[RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver?
http://www.al.com/sports/mobileregister/pfinebaum.ssf?/base/sports/1088241474144560.xml Have we seen last of Oliver? Saturday, June 26, 2004 At 64, Bill Oliver looks healthy as a horse. He is tanned, muscular, still wearing that familiar cocky grin and his closest friends say he still has a burning itch to coach again. But will he? Will one of the finest defensive coordinators in Southeastern Conference history come back to the game that has dealt him a bizarre series of cruel twists and fates? After all, this is a man who, at least by most accounts, had been promised both the head coaching position at Alabama, his alma mater, and at Auburn, where he served five games as interim coach after the tumultuous resignation of Terry Bowden. When you ask Oliver about the past, he shrugs his shoulders as if it doesn't matter any more. He says he is content living at Lake Martin, fishing, gardening, playing golf and spending time with the grandkids. About the future, his response is equally noncommittal. You never know, Oliver said recently. On the record, that's about all you're going to get from a man who rarely did much talking to the news media. However, friends of Oliver say they do know and had Mike Shula opted to replace Joe Kines after last year's calamitous 4-9 record, Oliver would have been more than willing to return to Tuscaloosa, where a dozen years ago he sculpted the Alabama defense into a magnum opus. Gene Stallings made millions and cemented his legacy as a result of the 34-13 win over Miami, which gave Alabama its 12th national championship. Oliver got a nice pat on the back. Going into that 1993 Sugar Bowl game, many thought Stallings was close to retirement. In fact, Hootie Ingram, the Alabama athletics director and the man who hired Oliver from Clemson to work for Stallings, had promised Brother Bill, as he is known affectionately by friends, the job of replacing the man from Paris, Texas. However, Stallings decided to keep coaching and some believe hung on several more years in order to keep Oliver from getting the job. Stallings had tense relations with many of his staff and Oliver was no exception. Finally, in December 1995, when it became plain Stallings was not going to step down -- even in the wake of the devastating NCAA probation over Antonio Langham -- Oliver decided he'd had enough. He and Stallings were barely speaking, so Oliver put in for retirement. Bowden caught wind of this and set up a meeting. Within two weeks, Oliver had signed a lucrative contract to replace Wayne Hall as defensive coordinator on the Plains. Steve Spurrier had also tried to woo Oliver to Gainesville (and later spoke to him about coming to the Washington Redskins). With the move to Auburn, some Alabama fans were outraged and Oliver was nicknamed Benedict Oliver. As the Bowden regime imploded in 1998, Oliver was elevated to replace him, and David Housel, the athletics director, was literally on the verge of naming him the permanent coach until a small band of influential trustees -- along with former coach Pat Dye -- intervened and put the kibosh on Oliver. Eventually, Tommy Tuberville was hired and, despite several conversations, chose not to retain Oliver as defensive coordinator. Oliver sued the university and eventually was given a settlement. My guess is Auburn probably made the right decision in moving forward. Although Oliver was very popular among the players, Auburn needed a clean break. However, the school that may have made the biggest mistake was Alabama. Had Stallings stepped down a year earlier -- and he certainly should have -- it is very likely Oliver would have had a nice and successful run at the Capstone. Oliver, who had been a head coach at Chattanooga, would have been far more mature and able to handle the pressures of the Alabama job than Mike DuBose. It's difficult to say if Alabama would have completely avoided the NCAA mess. However, most agree Oliver would have given the school stronger leadership, something sorely missing during this critical transitional period. Even if Oliver ever coaches again, he will certainly go down in the laurels of this state's football history as a footnote, being the only person in modern time who was promised both the head coaching positions at Alabama and Auburn. The past doesn't matter any more to Oliver; he has moved on. But have we seen the last of him on the state's football fields? Or does Brother Bill have a final act in him? If Alabama fans see a repeat of last year's debacle (see Tennessee converting on a fourth-and-19 in overtime against Alabama's defense), more than likely the chant for Bill Oliver will echo again. (Paul Finebaum's column appears Tuesday and Saturday in the Mobile Register. Contact him at [EMAIL PROTECTED]) __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan!
Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver?
