Re: [Repeater-Builder] Transistor Checking
--- w9mwq [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just need a short memory replacement here please. I'm working on an Astron 35 amp power supply, hope to get it going again. I'm checking the transistors in the unit, and not sure if I remember correctly. On my vom, in the diode checking position, I should have a dead short from case to one pin, and nothing from case to the other pin, but should there be a reading from pin to pin. These are on the 2N3771 transistors. Thanks. There is no dead short on either of the pins to the case. One pin will have a low resistance one way and and a high resistance the other way. The same way from pin to pin. The other pin will have a very high risistance to the case in either direction. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Transistor Checking
Mathew, Depending on the meter that you have you should get a reading of between 400 and 700. My Fluke 77 shows 453 on most Astron's that I have serviced. If you have a short between any pin and case or between pins the transistor is defective and must be replaced. Also check the resistors in the output stage, as you will probably find one or more open. If the transistor blew to the base it probable took out the 723 as well. I most if not all cases we change out all the transistors and the 723. Only in a couple of cases did we find other damage that required more parts. Good Luck, Charles Miller - Original Message - From: w9mwq [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 4:02 AM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Transistor Checking Just need a short memory replacement here please. I'm working on an Astron 35 amp power supply, hope to get it going again. I'm checking the transistors in the unit, and not sure if I remember correctly. On my vom, in the diode checking position, I should have a dead short from case to one pin, and nothing from case to the other pin, but should there be a reading from pin to pin. These are on the 2N3771 transistors. Thanks. Mathew Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Rx is Better than TX, Why
At 1/24/2005 07:30 PM, you wrote: On Jan 24, 2005, at 18:28, w9mwq wrote: Ok, I know this sounds silly, but my repeater is now hearing better than it transmits. Here's the setup, the the issue. I have a Maggorie (no comments) HiPro transmiitter running 2 watts into a Vocom Amp running 160 Watts into the duplexer, 130 out to the antenna, fed with 7/8 hardline into a Diamond Dual Band Antenna at 92'. VSWR is 1.1:1, with 130 watts forward and 1/10 watt reflected at an impedance of 52 ohms, (MJF 259). I would vote for a failure of the Diamond antenna. I would bet one or more sets of the set screws holding the elements together have come loose. When this happens, the antenna will still present a perfect 50 ohm load, but perform poorly. Diamonds are okay antennas when they are new, but they have to be taken down every year or two, disassembled, cleaned and tightened up. Really only a decent antenna if you can get to it conveniently for the annual repair. You will never see this type of failure with the wattmeter or impedance bridge. Since this is a 2 meter system, it would make some sense that a partial antenna failure would result in the TX being degraded more than the RX. This is because of the relatively high noise floor on 2 meters. Any loss in the antenna system will directly impact the TX signal of course, but the same loss will cause both received signal noise to be reduced by the same amount. If the repeater RX has a very low noise figure, it's likely that the first couple of dB of loss in the antenna system will nearly equally drop both signal noise as seen by the RX, resulting in no perceived drop in RX performance. However, any mechanical failure of the antenna would likely also cause a high VSWR and/or desense, neither of which are present here. Bob NO6B Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Rx is Better than TX, Why
Nobody is asking the obvious. Where is the watt meter? If the watt meter is between the output of the duplexer and the antenna, sure it's going to present a 50 ohm load and a low SWR, but it says nothing about the state of the cable between the xmtr and the duplexer. Of course, I wouldn't think it would read 160 watts, but you would still want to check that cable to see if it's okay. 73, Chris, KG0BP - Original Message - From: Dave Gingrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Rx is Better than TX, Why On Jan 24, 2005, at 18:28, w9mwq wrote: Ok, I know this sounds silly, but my repeater is now hearing better than it transmits. Here's the setup, the the issue. I have a Maggorie (no comments) HiPro transmiitter running 2 watts into a Vocom Amp running 160 Watts into the duplexer, 130 out to the antenna, fed with 7/8 hardline into a Diamond Dual Band Antenna at 92'. VSWR is 1.1:1, with 130 watts forward and 1/10 watt reflected at an impedance of 52 ohms, (MJF 259). I would vote for a failure of the Diamond antenna. I would bet one or more sets of the set screws holding the elements together have come loose. When this happens, the antenna will still present a perfect 50 ohm load, but perform poorly. Diamonds are okay antennas when they are new, but they have to be taken down every year or two, disassembled, cleaned and tightened up. Really only a decent antenna if you can get to it conveniently for the annual repair. You will never see this type of failure with the wattmeter or impedance bridge. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Transistor Checking
Well here is the funny part. On one of the supplies, I did indeed find a bad 3771, but before I changed it, there was still 12 volts at the lugs. I then took the 723 and put it in another ps, which it caused the resistor connected to tip29 npn transistor to smoke. So back to the first power supply. I replaced the bad 3771, all the rest are ok, put in a new NTE923 chip, and now no voltage at all out the lugs. Pull the SCR from the bottom, left it hang, and still no voltage. Only thing left is the TIP29. Any thoughts. Mathew -Original Message- From: Charles Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 5:17 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Transistor Checking Mathew, Depending on the meter that you have you should get a reading of between 400 and 700. My Fluke 77 shows 453 on most Astron's that I have serviced. If you have a short between any pin and case or between pins the transistor is defective and must be replaced. Also check the resistors in the output stage, as you will probably find one or more open. If the transistor blew to the base it probable took out the 723 as well. I most if not all cases we change out all the transistors and the 723. Only in a couple of cases did we find other damage that required more parts. Good Luck, Charles Miller - Original Message - From: w9mwq [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 4:02 AM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Transistor Checking Just need a short memory replacement here please. I'm working on an Astron 35 amp power supply, hope to get it going again. I'm checking the transistors in the unit, and not sure if I remember correctly. On my vom, in the diode checking position, I should have a dead short from case to one pin, and nothing from case to the other pin, but should there be a reading from pin to pin. These are on the 2N3771 transistors. Thanks. Mathew Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] GM 300 Question
I have looked at the Motorola site and can not read any language but English. I am looking for the specs on the GM 300 vhf. I had it turned down to 15 watts. Can some one tell me about what it draws on Rx and Tx and 15 watts. Thank you. Rod KC7VQR Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GM 300 Question
Was it originally a 25, or 40 watt version?? A 40 watt version at 15 watts will most likely be spurious and inefficient (Motorola rates them down to 20 watts (50%)). The 25 watt version only draws a max of about 6 amps at 13.8 VDC, so it will probably be about 4.5-5 amps at that level. The 40 watt version will draw more, (and I believe it will even generate more heat). I hope that helps you out! James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have looked at the Motorola site and can not read any language but English. I am looking for the specs on the GM 300 vhf. I had it turned down to 15 watts. Can some one tell me about what it draws on Rx and Tx and 15 watts. Thank you. Rod KC7VQR Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GM 300 Question
Rod, The Service Manual for all models of the GM300 is 6880902Z32 and costs about $12. On Page 14 it states that a model M03GMC draws about 4.0A at 10 watts, and a model M33GMC draws about 7.0A at 25 watts. Based upon this information, I'd expect the latter model to draw around 5 amps when transmitting at 15 watts. It might be worthwhile to attach an ammeter to determine the exact current draw for your particular installation. All models draw about 400 mA during standby. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have looked at the Motorola site and can not read any language but English. I am looking for the specs on the GM 300 vhf. I had it turned down to 15 watts. Can some one tell me about what it draws on Rx and Tx and 15 watts. Thank you. Rod KC7VQR Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Rx is Better than TX, Why
