Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Any recommendations on how to Tag, Manage - Greatest Hits, Best Of. etc (Same Artist)

2021-03-02 Thread nyindieguy


I took your advice and upgraded to 7.9 and the functionality that I was
trying to achieve is now built in and working perfectly. I'll stick at
this level until I'm sure that Erland's plugins still work in future
updates. Thanks to you all of you for steering me in the right
direction.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Any recommendations on how to Tag, Manage - Greatest Hits, Best Of. etc (Same Artist)

2021-03-01 Thread d6jg

garym wrote: 
> no, never used it.

Nor me.
I’m on 8.2.x but as Gary says 7.9 something will probably include it.
7.7.6 is ancient history



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Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Any recommendations on how to Tag, Manage - Greatest Hits, Best Of. etc (Same Artist)

2021-03-01 Thread garym


nyindieguy wrote: 
> Are you also using Custom Skip on 8.1.2?

no, never used it.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Any recommendations on how to Tag, Manage - Greatest Hits, Best Of. etc (Same Artist)

2021-03-01 Thread nyindieguy


garym wrote: 
> Not sure, but I suspect you need to be on at least 7.9.x.  Maybe update
> to the newest 7.9 version, and your plugins will likely still work. 
> (the dynamic playlist plugin works for me on my LMS 8.1.2 version).

Are you also using Custom Skip on 8.1.2?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Any recommendations on how to Tag, Manage - Greatest Hits, Best Of. etc (Same Artist)

2021-03-01 Thread garym


nyindieguy wrote: 
> It's entirely possible that "use single list of artists" could be the
> solution, but I don't have that option. What version of LMS are you
> using? I'm on 7.7.6 and I've been afraid to upgrade beyond that because
> I don't want to lose use of the Custom Skip and Dynamic Playlist
> plugins.

Not sure, but I suspect you need to be on at least 7.9.x.  Maybe update
to the newest 7.9 version, and your plugins will likely still work. 
(the dynamic playlist plugin works for me on my LMS 8.1.2 version).



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Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Any recommendations on how to Tag, Manage - Greatest Hits, Best Of. etc (Same Artist)

2021-03-01 Thread nyindieguy


garym wrote: 
> The difference could also be with the "use single list of artists"
> option at the top of your screen shot.
> 
> p.s. As far as I know, there is never a reason to include the tag
> COMPILATION with a value of "0" (i.e., NO).  I've heard of issues caused
> by this.  COMPILATION tag field should either have a value of "1" or the
> tag field should not exist at all.

It's entirely possible that "use single list of artists" could be the
solution, but I don't have that option. What version of LMS are you
using? I'm on 7.7.6 and I've been afraid to upgrade beyond that because
I don't want to lose use of the Custom Skip and Dynamic Playlist
plugins.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Any recommendations on how to Tag, Manage - Greatest Hits, Best Of. etc (Same Artist)

2021-03-01 Thread garym


d6jg wrote: 
> That's not what I see.
> An example
> Car Songs - The 70's - no album artist tagged, compilation tag not
> present.
> 
> Track from same e.g. More, More, More by Andrea True Connection appears
> in Artists under Andrea True Connection. I have no other tracks by them.
> The album appears in Compilations / Various Artists
> 
> LMS Settings
> 33626
> 
> NB. The compilation tag is NOT PRESENT not set to No. Could that be the
> difference?

The difference could also be with the "use single list of artists"
option at the top of your screen shot.

p.s. As far as I know, there is never a reason to include the tag
COMPILATION with a value of "0" (i.e., NO).  I've heard of issues caused
by this.  COMPILATION tag field should either have a value of "1" or the
tag field should not exist at all.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Any recommendations on how to Tag, Manage - Greatest Hits, Best Of. etc (Same Artist)

