[scifinoir2] Movie Review: The Rise of Cobra 100% SPOILER FREE
Hey guys, As you know, Rise of Cobra was released yesterday here in the US. I just got in from seeing it today. All I have to say is WOW. The movie was very well done. For the most part, it stayed true to the comic book series. It did have it's campy moments, but they were few and far between while remaining enjoyable at the same time. There were some twists on a few action movie cliches. One bright spot, you didn't have to wait for the action. G.I. Joe shows up pretty early in the movie and brings tonnes of action with them. While I didn't and still don't like the international Special Forces thing, I have to say that it really works. Best of all, for fans of G.I.Joe there were plenty of easter eggs throughout the movie. They really don't contribute to the plot, but your heart skips a beat everytime you see one. It's really kid friendly without being overtly so. There's almost no profanity, although the characters do say sugar honey iced tea a few times but that's about it. ALL of the characters were executed very well. There weren't any that felt like an after thought or filler characters. All in all it was a really good movie. Definitely see it if you can. I've been waiting for a GIJoe live action movie since I was 12. (I'm 31 now) Out of what I'd really want to see in a live action GIJoe flick I'd say that I got about 85% of what I really wanted. Please if you've seen the movie don't talk about it in this thread. I just wanted to endorse the movie for all of those who had doubts about it. I hope this helps.
[scifinoir2] Re: G.I. Joe is AWOL for critics
Two Words AWE SOME. it's all of the episodes. It should still be up on youtube. here's a working link to the first part http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plAojf-KVog they broke them up into 11 5 minute mini episodes. there might be an series on adult swim, but i'm not sure. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: Did you see GI Joe Resolute? On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 5:28 PM, votomguy votom...@... wrote: I'll be seeing it on Saturday. As a hardcore fan of GIJoe, the best I'm hoping for is for the movie to not suck. I refuse to call it GIJoe. I've been calling it Action Force featuring GIJoe for the past month or so. For the uninitiated Action Force is what the GIJoe comics were called in the UK and Europe. For all those hardcore GIJoe fans like me, look at the brightside at least we had Resolute which kicked serious butt. Failing that, I'll pick up The Story of GIJoe and call that my GIJoe for the summer. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ wrote: Last time I saw this stunt pulled, it was because the movie was so bad that, in the opinion of one critic, it never should have been released. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090804/en_nm/us_gijoe_1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
[scifinoir2] Re: What was the last SF novel you read that made you go WOW!?
Well it wasn't a novel, but a short story written in 1989. David Drake's At Any Price. It takes place in the Hammer's Slammers Universe on a predominiately African World where Islamic fundamentalists have taken over and are killing black Islamic followers who don't convert to becoming Arab Muslims. In lieu of the Darfar situation, it definitely hit you like a punch in the gut, but in a good way as it was thought provoking. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ravenadal ravena...@... wrote: The question about Asimov's Foundation septology leads me to ask what was the last SF novel you read that made you go WOW! And, by that, I mean the last novel that made your head spin around. For me it was William Gibson's Neuromancer and that was published in 1984, twenty-five years ago! By-the-by, I am only interested in novel novels - do not summit graphic novels. Thanks, ~rave!
[scifinoir2] Re: G.I. Joe is AWOL for critics
I'll be seeing it on Saturday. As a hardcore fan of GIJoe, the best I'm hoping for is for the movie to not suck. I refuse to call it GIJoe. I've been calling it Action Force featuring GIJoe for the past month or so. For the uninitiated Action Force is what the GIJoe comics were called in the UK and Europe. For all those hardcore GIJoe fans like me, look at the brightside at least we had Resolute which kicked serious butt. Failing that, I'll pick up The Story of GIJoe and call that my GIJoe for the summer. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: Last time I saw this stunt pulled, it was because the movie was so bad that, in the opinion of one critic, it never should have been released. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090804/en_nm/us_gijoe_1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] SeaQuest DSV,
Is it sad that I liked the show even after the Alien Hijacking? I thought it was awesome. I did have a hard time accepting Ironside as a hero. I was an 80s baby and grew up with him being the top henchman in every other action flick. He didn't do a terrible job. **cough Starship Troopers cough** Ironside not withstanding, I think I watched it pretty much until the end. the Alien Hijacking was awesome, but they probably shouldn't have come back to Earth. DSV: Atlantis or something. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: Could have indeed, George. I watched it faithfully until the Alien Hijacking Ep. (shudder) -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] SeaQuest DSV, Date : Sat, 18 Jul 2009 03:30:31 -0700 (PDT) From : George Arterberry brotherfromhow...@... To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Haven't watched since it aired on NBC. If this show didn't jump the shark it could have been real good. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
[scifinoir2] Re: It's Buffy's Fault That Vampires Are Weak Now
And what's with all the pedo vampires. I'm sorry but you're hundreds of years old what do you see in an 18/19/20 yr old at that friggin age. Heck, I'm 31 and I won't look at a woman younger than 24. DEATH TO THE PEDOVAMPS!!
[scifinoir2] Re: Anyone going to Comic Con in San Diego?
I gave up on Black Panther when Priest stopped writing it --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, George Arterberry brotherfromhow...@... wrote: Wanna hear Reginald Hudlin's excuse for Black Panther
[scifinoir2] Re: Steele: I'll Woo Blacks To GOP With Fried Chicken And Potato Salad
I was done with the republican party when they elect a black guy as the head of the RNC and then gets called out as not being the head of the republican party. gee i thought that's what the chair of the RNC was. and then you still want me to believe that sarah sho me the money palin is more qualified than a harvard grad. I consider myself to be a republican, but I followed Powell's lead and jumped ship too. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, B. Smith daikaij...@... wrote: He's somewhere beteen Alan Keyes and Clarence Thomas. I heard his defense of the racist comments from the newly elected president of the Young Republicans and it was sickening. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, votomguy votomguy@ wrote: Colin Powell he is not. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, L Freeman msles59130@ wrote: Sigh. Oh, Michael, what can we even say about you? But remember all, even though it may SEEM like he is a monumental moron, this is all a part of some strategy that we can't yet comprehend. It is all just a part of his plan. --- On Tue, 7/14/09, Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ Subject: [scifinoir2] Steele: I'll Woo Blacks To GOP With Fried Chicken And Potato Salad To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Cc: ' Lockhart, Daryle ' daryle@, afrikanmind@, 'Albert Fields' cbilmarketing@, bettillee@, CINQUE cinque3000@, 'Cleo' cleo.wadley@, dorothyhamm@, duvalny@, fisren@, 'GTW' GWashin891@, 'Jeffrey Ballou' jeffreypballou@, 'Kai Pettaway' killakai@, kalpubinc@, keithbjohnson@, 'Kera' imkeedy@, kimberly@, 'Leroy Hughes' seriousnupe87@, 'Logic' logic1914@, 'Martin Baxter' Truthseeker013@, 'Marvalous' mmb1908@, 'Michael Gordon' gordonm@, michael.v.w.gordon@, 'ravenadal' ravenadal@, rsjw3@, 'Seku Brathwaite' everythingist@, 'Valery Jean' valeryjean77@, 'Wendell Theophilus Smith' wendellsmithis@, 'Whitney J Evans' sonofafieldnegro@, williamsfred@, 'Zanfordino Anthony' betaque@ Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 10:57 PM Sadly this is NOT satire The Young Republicans convention was held in Indianapolis last weekend and their election of a racist, middle-aged woman as President isn't the only controversial item to come out of the GOP gathering. Local Republican blog Hoosier Access was able to get RNC Chairman Michael Steele to sit down with a group of bloggers and they taped the conversation. The old gaffe-o-matic (or as I like to call him, the Republican Joe Biden!) answers a question from a gay person of color in this clip about the GOP's diversity outreach. Yes, that's right. To lure African-Americans into the GOP, Steele is offering fried chicken and potato salad. Since he mentions Republicans should also be reaching out to the LGBT community, I wonder what stereotype he's going to offer us? Buttplugs and Birkenstocks? See the video http://www.huffingt onpost.com/ bil-browning/ steele-gop- woos-blacks- wi_b_231534. html
[scifinoir2] Re: Bill Cosby Does it Again... Profound!
While I agree with the spirit of what was said, I think that there's this
misconception that Blacks can't or won't speak English. It's called DIALECT.
The simple fact is that there are people from England who can't speak good
English. We tend to focus on too many of the wrong things when it comes to
fixing what's wrong with our communities. We don't spend enough time trying to
fix why black men drop their seed and roll when the woman gets pregnant. And
where's the support for these 2, 12, 18 yr olds to fill in the gap. Instead
it's easier to look the other way and say someone needs to take care of their
responsiblity. It's comparable to the problem of US infrastructure falling
apart. We've known about the problem for years, but we'll wait until the
problem costs too much in resources to fix or worse we wait until a bridge
collapses. At least the single mom is working at Walmart, there was a time when
she would be on welfare. Lack of fathers is the primary cause of most of this,
but then noone wants to take time out to teach men without fathers what it
means to be a father. Its easier to just give some speech and tell them about
fatherhood. Noone wants to get their hands dirty. Unfortunately, that includes
Dr Cosby.
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'They're standing on the corner and they can't speak English.
I can't even talk the way these people talk:
Why you ain't,
Where you is,
What he drive,
Where he stay,
Where he work,
Who you be...
And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk.
And then I heard the father talk.
Everybody knows it's important to speak English except these knuckleheads.
You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth
In fact you will never get any kind of job making a decent living.
People marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an Education, and
now we've got these knuckleheads walking around.
The lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal.
These people are not parenting. They are buying things for kids.
$500 sneakers for what?
And they won't spend $200 for Hooked on Phonics.
I am talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in
an orange suit.
Where were you when he
[scifinoir2] Re: Steele: I'll Woo Blacks To GOP With Fried Chicken And Potato Salad
Colin Powell he is not. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, L Freeman msles59...@... wrote: Sigh. Oh, Michael, what can we even say about you? But remember all, even though it may SEEM like he is a monumental moron, this is all a part of some strategy that we can't yet comprehend. It is all just a part of his plan. --- On Tue, 7/14/09, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... Subject: [scifinoir2] Steele: I'll Woo Blacks To GOP With Fried Chicken And Potato Salad To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Cc: ' Lockhart, Daryle ' dar...@..., afrikanm...@..., 'Albert Fields' cbilmarket...@..., bettil...@..., CINQUE cinque3...@..., 'Cleo' cleo.wad...@..., dorothyh...@..., duva...@..., fis...@..., 'GTW' gwashin...@..., 'Jeffrey Ballou' jeffreypbal...@..., 'Kai Pettaway' killa...@..., kalpub...@..., keithbjohn...@..., 'Kera' imke...@..., kimbe...@..., 'Leroy Hughes' seriousnup...@..., 'Logic' logic1...@..., 'Martin Baxter' truthseeker...@..., 'Marvalous' mmb1...@..., 'Michael Gordon' gord...@..., michael.v.w.gor...@..., 'ravenadal' ravena...@..., rs...@..., 'Seku Brathwaite' everything...@..., 'Valery Jean' valeryjea...@..., 'Wendell Theophilus Smith' wendellsmit...@..., 'Whitney J Evans' sonofafieldne...@..., williamsf...@..., 'Zanfordino Anthony' beta...@... Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 10:57 PM Sadly this is NOT satire The Young Republicans convention was held in Indianapolis last weekend and their election of a racist, middle-aged woman as President isn't the only controversial item to come out of the GOP gathering. Local Republican blog Hoosier Access was able to get RNC Chairman Michael Steele to sit down with a group of bloggers and they taped the conversation. The old gaffe-o-matic (or as I like to call him, the Republican Joe Biden!) answers a question from a gay person of color in this clip about the GOP's diversity outreach. Yes, that's right. To lure African-Americans into the GOP, Steele is offering fried chicken and potato salad. Since he mentions Republicans should also be reaching out to the LGBT community, I wonder what stereotype he's going to offer us? Buttplugs and Birkenstocks? See the video http://www.huffingt onpost.com/ bil-browning/ steele-gop- woos-blacks- wi_b_231534. html
[scifinoir2] Re: Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game
I think my brother still has our Zelda. Mayun I sure hope he knows where it is. LOL --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: Lavendar, that's a down payment on a house. Must be nice to be filthy rich... -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game Date : Tue, 7 Jul 2009 19:49:10 -0400 From : wlro...@... To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com No offense, I don't care how much a bargain that was. I could use that money for something else. Well--perhaps a game but not that one. --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 12:00 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game Wow, talk about a fan. How many PS3's, Wii's, XBox 360's, Sega Genesis' (I still have that console, it's great), SNES' (ditto), and 3DO's --complete with full game libraries--could he have bought with that much dough? *** http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/plugged-in/the-17-500-video-game/1332488 The $17,500 video game by Mike Smith Buzz up! July 6 1:32 P.M. Would you pay $17,500 for this? Think $60 video games are too expensive? You won't hear any argument from us, but you might from JJ Hendricks, a collector who just paid a clinically insane $17,500 for an obscure NES game from 1990. The game in question is an ultra-rare, gold-colored version of Nintendo World Championships, a cartridge specially produced for use in a Nintendo-sponsored gaming contest. According to Wikipedia only 26 were created, and Hendricks calls it the Holy Grail of video game collectors. The game itself has a time limit of just 6 minutes and 21 seconds and consists of three short segments from other NES games: Super Mario Bros., Tetris, and Rad Racer. Players are scored according to their performance in each game, and their scores are totaled once the time limit expires. Doesn't sound too riveting to us, but then somehow we doubt Hendricks is in it for the gameplay. And while $17,500 might seem a bit much for a collection of ones and zeroes, Hendricks actually got a bargain: the game was originally listed on eBay for a cool $25,000. People may lie, but the evidence rarely does. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
[scifinoir2] Re: Gov. Pal gives Alaska the finger
Looks like the GOP couldn't get enough idiots after W and they're ready for more. **shudders** The question is does she have what it takes to be the decider. I just hope she's more epiliptic than that other guy. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ravenadal ravena...@... wrote: Stunner: Governor Sarah Palin to resign! Bump public service! The disasta' from Alaska opts to get rich or die tryin'! http://twitter.com/ravenadal
[scifinoir2] Re: Court clears way for DVR service
The day they ban DVRs and DVD-RWs is the day that TV watching dramatically drops. People have more important things to do then to watch all of the crap they like to pump out. If the only way I can watch a TV show is to pay $60 for a boxset then guess what, unless it's a show I've already seen and like, it's gonna sit there. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ravenadal ravena...@... wrote: http://yumiap.notlong.com chicagotribune.com Court clears way for DVR service June 30, 2009 WASHINGTON Click here to find out more! -- The Supreme Court cleared the way for cable TV companies to offer their customers a new service that would permit subscribers to copy and store programs for later viewing. The justices on Monday turned down an appeal from TV networks and Hollywood studios that contended these unlicensed, extra viewings violate their copyrights. The court's decision to steer clear of this controversy could be an important victory for the cable TV industry and others anxious to serve the growing market for video on demand. Cablevision Systems Corp. announced in 2006 that it planned to offer its subscribers the opportunity to select programs that would be stored on its computers. Viewers could have a recording of favorite programs without having their own digital video recorder, the firm said. But broadcasters and producers mounted a legal attack against Cablevision and its remote storage digital video recorder. Their lawyers feared that cable firms and other transmitters could put themselves in position to profit from the extra viewings of their copyrighted programs. By contrast, most video-on-demand services pay a fee to the copyright owners. A federal judge briefly blocked Cablevision from moving ahead, but last year the appeals court rejected the broadcasters' copyright claims. -- David G. Savage, Tribune Newspapers
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Is Octavia Butler underrated in mainstream sci-fi press?
