[Repeater-Builder] NWS SAME Decoder?

2007-06-04 Thread crackedofn0de
I'm looking for a SAME decoder to interface to my repeater controller
via TTL outputs. It'll be taking audio from a UHF receiver tuned to a
link frequency, so a product with a built-in VHF receiver is not what
I'm looking for. The CAT WD-100 would do (and then some), but is there
another similar product out there right now?

James K7ICU



[Repeater-Builder] Re: IC FR4000

2007-06-04 Thread rtc_0001

Aside from any possible receiver deficiencies, you might want to
consider that the Vertex VXR7000 has a pretty weak PA section.

The earliest ones came thru with a discrete transistor PA. They became a
problem like so many other PA's in that the collector current was too
much for the pad  melted the solder  surface mount caps off.

The next step was to add a rf module. This was ok but they didn't
resurface the aluminum PA extrusion to accept the module directly.
Instead, they created a new pcb  added a copper heat spreader plate as
a retrofit to the existing aluminum heat sink.

The problem there is the copper heat spreader doesn't have enough
contact area to the aluminum heat sink to remove the heat from the heat
spreader fast enough.

I still use the VXR7000 in new installs but not in areas of high use. I
still keep several of the retrofit kits  rf modules  install them as
the old units die.

Lastly, the internal duplexer, unless tuned with a return loss bridge,
can present a poor swr to the PA module  pop it prematurely. I've run
across a few that I tuned with a tracking generator  attenuators that
looked good in all other respects but once the factory cables are
attached, the output drops  the tuning goes off. You have to kinda'
fudge the tuning once the factory cables are attached to get the power 
isolation back.

I also noticed the internal duplexer as sold with the unit (Sinclair) is
very temperature sensitive. If I mistakenly hold my palm on the duplexer
while tuning, that cavity will be tuned wrong once it cools down to room
temp.  The heat from the power supply  the PA will warm the chassis 
the duplexer  throw the tuning off.

If you can, use an external duplexer. It won't detune itself due to the
heat buildup  offers better isolation/less loss.

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Nate Duehr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Jun 2, 2007, at 12:35 PM, barrypal wrote:

  Anyone running the Icom repeater in the ham bands? This question has
probably come up before buy I couldn't find it. I am considering the
Icom 4000 or Vertex 7000 for my ham repeater.




[Repeater-Builder] Kenwood TM-D 700 Group

2007-06-04 Thread g1fsh
Here is a link for a new group for the Kenwood TM-D700

http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/TMD-700/

Gary




[Repeater-Builder] Re: paging system

2007-06-04 Thread rtc_0001

I was under the impression that as long as the transmission was one of
direct benefit to the ham community at large, it was not considered
broadcasting in the usual sense.  Hence, you have W1AW  the other news
caster org.

I don't know that short duration control tones are illegal provided they
don't interfere or last for more than a certain time frame  the
intention of sending the control tones was for the direct benefit of the
Ham  non-ham community.

I could be wrong, I've never been much on rules  regs being the bit of
a scofflaw that I am.






[Repeater-Builder] Re: IC FR4000

2007-06-04 Thread Derek
a friend of mine is using the vertex 7000 450-470 MHz repeater at
443.225 with no problem and i just ordered a icom FR4000 450-480 MHz
repeater to use at 444.825.

the seller programmed it for me before shipping and said it was
putting out 8 watts on low power (all i need since i'm using a PA) and
nearly 50 watts on high power.

i hope to get the icom installed at the tower site next weekend and
will let you know how it works.

*DEREK*
KD4ADL

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, barrypal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Anyone running the Icom repeater in the ham bands?  This question has
 probably come up before buy I couldn't find it.  I am considering the
 Icom 4000 or Vertex 7000 for my ham repeater.  I am running a GE Mastr
 II now.  I know they are bullet proof and the audio is great but
 weight and space are a consideration in a possible new location.  
 
 Thanks





[Repeater-Builder] Re: HELP - Photo collection: Name this PA !

2007-06-04 Thread rtc_0001

It's a Motorola hi duty cycle hi power repeater/base PA for 800mhz.

Lo drive requirement  75watts out constant duty. You could push it to
an intermittant 100 watts if you added a cooling fan. I've rebuilt a few
of these but a long time ago.

FedEx had a bunch of these for their mountaintop data/voice repeaters.

What is it you need to know? I'll be going from memory so go easy on me.

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 I am thinking it is from the Micor series. I want to say low power 800
but not exactly sure




[Repeater-Builder] R100 same design as ???

2007-06-04 Thread Barry Buelow
I assume the R100 is an adaptation of a mobile radio.  The PA is
certainly borrowed.

Can anyone tell me what mobile radio (or maybe HT) is similar to the R100?

I'm particularly interested in the PLL and possibly finding some old
functional mobiles with the identical PLL chip that could be harvested.