I'm still chanting for him the season hasn't even started yet. I have zero faith in Kines. - Original Message - From: kurtrasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: rtf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 8:34 AM Subject: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver? http://www.al.com/sports/mobileregister/pfinebaum.ssf?/base/sports/1088241474144560.xml Have we seen last of Oliver? Saturday, June 26, 2004 At 64, Bill Oliver looks healthy as a horse. He is tanned, muscular, still wearing that familiar cocky grin and his closest friends say he still has a burning itch to coach again. But will he? Will one of the finest defensive coordinators in Southeastern Conference history come back to the game that has dealt him a bizarre series of cruel twists and fates? After all, this is a man who, at least by most accounts, had been promised both the head coaching position at Alabama, his alma mater, and at Auburn, where he served five games as interim coach after the tumultuous resignation of Terry Bowden. When you ask Oliver about the past, he shrugs his shoulders as if it doesn't matter any more. He says he is content living at Lake Martin, fishing, gardening, playing golf and spending time with the grandkids. About the future, his response is equally noncommittal. You never know, Oliver said recently. On the record, that's about all you're going to get from a man who rarely did much talking to the news media. However, friends of Oliver say they do know and had Mike Shula opted to replace Joe Kines after last year's calamitous 4-9 record, Oliver would have been more than willing to return to Tuscaloosa, where a dozen years ago he sculpted the Alabama defense into a magnum opus. Gene Stallings made millions and cemented his legacy as a result of the 34-13 win over Miami, which gave Alabama its 12th national championship. Oliver got a nice pat on the back. Going into that 1993 Sugar Bowl game, many thought Stallings was close to retirement. In fact, Hootie Ingram, the Alabama athletics director and the man who hired Oliver from Clemson to work for Stallings, had promised Brother Bill, as he is known affectionately by friends, the job of replacing the man from Paris, Texas. However, Stallings decided to keep coaching and some believe hung on several more years in order to keep Oliver from getting the job. Stallings had tense relations with many of his staff and Oliver was no exception. Finally, in December 1995, when it became plain Stallings was not going to step down -- even in the wake of the devastating NCAA probation over Antonio Langham -- Oliver decided he'd had enough. He and Stallings were barely speaking, so Oliver put in for retirement. Bowden caught wind of this and set up a meeting. Within two weeks, Oliver had signed a lucrative contract to replace Wayne Hall as defensive coordinator on the Plains. Steve Spurrier had also tried to woo Oliver to Gainesville (and later spoke to him about coming to the Washington Redskins). With the move to Auburn, some Alabama fans were outraged and Oliver was nicknamed Benedict Oliver. As the Bowden regime imploded in 1998, Oliver was elevated to replace him, and David Housel, the athletics director, was literally on the verge of naming him the permanent coach until a small band of influential trustees -- along with former coach Pat Dye -- intervened and put the kibosh on Oliver. Eventually, Tommy Tuberville was hired and, despite several conversations, chose not to retain Oliver as defensive coordinator. Oliver sued the university and eventually was given a settlement. My guess is Auburn probably made the right decision in moving forward. Although Oliver was very popular among the players, Auburn needed a clean break. However, the school that may have made the biggest mistake was Alabama. Had Stallings stepped down a year earlier -- and he certainly should have -- it is very likely Oliver would have had a nice and successful run at the Capstone. Oliver, who had been a head coach at Chattanooga, would have been far more mature and able to handle the pressures of the Alabama job than Mike DuBose. It's difficult to say if Alabama would have completely avoided the NCAA mess. However, most agree Oliver would have given the school stronger leadership, something sorely missing during this critical transitional period. Even if Oliver ever coaches again, he will certainly go down in the laurels of this state's football history as a footnote, being the only person in modern time who was promised both the head coaching positions at Alabama and Auburn. The past doesn't matter any more to Oliver; he has moved on. But have we seen the last of him on the state's football fields? Or does Brother Bill have a final act in him? If Alabama fans see a repeat of last year's debacle (see Tennessee converting on a fourth-and-19 in overtime against Alabama's defense), more than
[RollTideFan] Gottfried avoids speculation on Ohio State job
*http://www.tidesports.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040626/NEWS/40626001/1011 UPDATE: Gottfried avoids speculation on Ohio State job* By David Wasson Executive Sports Editor June 26, 2004 TUSCALOOSA | University of Alabama men's basketball coach Mark Gottfried made his first public comment surrounding the Ohio State coaching vacancy Saturday morning, but declined to say whether he had contact with the Buckeyes. It is my belief that it isn't appropriate to discuss any job other than the one I have, which by the way is one I really like, Gottfried said in a telephone interview Saturday morning. I've been in similar situations in the past few years, and it is my position not to talk publicly about it. When then asked if he had been contacted by Ohio State, Gottfried replied I think I have already answered that question. Gottfried, who was in Tuscaloosa all day Friday and made several stops at the Mark Gottfried Basketball Camp going on throughout the weekend both at Coleman Coliseum and the university's recreation center, had been declining to comment for two days on the Ohio State issue. He played