[Repeater-Builder] Maybe a little OT

2008-10-14 Thread n3dab
I'm putting Echolink on my rptr. I wanted to run the Echo Time program 
also, but found out from KH2D that it is no longer available, since he 
took a lightening strike last July on his system/server or something.  
From what I gather, he has no plans on reactivating it.  Now i'm 
looking for another program that works like Echo Time and is compatible 
with Echolink.  Does anyone know of a program  that is available ??   
Thanks   Doug /N3DAB  



Re: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola CDM-1250 PL tone control

2008-10-14 Thread Milt
Look at the help files accompanying the CPS program, especially the ACCESSORY 
Configuration tab, ACCESSORY Connector for pin definitions and the ACCESSORY 
Pins Tab.  Also look at the manuals for the i20 repeater controller and the 
Z340 Comunity repeater controller.

One of the options on several of the pins is TX PL DISABLE (INPUT).  Definable 
as High or Low for active level.

 Milt
N3LTQ





  - Original Message - 
  From: James Adkins 
  To: repeater-builder 
  Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 3:10 PM
  Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola CDM-1250 PL tone control


  We are using a pair of Motorola CDM-1250 UHF mobiles, 403-470 split, for our 
UHF repeater along with an Arcom RC-210 controller.

  We want to strip the PL tone when CW and / or Voice ID's are sent.  The arcom 
controller has the capability of sending logic out to the radio or an external 
tone board to turn the encode on or off.

  Does anyone have any knowledge of how one might be able to inject the CTCSS 
logic into the 16-pin accessory port, or otherwise connect to the CDM radio and 
control whether the CDM will encode our PL tone or not?  

  Another option is the CommSpec SS-64, which I have on hand.  However, we 
cannot simply parallel the tone output into the pre-emphasized audio input of 
the radio.  I know that the radio could probably be programmed for no 
pre-emphasis, but I don't want to bypass limiting.

  Ideas or suggestions?  Maybe someone knows a good location to inject the tone 
directly into the radio's modulator?

  Thank you,

  James Adkins, KB0NHX
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]






  -- 
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  District 1 Technical Field Engineer
  Troop A--Lee's Summit; Troop H--St. Joseph
  Missouri State Highway Patrol
  504 SE Blue Parkway  Lee's Summit, MO  64063
  816-622-0707 ext. 235
  417-840-5261 (Cell)

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Maybe a little OT

2008-10-14 Thread Dave Gomberg
Looks like this is now called EchoTime TTS Plus???   Available now.

At 23:08 10/13/2008, n3dab wrote:
I'm putting Echolink on my rptr. I wanted to run the Echo Time program
also, but found out from KH2D that it is no longer available, since he
took a lightening strike last July on his system/server or something.
 From what I gather, he has no plans on reactivating it.  Now i'm
looking for another program that works like Echo Time and is compatible
with Echolink.  Does anyone know of a program  that is available ??
Thanks   Doug /N3DAB


-- 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola CDM-1250 PL tone control

2008-10-14 Thread Radio Guy
If you find out how to do that, let me know!
I gave up and switched to Tait TM8110 it allows ctcss injection.



 We are using a pair of Motorola CDM-1250 UHF mobiles, 403-470 split, for our
 UHF repeater along with an Arcom RC-210 controller.

 We want to strip the PL tone when CW and / or Voice ID's are sent.  The
 arcom controller has the capability of sending logic out to the radio or an
 external tone board to turn the encode on or off.

 Does anyone have any knowledge of how one might be able to inject the CTCSS
 logic into the 16-pin accessory port, or otherwise connect to the CDM radio
 and control whether the CDM will encode our PL tone or not?

 Another option is the CommSpec SS-64, which I have on hand.  However, we
 cannot simply parallel the tone output into the pre-emphasized audio input
 of the radio.  I know that the radio could probably be programmed for no
 pre-emphasis, but I don't want to bypass limiting.

 Ideas or suggestions?  Maybe someone knows a good location to inject the
 tone directly into the radio's modulator?

 Thank you,

 James Adkins, KB0NHX
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]





 --
 James Adkins, KB0NHX

 District 1 Technical Field Engineer
 Troop A--Lee's Summit; Troop H--St. Joseph
 Missouri State Highway Patrol
 504 SE Blue Parkway  Lee's Summit, MO  64063
 816-622-0707 ext. 235
 417-840-5261 (Cell)

 I'm James Adkins and I approve this message


---
Ken


Re: [Repeater-Builder] Maybe a little OT

2008-10-14 Thread Radio Guy
Yes, it is called Echo Producer.


On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 2:08 AM, n3dab [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm putting Echolink on my rptr. I wanted to run the Echo Time program
 also, but found out from KH2D that it is no longer available, since he
 took a lightening strike last July on his system/server or something.
 From what I gather, he has no plans on reactivating it. Now i'm
 looking for another program that works like Echo Time and is compatible
 with Echolink. Does anyone know of a program that is available ??
 Thanks Doug /N3DAB

-- 

---
Ken


[Repeater-Builder] Connecting tk-7180 and tk-7180 for crossband

2008-10-14 Thread Lee Jones
Has anyone configured a away to connect two of these radios together 
for a repeater or crossband. 