2021-03-01 Thread d6jg

nyindieguy wrote: 
> For a long time, I've been juggling an issue with the Browsing function
> in LMS for Various Artists albums.
> 
> The default behavior seems to be that if you want the songs on
> compilation albums to be listed under each of the artists names, you
> need to leave the Album Artist blank and the Compilation Tag = No. If
> you don’t do that, the only artists who have their songs listed from
> compilation albums are the ones where you also have at least one album
> by that artist. But if you use it that way, then if you look at the
> Album view, it has a separate listing for each artist on the album, and
> of course, the album is not listed under Various Artists. So it would
> seem that one needs to make a choice between having the album properly
> listed vs. having the songs listed under the name of the artist. 
> 
> Just to be clear, If I have 3 songs by The Supremes, all of which are
> from compilation albums, I want those songs listed under “The Supremes,”
> but I also want the compilation albums to be listed under “Various
> Artists” and have each of those compilation album only listed once in
> the Album menu. I can't find any setting or combination of settings that
> achieves this.
> 
> Any ideas?
> --Ira

That's not what I see.
An example
Car Songs - The 70's - no album artist tagged, compilation tag not
present.

Track from same e.g. More, More, More by Andrea True Connection appears
in Artists under Andrea True Connection. I have no other tracks by
them.
The album appears in Compilations / Various Artists

LMS Settings
33626

NB. The compilation tag is NOT PRESENT not set to No. Could that be the
difference?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Any recommendations on how to Tag, Manage - Greatest Hits, Best Of. etc (Same Artist)

2021-03-01 Thread nyindieguy

For a long time, I've been juggling an issue with the Browsing function
in LMS for Various Artists albums.

The default behavior seems to be that if you want the songs on
compilation albums to be listed under each of the artists names, you
need to leave the Album Artist blank and the Compilation Tag = No. If
you don’t do that, the only artists who have their songs listed from
compilation albums are the ones where you also have at least one album
by that artist. But if you use it that way, then if you look at the
Album view, it has a separate listing for each artist on the album, and
of course, the album is not listed under Various Artists. So it would
seem that one needs to make a choice between having the album properly
listed vs. having the songs listed under the name of the artist. 

Just to be clear, If I have 3 songs by The Supremes, all of which are
from compilation albums, I want those songs listed under “The Supremes,”
but I also want the compilation albums to be listed under “Various
Artists” and have each of those compilation album only listed once in
the Album menu. I can't find any setting or combination of settings that
achieves this.

Any ideas?
--Ira



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Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Any recommendations on how to Tag, Manage - Greatest Hits, Best Of. etc (Same Artist)

2021-01-31 Thread BJW


I put album artist tags on everything.  I put comp=1 tags on whatever I
want LMS to think is a comp.  but strictly speaking, that's just a
preference, not necessary.

A lot of bands have an album called best of, or greatest hits, etc... 
bc I also use other software, not just LMS, I put the band name in
paranthesis after, so the album tag would read like this:

Greatest Hits (INXS)

This works as expected in all software, and comp tags aren't needed,
(and I don't assign comp tags to single artist comp discs anyway, or to
a disc that is basically a single artist disc, but with a guest artist
on however many tracks)



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Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Any recommendations on how to Tag, Manage - Greatest Hits, Best Of. etc (Same Artist)

2021-01-28 Thread d6jg

Blackfiction wrote: 
> To provide another option; I use the compilation tag for recordings that
> are either;
> - from different artists (I leave album artist blank)
> - from same artist (for example Beatles 1) where the recording is like a
> best of album (I tag album artist as Beatles). That way, the album shows
> up under Beatles as well as under compilations.
> 
> The great thing about LMS and tagging is that you have options and can
> select what is best for you. Regarding compilations I prefer to stick
> closely to the wikipedia definition;
> 
> A compilation album comprises tracks, which may be previously released
> or unreleased, usually from several separate recordings by either one or
> several performers. If by one artist, then generally the tracks were not
> originally intended for release together as a single work, but may be
> collected together as a greatest hits album or box set. If from several
> performers, there may be a theme, topic, time period, or genre which
> links the tracks, or they may have been intended for release as a single
> work—such as a tribute album. When the tracks are by the same recording
> artist, the album may be referred to as a retrospective album or an
> anthology.

As you say there is massive flexibility in LMS to suit ones individual
preferences.