golf with UA football coach Mike Shula on Thursday morning at Shoal Creek in Birmingham, then spoke at a function in Murray, Ky., before returning to Tuscaloosa on Thursday night. Gottfried, 40, is a Crestline, Ohio, native who is fresh from guiding Alabama to a 20-13 record and a berth in the NCAA Tournament Elite Eight, where the Crimson Tide lost to eventual national champion Connecticut. Asked Wednesday if Ohio State officials had spoken to Gottfried, Buckeyes athletic director Andy Geiger declined to answer. Athletic department spokesman Steve Snapp said later, We have not offered the position to anybody. Snapp was asked if Geiger had talked to Gottfried. He said, The answer would be no. He has not been in contact with him. Among the other potential candidates for Ohio States vacancy, which was created when Jim OBrien was fired on June 8 after Geiger said OBrien admitted he had given $6,000 to a recruit in 1999, are Marquettes Tom Crean, Minnesotas Dan Monson, ESPN analyst George Karl, Los Angeles Lakers assistant Jim Cleamons, Rutgers coach Gary Waters, Penn coach Fran Dunphy and possibly Xavier coach Thad Matta. David Wasson can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or at (205) 722-0229. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
[RollTideFan] After Fran ran, coaches lost some trust
*http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/sports/columns/040626.shtml * *After Fran ran, coaches lost some trust* If not for Dennis Franchione, would anyone in this state take seriously reports that Alabama basketball coach Mark Gottfried is a candidate for the Ohio State job? Although Gottfried's Ohio roots make him a viable name to toss into the melee, there are so many more reasons to believe he'll stay at Alabama, his alma mater and the home to his wife and five children for the past six years. Why spend all this time building a program to the level that he's wanted since he took the job in 1998 only to leave for a losing program that's about to get hit with NCAA sanctions? Why uproot his family? Why move away from his parents, who live in Mobile? Why leave a recruiting pipeline that he's developed that should ensure plenty of new talent for his program for years to come? Why would Gottfried get the job when Ohio State appears to be looking at a list of other candidates that doesn't include him? If Gottfried is set to interview, why wouldn't his former boss and mentor, Jim Harrick, know about it? Harrick told THE DECATUR DAILY's Gentry Estes on Friday that if Gottfried had an interest in the job, he would discuss it with Harrick. Then again, remember 19 months ago when rumors of Franchione leaving Alabama's football program to coach Texas AM's team seemed like total hogwash? That story broke the week of Alabama's annual game with Auburn when The San Antonio (Texas) Express-News reported that Texas AM had fired R.C. Slocum and hired Franchione to replace him. According to ... sources, Dennis Franchione, considered by some to be one of the hottest collegiate coaches in the country, already has resigned his post at Alabama and has accepted the head coaching job at Texas AM, the newspaper reported. Franchione denied the story to reporters the day before facing Auburn and on his Web site, CoachFran.com. I refused to answer the phone today after an idiotic story about Texas AM in the San Antonio paper crossed my desk first thing this morning, Franchione wrote. I don't know how on earth these rumors get started and there's nothing I can do about them. I'd prefer to ignore them if people would let me. This shouldn't even warrant a response. But to put your mind at ease, nothing in that story or things reported to me from e-mails today is true. Less than two weeks later, he was gone to Texas AM. He didn't even return to pack up the stuff in his office, instead having his belongings shipped to Texas by someone else. Franchione had a way of working his words so that he never out-and-out lied. When he wrote those words on his Web site, he had not resigned at Alabama ... yet. He had not accepted the Texas AM job ... yet. In fact, he hadn't even spoken with AM ... yet. It was all done through Franchione's agent and a headhunter that AM hired to go after Franchione or a comparable coach. Before the Auburn game, Franchione also wrote about his contract negotiations with Alabama: I'm saying this for what seems like the millionth time the contract will be settled after the season ends. Details are being worked out by the people who do those things, and it should not be a topic for discussion during Auburn week, or any other week we have a game. Yes, his contract with Alabama was settled after the season Franchione terminated his existing contract with Alabama and chose not to sign an extension. So because of Franchione, nobody's word about college coaching jobs can be taken at face value, less everyone find themselves burned again. It's better these days to be cautious than trusting. So, Mark Gottfried, it's nothing against you. You seem less calculating and more honest than Franchione. But nobody around here will believe for certain you're not headed North until Ohio State holds a news conference for its new basketball coach and somebody other than you is standing behind the podium. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
RE: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pat Smoot Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 10:48 AM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver? I'm still chanting for him the season hasn't even started yet. I have zero faith in Kines. I'm with you on the zero faith in Kines part, but I'm still straddling the fence on Oliver. No doubt he is one of the best defensive minds ever, but I'm not sure that his dreams of getting the head coaching job are totally out of his head. He could end up undermining Shula every chance he got and become a cancer on the staff. Right now, I would probably be on the side of get rid of Kines and leave Oliver at the lake with the grandkids. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver?