What kind of duplexer has less than a db of loss? (I want one). Dave Baughn Director of Engineering The University of Alabama Center for Public Television and Radio Box 870150 Tuscaloosa, Alabama 35487 205.348.8622 cell 205-310-8798 NEW EMAIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/25/05 07:31PM At 1/24/2005 07:30 PM, you wrote: On Jan 24, 2005, at 18:28, w9mwq wrote: Ok, I know this sounds silly, but my repeater is now hearing better than it transmits. Here's the setup, the the issue. I have a Maggorie (no comments) HiPro transmiitter running 2 watts into a Vocom Amp running 160 Watts into the duplexer, 130 out to the antenna, fed with 7/8 hardline into a Diamond Dual Band Antenna at 92'. VSWR is 1.1:1, with 130 watts forward and 1/10 watt reflected at an impedance of 52 ohms, (MJF 259). I would vote for a failure of the Diamond antenna. I would bet one or more sets of the set screws holding the elements together have come loose. When this happens, the antenna will still present a perfect 50 ohm load, but perform poorly. Diamonds are okay antennas when they are new, but they have to be taken down every year or two, disassembled, cleaned and tightened up. Really only a decent antenna if you can get to it conveniently for the annual repair. You will never see this type of failure with the wattmeter or impedance bridge. Since this is a 2 meter system, it would make some sense that a partial antenna failure would result in the TX being degraded more than the RX. This is because of the relatively high noise floor on 2 meters. Any loss in the antenna system will directly impact the TX signal of course, but the same loss will cause both received signal noise to be reduced by the same amount. If the repeater RX has a very low noise figure, it's likely that the first couple of dB of loss in the antenna system will nearly equally drop both signal noise as seen by the RX, resulting in no perceived drop in RX performance. However, any mechanical failure of the antenna would likely also cause a high VSWR and/or desense, neither of which are present here. Bob NO6B Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Rx is Better than TX, Why
Where did you acquire that from this thread? My VSWR was after the duplexer? Mathew What kind of duplexer has less than a db of loss? (I want one). Dave Baughn Director of Engineering The University of Alabama Center for Public Television and Radio Box 870150 Tuscaloosa, Alabama 35487 205.348.8622 cell 205-310-8798 NEW EMAIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/25/05 07:31PM At 1/24/2005 07:30 PM, you wrote: On Jan 24, 2005, at 18:28, w9mwq wrote: Ok, I know this sounds silly, but my repeater is now hearing better than it transmits. Here's the setup, the the issue. I have a Maggorie (no comments) HiPro transmiitter running 2 watts into a Vocom Amp running 160 Watts into the duplexer, 130 out to the antenna, fed with 7/8 hardline into a Diamond Dual Band Antenna at 92'. VSWR is 1.1:1, with 130 watts forward and 1/10 watt reflected at an impedance of 52 ohms, (MJF 259). I would vote for a failure of the Diamond antenna. I would bet one or more sets of the set screws holding the elements together have come loose. When this happens, the antenna will still present a perfect 50 ohm load, but perform poorly. Diamonds are okay antennas when they are new, but they have to be taken down every year or two, disassembled, cleaned and tightened up. Really only a decent antenna if you can get to it conveniently for the annual repair. You will never see this type of failure with the wattmeter or impedance bridge. Since this is a 2 meter system, it would make some sense that a partial antenna failure would result in the TX being degraded more than the RX. This is because of the relatively high noise floor on 2 meters. Any loss in the antenna system will directly impact the TX signal of course, but the same loss will cause both received signal noise to be reduced by the same amount. If the repeater RX has a very low noise figure, it's likely that the first couple of dB of loss in the antenna system will nearly equally drop both signal noise as seen by the RX, resulting in no perceived drop in RX performance. However, any mechanical failure of the antenna would likely also cause a high VSWR and/or desense, neither of which are present here. Bob NO6B Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB224 Loop Lengths for 145.110Mhz?
Not only that but they don't seem to know what it means to read a catalog before they decide on what to send you either. Neil Mike Morris WA6ILQ wrote: At 05:55 AM 1/25/05, you wrote: Hi all I've followed this thread with great interest seeing that our club just purchased a DB224E to replace an aged stationmaster. Question...We ordered the 138-150 mHz model, Tessco part # 62446. Tessco is a out of sight, out of mind organization. They do not know what the phrase after-sale customer service means. There was nothing in the paperwork referencing element spacing or anything else along those lines. Yup. They pulled a box off the shelf and shipped it. Contact the factory and ask for a mounting diagram / spacing chart. Just info about pattern adjustment. Please go to this web page: http://www.repeater-builder.com/rbtip/ant-sys-index.html Then scroll down to Antennas then DB and if you have anything that isn't there already I'd like to get a copy. I told the Tessco rep our frequency, 146.730, and he said there is nothing to tune or do to the antenna...just set it It's the set it that is the critical part here. and forget it. That's true. I do realize that some of the comments during this discussion have been related to other models of the DB224, Yup. The person who started the thread is converting a commercial range antenna down to the ham band. He's going to need to stretch the elements and get a new harness, and at that point he'll have what you have. however, I fell compelled to ask if there is anything we should do to our antenna prior to installing it (will be checking all the bolts and nuts of course). Buy a tube of Locktite and use it liberally after the nuts and bolts are tight. Does the other thread that discussed the element spacing apply to my model? Yep. Get a factory spacing chart and use it. Are you going to side mount it or top mount it? If on the side, then the distance to the tower is very important as it will control your pattern. And if you side mount it and you have ANY appreciable wind or ice then GET A TOP BRACE MADE FOR THE JOB and use it. Thanks a bunch in advance Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB224 Loop Lengths for 145.110Mhz?
Are you guys actually calling Tessco and asking technical questions? Why? They are merely a warehouse. They don't make anything. If you have technical questions about a product, you call the manufacturer. We've had nothing but good from Tessco, but we don't expect them to know a product better, or even as well as, the people who made it. Their customer service seems just fine to us. We use them corporate-wide on a national level. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Neil McKie wrote: Not only that but they don't seem to know what it means to read a catalog before they decide on what to send you either. Neil Mike Morris WA6ILQ wrote: At 05:55 AM 1/25/05, you wrote: Hi all I've followed this thread with great interest seeing that our club just purchased a DB224E to replace an aged stationmaster. Question...We ordered the 138-150 mHz model, Tessco part # 62446. Tessco is a out of sight, out of mind organization. They do not know what the phrase after-sale customer service means. There was nothing in the paperwork referencing element spacing or anything else along those lines. Yup. They pulled a box off the shelf and shipped it. Contact the factory and ask for a mounting diagram / spacing chart. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Digest Number 2941
Now I've gotten 13.9 volts coming out of the power supply, but as soon as I put a load on it, the voltage drops out to nothing. Where to next. Mathew -Original Message- From: Jamey Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 6:27 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Digest Number 2941 I have had few where the TIP-29 was bad. Replaced the 723 and TIP-29 and solved my problem Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 18:05:45 -0800 From: Mathew Quaife [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Transistor Checking Well here is the funny part. On one of the supplies, I did indeed find a bad 3771, but before I changed it, there was still 12 volts at the lugs. I then took the 723 and put it in another ps, which it caused the resistor connected to tip29 npn transistor to smoke. So back to the first power supply. I replaced the bad 3771, all the rest are ok, put in a new NTE923 chip, and now no voltage at all out the lugs. Pull the SCR from the bottom, left it hang, and still no voltage. Only thing left is the TIP29. Any thoughts. Mathew Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Rx is Better than TX, Why
I have two TX-RX in service on UHF and they are : 28-70-02 (450-470 MHz) Type: 4 cavities 4 diameter Freq. spacing 5 MHz Insertion loss 0.6 dB Max. continuous power 350 watts Channel isolation 100+ dB These spects have been verified on the bench as well. 73 Richard D. Reese http://www.wa8dbw.ifip.com - Original Message - From: Dave Baughn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 11:14 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Rx is Better than TX, Why What kind of duplexer has less than a db of loss? (I want one). Dave Baughn Director of Engineering The University of Alabama Center for Public Television and Radio Box 870150 Tuscaloosa, Alabama 35487 205.348.8622 cell 205-310-8798 NEW EMAIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB224 Loop Lengths for 145.110Mhz?
