Re: [Samba] distribute/deploy software to clients
Ed Plese wrote: On Sun, Nov 07, 2004 at 05:04:29PM +0100, Florian Effenberger wrote: I run a Windows domain based on Samba 3 and I am searching for a way to distribute/deploy software to clients. Sorry for the late response, but to add to the list of responses, http://www.pcrdist.org/ has always seemed like a neat idea. It's even free now. I haven't taken the time to thoroughly try it out yet though. I also have a late response. There is a project called WPKG - http://wpkg.sourceforge.net - which also serves this purpose. It was already mentioned it this topic. As the web page for this project looked rather terrible and didn't tell much what WPKG does, I decided to help them and make them a (hopefully) better page - it now consists of some basic (corrected) documentation, mailing list (there was none previously), etc. all necessary stuff (if I forgot abut something, let me know). There is a http backend planned for WPKG, too. Tomek -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] distribute/deploy software to clients
On Sun, Nov 07, 2004 at 05:04:29PM +0100, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello, I run a Windows domain based on Samba 3 and I am searching for a way to distribute/deploy software to clients. Sorry for the late response, but to add to the list of responses, http://www.pcrdist.org/ has always seemed like a neat idea. It's even free now. I haven't taken the time to thoroughly try it out yet though. Ed -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] distribute/deploy software to clients
http://www.opennet.ru/docs/RUS/windows_auto_inst/index.html I'm not sure most people understand russian, but the article itself is just amazing! If You won't find any translator, let me know, I'll translate it. /me doesn't understand Russian. ;-) -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] distribute/deploy software to clients
Florian Effenberger wrote: http://www.opennet.ru/docs/RUS/windows_auto_inst/index.html I'm not sure most people understand russian, but the article itself is just amazing! If You won't find any translator, let me know, I'll translate it. /me doesn't understand Russian. ;-) /me neither :) Tomek -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] distribute/deploy software to clients
http://www.opennet.ru/docs/RUS/windows_auto_inst/index.html I'm not sure most people understand russian, but the article itself is just amazing! If You won't find any translator, let me know, I'll translate it. /me doesn't understand Russian. ;-) not very hard language to learn :-) German is much harder. At least I know many people in Germany who speak Russian. ok, I'll translate it. Cheers, Ilia Chipitsine -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] distribute/deploy software to clients
http://www.opennet.ru/docs/RUS/windows_auto_inst/index.html I'm not sure most people understand russian, but the article itself is just amazing! If You won't find any translator, let me know, I'll translate it. /me doesn't understand Russian. ;-) http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.opennet.ru%2Fdocs%2FRUS%2Fwindows_auto_inst%2Findex.htmllp=ru_en -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] distribute/deploy software to clients
Hi Florian, just to keep it simple, there is no ultimate way for deploy software. In all solutions , free or not free, you have to repack the progs. ( some may work easy others dont ) So it depends on you what you prefer. There is a sourceforge project called unattended ( i think , with a lot of tips ) a good prof solution is netinstall. ( very prof, but expensive ) Last time i used to do it with rexecservice http://www.codeproject.com/system/remoteexec.asp?df=100forumid=14084exp=0select=718310 this piece of code runs as service on win machines in addition with psexec and psinfo ( maybe wget for win )you can check the installed software on a win client maybe pump the info in a database, install or reinstall if needed ,with cpau you can make this as admin ), so this pieces gives you absolut freeware deployment service, and free to code its behavior with native dos tools and .bat-files. There is also a half prof solution from a company in germany which i looked at linuxtag. http://www.uib.de/www/download/index.html this company offers a complete solution for deploy whole windows installs and software deploy, the stuff is open source , you can rewrite if you want ,its based on debian woody server , its used in a german stateoffice so its clear it works well. the company only earns money with their repack of the packs which is needed here too. But this people really earn respect, and for smaller companies i would recommend this solution as ideal. Best Regards Florian Effenberger schrieb: Hello, I run a Windows domain based on Samba 3 and I am searching for a way to distribute/deploy software to clients. I.e., a user logging on to a client, software should be automatically installed or upgraded. Is there any common solution? I heard of MSI packages, but I don't know if it is necessary to create MSI packages of all installations... Thanks Florian -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] distribute/deploy software to clients