RE: [Repeater-Builder] Maybe a little OT

2008-10-14 Thread Eric Vincent
Hi Doug,

 

I use Echotime on my system and works very well.

I can send you the files by e-mail if you want.

 

73’

Eric

 

Give me your e-mail

 

 

 

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I'm putting Echolink on my rptr. I wanted to run the Echo Time program 
also, but found out from KH2D that it is no longer available, since he 
took a lightening strike last July on his system/server or something. 
From what I gather, he has no plans on reactivating it. Now i'm 
looking for another program that works like Echo Time and is compatible 
with Echolink. Does anyone know of a program that is available ?? 
Thanks Doug /N3DAB 

 

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola CDM-1250 PL tone control

2008-10-14 Thread James Adkins
Thanks, Milt.  I found that yesterday and it appears to be working.

On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 8:25 AM, Milt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Look at the help files accompanying the CPS program, especially the
 ACCESSORY Configuration tab, ACCESSORY Connector for pin definitions and
 the ACCESSORY Pins Tab.  Also look at the manuals for the i20 repeater
 controller and the Z340 Comunity repeater controller.

 One of the options on several of the pins is TX PL DISABLE (INPUT).
 Definable as High or Low for active level.

  Milt
 N3LTQ





 - Original Message -
 *From:* James Adkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 *To:* repeater-builder Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 *Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2008 3:10 PM
 *Subject:* [Repeater-Builder] Motorola CDM-1250 PL tone control

   We are using a pair of Motorola CDM-1250 UHF mobiles, 403-470 split, for
 our UHF repeater along with an Arcom RC-210 controller.

 We want to strip the PL tone when CW and / or Voice ID's are sent.  The
 arcom controller has the capability of sending logic out to the radio or an
 external tone board to turn the encode on or off.

 Does anyone have any knowledge of how one might be able to inject the CTCSS
 logic into the 16-pin accessory port, or otherwise connect to the CDM radio
 and control whether the CDM will encode our PL tone or not?

 Another option is the CommSpec SS-64, which I have on hand.  However, we
 cannot simply parallel the tone output into the pre-emphasized audio input
 of the radio.  I know that the radio could probably be programmed for no
 pre-emphasis, but I don't want to bypass limiting.

 Ideas or suggestions?  Maybe someone knows a good location to inject the
 tone directly into the radio's modulator?

 Thank you,

 James Adkins, KB0NHX
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]






 --
 James Adkins, KB0NHX

 District 1 Technical Field Engineer
 Troop A--Lee's Summit; Troop H--St. Joseph
 Missouri State Highway Patrol
 504 SE Blue Parkway  Lee's Summit, MO  64063
 816-622-0707 ext. 235
 417-840-5261 (Cell)

 I'm James Adkins and I approve this message

 




-- 
James Adkins, KB0NHX

District 1 Technical Field Engineer
Troop A--Lee's Summit; Troop H--St. Joseph
Missouri State Highway Patrol
504 SE Blue Parkway  Lee's Summit, MO  64063
816-622-0707 ext. 235
417-840-5261 (Cell)

I'm James Adkins and I approve this message


[Repeater-Builder] Re: Recommended commercial radios that use SMT technology - to convert to 2m rpt

2008-10-14 Thread tedsims
I wasn't clear about that...the motivation for rebuilding it is that
most of the equipment at the voting sites is gone. Just one rcv
cavity, and the antenna system at one site remain. I don't even know
what was installed there. Also, only one of these sites is still
available. I think we'll run 3 voting sites in the end, so we're
looking for two more. That's what I've got to work with.

At the main site, the current setup is a Mitrek receiver, a heavily
modified Kenwood TK-930 transmitter that can put out around 13W
continuous, driving an amp (can't remember what) with a single
MRF-174. It puts out about 85W into the duplexer. The TK-930 is brain
dead, so temporarily, I have put in a CDM-750 running 25W without the amp.

There's a box with 3 MSTR-II UHF receivers that used to listen to
voting sites connected to an LDG RVS-8. Each receiver is connected to
it's own beam antenna. These look OK.

That's what I've got to work with.






--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Nate Duehr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 tedsims wrote:
 
  I'm hoping that I can identify equipment that seems more familiar to
  me on the inside (PLL synthesis, SCF audio processing, LDMOS, surface
  mount). I know the MASTR II, Mitrek, etc. are very fine radios, but
  the inside of one of these looks completely alien to me. Any
suggestions?
 
 What's broken/breaking in the system today?  (In other words, what's
the 
 motivation to re-build it?)
 
 What's the budget like?  A modern voted system like that with all 
 new(er) rigs could get real expensive, real fast.
 
