Re: [Repeater-Builder] 1-day scanner sale - RS PRO-83 1/2 Price

2004-11-27 Thread Mathew Quaife

As a Radioshack dealer, I will agree that this is one of the nicest little
scanners that they came out with.  At first looks of it, I was not
impressed, with on hands playing with it at the show, it made it's way into
the store.  Although the sale ended today, I am certain that it will be
going on sale numerous times throughout the year.  I can't tell you when,
but it will.  Check with some of your dealer stores, not company owned, and
they may be willing to honor the $60.00 price if they have any left.

Mathew



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 Subject: 1-day scanner sale - RS PRO-83 1/2 Price
 
 Had to go to Radio Shack today for work, which turned out good for
 me. Today (Nov. 26) ONLY the PRO-83 is $59.99, 1/2 off. This is a non-
 trunking scanner. It covers the normal VHF and UHF scanner
 frequencies (i.e. no mil air) and 800/900 MHz. It has ten banks of
 memories, with 20 memories per bank.
 
 What sets this scanner apart is the feature called Signal Stalker
 Search. This functions in a manner similar to the Optoelectronics
 Scout's ability to reaction tune a receiver by detecting nearby
 transmissions. I use a Scout - Smart Line - Bearcat combination, and
 the PRO-83 is comparable, better is some ways and worse in others
 (one improvement is that everything is in one box).

 If you had a Scout / Smartline / Bearcat you could be
 within 50 feet of someone with a handheld and when
 they squeezed the PTT you'd instantly have the TX
 freq and PL. This can be useful in many situations.
 The RS scanner - at $60 - is handy for just this feature.
 In addition you get a 10m/low band / 6m / aircraft /
 2m / highband / UHF / 800 / 900 mhz scanner that
 you can load up with frequencies from your PC.

 Get them while they are in stock !!!

 Mike WA6ILQ






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[Repeater-Builder] Swap my NIB Vertex VX-2000 for a UHF Motorola GM300

2004-11-27 Thread na6df


I need a Motorola GM300 (used is just fine), 438-470 radio for a 
link. Must have 16 pin logic connector. I can program it myself. 
Just need radio  mic, no bracket needed. 
I will swap a new in box Vertex VX-2000 40 channel, 25 watt 440-470 
UHF radio for it. Comes with all the usual stuff, all new/unused. I 
can program the Vertex if needed.
email me or call my direct office line to chat about it. 916-563-7482
Thanks...  Dave Fortenberry, NA6DF







 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Help Tuning Wacom 2M Duplexers - Maine

2004-11-27 Thread russ

Hey Bob,
I am not in Maine but I could tune them for you at no charge but you will
have to pay shipping to NJ and back.
Contact me off line. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
73 Russ, W3CH


- Original Message - 
From: Bob Dengler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Help Tuning Wacom 2M Duplexers - Maine



 At 11/24/2004 08:36 AM, you wrote:

 Robin Staebler wrote:
  
  
   Is there anyone on Maine who could help me re-tune a set of Wacom 2M
   Cavities? I am re-furbing a set of 4 cans for a portable ARES
repeater.
   TNX
   WE1MD
   Robin
   Belfast Maine (I'll bring them to u !)
 
 I HIGHLY do NOT recommend using duplexers for a portable 2M repeater.
 They are very large, and VERY delicate. Banging around in a commvan, or
 a trailer, or any other frequent transport, will result in detuning, and
likely damage.

 Agreed.

 UHF is a MUCH better plan for a portable repeater,

 ...or go to a wide (2.5 MHz) split on 2 meters.  Many 6-section VHF
mobile
 duplexers can be tuned just down to this spacing.

 Here in SoCal we now have a special repeater pair just for this purpose:
 147.585 input, 144.930 output.

 Bob NO6B







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Re: [Repeater-Builder] radial tire static?

2004-11-27 Thread Mark Holman

if the oil is petro based you may keep the steel rims rustproofed, but may 
ruin the tires over time.  any oil soaked rubber parts from a petro base 
point of view would make things kinda bad.

Mark Holman, CRO
AB8RU
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From: Al [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] radial tire static?



 I still have a couple quart cans of the graphite oil for your car. Would a
 couple of ounces per tire work?

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 Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 10:05 PM
 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] radial tire static?



 Graphite source is any hardware store.  Extra Fine Graphite Manufactured
 by
 AGS Co. Muskegon, Mi 49443 and Lub-a-Spray manufactured by Panef
 Manufacturing
 Co., Inc Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Both come in a handheld plastic squeeze
 tube
 about 5 inches long and 1 inch diameter.  Remove plastic cap, squeeze 
 tube
 and
 you have an instant mess. Its slippery, goes a long way, and makes
 everything
 instantly black. Again, any hardware store should have this product. Use
 in
 well ventilated area.
 Gary  K2UQ





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Re: [Repeater-Builder] 1-day scanner sale - RS PRO-83 1/2 Price

2004-11-27 Thread Mathew Quaife

This is true, but bet if there is any left you can get them to sell you one.
A sold item is better than a discontinued item.  Enjoy!

Mathew



 It's not a 1-day sale - it was only from 6AM until Noon.

 Joe M.

 Mike WA6ILQ wrote:
 
  Forwarded to WA6ILQ by another mailing list...
 