If I am "talking" music then my definition of compilation follows the
Wikipedia one quite closely and I would agree that Beatles 1 is a
compilation but I have it under The Beatles not under Compilations in
LMS.
As with all things there are some examples of anomalies in that
Wikipedia definition as there are in any definition - Pink Floyd's
Endless River springs to mind. It's a bunch of outtakes, unfinished
tracks and some new recordings put together to finish the tracks and
make a new album. Is it a compilation or an official release. I have it
indexed only under Pink Floyd either way.

Then there is the age old question of ArtistSort where one can debate
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Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Any recommendations on how to Tag, Manage - Greatest Hits, Best Of. etc (Same Artist)

2021-01-27 Thread Blackfiction

To provide another option; I use the compilation tag for recordings that
are either;
- from different artists (I leave album artist blank)
- from same artist (for example Beatles 1) where the recording is like a
best of album (I tag album artist as Beatles). That way, the album shows
up under Beatles as well as under compilations.

The great thing about LMS and tagging is that you have options and can
select what is best for you. Regarding compilations I prefer to stick
closely to the wikipedia definition;

A compilation album comprises tracks, which may be previously released
or unreleased, usually from several separate recordings by either one or
several performers. If by one artist, then generally the tracks were not
originally intended for release together as a single work, but may be
collected together as a greatest hits album or box set. If from several
performers, there may be a theme, topic, time period, or genre which
links the tracks, or they may have been intended for release as a single
work—such as a tribute album. When the tracks are by the same recording
artist, the album may be referred to as a retrospective album or an
anthology.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Any recommendations on how to Tag, Manage - Greatest Hits, Best Of. etc (Same Artist)

2021-01-26 Thread d6jg

Red Storm wrote: 
> Only the first 2 so far.
> I was happy to browse to the music folder and play a track from my
> Synology Nas (LMS) - SB Touch - Hi-FI in lounge.
> I then progressed to controlling from Orange Squeeze via an old android
> tablet.
> Recently Synology announced LMS would not be supported on the
> DiskStation.
> I fortunately discovered a Rasberry PI solution with PiCore Player.
> Now I run LMS on the PI and point it to my library on the NAS.
> I have a redundant Ipad from my son (How times change when the parent
> gets the kids cast offs.) and found Material - Excellent by the way.
> Decided to join the 21st Century and set it up better.
> 
> Can't decide if I prefer the 2 separate lists for Artists and Album
> Artists or the 1 List. Still getting my head round the tagging side for
> this.
> 
> Have managed to get rid of lots of albums in the Compilation list that
> weren't really Various Artists but had the Compilation tag set as you
> pointed out earlier.

The Playlist Manager is an interesting plugin as you would think it’s
primary purpose is to create and manage playlists which it is but the
author conveniently supplies some examples to use with it - Bad Tags,
Bad Cover etc
Very useful for making a note of things that need correcting when you
find them while playing to go back to later.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Any recommendations on how to Tag, Manage - Greatest Hits, Best Of. etc (Same Artist)

2021-01-26 Thread Red Storm


d6jg wrote: 
> You can also use multiple values in Genres
> 
> If you are relatively new to this have you checked out the following
> plugins
> 
> Material - now essential
> Music & Artist Info 
> LastMix
> Playlist Manager 
> BBC Sounds
> Radio Paradise

Only the first 2 so far.
I was happy to browse to the music folder and play a track from my
Synology Nas (LMS) - SB Touch - Hi-FI in lounge.
I then progressed to controlling from Orange Squeeze via an old android
tablet.
Recently Synology announced LMS would not be supported on the
DiskStation.
I fortunately discovered a Rasberry PI solution with PiCore Player.
Now I run LMS on the PI and point it to my library on the NAS.
I have a redundant Ipad from my son (How times change when the parent
gets the kids cast offs.) and found Material - Excellent by the way.
Decided to join the 21st Century and set it up better.

Can't decide if I prefer the 2 separate lists for Artists and Album
Artists or the 1 List. Still getting my head round the tagging side for
this.