 Here's how it probably goes...
 
 The older stuff (like the Micor and MASTR II) are at least considered 
 modern up through the 1980's.  (They were still available new from
the 
 manufacturer close to 20 years after they first hit the market, which 
 says a whole lot for their design-quality and ability to work
seemingly 
 forever.  A lot of clubs/groups are still running them without any
more 
 than a quick trip to check sensitivity and PA output power, etc... once 
 a year.  If even that.
 
 The used market is flooded with this year right now, but won't be
forever.
 
 One of the positives of some of this older gear is that the complete 
 board assemblies on SOME of these models, are directly from the mobile 
 rigs.  The mobiles are so old now, they're getting to where they're
very 
 inexpensive in BULK if you find an auction, or similar... and you are 
 willing to swap boards and see what's working and what's not.  You can 
 build a mighty spares pile of known working receivers, exciters, 
 etc... for the older repeaters from mobile boards.  (I'm a MASTR II 
 fan, the Motos I hear this is harder... Moto didn't make their stuff 
 as interchangeable.  I don't know.  Your mileage may vary.)
 
 In the mid-80's gear like you're describing with more modern 
 components arrived.  But it was done on the cheap as far as actual 
 RF-design goes, with many of the rigs made overseas and of questionable 
 build quality.  The front-ends are quite a bit broader, even though it 
 added sensitivity... etc.  For links and receivers at high sites, this 
 is often backward of what you're trying to accomplish... and you end up 
 putting a lot of out-board filtering on the pile of receivers at the 
 voter site... to keep the out of band stuff nearby from bothering them.
 
 Systems like the MSR-2000, later the MSF-5000 from Motorola and the 
 MASTR III from GE/MA-Com came out as replacements for the gear
sold in 
 the early 80's.
 
 The MASTR III is still current product at MA/Com, the MSF-5000 as
far as 
 I know is.  They're still built like real repeaters... and anytime
you 
 have the space in the rack and the money to pay for them, they're well 
 worth it.  But they (especially NEW) are NOT cheap.
 
 For a ham radio voted-system, the sheer number of TX/RX pairs you need 
 means you probably can't afford a rack full of nice solid commercial 
 gear like that.  Size, power consumption, amount of space needed in the 
 racks... etc... would be too great.  So the pile of mobiles on a
shelf 
 thing is often done instead.
 
 Options would be things like others have already mentioned...
commercial 
 mobiles from the mid-80's like the GM-300/Radius series from Moto, 
 etc... that have the appropriate connectors on the back (16-pin) to
give 
 you the right connections needed to deal with voting systems... etc.
 
 For the TX part... running some of those rigs in their 10W varieties 
 works, but it's still  just a mobile rig.  Try to keep them cool. 
 (Which probably means adding fans to your PA heatsinks.)
 
 Basically, if you go this route, you're trading quality for quantity,it 
 works... but make sure you're planning to have spares sitting around, 
 pre-programmed, ready to go when you blow up a link radio in that 
 environment.   Since mobiles are generally cheap.
 
 Other interesting possibilities include using Kenwood TKR-series 
 repeaters as the links... (expensive, but nice...), etc.
 
 

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Maybe a little OT

2008-10-14 Thread G Shaw
Hi Doug
I run Echotime now and it is a good program.  There were 2 versions, the
first which was free and the second which had better voices and was a paid
program.

Now there is a new program you can get from the EchoAddOns site that is even
better.  It is EchoProducer.  It has a ton of options to configure so you
can use it in very basic mode like EchoTime or you can add all sorts of
features depending on your system needs.  You should get a copy of ATT
Voices if you decide to use speech, which will sound better that the very
basic voices that are in the program, or you can record your own.

73
Glenn N1GBY 

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of n3dab
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 2:09 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Maybe a little OT

I'm putting Echolink on my rptr. I wanted to run the Echo Time program also,
but found out from KH2D that it is no longer available, since he took a
lightening strike last July on his system/server or something. 
From what I gather, he has no plans on reactivating it. Now i'm
looking for another program that works like Echo Time and is compatible with
Echolink. Does anyone know of a program that is available ?? 
Thanks Doug /N3DAB 



 

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Maybe a little OT

2008-10-14 Thread DCFluX
Any cleaver way to run Echolink and Echostation at the same time? or
add repeater controller abilities to Echolink?

On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 6:58 AM, G Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Doug
 I run Echotime now and it is a good program.  There were 2 versions, the
 first which was free and the second which had better voices and was a paid
 program.

 Now there is a new program you can get from the EchoAddOns site that is even
 better.  It is EchoProducer.  It has a ton of options to configure so you
 can use it in very basic mode like EchoTime or you can add all sorts of
 features depending on your system needs.  You should get a copy of ATT
 Voices if you decide to use speech, which will sound better that the very
 basic voices that are in the program, or you can record your own.