Also, is there any radio with an easily detached UHF PA?

Thanks
Barry  WØIY





[Repeater-Builder] Chassis mount so-239 with hood?

2007-06-04 Thread Dan
Anyone know of a source for these darn things? I want to make up some 
jumpers. I have the RG-400 coax but I cant seem to find any so-239's 
with the metal hood over the back! Any ideas?
Thanks for your time!

Dan/NØFPE



[Repeater-Builder] Re: THANKS - and one more question

2007-06-04 Thread sgreact47
Mike, 

That IS a Mitrek 800 PA mounted on a continious duty
heatsink for a Micor/MSF station/repeater.
 They run at 45 watts .

I would say give it a try with 927, maybe you will have to trim some 
of the matching stubs with your good ole dremmel tool.



Mike Morris WA6ILQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thanks to everyone for all the help
 
 I take it that there is no practical way to move it to 927MHz?
 
 Mike WA6ILQ





Re: [Repeater-Builder] R100 same design as ???

2007-06-04 Thread Milt
Motorola's European MC-Micro series radios served as the RF decks for the 
MCR100/R100 repeater.  In some of the first service manuals supplied were 
printed in English and French IIRC.


Milt
N3LTQ


- Original Message - 
From: Barry Buelow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 9:06 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] R100 same design as ???


I assume the R100 is an adaptation of a mobile radio.  The PA is
certainly borrowed.

Can anyone tell me what mobile radio (or maybe HT) is similar to the R100?

I'm particularly interested in the PLL and possibly finding some old
functional mobiles with the identical PLL chip that could be harvested.

Also, is there any radio with an easily detached UHF PA?

Thanks
Barry  WØIY








Yahoo! Groups Links





[Repeater-Builder] Coax length between the TX and diplexer

2007-06-04 Thread Kerincom
Hi guys .I have been wondering and trying to find out the correct length of
coax between the diplexer and the tx.and rx and someone has brought it up on
another group.here is a snipit 
Is the length between the exciter -pa-TX on duplexer a quarter wavelength or
multiple there of. Is the rx-preamp(Is the rx-preamp(if used)-rx input of
duplexer the same number of wave lengths as the TX path
So hopefully this will help answer the above enquiry. 
Thank You,
Ian Wells,
Kerinvale Comaudio,
www.kerinvalecomaudio.com.au
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] HELP - Photo collection: Name this PA !

2007-06-04 Thread Milt
Trunking Micor 800 MHz PA.  Power levels started at 35 watts up to 75 watts. If 
you are interested, give me a few days and I should be able to find a complete 
manual.  

Milt 
N3LTQ
  - Original Message - 
  From: Mike Morris 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 7:50 PM
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] HELP - Photo collection: Name this PA !


  ARRG.

  Thanks Chuck... 
  I'm wy too used to FTP where it's 
(servername)/repeater-builder/wa6ilq/name-that-pa 

  Folks, try this:
   http://www.repeater-builder.com/wa6ilq/name-that-pa

  Mike WA6ILQ

  At 04:03 PM 06/03/07, you wrote:

You forgot the .com in the URL. All I can say is it's Motorola.
 
Chuck
WB2EDV
 
 
 

  - Original Message - 

  From: Mike Morris WA6ILQ 

  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 

  Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 6:41 PM

  Subject: [Repeater-Builder] HELP - Photo collection: Name this PA !


  In past postings and articles on repeater-builder I've referred to 

  locals and local systems... one of the locals that has helped 

  me on an article or two emailed me with a question and some 

  pictures... 


  Can anyone help identify this amplifier? 


  See the 9 photos at  http://www.repeater-builder/wa6ilq/name-that-pa

  Each one is about 460-480KB each

  The first one may be all someone has to look at.


  Thanks in advance...


  Mike WA6ILQ


  At 08:08 PM 06/02/07, you wrote:

I have a PA I acquired but have no idea what it is. It's 19 rack mount 

and about 4 rack units high.   It uses N connectors for RF in/Out 



Stamped on the heat sink is 64E82631N02 F



The input is TRN8852A uses a M9875 device

Next stage is a TRN8853A uses a M9876 device

Next stage is a TRN5268

Goes through a directional coupler? TRN8856A

Then it goes to another combiner, I'm sure it has a fancy name, the 
board number is 84D82462N01

Then it combines 2 modules, one is another TRN5268B the other is a 
TRN4939

Then a circulator? 42B82633N01-A

Then through a filter?

Then out the N connector.



Can you tell anything by this info?

Looking for band, and power levels of the various stages.

Knowing what Moto book it is covered in would be a blessing...  

Thanks in advance.


   

RE: [Repeater-Builder] NWS SAME Decoder?

2007-06-04 Thread Ralph Hogan
These may still be available:
http://storefront.midlands.net/msftrncs/products/nwsamd/default.htm
They work well. There are a couple in use in this area.

