >> > "Why not try and get a positive outcome from your currently negative
> > >> > experience?" - of course, that would be ideal. I guess I'm feeling
> > >> > pessimistic at the moment - I cannot see how I could possibly get a
> > >> > positive outcome from this software,

Re: RedDot gripes

2008-11-19 Thread markus giesen

I work with RedDot since 2001/2002. And it definetly was state of the
art at this time.
I can agree that there are a lot of open source CMS out there, like
TYPO3 which back in the days was not that good but since now made some
great efforts.
But still I'm ore than sure, that RedDot has it's place in the
enterprise cms world.
The bugs and how they manage them is definetly something to discuss,
but I think another blog which only figures out the negative sites or
maybe negative ones is the wrong platform.
Better publish some articles in a forum, I think even the google group
is not the final solution for reddot related information.


On 19 Nov., 20:29, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> I'm trying to publicise some bugs, design flaws, and usability issues
> relating to RedDot, for those who might be evaluating it. I'm trying
> to foster debate about what kinds of features a modern day CMS needs
> and how they might be implemented. I'm trying to gauge public opinion
> - to what extent am I on my own here, and how much do others share my
> thoughts? I'm trying to let off some steam.
>
> On Nov 19, 7:15 pm, "Adam Boyle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I don't think you've really answered Morgan's first question.
>
> > You're interested in the comments, but what are you trying to achieve with
> > your blog?
>
> > What purpose do you hope the comments generated by your blog will serve?
>
> > Adam
>
> > On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 2:00 PM, sayno more <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > 1. I'm interested in the comments, as evidenced - I think - by my 
> > > responses
> > > to them. I'd like responses to my blog posts which are not "how do I do
> > > this" type questions, which would obviously not be appropriate in a blog
> > > format, by critical evaluations of a piece of software, and its design.
>
> > > 2. I'll be interested to see how many of the gripes have been, or will be,
> > > addressed. As you point out, some of these gripes are genuine flaws of the
> > > software as it stands right now, and will be useful information for those
> > > who are considering adopting RedDot for their website.
>
> > > 3. This sounds quite positive, so we'll all wait and see what the outcome
> > > is.
>
> > > 4. I've done just that with a dedicated follow-up post. Thanks.
>
> > > 2008/11/18 theHam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > >> Hey [EMAIL PROTECTED],
>
> > >> 1. to clarify what you are trying to achieve with these blog posts,
> > >> are you attempting to get some assistance and/or information with the
> > >> issues you are describing? I think from the amount of people that have
> > >> contributed to this post already that it should be demonstrated that
> > >> there are people here looking to help you if you want it. Or from the
> > >> sounds of your comment "I cannot see how I could possibly get a
> > >> positive outcome from this software, given the flaws that, IMO, are
> > >> pretty fundamental" have you made a decision and will not be
> > >> interested in the comments from people here? If you could let everyone
> > >> be aware of your position i think it will help the more passionate
> > >> people here and hopefully stop this becoming an unproductive flame war
> > >> (as these things types of threads tend to become)
>
> > >> 2. "I would love it if the RedDot engineers took some notice of these
> > >> comments." RedDot have taken notice of these comments. The next
> > >> version of  reddot coming out will be addressing your gripe #1 as the
> > >> text editor is being replaced. Gripe #2 is being addressed (i believe
> > >> around may next year) with a cms frontend rewrite based on usability
> > >> fundamentals. Yes these have not been released yet and do not address
> > >> your issues "right now" but based on my previous comment other gripes
> > >> like the ones you have been mentioned have in the past been
> > >> progressively acknowledged and addressed - there is hope.
>
> > >> 3. You asked earlier whether reddot would charge for upgrades, I'm
> > >> unaware of what region you are from but from ours if you are up to
> > >> date with your software support and maintenance upgrades are generally
> > >> provided under those costs (N.B. this may be different region to
> > >> region)
>
> > >> 4. I posted in the comments a reference to this link. If possible
> > >> could you directly edit your post to refer to this discussion? If
> > >> people do not view the comments of the post they may miss the link.
>
> > >> Cheers,
>
> > >>  - Morgan
>
> > >> On Nov 19, 1:01 am, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
> > >>  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> > Thanks for the thoughtful comments, "theham". I'll be dealing with a
> > >> > lot of what you say later on, but - in the meantime:
>
> > >> > "all software is frustrating and flawed" - I think this is either not
> > >> > the case, or an awful indictment of our craft if it is. I personally
> > >> > make regular use of software that is neither flawed nor frustrating;
> > >> > as I alluded to earlier, m