I have Brothers in Arms. :) I'm a little sick of the Tuskgee Airmen tho. Too many of our folk only know them. I'm surprised you forgot the 92nd infantry Division. I have their unit patch as well as the unit patch of the 555th. They were the first Smoke Jumpers. Also the 555th was folded into the Screaming Eagles during the Vietnam War. I've met several of those guys. You should see their faces light up when you ask them about being a paratrooper. I always get pissed when I see D-Day landings with all white troops. **shudder** And I know about the 9th and 10th. Especially the 10th as they fought alongside the infamous Roughriders, but pretty much had to take Roosevelt under their wing as they were the only unit in the Spanish American War that had combat experience. Sorry got a little carried away there, but when you look at the fact that blacks have been fighting for this country before it was a country (cough, cough 7 Years War cough). ok I'll try to behave now --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Reece Jennings mcjennings...@... wrote: You have hit my passion...Blacks in WWII. Since my dad was on a few ships during the War, including the USS Colorado, and the Ajax, and he was in the Philippine campaign, I developed a passion for books about how Blacks were treated. I'm sure I don't have to tell you about the 761st Tank Battalion and General Patton, or the 9th and 10th Cavalry, or the 555th (Triple Nickle) Paratrooper battalion... _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of votomguy Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 10:52 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Is Octavia Butler underrated in mainstream sci-fi press? True. I love the hard science/ military scifi books so those were always the books that I looked for. I got tired of not being able to find hard science/ military scifi books writen by blacks or that have blacks as the main character (real characters not cheeseballs). I took to studying the Black presence in WWII and I picked up a couple of books. Alot of males in general (hey let's face it white guys don't read as much as everybody thinks). I would love to see another book like Dark Matter come out. It went along way towards pointing me to Black scifi writers. I always took solace in my favorite comic writers (Dwayne McDuffie and Christopher Priest). Not only do they write comics, but they also write comics I can read. --- In scifino...@yahoogro mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com, Milton Davis mv_media_atl@ wrote: I do book signings at least once a month. The majority of the books I have sold have been to black women. I did a book club meeting last year, all women. I have a book club meeting sheduled in August, all women. I'm confident I'll find more black men willing to read my books and I am seeing more interest among the brothers, especially the young ones. I'm convinced that when made aware of what's available the brothers will come. I hope I'm right. --- On Thu, 6/25/09, votomguy votomguy@ wrote: From: votomguy votomguy@ Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Is Octavia Butler underrated in mainstream sci-fi press? To: scifino...@yahoogro mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com Date: Thursday, June 25, 2009, 9:07 PM Before the hiphop/street novel craze, my mom told me about an article (this was in the 90s) that said that Publishers refuse to publish books because black men don't read enough. To which I replied, If they never publish the books then how will we ever find anything to read. My mom simply said that maybe publishers don't want black men to read. --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Reece Jennings mcjennings124@ ... wrote: It might be a combination of all of that, Milton. Yes, Black Women will set up book clubs, and discuss books, etc. But when I mention Sci-Fi to most Black Women, and even try to get the to read some of Ms. Butler's books, they tend to pre-judge and reject without looking. So I keep it to myself...except here, of course. I think a lot of women are cutting off a vast expanse of great reading by pre-judging SF. _ From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of Milton Davis Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:38 PM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Is Octavia Butler underrated in mainstream sci-fi press? I know a lot a black male fans of Butler. I just seems in my experience most of her fans I've met were black females. But then again that might be because black females read a lot more than we brothers. --- On Thu, 6/25/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ ... wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ ... Subject: RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Is Octavia Butler underrated in mainstream
[scifinoir2] Re: My Take - Virtuality Debut on Fox-
I hope you're right, but I'm not seeing it. Hey Andromeda was pretty crappy when it started, and it stayed on for 4 seasons. Who knows it might be here to stay. Altho if it does, I might be spending my Friday nights catching up on my anime. (I still have to finish Macross: Frontier) --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: I think I give Virtuality a slight edge on Big Brother--only because at least *something* happened on the ship. But it's a close thing. You're right about this being an idea someone should have rejected as soon as it was voiced. But then, i wasn't super crazy about the BSG debut, so maybe Moore's going somewhere with this and will surprise us.. - Original Message - From: votomguy votom...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 10:50:50 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: My Take - Virtuality Debut on Fox- I watched as much of it as I could stand. I think you're Big Brother in Space take was pretty spot on, but at least you could get through an episode of Big Brother. A futuristic reality show set in space. That should be one of those things you think in your head and say OOH, that would be cool until you say it out loud. Then you should be like Maybe not. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Anyone watch the Virtuality debut on Fox? I've often given a new show negative reviews, only to love it later. At the risk of continuing that habit snip
[scifinoir2] Our own piece of the war: The black presence in American Conflicts.
I believe Alex Haley's grandfather served with them during WWI their sister division was the 93rd. What was sad was that even though the 93rd had more decorations than the 92nd because it was placed under French command during WWI in WWII it was relegated to support duties. The 92nd was the only Black DIVISION to see combat in WWII. They're my favorite division, but most of the books on them portray them as incompetent or cowards. Several members of the 92nd were awarded the Medal of Honor during the 1990s. There was a site that had a list of all of the Black Units. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Reece Jennings mcjennings...@... wrote: I LOVE your zeal, my friend, and I love that our family here has indulged my passion. I knew about the 92nd, but I left them out because I couldn't remember the exact unit, and I was trying to be a little brief. Also, the AlCan highway and the Black Engineers... _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of votomguy Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 11:39 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Is Octavia Butler underrated in mainstream sci-fi press? I have Brothers in Arms. :) I'm a little sick of the Tuskgee Airmen tho. Too many of our folk only know them. I'm surprised you forgot the 92nd infantry Division. I have their unit patch as well as the unit patch of the 555th. They were the first Smoke Jumpers. Also the 555th was folded into the Screaming Eagles during the Vietnam War. I've met several of those guys. You should see their faces light up when you ask them about being a paratrooper. I always get pissed when I see D-Day landings with all white troops. **shudder** And I know about the 9th and 10th. Especially the 10th as they fought alongside the infamous Roughriders, but pretty much had to take Roosevelt under their wing as they were the only unit in the Spanish American War that had combat experience. Sorry got a little carried away there, but when you look at the fact that blacks have been fighting for this country before it was a country (cough, cough 7 Years War cough). ok I'll try to behave now --- In scifino...@yahoogro mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com, Reece Jennings mcjennings124@ wrote: You have hit my passion...Blacks in WWII. Since my dad was on a few ships during the War, including the USS Colorado, and the Ajax, and he was in the Philippine campaign, I developed a passion for books about how Blacks were treated. I'm sure I don't have to tell you about the 761st Tank Battalion and General Patton, or the 9th and 10th Cavalry, or the 555th (Triple Nickle) Paratrooper battalion... _ From: scifino...@yahoogro mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogro mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com] On Behalf Of votomguy Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 10:52 AM To: scifino...@yahoogro mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Is Octavia Butler underrated in mainstream sci-fi press? True. I love the hard science/ military scifi books so those were always the books that I looked for. I got tired of not being able to find hard science/ military scifi books writen by blacks or that have blacks as the main character (real characters not cheeseballs). I took to studying the Black presence in WWII and I picked up a couple of books. Alot of males in general (hey let's face it white guys don't read as much as everybody thinks). I would love to see another book like Dark Matter come out. It went along way towards pointing me to Black scifi writers. I always took solace in my favorite comic writers (Dwayne McDuffie and Christopher Priest). Not only do they write comics, but they also write comics I can read. --- In scifino...@yahoogro mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com, Milton Davis mv_media_atl@ wrote: I do book signings at least once a month. The majority of the books I have sold have been to black women. I did a book club meeting last year, all women. I have a book club meeting sheduled in August, all women. I'm confident I'll find more black men willing to read my books and I am seeing more interest among the brothers, especially the young ones. I'm convinced that when made aware of what's available the brothers will come. I hope I'm right. --- On Thu, 6/25/09, votomguy votomguy@ wrote: From: votomguy votomguy@ Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Is Octavia Butler underrated in mainstream sci-fi press? To: scifino...@yahoogro mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com Date: Thursday, June 25, 2009, 9:07 PM Before the hiphop/street novel craze, my mom told me about an article (this was in the 90s) that said that Publishers refuse to publish books because black men don't read enough. To which
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Is Octavia Butler underrated in mainstream sci-fi press?
True. I love the hard science/ military scifi books so those were always the books that I looked for. I got tired of not being able to find hard science/ military scifi books writen by blacks or that have blacks as the main character (real characters not cheeseballs). I took to studying the Black presence in WWII and I picked up a couple of books. Alot of males in general (hey let's face it white guys don't read as much as everybody thinks). I would love to see another book like Dark Matter come out. It went along way towards pointing me to Black scifi writers. I always took solace in my favorite comic writers (Dwayne McDuffie and Christopher Priest). Not only do they write comics, but they also write comics I can read. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Milton Davis mv_media_...@... wrote: I do book signings at least once a month. The majority of the books I have sold have been to black women. I did a book club meeting last year, all women. I have a book club meeting sheduled in August, all women. I'm confident I'll find more black men willing to read my books and I am seeing more interest among the brothers, especially the young ones. I'm convinced that when made aware of what's available the brothers will come. I hope I'm right. --- On Thu, 6/25/09, votomguy votom...@... wrote: From: votomguy votom...@... Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Is Octavia Butler underrated in mainstream sci-fi press? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 25, 2009, 9:07 PM Before the hiphop/street novel craze, my mom told me about an article (this was in the 90s) that said that Publishers refuse to publish books because black men don't read enough. To which I replied, If they never publish the books then how will we ever find anything to read. My mom simply said that maybe publishers don't want black men to read. --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Reece Jennings mcjennings124@ ... wrote: It might be a combination of all of that, Milton. Yes, Black Women will set up book clubs, and discuss books, etc. But when I mention Sci-Fi to most Black Women, and even try to get the to read some of Ms. Butler's books, they tend to pre-judge and reject without looking. So I keep it to myself...except here, of course. I think a lot of women are cutting off a vast expanse of great reading by pre-judging SF. _ From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of Milton Davis Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:38 PM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Is Octavia Butler underrated in mainstream sci-fi press? I know a lot a black male fans of Butler. I just seems in my experience most of her fans I've met were black females. But then again that might be because black females read a lot more than we brothers. --- On Thu, 6/25/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ ... wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ ... Subject: RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Is Octavia Butler underrated in mainstream sci-fi press? To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Thursday, June 25, 2009, 4:37 PM That comprises a graduating class of considerable note. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Is Octavia Butler underrated in mainstream sci-fi press? Date : Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:22:52 -0400 From : Reece Jennings mcjennings124@ yahoo.com To : scifinoir2@ yahoogro ups.com I love her. She's my favorite because of the social aspect of her writing.. I've been a Black Male all say (peeking to make sure!) Of course, we are both 1947 Cancerians, so that might have something to do with it! :o) _ From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Milton Davis Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 7:32 AM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Is Octavia Butler underrated in mainstream sci-fi press? I know plenty young black science fiction fans that credit Octavia Butler as the beacon that led them to science fiction. I'm an old school science fiction fan, raised on Assimov, Delany, Herbert and Ellision. I like Butler's work, but I consider it more social science fiction. She deals more with relationships and issues rather than the technical aspect of science fiction, which we all know gets more attention. I think that's the reason her prose seems to have special appeal to black female science fiction fans. I enjoyed everything I've read by her but I can't say I'm a fan. She was a greater writer than I'll probably ever be and got her respect among the sci/fi elite if not the mainstream. --- On Wed, 6/24/09, B. Smith wrote: From: B. Smith Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Is Octavia Butler underrated in mainstream
[scifinoir2] Re: My Take - Virtuality Debut on Fox-
I watched as much of it as I could stand. I think you're Big Brother in Space take was pretty spot on, but at least you could get through an episode of Big Brother. A futuristic reality show set in space. That should be one of those things you think in your head and say OOH, that would be cool until you say it out loud. Then you should be like Maybe not. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Anyone watch the Virtuality debut on Fox? I've often given a new show negative reviews, only to love it later. At the risk of continuing that habit snip
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Is Octavia Butler underrated in mainstream sci-fi press?