Ralph W4XE


-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of crackedofn0de
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 1:29 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] NWS SAME Decoder?


I'm looking for a SAME decoder to interface to my repeater controller
via TTL outputs. It'll be taking audio from a UHF receiver tuned to a
link frequency, so a product with a built-in VHF receiver is not what
I'm looking for. The CAT WD-100 would do (and then some), but is there
another similar product out there right now?

James K7ICU





 
Yahoo! Groups Links







Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length between the TX and diplexer

2007-06-04 Thread Glenn Little WB4UIV
The only time that you need specific lengths of cable between pieces of 
equipment is to cover up an impedance problem. If the impedances are 
correct on the inputs and outputs of the devices that you are connecting, 
the length of the proper impedance cable is immaterial.

73
Glenn
WB4UIV



At 05:39 AM 06/04/07, you wrote:
Hi guys .I have been wondering and trying to find out the correct length 
of coax between the diplexer and the tx.and rx and someone has brought it 
up on another group.here is a snipit
Is the length between the exciter -pa-TX on duplexer a quarter wavelength 
or multiple there of. Is the rx-preamp(Is the rx-preamp(if used)-rx input 
of duplexer the same number of wave lengths as the TX path
So hopefully this will help answer the above enquiry.
Thank You,
Ian Wells,
Kerinvale Comaudio,
http://www.kerinvalecomaudio.com.au/www.kerinvalecomaudio.com.au






Re: [Repeater-Builder] Chassis mount so-239 with hood?

2007-06-04 Thread George Henry
Mouser.  http://www.mouser.com/catalog/630/954.pdf  items O and V

George, KA3HSW / WQGJ413


-Original Message-
From: Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Jun 3, 2007 7:17 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Chassis mount so-239 with hood?

Anyone know of a source for these darn things? I want to make up some 
jumpers. I have the RG-400 coax but I cant seem to find any so-239's 
with the metal hood over the back! Any ideas?
Thanks for your time!

Dan/NØFPE




[Repeater-Builder] Re: Chassis mount so-239 with hood?

2007-06-04 Thread Wallace Steinbrecher
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Anyone know of a source for these darn things? I want to make up some 
 jumpers. I have the RG-400 coax but I cant seem to find any so-239's 
 with the metal hood over the back! Any ideas?
 Thanks for your time!
 
 Dan/NØFPE


Dan,

I have several of these that I salvaged out of some old TEK equipment.  
How many do you need?

Wallace
KI4DVV




Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length between the TX and diplexer

2007-06-04 Thread Jim
Kerincom wrote:
 Hi guys .I have been wondering and trying to find out the correct length of
 coax between the diplexer and the tx.and rx and someone has brought it up on
 another group.here is a snipit 
 
 Is the length between the exciter -pa-TX on duplexer a quarter wavelength or
 multiple there of. Is the rx-preamp(Is the rx-preamp(if used)-rx input of
 duplexer the same number of wave lengths as the TX path
 
 So hopefully this will help answer the above enquiry. 
 

The correct length is the length that reaches without stress.

-- 
Jim Barbour
WD8CHL



Re: [Repeater-Builder] Chassis mount so-239 with hood?

2007-06-04 Thread n6lrv
Dan,
the hoods are a seperate component and still available from many electronic 
parts suppliers like Mouser and Newark. I recommend you purchase hoods and 
chassis mount recepticles from one of those suppliers.
Gary
 Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 Anyone know of a source for these darn things? I want to make up some 
 jumpers. I have the RG-400 coax but I cant seem to find any so-239's 
 with the metal hood over the back! Any ideas?
 Thanks for your time!
 
 Dan/NØFPE
 
 
 
 
 
  
 Yahoo! Groups Links
 
 
 



[Repeater-Builder] Re: paging system

2007-06-04 Thread Christopher Hodgdon
Ok, everyone, I am going to stop the discussion on this matter now.  I
have seen in this and been sent an email about trying to stay away
from discussion regulations in detail on this repeater, as very has an
opion.

If you wish to continue discussion on this matter, please feel free
to, but as for me, I have been present with a lot of information and
still reading the regs and such, I still have questions, so my next
option is the communicate with the ARRL and the FCC and try to get a
straight answer on this.

If I am present with a true straight answer on paging for the
benefit of a group or the community, I will be more than happy to pass
along the information I receive.

Thanks for all the input and provide such different insights on what
you feel, this is truely what the ham community is about, both helping
each other, helping others and learning more as we go.

73's
Chris KE5IGO

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, n9wys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Good catch, Laryn!  I think this supports my previous assertion, too.
 
 Mark - N9WYS
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Laryn Lohman
 
 97.3 Definitions  (10) Broadcasting. Transmissions intended for
 reception by the general public, either direct or relayed.
 
 Laryn K8TVZ





Re: [Repeater-Builder] Chassis mount so-239 with hood?