Hello All, Tessco is fine and I would not say a bad word but. I buy things from time to time myself from them. I work for a smaller warehouse (Family owned) and they send all of us to seminars and sometimes factory training sessions on all products we carry. We do not employ order takers on the phone. Anyone here who answers the phone is an engineer! Yes people with a EE and or PE's (4 year degree) all with FCC GROL's. We are not the only company that does this and YES we can answer questions for people who call in and give them the right answer. We pride ourselves on this fact. There is a lot of smaller companies who provide this type of service and people just love the fact that they can call and ask a simple question and get a quick reply at no extra charge. Its called customer service. I hope we never lose it! We have lost enough in this great country without losing one more thing. Just my dimes worth on buying from a large box house. Dean Westbrook, EE,PE. Cook Towers, INC. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Digest Number 2941
I have had few where the TIP-29 was bad. Replaced the 723 and TIP-29 and solved my problem Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 18:05:45 -0800 From: Mathew Quaife [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Transistor Checking Well here is the funny part. On one of the supplies, I did indeed find a bad 3771, but before I changed it, there was still 12 volts at the lugs. I then took the 723 and put it in another ps, which it caused the resistor connected to tip29 npn transistor to smoke. So back to the first power supply. I replaced the bad 3771, all the rest are ok, put in a new NTE923 chip, and now no voltage at all out the lugs. Pull the SCR from the bottom, left it hang, and still no voltage. Only thing left is the TIP29. Any thoughts. Mathew Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Rx is Better than TX, Why
Dave is absolutely correct. The original post states 160 Watts in to the duplexer and 130 Watts out. That equates to less than a dB of loss through the duplexer ( .9 db to be more accurate ). Wade - KR7K Where did you acquire that from this thread? My VSWR was after the duplexer? Mathew What kind of duplexer has less than a db of loss? (I want one). Dave Baughn Director of Engineering The University of Alabama Center for Public Television and Radio Box 870150 Tuscaloosa, Alabama 35487 205.348.8622 cell 205-310-8798 NEW EMAIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/25/05 07:31PM At 1/24/2005 07:30 PM, you wrote: On Jan 24, 2005, at 18:28, w9mwq wrote: Ok, I know this sounds silly, but my repeater is now hearing better than it transmits. Here's the setup, the the issue. I have a Maggorie (no comments) HiPro transmiitter running 2 watts into a Vocom Amp running 160 Watts into the duplexer, 130 out to the antenna, fed with 7/8 hardline into a Diamond Dual Band Antenna at 92'. VSWR is 1.1:1, with 130 watts forward and 1/10 watt reflected at an impedance of 52 ohms, (MJF 259). I would vote for a failure of the Diamond antenna. I would bet one or more sets of the set screws holding the elements together have come loose. When this happens, the antenna will still present a perfect 50 ohm load, but perform poorly. Diamonds are okay antennas when they are new, but they have to be taken down every year or two, disassembled, cleaned and tightened up. Really only a decent antenna if you can get to it conveniently for the annual repair. You will never see this type of failure with the wattmeter or impedance bridge. Since this is a 2 meter system, it would make some sense that a partial antenna failure would result in the TX being degraded more than the RX. This is because of the relatively high noise floor on 2 meters. Any loss in the antenna system will directly impact the TX signal of course, but the same loss will cause both received signal noise to be reduced by the same amount. If the repeater RX has a very low noise figure, it's likely that the first couple of dB of loss in the antenna system will nearly equally drop both signal noise as seen by the RX, resulting in no perceived drop in RX performance. However, any mechanical failure of the antenna would likely also cause a high VSWR and/or desense, neither of which are present here. Bob NO6B Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Rx is Better than TX, Why
H, let me go back and double check that, might could be a problem there, as one said, what about the cable before the duplexer's. All I know is most of this started after the power supply took a dump, might be it killed something, or my astron 70 amp is not up to par. Will retake the measurements and give them again. Mathew -Original Message- From: Wade Lake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:25 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Rx is Better than TX, Why Dave is absolutely correct. The original post states 160 Watts in to the duplexer and 130 Watts out. That equates to less than a dB of loss through the duplexer ( .9 db to be more accurate ). Wade - KR7K Where did you acquire that from this thread? My VSWR was after the duplexer? Mathew What kind of duplexer has less than a db of loss? (I want one). Dave Baughn Director of Engineering The University of Alabama Center for Public Television and Radio Box 870150 Tuscaloosa, Alabama 35487 205.348.8622 cell 205-310-8798 NEW EMAIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/25/05 07:31PM At 1/24/2005 07:30 PM, you wrote: On Jan 24, 2005, at 18:28, w9mwq wrote: Ok, I know this sounds silly, but my repeater is now hearing better than it transmits. Here's the setup, the the issue. I have a Maggorie (no comments) HiPro transmiitter running 2 watts into a Vocom Amp running 160 Watts into the duplexer, 130 out to the antenna, fed with 7/8 hardline into a Diamond Dual Band Antenna at 92'. VSWR is 1.1:1, with 130 watts forward and 1/10 watt reflected at an impedance of 52 ohms, (MJF 259). I would vote for a failure of the Diamond antenna. I would bet one or more sets of the set screws holding the elements together have come loose. When this happens, the antenna will still present a perfect 50 ohm load, but perform poorly. Diamonds are okay antennas when they are new, but they have to be taken down every year or two, disassembled, cleaned and tightened up. Really only a decent antenna if you can get to it conveniently for the annual repair. You will never see this type of failure with the wattmeter or impedance bridge. Since this is a 2 meter system, it would make some sense that a partial antenna failure would result in the TX being degraded more than the RX. This is because of the relatively high noise floor on 2 meters. Any loss in the antenna system will directly impact the TX signal of course, but the same loss will cause both received signal noise to be reduced by the same amount. If the repeater RX has a very low noise figure, it's likely that the first couple of dB of loss in the antenna system will nearly equally drop both signal noise as seen by the RX, resulting in no perceived drop in RX performance. However, any mechanical failure of the antenna would likely also cause a high VSWR and/or desense, neither of which are present here. Bob NO6B Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder]Large box houses!