  Subject: 1-day scanner sale - RS PRO-83 1/2 Price
  
  Had to go to Radio Shack today for work, which turned out good for
  me. Today (Nov. 26) ONLY the PRO-83 is $59.99, 1/2 off. This is a non-
  trunking scanner. It covers the normal VHF and UHF scanner
  frequencies (i.e. no mil air) and 800/900 MHz. It has ten banks of
  memories, with 20 memories per bank.
  
  What sets this scanner apart is the feature called Signal Stalker
  Search. This functions in a manner similar to the Optoelectronics
  Scout's ability to reaction tune a receiver by detecting nearby
  transmissions. I use a Scout - Smart Line - Bearcat combination, and
  the PRO-83 is comparable, better is some ways and worse in others
  (one improvement is that everything is in one box).
 
  If you had a Scout / Smartline / Bearcat you could be
  within 50 feet of someone with a handheld and when
  they squeezed the PTT you'd instantly have the TX
  freq and PL. This can be useful in many situations.
  The RS scanner - at $60 - is handy for just this feature.
  In addition you get a 10m/low band / 6m / aircraft /
  2m / highband / UHF / 800 / 900 mhz scanner that
  you can load up with frequencies from your PC.
 
  Get them while they are in stock !!!
 
  Mike WA6ILQ
 
 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Co-Phasing two Sinclair SRL-210C4 repeater antennas

2004-11-27 Thread Mark Holman

When we co phased 2 11M. Antennas we used  a Phasing Harness RG-59/U coax is 
what the sellers had I recalled they were 1 / 4 wave length apart, I presume 
thats the case with the Sinclairs using a 1 /4  wave to 1/2 wave config. 
each cable that is to PL or N connector ( never did it w/ N BTW )  the cable 
may be a different type also .

anyone want to input on this ??

Mark Holman, CRO
AB8RU
- Original Message - 
From: VA3EXT [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 5:43 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Co-Phasing two Sinclair SRL-210C4 repeater 
antennas





 I wondered if anyone could give me some ideas on co-phasing two
 Sinclair SRL-210C4 repeater antennas together.

 They both have 50ohm impeadence.

 I think you would just use odd 1/4 wave electrical harness between the
 two. I know how to calculate the lenght of the coax.

 I have one top mounted with 1/4 wave spacing from the mast on my 200'
 tower that enhances the gain the way the dipole face, north. I have
 another 1/2 wave spacing from the mast and want extra gain twards the
 east-west which I would mount on the side of the tower below the
 other.

 How far apart should the bottom element of the first antenna and the
 top element of the second antenna?


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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Need 10 MHz crystal

2004-11-27 Thread Mark Holman

ad in Mission Critical NOV-DEC 2004

 NKX
1814 Hancock St
Gretna, LA.  70053

ph.  504-361-5525 ( In LA )   800-237-6519

Fax 504-361-5526

They buy  sell  used XTAL Elements   If thats whay you are looking for

Have a Great Turkey Weekend.

Mark Holman, CRO
AB8RU
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To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 12:47 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Need 10 MHz crystal



 Does anyone here have a 10 MHz crystal in an HC-49 (same case size as for
 the G.E. MVP/Mastr II crystals) in their junkbox that they could send
 me?  I can't seem to find them locally.  Thanks.

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] mobile antenna question

2004-11-27 Thread Mark Holman

I have my SSB 2 on the roof of my car and the 10M. on the trunck deck  not 
deck not trunk lip !   when you talk on either you get the usual desense and 
the S meter moves along .

Happy Mobiling !

Mark Holman, CRO
AB8RU
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From: Tony King - W4ZT [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 9:30 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] mobile antenna question



 Slightly off topic but here goes:

 Just got a new FT-897D at the hamfest and want to run it along with the
 Alinco DR-600 in the truck.

 My question is, how much physical separation must I have between the
 VHF/UHF antennas to prevent damaging either radio while transmitting on 
 the
 other?

 Thanks for your opinions and Happy Thanksgiving!

 73, Tony W4ZT







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Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE MASTR ER41 Receiver Low Audio Output

2004-11-27 Thread Mark Holman





You mean toast everything ! !!!
Mark Holman, CROAB8RU

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Q 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 4:23 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE MASTR 
  ER41 Receiver Low Audio Output
  
  Sure will cause problems,it will throw the bias off causing 
  all kinds of trouble.Best to feed it proper voltage or none at all.Try 
  starting your car on 10 volts
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Mathew 
Quaife 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 1:43 
PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE 
MASTR ER41 Receiver Low Audio Output

Ok, brings up a good question, I fed the 12 volts section 
with the 10 volts supply, would this drop of 2 volts cause a major drop in 
the audio out section?

Mathew














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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Co-Phasing two Sinclair SRL-210C4 repeater antennas

2004-11-27 Thread Mathew Quaife

When cophasing two antenna's I think they usually use 1/4 Waves of 75 Ohm or
35 Ohm cable.  If you feed it with 50 ohm cable, the harness that is, you
will have 100 Ohms at the feedpoint.  So then you need something to change
that.  In building an eme array, we used 1/4 and 1/2 waves of 50 ohm cable,
but they had to be exact.