Iyamwidjya on that one. Joe It is not my intention to do away with government. It is rather to make it work -- work with us, not over us; stand by our side, not ride on our back. Government can and must provide opportunity, not smother it; foster productivity, not stifle it. Ronald Reagan, First Inaugural Address, January 20, 1981 - Original Message - From: Pat Smoot [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver? I'm still chanting for him the season hasn't even started yet. I have zero faith in Kines. - Original Message - From: kurtrasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: rtf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 8:34 AM Subject: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver? http://www.al.com/sports/mobileregister/pfinebaum.ssf?/base/sports/1088241474144560.xml Have we seen last of Oliver? Saturday, June 26, 2004 At 64, Bill Oliver looks healthy as a horse. He is tanned, muscular, still wearing that familiar cocky grin and his closest friends say he still has a burning itch to coach again. But will he? Will one of the finest defensive coordinators in Southeastern Conference history come back to the game that has dealt him a bizarre series of cruel twists and fates? After all, this is a man who, at least by most accounts, had been promised both the head coaching position at Alabama, his alma mater, and at Auburn, where he served five games as interim coach after the tumultuous resignation of Terry Bowden. When you ask Oliver about the past, he shrugs his shoulders as if it doesn't matter any more. He says he is content living at Lake Martin, fishing, gardening, playing golf and spending time with the grandkids. About the future, his response is equally noncommittal. You never know, Oliver said recently. On the record, that's about all you're going to get from a man who rarely did much talking to the news media. However, friends of Oliver say they do know and had Mike Shula opted to replace Joe Kines after last year's calamitous 4-9 record, Oliver would have been more than willing to return to Tuscaloosa, where a dozen years ago he sculpted the Alabama defense into a magnum opus. Gene Stallings made millions and cemented his legacy as a result of the 34-13 win over Miami, which gave Alabama its 12th national championship. Oliver got a nice pat on the back. Going into that 1993 Sugar Bowl game, many thought Stallings was close to retirement. In fact, Hootie Ingram, the Alabama athletics director and the man who hired Oliver from Clemson to work for Stallings, had promised Brother Bill, as he is known affectionately by friends, the job of replacing the man from Paris, Texas. However, Stallings decided to keep coaching and some believe hung on several more years in order to keep Oliver from getting the job. Stallings had tense relations with many of his staff and Oliver was no exception. Finally, in December 1995, when it became plain Stallings was not going to step down -- even in the wake of the devastating NCAA probation over Antonio Langham -- Oliver decided he'd had enough. He and Stallings were barely speaking, so Oliver put in for retirement. Bowden caught wind of this and set up a meeting. Within two weeks, Oliver had signed a lucrative contract to replace Wayne Hall as defensive coordinator on the Plains. Steve Spurrier had also tried to woo Oliver to Gainesville (and later spoke to him about coming to the Washington Redskins). With the move to Auburn, some Alabama fans were outraged and Oliver was nicknamed Benedict Oliver. As the Bowden regime imploded in 1998, Oliver was elevated to replace him, and David Housel, the athletics director, was literally on the verge of naming him the permanent coach until a small band of influential trustees -- along with former coach Pat Dye -- intervened and put the kibosh on Oliver. Eventually, Tommy Tuberville was hired and, despite several conversations, chose not to retain Oliver as defensive coordinator. Oliver sued the university and eventually was given a settlement. My guess is Auburn probably made the right decision in moving forward. Although Oliver was very popular among the players, Auburn needed a clean break. However, the school that may have made the biggest mistake was Alabama. Had Stallings stepped down a year earlier -- and he certainly should have -- it is very likely Oliver would have had a nice and successful run at the Capstone. Oliver, who had been a head coach at Chattanooga, would have been far more mature and able to handle the pressures of the Alabama job than Mike DuBose. It's difficult to say if Alabama would have completely avoided the NCAA mess. However, most agree Oliver would
Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver?