Folks, I feel the same way. If you buy a Car from your local dealer do you have to call the factory to ask a question? Silly! Well it is the same thing. You buy an antenna or any thing from a dealer you should not have to call the factory to get an answer to a question. I am with Dean on this one. If I spend my hard earned money on a car or and antenna or even a repeater I darn sure better be able to get an answer to a question! This sell it and forget you is not good. I also buy some things from TESSCO, Hutton and Talley. All nice people and as long as I have no questions all goes well. But it is nice to know that some one can answer a question or two. Just my 25 cents worth smile. Very best of 73, Russ, W3CH Trustee, Metro-Comm, INC. W3PS repeater network. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB224 "Loop" Lengths for 145.110Mhz? Hello All, Tessco is fine and I would not say a bad word but. I buy things from time to time myself from them. I work for a smaller warehouse (Family owned) and they send all of us to seminars and sometimes factory training sessions on all products we carry. We do not employ order takers on the phone. Anyone here who answers the phone is an engineer! Yes people with a EE and or PE's (4 year degree) all with FCC GROL's. We are not the only company that does this and YES we can answer questions for people who call in and give them the right answer. We pride ourselves on this fact. There is a lot of smaller companies who provide this type of service and people just love the fact that they can call and ask a simple question and get a quick reply at no extra charge. Its called customer service. I hope we never lose it! We have lost enough in this great country without losing one more thing. Just my dimes worth on buying from a large box house. Dean Westbrook, EE,PE. Cook Towers, INC. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB224
You may know the answers, but it is not easy to get them out of you. It took me three weeks to find out that COR was on pin 25 and not pin 24 like you had been telling me. Dave, K5EYP Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB224 Loop Lengths for 145.110Mhz? Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:52:06 EST Hello All, Tessco is fine and I would not say a bad word but. I buy things from time to time myself from them. I work for a smaller warehouse (Family owned) and they send all of us to seminars and sometimes factory training sessions on all products we carry. We do not employ order takers on the phone. Anyone here who answers the phone is an engineer! Yes people with a EE and or PE's (4 year degree) all with FCC GROL's. We are not the only company that does this and YES we can answer questions for people who call in and give them the right answer. We pride ourselves on this fact. There is a lot of smaller companies who provide this type of service and people just love the fact that they can call and ask a simple question and get a quick reply at no extra charge. Its called customer service. I hope we never lose it! We have lost enough in this great country without losing one more thing. Just my dimes worth on buying from a large box house. Dean Westbrook, EE,PE. Cook Towers, INC. __ Message transport security by GatewayDefender.com 9:52:35 AM ET - 1/26/2005 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Pinout needed for the Kenwood PG-4H cable (for RBI-1)
Ken, speaking of the Kenwood remote bases, do you manufacture a board, or a kit for the remote base interface for the G707's etc? If so, how much. Also, has any consideration been made of developing a USB port programming solution? My laptop does not have a serial port! :-( Mike Ken Arck wrote: At 02:31 AM 1/25/2005 -, you wrote: I know but I have all of the parts here ready to solder and the radios are built into such a cool rack mount panel. I really want the cables to be an exact length and dressed so nicely. Besides with the correct pinout I could be done in an hour instead of waiting weeks for the shippment. ---Take a look at the RBI manual and schematic. It has the pins on the RJ45 labeled as to function. Then check the Kenwood manual and the connections should be quite obvious. That's how I did it and it works fine. Ken -- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of state-of-the-art repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.ah6le.net/arcom/index.html We now offer complete Kenwood TKR repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Pinout needed for the Kenwood PG-4H cable (for RBI-1)
At 02:12 PM 1/26/2005 -0500, you wrote: Ken, speaking of the Kenwood remote bases, do you manufacture a board, or a kit for the remote base interface for the G707's etc? If so, how much. Afraid not, Mike. In order to justify the costs of having pc boards made, there needs to be a certain amount of interest. Many folks seem to prefer building their own up on perf board (and the interface is actually quite simple, it can be built in under an hour) or we've been known to custom build one for a customer from time to time as well. Contact me offlist if you're interested. Also, has any consideration been made of developing a USB port programming solution? My laptop does not have a serial port! :-( Mike While some users have reported good success with using a USB port (or a PCMCIA serial port), we're adding direct USB support to both RCP and Updater. That will be coming soon :-) Ken -- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of state-of-the-art repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.ah6le.net/arcom/index.html We now offer complete Kenwood TKR repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB224
Dave, Letsget the whole story out. You your self told me you bought the controller not from us! You said you got all the program info from them! You told me you got no help or support from them. I called you to ask how you made out. You told me that the repeater we sold you worked 100% But you could not get it to work with your controller. I faxed you over my cheat sheet and I even told you to send it here and I would hook it up for you at no charge. If you do not think any of this is true a reminder that all of our phones are taped. So let us tell the whole truth not a half truth or I can send out a wave file. I and the company all ways try to help when we can. In your case I should have told you if it is not in the repeater as ordered I can't help. Then I would not get my finger bit off for trying to help with a product we did not sell. Like I said you your self said the repeater worked fine. The wait was that they gave you the wrong program info for hooking there controller up to our repeater. Enough said. I would be darn careful before you put out any more half truth on a public list. For you could easy be made a fool. Remember our phones have you on them. As for your wrong pin also a half truth as that came from the controller folks as did the cable. It was my cheat sheet that was right. I will take this off the list and write you direct. Dean Westbrook, EE, PE. Cook Towers, INC. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB224
Good that you taped our conversations. A federal offense, you know, for not informing me that you were doing so. Play the tapes for the list so that they can hear you in person, for three weeks, repeatedly confirm that pin 24 was COR and that AUX Output 5 should be set to COR and Active High. On last Friday, you directed me to set AUX Out 5 to TXS and Active High. That didn't work either. On the cheat sheet you finally faxed to me on Monday, (after I threatened to send the repeater back to you and not pay you for it), you finally identified pin 25 as COR; pin 24 as TOR. On the program settings you were just as wrong as you were on the pin 24 COR. You indicated on your cheat sheet that the proper program settings for Operating Mode was No. When I informed you that no such selection was available on the software you sent with the repeater, you said that it was on your software and to just set it to Simplex. Wrong again. Simplex didn't work. Duplex, the only other choice does work quite nicely, thank you. You also finally indicated, on your now famous, cheat sheet that in the program AUX Out 5 needed to be set to TOR and Active High and that it was AUX Out 6 that needed to be set COR and Active High. That was the first time you mentioned AUX Out 6. What you failed to indicate is that under the AUX tab of the Function Port Settings there is no AUX In/Out unless you designate AUX 6 In/Out as Output on the preceding tab labeled AUX Select. (Comes as Input as default. So after all the driving back and forth to the repeater site for three weeks, (sometimes twice a day), and the countless calls to you and to Computer Automation Control, it finally works the way it should have the first time if you knew what you were doing and would be more interested in listening carefully to a question, thinking about the right answer and then giving the right answer the first time. Instead, because I didn't buy the controller from us, I got what you read above. Play the tapes for all concerned. They will get a kick out of how a graduate EE, PE, GROL, Esq., ESPN can guess so wrong, so many times even with all of his training and claims to have commissioned over 2,500 repeaters while I contemplate whether what legal action would be appropriate. By the way. Where is the circulator that I paid $253.50 + shipping for and was to be shipped 1/12/05? (Kathy Cook's letter, dated 1/7/05) Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB224 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:52:58 EST Dave, Lets get the whole story out. You your self told me you bought the controller not from us! You said you got all the program info from them! You told me you got no help or support from them. I called you to ask how you made out. You told me that the repeater we sold you worked 100% But you could not get it to work with your controller. I faxed you over my cheat sheet and I even told you to send it here and I would hook it up for you at no charge. If you do not think any of this is true a reminder that all of our phones are taped. So let us tell the whole truth not a half truth or I can send out a wave file. I and the company all ways try to help when we can. In your case I should have told you if it is not in the repeater as ordered I can't help. Then I would not get my finger bit off for trying to help with a product we did not sell. Like I said you your self said the repeater worked fine. The wait was that they gave you the wrong program info for hooking there controller up to our repeater. Enough said. I would be darn careful before you put out any more half truth on a public list. For you could easy be made a fool. Remember our phones have you on them. As for your wrong pin also a half truth as that came from the controller folks as did the cable. It was my cheat sheet that was right. I will take this off the list and write you direct. Dean Westbrook, EE, PE. Cook Towers, INC. __ Message transport security by GatewayDefender.com 3:53:01 PM ET - 1/26/2005 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB224