Re: RedDot gripes

2008-11-19 Thread Adam Boyle
Blogging exclusively about bugs and flaws isn't helpful to those who might
be evaluating RedDot.

It's not fair to write about only the negative stuff without also mentioning
some of the positive things that RedDot does too.

If you were honestly trying to foster a debate about what features a CMS
should have, then why did you name your blog RedDotGripes?

Isn't it more honest to say that you created your blog in the hopes that it
will pursuade current and/or potential RedDot customers against using
RedDot?

Isn't that the real purpose of your blog?

Adam



On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 2:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> I'm trying to publicise some bugs, design flaws, and usability issues
> relating to RedDot, for those who might be evaluating it. I'm trying
> to foster debate about what kinds of features a modern day CMS needs
> and how they might be implemented. I'm trying to gauge public opinion
> - to what extent am I on my own here, and how much do others share my
> thoughts? I'm trying to let off some steam.
>
> On Nov 19, 7:15 pm, "Adam Boyle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I don't think you've really answered Morgan's first question.
> >
> > You're interested in the comments, but what are you trying to achieve
> with
> > your blog?
> >
> > What purpose do you hope the comments generated by your blog will serve?
> >
> > Adam
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 2:00 PM, sayno more <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > 1. I'm interested in the comments, as evidenced - I think - by my
> responses
> > > to them. I'd like responses to my blog posts which are not "how do I do
> > > this" type questions, which would obviously not be appropriate in a
> blog
> > > format, by critical evaluations of a piece of software, and its design.
> >
> > > 2. I'll be interested to see how many of the gripes have been, or will
> be,
> > > addressed. As you point out, some of these gripes are genuine flaws of
> the
> > > software as it stands right now, and will be useful information for
> those
> > > who are considering adopting RedDot for their website.
> >
> > > 3. This sounds quite positive, so we'll all wait and see what the
> outcome
> > > is.
> >
> > > 4. I've done just that with a dedicated follow-up post. Thanks.
> >
> > > 2008/11/18 theHam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > >> Hey [EMAIL PROTECTED],
>  >
> > >> 1. to clarify what you are trying to achieve with these blog posts,
> > >> are you attempting to get some assistance and/or information with the
> > >> issues you are describing? I think from the amount of people that have
> > >> contributed to this post already that it should be demonstrated that
> > >> there are people here looking to help you if you want it. Or from the
> > >> sounds of your comment "I cannot see how I could possibly get a
> > >> positive outcome from this software, given the flaws that, IMO, are
> > >> pretty fundamental" have you made a decision and will not be
> > >> interested in the comments from people here? If you could let everyone
> > >> be aware of your position i think it will help the more passionate
> > >> people here and hopefully stop this becoming an unproductive flame war
> > >> (as these things types of threads tend to become)
> >
> > >> 2. "I would love it if the RedDot engineers took some notice of these
> > >> comments." RedDot have taken notice of these comments. The next
> > >> version of  reddot coming out will be addressing your gripe #1 as the
> > >> text editor is being replaced. Gripe #2 is being addressed (i believe
> > >> around may next year) with a cms frontend rewrite based on usability
> > >> fundamentals. Yes these have not been released yet and do not address
> > >> your issues "right now" but based on my previous comment other gripes
> > >> like the ones you have been mentioned have in the past been
> > >> progressively acknowledged and addressed - there is hope.
> >
> > >> 3. You asked earlier whether reddot would charge for upgrades, I'm
> > >> unaware of what region you are from but from ours if you are up to
> > >> date with your software support and maintenance upgrades are generally
> > >> provided under those costs (N.B. this may be different region to
> > >> region)
> >
> > >> 4. I posted in the comments a reference to this link. If possible
> > >> could you directly edit your post to refer to this discussion? If
> > >> people do not view the comments of the post they may miss the link.
> >
> > >> Cheers,
> >
> > >>  - Morgan
> >
> > >> On Nov 19, 1:01 am, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
> > >>  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> > Thanks for the thoughtful comments, "theham". I'll be dealing with a
> > >> > lot of what you say later on, but - in the meantime:
> >
> > >> > "all software is frustrating and flawed" - I think this is either
> not
> > >> > the case, or an awful indictment of our craft if it is. I personally
> > >> > make regular use of software that is neither flawed nor frustrating;
> > >> > as I alluded to earlier, maybe that should