 73
 Glenn N1GBY

 -Original Message-
 From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of n3dab
 Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 2:09 AM
 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Maybe a little OT

 I'm putting Echolink on my rptr. I wanted to run the Echo Time program also,
 but found out from KH2D that it is no longer available, since he took a
 lightening strike last July on his system/server or something.
 From what I gather, he has no plans on reactivating it. Now i'm
 looking for another program that works like Echo Time and is compatible with
 Echolink. Does anyone know of a program that is available ??
 Thanks Doug /N3DAB





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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola CDM-1250 PL tone control

2008-10-14 Thread James Adkins
I got to looking in the schematics, and was going to try injecting the tone
at U0221, pin 40, which is supposed to be the MOD IN, as it's labeled, but
it's really the audio output (after all filtering, etc) that goes to the RF
stage.

Instead of doing that, I found in the software that if you program pin 8 to
TX PL / DPL Inhibit (input) you can actually control the CDM's PL tone
encocoder.  I checked on another repeater we use, the Motorola R1225, and it
has the same option, I think it was on pin 6, though.




On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 7:01 PM, Radio Guy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   If you find out how to do that, let me know!
 I gave up and switched to Tait TM8110 it allows ctcss injection.


  We are using a pair of Motorola CDM-1250 UHF mobiles, 403-470 split, for
 our
  UHF repeater along with an Arcom RC-210 controller.
 
  We want to strip the PL tone when CW and / or Voice ID's are sent. The
  arcom controller has the capability of sending logic out to the radio or
 an
  external tone board to turn the encode on or off.
 
  Does anyone have any knowledge of how one might be able to inject the
 CTCSS
  logic into the 16-pin accessory port, or otherwise connect to the CDM
 radio
  and control whether the CDM will encode our PL tone or not?
 
  Another option is the CommSpec SS-64, which I have on hand. However, we
  cannot simply parallel the tone output into the pre-emphasized audio
 input
  of the radio. I know that the radio could probably be programmed for no
  pre-emphasis, but I don't want to bypass limiting.
 
  Ideas or suggestions? Maybe someone knows a good location to inject the
  tone directly into the radio's modulator?
 
  Thank you,
 
  James Adkins, KB0NHX
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] adkins.james%40gmail.com
 
 
 
 
 
  --
  James Adkins, KB0NHX
 
  District 1 Technical Field Engineer
  Troop A--Lee's Summit; Troop H--St. Joseph
  Missouri State Highway Patrol
  504 SE Blue Parkway Lee's Summit, MO 64063
  816-622-0707 ext. 235
  417-840-5261 (Cell)
 
  I'm James Adkins and I approve this message
 

 ---
 Ken

 




-- 
James Adkins, KB0NHX

District 1 Technical Field Engineer
Troop A--Lee's Summit; Troop H--St. Joseph
Missouri State Highway Patrol
504 SE Blue Parkway  Lee's Summit, MO  64063
816-622-0707 ext. 235
417-840-5261 (Cell)

I'm James Adkins and I approve this message


Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Recommended commercial radios that use SMT technology - to convert to 2m rpt

2008-10-14 Thread Nate Duehr
tedsims wrote:
 I wasn't clear about that...the motivation for rebuilding it is that
 most of the equipment at the voting sites is gone. Just one rcv
 cavity, and the antenna system at one site remain. I don't even know
 what was installed there. Also, only one of these sites is still
 available. I think we'll run 3 voting sites in the end, so we're
 looking for two more. That's what I've got to work with.

Ahh, sounds like you're really doing a complete rebuild then.

 At the main site, the current setup is a Mitrek receiver, a heavily
 modified Kenwood TK-930 transmitter that can put out around 13W
 continuous, driving an amp (can't remember what) with a single
 MRF-174. It puts out about 85W into the duplexer. The TK-930 is brain
 dead, so temporarily, I have put in a CDM-750 running 25W without the amp.

Understand.

 There's a box with 3 MSTR-II UHF receivers that used to listen to
 voting sites connected to an LDG RVS-8. Each receiver is connected to
 it's own beam antenna. These look OK.

Depending on budget, it might be worth just keeping those for the time 
being.

 That's what I've got to work with.

Sounds messy.  I think there are a few people (but not that many) on the 
list who've got big voted systems (I don't), who may be able to add some 
thoughts and encouragement to the discussion.

I hope they have a BIG budget, or you have a LOT of time... if things 
are in that bad a shape.

I do understand why you're looking at newer equipment if you're planning 
on this much of a rebuild.

Perhaps you could lay out what needs to be done to the overall system in 
stages and then break those staging documents down into individual 
site trip planning documentation.