WOW! Sounds like Dave got his hand caught in the cookie jar. For those few on the list who do not know Dean. You mite have tried to remember where you herd the name. He worked for Motorola's design team for many years. He is a good church going person and onereal nice guy. He really knows his stuff. He is not a Ham sad to say but is in to GMRS. As for helping. He has helped me more then once. Last week end in the middle of the big snow storm he took a ride with me up to South MT. PA. I had called him to ask about solar cells just to pick his brain. He told me to pick him up and he would love to take a ride. Well 3 hours latter we where up at the tower site. The solar controller had taken a dump. We (mostly he) fixed it and it is working just fine. He would not take any pay or even let me buy him dinner. He just likes to help. At work he is the same way. He will help any one working or not. He just loves radio. One thing I have found is that if he tells you something you can go to the bank with it. Because it is 100% write or he will find the answer and get back to you. So as for Dave's blurb. NO WAY BUDDY! I am real sure that many on this list have many of there own Dean helped them out stories. I called over to there office but Dean had left early for the day. Old saying its not nice to bit the guys hand who helps you there are not many left. Plus you should not put things like that on a list you should just be a man and call that person. Very best of 73, Russ, W3CH - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB224 Dave, Letsget the whole story out. You your self told me you bought the controller not from us! You said you got all the program info from them! You told me you got no help or support from them. I called you to ask how you made out. You told me that the repeater we sold you worked 100% But you could not get it to work with your controller. I faxed you over my cheat sheet and I even told you to send it here and I would hook it up for you at no charge. If you do not think any of this is true a reminder that all of our phones are taped. So let us tell the whole truth not a half truth or I can send out a wave file. I and the company all ways try to help when we can. In your case I should have told you if it is not in the repeater as ordered I can't help. Then I would not get my finger bit off for trying to help with a product we did not sell. Like I said you your self said the repeater worked fine. The wait was that they gave you the wrong program info for hooking there controller up to our repeater. Enough said. I would be darn careful before you put out any more half truth on a public list. For you could easy be made a fool. Remember our phones have you on them. As for your wrong pin also a half truth as that came from the controller folks as did the cable. It was my cheat sheet that was right. I will take this off the list and write you direct. Dean Westbrook, EE, PE. Cook Towers, INC. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB224
Russ, You don't remember, but it was on your recommendation that I called Cook Towers in the first place. Ask Dean to play the tapes and I'll FAX his cheat sheet to you, if you like. Wrong; wrong; wrong! Also, please run your emails through a spell checker before you send them. Thanks! Dave, K5EYP Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB224 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:45:25 -0500 WOW! Sounds like Dave got his hand caught in the cookie jar. For those few on the list who do not know Dean. You mite have tried to remember where you herd the name. He worked for Motorola's design team for many years. He is a good church going person and one real nice guy. He really knows his stuff. He is not a Ham sad to say but is in to GMRS. As for helping. He has helped me more then once. Last week end in the middle of the big snow storm he took a ride with me up to South MT. PA. I had called him to ask about solar cells just to pick his brain. He told me to pick him up and he would love to take a ride. Well 3 hours latter we where up at the tower site. The solar controller had taken a dump. We (mostly he) fixed it and it is working just fine. He would not take any pay or even let me buy him dinner. He just likes to help. At work he is the same way. He will help any one working or not. He just loves radio. One thing I have found is that if he tells you something you can go to the bank with it. Because it is 100% write or he will find the answer and get back to you. So as for Dave's blurb. NO WAY BUDDY! I am real sure that many on this list have many of there own Dean helped them out stories. I called over to there office but Dean had left early for the day. Old saying its not nice to bit the guys hand who helps you there are not many left. Plus you should not put things like that on a list you should just be a man and call that person. Very best of 73, Russ, W3CH - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB224 Dave, Lets get the whole story out. You your self told me you bought the controller not from us! You said you got all the program info from them! You told me you got no help or support from them. I called you to ask how you made out. You told me that the repeater we sold you worked 100% But you could not get it to work with your controller. I faxed you over my cheat sheet and I even told you to send it here and I would hook it up for you at no charge. If you do not think any of this is true a reminder that all of our phones are taped. So let us tell the whole truth not a half truth or I can send out a wave file. I and the company all ways try to help when we can. In your case I should have told you if it is not in the repeater as ordered I can't help. Then I would not get my finger bit off for trying to help with a product we did not sell. Like I said you your self said the repeater worked fine. The wait was that they gave you the wrong program info for hooking there controller up to our repeater. Enough said. I would be darn careful before you put out any more half truth on a public list. For you could easy be made a fool. Remember our phones have you on them. As for your wrong pin also a half truth as that came from the controller folks as did the cable. It was my cheat sheet that was right. I will take this off the list and write you direct. Dean Westbrook, EE, PE. Cook Towers, INC. -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __ Message transport security by GatewayDefender.com 4:43:44 PM ET - 1/26/2005 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB224
I will let Dean reply to this one but when you call it tells you the phones are taped. I guess you are trying to air your half truths and this is not the place. Why don't you call them and not air it on this list? Like I said you are not a Man to hide behind a key BD. Take it up off the list. I am sure the tape they have will not make you sound to good. And besides the wrong info it says came from your controller people why blast the folks who did help you this is just not right. Take it some where and tell some one who will belive your BS! We won't. Russ, W3CH - Original Message - From: David Robichaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB224 Good that you taped our conversations. A federal offense, you know, for not informing me that you were doing so. Play the tapes for the list so that they can hear you in person, for three weeks, repeatedly confirm that pin 24 was COR and that AUX Output 5 should be set to COR and Active High. On last Friday, you directed me to set AUX Out 5 to TXS and Active High. That didn't work either. On the cheat sheet you finally faxed to me on Monday, (after I threatened to send the repeater back to you and not pay you for it), you finally identified pin 25 as COR; pin 24 as TOR. On the program settings you were just as wrong as you were on the pin 24 COR. You indicated on your cheat sheet that the proper program settings for Operating Mode was No. When I informed you that no such selection was available on the software you sent with the repeater, you said that it was on your software and to just set it to Simplex. Wrong again. Simplex didn't work. Duplex, the only other choice does work quite nicely, thank you. You also finally indicated, on your now famous, cheat sheet that in the program AUX Out 5 needed to be set to TOR and Active High and that it was AUX Out 6 that needed to be set COR and Active High. That was the first time you mentioned AUX Out 6. What you failed to indicate is that under the AUX tab of the Function Port Settings there is no AUX In/Out unless you designate AUX 6 In/Out as Output on the preceding tab labeled AUX Select. (Comes as Input as default. So after all the driving back and forth to the repeater site for three weeks, (sometimes twice a day), and the countless calls to you and to Computer Automation Control, it finally works the way it should have the first time if you knew what you were doing and would be more interested in listening carefully to a question, thinking about the right answer and then giving the right answer the first time. Instead, because I didn't buy the controller from us, I got what you read above. Play the tapes for all concerned. They will get a kick out of how a graduate EE, PE, GROL, Esq., ESPN can guess so wrong, so many times even with all of his training and claims to have commissioned over 2,500 repeaters while I contemplate whether what legal action would be appropriate. By the way. Where is the circulator that I paid $253.50 + shipping for and was to be shipped 1/12/05? (Kathy Cook's letter, dated 1/7/05) Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB224 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:52:58 EST Dave, Lets get the whole story out. You your self told me you bought the controller not from us! You said you got all the program info from them! You told me you got no help or support from them. I called you to ask how you made out. You told me that the repeater we sold you worked 100% But you could not get it to work with your controller. I faxed you over my cheat sheet and I even told you to send it here and I would hook it up for you at no charge. If you do not think any of this is true a reminder that all of our phones are taped. So let us tell the whole truth not a half truth or I can send out a wave file. I and the company all ways try to help when we can. In your case I should have told you if it is not in the repeater as ordered I can't help. Then I would not get my finger bit off for trying to help with a product we did not sell. Like I said you your self said the repeater worked fine. The wait was that they gave you the wrong program info for hooking there controller up to our repeater. Enough said. I would be darn careful before you put out any more half truth on a public list. For you could easy be made a fool. Remember our phones have you on them. As for your wrong pin also a half truth as that came from the controller folks as did the cable. It was my cheat sheet that was right. I will take this off the list and write you direct. Dean Westbrook, EE, PE. Cook Towers, INC. __ Message transport security by
[Repeater-Builder] RE: Account overdue. Not a good person.