option list basic question

2008-11-19 Thread jms...@gmail.com

When someone says "create an option list" how do I do that? For
instance I am trying to implement this:
http://blog.markusgiesen.de/2008/07/27/playing-peek-a-boo-hiding-pages-with-the-navigation-manager/#comment-1925

but my option list isn't working. What would an option list look like
for this?

thanks for helping


James
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Re: 'Last 5 updates' component

2008-11-19 Thread AnthonyFusepoint

Hi Brett,

I think you need to use RQL to do it.
A page search with today's modified pages as argument seems enough,
just sort your results by modified date then display the five first
result.


  


Don't forget to convert the date, RedDot encodes it.
You will find all you need in RQL documentation, It is on redDot
community website.

Anthony

On 19 nov, 06:47, Brett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Is there a publicly available component that shows the last 5 updated
> pages in RedDot? We are only using the CMS at the minute and aren't
> using LiveServer until Feb '09.
>
> Thanks,
> Brett
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Re: RedDot gripes

2008-11-19 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I'm trying to publicise some bugs, design flaws, and usability issues
relating to RedDot, for those who might be evaluating it. I'm trying
to foster debate about what kinds of features a modern day CMS needs
and how they might be implemented. I'm trying to gauge public opinion
- to what extent am I on my own here, and how much do others share my
thoughts? I'm trying to let off some steam.