Thanks. The story certainly looks interesting. It's just made my wishlist. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Milton Davis mv_media_...@... wrote: There's a brother at blacksciencefictionsociety.com named Ronald T. Jones that writes excellent military sci/fi. I have his book Chronicle Of The Vindicator. He's currently submitting manuscripts to publishers. You should Chronicles if you get a chance. --- On Fri, 6/26/09, votomguy votom...@... wrote: From: votomguy votom...@... Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Is Octavia Butler underrated in mainstream sci-fi press? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, June 26, 2009, 2:52 PM True. I love the hard science/ military scifi books so those were always the books that I looked for. I got tired of not being able to find hard science/ military scifi books writen by blacks or that have blacks as the main character (real characters not cheeseballs) . I took to studying the Black presence in WWII and I picked up a couple of books. Alot of males in general (hey let's face it white guys don't read as much as everybody thinks). I would love to see another book like Dark Matter come out. It went along way towards pointing me to Black scifi writers. I always took solace in my favorite comic writers (Dwayne McDuffie and Christopher Priest). Not only do they write comics, but they also write comics I can read. --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Milton Davis mv_media_atl@ ... wrote: I do book signings at least once a month. The majority of the books I have sold have been to black women. I did a book club meeting last year, all women. I have a book club meeting sheduled in August, all women. I'm confident I'll find more black men willing to read my books and I am seeing more interest among the brothers, especially the young ones. I'm convinced that when made aware of what's available the brothers will come. I hope I'm right. --- On Thu, 6/25/09, votomguy votomguy@ . wrote: From: votomguy votomguy@ . Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Is Octavia Butler underrated in mainstream sci-fi press? To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Thursday, June 25, 2009, 9:07 PM Before the hiphop/street novel craze, my mom told me about an article (this was in the 90s) that said that Publishers refuse to publish books because black men don't read enough. To which I replied, If they never publish the books then how will we ever find anything to read. My mom simply said that maybe publishers don't want black men to read. --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Reece Jennings mcjennings124@ ... wrote: It might be a combination of all of that, Milton. Yes, Black Women will set up book clubs, and discuss books, etc. But when I mention Sci-Fi to most Black Women, and even try to get the to read some of Ms. Butler's books, they tend to pre-judge and reject without looking. So I keep it to myself...except here, of course. I think a lot of women are cutting off a vast expanse of great reading by pre-judging SF. _ From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of Milton Davis Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:38 PM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Is Octavia Butler underrated in mainstream sci-fi press? I know a lot a black male fans of Butler. I just seems in my experience most of her fans I've met were black females. But then again that might be because black females read a lot more than we brothers. --- On Thu, 6/25/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ ... wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ ... Subject: RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Is Octavia Butler underrated in mainstream sci-fi press? To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Thursday, June 25, 2009, 4:37 PM That comprises a graduating class of considerable note. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Is Octavia Butler underrated in mainstream sci-fi press? Date : Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:22:52 -0400 From : Reece Jennings mcjennings124@ yahoo.com To : scifinoir2@ yahoogro ups.com I love her. She's my favorite because of the social aspect of her writing.. I've been a Black Male all say (peeking to make sure!) Of course, we are both 1947 Cancerians, so that might have something to do with it! :o) _ From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Milton Davis Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 7:32 AM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Is Octavia Butler underrated in mainstream sci-fi press? I know plenty young black science fiction fans that credit Octavia
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Is Octavia Butler underrated in mainstream sci-fi press?
She wasn't what got me into scifi, but she did inspire me to start writing scifi. I remember my mom bringing home Adulthood Rites for me and being so excited that there were actually black people that wrote scifi. Adulthood Rites was the only book that she wrote. (what can I say I cut my scifi teeth on Battletech Novels) She did inspire me to believe that black people could not only write scifi, but get it published as well. While her style of scifi may not be my cup of tea, that doesn't stop me from including her in the greats. I can't stand Assimov (I think he's a little overrated) but he's up there. At least, Octavia Butler never got too full of herself. (cough cough Heinlein cough) --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Milton Davis mv_media_...@... wrote: I know plenty young black science fiction fans that credit Octavia Butler as the beacon that led them to science fiction. I'm an old school science fiction fan, raised on Assimov, Delany, Herbert and Ellision. I like Butler's work, but I consider it more social science fiction. She deals more with relationships and issues rather than the technical aspect of science fiction, which we all know gets more attention. I think that's the reason her prose seems to have special appeal to black female science fiction fans. I enjoyed everything I've read by her but I can't say I'm a fan. She was a greater writer than I'll probably ever be and got her respect among the sci/fi elite if not the mainstream. --- On Wed, 6/24/09, B. Smith daikaij...@... wrote: From: B. Smith daikaij...@... Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Is Octavia Butler underrated in mainstream sci-fi press? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 1:19 AM She's highly regarded but not given the same respect as the legendary hard sci-fi types. Her work falls into the more literary side of the genre and in some ways she was more highly regarded outside the genre. --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ ... wrote: George, it's possible, but I see her lack of props as being more a matter of the mainstream SF press not knowing what the frell it's doing. IMO, they've become like the music industry, more interested in the flavor of the week than actual decent work. When I go to the bookstore and browse the SF/fantasy shelves, the stuff I see is so derivative as to be embarrassing. Nine times out of ten, I can figure out what the story inside the covers is solely by what pose the characters on the cover are striking. Shouldn't be that easy, even for a guy with my brain. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Is Octavia Butler underrated in mainstream sci-fi press? Date : Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:10:06 -0700 (PDT) From : George Arterberry brotherfromhoward@ ... To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com I've rarely seen her represented in so-called mainstream press. http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Is Octavia Butler underrated in mainstream sci-fi press?
Before the hiphop/street novel craze, my mom told me about an article (this was in the 90s) that said that Publishers refuse to publish books because black men don't read enough. To which I replied, If they never publish the books then how will we ever find anything to read. My mom simply said that maybe publishers don't want black men to read. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Reece Jennings mcjennings...@... wrote: It might be a combination of all of that, Milton. Yes, Black Women will set up book clubs, and discuss books, etc. But when I mention Sci-Fi to most Black Women, and even try to get the to read some of Ms. Butler's books, they tend to pre-judge and reject without looking. So I keep it to myself...except here, of course. I think a lot of women are cutting off a vast expanse of great reading by pre-judging SF. _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Milton Davis Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:38 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Is Octavia Butler underrated in mainstream sci-fi press? I know a lot a black male fans of Butler. I just seems in my experience most of her fans I've met were black females. But then again that might be because black females read a lot more than we brothers. --- On Thu, 6/25/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... Subject: RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Is Octavia Butler underrated in mainstream sci-fi press? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 25, 2009, 4:37 PM That comprises a graduating class of considerable note. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Is Octavia Butler underrated in mainstream sci-fi press? Date : Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:22:52 -0400 From : Reece Jennings mcjennings124@ yahoo.com To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com I love her. She's my favorite because of the social aspect of her writing. I've been a Black Male all say (peeking to make sure!) Of course, we are both 1947 Cancerians, so that might have something to do with it! :o) _ From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Milton Davis Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 7:32 AM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Is Octavia Butler underrated in mainstream sci-fi press? I know plenty young black science fiction fans that credit Octavia Butler as the beacon that led them to science fiction. I'm an old school science fiction fan, raised on Assimov, Delany, Herbert and Ellision. I like Butler's work, but I consider it more social science fiction. She deals more with relationships and issues rather than the technical aspect of science fiction, which we all know gets more attention. I think that's the reason her prose seems to have special appeal to black female science fiction fans. I enjoyed everything I've read by her but I can't say I'm a fan. She was a greater writer than I'll probably ever be and got her respect among the sci/fi elite if not the mainstream. --- On Wed, 6/24/09, B. Smith wrote: From: B. Smith Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Is Octavia Butler underrated in mainstream sci-fi press? To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 1:19 AM She's highly regarded but not given the same respect as the legendary hard sci-fi types. Her work falls into the more literary side of the genre and in some ways she was more highly regarded outside the genre. --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter wrote: George, it's possible, but I see her lack of props as being more a matter of the mainstream SF press not knowing what the frell it's doing. IMO, they've become like the music industry, more interested in the flavor of the week than actual decent work. When I go to the bookstore and browse the SF/fantasy shelves, the stuff I see is so derivative as to be embarrassing. Nine times out of ten, I can figure out what the story inside the covers is solely by what pose the characters on the cover are striking. Shouldn't be that easy, even for a guy with my brain. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Is Octavia Butler underrated in mainstream sci-fi press? Date : Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:10:06 -0700 (PDT) From : George Arterberry To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com I've rarely seen her represented in so-called mainstream press. http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds
[scifinoir2] Re: Jive-talking twin Transformers raise race issues
As a gamer and an anime fan, I often find myself in forums or chat groups where I'm the only black guy in the group. I often keep quiet about being black at first (so they can see that all black people aren't the way that they think). They are often surprised that I'm not what they expected. Of course, I'm not sure that this is because I'm a Yank or because I'm black or both. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mike Street streetfor...@... wrote: I don't think its hate at all. It is the systematic characterization of African-American culture in mainstream media. If it was a Jewish reference that their community found derogatory no one would question their rights to protest. And also the reason that if you go over seas most people think we are all rappers, hoes, and sell drugs. On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Augustus Augustusjazzynupe_...@... wrote: Martin, before u dismiss this one too, u need 2 see it. i have been reading all over the net about this and i honestly did not notice it during the movie. sure, i saw the 2 bots, but it never cease 2 amaze me how people will always revert 2 anthropomorphism. the movie was fun. one of those nice summer escapes that i was able 2 sit and enjoy for 2 1/2 hours with nothing but explosions, robots, cars (and some nice concept one's too), plans and humans. throw in some humor from both robots and humans and it was fun. so i really wish people would stop all the hate. i just wanted 2 see what people were saying and i went 2 a couple of websites just 2 see and got into a couple (o.k. 5) typo's with some really simple minded people. i always find it funny how racist people can be on the net when they are hiding in obscurity. s i told them, it's one thing 2 call me out my name when u are wherever, but forget me being a Marine. i gave them my name and location and told them, whenever they are ready, let's get it on. sad 2 say, no takers. Fate. --- On Thu, 6/25/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Jive-talking twin Transformers raise race issues To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 25, 2009, 8:46 AM That's another one on the banned-for-life list. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Jive-talking twin Transformers raise race issues Date : Thu, 25 Jun 2009 00:04:50 -0400 From : Mike Street streetforce1@ gmail.com To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com I wasn't that jazzed up to see this cause I hated the first film. This makes me never want to see it cause when I saw Star Wars/Jar Jar Banks I was totally outraged. Until we control our own images these type of things will continue to happen. On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:36 PM, sincere1906 wrote: Jive-talking twin Transformers raise race issues Jive-talking twin Transformers raise race issues By SANDY COHEN LOS ANGELES Harmless comic characters or racist robots? The buzz over the summer blockbuster Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen only grew Wednesday as some said two jive-talking Chevy characters were racial caricatures. Skids and Mudflap, twin robots disguised as compact hatchbacks, constantly brawl and bicker in rap-inspired street slang. They're forced to acknowledge that they can't read. One has a gold tooth. As good guys, they fight alongside the Autobots and are intended to provide comic relief. But their traits raise the specter of stereotypes most notably seen when Jar Jar Binks, the clumsy, broken-English speaking alien from Star Wars: Episode I The Phantom Menace, was criticized as a caricature. One fan called the Transformers twins Jar Jar Bots in a blog post online. Todd Herrold, who watched the movie in New York City, called the characters outrageous. It's one thing when robot cars are racial stereotypes, he said, but the movie also had a bucktoothed black guy who is briefly in one scene who's also a stereotype. They're like the fools, said 18-year-old Nicholas Govede, also of New York City. The comic relief in a degrading way. Not all fans were offended. Twin brothers Jason and William Garcia, 18, who saw the movie in Miami, said they related to the characters not their illiteracy, but their bickering. They were hilarious, Jason said. Every movie has their standout character, and I think they were the ones for this movie. In Atlanta, Rico Lawson said people were reading too much into the characters. It was actually funny, said Lawson, 25, who saw the movie with his girlfriend in Atlanta. That was the aim, director Michael Bay said in an interview. It's done in fun, he said. I don't know if it's stereotypes they are robots, by the way. These are the voice actors. This is kind of the direction they were taking the characters and we went with it. Bay
[scifinoir2] Re: Jive-talking twin Transformers raise race issues