As usual, you're wrong again. I will send each of your emails to the list. I asked for you to ship the repeater overnight. Kathy Cook quoted me a price differential of $ 115.65. I paid with my credit card the amount requested. Three days later she called and said that UPS was now charging her more than she quoted for the overnight shipment. I asked her to send me a copy of the invoice and I would submit it to the County to see if they would pay it. I have now changed my mind. I will not submit it to the County since you have now told me that I'm on the no service list. That's customer service at its best. You deal with UPS on the issue and please, don't call and threaten me again. Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Account overdue. Not a good person. Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:47:15 EST Dave, After reading your hurtful remark on repeater builders I told my boss. Guess what you are on the no service list. You owe Cook Towers for a back invoice you have not paid and they have called you on. It is over 16 days not paid. Bet you won't tell that to folks on repeater builder. Your post I find very hurtful after I went out of my way to help you! Even late passed 17:00 on one night to help. I only get paid till 17:00 eastern as Cook closes at 17:00 eastern. As for your wrong pin that came from CAT not me. Once again your on tape telling me that from CAT. Also it was not three weeks as you stated. Your repeater is just that old. I also have you saying that the Kenwood TKR-850 is working very well and how much you like the auto. Once again we do not support any thing we do not sell and hooking someone else's controller to a repeater is not of our concern it is yours and yours alone. We just helped you at no charge because you needed help. Well if the Kenwood TKR-850 has any problems for the next 2 years call us and we will 100% support it. Any thing you did not buy from us I wish you well but I (we) will NOT help you on any thing you did not buy from here. Dean Westbrook Cook Towers, INC. cc: Ed Cook Kathy Cook __ Message transport security by GatewayDefender.com 4:14:02 PM ET - 1/26/2005 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB224
I called Mr. Cook and he chose to hang up on me. Thanks for your advice on this matter. I find it is just as good as the advice you gave me to contact Cook Towers in the first place. Thanks again. Dave, K5EYP Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB224 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:05:33 -0500 I will let Dean reply to this one but when you call it tells you the phones are taped. I guess you are trying to air your half truths and this is not the place. Why don't you call them and not air it on this list? Like I said you are not a Man to hide behind a key BD. Take it up off the list. I am sure the tape they have will not make you sound to good. And besides the wrong info it says came from your controller people why blast the folks who did help you this is just not right. Take it some where and tell some one who will belive your BS! We won't. Russ, W3CH - Original Message - From: David Robichaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB224 Good that you taped our conversations. A federal offense, you know, for not informing me that you were doing so. Play the tapes for the list so that they can hear you in person, for three weeks, repeatedly confirm that pin 24 was COR and that AUX Output 5 should be set to COR and Active High. On last Friday, you directed me to set AUX Out 5 to TXS and Active High. That didn't work either. On the cheat sheet you finally faxed to me on Monday, (after I threatened to send the repeater back to you and not pay you for it), you finally identified pin 25 as COR; pin 24 as TOR. On the program settings you were just as wrong as you were on the pin 24 COR. You indicated on your cheat sheet that the proper program settings for Operating Mode was No. When I informed you that no such selection was available on the software you sent with the repeater, you said that it was on your software and to just set it to Simplex. Wrong again. Simplex didn't work. Duplex, the only other choice does work quite nicely, thank you. You also finally indicated, on your now famous, cheat sheet that in the program AUX Out 5 needed to be set to TOR and Active High and that it was AUX Out 6 that needed to be set COR and Active High. That was the first time you mentioned AUX Out 6. What you failed to indicate is that under the AUX tab of the Function Port Settings there is no AUX In/Out unless you designate AUX 6 In/Out as Output on the preceding tab labeled AUX Select. (Comes as Input as default. So after all the driving back and forth to the repeater site for three weeks, (sometimes twice a day), and the countless calls to you and to Computer Automation Control, it finally works the way it should have the first time if you knew what you were doing and would be more interested in listening carefully to a question, thinking about the right answer and then giving the right answer the first time. Instead, because I didn't buy the controller from us, I got what you read above. Play the tapes for all concerned. They will get a kick out of how a graduate EE, PE, GROL, Esq., ESPN can guess so wrong, so many times even with all of his training and claims to have commissioned over 2,500 repeaters while I contemplate whether what legal action would be appropriate. By the way. Where is the circulator that I paid $253.50 + shipping for and was to be shipped 1/12/05? (Kathy Cook's letter, dated 1/7/05) Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB224 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:52:58 EST Dave, Lets get the whole story out. You your self told me you bought the controller not from us! You said you got all the program info from them! You told me you got no help or support from them. I called you to ask how you made out. You told me that the repeater we sold you worked 100% But you could not get it to work with your controller. I faxed you over my cheat sheet and I even told you to send it here and I would hook it up for you at no charge. If you do not think any of this is true a reminder that all of our phones are taped. So let us tell the whole truth not a half truth or I can send out a wave file. I and the company all ways try to help when we can. In your case I should have told you if it is not in the repeater as ordered I can't help. Then I would not get my finger bit off for trying to help with a product we did not sell. Like I said you your self said the repeater worked fine. The wait was that they gave you the wrong program info for hooking there controller up to our repeater. Enough said. I would be darn careful before you put out any more half truth on a public list. For you could easy be made a
[Repeater-Builder] A bad Ham!
Dave and the group, I am sorry that this guy will not answer his phone I have tried to call him by phone. I will not reply to any more of this on the list. Dave if you are a man and would like to call me direct my number is 856-881-6777 BTW a review and at no time did I tell you pin 24! You did tell me that your info from the controllers people said that. So give me a call Sorry once again to the list. Dean, Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [Repeater-Builder] A bad Ham!