On Nov 19, 7:15 pm, "Adam Boyle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't think you've really answered Morgan's first question.
>
> You're interested in the comments, but what are you trying to achieve with
> your blog?
>
> What purpose do you hope the comments generated by your blog will serve?
>
> Adam
>
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 2:00 PM, sayno more <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 1. I'm interested in the comments, as evidenced - I think - by my responses
> > to them. I'd like responses to my blog posts which are not "how do I do
> > this" type questions, which would obviously not be appropriate in a blog
> > format, by critical evaluations of a piece of software, and its design.
>
> > 2. I'll be interested to see how many of the gripes have been, or will be,
> > addressed. As you point out, some of these gripes are genuine flaws of the
> > software as it stands right now, and will be useful information for those
> > who are considering adopting RedDot for their website.
>
> > 3. This sounds quite positive, so we'll all wait and see what the outcome
> > is.
>
> > 4. I've done just that with a dedicated follow-up post. Thanks.
>
> > 2008/11/18 theHam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> >> Hey [EMAIL PROTECTED],
>
> >> 1. to clarify what you are trying to achieve with these blog posts,
> >> are you attempting to get some assistance and/or information with the
> >> issues you are describing? I think from the amount of people that have
> >> contributed to this post already that it should be demonstrated that
> >> there are people here looking to help you if you want it. Or from the
> >> sounds of your comment "I cannot see how I could possibly get a
> >> positive outcome from this software, given the flaws that, IMO, are
> >> pretty fundamental" have you made a decision and will not be
> >> interested in the comments from people here? If you could let everyone
> >> be aware of your position i think it will help the more passionate
> >> people here and hopefully stop this becoming an unproductive flame war
> >> (as these things types of threads tend to become)
>
> >> 2. "I would love it if the RedDot engineers took some notice of these
> >> comments." RedDot have taken notice of these comments. The next
> >> version of  reddot coming out will be addressing your gripe #1 as the
> >> text editor is being replaced. Gripe #2 is being addressed (i believe
> >> around may next year) with a cms frontend rewrite based on usability
> >> fundamentals. Yes these have not been released yet and do not address
> >> your issues "right now" but based on my previous comment other gripes
> >> like the ones you have been mentioned have in the past been
> >> progressively acknowledged and addressed - there is hope.
>
> >> 3. You asked earlier whether reddot would charge for upgrades, I'm
> >> unaware of what region you are from but from ours if you are up to
> >> date with your software support and maintenance upgrades are generally
> >> provided under those costs (N.B. this may be different region to
> >> region)
>
> >> 4. I posted in the comments a reference to this link. If possible
> >> could you directly edit your post to refer to this discussion? If
> >> people do not view the comments of the post they may miss the link.
>
> >> Cheers,
>
> >>  - Morgan
>
> >> On Nov 19, 1:01 am, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
> >>  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > Thanks for the thoughtful comments, "theham". I'll be dealing with a
> >> > lot of what you say later on, but - in the meantime:
>
> >> > "all software is frustrating and flawed" - I think this is either not
> >> > the case, or an awful indictment of our craft if it is. I personally
> >> > make regular use of software that is neither flawed nor frustrating;
> >> > as I alluded to earlier, maybe that should be rephrased as "all
> >> > complex software is frustrating and flawed". I take the point, of
> >> > course, that RedDot is not the only culprit.
>
> >> > "If you can please update your blog post" - you beat me to it -
> >> > thanks :)
>
> >> > "Why not try and get a positive outcome from your currently negative
> >> > experience?" - of course, that would be ideal. I guess I'm feeling
> >> > pessimistic at the moment - I cannot see how I could possibly get a
> >> > positive outcome from this software, given the flaws that, IMO, are
> >> > pretty fundamental. So far, I've just dealt with the text editor
> >> > creating invalid markup. As someone who has, over the last couple of
> >> > years, really embraced web standards and clean, semantic markup, this
> >> > DOES feel like a MASSIVE deal. However, there are other top

Re: RedDot gripes

2008-11-19 Thread Adam Boyle
I don't think you've really answered Morgan's first question.

You're interested in the comments, but what are you trying to achieve with
your blog?

What purpose do you hope the comments generated by your blog will serve?