Mathew

- Original Message -




 When we co phased 2 11M. Antennas we used  a Phasing Harness RG-59/U coax
is
 what the sellers had I recalled they were 1 / 4 wave length apart, I
presume
 thats the case with the Sinclairs using a 1 /4  wave to 1/2 wave config.
 each cable that is to PL or N connector ( never did it w/ N BTW )  the
cable
 may be a different type also .

 anyone want to input on this ??

 Mark Holman, CRO
 AB8RU
 - Original Message -
 From: VA3EXT [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 5:43 PM
 Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Co-Phasing two Sinclair SRL-210C4 repeater
 antennas


 
 
 
  I wondered if anyone could give me some ideas on co-phasing two
  Sinclair SRL-210C4 repeater antennas together.
 
  They both have 50ohm impeadence.
 
  I think you would just use odd 1/4 wave electrical harness between the
  two. I know how to calculate the lenght of the coax.
 
  I have one top mounted with 1/4 wave spacing from the mast on my 200'
  tower that enhances the gain the way the dipole face, north. I have
  another 1/2 wave spacing from the mast and want extra gain twards the
  east-west which I would mount on the side of the tower below the
  other.
 
  How far apart should the bottom element of the first antenna and the
  top element of the second antenna?
 
 
  Thanks,  Scott  VA3EXT
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Co-Phasing two Sinclair SRL-210C4 repeater antennas

2004-11-27 Thread Roger Grady
At 05:43 PM 11/25/04, VA3EXT wrote:

I wondered if anyone could give me some ideas on co-phasing two
Sinclair SRL-210C4 repeater antennas together.

They both have 50ohm impeadence.

I think you would just use odd 1/4 wave electrical harness between the
two. I know how to calculate the lenght of the coax.

Correct, but be sure to use 75 ohm coax. The odd 1/4 wave of 75 ohm will 
transform the antennas' impedance from 50 ohms to 100 ohms. Putting the two 
in parallel with a T gets you back to 50 ohms.

I have one top mounted with 1/4 wave spacing from the mast on my 200'
tower that enhances the gain the way the dipole face, north. I have
another 1/2 wave spacing from the mast and want extra gain twards the
east-west which I would mount on the side of the tower below the
other.

How far apart should the bottom element of the first antenna and the
top element of the second antenna?

I'm not sure, but my guess would be to use the same spacing as between the 
elements on the individual antennas. With your varying dipole orientation 
and distance from the tower you'll probably get an interesting pattern.

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] 1-day scanner sale - RS PRO-83 1/2 Price

2004-11-27 Thread mch

It's not a 1-day sale - it was only from 6AM until Noon.

Joe M.

Mike WA6ILQ wrote:
 
 Forwarded to WA6ILQ by another mailing list...
 
 Subject: 1-day scanner sale - RS PRO-83 1/2 Price
 
 Had to go to Radio Shack today for work, which turned out good for
 me. Today (Nov. 26) ONLY the PRO-83 is $59.99, 1/2 off. This is a non-
 trunking scanner. It covers the normal VHF and UHF scanner
 frequencies (i.e. no mil air) and 800/900 MHz. It has ten banks of
 memories, with 20 memories per bank.
 
 What sets this scanner apart is the feature called Signal Stalker
 Search. This functions in a manner similar to the Optoelectronics
 Scout's ability to reaction tune a receiver by detecting nearby
 transmissions. I use a Scout - Smart Line - Bearcat combination, and
 the PRO-83 is comparable, better is some ways and worse in others
 (one improvement is that everything is in one box).
 
 If you had a Scout / Smartline / Bearcat you could be
 within 50 feet of someone with a handheld and when
 they squeezed the PTT you'd instantly have the TX
 freq and PL. This can be useful in many situations.
 The RS scanner - at $60 - is handy for just this feature.
 In addition you get a 10m/low band / 6m / aircraft /
 2m / highband / UHF / 800 / 900 mhz scanner that
 you can load up with frequencies from your PC.
 
 Get them while they are in stock !!!
 
 Mike WA6ILQ
 
 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] 1-day scanner sale - RS PRO-83 1/2 Price

2004-11-27 Thread Jeff Thomas

Phone order shows they are in-stock:
I think you can order them 1-800-THE-SHACK (1-800-843-7422).

http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLGproduct%5Fid=20-501


- Original Message - 
From: Mathew Quaife [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] 1-day scanner sale - RS PRO-83 1/2 Price



 This is true, but bet if there is any left you can get them to sell you 
 one.
 A sold item is better than a discontinued item.  Enjoy!

 Mathew



 It's not a 1-day sale - it was only from 6AM until Noon.

 Joe M.

 Mike WA6ILQ wrote:
 
  Forwarded to WA6ILQ by another mailing list...
 
  Subject: 1-day scanner sale - RS PRO-83 1/2 Price
  
  Had to go to Radio Shack today for work, which turned out good for
  me. Today (Nov. 26) ONLY the PRO-83 is $59.99, 1/2 off. This is a non-
  trunking scanner. It covers the normal VHF and UHF scanner
  frequencies (i.e. no mil air) and 800/900 MHz. It has ten banks of
  memories, with 20 memories per bank.
  
  What sets this scanner apart is the feature called Signal Stalker
  Search. This functions in a manner similar to the Optoelectronics
  Scout's ability to reaction tune a receiver by detecting nearby
  transmissions. I use a Scout - Smart Line - Bearcat combination, and
  the PRO-83 is comparable, better is some ways and worse in others
  (one improvement is that everything is in one box).
 