I have called today and talked to you today when you answered the phone. Your response when I identified myself was a customer reassuring, You're the last person I want to talk to today. I asked for Mr. Cook, as I was returning his call to me. I told him I was not paying for his wife's error on shipping cost and he hung up on me. Great customer service, I must say. Thanks again Dean. Dave, K5EYP Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] A bad Ham! Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:03:25 EST Dave and the group, I am sorry that this guy will not answer his phone I have tried to call him by phone. I will not reply to any more of this on the list. Dave if you are a man and would like to call me direct my number is 856-881-6777 BTW a review and at no time did I tell you pin 24! You did tell me that your info from the controllers people said that. So give me a call Sorry once again to the list. Dean, __ Message transport security by GatewayDefender.com 5:06:17 PM ET - 1/26/2005 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB224
Russ, Why not let them discuss the subject alone? We have no first hand knowledge of the situation in question (I know I don't, and I seriously doubt you do either), so our input is not helpful. This is not the time to promote either party, take sides publicly, or to draw conclusions and make judgments. It is also not the time to jump on the bandwagon for either party. They are big boys and can speak for themselves. I will say that I don't know what this has to do with a DB224... Joe M. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB224
Could you fine people PLEASE take this dispute/debate off list? TIA and 73, Kevin, K9HX At 05:14 PM 1/26/2005, you wrote: Russ, Why not let them discuss the subject alone? We have no first hand knowledge of the situation in question (I know I don't, and I seriously doubt you do either), so our input is not helpful. This is not the time to promote either party, take sides publicly, or to draw conclusions and make judgments. It is also not the time to jump on the bandwagon for either party. They are big boys and can speak for themselves. I will say that I don't know what this has to do with a DB224... Joe M. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB224
I agree! I have been saying the same thing in the passed two e-mails. 73 Russ - Original Message - From: Kevin Berlen, K9HX [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB224 Could you fine people PLEASE take this dispute/debate off list? TIA and 73, Kevin, K9HX At 05:14 PM 1/26/2005, you wrote: Russ, Why not let them discuss the subject alone? We have no first hand knowledge of the situation in question (I know I don't, and I seriously doubt you do either), so our input is not helpful. This is not the time to promote either party, take sides publicly, or to draw conclusions and make judgments. It is also not the time to jump on the bandwagon for either party. They are big boys and can speak for themselves. I will say that I don't know what this has to do with a DB224... Joe M. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB224
All true, I am going over tomorrow to see 1st hand what is going on and now that Dave said that I can hear the tapes in his e-mail they will play it. BTW it is so un-like Dean to give bad info. That is all I will say about this, He (Dave) owes them money and started a pile of crap in lew of payment. That I know for a fact. Very best of 73, Russ, W3CH - Original Message - From: mch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB224 Russ, Why not let them discuss the subject alone? We have no first hand knowledge of the situation in question (I know I don't, and I seriously doubt you do either), so our input is not helpful. This is not the time to promote either party, take sides publicly, or to draw conclusions and make judgments. It is also not the time to jump on the bandwagon for either party. They are big boys and can speak for themselves. I will say that I don't know what this has to do with a DB224... Joe M. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB224
I am sorry I did! I did not know you would try to stick them! This is my last post on this subject! You need to call them and be civil. - Original Message - From: David Robichaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB224 Russ, You don't remember, but it was on your recommendation that I called Cook Towers in the first place. Ask Dean to play the tapes and I'll FAX his cheat sheet to you, if you like. Wrong; wrong; wrong! Also, please run your emails through a spell checker before you send them. Thanks! Dave, K5EYP Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB224 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:45:25 -0500 WOW! Sounds like Dave got his hand caught in the cookie jar. For those few on the list who do not know Dean. You mite have tried to remember where you herd the name. He worked for Motorola's design team for many years. He is a good church going person and one real nice guy. He really knows his stuff. He is not a Ham sad to say but is in to GMRS. As for helping. He has helped me more then once. Last week end in the middle of the big snow storm he took a ride with me up to South MT. PA. I had called him to ask about solar cells just to pick his brain. He told me to pick him up and he would love to take a ride. Well 3 hours latter we where up at the tower site. The solar controller had taken a dump. We (mostly he) fixed it and it is working just fine. He would not take any pay or even let me buy him dinner. He just likes to help. At work he is the same way. He will help any one working or not. He just loves radio. One thing I have found is that if he tells you something you can go to the bank with it. Because it is 100% write or he will find the answer and get back to you. So as for Dave's blurb. NO WAY BUDDY! I am real sure that many on this list have many of there own Dean helped them out stories. I called over to there office but Dean had left early for the day. Old saying its not nice to bit the guys hand who helps you there are not many left. Plus you should not put things like that on a list you should just be a man and call that person. Very best of 73, Russ, W3CH - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB224 Dave, Lets get the whole story out. You your self told me you bought the controller not from us! You said you got all the program info from them! You told me you got no help or support from them. I called you to ask how you made out. You told me that the repeater we sold you worked 100% But you could not get it to work with your controller. I faxed you over my cheat sheet and I even told you to send it here and I would hook it up for you at no charge. If you do not think any of this is true a reminder that all of our phones are taped. So let us tell the whole truth not a half truth or I can send out a wave file. I and the company all ways try to help when we can. In your case I should have told you if it is not in the repeater as ordered I can't help. Then I would not get my finger bit off for trying to help with a product we did not sell. Like I said you your self said the repeater worked fine. The wait was that they gave you the wrong program info for hooking there controller up to our repeater. Enough said. I would be darn careful before you put out any more half truth on a public list. For you could easy be made a fool. Remember our phones have you on them. As for your wrong pin also a half truth as that came from the controller folks as did the cable. It was my cheat sheet that was right. I will take this off the list and write you direct. Dean Westbrook, EE, PE. Cook Towers, INC. -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __ Message transport security by GatewayDefender.com 4:43:44 PM ET - 1/26/2005 Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB224
Still not using the spell checker, I see. Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB224 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:41:23 -0500 I agree! I have been saying the same thing in the passed two e-mails. 73 Russ - Original Message - From: Kevin Berlen, K9HX [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB224 Could you fine people PLEASE take this dispute/debate off list? TIA and 73, Kevin, K9HX At 05:14 PM 1/26/2005, you wrote: Russ, Why not let them discuss the subject alone? We have no first hand knowledge of the situation in question (I know I don't, and I seriously doubt you do either), so our input is not helpful. This is not the time to promote either party, take sides publicly, or to draw conclusions and make judgments. It is also not the time to jump on the bandwagon for either party. They are big boys and can speak for themselves. I will say that I don't know what this has to do with a DB224... Joe M. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links __ Message transport security by GatewayDefender.com 5:34:58 PM ET - 1/26/2005 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB224
It's lieu not lew, Russ. The payment terms on the repeater sold to the county is 30 days from invoice. It will be paid by the county as agreed. They will not, however, pay for Cook Tower's mistake on the freight charge. Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB224 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:45:42 -0500 All true, I am going over tomorrow to see 1st hand what is going on and now that Dave said that I can hear the tapes in his e-mail they will play it. BTW it is so un-like Dean to give bad info. That is all I will say about this, He (Dave) owes them money and started a pile of crap in lew of payment. That I know for a fact. Very best of 73, Russ, W3CH - Original Message - From: mch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB224 Russ, Why not let them discuss the subject alone? We have no first hand knowledge of the situation in question (I know I don't, and I seriously doubt you do either), so our input is not helpful. This is not the time to promote either party, take sides publicly, or to draw conclusions and make judgments. It is also not the time to jump on the bandwagon for either party. They are big boys and can speak for themselves. I will say that I don't know what this has to do with a DB224... Joe M. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links __ Message transport security by GatewayDefender.com 5:36:04 PM ET - 1/26/2005 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB224
This is getting old!!! - Original Message - From: David Robichaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB224 It's lieu not lew, Russ. The payment terms on the repeater sold to the county is 30 days from invoice. It will be paid by the county as agreed. They will not, however, pay for Cook Tower's mistake on the freight charge. Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB224 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:45:42 -0500 All true, I am going over tomorrow to see 1st hand what is going on and now that Dave said that I can hear the tapes in his e-mail they will play it. BTW it is so un-like Dean to give bad info. That is all I will say about this, He (Dave) owes them money and started a pile of crap in lew of payment. That I know for a fact. Very best of 73, Russ, W3CH - Original Message - From: mch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB224 Russ, Why not let them discuss the subject alone? We have no first hand knowledge of the situation in question (I know I don't, and I seriously doubt you do either), so our input is not helpful. This is not the time to promote either party, take sides publicly, or to draw conclusions and make judgments. It is also not the time to jump on the bandwagon for either party. They are big boys and can speak for themselves. I will say that I don't know what this has to do with a DB224... Joe M. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links __ Message transport security by GatewayDefender.com 5:36:04 PM ET - 1/26/2005 Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] RE: Account overdue. Not a good person.