Adam

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 2:00 PM, sayno more <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 1. I'm interested in the comments, as evidenced - I think - by my responses
> to them. I'd like responses to my blog posts which are not "how do I do
> this" type questions, which would obviously not be appropriate in a blog
> format, by critical evaluations of a piece of software, and its design.
>
> 2. I'll be interested to see how many of the gripes have been, or will be,
> addressed. As you point out, some of these gripes are genuine flaws of the
> software as it stands right now, and will be useful information for those
> who are considering adopting RedDot for their website.
>
> 3. This sounds quite positive, so we'll all wait and see what the outcome
> is.
>
> 4. I've done just that with a dedicated follow-up post. Thanks.
>
> 2008/11/18 theHam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>> Hey [EMAIL PROTECTED],
>>
>> 1. to clarify what you are trying to achieve with these blog posts,
>> are you attempting to get some assistance and/or information with the
>> issues you are describing? I think from the amount of people that have
>> contributed to this post already that it should be demonstrated that
>> there are people here looking to help you if you want it. Or from the
>> sounds of your comment "I cannot see how I could possibly get a
>> positive outcome from this software, given the flaws that, IMO, are
>> pretty fundamental" have you made a decision and will not be
>> interested in the comments from people here? If you could let everyone
>> be aware of your position i think it will help the more passionate
>> people here and hopefully stop this becoming an unproductive flame war
>> (as these things types of threads tend to become)
>>
>> 2. "I would love it if the RedDot engineers took some notice of these
>> comments." RedDot have taken notice of these comments. The next
>> version of  reddot coming out will be addressing your gripe #1 as the
>> text editor is being replaced. Gripe #2 is being addressed (i believe
>> around may next year) with a cms frontend rewrite based on usability
>> fundamentals. Yes these have not been released yet and do not address
>> your issues "right now" but based on my previous comment other gripes
>> like the ones you have been mentioned have in the past been
>> progressively acknowledged and addressed - there is hope.
>>
>> 3. You asked earlier whether reddot would charge for upgrades, I'm
>> unaware of what region you are from but from ours if you are up to
>> date with your software support and maintenance upgrades are generally
>> provided under those costs (N.B. this may be different region to
>> region)
>>
>> 4. I posted in the comments a reference to this link. If possible
>> could you directly edit your post to refer to this discussion? If
>> people do not view the comments of the post they may miss the link.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>  - Morgan
>>
>> On Nov 19, 1:01 am, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
>>  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Thanks for the thoughtful comments, "theham". I'll be dealing with a
>> > lot of what you say later on, but - in the meantime:
>> >
>> > "all software is frustrating and flawed" - I think this is either not
>> > the case, or an awful indictment of our craft if it is. I personally
>> > make regular use of software that is neither flawed nor frustrating;
>> > as I alluded to earlier, maybe that should be rephrased as "all
>> > complex software is frustrating and flawed". I take the point, of
>> > course, that RedDot is not the only culprit.
>> >
>> > "If you can please update your blog post" - you beat me to it -
>> > thanks :)
>> >
>> > "Why not try and get a positive outcome from your currently negative
>> > experience?" - of course, that would be ideal. I guess I'm feeling
>> > pessimistic at the moment - I cannot see how I could possibly get a
>> > positive outcome from this software, given the flaws that, IMO, are
>> > pretty fundamental. So far, I've just dealt with the text editor
>> > creating invalid markup. As someone who has, over the last couple of
>> > years, really embraced web standards and clean, semantic markup, this
>> > DOES feel like a MASSIVE deal. However, there are other topics I'll be
>> > discussing which, I believe, will be more significant to some of you
>> > (gripe #2 - just posted - probably doesn't fall under this category,
>> > unfortunately). I'm talking core aspects of the RedDot CMS model which
>> > I consider flawed. I would love it if the RedDot engineers took some
>> > notice of these comments. I would also love it if an alternative CMS
>> > (preferably open source) could be suggested, or developed if there
>> > really is a gap in the market.
>> >
>> > On Nov 18, 11:19 am, theHam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hey [EMAIL

Re: RedDot gripes

2008-11-19 Thread sayno more
1. I'm interested in the comments, as evidenced - I think - by my responses
to them. I'd like responses to my blog posts which are not "how do I do
this" type questions, which would obviously not be appropriate in a blog
format, by critical evaluations of a piece of software, and its design.

2. I'll be interested to see how many of the gripes have been, or will be,
addressed. As you point out, some of these gripes are genuine flaws of the
software as it stands right now, and will be useful information for those
who are considering adopting RedDot for their website.