I watched a DVD recording of the 92 Miami game a few nights ago. The way Oliver's defense decimated the Heisman trophy boy's offense just amazed me. I would love to have that kind of team on the field again. Teague was a force to be reckoned with. Oliver coached him. Could he come back and know his place and act like it? Who knows. Will Kines turn his vanilla defense into a Bama defense? Gawd, I hope so. Joe It is not my intention to do away with government. It is rather to make it work -- work with us, not over us; stand by our side, not ride on our back. Government can and must provide opportunity, not smother it; foster productivity, not stifle it. Ronald Reagan, First Inaugural Address, January 20, 1981 - Original Message - From: Tim Boozer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 11:38 AM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pat Smoot Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 10:48 AM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver? I'm still chanting for him the season hasn't even started yet. I have zero faith in Kines. I'm with you on the zero faith in Kines part, but I'm still straddling the fence on Oliver. No doubt he is one of the best defensive minds ever, but I'm not sure that his dreams of getting the head coaching job are totally out of his head. He could end up undermining Shula every chance he got and become a cancer on the staff. Right now, I would probably be on the side of get rid of Kines and leave Oliver at the lake with the grandkids. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver?
Lord, I remember the Red Elephant Club meeting where BO came up with the game film from that game and went over each and every defensive playthere wasn't much left for the wives after that meeting. It was a true Alabama fest and couldn't get any better...I mean having the man there giving the inside scoop on what the thinking was, how Miami had been planned for and seeing it all executed on THE game filmAGAIN! Those were the days! ScR -Original Message- From: Joe Goodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jun 26, 2004 11:51 AM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver? I watched a DVD recording of the 92 Miami game a few nights ago. The way Oliver's defense decimated the Heisman trophy boy's offense just amazed me. I would love to have that kind of team on the field again. Teague was a force to be reckoned with. Oliver coached him. Could he come back and know his place and act like it? Who knows. Will Kines turn his vanilla defense into a Bama defense? Gawd, I hope so. Joe It is not my intention to do away with government. It is rather to make it work -- work with us, not over us; stand by our side, not ride on our back. Government can and must provide opportunity, not smother it; foster productivity, not stifle it. Ronald Reagan, First Inaugural Address, January 20, 1981 - Original Message - From: Tim Boozer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 11:38 AM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pat Smoot Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 10:48 AM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver? I'm still chanting for him the season hasn't even started yet. I have zero faith in Kines. I'm with you on the zero faith in Kines part, but I'm still straddling the fence on Oliver. No doubt he is one of the best defensive minds ever, but I'm not sure that his dreams of getting the head coaching job are totally out of his head. He could end up undermining Shula every chance he got and become a cancer on the staff. Right now, I would probably be on the side of get rid of Kines and leave Oliver at the lake with the grandkids. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver?
I don't believe at Brother Bill's age, he is going to be after the head coach position any more. His defenses win championships that's all I care about. - Original Message - From: Tim Boozer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 11:38 AM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pat Smoot Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 10:48 AM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver? I'm still chanting for him the season hasn't even started yet. I have zero faith in Kines. I'm with you on the zero faith in Kines part, but I'm still straddling the fence on Oliver. No doubt he is one of the best defensive minds ever, but I'm not sure that his dreams of getting the head coaching job are totally out of his head. He could end up undermining Shula every chance he got and become a cancer on the staff. Right now, I would probably be on the side of get rid of Kines and leave Oliver at the lake with the grandkids. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver?
Teague was a force to be reckoned with. Oliver coached him. Kines could have coached him, too. Teague spent how many years in the League? Think Roman Harper will have that kind of career? Me, neither. Will Kines turn his vanilla defense into a Bama defense? Only when Kines gets the kind of players needed for a Bama defense. We can't turn Anthony Madison into Antonio Langham just by putting a crimson shirt on him. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver?