2007-06-04 Thread Joe Ciarcia
Try http://www.therfc.com/  They also have a non hooded type of so-239
for cables.  Joe


Dan wrote:

 Anyone know of a source for these darn things? I want to make up some
 jumpers. I have the RG-400 coax but I cant seem to find any so-239's
 with the metal hood over the back! Any ideas?
 Thanks for your time!

 Dan/NØFPE

 
 

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Do Anyone Use Their Repeater For This

2007-06-04 Thread scomind
Hi Chris,

I doubt very many groups use tone pages for non-emergency, 
informational messages like the one you mentioned (To all TVARC 
members, we will be holding our monthly meeting and swap shop on March 
20, at the Mcdonalds on I-20 in Terrell. We will start at 5:00).

One of the things a modern repeater controller does for you is 
automatically transmit such commercials at opportune times.

Sending such a message right after the initial ID wouldn't be too 
obtrusive since no conversation is likely in progress.

Or, if the message is sent a minute after the last transmission, the 
conversation is probably over but folks are likely still monitoring.

Event counters can be programmed to prevent too much of a good thing.

73,
Bob, WA9FBO
S-COM, LLC

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: IC FR4000

2007-06-04 Thread Maire-Radios
I would like to know more how your friend got the 4000 to program in the ham 
band.

thanks  John


  - Original Message - 
  From: Derek 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 12:40 PM
  Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: IC FR4000


  a friend of mine is using the vertex 7000 450-470 MHz repeater at
  443.225 with no problem and i just ordered a icom FR4000 450-480 MHz
  repeater to use at 444.825.

  the seller programmed it for me before shipping and said it was
  putting out 8 watts on low power (all i need since i'm using a PA) and
  nearly 50 watts on high power.

  i hope to get the icom installed at the tower site next weekend and
  will let you know how it works.

  *DEREK*
  KD4ADL

  --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, barrypal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Anyone running the Icom repeater in the ham bands? This question has
   probably come up before buy I couldn't find it. I am considering the
   Icom 4000 or Vertex 7000 for my ham repeater. I am running a GE Mastr
   II now. I know they are bullet proof and the audio is great but
   weight and space are a consideration in a possible new location. 
   
   Thanks
  



   

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Thanks, Alum Tape and Antenna...Tape part#?

2007-06-04 Thread Richard W Bazell Jr
Hi  Jeff,

If you can give  me a  part # on that Aluminum  tape would appreciate 
it, as I have ab DB222 that needs it.

Wesley AB8KD


[Repeater-Builder] Re: Do Anyone Use Their Repeater For This

2007-06-04 Thread Christopher Hodgdon
My idea was not for non-emergency informational messages.  It was for
alerting both ARES members and CERT members to emergency response
needs, ie. SkyWarn Net, disaster/sar response in the county, etc.

The page tones would not be used expect for the purpose of alerting
ARES and or CERT.

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Chris,
 
 I doubt very many groups use tone pages for non-emergency, 
 informational messages like the one you mentioned (To all TVARC 
 members, we will be holding our monthly meeting and swap shop on March 
 20, at the Mcdonalds on I-20 in Terrell. We will start at 5:00).
 
 One of the things a modern repeater controller does for you is 
 automatically transmit such commercials at opportune times.
 
 Sending such a message right after the initial ID wouldn't be too 
 obtrusive since no conversation is likely in progress.
 
 Or, if the message is sent a minute after the last transmission, the 
 conversation is probably over but folks are likely still monitoring.
 
 Event counters can be programmed to prevent too much of a good thing.
 
 73,
 Bob, WA9FBO
 S-COM, LLC
 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length between the TX and diplexer

2007-06-04 Thread Gary Schafer
Not always true. Even if a duplexer presents a flat 50 ohms at the operating
frequency to a transmitter, the transmitter may not work properly and you
may have to experiment with different lengths of cable between the
transmitter and duplexer. 
The reason is that off frequency the duplexer can be highly reactive and
that off frequency reactive load is seen by the transmitter as well as the
flat 50 ohms on frequency and some transmitters don't like any reactive load
on the finals. They will not load properly and you will not get full power
out. Sometimes spurs will be generated by the off frequency reactive load.
Now if there is an isolator on the transmitter then the transmitter always
sees a flat 50 ohms regardless of what the duplexer is presenting and in
that case the length of cable makes no difference.

73
Gary  K4FMX

 
 The only time that you need specific lengths of cable between pieces of
 equipment is to cover up an impedance problem. If the impedances are
 correct on the inputs and outputs of the devices that you are connecting,
 the length of the proper impedance cable is immaterial.
 