G.I. Joe: Rise of Cobra is going to be horrible. Thankfully G.I. Joe: Resolute was pretty awesome. That's the real G.I. Joe movie in my mind. I still have the issure where Larry Hama addressed the whole issue of a Live action G.I. Joe movie. He said that it would probably never be done. After seeing those crappy promos, I just wish that they'd listened. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mike Street streetfor...@... wrote: I'll see Harry Potter cause I'm a big fan and have never been disappointed by any of the movies. I'm not sure about GI. Joe. The Barroness has no accent so I'm not sure about that movie as a whole. On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Augustus Augustusjazzynupe_...@... wrote: well, i am still waiting on Harry Potter (go ahead and laughbut i do have an 8 year old and we (both her and i and my wife) have all read the books. even caught my 17 year son reading them too. so i am waiting on that one. also 2012...the preview before transformers looked great! g. i. joe and the new ice age. so there is still hope my friend! Fate. --- On Thu, 6/25/09, Mike Street streetfor...@... wrote: From: Mike Street streetfor...@... Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Jive-talking twin Transformers raise race issues To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 25, 2009, 1:57 PM True but those images are all controlled by white men who are making fun at themselves from all the movies that you named. Our community continues to allow others to control our images, language, and to profit from that with out question. From Bob Johnson to Michael Bay. If we find it unacceptable and we should not support them financially they will get the message. So again all an opinion and I haven't seen the movie. But I didn't enjoy the first one at all so I will pass on this one. To me this has been a horrible summer movie season. On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Augustus Augustusjazzynupe_...@... wrote: Mike, to go further with what Sin just wrote, like i said, i watched the movie and totally enjoyed it. it was a good 2 1/2 hours of pure escapism. the anthropomorphism that i talked about earlier never crossed into my mind. i have seen movies that poked fun at white people too. 'Delta Farce' was hilarious to me. making fun of 'rednecks'. 'Superbad' making fun of white geeks. stoner movie 'Pineapple Express (which i thought sucked, but a few funny lines)' poked fun at stoner white guys. 'step brothers' poking fun at white people. remember how we all laughed at Ricky Bobby? we see all types picked at, so yes, sometimes you have to look pass the obvious. now, before Sin jumps on me, i am not making an apology 4 the characters, but i do believe the people are looking too hard at something. john turturo (who is in the movie) even makes fun of his self when she pulls off his pants and have on a S7 jock strap. we (the people in the theater) howled at that scene! but again, just my opinion. Fate. --- On Thu, 6/25/09, sincere1906 sincere1...@... wrote: From: sincere1906 sincere1...@... Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Jive-talking twin Transformers raise race issues To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 25, 2009, 11:44 AM Mike, And as you can guess, there is already uproar over the mere mention of racism or at the least racial insensitivity and stereotyping. The game usually works like this: black people (or other people who have faced oppression) point out they find something degrading in a film, tv show, etc. The maker of the film balks, asserting with righteous indignation that it's absolutely nonsense. With an air of white privilege he/she will assert they have no bias, and then turn the tables on those who are pointing out the perceived racial slight. Most of America, ever eager to dismiss black or other grievances, will usually chime in. Those complaining about racial insensitivity will be told to get over it. They'll be told it's all in their heads and that *they* are the racist ones being preoccupied with race. A few famous black apologists will be rolled out to say the black community should be worried about kids with low hanging pants (the scourge of the afrotocracy! ) or the like instead of a mere movie. Some will even come forth and say, sure it's a stereotype-- but it's also true, so that makes it alright! Oh and the Bill Cosby acolytes will naturally blame the rappers--who it seems invented a time machine, went back two centuries, and created all known black stereotypes- -forcing unwilling white masses to adopt them. So the powerful media mogul/company will be cast as the victim, and the usually oppressed grouping and the few vocal advocates will then be cast as the villains--trying to ruin everyone's fun. It's the old switcheroo --and its quite old. In
[RE][scifinoir2] Re: Jive-talking twin Transformers raise race issues
Funny I had a similar experience. They were putting together a forum website and requested pics from the members. There was quite a stir when they found out I was black, but they were mostly European and Asian so I don't think they had too much experience with blacks or yanks for that matter. I was not only the only black, but I was also the only Yank until a latina joined some time later. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: Everywhere I've ever posted, I'm presumed to be White until I announce that I'm of color. One group even demanded that I post an image of myself, along with objects chosen at random, as proof. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: Jive-talking twin Transformers raise race issues Date : Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:11:24 - From : votomguy votom...@... To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com As a gamer and an anime fan, I often find myself in forums or chat groups where I'm the only black guy in the group. I often keep quiet about being black at first (so they can see that all black people aren't the way that they think). They are often surprised that I'm not what they expected. Of course, I'm not sure that this is because I'm a Yank or because I'm black or both. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mike Street wrote: I don't think its hate at all. It is the systematic characterization of African-American culture in mainstream media. If it was a Jewish reference that their community found derogatory no one would question their rights to protest. And also the reason that if you go over seas most people think we are all rappers, hoes, and sell drugs. On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Augustus Augustus wrote: Martin, before u dismiss this one too, u need 2 see it. i have been reading all over the net about this and i honestly did not notice it during the movie. sure, i saw the 2 bots, but it never cease 2 amaze me how people will always revert 2 anthropomorphism. the movie was fun. one of those nice summer escapes that i was able 2 sit and enjoy for 2 1/2 hours with nothing but explosions, robots, cars (and some nice concept one's too), plans and humans. throw in some humor from both robots and humans and it was fun. so i really wish people would stop all the hate. i just wanted 2 see what people were saying and i went 2 a couple of websites just 2 see and got into a couple (o.k. 5) typo's with some really simple minded people. i always find it funny how racist people can be on the net when they are hiding in obscurity. s i told them, it's one thing 2 call me out my name when u are wherever, but forget me being a Marine. i gave them my name and location and told them, whenever they are ready, let's get it on. sad 2 say, no takers. Fate. --- On Thu, 6/25/09, Martin Baxter wrote: From: Martin Baxter Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Jive-talking twin Transformers raise race issues To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 25, 2009, 8:46 AM That's another one on the banned-for-life list. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Jive-talking twin Transformers raise race issues Date : Thu, 25 Jun 2009 00:04:50 -0400 From : Mike Street To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com I wasn't that jazzed up to see this cause I hated the first film. This makes me never want to see it cause when I saw Star Wars/Jar Jar Banks I was totally outraged. Until we control our own images these type of things will continue to happen. On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:36 PM, sincere1906 wrote: Jive-talking twin Transformers raise race issues Jive-talking twin Transformers raise race issues By SANDY COHEN LOS ANGELES Â Harmless comic characters or racist robots? The buzz over the summer blockbuster Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen only grew Wednesday as some said two jive-talking Chevy characters were racial caricatures. Skids and Mudflap, twin robots disguised as compact hatchbacks, constantly brawl and bicker in rap-inspired street slang. They're forced to acknowledge that they can't read. One has a gold tooth. As good guys, they fight alongside the Autobots and are intended to provide comic relief. But their traits raise the specter of stereotypes most notably seen when Jar Jar Binks, the clumsy, broken-English speaking alien from Star Wars: Episode I Â The Phantom Menace, was criticized as a caricature. One fan called the Transformers twins Jar Jar Bots in a blog post online. Todd Herrold, who watched the movie in New York City, called the characters outrageous. It's one thing when robot cars are racial stereotypes, he said, but the movie also had a bucktoothed black guy who is briefly in one
[scifinoir2] Re: Roll Call: Name Your Favorite Games
Don't tell me Abrigon World got you too. :) Adrian has some really good ideas. :) --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, moondancerdrake moondancerdr...@... wrote: Beside the weekly or bimonthly tabletop games we run out our house (currently d d, exhaulted, and some odd scifi thing Adrian made up) my game of choice when I am taking a break from writing is World of Warcraft. Moondancer --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, tdemorsella tdlists@ wrote: Aubrey and Adrianne's post reminded me that hamers tend to stay hidden on this list. Let's change that Why don't you guys come out of hiding. Please declare your favorites, the ones you would like to see be made into movies and those you hate. Also, tell us why. Thanks Tracey From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Adrianne Brennan Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 4:15 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Happy Place *raises hand* World of Warcraft here. :D :D Oh yeah, and now that I have a new, sweet machine, gotta reinstall Second Life. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Aubrey Leatherwood aubrey.leatherwood@ wrote: I don't know if there are gamers on this loop... But it's Friday night, I just had a fine dinner, I've got a nice drink, a fire, and the doors open to a nice windy night. The lights are off in the living room, the TV's on, and I have scooted my recliner and ottoman right up to it, and despite the fact that I'm supposed to wait, I am about to crack the seal on the new Prince of Persia while I'm alone. This is a happy moment. Aubrey Leatherwood www.aubreyleatherwood.com FaceBook * MySpace The People You Know, The Sex They Have ISBN: 978-0-9818905-0-0 Lyrical Press. Inc
[scifinoir2] Re: for the Gamers (Roll Call: Name Your Favorite Games) Pt 2
Yeap I even have a Jinx tshirt that says NPC just so that all of my RPG buddies know that while i'll come to a session. I just don't have the emotional capital to invest into an rpg. That said there is a RPG for Battletech called Mechwarrior and the 4th Ed RPG for Heavy Gear is currently under production and is being done by Steve Jackson games, but yes I love my minis. Altho I'm working on incorporating more of an RPG into minis games. Things Radio chatter before games, handouts with responses for support, Intel reports given after the game, even Operation Reports to be filled out after games go a long way to make you feel like a commander. I equate it to being Captain Gotto and you're sending out Second Section to do all they dirty work. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Justin Mohareb justinmoha...@... wrote: See, you're totally a minis dude. I'm more an RPG kind of guy. I just finished a year long 4E game, which was ooldes of fun, and now we're playing something similar to Dying Earth. Very enjoyable, as well. I'm finding board games awesome these days. Pandemic is a cooperative game where everyone is working to fight world spanning diseases. Race for the Galaxy is a card game where everyone tries to build a space empire before the game ends. Justin On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 5:57 PM, votomguy votom...@... wrote: As a gamer, I hate to say that I don't visit this site as often as I would like. (I often get sucked into gaming forums) Anywho I thought I'd try to revive this thread and see what happens. My favorite Games are Heavy Gear, Battletech, Vor: the Maelstrom, Void, CAV. I'm currently playing Heavy Gear, Necromunda and I have a Primal Horizon demo on Friday. I have pics of some games that I've played that I wouldn't mind posting. (if it's ok with the admins) Like most gamers, I don't think any of the games I like would translate into movies, but there are Battletech, Vor, and Necromunda novels. I wouldn't mind seeing some Heavy Gear novels. Anywho, what are YOU playing? --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com, tdemorsella tdlists@ wrote: Aubrey and Adrianne's post reminded me that hamers tend to stay hidden on this list. Let's change that Why don't you guys come out of hiding. Please declare your favorites, the ones you would like to see be made into movies and those you hate. Also, tell us why. Thanks Tracey -- Read the Bitter Guide to the Bitter Guy. http://thebitterguy.livejournal.com
[scifinoir2] Re: for the Gamers (Roll Call: Name Your Favorite Games) Pt 2
World Ebon certainly sounds interesting. A friend and I started working on a Stargate themed game called Plague World. Two Afrocentric Worlds the Jameriqai his society escapes me at the moment (I have it written down but don't have it in front of me at the moment, but they're something like a hybrid the Zulus and Samurai) gate to a world that's been quarrantined and there teams can't get out. Of course there are zombies on the Plague World. (hence the quarrantine) While I haven't stopped playing video games all together, I have almost exclusively converted to mini games and boardgames. I still love my old school xbox (won't get 360 until it drops to 150) and Dreamcast. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ravenadal ravena...@... wrote: Whenever I lament (almost never) the insane amount of hours I spend on my ever expanding World Ebon narrative - perpetual calendar, sports leagues, newspapers, biographies, stories and history - I take solace that, at least, I am not wasting that time playing video games. ~rave! http://theworldebon.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/ravenadal
[scifinoir2] Re: for the Gamers (Roll Call: Name Your Favorite Games) Pt 2
At least you get to enjoy spending time with your little girl. Kids tend to have the most peculiar tastes. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_...@... wrote: Soul Calibur Legends on my Wii, and Halo 3 on my XBOX. my daughter has me playing 'Rayman Raving Rabbids 2' on the Wii (it's funny as all out side!), and Ultimate Board Game Collection for the Wii. honorable mention on the Wii is Call to Duty 3. Fate. --- On Tue, 6/23/09, wlro...@... wlro...@... wrote: From: wlro...@... wlro...@... Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] for the Gamers (Roll Call: Name Your Favorite Games) Pt 2 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 11:50 PM Hi Mr. Votomguy. I have not played any of those games. But the games that I am playing is/are Star Trek Legacy and just recently got Ghostbusters. --Lavender - - - - -- From: votomguy votom...@yahoo. com Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 5:57 PM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] for the Gamers (Roll Call: Name Your Favorite Games) Pt 2 As a gamer, I hate to say that I don't visit this site as often as I would like. (I often get sucked into gaming forums) Anywho I thought I'd try to revive this thread and see what happens. My favorite Games are Heavy Gear, Battletech, Vor: the Maelstrom, Void, CAV. I'm currently playing Heavy Gear, Necromunda and I have a Primal Horizon demo on Friday. I have pics of some games that I've played that I wouldn't mind posting. (if it's ok with the admins) Like most gamers, I don't think any of the games I like would translate into movies, but there are Battletech, Vor, and Necromunda novels. I wouldn't mind seeing some Heavy Gear novels. Anywho, what are YOU playing? --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, tdemorsella tdlists@ wrote: Aubrey and Adrianne's post reminded me that hamers tend to stay hidden on this list. Let's change that Why don't you guys come out of hiding. Please declare your favorites, the ones you would like to see be made into movies and those you hate. Also, tell us why. Thanks Tracey - - -- Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/add? fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links People may lie, but the evidence rarely does.