Do you remember Derrick Thomas? T --- Joe Goodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I watched a DVD recording of the 92 Miami game a few nights ago. The way Oliver's defense decimated the Heisman trophy boy's offense just amazed me. I would love to have that kind of team on the field again. Teague was a force to be reckoned with. Oliver coached him. Could he come back and know his place and act like it? Who knows. Will Kines turn his vanilla defense into a Bama defense? Gawd, I hope so. Joe It is not my intention to do away with government. It is rather to make it work -- work with us, not over us; stand by our side, not ride on our back. Government can and must provide opportunity, not smother it; foster productivity, not stifle it. Ronald Reagan, First Inaugural Address, January 20, 1981 - Original Message - From: Tim Boozer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 11:38 AM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pat Smoot Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 10:48 AM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver? I'm still chanting for him the season hasn't even started yet. I have zero faith in Kines. I'm with you on the zero faith in Kines part, but I'm still straddling the fence on Oliver. No doubt he is one of the best defensive minds ever, but I'm not sure that his dreams of getting the head coaching job are totally out of his head. He could end up undermining Shula every chance he got and become a cancer on the staff. Right now, I would probably be on the side of get rid of Kines and leave Oliver at the lake with the grandkids. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net _ TideFans.com: FREE for the BamaNation FREE Registration on TideFans.com: - FREE Email Address: http://freemail.TideFans.com FREE WebSpace: http://signup.TideFans.com FREE Alabama Newsletter: http://TideFans.com/ALWKLY FREE Message Boards: http://TideFans.com/boards/signup.htm Visit TideFans.com for daily updates on football, recruiting, basketball, baseball, and to share your thoughts in our message boards and chatrooms. Database of all Bama games ever played and more! Best of all...EVERYTHING'S FREE! __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
RE: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver?
The idea that Kines is going anywhere is simply out of this world. That, coming straight from the horse's mouth. Oliver sank his own ship with his appearances on Finebaum. He is persona non grata at the University. That, again, straight from the __ mouth. T --- Tim Boozer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pat Smoot Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 10:48 AM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver? I'm still chanting for him the season hasn't even started yet. I have zero faith in Kines. I'm with you on the zero faith in Kines part, but I'm still straddling the fence on Oliver. No doubt he is one of the best defensive minds ever, but I'm not sure that his dreams of getting the head coaching job are totally out of his head. He could end up undermining Shula every chance he got and become a cancer on the staff. Right now, I would probably be on the side of get rid of Kines and leave Oliver at the lake with the grandkids. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net _ TideFans.com: FREE for the BamaNation FREE Registration on TideFans.com: - FREE Email Address: http://freemail.TideFans.com FREE WebSpace: http://signup.TideFans.com FREE Alabama Newsletter: http://TideFans.com/ALWKLY FREE Message Boards: http://TideFans.com/boards/signup.htm Visit TideFans.com for daily updates on football, recruiting, basketball, baseball, and to share your thoughts in our message boards and chatrooms. Database of all Bama games ever played and more! Best of all...EVERYTHING'S FREE! __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
[RollTideFan] With Kines, this is what is missed...
When Shula got the HC job, his *mentor* on how to handle operations was Joe Kines. Granted, Oliver ran a good D, but his ship has long been sunk. Even with a new AD, sunk. If Kines goes anywhere soon, it'll be to an *office* position. You like the way Shula is handling the HC job...consider who his advisor is. It's not his Dad, it's not CMM... Now, I don't like the fashion in which a few things broke down last year...but, the thought/notion it falls on Kines shoulders? Ain't so. In fact, a lot of it falls on DuBose/fRan and the type of players they brought in. T --- Pat Smoot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't believe at Brother Bill's age, he is going to be after the head coach position any more. His defenses win championships that's all I care about. - Original Message - From: Tim Boozer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 11:38 AM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pat Smoot Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 10:48 AM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver? I'm still chanting for him the season hasn't even started yet. I have zero faith in Kines. I'm with you on the zero faith in Kines part, but I'm still straddling the fence on Oliver. No doubt he is one of the best defensive minds ever, but I'm not sure that his dreams of getting the head coaching job are totally out of his head. He could end up undermining Shula every chance he got and become a cancer on the staff. Right now, I would probably be on the side of get rid of Kines and leave Oliver at the lake with the grandkids. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net _ TideFans.com: FREE for the BamaNation FREE Registration on TideFans.com: - FREE Email Address: http://freemail.TideFans.com FREE WebSpace: http://signup.TideFans.com FREE Alabama Newsletter: http://TideFans.com/ALWKLY FREE Message Boards: http://TideFans.com/boards/signup.htm Visit TideFans.com for daily updates on football, recruiting, basketball, baseball, and to share your thoughts in our message boards and chatrooms. Database of all Bama games ever played and more! Best of all...EVERYTHING'S FREE! __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver?