 73
 Glenn
 WB4UIV
 
 
 
 At 05:39 AM 06/04/07, you wrote:
 Hi guys .I have been wondering and trying to find out the correct length
 of coax between the diplexer and the tx.and rx and someone has brought it
 up on another group.here is a snipit
 Is the length between the exciter -pa-TX on duplexer a quarter wavelength
 or multiple there of. Is the rx-preamp(Is the rx-preamp(if used)-rx input
 of duplexer the same number of wave lengths as the TX path
 So hopefully this will help answer the above enquiry.
 Thank You,
 Ian Wells,
 Kerinvale Comaudio,
 http://www.kerinvalecomaudio.com.au/www.kerinvalecomaudio.com.au
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Yahoo! Groups Links
 
 
 




[Repeater-Builder] Re: slightly OT: securing feedline to the side of a tower

2007-06-04 Thread skipp025

Andrew is not the only source of hardline hangers. I buy pretty 
much the exact same snap in hangers with a generic brand name from 
Talley for about 1/3 the price. 

skipp 


 Great advice! I know how much the andrew hardware costs... 
 That would bankrupt this project.
 
 I ended up going the all home depot route with galv unistrut 
 and strut clamps, minis  and my spacing is 8'. I will evaluate 
 the load on the feedline, and add additional supports in problem 
 areas..
 
 
 Jeff DePolo wrote:
  
  
Nope, because like you said, they would draw the feedline into the
strut, smashing it all up...
  
  I regularly use cushioned clamps for attaching rigid feedline to
unistrut.
  I usually buy them from McMaster-Carr, but I'm sure they're available
  elsewhere. McMaster-Carr has them available in tubing sizes in
additional
  to normal trade sizes- 1 5/8 or 3 1/8 rigid line is really 1
5/8 or 3
  1/8 OD. The soft plastic insert prevents the clamps from damaging the
  line. Here's what they look like:
  
  www.mcmastercarr.com - search for 32625T62
  
  However, I wouldn't use them nor mini's (Minearallac-type EMT
clamps) on a
  tower, nor would I use any kind of off-the-shelf galvanized,
anodized, any
  kind of plated unistrut on a tower. The galv on regular
electrical-grade
  hardware doesn't hold up as long as most other tower-grade galvanized
  structural steel. Valmont makes good hot-dipped galv strut if you
wanted to
  go that route. And as always, use only high-grade galv or
stainless bolts,
  nuts, and other hardware to attach to the tower. Never ever use
any kind of
  plated steel components on a tower. They will quickly rust and become
  semiconductors, and you will almost as quickly be banished from
the site
  (assuming managed by diligent/competent people).
  
  Personally, I'd stick with the real stuff - stainless round member
adapters
  (hose clamps) or stainless angle member adapters (beam clamps), and
  stainless butterflies or snap-ins. Do it once, do it right. If you
make a
  few calls to local tower companies, I'd bet you'll find someone
that either
  has a surplus that they'll see you at a fraction of the new cost,
or maybe
  even a few 5-gallon buckets of hardware taken down that might
still be in
  good condition and can be reused.
  
  As far as spacing between brackets/hangers, it varies with wind
speed, icing
  conditions, and line size. Here's Andrew's chart, based on EIA-222:
  
  http://www.andrew.com/search/BN_96221.aspx 
  http://www.andrew.com/search/BN_96221.aspx
  
  Most towers around here come from the factory with brackets spaced
at 4'.
  
  And remember, coax hangers really aren't hangers. They aren't
meant to
  hold the vertical weight of the line - that's what hoisting grips (aka
  Kellems grips) are for. The job of the hangers is to keep the line
from
  flopping around horizontally in the wind, not to hold the weight up. A
  properly-installed butterfly is only tight enough to keep the line
from
  moving, not hold the weight.
  
  As an alternative to butterflies or snap-ins, on big towers where
feedline
  bundling is a necessity due to congestion and to reduce the
windload, the
  traditional techinque is to install runs of rigid conduit the
entire length
  of the tower (inside preferably), and then using tie wires (12AWG THHN
  solid) or band it stainless straps to aggregate the lines
together around
  the conduit, again at regular (4' nominally) intervals. Hoisting
grips are
  still used every 200' to hold the weight of each cable individually.
  
  Tie-wiring a cable directly to a leg is generally considered bad
practice
  for a number of reasons. First, what do you do when you come to a leg
  flange? If you hug the cable tight against the flange, the sharp
edges of
  the flange creates a spot for it to wear through. If you form the
cable
  loosly around the flange, it leaves it open for room to move and
create new
  problems that way. Also, by being mounted to the leg, it becomes an
  obstacle when someone else comes along and wants to attach an
antenna mount
  to the leg. It's also more likely to get damaged by climbers and
rigging
  lines. The list goes on and on...
  
  Hope this helps.
  
  --- Jeff
  
  
 
 -- 
 Jay Urish CCNANetwork Engineer
 http://jay.unixwolf.net
 Home)972.691.0125Cell)972.965.6229





[Repeater-Builder] Re: HELP - Photo collection: Name this PA !