Hi! We have been using AutoIt with wpkg scripts for a while as a deployment solution with win2k workstations. It is quite simple solution but has been good enough for us. http://sourceforge.net/projects/wpkg/ hannu -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] distribute/deploy software to clients
Hi, We have been using AutoIt with wpkg scripts for a while as a deployment solution with win2k workstations. It is quite simple solution but has been good enough for us. http://sourceforge.net/projects/wpkg/ Thanks for the feedback, will have a look at it! :-) Florian -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] distribute/deploy software to clients
Hi Robert, thanks for these links, I will check them out! I wonder that no one has ever deployed a real good solution. We can fly to the moon, but we can't install packages pre-configured automatically. What a mess... ;-) Florian -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] distribute/deploy software to clients
Hi Florian, this depends on the variable ways software is packed in windows and what you want from a deployment solution to do. So writing a all featured solution would be to much for a open source project i think. Perhaps MS sometime will release a good working solution themselves, then the way would be free to clone this with open source, but i see no solution comming up getting standart. I know big companies in germany which do it with netinstall which has very advanced features. Nevertheless netinstall also need fundamental knowledge of the application and the software you wanna to release. In big companies you have not a real clean windows install it is more a windows company client, patched with regs and stuff the company needs , also this clients are diveded in groups like managers, admins etc. so the permissions are granulated very fine, who gets what,when and how. So the deploy Admins know every second which was released to who on what and why. ( this is fundamental for licence Problems at expensive software ) Same goes to security updates, cause every stuff must be validated first against all company involved software, so there are many companies which havent done service pack 4 win 2000 yet for example, cause they arent closed to test it with their sap client ( all examples here ). At the end these companies have outsourced this whole stuff to externals, so you have political problems, too. Or which man in the department of a company is allowed to notice the admin to give one of the users permission to install that very expensive superbooster.exe ( example ). So you need a workflow/software-database involved. So you see deploying is no ta easy thing done , if your net grows bigger, it needs to be well thinked off. Best Regards Florian Effenberger schrieb: Hi Robert, thanks for these links, I will check them out! I wonder that no one has ever deployed a real good solution. We can fly to the moon, but we can't install packages pre-configured automatically. What a mess... ;-) Florian -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] distribute/deploy software to clients
Hi there, I see, it'll be a lot of work. ;-) But the unattended.sf.net site has some valueable information that might help! Florian -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] distribute/deploy software to clients
Florian == Florian Effenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, Florian I run a Windows domain based on Samba 3 and I am Florian searching for a way to distribute/deploy software to clients. Not really samba related, but as nothing better has popped up atm : http://adamoto.sourceforge.net/ HTH Eric Masson -- Floriano veux détruire le ng , alors pour quoi ne pas le résusiter juste après sa destruction je m'explique il ne veux plus de ce groupe ben ont en recrée un nouveau du même nom -+- L in GNU - Neuneu fait des miracles -+- -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] distribute/deploy software to clients
On Monday 08 November 2004 06:18, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi Robert, thanks for these links, I will check them out! I wonder that no one has ever deployed a real good solution. We can fly to the moon, but we can't install packages pre-configured automatically. What a mess... ;-) No, no, ... What a messy feature! :) In the Microsoft world there are two primary ways to handle remote roll-outs: 1. Build a machine that is exactly as you want it for the target hardware - on the target hardware - then image it using a tool such as Norton Ghost (Symantec Ghost) Enterprise level, create an ISO that is self-booting, distribute it via PXE. 2. Build an MSI Image of all you want to install on a target workstation using the tools from the MS Windows XPP Resource Kit or the MS Windows 2003 Server Resource Kit. Distribute it via ADS controls. There are many other options, but these are the main ones in common use that I am aware of. The first is the most commonly used method in my experience. One of the most common criticisms I hear about Linux and Samba deployment concerns the matter of how to roll out new desktop configurations using controlled mass roll-out methods. I have bumped into companies that what to deploy up to 3000 machines in one hit this way. This issue has been raised with increasing frequency over the past 2 years. That is why I am keen to document a good method in the official Samba docs. All submissions of working methods that anyone is using to solve this mess are most welcome. I'll summarize them into the Samba-HOWTO-Collection. Cheers, John T. -- John H Terpstra Samba-Team Member Phone: +1 (650) 580-8668 Author: The Official Samba-3 HOWTO Reference Guide, ISBN: 0131453556 Samba-3 by Example, ISBN: 0131472216 Hardening Linux, ISBN: 0072254971 Other books in production. -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