  If you had a Scout / Smartline / Bearcat you could be
  within 50 feet of someone with a handheld and when
  they squeezed the PTT you'd instantly have the TX
  freq and PL. This can be useful in many situations.
  The RS scanner - at $60 - is handy for just this feature.
  In addition you get a 10m/low band / 6m / aircraft /
  2m / highband / UHF / 800 / 900 mhz scanner that
  you can load up with frequencies from your PC.
 
  Get them while they are in stock !!!
 
  Mike WA6ILQ
 
 
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[Repeater-Builder] Transmitter combiners

2004-11-27 Thread Gareth Bennett





Hi there Group :-)
 Is there somebody in the group 
who has knowledge on "Star" transmitter combining? I am trying to remember the 
formula for the "Tuning Stub" that also is fitted to the star, or "Porcupine" as 
we call them over here. All the stubs here are less than 1/4 wavelength 
(Including VF of cable)and as normal are shorted at the end :-) 
..
 Everything else is as one would 
expect with the food chain going like this... 
Transmitter-Isolator-Cavity-"Porcupine" - Antenna.
 I want to tune this as best as I 
can, but don't want to spend large amounts of time hacking off coax 
:-)
 Any formula would be 
appreciated. I have tried to reverse engineer what we have in service to gain 
some formula, but nothing makes sense. 

Can anybody remember?

Thanks in advance :-)
_

Gareth Bennett

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[Repeater-Builder] Cabinet Suggestions

2004-11-27 Thread Robin Staebler


I am thinking about security and ventilation.

Site is cool/warm (comm trailer on state/county site heated/cooled)

So what about gutting a small refrigerator; several vent and cable ports
Putting repeater and cavities in box
Locking same...

Comments criticisms

-- 
Robin  WE1MD









 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] 1-day scanner sale - RS PRO-83 1/2 Price

2004-11-27 Thread Kenneth Cook


I was able to purchase one at 8:45pm or 15 minutes before the store closed.

Not a bad little scanner especially for the price. Great value.

Kenneth P. Cook Jr., W8DZN
President, Bucyrus Amateur Radio Club
Assistant Emergency Coordinator for Crawford Co., Ohio
ARRL VE, ARRL Registered, Certifiied Instructor/Examiner
for ECOMM Levels I, II and III.

-Original Message-
From: Jeff Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 9:54 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] 1-day scanner sale - RS PRO-83 1/2 Price


Phone order shows they are in-stock:
I think you can order them 1-800-THE-SHACK (1-800-843-7422).

http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLGproduct%5Fid=20-50
1


- Original Message - 
From: Mathew Quaife [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] 1-day scanner sale - RS PRO-83 1/2 Price



 This is true, but bet if there is any left you can get them to sell you 
 one.
 A sold item is better than a discontinued item.  Enjoy!

 Mathew



 It's not a 1-day sale - it was only from 6AM until Noon.

 Joe M.

 Mike WA6ILQ wrote:
 
  Forwarded to WA6ILQ by another mailing list...
 
  Subject: 1-day scanner sale - RS PRO-83 1/2 Price
  
  Had to go to Radio Shack today for work, which turned out good for
  me. Today (Nov. 26) ONLY the PRO-83 is $59.99, 1/2 off. This is a non-
  trunking scanner. It covers the normal VHF and UHF scanner
  frequencies (i.e. no mil air) and 800/900 MHz. It has ten banks of
  memories, with 20 memories per bank.
  
  What sets this scanner apart is the feature called Signal Stalker
  Search. This functions in a manner similar to the Optoelectronics
  Scout's ability to reaction tune a receiver by detecting nearby
  transmissions. I use a Scout - Smart Line - Bearcat combination, and
  the PRO-83 is comparable, better is some ways and worse in others
  (one improvement is that everything is in one box).
 
  If you had a Scout / Smartline / Bearcat you could be
  within 50 feet of someone with a handheld and when
  they squeezed the PTT you'd instantly have the TX
  freq and PL. This can be useful in many situations.
  The RS scanner - at $60 - is handy for just this feature.
  In addition you get a 10m/low band / 6m / aircraft /
  2m / highband / UHF / 800 / 900 mhz scanner that
  you can load up with frequencies from your PC.
 
  Get them while they are in stock !!!
 
  Mike WA6ILQ
 
 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Cabinet Suggestions

2004-11-27 Thread Mike DeWaele

My first repeater was installed in a refridgerator that i gutted. I didn,t
have temp comp rocks in the setup so keeping the temp steady was the goal.
The refg. i pick was one with the freezer in the bottom. Made a great place
to put power supply and power strips etc. I cut vent hole between freezer
and refrid. box. At the top in the rear I installed a vent and fan. I hook
the fan up to a t-stat so that when the box got above 70 degrees the fan
would come on and pull air up from the bottom and out the back at the top
where the fan was located. In the winter i used the light bulb that was in
the refridg. That was also hooked up to a t-stat so in the colder months the
light bulb would come on and heat the box up.The key was to remember to
change t-stats with the seasons so they weren't fighting each other. Some
where I have a drawing of how it was wired if your interested

Mike KA2NDW

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 I am thinking about security and ventilation.