Nate WY0X


Re: [Repeater-Builder] Maybe a little OT

2008-10-14 Thread rb_n3dab

Thanks to all for the suggestions:  I will check out the Echoaddons and Echo 
Producer first. (thanks Ken and Glenn)   Eric thanks for the offer but as 
mentioned an earlier post i have the files,but it takes KH2D's sytem to make 
them work . Part of the Registration process for the TTS+ and he isn't taking 
new registration,etc.  The old TTS program isn't offered any longer either.   
Ken re: your ? about EL and ES running together, EL doesn't support ES, they 
are independent programs which would require 2 computers and 2 interfaces  or 1 
computer with 2 sound cards and interfaces along with custom wiring from each 
interface to the radio or repeater.   that was the nice thing about ET in that 
it was compatible and ran with the EL program.   Off now to check out you 
suggestions -  Thanks again.
--
Doug   
N3DAB/WPRX486/WPJL709


 DCFluX [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

=
Any cleaver way to run Echolink and Echostation at the same time? or
add repeater controller abilities to Echolink?

On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 6:58 AM, G Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Doug
 I run Echotime now and it is a good program.  There were 2 versions, the
 first which was free and the second which had better voices and was a paid
 program.

 Now there is a new program you can get from the EchoAddOns site that is even
 better.  It is EchoProducer.  It has a ton of options to configure so you
 can use it in very basic mode like EchoTime or you can add all sorts of
 features depending on your system needs.  You should get a copy of ATT
 Voices if you decide to use speech, which will sound better that the very
 basic voices that are in the program, or you can record your own.

 73
 Glenn N1GBY

 -Original Message-
 From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of n3dab
 Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 2:09 AM
 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Maybe a little OT

 I'm putting Echolink on my rptr. I wanted to run the Echo Time program also,
 but found out from KH2D that it is no longer available, since he took a
 lightening strike last July on his system/server or something.
 From what I gather, he has no plans on reactivating it. Now i'm
 looking for another program that works like Echo Time and is compatible with
 Echolink. Does anyone know of a program that is available ??
 Thanks Doug /N3DAB





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[Repeater-Builder] Want to Trade

2008-10-14 Thread n9wys
I have two Motorola Radius GM300 VHF mobiles (M33GMC29C2AA).  My radios as
used, but their condition is as new.  I will provide photos upon request.

 

These are 16-channel radios.  No separation kits.  Would like to trade
even-up for two M43GMC radios.

 

In order to save bandwidth, please reply off-list to n9wys (at) ameritech
(dot) net.

 

Thanks,

Mark - N9WYS / WQIV271



Re: [Repeater-Builder] Maybe a little OT

2008-10-14 Thread rb_n3dab

Thanks to all for the suggestions:  I will check out the Echoaddons and Echo 
Producer first. (thanks Ken and Glenn)   Eric thanks for the offer but as 
mentioned an earlier post i have the files,but it takes KH2D's sytem to make 
them work . Part of the Registration process for the TTS+ and he isn't taking 
new registration,etc.  The old TTS program isn't offered any longer either.   
Ken re: your ? about EL and ES running together, EL doesn't support ES, they 
are independent programs which would require 2 computers and 2 interfaces  or 1 
computer with 2 sound cards and interfaces along with custom wiring from each 
interface to the radio or repeater.   that was the nice thing about ET in that 
it was compatible and ran with the EL program.   Off now to check out you 
suggestions -  Thanks again.
--
Doug   
N3DAB/WPRX486/WPJL709


 DCFluX [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

=
Any cleaver way to run Echolink and Echostation at the same time? or
add repeater controller abilities to Echolink?

On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 6:58 AM, G Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Doug
 I run Echotime now and it is a good program.  There were 2 versions, the
 first which was free and the second which had better voices and was a paid
 program.

 Now there is a new program you can get from the EchoAddOns site that is even
 better.  It is EchoProducer.  It has a ton of options to configure so you
 can use it in very basic mode like EchoTime or you can add all sorts of
 features depending on your system needs.  You should get a copy of ATT
 Voices if you decide to use speech, which will sound better that the very
 basic voices that are in the program, or you can record your own.

 73
 Glenn N1GBY

 -Original Message-
 From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of n3dab
 Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 2:09 AM
 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Maybe a little OT

 I'm putting Echolink on my rptr. I wanted to run the Echo Time program also,
 but found out from KH2D that it is no longer available, since he took a
 lightening strike last July on his system/server or something.
 From what I gather, he has no plans on reactivating it. Now i'm
 looking for another program that works like Echo Time and is compatible with
 Echolink. Does anyone know of a program that is available ??
 Thanks Doug /N3DAB





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[Repeater-Builder] Master 2 card!!!!!!!!!!!!!!i need one

2008-10-14 Thread gervais fillion

hi all
how can i search on Ebay for the Master 2 repeater??
i have try many combinaison,,,no luck.
i need the SOR card (PL19D417271g1)and the 10 volts regulator card.
 
i need to repair the repeater fast,,,snow will come over the site in 3 weeks max
 
73/s
gervais ve2ckn
 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Master 2 card!!!!!!!!!!!!!!i need one

2008-10-14 Thread Daron Wilson
Spell it mastr II like it says on the case?  I have searches for mastr II,
master II, master 2, etc. since one never knows how it will be listed.  I
think there were some good quick fixes described earlier for the 10v
regulator, sure you need the whole card?