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Hi Eric, Not really samba related, but as nothing better has popped up atm : http://adamoto.sourceforge.net/ Thanks, has been bookmarked! Florian -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] distribute/deploy software to clients
Hi John, All submissions of working methods that anyone is using to solve this mess are most welcome. I'll summarize them into the Samba-HOWTO-Collection. I will try to implement something throughout the next months and will let you know as soon as I have it. :-) Florian -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] distribute/deploy software to clients
John H Terpstra wrote: One of the most common criticisms I hear about Linux and Samba deployment concerns the matter of how to roll out new desktop configurations using controlled mass roll-out methods. I have bumped into companies that what to deploy up to 3000 machines in one hit this way. This issue has been raised with increasing frequency over the past 2 years. That is why I am keen to document a good method in the official Samba docs. All submissions of working methods that anyone is using to solve this mess are most welcome. I'll summarize them into the Samba-HOWTO-Collection. Mass roll-out of many clients can be used using Unattended (unattended.sf.net). Tomek -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] distribute/deploy software to clients
Florian Effenberger schrieb: Hi Eric, Not really samba related, but as nothing better has popped up atm : http://adamoto.sourceforge.net/ Thanks, has been bookmarked! Florian looks very nice -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] distribute/deploy software to clients
http://www.opennet.ru/docs/RUS/windows_auto_inst/index.html I'm not sure most people understand russian, but the article itself is just amazing! If You won't find any translator, let me know, I'll translate it. Cheers, Ilia Chipitsine Hi Robert, thanks for these links, I will check them out! I wonder that no one has ever deployed a real good solution. We can fly to the moon, but we can't install packages pre-configured automatically. What a mess... ;-) Florian -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] distribute/deploy software to clients
Florian, Please keep me updated on your findings and in particular on the solution you end up using. I believe it would be most useful to document this in the Samba-HOWTO-Collection. I look forward to your feedback. Cheers, John T. On Sunday 07 November 2004 09:04, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello, I run a Windows domain based on Samba 3 and I am searching for a way to distribute/deploy software to clients. I.e., a user logging on to a client, software should be automatically installed or upgraded. Is there any common solution? I heard of MSI packages, but I don't know if it is necessary to create MSI packages of all installations... Thanks Florian -- John H Terpstra Samba-Team Member Phone: +1 (650) 580-8668 Author: The Official Samba-3 HOWTO Reference Guide, ISBN: 0131453556 Samba-3 by Example, ISBN: 0131472216 Hardening Linux, ISBN: 0072254971 Other books in production. -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] distribute/deploy software to clients
Hi John, Please keep me updated on your findings and in particular on the solution you end up using. I believe it would be most useful to document this in the Samba-HOWTO-Collection. Of course, will do as soon as I know something. ;-) A good page is www.gruppenrichtlinien.de , but it seems that it is impossible without manual scripting. Thanks Florian -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] distribute/deploy software to clients
Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello, I run a Windows domain based on Samba 3 and I am searching for a way to distribute/deploy software to clients. I.e., a user logging on to a client, software should be automatically installed or upgraded. Is there any common solution? I heard of MSI packages, but I don't know if it is necessary to create MSI packages of all installations... The only solution I'm aware of is MS Active Directory (distributed software installation)... But I'd be glad to get something that is Open Source, too. If you just want to install a system + your applications, try Unattended (unattended.sf.net). Tomek -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
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Hi Thomasz, is this page available also in English? Unfortunately not. :-( Florian -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] distribute/deploy software to clients