 Site is cool/warm (comm trailer on state/county site heated/cooled)

 So what about gutting a small refrigerator; several vent and cable ports
 Putting repeater and cavities in box
 Locking same...

 Comments criticisms

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[Repeater-Builder] New to the group!

2004-11-27 Thread Anthony L .Ferguson



Hello My call sign is KB4ZGO . I have a project in mind and would 
like to run my idea past the group. I am familiar with somethings and 
not with others, so I may get some help or suggestions from the group.

I would like to build a simplex repeater on either 2 meters or 440Mhz.
I have looked at several controlers from NHRC and Hamtronics and 
found that it is possible to configure a simplex repeater using 
something like The NHRC-3-90 which is retired . Using the NHRC-3-90 
controler with a GE Master Executive II or simular equipment from 
Motorola can be done . I would like to know if anyone could suggest 
any other equipment that could be used ? 

I know that Radio shack had a simplex COS simplex repeater unit years 
ago and has been discontinued. Those little units were mainly used 
for hand held equipment.I would like to build at MONSTOR simplex 
repeater using a COS controller and some type of high power 
transceiver to work with the controler.

I know it may sound dumb or stupid but heck I's still experimenting ! 
hi hi! thanks 73 de KB4ZGO











 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Cabinet Suggestions

2004-11-27 Thread Q

Thats all fine and good until your temp controls fail and you cook the whole
thing! You already have a controlled environment,why chance failure? Better
to use quality equipment to begin with that doesnt need any extra help. I
doubt any tower site owner would allow a fridge as a cabinet or the poor
quality equipment that needed it. Just put fans on the power amp and power
supply heatsinks,at least if they fail,it will still have some chance of
convection cooling.

Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Cabinet Suggestions



 My first repeater was installed in a refridgerator that i gutted. I didn,t
 have temp comp rocks in the setup so keeping the temp steady was the goal.
 The refg. i pick was one with the freezer in the bottom. Made a great
place
 to put power supply and power strips etc. I cut vent hole between freezer
 and refrid. box  snip
 Mike KA2NDW
 
  I am thinking about security and ventilation.
  Site is cool/warm (comm trailer on state/county site heated/cooled)
  So what about gutting a small refrigerator; several vent and cable ports
  Putting repeater and cavities in box
  Locking same...
  Comments criticisms
  Robin  WE1MD







 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Cabinet Suggestions

2004-11-27 Thread Joe

Cooling: This can normally be done with lots of moving
air, Air Conditioning is not always necessary.  You
could use 2 fans, one small one thermostatically
controlled to cool the cabinet to maybe 75 degrees.  I
would have a second larger fan to take care of the
really hot times, maybe set at 80 degrees.  This would
give you redundancy in cooling.  I worked for several
paging companies in the past and some of the sites
were 120 degrees or more in the summer.  As long as
the fans kept working, the equipment did not fail. 
The most important thing when moving air is to make
sure that you use filters and clean them often.  The
openings also need to be made rodent proof or you will
have a  mess.

Heating:  I use a 40 watt light bulb in my repeater
for heat.  I have it plugged into a Freeze Alarm
unit and set it to 55 degrees.  The Freeze Alarm is
something used up in the North that you normally plug
a light into and put the light in your front window. 
If your heat goes off while you are away in Florida
for the winter, it will alert your neighbor that there
is a problem with your heating system.  This works
well and I probably will put two of these in my
repeater this year.  Last year, the light bulb burnt
out a couple of times, probably from being turned on
and off so many times.

73, Joe, K1ike
 
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 I am thinking about security and ventilation.
 Site is cool/warm (comm trailer on state/county site
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Cabinet Suggestions

2004-11-27 Thread Mike DeWaele


I guess i should have mention that was my first atempt at repeater building
back in the early 80's. It was located on a hill behind my house and not a
commerical site. I did however use it for several years with no problems. I
would have to agree that you would never want to drag a set up like that to
a tower site owner location.

Mike KA2NDW



 Thats all fine and good until your temp controls fail and you cook the
whole
 thing! You already have a controlled environment,why chance failure?
Better
 to use quality equipment to begin with that doesnt need any extra help. I
 doubt any tower site owner would allow a fridge as a cabinet or the poor
 quality equipment that needed it. Just put fans on the power amp and power
 supply heatsinks,at least if they fail,it will still have some chance of
 convection cooling.

 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Cabinet Suggestions


 
  My first repeater was installed in a refridgerator that i gutted. I
didn,t
  have temp comp rocks in the setup so keeping the temp steady was the
goal.
  The refg. i pick was one with the freezer in the bottom. Made a great
 place
  to put power supply and power strips etc. I cut vent hole between
freezer
  and refrid. box  snip
  Mike KA2NDW
  







 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Transmitter combiners

2004-11-27 Thread Ian Ashford





Gareth,

For two transmitters the length of the circulator 
to porcupine jumper would be 5/8 wavelength in coax.

When these two are parrelled the common 
impedanceis 25+j25 ohm.

Looking at the Smith chart it looks like a 
paralleled s/c stub of -j25 would acheive a match to 50 ohm.

Putting these figures into lengths of 
RG213:

Circulator to porcupine 
jumper0.85m

 s/c stub 0.58m

I dont know how many transmitters you are 
combining,the stub impedance is -j16ohm for 3 transmitters and -j12 for 
four.