[scifinoir2] Re: for the Gamers (Roll Call: Name Your Favorite Games) Pt 2
My social network guilty pleasure has been YoVille on myspace. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: I have been playing mafia wars on facebook, Sins of a solar empire, Stronghold 2, and Starcraft. I may also start playing Sims 3. (I have been hearing that people have been having problems with getting it to run.) I also still play GTA San Andreas and GTA 3. Haven't tried GTA 4 yet. On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 6:17 AM, B. Smith daikaij...@... wrote: I finished Mercenaries 2: World in Flames and now I'm playing GTA IV. Being an amoral criminal can be a good stress reliever. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Aubrey Leatherwood aubrey.leatherwood@ wrote: B! :) I don't sleep so it's only time I would have used to do that! Aubrey Leatherwood www.aubreyleatherwood.com FaceBook * MySpace Imperfection A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex. The People You Know, The Sex They Have ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008 ISBN: 978-0-9818905-0-0 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ravenadal@ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:36:34 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: for the Gamers (Roll Call: Name Your Favorite Games) Pt 2 Whenever I lament (almost never) the insane amount of hours I spend on my ever expanding World Ebon narrative - perpetual calendar, sports leagues, newspapers, biographies, stories and history - I take solace that, at least, I am not wasting that time playing video games. ~rave! http://theworldebon.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/ravenadal _ Hotmail® has ever-growing storage! Don't worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage_062009 Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
[scifinoir2] Re: for the Gamers (Roll Call: Name Your Favorite Games) Pt 2
Sometimes realism can be fun. I never had so much fun in a flight sim as I did in Aerowings 2: Airstrike, but talk about overkill. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: Some games kind of blur the line between a game and too realistic. I remember buying a WW2 pilot game (Ace of air or something like that) and it had a 250 page manual with different sections on flying and air to air combat plus interactive training sessions. Also, a history on all of the airplanes used in the war, and the squadrons on both sides. (I got to fly as a Tuskegee airman!)This would be totally unheard of nowadays. The closest thing to this is that $200 controller system that only works with that particular elaborate giant robot game. (Can't think of the name of the game.It came out about 5 years ago.) On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 2:18 PM, B. Smith daikaij...@... wrote: Flight school killed it for me. It was way too involved for the amount of missions in the game where you need to fly. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ wrote: The DDR parts of the game are the only reason why I am still playing it. I haven't gotten passed that first one, but I have been doing everything else that I can in the game. :( On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:06 AM, B. Smith daikaiju66@ wrote: My wife loves Mafia Wars. I think San Andreas was the best game overall (Vice City was the most fun) but some elements like the DDR inspired minigames and mission and all the schools stopped too many people's progress in the game. GTA IV scraps those but keeps some other elements like girlfriends and need to eat. It's a huge game and a lot of fun. One of my favorite things is the vigilante missions. They've also added some cool stuff like the ability to see shows within the game and watch tv. There are tons of content made just for those activities. The in game commercials are insane. I really do miss the rampages and the ability to fully customize the character. Oh well. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ wrote: I have been playing mafia wars on facebook, Sins of a solar empire, Stronghold 2, and Starcraft. I may also start playing Sims 3. (I have been hearing that people have been having problems with getting it to run.) I also still play GTA San Andreas and GTA 3. Haven't tried GTA 4 yet. On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 6:17 AM, B. Smith daikaiju66@ wrote: I finished Mercenaries 2: World in Flames and now I'm playing GTA IV. Being an amoral criminal can be a good stress reliever. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Aubrey Leatherwood aubrey.leatherwood@ wrote: B! :) I don't sleep so it's only time I would have used to do that! Aubrey Leatherwood www.aubreyleatherwood.com FaceBook * MySpace Imperfection A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex. The People You Know, The Sex They Have ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008 ISBN: 978-0-9818905-0-0 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ravenadal@ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:36:34 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: for the Gamers (Roll Call: Name Your Favorite Games) Pt 2 Whenever I lament (almost never) the insane amount of hours I spend on my ever expanding World Ebon narrative - perpetual calendar, sports leagues, newspapers, biographies, stories and history - I take solace that, at least, I am not wasting that time playing video games. ~rave! http://theworldebon.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/ravenadal _ Hotmail̨̉ has ever-growing storage! Don't worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage_062009 Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo ! Groups Links -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo ! Groups Links -- Bringing diversity to
[scifinoir2] for the Gamers (Roll Call: Name Your Favorite Games) Pt 2
As a gamer, I hate to say that I don't visit this site as often as I would like. (I often get sucked into gaming forums) Anywho I thought I'd try to revive this thread and see what happens. My favorite Games are Heavy Gear, Battletech, Vor: the Maelstrom, Void, CAV. I'm currently playing Heavy Gear, Necromunda and I have a Primal Horizon demo on Friday. I have pics of some games that I've played that I wouldn't mind posting. (if it's ok with the admins) Like most gamers, I don't think any of the games I like would translate into movies, but there are Battletech, Vor, and Necromunda novels. I wouldn't mind seeing some Heavy Gear novels. Anywho, what are YOU playing? --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, tdemorsella tdli...@... wrote: Aubrey and Adrianne's post reminded me that hamers tend to stay hidden on this list. Let's change that Why don't you guys come out of hiding. Please declare your favorites, the ones you would like to see be made into movies and those you hate. Also, tell us why. Thanks Tracey
[scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired
While I don't question Cheadle's talent to pull it off, the simple fact is that Howard LOOKED like Rhodes. I'm a longtime Iron Man fan and an even bigger fan of War Machine (I'm probably one of the few who liked the alien armor). Howard is a solid actor. He's definitely light years above Ioan Gruffudd. If anyone needed to be replaced over talent issues, it's him. I have a sinking feeling Howards head got too big which is what brought all this on. Howard even acts like Rhodes. That said. Cheadle definitely has the stuff to pull of the mannerisms of Rhodes, but the real question is can he pull of the look. For me, Terrence Howard nailed it. Cheadle is a little dark to be Rhodey. Like I said. I'm a LONG time fan of Rhodes and I've yet to see a dark skinned Rhodey. He's always been medium to light skinned. Of course, Marvel did make Fury black so who knows it just might work. As long as the actual War Machine armor makes an appearance I think I can get over it. (Hell even if it doesn't I'll probably be able to get over it) --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sadly, the role that proves Cheadle is better for this than Howard -- is the role nobody likes him in. In Mission To Mars you have Cheadle doing technobabble in a space suit in scenes with Gary Sinise and Tim Robbins. If you watch that, then watch Traitor, you'll see that Cheadle's the guy. On Nov 4, 2008, at 10:09 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: But *how* do they know that Howard couldn't handle the role? They never gave him a chance. I love Cheadle's work, top to bottom, but he's a dramatic actor. I can't see him fitting into what is primarily an action movie. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired Date : Tue, 4 Nov 2008 03:47:45 EST From : [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I don't know. But I think he can do it. Especially after seeing him in that movie were he plays a CIA counter-agent. Still after reading the article does this mean that Rhodes will have a bigger role in the film now that they fell they have an actor that can handle it. Or will we barely see him in IM2 no matter who plays him because of this. -GTW In a message dated 11/4/08 3:11:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I like Cheadle but I can't see him in the role of James Rhodes... Said --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella wrote: 'Iron Man 2': How Terrence Howard Lost His Metal Marvel's decision to recast the role of Col. Jim Rhodes said to be a combination of salary issues and concern about the performance By ; Nicole Sperling Nicole Sperling Nicole Sperling When a summer blockbuster grosses more than $300 million, putting together a sequel is typically as simple as throwing buckets of money at your stars and signing a few pieces of paper. That hasn't been the case with Iron Man 2. It took months for Marvel Studios to lock in director Jon Favreau for the sequel. And reports that Don l Cheadle will replace Terrence Howard as Col. Jim Rhodes - a supporting character who seemed poised for a big role in the follow-up after he muttered ''Next time, baby'' to Iron Man's steel suit - hint that IM2 isn't quite as infallible as the superhero at its center. Hollywood insiders believe the exit stems from Terrence Howard 's difficult behavior on the set of Iron Man. But those with intimate knowledge of the situation suggest a far more dramatic backstory: Howard was the first actor signed to the film and, on top of that, was the highest-paid. That's right: more than Gwyneth Paltrow . More than Jeff Bridges. More than Robert Downey Jr. And once the project fully came together, it was too late to renegotiate his deal. It didn't help that, according to one source, Favreau and his producers were ultimately unhappy with Howard's performance, and spent a lot of time cutting and reshooting his scenes. (Favreau could not be reached for comment, while Howard's publicist says: ''Terrence had a tremendous experience working on Iron Man.'') As such, when Favreau and screenwriter Justin Theroux went to map out the sequel they found themselves minimizing Howard's story line. Once Marvel learned that Favreau was thinking of curtailing the role, the studio went to the actor's agents with a new and drastically reduced offer - a number that's similar to what supporting cast members were paid for the first movie. The agents, according to sources, were so taken aback by this new figure - estimated at somewhere between a 50 and 80 percent pay cut - that they questioned it. Why did they blanch? Multiple sources say that Marvel execs
[scifinoir2] Re: SciFi Rates Returning Series Based on Viewership
I saw a couple episodes of Chuck... you're not missing much. The best Scifi/ geek show on the networks this season is the big bang theroy. It's smart and funny. TV the past few seasons has really been dumbed down. It's like hey let's flood the market with really dumb shows. (notice how I didn't mention Ghost Hunters that's how much I think of it) --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, that proves it: this rating system they use is bogus. No human with enough brain power to move his eyelids could possibly rate Ghost Hunters an A show! I've tried to watch it, and it's just stupid. Nothing's ever proven, they run around with EM detectors like something out of Ghostbusters. It reminds me of when they had John Edward the psychic on years ago, to watch him talk to the dead. And then a show like Chuck is given a really low grade. Now I don't watch Chuck, but critics love it, and its fan base may be smaller than NBC wants, but it's very, very loyal. And I can tell from even cursory viewing that it's lightyears beyond Ghost Hunters, yet it gets a much lower grade?? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] We Rate Returning SF TV Series http://www.scifi.com/sfw/news/sfw_news_20081103.html Yikes! And you think the economy is bad. Imagine being a network executive these days. Much like the vanishing honeybees, television viewers seems to have evaporated, and shows across the spectrum are struggling. In fact, the networks are bleeding as they thrash about trying to figure out how to bring viewers back to their favorite shows. In this second of two stories, we take a look at how returning SFF series are doing this fall, grading them from best to worst. Ghost Hunters (SCI FI) Premiered with 2.7 million viewers. Last week, 3.2 million viewers. The future's so bright, these ghost hunters will have to wear shades. Last week our favorite ghost- hunting plumbers reached a series high, which is great news leading into their big live Halloween investigation special. And beyond spawning a successful sequel in Ghost Hunters International, SCI FI just announced it has ordered a pilot for Ghost Hunters: College Edition, in which seasoned investigators lead a group of college students in the hunt for ghosts. Can you say franchise? Or, heck, let's just have the Ghost Hunting Channel. Grade: A This story continues below the image. The Ghost Hunters: Jason Hawes (left) and Grant Wilson. (Chris Kontoes for SCI FI ) Ghost Whisperer (CBS) Premiered with 9.31 million viewers. Last week, 9.95 million viewers. While the series hasn't been able to crack 10 million viewers this year, it's come close enough that it is the highest-rated series on Friday nights. And this is one of the few shows that has actually increased viewers since last year on the networks. Grade: B+ Supernatural (The CW) Premiered with 3.96 million viewers. Last week, 3.25 million viewers. Supernatural has also done well this season, increasing in total viewers from last season. This male- oriented show also has seen a dramatic increase among women 18-49, which is very good. And the show did it all in the toughest timeslot on television. Grade: B Smallville (The CW) Premiered with 4.38 million viewers. Last week, 4.22 million viewers. Down a bit from last season, Smallville is still looking like a champ, compared with The CW's other low-rated programming. It may not be as shiny as it once was, but what show would be as it delves into its eighth season? Ratings should be good enough for another year--if The CW doesn't collapse completely. It's unlikely the network will find another show that can be competitive on Thursday nights with viewers as loyal as those for Smallville. Grade: B- This story continues below the image. Tom Welling as Clark Kent in Smallville. (Michael Courtney for The CW) Heroes (NBC) Premiered with 9.89 million viewers. Last week, 8.46 million viewers. How the mighty have fallen. While Heroes premiered last year with 16.97 million viewers, the series has taken a significant hit. One bright spot is that the show does very well in DVR viewings later in the week. The bad news is that most of those people don't watch commercials. It's doubtful Heroes is in danger of cancellation at this point, but the show's hit status has vanished. Grade: C (NBC is owned by NBC Universal, which also owns SCIFI.COM.) Chuck (NBC) Premiered with 6.48 million viewers. Last week, 6.7 million viewers. You've got to love a show about a sweet and adorable nerd who ends up accidentally becoming a spy, and NBC loved it enough in its second season to give it a full-season pickup before it even premiered. Unfortunately, viewers have not been flocking to the series, which is down significantly from last year, and if NBC didn't have other problems, Chuck would be in big trouble. Grade: C- Eli
[scifinoir2] mini wargamers
Are there any miniature gamers in the house?? I know you're out there?? What games do you play? what Armies do you have? Com'on and share... pretty please.