2007-06-04 Thread skipp025
As you've already learned... it's a very sexy 800 MHz Micor 
Base/Repeater Amplifier. A well done layout used en masse by 
Motorola for their 800MHz trunking systems. 

Don't throw it out... it's a keeper even though they don't 
bring much of anything to the seller on ebay. Might be possible 
to get reduced performance operation at 900 MHz but I'd rather 
trade you for a true 900 MHz amp if you were to ever go that way. 

cheers, 
skipp 


 Mike Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ARRG.
 
 Thanks Chuck...
 I'm wy too used to FTP where it's 
 (servername)/repeater-builder/wa6ilq/name-that-pa
 
 Folks, try this:
  http://www.repeater-builder.com/wa6ilq/name-that-pa
 
 Mike WA6ILQ




[Repeater-Builder] Re: THANKS - and one more question

2007-06-04 Thread skipp025
Hi Mike, 

No and yes...  

The no part... 
It's not very practical or realistic to move the amplifier up to 
the 900MHz band. I've seen it done but the performance was barely 
35% of the original power level.  But back in those days we worked 
with what we had... 

The yes part... 
Trade it away for a true 900MHz amp. I've got one I'd give you free 
but the darn ship-down freight cost is so out of hand (not worth it). 

Contact me off the list direct... 
Maybe we can get it sent down to you via someone driving down to 
SoCal. 

cheers, 
skipp 

 Mike Morris WA6ILQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thanks to everyone for all the help
 
 I take it that there is no practical way to move it to 927MHz?
 
 Mike WA6ILQ





[Repeater-Builder] Computer interface board for an ACC-850

2007-06-04 Thread nn6j
Our group is attempting to make our 220 repeater a remote base using 
Icom flat packs.  We have run into a small snag.  Our 850 conctroller 
does not have the Computer Interface Board needed to upgrade the 
firmware past v3.42. 

Does anyone have any idea as to where I might be able to acquire this 
needed board?

TNX  73, 
Joel, NN6J



[Repeater-Builder] Re: LC-53 Z Meter Capacitor Inductor Analyzer

2007-06-04 Thread Joel
Hi folks,
I want to thank all who responded to post with intent to help,  especially 
Marvin, Jim, and Denny, all of on different groups, for getting me the 
manual, and the various readings I was interested in, and the contact info I 
needed.

v44kai.Joel.




[Repeater-Builder] Motorola Saber II 2K back to 8K EEPROM

2007-06-04 Thread sp6fxx
Hi, I seached through the post and did not find the answer here nor on
the Repeater-Builder's page so I ask. Does any one know how to get
back to 8K memory in saber II, i by mistake pu in the 2k eeporom
codeplug and now it will not accept the 8k codeplug, I saw on the
Repeater-Builder's page it tricky but possible any one can help ??

I would also like to assk if anyone want to trade I need 440-470
modules, i can give in exhange 482-512, 403-433, i got them quite a
lot all working regards Jacek Jurasz



[Repeater-Builder] Re: Chassis mount so-239 with hood?

2007-06-04 Thread Ryan
Amphenol Part# 083-765 for hood  083-1R-RFX for Connector. I have a 
bought from NTE. The best price was through www.moyerelectronics.com 1-
800-577-6001 and the usally have these connectors and hoods in stock. 
along with lots of old tubes to keep the old golow going.

Best of luck on your project.

Ryan n3ssl 

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Anyone know of a source for these darn things? I want to make up some 
 jumpers. I have the RG-400 coax but I cant seem to find any so-239's 
 with the metal hood over the back! Any ideas?
 Thanks for your time!
 
 Dan/NØFPE





[Repeater-Builder] CAT 250 controller help

2007-06-04 Thread g4lue
Does anyone use this controller and can help with a few questions

Thanks

Ernie G4LUE



RE: [Repeater-Builder] NWS SAME Decoder?

2007-06-04 Thread Mike Morris WA6ILQ
I have no idea how the Softronics units work but
avoid the Midland branded SAME receivers in ham
radio repeater use.

The midlands have a design flaw that the Radio Shack
receivers don't have.  The programmed SAME code
opens the squelch, but the midlands then start a timer
(built into the firmware), and shut the audio off when the
timer expires, even if it's in the middle of a weather alert
announcement. The same timer keeps the audio on for
no good purpose after an RWT (required weekly test).

On the other hand the Radio Shack receivers actually
listen for the SAME turnoff code and act properly on it...
they actually unmute the audio for the message, and
remute it when it's done... what a concept.

I was told that one guy modified the RS receiver to insert
audio from an external receiver into its decoder section,
but I've not tracked him down.
If I can, I'll get enough info for an article for the RS page
at www.repeater-builder.com

Mike WA6ILQ

At 05:49 AM 06/04/07, you wrote:
These may still be available:
http://storefront.midlands.net/msftrncs/products/nwsamd/default.htm
They work well. There are a couple in use in this area.