Hi Thomasz, The only solution I'm aware of is MS Active Directory (distributed software installation)... Which needs a MS Windows 2000/2003 Server, and that's exactly what I wanted to omit using Samba. ;-) If you just want to install a system + your applications, try Unattended (unattended.sf.net). Do you know if unattended can install some software afterwards, or has the whole system to be reinstalled as soon as I change something in my package list? BTW, http://unattended.sourceforge.net/installers.html is very interesting! Florian -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
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Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi Thomasz, is this page available also in English? Unfortunately not. :-( OK, I know *some* German, but not computer / technical German :) Before I start translating this page - could you sum up what's that about? And if this solution is open source, or not? Tomek -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] distribute/deploy software to clients
Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi Thomasz, The only solution I'm aware of is MS Active Directory (distributed software installation)... Which needs a MS Windows 2000/2003 Server, and that's exactly what I wanted to omit using Samba. ;-) If you just want to install a system + your applications, try Unattended (unattended.sf.net). Do you know if unattended can install some software afterwards, or has the whole system to be reinstalled as soon as I change something in my package list? unattended itself can't - but I'm sure people at its mailing groups will have some knowledge - I saw some of the topics there is about automatic software installation, also after OS is installed. so - who starts the topic there, you or me? :) BTW, http://unattended.sourceforge.net/installers.html is very interesting! yep, you can learn a bit from it :) there is also a scripting language, Kixtart - http://www.kixtart.org/ - which I've heard is capable of doing such stuff - but never used it (see my topic netlogon scripts for machines / groups - possible? from 04.11.04 on samba*lists.samba.org). Tomek -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] distribute/deploy software to clients
Hi, OK, I know *some* German, but not computer / technical German :) Before I start translating this page - could you sum up what's that about? And if this solution is open source, or not? It's from a Microsoft Most Valuable Professional (MVP) describing the group policies, offering some downloads and has also a Samba section. But nothing that helps for our problem. Florian -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] distribute/deploy software to clients
Hi Tomek, unattended itself can't - but I'm sure people at its mailing groups will have some knowledge - I saw some of the topics there is about automatic software installation, also after OS is installed. so - who starts the topic there, you or me? :) Could you check these lists and get back to the Samba list when you have some information around? ;-) there is also a scripting language, Kixtart - http://www.kixtart.org/ - which I've heard is capable of doing such stuff - but never used it (see my topic netlogon scripts for machines / groups - possible? from 04.11.04 on samba*lists.samba.org). Will check that, thanks! Florian -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] distribute/deploy software to clients
Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi Tomek, unattended itself can't - but I'm sure people at its mailing groups will have some knowledge - I saw some of the topics there is about automatic software installation, also after OS is installed. so - who starts the topic there, you or me? :) Could you check these lists and get back to the Samba list when you have some information around? ;-) OK, will ask them and elaborate on that here as soon as I get any replies. Tomek -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
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Hi Tomek, OK, will ask them and elaborate on that here as soon as I get any replies. Thanks! Florian -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
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Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi Tomek, OK, will ask them and elaborate on that here as soon as I get any replies. Well, seems like that topic was discussed there many times (at least that's what they replied). For archives, see: :) http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=12696 I didn't find anything yet, but as I understood from the reply, it is done like that: 1) Unattended installs OS with pre-filled values, 2) after the OS is installed, a script is run (automatically as Administrator of that machine), which installs desired software (e.g. Office, Acrobar Reader etc., sets if Windows Updates should be made and when, and stuff like that), 3) after everything is done, something is added to a registry, that runs a script as an Administrator (from \\server\location\update.bat) of that machine each time it is booted; in this script there is a definition what software should be installed where. I'm not sure how to do point 3 right now, though. :) Tomek -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