 

 

 

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of gervais fillion
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 3:50 PM
To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Master 2 card!!i need one

 

hi all
how can i search on Ebay for the Master 2 repeater??
i have try many combinaison,,,no luck.
i need the SOR card (PL19D417271g1)and the 10 volts regulator card.
 
i need to repair the repeater fast,,,snow will come over the site in 3 weeks
max
 
73/s
gervais ve2ckn
 

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Master 2 card!!!!!!!!!!!!!!i need one

2008-10-14 Thread Ed Yoho
gervais fillion wrote:
 hi all
 how can i search on Ebay for the Master 2 repeater??
 i have try many combinaison,,,no luck.
 i need the SOR card (PL19D417271g1)and the 10 volts regulator card.
  
 i need to repair the repeater fast,,,snow will come over the site in 3 
 weeks max
  
 73/s
 gervais ve2ckn
  
 

Gervais,

Search for either Mastr or MastrII (no 'E').

Ed Yoho
W6YJ


RE: [Repeater-Builder] Master 2 card!!!!!!!!!!!!!!i need one

2008-10-14 Thread Eric Vincent
Hi Gervais,

 

Contact me off list at ericvin at telus dot net

 

I have something for you.

 

Eric VE2VXT

 

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Objet : [Repeater-Builder] Master 2 card!!i need one

 

hi all
how can i search on Ebay for the Master 2 repeater??
i have try many combinaison,,,no luck.
i need the SOR card (PL19D417271g1)and the 10 volts regulator card.
 
i need to repair the repeater fast,,,snow will come over the site in 3 weeks
max
 
73/s
gervais ve2ckn
 

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Master 2 card!!!!!!!!!!!!!!i need one

2008-10-14 Thread gervais fillion

Yes Daron,i need the whole card,mine has been stolen !!
Ge parts are becoming rare here,i still have an old motorola micor 
here,receiving in uhf tx is low split vhf i may modify it for ham use.
 
73/s Daron
gervais ve2ckn
 
 



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Spell it mastr II like it says on the case?  I have searches for mastr II, 
master II, master 2, etc. since one never knows how it will be listed.  I think 
there were some good quick fixes described earlier for the 10v regulator, sure 
you need the whole card?
 

 
 



From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
gervais fillionSent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 3:50 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 
[Repeater-Builder] Master 2 card!!i need one
 



hi allhow can i search on Ebay for the Master 2 repeater??i have try many 
combinaison,,,no luck.i need the SOR card (PL19D417271g1)and the 10 volts 
regulator card. i need to repair the repeater fast,,,snow will come over the 
site in 3 weeks max 73/sgervais ve2ckn 



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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Master 2 card!!!!!!!!!!!!!!i need one

2008-10-14 Thread gervais fillion

Ok Ed
i will try your suggestion
thanks
Gervais ve2ckn


Re: [Repeater-Builder] Master 2 card!!!!!!!!!!!!!!i need one

2008-10-14 Thread rb_n3dab
Type in the search bar  UHF repeater  or  VHF repeater   And look at all 
that pop up until you see what your looking for !!!
--
Doug   
N3DAB/WPRX486/WPJL709

 gervais fillion [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

=

hi all
how can i search on Ebay for the Master 2 repeater??
i have try many combinaison,,,no luck.
i need the SOR card (PL19D417271g1)and the 10 volts regulator card.
 
i need to repair the repeater fast,,,snow will come over the site in 3 weeks max
 
73/s
gervais ve2ckn
 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola CDM-1250 PL tone control

2008-10-14 Thread Eric Lemmon
James,

You can program a pin on the accessory connector to do exactly what you
want, and even make it active high or active low to be compatible with your
controller.  It is better to let the radio do the encoding and decoding of
CTCSS tones, since you have the reverse-burst STE built-in- a feature that
is normally not available in aftermarket controllers.

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
 

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Adkins
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 12:10 PM
To: repeater-builder
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola CDM-1250 PL tone control

We are using a pair of Motorola CDM-1250 UHF mobiles, 403-470 split, for our
UHF repeater along with an Arcom RC-210 controller.
 
We want to strip the PL tone when CW and / or Voice ID's are sent.  The
arcom controller has the capability of sending logic out to the radio or an
external tone board to turn the encode on or off.
 
Does anyone have any knowledge of how one might be able to inject the CTCSS
logic into the 16-pin accessory port, or otherwise connect to the CDM radio
and control whether the CDM will encode our PL tone or not?  
 
Another option is the CommSpec SS-64, which I have on hand.  However, we
cannot simply parallel the tone output into the pre-emphasized audio input
of the radio.  I know that the radio could probably be programmed for no
pre-emphasis, but I don't want to bypass limiting.
 
Ideas or suggestions?  Maybe someone knows a good location to inject the
tone directly into the radio's modulator?
 