[scifinoir2] Re: Way OT: Atlanta Man's Elaborate Proposal Big Online Hit
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] When's the wedding? Don't know: they haven't gotten around to planning it, and buddy's broke anyway. [snip] Hmm if he's that broke, then why would he waste that money on the proposal and not the wedding? Maybe it's just me.
[scifinoir2] Re: George Lucas Calls 'Spider-Man 3' Silly
to be honest i kinda liked the ewoks, but i couldn't stand the gungans (not just jarjar but all of 'em) the puppet scenes in the star wars movies just adds to its silliness. lets see there's that whole scene on hut's ship in return of the jedi where lucas unsuccessfully tried to create a lounge scene... BUT WITH ALIENS, YEAH! i won't even go into the pod race, or the gungan's battle with the droids, or that stupid thing that kenobi was riding in revenge of the sith. i think that the mandelorians are the coolest thing in the universe, but we'll never see them because they think that jedis and sith are silly. scifi films were rerepairably ruined by star wars (this is all the more ironic when you consider that star wars is a space opera and not scifi). it's one of those movies that's cool as a kid, but when you watch them as an adult they kind of lose their appeal. even star trek holds up, sure it's a little cheesy but it's not unbelieveable. what's even more laughable is the lucas has the balls to poke fun at a series that PREDATES star wars by a few decades. sure it's a little over the top, but that's the point. comics aren't supposed to be realistic. if they were they wouldn't be comics. i think that he's jealous that 1000 yrs from now people will be trying to find out who this spiderman was and if he really exsisted while they'll disregard star wars as a childrens movie. there are plenty of wonderful things in the star wars universe, but then that's what makes it so silly. lucas doesn't focus on one or even two and use the rest as back drop. he wants you to get the full experience of the star wars universe. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, g123curious [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jar Jar Binks is not silly? Ewoks are not silly? Lucas needs to shut his pie-hole on this topic of silliness. George --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) tdlists@ wrote: I first saw it as a kid ad really liked it , but never knew why everyone was freaking out over it. When I watch them now as an adult, I find the acting stiff, the script cookie cutter and unimaginative...and those are the good ones. There is no way this man can believe that the mess he made of the Star Wars franchise is less silly than the Spiderman. Even with the flaws, I think the Spiderman franchise is fantastic. I think Lucas is jealous Tracey Martin wrote: Myself, I never got the initial thrill of it. B. Smith daikaiju66@ mailto:daikaiju66%40yahoo.com wrote: If I were Raimi and Co. I wouldn't lose any sleep considering it's coming from the man that delivered three tepid prequels, Gungans, Ewoks, etc. Silly indeed. I just have never understood the reverence for Star Wars or Lucas. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) tdlists@ wrote: While I'm a big fan of Star Wars and it seems like Spiderman has a few problems (like so many undeveloped storylines in one movie) but I do not think Stars Wars never really delved into character development like the Spiderman series has done. = Lucas is currently preparing Indiana Jones 4 with Harrison Ford, Blanchett and Shia LaBoeuf. The latter plays Ford's son, which means his mother was possibly the character Karen Allen played in Raiders of the Lost Ark. snip
[scifinoir2] Re: Sales soar for new Tolkien novel
ditto i've pretty much given up on comics. especially since i found out they killed off captain america. **shudder** i went into a comic store a month ago and i was lost. i didn't everything i looked at looked like crap compared to the old days. sure the art is still on par, but the stories... no comment. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read 1632 and a couple of its sequels. Comics, don't ask. I'm miles behind. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hear you, but I've been reading a time-waster series from Eric Flint that started with teh book 1632. It deals with the small West Virginia town of Grantviell, which is literally cut-and-pasted from our time to Germany in 1632. Smack dab in the middle of the Thirty Years war, the residents have to survive amidst attacks and intrigues. They have the benefits of superiour technology and learning, but they're only a town of 3,000, beset by countries like Spain and France--under the grip of the infamous Cardinal Richlieu, no less--that come to view the up timers as a threat to be eliminated. They remind me of all those quickly churned out scifi books I read as a kid dealing with alien civilizations, humans working as bounty hunters on other planets, etc. The historical research is exhaustive. I've learned things about European history I frankly didn't know, such as the fact that Sweden was once a powerful nation with a feared military, or that the Dutch had the known world's best Navy at the time. Ideas of how things like modern machine guns, electricity, cars, prop planes, etc., would affect Europe at that time are interesting. For example, the history books in the local high school library become sources of great power, as Richlieu and others steal them in order to read about--and in some cases, prevent--the details of their own futures. Thus, kings and generals are demoted, promoted, or executed according to whether the history books reveal that these men would be traitors or heroes in their own future. Doing this has already altered history; but then, it's been established that Grantville's moving back in time actually created a divergence in the timeline, creating a new universe. The concept is cool, the books themselves (I'm currently reading the second, 1633) just fair. But between work and yard work and stuff, the quick and easy reading's been entertaining. I also have a huge backlog of comics to catch up on. Just finished Marvel's Civil War, now getting into the followup The Initiative titles. Still have all of DCs Infinite Crisis and 52 books to read too... -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't think I'll be waiting that long, Keith. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, the sales are high and the reviews are favorable. And since I absolutely *love* books that delve more deeply into the history of legends---The Silmarillion is one of my favs--I think I'll enjoy this one too. Maybe I'll get it for the cold winter days, which is when I ready my heavier books. ** Sales soar for new Tolkien novel By HILLEL ITALIE, AP National WriterTue May 1, 4:15 PM ET The world still has a taste for tales about Middle-earth. Two weeks after the publication of J.R.R. Tolkien's The Children of Hurin, an unfinished novel edited by the late author's son, Christopher, more than 900,000 copies are in print worldwide, nearly double the original total, according to the U.S. publisher, Houghton Mifflin. The new book, a prequel to Tolkien's mega-selling epic The Lord of the Rings, was started by J.R.R. Tolkien in 1918, but eventually abandoned. The author died in 1973, and his son spent the next 30 years working on the manuscript. Excerpts from The Children of Hurin, which includes the elves and dwarves of Tolkien's other works, had been published over the years, but there was never a single narrative until this spring. The Children of Hurin, which came out April 17, has topped numerous best-seller lists and Houghton Mifflin has increased its printing from 250,000 to 550,000. In Britain, copies in print have been raised from 250,000 to 360,000. Reviews have been favorable. Elizabeth Hand wrote in The Washington Post that Hurin was grand, epic storytelling and a reminder, if one was needed, of Tolkien's genius in creating an imaginary world that both reflects and deepens a sense of our own mythic past. The Associated Press' Bruce DeSilva praised the book as a coherent, vivid and readable narrative. Film rights for have yet to be optioned, with the Tolkien estate reportedly waiting to see the public's response to the book. The Lord of the Rings was adapted into an Academy Award-winning trio of blockbusters, directed by Peter Jackson. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the
[scifinoir2] Re: Favorite Scifi Minie Series - Worse Scifi Mini- Series
for me the worst was the langoliers **shudder** it was S disappointing. i don't really have a best. athough i did like V. i remember seeing it when i was little wanting the toys in the show. and while it wasn't a bad miniseries. storm of the century was a big downer. all this build up and the ending was kind of a let down, but that was just me. i still enjoy watchin it whenever it comes on. on a side note, tracey did you ever get to see the original lathe of heaven?? it holds up alot better then the remake. altho it was good as far as remakes go. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: come on people, share your favorite and worse mini-series with me... Please Tarcey Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: as most of you know, I just returned from Mexico. While we got a lot of the same stuff that is aired here is the states, many of the TV show either air on a much later date or don't air at all. One show I missed in Mexico that replayed last night was The Lost Room, despite several plot flaws, I thoroughly enjoyed it. Since the left the ending open, I hope they make it into a regular series (maybe to replace that pain-in-the-ass Jane.Did anyone else like it? What other scifi mini series do you like? Below is a small list of a few of my favorites and one I absolute hated Liked a lot The Stand Dune and Children of Dune The Lost Room Lathe of Heaven Hated: Earthsea
[scifinoir2] Re: Fav B Movie - Worse B Movie - DOA
HHHEEYYY i liked resident evil. well i liked the first one. as
for the sequel. well i can see where you're coming from. but the
first oen rocked. how can you not like a survival horror film where
all the characters know how to handle weapons. sure it's not in the
same league as say aliens but hey some movies are instant classics.
but the first resident evil was pretty good.
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wow, I didn't see this movie (after video game based dreck
like Resident Evil, can you blame me?) But it's probably a good
qualifier for a really bad B-movie. I mean, a martial-arts flick with
Jamie Pressly, Sarah Carter (currently on Shark), Devon Aoki (the
silent ninja girl from Sin City) and perennial martial arts B-movie
star Eric Roberts? Gotta qualify!
[about DOA: Dead or Alive]
DOA is a martial arts tournament where the world's best fighters
anticipate in a contest, where combatants faces each other on a
mysterious island, where the loser who gets knocked-out will be
forced to leave the island and return home. And the winner will be
moved on the next match. Three female fighters are chosen to take
part in DOA: Christie Allen, a sexy jewel thief, Tina Armstrong, a
tough-as-nails pro-wrestler and Kasumi, a Ninja princess. Once
arriving on the island after jumping out of their airplane with
parachutes, Christie, Tina and Kasumi finds they aren't just fighting
for the championship, they find themselves up against Tornament
master Donovan, the previous tournament master's teenage daughter
Helena Douglas is also taking part in DOA to honor her father's
legacy, Kasumi has left her kingdom to find what happened to her
brother who mysteriously disappeared at the tournament a year ago,
Tina is taking part to prove she isn't a fake and Christie and her
lover Maximil
lian Marsh bid to break into a vault on the island. But Donovan has
his own agenda and has other plans for the female fighters.