There are lots of good transmission line 
calculators available on a google search.

Ian
G8PWE
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  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Gareth Bennett 
  
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 4:11 
  AM
  Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Transmitter 
  combiners
  
  Hi there Group :-)
   Is there somebody in the group 
  who has knowledge on "Star" transmitter combining? I am trying to remember the 
  formula for the "Tuning Stub" that also is fitted to the star, or "Porcupine" 
  as we call them over here. All the stubs here are less than 1/4 wavelength 
  (Including VF of cable)and as normal are shorted at the end :-) 
  ..
   Everything else is as one 
  would expect with the food chain going like this... 
  Transmitter-Isolator-Cavity-"Porcupine" - Antenna.
   I want to tune this as best as 
  I can, but don't want to spend large amounts of time hacking off coax 
  :-)
   Any formula would be 
  appreciated. I have tried to reverse engineer what we have in service to gain 
  some formula, but nothing makes sense. 
  
  Can anybody remember?
  
  Thanks in advance :-)
  _
  
  Gareth Bennett
  
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[Repeater-Builder] Coax Question

2004-11-27 Thread rrath

I have been told - do not use coax that has foil. Well, I am looking at 
LMR coax and it has foil. What are you repeaters 
owners/maintainers using?

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] 1-day scanner sale - RS PRO-83 1/2 Price

2004-11-27 Thread Ronny Julian


200 channels, no trunking, $60...  Not a value with all the Pro 94s and 
BC-235s/245s on the market for the same or better price. 

It's amazing how RS corporate seems to think much of their stuff is a 
deal.  EX: I got a Verbatim 256MB USB drive for $9.95.at Microcenter 
this morning.  RS had a Door Buster 128MB for double the price.



Mathew Quaife wrote:

As a Radioshack dealer, I will agree that this is one of the nicest little
scanners that they came out with.  At first looks of it, I was not
impressed, with on hands playing with it at the show, it made it's way into
the store.  Although the sale ended today, I am certain that it will be
going on sale numerous times throughout the year.  I can't tell you when,
but it will.  Check with some of your dealer stores, not company owned, and
they may be willing to honor the $60.00 price if they have any left.

Mathew


  

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Subject: 1-day scanner sale - RS PRO-83 1/2 Price

Had to go to Radio Shack today for work, which turned out good for
me. Today (Nov. 26) ONLY the PRO-83 is $59.99, 1/2 off. This is a non-
trunking scanner. It covers the normal VHF and UHF scanner
frequencies (i.e. no mil air) and 800/900 MHz. It has ten banks of
memories, with 20 memories per bank.

What sets this scanner apart is the feature called Signal Stalker
Search. This functions in a manner similar to the Optoelectronics
Scout's ability to reaction tune a receiver by detecting nearby
transmissions. I use a Scout - Smart Line - Bearcat combination, and
the PRO-83 is comparable, better is some ways and worse in others
(one improvement is that everything is in one box).
  

If you had a Scout / Smartline / Bearcat you could be
within 50 feet of someone with a handheld and when
they squeezed the PTT you'd instantly have the TX
freq and PL. This can be useful in many situations.
The RS scanner - at $60 - is handy for just this feature.
In addition you get a 10m/low band / 6m / aircraft /
2m / highband / UHF / 800 / 900 mhz scanner that
you can load up with frequencies from your PC.

Get them while they are in stock !!!

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax Question

2004-11-27 Thread James

Nothing less than Andrews Hardline!! usually LDF 4-50A (1/2) or LDF 
5-50A (7/8).  Times cable is great except that it has that foil, and it 
cannot be easily grounded to the ground windows available in most 
installations. Andrews has kits that bond the cable to the ground 
windows by bonding the cable shield directly.

James

Other hardline makers such as Cablewave/RFS, and EUPEN offer similar items.


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LMR coax and it has foil. What are you repeaters 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] New to the group!

2004-11-27 Thread Steve Bosshard \(NU5D\)

Used a Zetron Simplexor and Kenwood, TK860 Mobile Radio.  Understand that
CSI, Communications Systems Inc. now manufactures a box just for that
purpose.  I used to use one to extend 2 tone paging for volunteer fire
departments.  It had it's own paging code for activation so the voice calls
would not parrot, but paging tones used a first code to activate, followed
by a second code and the message that were recorded and played back.  Worked
really well.

Ssb


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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax Question

2004-11-27 Thread russ

Hello All,
In duplex you will NOT want to use things like Belden 9913 or times LMR, 400
or even 600. Use a good Hard-line type coax. Your jumpers can be 1/25 or
1/2 between your tx, amp, circulator and duplexer on the receiver side
between rx and the duplexer or pre-amp if needed. Your feed to your antenna
will all ways be a type of hard line coax. Build it right the 1st time and
it will serve both you and your users for years to come. Build it bad and
you will talk to your self for years to come.
Good luck!
Very best of 73,
Russ, W3CH
Trustee Metro-Comm, INC.
W3PS/RPT.


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Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax Question



 Nothing less than Andrews Hardline!! usually LDF 4-50A (1/2) or LDF
 5-50A (7/8).  Times cable is great except that it has that foil, and it
 cannot be easily grounded to the ground windows available in most
 installations. Andrews has kits that bond the cable to the ground
 windows by bonding the cable shield directly.