Thank you,
 
James Adkins, KB0NHX
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
 
 



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District 1 Technical Field Engineer
Troop A--Lee's Summit; Troop H--St. Joseph
Missouri State Highway Patrol
504 SE Blue Parkway  Lee's Summit, MO  64063
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] GR500 Cooling Fan Control

2008-10-14 Thread Eric Lemmon
Ben,

I believe that the best solution is to use a normally-open thermoswitch
mounted to one of the heatsink fins.  My choice is Digi-Key 317-1094-ND,
about $7, which closes at 50 degrees Celsius (122 degrees Fahrenheit).  This
setting ensures that the fan does not run needlessly, but will kick in long
before the radio gets hot enough to affect its health.  I drilled and tapped
a couple of 4-40 holes, and mounted the switch with some heat-sink compound
under it to get good heat transfer.

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
 

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wqjf348
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 11:39 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] GR500 Cooling Fan Control

I am setting up a GR500 with the R1225 radio. It is in the wall mount 
box. The cooling fan that came with the box runs non-stop.

I would like to be able to control the fan either by slowing it down 
or making it switched by temperature or PTT of the repeater.

Can anyone here offer some suggestions? It is currently wired 
straight from the power supply.

Thanks in advance!

Ben
WQJF348
West Jordan, Utah



 



Re: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola CDM-1250 PL tone control

2008-10-14 Thread James Adkins
Thanks, Eric.

On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 8:34 PM, Eric Lemmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   James,

 You can program a pin on the accessory connector to do exactly what you
 want, and even make it active high or active low to be compatible with your
 controller. It is better to let the radio do the encoding and decoding of
 CTCSS tones, since you have the reverse-burst STE built-in- a feature that
 is normally not available in aftermarket controllers.

 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY


 -Original Message-
 From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comRepeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com
 [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comRepeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com]
 On Behalf Of James Adkins
 Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 12:10 PM
 To: repeater-builder
 Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola CDM-1250 PL tone control

 We are using a pair of Motorola CDM-1250 UHF mobiles, 403-470 split, for
 our
 UHF repeater along with an Arcom RC-210 controller.

 We want to strip the PL tone when CW and / or Voice ID's are sent. The
 arcom controller has the capability of sending logic out to the radio or an
 external tone board to turn the encode on or off.

 Does anyone have any knowledge of how one might be able to inject the CTCSS
 logic into the 16-pin accessory port, or otherwise connect to the CDM radio
 and control whether the CDM will encode our PL tone or not?

 Another option is the CommSpec SS-64, which I have on hand. However, we
 cannot simply parallel the tone output into the pre-emphasized audio input
 of the radio. I know that the radio could probably be programmed for no
 pre-emphasis, but I don't want to bypass limiting.

 Ideas or suggestions? Maybe someone knows a good location to inject the
 tone directly into the radio's modulator?

 Thank you,

 James Adkins, KB0NHX
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] adkins.james%40gmail.com mailto:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] adkins.james%40gmail.com




 --
 James Adkins, KB0NHX

 District 1 Technical Field Engineer
 Troop A--Lee's Summit; Troop H--St. Joseph
 Missouri State Highway Patrol
 504 SE Blue Parkway Lee's Summit, MO 64063
 816-622-0707 ext. 235
 417-840-5261 (Cell)

 I'm James Adkins and I approve this message

 




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District 1 Technical Field Engineer
Troop A--Lee's Summit; Troop H--St. Joseph
Missouri State Highway Patrol
504 SE Blue Parkway  Lee's Summit, MO  64063
816-622-0707 ext. 235
417-840-5261 (Cell)

I'm James Adkins and I approve this message


RE: [Repeater-Builder] GE M/N 4EF5A1 amplifier

2008-10-14 Thread Eric Lemmon
Bill,

I assume you are following the instructions for complete alignment as found
in LBI-3615, here:
www.repeater-builder.com/ge/lbi-library/lbi-3615d.pdf
The instructions include advice to ensure that the exciter is completely
aligned first, and a reminder to allow the PA to completely warm up before
starting alignment.  If you have a poorly aligned exciter, the PA will be
difficult to tune because its source impedance is not close to 50 ohms.
Been there, done that.

One point to keep in mind is that Progress Line equipment was designed in
the era of analog V-O-Ms, and a digital meter may give erroneous readings.

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
 

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of w8wer
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 6:01 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] GE M/N 4EF5A1 amplifier

We have used two of these amps for many years. I am trying to replace 
the tube (4CX250B) in one of them. This is my first time doing this. I 
have replaced the tube with one I think is good that was stored in the 
repeater. The GE instructions are typical, transmit at low power into 
the output of the amp, peak the grid current with Grid and Filter 
controls then null the grid current using the neutralizer control. The 
problem: after peaking the grid current with Grid and Filter, the 
neutralizer control will only further peak the grid current, the nulls 
occur at both ends of the control travel; there is a definite peak in 
the middle of the control range instead of a null. Any idea what would 
cause this condition?