Ralph W4XE


-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of crackedofn0de
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 1:29 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] NWS SAME Decoder?


I'm looking for a SAME decoder to interface to my repeater controller
via TTL outputs. It'll be taking audio from a UHF receiver tuned to a
link frequency, so a product with a built-in VHF receiver is not what
I'm looking for. The CAT WD-100 would do (and then some), but is there
another similar product out there right now?

James K7ICU






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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Chassis mount so-239 with hood?

2007-06-04 Thread Eric Lemmon
Dan,

Are you making up jumpers in the literal sense, or do you actually need a
bulkhead-mount UHF female on one end?  If the latter, I suggest using a UHF
female bulkhead connector that crimps right to the cable.  That way, you can
take full advantage of the shielding afforded by the RG-400/U cable, without
the leakage of a hood.  Ideally, the jumpers in a station cabinet should be
point-to-point without any barrels, adapters, or couplings.

However, if you really must have the hood, they are available from Mouser.
See Item V on this page:

www.mouser.com/catalog/630/954.pdf

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
 

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 5:17 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Chassis mount so-239 with hood?

Anyone know of a source for these darn things? I want to make up some 
jumpers. I have the RG-400 coax but I cant seem to find any so-239's 
with the metal hood over the back! Any ideas?
Thanks for your time!

Dan/NØFPE




RE: [Repeater-Builder] NWS SAME Decoder?

2007-06-04 Thread TGundo 2003
The new model RS radios work just like the Midland- Timer Based. You want to 
find the older model RS radios to have it actually shut off at the end of the 
message. Found that out the hard way.
   
  Tom
  W9SRV

Mike Morris WA6ILQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I have no idea how the Softronics units work but
avoid the Midland branded SAME receivers in ham
radio repeater use.

The midlands have a design flaw that the Radio Shack
receivers don't have. The programmed SAME code
opens the squelch, but the midlands then start a timer
(built into the firmware), and shut the audio off when the
timer expires, even if it's in the middle of a weather alert
announcement. The same timer keeps the audio on for
no good purpose after an RWT (required weekly test).

On the other hand the Radio Shack receivers actually
listen for the SAME turnoff code and act properly on it...
they actually unmute the audio for the message, and
remute it when it's done... what a concept.

I was told that one guy modified the RS receiver to insert
audio from an external receiver into its decoder section,
but I've not tracked him down.
If I can, I'll get enough info for an article for the RS page
at www.repeater-builder.com

Mike WA6ILQ

At 05:49 AM 06/04/07, you wrote:
These may still be available:
http://storefront.midlands.net/msftrncs/products/nwsamd/default.htm
They work well. There are a couple in use in this area.

Ralph W4XE


-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of crackedofn0de
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 1:29 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] NWS SAME Decoder?


I'm looking for a SAME decoder to interface to my repeater controller
via TTL outputs. It'll be taking audio from a UHF receiver tuned to a
link frequency, so a product with a built-in VHF receiver is not what
I'm looking for. The CAT WD-100 would do (and then some), but is there
another similar product out there right now?

James K7ICU






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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Do Anyone Use Their Repeater For This

2007-06-04 Thread Joe
I experimented with this years ago.  I used a Motorola Dimension 2000 (aka 
BPR-2000) voice pager and an SCom 6K repeater controller.  The Dimension 
2000 required several parts and a crystal to be replaced in order to bring 
it down to 147.015Mhz (my repeater output freq.).  The original freq was 
158.700Mhz.  After modification, the pager was extremely sensitive and was 
able to decode the tones in situations where I could just hear the tones on 
an HT.  Pretty impressive, seeing as the pager has no external antenna.

The SCom controller was fairly easy to program after I figured out how to 
interpret the address on the pager.  A touchtone sequence on the repeater 
would set off the pager.  I also programmed the autopatch macro to set the 
pager off when someone made a phone call.

After all this, I decided it was not a practical idea.  People were not 
going to carry around a pager, HT, cell phone, maybe a PDA, etc. just in 
case an alert was going to go out.  It was just too many gizmos to put on 
your belt.  I abandoned the project after having some fun playing with it.

73, Joe, K1ike

At 12:11 AM 5/31/2007 +, you wrote:
Does anyone out there that is using their repeater to support
emergency operations, have it setup to also send out a page to pagers
that emergency operators may have.

Here is what we want to do, we wish to obtain some 2 meter voice
pagers, Minitors or similar, like those used by most volunteer fire
departments, and set them to receive on the same frequency as our
repeater, when they receive a proper 2 tone signal from the repeater.