Have managed to get rid of lots of albums in the Compilation list that
weren't really Various Artists but had the Compilation tag set as you
pointed out earlier.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Any recommendations on how to Tag, Manage - Greatest Hits, Best Of. etc (Same Artist)

2021-01-26 Thread d6jg


Red Storm wrote: 
> Thanks everyone for the detailed replies. I will save this to refer back
> to.
> 
> A lot more flexibility with tagging/sorting than I first realised. I'm
> only a basic user but I do like things to be "correct". 
> 
> I didn't even know until I started searching, there where so many tag
> categories, but the main ones will full fill my needs.
> 
> All music is lossless using flac. I usually play an album or create a
> short playlist on the fly for my listening period. Lots more to learn.
> 
> I do get it's not a one hat fits all.
> 
> Cheers and stay safe

You can also use multiple values in Genres

If you are relatively new to this have you checked out the following
plugins

Material - now essential
Music & Artist Info 
LastMix
Playlist Manager 
BBC Sounds
Radio Paradise



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Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Any recommendations on how to Tag, Manage - Greatest Hits, Best Of. etc (Same Artist)

2021-01-26 Thread Red Storm


Thanks everyone for the detailed replies. I will save this to refer back
to.

A lot more flexibility with tagging/sorting than I first realised. I'm
only a basic user but I do like things to be "correct". 

I didn't even know until I started searching, there where so many tag
categories, but the main ones will full fill my needs.

All music is lossless using flac. I usually play an album or create a
short playlist on the fly for my listening period. Lots more to learn.

I do get it's not a one hat fits all.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Any recommendations on how to Tag, Manage - Greatest Hits, Best Of. etc (Same Artist)

2021-01-26 Thread garym


w3wilkes wrote: 
> Using MP3Tag I believe this may be true for FLAC/Vorbis comments, but I
> believe for MP3 either delimiter creates just a single tag.

I recall that's true in my own case, using mp3tag and ID3v2.3 tags.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Any recommendations on how to Tag, Manage - Greatest Hits, Best Of. etc (Same Artist)

2021-01-26 Thread garym


d6jg wrote: 
> It depends on your interpretation of "compilation"
> 
> In my world that means a Various Artists album and like you my Best Of's
> are under the Artist in question. For these I would set the album artist
> accordingly and ensure that the compilation tag is NOT set.
> 
> For VA albums I do set the compilation tag OR leave all album artist
> blank. The effect is the same.

Similar to d6jg.   I use the COMPILATION tag set to "1" for any album
that has "various artists"  (e.g., soundtracks, best of the decade,
etc.).  For any album that is either all one artist (or mostly that
artistand maybe a few guests) I either use ARTIST tag only, or if
each track doesn't have identical artist (guest artist?) then I fill in
the ALBUM ARTIST tag with the main artist name.  As noted, if all track
artists are NOT the same and one doesn't use the ALBUM ARTIST tag, then
LMS will treat this album as if it is a compilation (even though
compilation tag is not used).

I also use the ALBUM ARTIST tag a lot when the artist has different
names, but I want them all to show up under one artist folder, and under
one artist in my LMS browsing. So for all of these artists, I'd use
"Doug Sahm" as the ALBUM ARTIST. 

The Sir Douglas Quintet
Doug Sahm & Band
Texas Tornados
The Formerly Brothers
etc.

But I would have the ARTIST tag use the actual band name (e.g., Sir
Douglas Quintet), so the album would *also* show up under that artist
name.

Similar for Miles Davis (album artist), but artist might be "Miles Davis
Quintet" or "Miles Davis Sextet" etc.

Regarding ; vs \\.  In my case this produces the same outcome.  In
dbpoweramp (my CD ripper), if I use a ; between artist names in my FLAC
rips it creates two ARTIST tag fields, one for each artist.  If I'm
editing the file tags in mp3tag after the fact, using "" is what tells
it to create two artist fields, or more.  But LMS sees all that the same
(ARTIST has multiple values).