Bill



[Repeater-Builder] Re: Midland UHF PA

2008-10-14 Thread skipp025

Hi Dennis, 

Can you name a source for the Service Manual for any 
of the Midland Equipment that has the 71-5400 repeater 
amplifiers?  I've also got the VHF version... I could 
use them if I could hook them up... 

thanks in advance for your reply. 

cheers, 
skipp 

 Dennis Bridgeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Adam,
 The Midland 71-5400 base/repeater amps needs 5w of drive.
 
 Dennis Bridgeman KCØFWN
 Bridgeman Communications
 202 Seventh Street
 Carmi, IL 62821
 http://bridgemancommunications.com
 
 
   - Original Message - 
   From: Adam C. Feuer 
   To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 4:37 PM
   Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Midland UHF PA
 
 
   Hello All,
 
   I have come into a few Midland UHF power amplifiers. On the PA's,
it's 
   labeled as a model number 71-5400B, 120 watts out, and freq range of 
   450-470. Does anyone know the drive requirements for this PA? I've 
   looked through the RB web site as well as Midlands web site and have 
   found nothing. 
 
   When I Google the amp the only info that comes up is a few Ebay
auctions.
 
   Any help would be greatly appreciated. 
 
   Thanks!!
 
   Adam N2ACF





RE: [Repeater-Builder] Master 2 card!!!!!!!!!!!!!!i need one

2008-10-14 Thread Mike DeWaele
Gervais,

I usually type just GE in when I'm searching. Some times gives you more than
what your looking for. However parts aren't always listed as mastr 2. Doing
it this way gives you everything.

Mike  KA2NDW

  -Original Message-
  From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of gervais fillion
  Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 7:51 PM
  To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Master 2 card!!i need one


  Ok Ed
  i will try your suggestion
  thanks
  Gervais ve2ckn


   To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:01:56 -0700
   Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Master 2 card!!i need one
  
   gervais fillion wrote:
hi all
how can i search on Ebay for the Master 2 repeater??
i have try many combinaison,,,no luck.
i need the SOR card (PL19D417271g1)and the 10 volts regulator card.
   
i need to repair the repeater fast,,,snow will come over the site in 3
weeks max
   
73/s
gervais ve2ckn
   
   
  
   Gervais,
  
   Search for either Mastr or MastrII (no 'E').
  
   Ed Yoho
   W6YJ
  
   
  
  
  
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: pls help , connecting a link radio to a tkr850 repeater.

2008-10-14 Thread skipp025
Hi Savy, 

Specific to the TK-760g and TK-860g mobile only: 

Buy the Kenwood KCT-19 option cable and install it per the 
service manual (just plug it in properly). I stock them if you 
can't find one local to you. 

For the Kenwood TK-860g Radio 

KCT-19 Pin 4 Receiver Audio Input  
KCT-19 Pin 5 Transmit Audio Out 
KCT-19 Pin 6 Ground 
KCT-19 Pin 7 Switched +VDC 
KCT-19 Pin 8 Transmitter PTT Out 
KCT-19 Pin 11 COR 
KCT-19 Pin 15 ON Air Detect  

If you require the TK-860g CTCSS/DCS decode, remove the grey wire of 
the KCT-19 CN4 (connector inside the radio) and jumper the wire to 
the side of R103 that is connected to Pin 7 of IC9. See the TK-860g 
Service Manuals for details on the part location(s). 

In the Kenwood KPG-59D programming software, select the Edit, Optional 
Features menu an set Data TX with QT/DQT=Yes. 

I have the programming sheet for the TKR-750 and TKR-850 repeater 
port but I can't attach it to this post so please Email me direct 
and I'll send it to you... a freebie of course. 

cheers, 
skipp 

skipp025 at yahoo.com 
www.radiowrench.com 

 Saviour Otsemobor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 hello All,
 pls can anybody help me on how to connect a link radio, 
 precisely the tk860g series radio to a tkr850 repeater.?
 thanks 
 regards
 savy





[Repeater-Builder] Re: ICS Controllers

2008-10-14 Thread Randy
---If your having a problem, maybe you might want to call them.
Sara Gore...800-725-1426 xt 237
.
 In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, kb5vjy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Is anyone else having a problem getting to ICS's Website?  I needed to
 download the basic manual.
 
 73 de Joe KB5VJY





[Repeater-Builder] Re: ICS Controllers

2008-10-14 Thread k6jsi
What does Sara Gore at ICM have to do with ICS Controllers?

Shorty, K6JSI


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Randy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ---If your having a problem, maybe you might want to call them.
 Sara Gore...800-725-1426 xt 237
 .
  In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, kb5vjy jholland@ wrote:
 
  Is anyone else having a problem getting to ICS's Website?  I 
needed to
  download the basic manual.
  
  73 de Joe KB5VJY