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[scifinoir2] free SCIFI TV
hey guys i was surfing the web and i saw a site where you can download some free tv shows. they have V and babylon 5 as well as some others. but those were the ones that stuck out to me. anywho here's the link. http://video.aol.com/video-category/in2tv-sci-fi/1716 enjoy
[scifinoir2] Re: Fav B Movie - Worse B Movie
long shot isn't the word say if you want i can dub it for you even if it'll be on vhs. i only ask that you cover the cost of the tapes and the shipping. of course this is for the first 2 volumes only. just a suggestion. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/25/07 9:24:02 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: actually i liked the anime, athough if the cgi show would have had power armor like the anime it would probably have been the closest to the book. you're right it is next to impossible to find. i've never seen it on ebay, but it was floating around on yahoo auctions. i check in periodically to see if it pops up. there was a comicbook store selling the whole series in the raw japanese unsubtitled for like 20 bucks. unfortunately, i lost the url of the site. with the effective death of vhs tapes i don't have the first clue of where you might be able to get it. I didn't say that I hated the anime. Just that I wasn't happy with some of it. And yeah I wish they would have had armor in the movie also. And not the armored body suits that they had in the cgi version-which inspite of it was still good. But as for actually getting a copy of it? I know it's a hard find, but I'm still looking. I'm hoping that someone would put up a torrent for it but that's also a longshot. -GTW ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: Fav B Movie - Worse B Movie
actually i liked the anime, athough if the cgi show would have had power armor like the anime it would probably have been the closest to the book. you're right it is next to impossible to find. i've never seen it on ebay, but it was floating around on yahoo auctions. i check in periodically to see if it pops up. there was a comicbook store selling the whole series in the raw japanese unsubtitled for like 20 bucks. unfortunately, i lost the url of the site. with the effective death of vhs tapes i don't have the first clue of where you might be able to get it. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/24/07 4:05:41 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: would you believe i actually watched the whole thing?? **shudder** i dunno why but i felt i had too. lol i've seen almost everything starship troopers that there is. the only thing i haven't seen is vol 3 of the 1989 anime. that was probably the truest to the book of anything. althought roughneck chronicles wasn't too bad. As for the animated Starship Troopers series getting it right. Um. Yes and no. The suits and training they got almost right (of course they'll get the suits right). The storyline started true-to-form but deviated from the book around the series middle. And the main character they f'ed up on being that Jonny himself was a blond, blue eyed caucasion (not philipeno-which the roughnecks series got right on). But carmin was nearly spot on perfect. Eitherway dispite it's pluses they got enough wrong on the project that the Heinlin people didn' like it overall from what I heard. Still it was alot better than the movies. And I'm still trying to get that f**%ng series (finding a needie in a haystay is easier). -GTW ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: Fav B Movie - Worse B Movie
my fave b scifi movies would definitely have to be whole live action giant robot series. robot jox, robot wars, and crash burn. all of which i own on vhs. robot jox had the best graphics. even if you can tell that they were using models there's something about acutally building something to scale. man i miss the old days when they actually had to build stuff. i also like a really obscure movie call space marines. it's been a while since i saw it. i doubt it'll ever end up on scifi (it just doesn't have the crappy factor that their looking for) i wish i could find it. it actually had a half way decent plot. something about trying to stop a dictator from getting a superweapon. oddly enough the movie was made in 1989 i think so go figure.
[scifinoir2] Re: Fav B Movie - Worse B Movie
almost forgot the worst. the worst for me was starship troopers 2: heros of the federation. all i have to say is HUH!?! was there even a plot or did they just start filming and say let's see what happens.
[scifinoir2] Re: Fav B Movie - Worse B Movie
would you believe i actually watched the whole thing?? **shudder** i dunno why but i felt i had too. lol i've seen almost everything starship troopers that there is. the only thing i haven't seen is vol 3 of the 1989 anime. that was probably the truest to the book of anything. althought roughneck chronicles wasn't too bad. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is the worse. I could sit through more than 20 minutes of it Tracey votomguy wrote: almost forgot the worst. the worst for me was starship troopers 2: heros of the federation. all i have to say is HUH!?! was there even a plot or did they just start filming and say let's see what happens.
[scifinoir2] Re: Fav B Movie - Worse B Movie
i almost forgot the best part of the movie. did you notice that they didnt' have enough complete uniforms from the first one for the sequel?? and they didn't even hae the morita that was in the first one. that caught me off guard especially with all the starship trooper uniforms floatin in so many other sicif shows/ movies.
[scifinoir2] Re: Fav B Movie - Worse B Movie
in a word... YES!!! even if you're as big a starship troopers fan as i am. let's just say the next time i see a movie and i'm like WOW i din't know there was a sequel. i'll just see what else is on. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've never seen that. Did I get lucky? votomguy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: almost forgot the worst. the worst for me was starship troopers 2: heros of the federation. all i have to say is HUH!?! was there even a plot or did they just start filming and say let's see what happens. There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: Miniatures Gaming and Miniorities
yeah i myself don't really go for the fantasy thing. for me it's about the lack of an african presence in fantasy games. like all the other ethinicities have their own input into fantasy but from africa there's very little or nothing at all. for me that's a turn off. actually if i did host an event i would probably have pizza delivered. but thanks for all the suggestions. i have more than enough northern forces. it's my southerners that need work. i only hae two cadres. compared to the 2 and a half sections of nothern forces i have. thanks for the input tho. --jason --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like a good idea. Especially if you can find those willing to do do. However If you do first have a bunch of painted figs ready to go to get their interrest. And while I have some problem w/HG it's still the type of simple pick-up-and go system needed to do what you needed. And doing HG seems to be a good idea as IMO for some strange reason minorities don't tend to go for fantasy type themes as well. Otherwise just pick a time a date where you can get the most people to come. And hold it in a place that's near to a snack shop. Hope this helps. -GTW In a message dated 4/21/07 4:59:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've been toying with the idea of starting a gaming league targeted primarily (but not exclusive to) minorities. I would prefer to run Heavy Gear, but it is somewhat expensive. While I can appreciate the value of $40.00 boxed sets ($60.00 with for the starter sets), I would be the first to admit that it's a bit steep for someone who isn't into it. Of course that doesn't stop parents from spending $60.00 on the latest 360 or ps3 game, so maybe it's not as big of a deal as I think. It would probably be ideal do run some kind of alternate WWII game using Star Grunt II miniatures, as they are more reasonably priced, especially at the 15mm scale. The down side there is the fact that you have to order overseas and I don't know if I'm ready to become a distributor. Has anyone ever toyed with the idea of starting a gaming league? Were you able to I have no doubt that interest could be drummed up. I was going to run a Heavy Gear game at the church picnic last year and all the kids wanted to know what Heavy Gear was. If I did get a chance to run it, I'm sure that they could easily have gotten hooked. Of course, I could just build the armies and let the kids play using the minis provided. With our community being so sports centered, it would be nice to show our kids something that gets their imaginations going. On Friday, CBS Nightly News ran a story about a book that was written about Albert Einstein's life. The author of the book said that Einstein was a marginal student, but one of things that set him apart was his imagination. It would be nice to equip our kids with tools that encourage the expansion of their imagination. In my mind, gaming could be a great tool to use. Any thoughts, suggestions, or questions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks --jason ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Miniatures Gaming and Miniorities
I've been toying with the idea of starting a gaming league targeted primarily (but not exclusive to) minorities. I would prefer to run Heavy Gear, but it is somewhat expensive. While I can appreciate the value of $40.00 boxed sets ($60.00 with for the starter sets), I would be the first to admit that it's a bit steep for someone who isn't into it. Of course that doesn't stop parents from spending $60.00 on the latest 360 or ps3 game, so maybe it's not as big of a deal as I think. It would probably be ideal do run some kind of alternate WWII game using Star Grunt II miniatures, as they are more reasonably priced, especially at the 15mm scale. The down side there is the fact that you have to order overseas and I don't know if I'm ready to become a distributor. Has anyone ever toyed with the idea of starting a gaming league? Were you able to I have no doubt that interest could be drummed up. I was going to run a Heavy Gear game at the church picnic last year and all the kids wanted to know what Heavy Gear was. If I did get a chance to run it, I'm sure that they could easily have gotten hooked. Of course, I could just build the armies and let the kids play using the minis provided. With our community being so sports centered, it would be nice to show our kids something that gets their imaginations going. On Friday, CBS Nightly News ran a story about a book that was written about Albert Einstein's life. The author of the book said that Einstein was a marginal student, but one of things that set him apart was his imagination. It would be nice to equip our kids with tools that encourage the expansion of their imagination. In my mind, gaming could be a great tool to use. Any thoughts, suggestions, or questions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks --jason
[scifinoir2] Gaming Convention in Iraq
When President Bush ordered troops to Iraq, he probably never imagined that he would be ultimately be responsible for what very well could be the very first DD convention/game day ever held in a war zone. Ziggurat Con, being held June 9 from 1200 to 2100 hours at Camp Adder/Tallil Airbase, is open to all allied military personnel and civilian contractors in Iraq. KBR and MWR (the army's Morale Welfare Recreation Department) have graciously allowed service members to use part of the Community Activity Center to hold the Game Day. The Ping Pong room will be set up for RPGs (Role-Playing Games, not to be confused with the rocket propelled grenades which share the same acronym), and the DVD Movie room will be playing Anime Movies all day in support of the event. The largest problem with running a Con in Iraq, of course, is that there are no local stores or game publishers, and few game books on the post. Even dice are in short supply, with many soldiers breaking the unwritten taboo held by many gamers and sharing dice. Thankfully, many game publishers have also lent their support, and have agreed to supply game products to help the Con along. Aethereal FORGE, Sovereign Press, Final Redoubt Press, Goodman Games, Paizo Publishing and Steve Jackson Games are among those that have thrown in their support for the convention. SPC Amberson indicated that the soldiers could definitely use more. This convention is currently in drastic need of prizes and giveaways for the troops, he said. Everything donated will go directly to the troops, or to MWR to use as loaner books for the soldiers. For more information, contact SPC David Amberson at the following address: david.amberson (at) iraq.centcom.mil Donations can also be sent to SPC Amberson directly at the following address: SPC David Amberson A Co 86th Sig Bn APO, AE 09331 They're planning to run the following games (and will be happy to get additional games): Babylon 5 RPG, Cyberpunk 2020, DD, DD RPGA, GURPS, Historic Miniatures Battles, Magic Tournament, MechWarrior Miniatures, Rifts, Shadowrun, Starship Troopers, White Wolf System-Vampire, White Wolf System-Werewolf, XCrawl Got any game books crowding your shelves that you never use? Here's a great cause to donate them to. Spread the word. We would love anything we can get. We do have a White Wolf game here, but not much in the line of books, mostly the older editions. We will have a small LARP game that we are trying to get permission to have happen at the Ziggurat for which the con is named (A LARP at a historical site that has been around since Biblical times - WOW). Gamer related material would be absolutely awesome!! It takes 2 weeks or less when shipping Priority, so you still have time. My address is as follows: SPC David Amberson A Co 86th Sig Bn APO, AE 09331 Thank you so much for your support, Dave
[scifinoir2] Re: SciFi Friday is Back
yeah scifi friday's should be for space type shows. i feel your pain on the sg-1 series tho. they spent alot of time getting the show from just another b-scifi tvshow to something that was actually enjoyable to watch. and then for whatever reason. richard dean anderson decides to take less of a role in the story. and we're left with ben browder. unlike joe flanigan which was able to take some of oneal's charactisitcs and create a completely unique character with sheppard (say where's my power bar). i think the downfall of the sg1 series is that it relied too much on the oneal character to carry the show. once he was gone the show pretty much died with him. of course screwing with the gould metaplot didn't help any either. don't get me wrong the ori are growing on me, but they're too mystical. the gould made for better villians, altho the wraith are a close second. the only problem i have with atlantis is the replacement of lt ford with ronan. to me they took the easy way out. it was a quick fix of the lack of character development of rainbow sun francks character. it's kind of like ensign kim in star trek: voyager. but i'm starting to ramble. the point is that fridays should have space shows. voyager, enterprise, space: above and beyond (speaking of which i find it kind of interesting that both s:aab and bsg started off on fridays got a huge fan base and then were moved to sunday.), firefly. i know i can't be the only one that enjoys wasting... i mean spending, a perfectly good friday nite watching some good ole fashioned space opera. hope i didn't rant too much. --jason --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree. While I'm okay with Dresden on Sunday, Galactica on Sunday just feels plain wrong. I do think both are better on Fridays, with maybe a movie on Sunday nights--like Saturdays. SG-1 was never a fav: I've only seen maybe 25% of all the shows over the last decade. I like Atlantis better, and have seen all of those eps. -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 4/13/2007 11:19:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I guess there's still Atlantis. Oh yeah, and Painkiller Jane, which was, well, painful to watch. More on that one later. They should have never switched Battlestar Gallactica and The Dresden Files to Sundays. I could never get into the Stargate Series. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: New guy's Original Message
don't worry you didn't miss munch. i stopped at about four books after hangfire (the one with the gladiators, don't worry i didn't get it either). it was nice to see a big fight with the skinks. they do a good job of keeping you in the dark about skink technology. it isn't until the second book that they reveal some of the science in the book. not to ruin the story, but the skinks even pull off a hyperspacial jump in the planet's atmosphere. now that was cool. i think this was the first scifi series that i saw that done in. unfortunately the storyline kinda isn't the same with the whole metaplot. i've migrated to starfist: force recon. some hardcore fans don't like it but i think it's neat to finally see how a special forces unit would work in the future. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have the first novel where the Skinks showed up but I haven't read anything beyond that. I'll have to give them another shot. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], votomguy votomguy@ wrote: star fist kinda lost me a little with the whole metaplot they have going with the skinks. lazarus rising kinda sucked (at least compared to their earlier stuff.) it looks like you missed the start of the metaplot, which sucks. the series was better as one shot campaigns with occasional references to previous ones. although, i do like their starfist series. and i agree, steel guanlet was the best book in the series period. for me blood contact is number too. it reads a little like aliens, but they do a good job of not making it sound like a cheesy knock off. the old man's war/ ghost brigade sounds pretty interesting. i just might have to pick it up. that is if i can seem to put down some of my gaming books. i want to my void 1.1 book that's collecting dust as we speak. and the votoms rpg book is calling my name, but i really got to get back to reading novels, some how sourcebooks aren't giving my brain the tickle it needs. anywho, thanks for the suggestions. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], B. Smith daikaiju66@ wrote: I've been leery about buying anything by Dan Cragg since he got involved in the Virginia Senate election debacle. I liked the first few books of the series but the one with the neo-gladiator stuff kind of turned me off on the series. My favorite of the series is Steel Guantlet. That was a great piece of military sf. If you like military sci-fi try the Sten series by Allan Cole and Chris Bunch. I'd tell most folks to skip the first novel or read it later. It gives the back story of Sten but not as much of the stuff that made the rest of the books so great. The Tahn Wars arc begins in the third book Court Of A Thousand Suns and it's great. After the Tahn Wars there's a huge twist and the last two books of the series turn into something very, very different. Chris Bunch passed away a couple of years ago but he has three other mil sf series that he wrote solo: The Last Legion, The Shadow Warrior and Star Risk, LTD. The Last Legion and Shadow Warrior are pretty good but the gem of his solo work is Star Risk imho. It's about a small private military company that is at war with a huge rival called Cerebus Systems. It's lighthearted compared to Sten and the other series but that tone plays well because these guys and girls are supposed to be likeable rogues and it works but they are still hardcore mercenaries and they get into some pretty nasty fights. John Scalzi's The Old Man's War and The Ghost Brigades are also very, very good. It's more Forever War than Hammer's Slammers but he set up a great universe and humanity's place in it is precarious. Humans aren't the top dog, heck for some races humans are literally livestock, and Earth's populace has been kept in the dark about just how bad things are in the universe.