[Repeater-Builder] EAS Emergency Alert System decoder

2007-06-04 Thread kd7jz
I saw a thread about SAME WX decoders. I am wondering if anyone has
found a reasonably priced hardware or software decoder for EAS
messages. I would like to be able to decode them from our LP-1 local
broadcast station. Suggestions? 
73 Tim KD7JZ



Re: [Repeater-Builder] Do Anyone Use Their Repeater For This

2007-06-04 Thread JOHN MACKEY
Likewise, several years ago I experimented with re-crystalling 2 Motorola
Spiritone pagers.

Pager A went from 35 MHz to 29 MHz  worked well, extremely sensitive
after changing a few RF stage components.

Pager B went from 43 MHz to 53 MHz  worked well, extremely sensitive
after changing several RF stage components.

My RLC-3 controller was able to call the pagers very well.

-- Original Message --
Received: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 09:53:23 PM CDT
From: Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Do Anyone Use Their Repeater For This

 I experimented with this years ago.  I used a Motorola Dimension 2000 (aka 
 BPR-2000) voice pager and an SCom 6K repeater controller.  The Dimension 
 2000 required several parts and a crystal to be replaced in order to bring 
 it down to 147.015Mhz (my repeater output freq.).  The original freq was 
 158.700Mhz.  After modification, the pager was extremely sensitive and was 
 able to decode the tones in situations where I could just hear the tones on

 an HT.  Pretty impressive, seeing as the pager has no external antenna.
 
 The SCom controller was fairly easy to program after I figured out how to 
 interpret the address on the pager.  A touchtone sequence on the repeater 
 would set off the pager.  I also programmed the autopatch macro to set the 
 pager off when someone made a phone call.
 
 After all this, I decided it was not a practical idea.  People were not 
 going to carry around a pager, HT, cell phone, maybe a PDA, etc. just in 
 case an alert was going to go out.  It was just too many gizmos to put on 
 your belt.  I abandoned the project after having some fun playing with it.
 
 73, Joe, K1ike
 
 At 12:11 AM 5/31/2007 +, you wrote:
 Does anyone out there that is using their repeater to support
 emergency operations, have it setup to also send out a page to pagers
 that emergency operators may have.
 
 Here is what we want to do, we wish to obtain some 2 meter voice
 pagers, Minitors or similar, like those used by most volunteer fire
 departments, and set them to receive on the same frequency as our
 repeater, when they receive a proper 2 tone signal from the repeater.
 
 
 
 





RE: [Repeater-Builder] NWS SAME Decoder?

2007-06-04 Thread Ralph Hogan
Hi Mike,

As far as I know, morris softronics has nothing to do with midland radios,
'midlands' is just part of their domain name.

Their SAME decoder board allows insertion of any radios audio source, in my
case a GE M2 voter rx on 162.4. I know its a little over kill, but hey the
rx works good in a high IM site :) It has a couple of control bits to and
from the card for wx alert status and on/off over-ride control of the wx
audio. Those tie into your repeater controller of choice. Its serially
rs-232 programmed for the SAME codes of interest.

73's Ralph W4XE


-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Morris WA6ILQ
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:30 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] NWS SAME Decoder?


I have no idea how the Softronics units work but
avoid the Midland branded SAME receivers in ham
radio repeater use.

The midlands have a design flaw that the Radio Shack
receivers don't have.  The programmed SAME code
opens the squelch, but the midlands then start a timer
(built into the firmware), and shut the audio off when the
timer expires, even if it's in the middle of a weather alert
announcement. The same timer keeps the audio on for
no good purpose after an RWT (required weekly test).

On the other hand the Radio Shack receivers actually
listen for the SAME turnoff code and act properly on it...
they actually unmute the audio for the message, and
remute it when it's done... what a concept.

I was told that one guy modified the RS receiver to insert
audio from an external receiver into its decoder section,
but I've not tracked him down.
If I can, I'll get enough info for an article for the RS page
at www.repeater-builder.com

Mike WA6ILQ

At 05:49 AM 06/04/07, you wrote:
These may still be available:
http://storefront.midlands.net/msftrncs/products/nwsamd/default.htm
They work well. There are a couple in use in this area.

Ralph W4XE


-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of crackedofn0de
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 1:29 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] NWS SAME Decoder?


I'm looking for a SAME decoder to interface to my repeater controller
via TTL outputs. It'll be taking audio from a UHF receiver tuned to a
link frequency, so a product with a built-in VHF receiver is not what
I'm looking for. The CAT WD-100 would do (and then some), but is there
another similar product out there right now?

James K7ICU






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[Repeater-Builder] D-Star WWW Links / Info Needed

2007-06-04 Thread Paul Metzger
Hello all,

I am in the middle of building a long needed 'D-Star Link' page to
the http://www.hamradio-dv.org web site. If any of you believe you
might have some good links, web pages dedicated to the cause, or
even insider info, I'd love to review it for posting. I look forward
to the flood of emails.

Please email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thanks!

Paul Metzger
K6EH