Take the CD, "Two Men with the Blues" by Willie Nelson and Wynton
Marsalis. Here's how i'd tag:

ALBUM:  Two Men with the Blues
ALBUM ARTIST:  Willie Nelson & Wynton Marsalis
ARTIST: Willie Nelson & Wynton Marsalis\\Willie Nelson\\Wynton Marsalis
(if using mp3tag), and this will produce 3 separate ARTIST listings in
the LMS database:

ARTIST:  Willie Nelson & Wynton Marsalis
ARTIST:  Willie Nelson
ARTIST:  Wynton Marsalis

So If I clicked on Wynton Marsalis in "artists" in the LMS menu, I'll
see the album, "Two Men with the Blues" listed. Same with Willie Nelson,
and same with another artist called "Willie Nelson & Wynton Marsalis".  
But from my folder and filing system, the actual digital files live in
an artist folder called "Willie Nelson & Wynton Marsalis"

p.s. I would NOT use the COMPILATION tag for this album.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Any recommendations on how to Tag, Manage - Greatest Hits, Best Of. etc (Same Artist)

2021-01-26 Thread w3wilkes


d6jg wrote: 
> There is a subtle diffrence to ; and \\
> It makes no diffrence to LMS but may do to other music software
> ; uses just the one tag with multiple values in it - LMS separates them
> using ;
> \\ creates multiple tags with the same name - LMS uses all of the tags

Using MP3Tag I believe this may be true for FLAC/Vorbis comments, but I
believe for MP3 either delimiter creates just a single tag.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Any recommendations on how to Tag, Manage - Greatest Hits, Best Of. etc (Same Artist)

2021-01-26 Thread d6jg


Red Storm wrote: 
> Thanks.
> 
> That sounds perfect.
> 
> On a different note:Only just discovered the use of ";" or \\ so just
> tweaking a few albums with partnerships and similar.
> 
> Was a little unsure about - eg Ian Gillan, Gillan, Ian Gillan Band. So
> have created multiple artists using ";" so I can list all under Ian
> Gillan if I want.
> 
> Thanks again

There is a subtle diffrence to ; and \\
It makes no diffrence to LMS but may do to other music software
; uses just the one tag with multiple values in it - LMS separates them
using ;
\\ creates multiple tags with the same name - LMS uses all of the tags



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Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Any recommendations on how to Tag, Manage - Greatest Hits, Best Of. etc (Same Artist)

2021-01-26 Thread Red Storm


Thanks.

That sounds perfect.

On a different note:Only just discovered the use of ";" or "\" so just
tweaking a few albums with partnerships and similar.

Was a little unsure about - eg Ian Gillan, Gillan, Ian Gillan Band. So
have created multiple artists using ";" so I can list all under Ian
Gillan if I want.

Thanks again



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Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Any recommendations on how to Tag, Manage - Greatest Hits, Best Of. etc (Same Artist)

2021-01-26 Thread d6jg


It depends on your interpretation of "compilation"

In my world that means a Various Artists album and like you my Best Of's
are under the Artist in question. For these I would set the album artist
accordingly and ensure that the compilation tag is NOT set.

For VA albums I do set the compilation tag OR leave all album artist
blank. The effect is the same.



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[SlimDevices: Ripping] Any recommendations on how to Tag, Manage - Greatest Hits, Best Of. etc (Same Artist)

2021-01-26 Thread Red Storm


Hi all

Trying to tidy up my Music Library (Not Classical) of CD's, Vinyl Rips
and Web Sourced Albums.

I've tried searching and reading but there's lots of debate on Various
Artists/Compilation behaviour and Bugs etc.

Most of the posts go back many years.

Can I ask what others do in their collections regarding - Greatest
Hits/Best of by the same artist.

I use Tag and rename or Mp3Tag and i'm totally confused by the use of
the Compilation tag (should I use it or not).Should I call these Various
Artist or Compilations.Do I leave Albumartist blank.

At present I have folders for each Artist with all their albums
including Greatest hits in their own folders.

I have one folder for Various Artist with Albums like - 80' hits, best
of motown etc.

Most tracks/artists display as expected but i'm unsure how to manage
these albums.

Thanks in advance



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