 James

 Other hardline makers such as Cablewave/RFS, and EUPEN offer similar
items.


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have been told - do not use coax that has foil. Well, I am looking at
 LMR coax and it has foil. What are you repeaters
 owners/maintainers using?
 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax Question

2004-11-27 Thread russ

Hey Rod,
For what you pay for the LMR type coaxes you can buy NEW hard-line type
coax. Contact me direct off line I will pass on who we buy all our Hard-Line
from. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Good luck on your project!
Very best of 73,
Russ, W3CH
Trustee, Metro-Comm, INC.
W3PS/RPT.

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax Question

2004-11-27 Thread Chuck Kelsey

Heliax cable for transmission line, superflex heliax for jumpers and RG-142 
or RG-400 double shielded (both braid) coax for between the repeater and the 
duplexer. No foil shield anywhere.

Chuck
WB2EDV


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[Repeater-Builder] GE Mastr II UHF Hi Pwr Tube PA F/S or Trade

2004-11-27 Thread John Everson


Hello to the group.

I have a GE Mastr II tube final for UHF. It is in the cabinet, with 
the P.S. I need to get this thing out of the garage. It MUST be pick 
up only near Sacramento CA. If anyone is interested, drop me a note 
off list and we can talk about it. It is untested, but was working 
when removed from service 9-10 years ago. Going Chap!

Thanks,John







 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Cabinet Suggestions

2004-11-27 Thread Neil McKie


  During the early seventies, I was working for a 2-way radio shop 
 in the Los Angeles area.  

  One very hot summer day, one of our customers complained his base 
 station had apparently quit so I was dispatched to repair it.  The 
 base was in a unventilated two car garage on a hill top.  

  After I had arrived at the site, I opened the garage door and 
 could barely stand the heat inside.  A couple of minutes later, I 
 went to the customers base station cabinet and felt the cabinet 
 temperature - almost burned my hand. 

  Those days, there were many systems that were still vacuum tube ... 
 including this one.  The crystals were installed in 85 degree 
 centigrade ovens to stabilize the temperature.  

  The service monitor showed the transmit and receive frequencies were 
 low by 4 or 5 kHz - meaning the crystals were too hot. 

  At that point in my career, my fingers were used to sensing crystal 
 oven temperature so I reached for the separate ovens to see if they 
 had overheated - they hadn't.  

  I left the cabinet door open for a half hour or more to allow the 
 radio and cabinet to cool off.  Then I measured the frequencies 
 again ... had drifted back on frequency so I closed up the 
 equipment, the garage and departed. 

  The point here is the radio and cabinetry had been hotter than the 
 85 degree centigrade crystal ovens (185 degree F) and had began to 
 control the crystal temperature and thereby the frequency. 

  Since we didn't control the garage, we left it to the customer to 
 contact the site owner. 


  For you Motorola types: 

  The tube equipment involved was most likely a C53GKB-3100A Station 

  The receiver was a Series Sensicon 'G' receiver because it had the 
 Private Line circuitry on it. 

  There were three versions of the 60 watt 5 wide transmitter chassis: 

The Series 'A' - used an 829B final tube; 
The little used Series 'J' - used a pair of 6146's as the 
   final tubes; 
The Series 'K' - used an 5894 final tube. 

  In this installation, it was most likely the series 'K' transmitter 
 strip as it also had the Private Line circuitry on it. 

  
  For you General Electric types, the competition radio to the 
 Motorola C53GKB Series was the Progress Line Station. 

 (Yes, I used to service them too.) 

 --- 


  My experience with incandescent light bulbs is if you really need 
 long life, place two in series ... or as I did one time, a silicon 
 diode in series with one lamp. 

  Early in the 1980's, a friends housing rental came up empty and he 
 contacted me to go in, clean and make it ready for the next renter. 
 Inside, I found a used RC Cola lighted sign / clock.  

  One of the two 25 watt light bulbs was burned out.  I took it home, 
 cleaned it up, wired the two light sockets in series and installed a 
 pair of 40 watt bulbs.  Then I hung that sign / clock in my bathroom 
 as a night light. 
  
  Late 1998, I sold my place and relocated to another part of the 
 state.  Those two 40 watt lightbulbs were still in service ... but 
 the clock motor was so noisy, you could hear it a couple of rooms 
 away. 


  73, (NOT 73's) 

  Neil McKie - WA6KLA 


Joe wrote:
 
 Cooling: This can normally be done with lots of moving
 air, Air Conditioning is not always necessary.  You
 could use 2 fans, one small one thermostatically
 controlled to cool the cabinet to maybe 75 degrees.  I
 would have a second larger fan to take care of the
 really hot times, maybe set at 80 degrees.  This would
 give you redundancy in cooling.  I worked for several
 paging companies in the past and some of the sites
 were 120 degrees or more in the summer.  As long as
 the fans kept working, the equipment did not fail.
 The most important thing when moving air is to make
 sure that you use filters and clean them often.  The
 openings also need to be made rodent proof or you will
 have a  mess.
 
 Heating:  I use a 40 watt light bulb in my repeater
 for heat.  I have it plugged into a Freeze Alarm
 unit and set it to 55 degrees.  The Freeze Alarm is
 something used up in the North that you normally plug
 a light into and put the light in your front window.
 If your heat goes off while you are away in Florida
 for the winter, it will alert your neighbor that there
 is a problem with your heating system.  This works
 well and I probably will put two of these in my
 repeater this year.  Last year, the light bulb burnt
 out a couple of times, probably from being turned on
 and off so many times.
 