3. This sounds quite positive, so we'll all wait and see what the outcome
is.

4. I've done just that with a dedicated follow-up post. Thanks.

2008/11/18 theHam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>
> Hey [EMAIL PROTECTED],
>
> 1. to clarify what you are trying to achieve with these blog posts,
> are you attempting to get some assistance and/or information with the
> issues you are describing? I think from the amount of people that have
> contributed to this post already that it should be demonstrated that
> there are people here looking to help you if you want it. Or from the
> sounds of your comment "I cannot see how I could possibly get a
> positive outcome from this software, given the flaws that, IMO, are
> pretty fundamental" have you made a decision and will not be
> interested in the comments from people here? If you could let everyone
> be aware of your position i think it will help the more passionate
> people here and hopefully stop this becoming an unproductive flame war
> (as these things types of threads tend to become)
>
> 2. "I would love it if the RedDot engineers took some notice of these
> comments." RedDot have taken notice of these comments. The next
> version of  reddot coming out will be addressing your gripe #1 as the
> text editor is being replaced. Gripe #2 is being addressed (i believe
> around may next year) with a cms frontend rewrite based on usability
> fundamentals. Yes these have not been released yet and do not address
> your issues "right now" but based on my previous comment other gripes
> like the ones you have been mentioned have in the past been
> progressively acknowledged and addressed - there is hope.
>
> 3. You asked earlier whether reddot would charge for upgrades, I'm
> unaware of what region you are from but from ours if you are up to
> date with your software support and maintenance upgrades are generally
> provided under those costs (N.B. this may be different region to
> region)
>
> 4. I posted in the comments a reference to this link. If possible
> could you directly edit your post to refer to this discussion? If
> people do not view the comments of the post they may miss the link.
>
> Cheers,
>
>  - Morgan
>
> On Nov 19, 1:01 am, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Thanks for the thoughtful comments, "theham". I'll be dealing with a
> > lot of what you say later on, but - in the meantime:
> >
> > "all software is frustrating and flawed" - I think this is either not
> > the case, or an awful indictment of our craft if it is. I personally
> > make regular use of software that is neither flawed nor frustrating;
> > as I alluded to earlier, maybe that should be rephrased as "all
> > complex software is frustrating and flawed". I take the point, of
> > course, that RedDot is not the only culprit.
> >
> > "If you can please update your blog post" - you beat me to it -
> > thanks :)
> >
> > "Why not try and get a positive outcome from your currently negative
> > experience?" - of course, that would be ideal. I guess I'm feeling
> > pessimistic at the moment - I cannot see how I could possibly get a
> > positive outcome from this software, given the flaws that, IMO, are
> > pretty fundamental. So far, I've just dealt with the text editor
> > creating invalid markup. As someone who has, over the last couple of
> > years, really embraced web standards and clean, semantic markup, this
> > DOES feel like a MASSIVE deal. However, there are other topics I'll be
> > discussing which, I believe, will be more significant to some of you
> > (gripe #2 - just posted - probably doesn't fall under this category,
> > unfortunately). I'm talking core aspects of the RedDot CMS model which
> > I consider flawed. I would love it if the RedDot engineers took some
> > notice of these comments. I would also love it if an alternative CMS
> > (preferably open source) could be suggested, or developed if there
> > really is a gap in the market.
> >
> > On Nov 18, 11:19 am, theHam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Hey [EMAIL PROTECTED],
> >
> > > I understand your pain and frustration. I'm a 3 y.o reddoter with a
> > > love/hate relationship with the wonderful world of reddot. I try to
> > > make sure that my clients never have to experience the hate and i deep
> > > down love the challenge. One thing i have noticed is that the biggest
> > > gripes i have with the product have been resolved progressively
> > > through the

Re: Pagination of list items...

2008-11-19 Thread bobbykjack

P.S. There's potential for the list (of several hundred items) to
include an image per item, so the javascript method is not really
appropriate. Although I could do some dynamic image loading based on
which items are actually showing, I guess. But those without JS would
not see the images, and I'm not sure that's good enough.

On Nov 19, 3:59 pm, bobbykjack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yup, I too have had to resort to a complex combination of RedDot +
> PHP, but it's just about working. I have a RedDot page that contains a
> list of other pages (the items in the final list). Certain data is
> transferred from each item into the top-level page. The top-level page
> is then published as a PHP file containing all that data in an array.
> A separate PHP page includes the first, then manipulates the data as
> it sees fit.
>
> Would be a lot easier and a LOT cleaner with a standard PHP/database
> setup, so I'm weighing up options to decouple it from RedDot.
>
> - Bobby
>
> On Nov 19, 11:12 am, abdn_webteam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Just a quick note to say we tried this method and it worked fine,
> > though we baulked at the idea of having a thousand news stories
> > rendered on one page. We therefore tried an alternative method of
> > combining PHP comment tags and conditional statements to simply
> > discard the unshown pages, and created a multi-pass to show the next/
> > previous pages. Works well, with little overhead.
>
>
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Re: Pagination of list items...