When did this group change to Cook Towers business forum? - Original Message - From: David Robichaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 5:05 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] RE: Account overdue. Not a good person. As usual, you're wrong again. I will send each of your emails to the list. I asked for you to ship the repeater overnight. Kathy Cook quoted me a price differential of $ 115.65. I paid with my credit card the amount requested. Three days later she called and said that UPS was now charging her more than she quoted for the overnight shipment. I asked her to send me a copy of the invoice and I would submit it to the County to see if they would pay it. I have now changed my mind. I will not submit it to the County since you have now told me that I'm on the no service list. That's customer service at its best. You deal with UPS on the issue and please, don't call and threaten me again. Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Account overdue. Not a good person. Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:47:15 EST Dave, After reading your hurtful remark on repeater builders I told my boss. Guess what you are on the no service list. You owe Cook Towers for a back invoice you have not paid and they have called you on. It is over 16 days not paid. Bet you won't tell that to folks on repeater builder. Your post I find very hurtful after I went out of my way to help you! Even late passed 17:00 on one night to help. I only get paid till 17:00 eastern as Cook closes at 17:00 eastern. As for your wrong pin that came from CAT not me. Once again your on tape telling me that from CAT. Also it was not three weeks as you stated. Your repeater is just that old. I also have you saying that the Kenwood TKR-850 is working very well and how much you like the auto. Once again we do not support any thing we do not sell and hooking someone else's controller to a repeater is not of our concern it is yours and yours alone. We just helped you at no charge because you needed help. Well if the Kenwood TKR-850 has any problems for the next 2 years call us and we will 100% support it. Any thing you did not buy from us I wish you well but I (we) will NOT help you on any thing you did not buy from here. Dean Westbrook Cook Towers, INC. cc: Ed Cook Kathy Cook __ Message transport security by GatewayDefender.com 4:14:02 PM ET - 1/26/2005 Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB224
I'm finished! Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB224 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:11:00 -0700 This is getting old!!! - Original Message - From: David Robichaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB224 It's lieu not lew, Russ. The payment terms on the repeater sold to the county is 30 days from invoice. It will be paid by the county as agreed. They will not, however, pay for Cook Tower's mistake on the freight charge. Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB224 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:45:42 -0500 All true, I am going over tomorrow to see 1st hand what is going on and now that Dave said that I can hear the tapes in his e-mail they will play it. BTW it is so un-like Dean to give bad info. That is all I will say about this, He (Dave) owes them money and started a pile of crap in lew of payment. That I know for a fact. Very best of 73, Russ, W3CH - Original Message - From: mch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB224 Russ, Why not let them discuss the subject alone? We have no first hand knowledge of the situation in question (I know I don't, and I seriously doubt you do either), so our input is not helpful. This is not the time to promote either party, take sides publicly, or to draw conclusions and make judgments. It is also not the time to jump on the bandwagon for either party. They are big boys and can speak for themselves. I will say that I don't know what this has to do with a DB224... Joe M. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links __ Message transport security by GatewayDefender.com 5:36:04 PM ET - 1/26/2005 Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links __ Message transport security by GatewayDefender.com 6:11:12 PM ET - 1/26/2005 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Rename this group?
Perhaps we should rename this group to the Cook Towers fan club group. There has been Russ shilling for them every day or so. Now we have a personal grudge-match going on with people taking sides. I have better things to do. Life's too short. Count me un-subscribed till this goes away. 73, Al, K9SI Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Rename this group?
So do I! Let's help build some systems. 73 Russ, W3CH - Original Message - From: Al Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 6:28 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Rename this group? Perhaps we should rename this group to the Cook Towers fan club group. There has been Russ shilling for them every day or so. Now we have a personal grudge-match going on with people taking sides. I have better things to do. Life's too short. Count me un-subscribed till this goes away. 73, Al, K9SI Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Rename this group?
Let's not rename any thing and we can all pay our bills and help others to build systems! 73, Russ, W3CH - Original Message - From: Al Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 6:28 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Rename this group? Perhaps we should rename this group to the Cook Towers fan club group. There has been Russ shilling for them every day or so. Now we have a personal grudge-match going on with people taking sides. I have better things to do. Life's too short. Count me un-subscribed till this goes away. 73, Al, K9SI Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Cook Towers, Russ W3CH, et al
I've been patient with all the cheerleading about Cook Towers. I even contacted them, and formed my own opinion based on that contact. Then we all witnessed the totally inappropriate posting made by Cook Towers here on this list, essentially a threat to one individual in particular, but actually to each and every one of us who may call them. That's enough. It's not fun participating anymore. I appreciate the help I've received from several people on this list and I have been happy to help when I've been in a position to be helpful. To those whom have been helpful, I consider you my friends and have included you in my address book. With the exception of the past few months, I've enjoyed the years I've been on this list. But, alas, it's time to move away from the stress. With that, I'm unsubscribing. 73, Chuck Kelsey WB2EDV [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] RE: Account overdue. Not a good person.
I hope it never changes to any one's business forum! I like helping people. Lets get back to building systems! 73 Russ, W3CH - Original Message - From: Ronny Julian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] RE: Account overdue. Not a good person. When did this group change to Cook Towers business forum? - Original Message - From: David Robichaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 5:05 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] RE: Account overdue. Not a good person. As usual, you're wrong again. I will send each of your emails to the list. I asked for you to ship the repeater overnight. Kathy Cook quoted me a price differential of $ 115.65. I paid with my credit card the amount requested. Three days later she called and said that UPS was now charging her more than she quoted for the overnight shipment. I asked her to send me a copy of the invoice and I would submit it to the County to see if they would pay it. I have now changed my mind. I will not submit it to the County since you have now told me that I'm on the no service list. That's customer service at its best. You deal with UPS on the issue and please, don't call and threaten me again. Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Account overdue. Not a good person. Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:47:15 EST Dave, After reading your hurtful remark on repeater builders I told my boss. Guess what you are on the no service list. You owe Cook Towers for a back invoice you have not paid and they have called you on. It is over 16 days not paid. Bet you won't tell that to folks on repeater builder. Your post I find very hurtful after I went out of my way to help you! Even late passed 17:00 on one night to help. I only get paid till 17:00 eastern as Cook closes at 17:00 eastern. As for your wrong pin that came from CAT not me. Once again your on tape telling me that from CAT. Also it was not three weeks as you stated. Your repeater is just that old. I also have you saying that the Kenwood TKR-850 is working very well and how much you like the auto. Once again we do not support any thing we do not sell and hooking someone else's controller to a repeater is not of our concern it is yours and yours alone. We just helped you at no charge because you needed help. Well if the Kenwood TKR-850 has any problems for the next 2 years call us and we will 100% support it. Any thing you did not buy from us I wish you well but I (we) will NOT help you on any thing you did not buy from here. Dean Westbrook Cook Towers, INC. cc: Ed Cook Kathy Cook __ Message transport security by GatewayDefender.com 4:14:02 PM ET - 1/26/2005 Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] RE: Account overdue. Not a good person.
Why is it that Russ Cook Towers or Russ Maggoire are always the center of attention on this forum? -- Original Message -- Received: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 05:07:15 PM CST From: Ronny Julian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] RE: Account overdue. Not a good person. When did this group change to Cook Towers business forum? - Original Message - From: David Robichaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 5:05 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] RE: Account overdue. Not a good person. As usual, you're wrong again. I will send each of your emails to the list. I asked for you to ship the repeater overnight. Kathy Cook quoted me a price differential of $ 115.65. I paid with my credit card the amount requested. Three days later she called and said that UPS was now charging her more than she quoted for the overnight shipment. I asked her to send me a copy of the invoice and I would submit it to the County to see if they would pay it. I have now changed my mind. I will not submit it to the County since you have now told me that I'm on the no service list. That's customer service at its best. You deal with UPS on the issue and please, don't call and threaten me again. Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Account overdue. Not a good person. Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:47:15 EST Dave, After reading your hurtful remark on repeater builders I told my boss. Guess what you are on the no service list. You owe Cook Towers for a back invoice you have not paid and they have called you on. It is over 16 days not paid. Bet you won't tell that to folks on repeater builder. Your post I find very hurtful after I went out of my way to help you! Even late passed 17:00 on one night to help. I only get paid till 17:00 eastern as Cook closes at 17:00 eastern. As for your wrong pin that came from CAT not me. Once again your on tape telling me that from CAT. Also it was not three weeks as you stated. Your repeater is just that old. I also have you saying that the Kenwood TKR-850 is working very well and how much you like the auto. Once again we do not support any thing we do not sell and hooking someone else's controller to a repeater is not of our concern it is yours and yours alone. We just helped you at no charge because you needed help. Well if the Kenwood TKR-850 has any problems for the next 2 years call us and we will 100% support it. Any thing you did not buy from us I wish you well but I (we) will NOT help you on any thing you did not buy from here. Dean Westbrook Cook Towers, INC. cc: Ed Cook Kathy Cook __ Message transport security by GatewayDefender.com 4:14:02 PM ET - 1/26/2005 Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