 73, Joe, K1ike
 
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  Site is cool/warm (comm trailer on state/county site
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax Question

2004-11-27 Thread Neil McKie


  Andrew Heliax. 

  Hope this helps, 

  Neil - WA6KLA 

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[Repeater-Builder] Re: Cabinet Suggestions

2004-11-27 Thread John Everson


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Neil McKie [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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   73, (NOT 73's) 
 
   Neil McKie - WA6KLA 

You mean that you don't want to give us your best regards's?

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Cabinet Suggestions

2004-11-27 Thread Mike WA6ILQ

At 06:37 AM 11/27/04, Joe K1IKE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Heating:  I use a 40 watt light bulb in my repeater
for heat.  I have it plugged into a Freeze Alarm
unit and set it to 55 degrees.  The Freeze Alarm is
something used up in the North that you normally plug
a light into and put the light in your front window.
If your heat goes off while you are away in Florida
for the winter, it will alert your neighbor that there
is a problem with your heating system.  This works
well and I probably will put two of these in my
repeater this year.  Last year, the light bulb burnt
out a couple of times, probably from being turned on
and off so many times.

Joe...
My folks had a swimming pool in the back yard of
their souther calif. home and the 400 watt bulb in
the underwater light used to burn out every 8 months.
Changing it was a major PITA due to the poorly
designed waterproofing of the fixture.  And the bulb
was a special shape for pool lights, and was $20
(and that was in 1970 vintage dollars).

My solution was to reduce the frequency of the
burnouts. I took a ceramic heating element with a
light-bulb-screw-base and stripped it of 80-90% of
the nichrome wire and put it in series with the
pool light so that the voltage across the bulb was
around 100 volts.

That was in 1983.  The same bulb is still in service.

Another trick was used by IBM on the old
(1970s and 1980s) mainframe computers
that had hundreds of incandescent bulbs on
the front panels. Their research said that the
bulbs burn out due to the inrush current into
the cold, low resistance filament.  The resistance
ramps up rapidly with filament temperature.
Their solution was to add a resistor in parallel
with each open collector lamp driver so that the
current through the resistor kept the filament at
a dull, dull red, and the driver transistor shorted out
the resistor for full brightness.

You could also take advantage of the fact that it's
an AC circuit and put a capacitor in series with the
light bulb to change the voltage vs current phase
angles  Don't know the value, but years ago
when I worked on tube-vintage Moto base stations
that had green and red bulls-eye panel lamps
for power and PTT on the front panel I found
a cap in series with the green power light on a
couple of stations...
Those with the cap never burned out, those without
had a box of bulbs that were left with the dispatcher.

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Cabinet Suggestions

2004-11-27 Thread Q

Actuaaly its 73's as in more than one best regard...LOL

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[Repeater-Builder] Re: Cabinet Suggestions

2004-11-27 Thread tony dinkel

During the early seventies, I was working for a 2-way radio shop in the Los 
Angeles area.

One very hot summer day, one of our customers complained his base station 
had apparently quit so I was dispatched to repair it.  The base was in a 
unventilated two car garage on a hill top.

Sounds like the old Scudder Place?  Never got to go there in the 70's.  Did 
a couple of things there in the 80's though.

Got a few funny stories about the place on Apian Way just down the street 
too!

td
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax Question

2004-11-27 Thread russ

Hello All,
If you want both braid you would want to ask for RG-214/u this is some OK
stuff for jumpers. But I still like the superflex just a bit better.
Very best of 73,
Russ, W3CH

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 Heliax cable for transmission line, superflex heliax for jumpers and
RG-142
 or RG-400 double shielded (both braid) coax for between the repeater and
the
 duplexer. No foil shield anywhere.

 Chuck
 WB2EDV


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  I have been told - do not use coax that has foil. Well, I am looking at
  LMR coax and it has foil. What are you repeaters
  owners/maintainers using?
 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Cabinet Suggestions

2004-11-27 Thread Neil McKie


  I believe not.  :) 

  Neil 

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 You mean that you don't want to give us your best regards's?
 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Cabinet Suggestions

2004-11-27 Thread Neil McKie


  I see, there must be more than one of you ... 

  Neil   


Q wrote:
 
 Actuaaly its 73's as in more than one best regard...LOL
 
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  You mean that you don't want to give us your best regards's?
 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Cabinet Suggestions

2004-11-27 Thread Neil McKie


tony dinkel wrote:
 
 During the early seventies, I was working for a 2-way radio shop 
 in the Los Angeles area.
 
 One very hot summer day, one of our customers complained his base 
 station had apparently quit so I was dispatched to repair it.  The 
 base was in a unventilated two car garage on a hill top.
 
 Sounds like the old Scudder Place?  Never got to go there in the 
 70's.  Did a couple of things there in the 80's though. 

  I don't remember the name of the place - but you could be quite 
 correct. 

 
 Got a few funny stories about the place on Apian Way just down the 
 street too! 

  So did I back then ... 

 
 td
 wb6mie 

  Good to see you on here from time to time ... 

  Neil - WA6KLA





 
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