Who could forget? Joe It is not my intention to do away with government. It is rather to make it work -- work with us, not over us; stand by our side, not ride on our back. Government can and must provide opportunity, not smother it; foster productivity, not stifle it. Ronald Reagan, First Inaugural Address, January 20, 1981 - Original Message - From: Terry Pellman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver? Do you remember Derrick Thomas? T --- Joe Goodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I watched a DVD recording of the 92 Miami game a few nights ago. The way Oliver's defense decimated the Heisman trophy boy's offense just amazed me. I would love to have that kind of team on the field again. Teague was a force to be reckoned with. Oliver coached him. Could he come back and know his place and act like it? Who knows. Will Kines turn his vanilla defense into a Bama defense? Gawd, I hope so. Joe It is not my intention to do away with government. It is rather to make it work -- work with us, not over us; stand by our side, not ride on our back. Government can and must provide opportunity, not smother it; foster productivity, not stifle it. Ronald Reagan, First Inaugural Address, January 20, 1981 - Original Message - From: Tim Boozer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 11:38 AM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pat Smoot Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 10:48 AM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver? I'm still chanting for him the season hasn't even started yet. I have zero faith in Kines. I'm with you on the zero faith in Kines part, but I'm still straddling the fence on Oliver. No doubt he is one of the best defensive minds ever, but I'm not sure that his dreams of getting the head coaching job are totally out of his head. He could end up undermining Shula every chance he got and become a cancer on the staff. Right now, I would probably be on the side of get rid of Kines and leave Oliver at the lake with the grandkids. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net _ TideFans.com: FREE for the BamaNation FREE Registration on TideFans.com: - FREE Email Address: http://freemail.TideFans.com FREE WebSpace: http://signup.TideFans.com FREE Alabama Newsletter: http://TideFans.com/ALWKLY FREE Message Boards: http://TideFans.com/boards/signup.htm Visit TideFans.com for daily updates on football, recruiting, basketball, baseball, and to share your thoughts in our message boards and chatrooms. Database of all Bama games ever played and more! Best of all...EVERYTHING'S FREE! __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver?
I missed that one. How bad was it? Joe It is not my intention to do away with government. It is rather to make it work -- work with us, not over us; stand by our side, not ride on our back. Government can and must provide opportunity, not smother it; foster productivity, not stifle it. Ronald Reagan, First Inaugural Address, January 20, 1981 - Original Message - From: Terry Pellman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 12:47 PM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver? The idea that Kines is going anywhere is simply out of this world. That, coming straight from the horse's mouth. Oliver sank his own ship with his appearances on Finebaum. He is persona non grata at the University. That, again, straight from the __ mouth. T --- Tim Boozer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pat Smoot Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 10:48 AM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver? I'm still chanting for him the season hasn't even started yet. I have zero faith in Kines. I'm with you on the zero faith in Kines part, but I'm still straddling the fence on Oliver. No doubt he is one of the best defensive minds ever, but I'm not sure that his dreams of getting the head coaching job are totally out of his head. He could end up undermining Shula every chance he got and become a cancer on the staff. Right now, I would probably be on the side of get rid of Kines and leave Oliver at the lake with the grandkids. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net _ TideFans.com: FREE for the BamaNation FREE Registration on TideFans.com: - FREE Email Address: http://freemail.TideFans.com FREE WebSpace: http://signup.TideFans.com FREE Alabama Newsletter: http://TideFans.com/ALWKLY FREE Message Boards: http://TideFans.com/boards/signup.htm Visit TideFans.com for daily updates on football, recruiting, basketball, baseball, and to share your thoughts in our message boards and chatrooms. Database of all Bama games ever played and more! Best of all...EVERYTHING'S FREE! __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
[RollTideFan] jupiter aligns with mars...
http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/29/29335/folders/154876/1115032P1010001.JPG The riding mower, the weed eater, and the push mower all werked this weekend. At the same time! Iyam give out! :) kurt--love will steer the stars __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] jupiter aligns with mars...
Want me to burn that bresh pile fer ye? Slef E. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 7:01 PM Subject: [RollTideFan] jupiter aligns with mars... http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/29/29335/folders/154876/1115032P1010001.JPG The riding mower, the weed eater, and the push mower all werked this weekend. At the same time! Iyam give out! :) kurt--love will steer the stars __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver?