[scifinoir2] Re: New guy's Original Message
star fist kinda lost me a little with the whole metaplot they have going with the skinks. lazarus rising kinda sucked (at least compared to their earlier stuff.) it looks like you missed the start of the metaplot, which sucks. the series was better as one shot campaigns with occasional references to previous ones. although, i do like their starfist series. and i agree, steel guanlet was the best book in the series period. for me blood contact is number too. it reads a little like aliens, but they do a good job of not making it sound like a cheesy knock off. the old man's war/ ghost brigade sounds pretty interesting. i just might have to pick it up. that is if i can seem to put down some of my gaming books. i want to my void 1.1 book that's collecting dust as we speak. and the votoms rpg book is calling my name, but i really got to get back to reading novels, some how sourcebooks aren't giving my brain the tickle it needs. anywho, thanks for the suggestions. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been leery about buying anything by Dan Cragg since he got involved in the Virginia Senate election debacle. I liked the first few books of the series but the one with the neo-gladiator stuff kind of turned me off on the series. My favorite of the series is Steel Guantlet. That was a great piece of military sf. If you like military sci-fi try the Sten series by Allan Cole and Chris Bunch. I'd tell most folks to skip the first novel or read it later. It gives the back story of Sten but not as much of the stuff that made the rest of the books so great. The Tahn Wars arc begins in the third book Court Of A Thousand Suns and it's great. After the Tahn Wars there's a huge twist and the last two books of the series turn into something very, very different. Chris Bunch passed away a couple of years ago but he has three other mil sf series that he wrote solo: The Last Legion, The Shadow Warrior and Star Risk, LTD. The Last Legion and Shadow Warrior are pretty good but the gem of his solo work is Star Risk imho. It's about a small private military company that is at war with a huge rival called Cerebus Systems. It's lighthearted compared to Sten and the other series but that tone plays well because these guys and girls are supposed to be likeable rogues and it works but they are still hardcore mercenaries and they get into some pretty nasty fights. John Scalzi's The Old Man's War and The Ghost Brigades are also very, very good. It's more Forever War than Hammer's Slammers but he set up a great universe and humanity's place in it is precarious. Humans aren't the top dog, heck for some races humans are literally livestock, and Earth's populace has been kept in the dark about just how bad things are in the universe.
[scifinoir2] Re: Sponsors Abandon Imus
While it'll probably be hard for Imus to get work again, a very important issue within our community has to be answered. Why is it ok for us to call our women hos, but if someone outside our race does it we're suddenly up in arms. The saddest thing to me about the whole Imus thing is the la attitude that blacks are taking towards our own who refer to women as hos. This whole thing that it's ok for me to talk about my momma, but you can't talk about my momma. Imus should be held accountable, but the double standard in our community has to go. We can't say zero tolerance and then turn around and have special exceptions. It's also sad to say, but how much attention do we really pay to NCAA womens basketball. This one team has received more attention then any other team in Women's basketball history. Everyone talks about their story, but where was all of this coverage before the Imus debacle. That is the saddest thing of all in all of this. Would we have paid any real attention to these women and what they accomplished, or would we have glossed over the story simply saying wow that's nice. If anything, we really need to reexamine not only how we treat women, but also their accomplishments. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's a start. Now he has to lose his job, and be unable to obtain gainful employment for some time to come, before the collective lesson begins to sink in. I was watching Cold Pizza on ESPN2 yesterday, and one of the commentators said (paraphrasing *very* roughly), if a regualr everyday broadcaster were to have uttered such words, he or she would've been fired on the spot. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By DAVID CRARY ASSOCIATED PRESS NEW YORK â Bruce Gordon, former head of the NAACP and a director of CBS Corp., said Wednesday the broadcasting company needs a âzero tolerance policyâ on racism and hopes talk-show host Don Imus is fired for his demeaning remarks about the mostly black Rutgers womenâs basketball team. âHeâs crossed the line, heâs violated our community,â Gordon said in a telephone interview with the Associated Press. âHe needs to face the consequence of that violation.â Gordon, a longtime telecommunications executive, stepped down in March after 19 months as head of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, one of the foremost U.S. civil rights organizations. He said he had spoken with CBS chief executive Leslie Moonves and hoped the company, after reviewing the situation, would âmake the smart decisionâ by firing Imus rather than letting him return to the air at the end of a two-week suspension that was announced Tuesday. âWe should have a zero tolerance policy when it comes to what I see as irresponsible, racist behavior,â Gordon said. âThe Imus comments go beyond humor. Maybe he thought it was funny, but thatâs not what occurred. There has to be a consequence for that behavior.â Gordon said that as a matter of principle, firing Imus should be an easy decision to make, though he respects the right of CBS leadership to consider all factors. âWhen I look at it from my position as a director, where my responsibility is to represent the best interest of the shareholders, itâs more complex,â Gordon said. âBut at the end of the day, the image of CBS is at risk. ... the ad revenue of CBS could be at risk.â âWhat I expect is for management to take the next two weeks to do their homework,â he said. âI hope that the result of their due diligence is to terminate Don Imus.â Imus triggered the uproar on his April 4 show, when he referred to the Rutgers players as ânappy-headed hos.â His comments have been widely denounced by civil rights and womenâs groups, and two sponsors, Staples Inc. and Procter Gamble Co., have pulled their advertising from the radio show. PG spokesman Terry Loftus said the company pulled ads from the show as of last Friday. Another sponsor, Bigelow Tea, said in a statement posted on its Web site that the remarks have âput our future sponsorship in jeopardy.â Calls for the radio hostâs dismissal have been growing, including from groups such as the National Organization for Women and the National Association of Black Journalists. The 10 members of the Rutgers team spoke publicly for the first time Tuesday about the on-air comments, made the day after the team lost the NCAA championship game to Tennessee. Some of them wiped away tears as their coach, C. Vivian Stringer, criticized Imus for âracist and sexist remarks that are deplorable, despicable, abominable and unconscionable.â The women, eight of whom are black, called his comments insensitive and hurtful. âIt kind of scars us. We grew up in a world where racism
[scifinoir2] Imus Just Fired
Just saw on the news that msnbc will no longer be carrying Imus's show.
[scifinoir2] Re: New guy's Original Message
-- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Reece Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was going to just welcome tdlists...but then he got MY attention by developing units based on Black military units. The 761st is one of my favorites! Hey, can you check out these guys, td? http://hometown.aol.com/shahwk2/The555Airborne.html The 555th Parachute Infantry Battalion America's First All African American Parachute Unit yeah i'm a student of the black presence in wwII. i did my history paper on the tuskegee airmen and this was before they were so popular. try finding info on an (at the time) obscure unit in the preinternet days. ahh good times. but yes i know about the tuskegee airmen. i even got to meet a couple of the guys from the OH-five, as they were called after they were integrated into the 82nd. i used to have the site that listed all of the all black units in. i have a special place in my heart for infantrymen. dunno what it is i really like ground hog units. i guess that's why i like the 92nd so much. plus they have the coolest patch (gotta love the buffalo against the olive drab). i keep saying that i'm gonna make myself a replica m41 with 92nd inf and wwII era rank insignias. thanks for the extra info tho i dont' think i have that site. i'll have to look for that all black unit site.
[scifinoir2] Re: New guy's Original Message
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a fellow black guy who's also watches and loves those anime mecha shows (ever heard of Mars Daybreak? A surprisenly good show about underwater mecha). ooh under water mecha. i gotta see that. it'll give me ideas for gears for atlantis. :) i don't like alot of the newer stuff. too computery **shudder** plus i'm really picky. i'll have to look for mars daybreak it sounds interesting. sea quest meets gundam?? Again same here (though I can't find anyone who's into heavy gear. And I have a friend that's trying to get me into warhammer 40k by giving me his old Tau collection for me to repaint (yes I also do models). i feel you on the heavy gear thing. the best thing i can tell you is to get gears from both sides. and indoctrinate someone. or you could start you're own heavy gear league. that's an idea i'm toying with. i'm planning on trying to run a heavy gear demo at the church picnic. have you seen the new blitz minis. i don't know if you own any but they are definitely worth the price. you get 5 gears and the equivalent of a weapons blister. my only regret is that i didn't get a chance to get any of the 3rd edition squad sets. which i really don't like. i got the paxton general purpose squad set to help inspire someone into modelling. as for 40k, am i the only one that is a little creeped out by some of the outfits of that the inquistion wears especially if you've read any warhammer monthlys. some of there stuff looks almost like the clan. i tried to chalk them just being british until i got laserburn and i read that africans formed their own league (the red demptionists) didn't want anything to do with the imperium of man. still i don't like the lack of brown faces reflected in their books, which is a stark contrast to heavy gear. every now and again i toy with the idea of doing my own game (i suppose every gamer goes through that.) of course i would probably have to get into resin casting. (woohoo hard core modelling at its finest) Well I'm glad to have a friend that reads' both and kinda tips me off to those which i should pay interrest in (he's the reason why I'm looking at the Honor Harriton series. And since I'm also a gamer I'm slowly been working on a Hammers Slammers mecha campaign idea (but that's geekdom-but one that also likes to have a real life). you know there's a hammer's slammers miniatures game. old crowe makes the blowers, and ground zero (of full thrust, star grunt fame) makes the infantry. and i forget the company that makes the rules. who'd thunk such a great game would be developed in all its parts. also i took the concept of the combat car and am in the process of a conversion to heavy gear for the cef/ port arthur. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're right, many blacks don't do it because it can get expensive...Hammer's Slammers and Starfistare pretty good. There was a series about whole planets devoted to mercenary soldiers...All of those are good examples of military science fiction...I wish Kevin Randle was still writing it...My favorite series by him was called Jefferson's War. yeah i agree. it can be expensive. i think i'm at about the $400 mark. it is possible if you're patient enough to wait for something good to pop up on ebay. i recently picked up 5 hunters for 13 bucks shipping included. i started with one miniature and 2 books five years ago. now i'm up to... well let's just say that i have enough to run a heavy gear game with north, south and cef. (man i love hovertanks). do you play any games??
[scifinoir2] Re: 39,000 pets killedby Tainted Food
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, The Yokozuna Of Soul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anyone on the list a particular aficionado in Planet Of The Apes? Isn't this sort of how the whole thing started? Didn't the dogs and cats die off and then people took apes into their homes? Daryle as long as all the resturants don't become taco bells and arnold becomes president. oh wait, that was demolition man. --jason
[scifinoir2] new guy
hey guys, i just joined posted a message in the old now dead scifinoir group and i don't feel much like reposting the whole message again. anywho, was wondering i'm the only miniatures wargamer in the house. i know there aren't too many people of color who are into real gaming (no playing video games doesn't count) i'm currently playing heavy gear and my friend is dragging me kicking and screaming into warhammer 40k. needless to say i love scifi tv, novels, comics, movies, etc... anywho just thought i'd drop a line and say hi. --jason
[scifinoir2] thanks
Thanks Tracy for the repost you're the best. Truth is I really couldn't remember alot of what I wrote.