2008-11-19 Thread bobbykjack

Yup, I too have had to resort to a complex combination of RedDot +
PHP, but it's just about working. I have a RedDot page that contains a
list of other pages (the items in the final list). Certain data is
transferred from each item into the top-level page. The top-level page
is then published as a PHP file containing all that data in an array.
A separate PHP page includes the first, then manipulates the data as
it sees fit.

Would be a lot easier and a LOT cleaner with a standard PHP/database
setup, so I'm weighing up options to decouple it from RedDot.

- Bobby

On Nov 19, 11:12 am, abdn_webteam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just a quick note to say we tried this method and it worked fine,
> though we baulked at the idea of having a thousand news stories
> rendered on one page. We therefore tried an alternative method of
> combining PHP comment tags and conditional statements to simply
> discard the unshown pages, and created a multi-pass to show the next/
> previous pages. Works well, with little overhead.
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RE: The 'create' part of Create and Connect Page...

2008-11-19 Thread Smith Paul (SLH)

Hey

The only way to do this would be to create an RQL plugin that strings
together the relevant instructions. It's something we've wanted to do
here, but havn't had the time to piece together.

Paul

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Sent: Wed, November 19,2008 11:17
To: RedDot CMS Users
Subject: The 'create' part of Create and Connect Page...


It bugs us that the 'creation' of a page is a two-step process: give
the page a headline, then select the page and edit its placeholder
elements.

Is there a method for joining these two steps together, so when a user
clicks 'Create and Connect Page' they are automatically taken to the
'Edit Elements via Form' interface?
 


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'Last 5 updates' component

2008-11-19 Thread Brett

Hi All,

Is there a publicly available component that shows the last 5 updated
pages in RedDot? We are only using the CMS at the minute and aren't
using LiveServer until Feb '09.

Thanks,
Brett
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Re: Set page not to publish

2008-11-19 Thread Brett

Thanks!

On Nov 17, 6:29 pm, RedDot in Toronto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You can do it at the template level... Content Class (you don't want
> to publish) -> Tempates -> Assign Project Variants... be careful with
> this feature, one of the problems I've experienced in the past is if
> it is directly connected to a page that you do want to publish it can
> cause publication weirdness.
>
> On Nov 17, 11:07 am, Brett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > Can anyone refresh my memory of how not to publish a page?
>
> > Thanks,
> > Brett
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The 'create' part of Create and Connect Page...

2008-11-19 Thread abdn_webteam

It bugs us that the 'creation' of a page is a two-step process: give
the page a headline, then select the page and edit its placeholder
elements.

Is there a method for joining these two steps together, so when a user
clicks 'Create and Connect Page' they are automatically taken to the
'Edit Elements via Form' interface?
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Re: Pagination of list items...

2008-11-19 Thread abdn_webteam

Just a quick note to say we tried this method and it worked fine,
though we baulked at the idea of having a thousand news stories
rendered on one page. We therefore tried an alternative method of
combining PHP comment tags and conditional statements to simply
discard the unshown pages, and created a multi-pass to show the next/
previous pages. Works well, with little overhead.
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Database Content placeholders and forms in RedDot CMS

2008-11-19 Thread Jonathan W

Hi,

I'm looking at creating forms to update a database table using RedDot
CMS, and I've fallen at the first hurdle.

In my first form, I happen to want to write the values "1", "2" and
"3" to the database but display the labels "Not important", "Quite
important" and "Very important" respectively.

The textbook approach is to reference a Standard Text Field (which has
a red dot) to a Database Content placeholder (which is bound to a
database column). I would like to reference an Option List placeholder
to the Database Content placeholder but RedDot does not allow me to do
this (Selected element(s) in clipboard are not valid for this action).

So is this do-able? Using ASP? Using ASP+RQL? (No doubt on other
occasions I'll want to have checkboxes, radio buttons, etc etc.
Clearly input validation will be non-trivial too)

Really my question is bigger - can I create robust and usable database
editing forms in RedDot, or am I better off moving it out of RedDot
and into a tried-and-tested web development technology?

thanks,

Jonathan
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