- Original Message - From: Jason Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver? Teague was a force to be reckoned with. Oliver coached him. Kines could have coached him, too. Yes, and Teague probably wouldn't have been as good after four years with Kines as he was as a Senior in high school. Teague spent how many years in the League? Six, or several thanks to the expert tutelage of Brother and CGS. Think Roman Harper will have that kind of career? Me, neither. Think Harper will get any worthwhile coaching while he's at BAMA? Me, neither. Will Kines turn his vanilla defense into a Bama defense? Only when Kines gets the kind of players needed for a Bama defense. You mean a finished product kind of player that he can't fsck up. We can't turn Anthony Madison into Antonio Langham just by putting a crimson shirt on him. Langham would have been a RB if Brother hadn't persuaded CGS to let him have him. I read that somewhere not too long ago. Slef E. (The *E* stands for FIRE JOE KINES!) __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver?
I'm not a huge Joe Kines fan either, but I think he had shit to work with last year, and will again this year. And I find it curious that according to season stats, our offense sucked MUCH worse than our defense last year. And it was basically Shula's offense. But I don't hear a deafening fire Shula chorus like I do for Joe Kines. Given our situation last year, I think we would have sucked with Lombardi, Bryant and Tom Landry coaching. And I don't think we'll be much better this year. - Original Message - From: Jeff Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Slef E. (The *E* stands for FIRE JOE KINES!) __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver?
- Original Message - From: Jason Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver? I'm not a huge Joe Kines fan either, but I think he had shit to work with last year, and will again this year. He had enough shit to work with to beat Tennessee and Arkansas. AND DIDN'T! And I find it curious that according to season stats, our offense sucked MUCH worse than our defense last year. Looks And it was basically Shula's offense. But I don't hear a deafening fire Shula chorus like I do for Joe Kines. Shula's offense scored more than enough points to beat Tennessee and Arkansas. But while I'm at it...FIRE DAVE RADER! Given our situation last year, I think we would have sucked with Lombardi, Bryant and Tom Landry coaching. No way in hell we'd have lost to Tennessee and Arkansas with any one of that trio calling the defense, much less all three. And I don't think we'll be much better this year. I think we'll be at least two wins better. And if Shula leaves that Catholic Cult and becomes a good, old-fashioned Southern Baptist we'll win seven. Roll Tide!! Slef E. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] With Kines, this is what is missed...
Kines was not a good D coorinator the first time and won't be now. For the life of me I can't figure out why CMS would consult Perkins when he still has his dad RTR LC --- Terry Pellman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When Shula got the HC job, his *mentor* on how to handle operations was Joe Kines. Granted, Oliver ran a good D, but his ship has long been sunk. Even with a new AD, sunk. If Kines goes anywhere soon, it'll be to an *office* position. You like the way Shula is handling the HC job...consider who his advisor is. It's not his Dad, it's not CMM... Now, I don't like the fashion in which a few things broke down last year...but, the thought/notion it falls on Kines shoulders? Ain't so. In fact, a lot of it falls on DuBose/fRan and the type of players they brought in. T --- Pat Smoot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't believe at Brother Bill's age, he is going to be after the head coach position any more. His defenses win championships that's all I care about. - Original Message - From: Tim Boozer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 11:38 AM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pat Smoot Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 10:48 AM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of Oliver? I'm still chanting for him the season hasn't even started yet. I have zero faith in Kines. I'm with you on the zero faith in Kines part, but I'm still straddling the fence on Oliver. No doubt he is one of the best defensive minds ever, but I'm not sure that his dreams of getting the head coaching job are totally out of his head. He could end up undermining Shula every chance he got and become a cancer on the staff. Right now, I would probably be on the side of get rid of Kines and leave Oliver at the lake with the grandkids. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net _ TideFans.com: FREE for the BamaNation FREE Registration on TideFans.com: - FREE Email Address: http://freemail.TideFans.com FREE WebSpace: http://signup.TideFans.com FREE Alabama Newsletter: http://TideFans.com/ALWKLY FREE Message Boards: http://TideFans.com/boards/signup.htm Visit TideFans.com for daily updates on football, recruiting, basketball, baseball, and to share your thoughts in our message boards and chatrooms. Database of all Bama games ever played and more! Best of all...EVERYTHING'S FREE! __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
