Re: [scifinoir2] Untold African history: Black Russians

2010-02-19 Thread Keith Johnson
Dude, that Black Obama is a watermelon seller? I wonder if the irony of that 
is lost on a Russian? 
I remember many stories about blacks in Russia and the pain they suffer. 
Remember a few short years ago there was violence at a dorm where African 
students were staying while at university? That was linked to racism by white 
Russians against those students of color. 

I am still saddened and frankly, sometimes confused, at people of color going 
to places where they are even more in the minority. I get seeking out new and 
better opportunities. And I sure as hell get why Russia could have seemed more 
welcoming to people flying the horrors of Jim Crow America. But I have longed 
believed that it is important to be surrounded by people who look like you in 
addition to those who dont: it fosters a sense of belonging and comfort, it 
helps prevent one from feeling like some kind of oddity, and it can help shield 
from some of the more hostile barbs one might take. I have black friends here 
in America who have chosen to live in majority white areas, and they always end 
up with problems. I live in a very mixed community,and don't have those 
pressures at least. 

- Original Message - 
From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 1:34:03 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Untold African history: Black Russians 







society 
Russia’s Black Community 


Kevin O’Flynn , Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty 


Image 1: “African-Russians activists demonstrate in a march against racism in 
the Volga city of Nizhy Novgorod”; Image 2: “Yelena Khanga (right) co-hosting a 
popular daytime TV show, The Domino Principle. She became one of Russia’s 
best-known celebrities;” Image 3: “Some African families have lived in Russia 
for several generations.” 
Society: African-Russians: Seeking their Place in an Often Hostile Environment 


Society: African-Russians: Seeking their Place in an Often Hostile Environment 

Russian reaction to President Barack Obama's visit seemed mixed, but he serves 
as inspiration to the country's little-known African-Russian community. 

For Russians of African descent, President Barack Obama offers a potent symbol 
of triumph over the same challenges they themselves face in a country where 
dark-skinned people remain rare and often unwelcome. 

Yelena Khanga is one of Russia’s best-known black citizens. The popular host of 
a top-rated 1990s chat show about sex – “Pro Eto,” (About That), she became one 
of the few black faces regularly seen on Russian television. 

Khanga’s grandparents came to the Soviet Union in the 1920s to escape the 
racism they had endured in the United States as a mixed-race couple. Today, 
Khanga says Obama’s election to the American presidency has special meaning for 
her. 

“He did what my grandmother and grandfather dreamed about in their day,” Khanga 
says. “They couldn’t even have dreamed that, one day, America would have a 
black president. The only dreams that they had—my grandmother was white, and my 
grandfather was black—was that Americans would someday allow mixed couples to 
live in peace, have children, and let the children have decent lives. That is 
what they dreamed about.” 

Khanga’s grandfather, Oliver Golden, became a member of the Communist Party in 
the United States after he failed to find work as anything but a waiter despite 
having a college degree. He soon left for the Soviet Union with his 
Polish-American wife, Bertha Bialek, in one of the groups of black Americans 
actively encouraged by Bolshevik leaders to pull up stakes in their capitalist 
homeland and help build a new society in the U.S.S.R. 

Golden traveled to Uzbekistan to work on cotton cultivation. He and his wife 
soon gave birth to a daughter named Lily, Khanga’s mother. 

Khanga says her grandparents worked hard to show Lily — who went on to marry 
Abdullah Khanga, a political leader from Zanzibar whom she met in Moscow — that 
she was free to achieve whatever she wanted. 

“The Obama campaign said, ‘Yes we can.’ My grandmother and grandfather said the 
same thing to my mother: ‘Yes, you can. You can do it,’” Khanga says. “And my 
mother was the best pupil in school, she graduated with a gold medal She 
was practically the first black person to study at MGU [Moscow State 
University] in the Soviet Union. She played tennis; it was the dream of my 
grandfather that she, a black girl, play tennis. She was the champion of 
Uzbekistan.” 

The most famous African-Russian is legendary poet Alexander Pushkin, who was 
the great-grandson of an African brought to St. Petersburg under Peter the 
Great in the early 18th century. During the Soviet era, African students were 
actively encouraged to travel to the Soviet Union for their educations, leading 
to a number of mixed marriages and African-Russian offspring. 

But black skin remains extremely rare in Russia. One estimate says

RE: [scifinoir2] Untold African history: Black Russians

2010-02-19 Thread Martin Baxter

This is just so frelling weird, because one of Russia's greatest heroes, 
Aleksandr Nevsky, was reputedly of African-Arabic ancestry.
  
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RE: [scifinoir2] Untold African history: Black Russians

2010-02-19 Thread Martin Baxter

Keith, in the case of Black Russians, they became Russian in much the same way 
we became American. If memory serves, Russian raiders, foraying out as far as 
north Africa, brought back Blacks and Arabs as slaves. Eventually, after being 
freed, they settled in enclaves, rather than risk the arduous trip back to 
their native lands.

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:19:57 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Untold African history: Black Russians


















 



  



  
  
  
Dude, that Black Obama is a watermelon seller? I wonder if the irony of that 
is lost on a Russian?
I remember many stories about blacks in Russia and the pain they suffer. 
Remember a few short years ago there was violence at a dorm where African 
students were staying while at university? That was linked to racism by white 
Russians against those students of color.

I am still saddened and frankly, sometimes confused, at people of color going 
to places where they are even more in the minority. I get seeking out new and 
better opportunities. And I sure as hell get why Russia could have seemed more 
welcoming to people flying the horrors of Jim Crow America. But I have longed 
believed that it is important to be surrounded by people who look like you in 
addition to those who dont: it fosters a sense of belonging and comfort, it 
helps prevent one from feeling like some kind of oddity, and it can help shield 
from some of the more hostile barbs one might take. I have black friends here 
in America who have chosen to live in majority white areas, and they always end 
up with problems. I live in a very mixed community,and don't have those 
pressures at least.

- Original Message -
From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 1:34:03 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] Untold African history: Black Russians








 



  



  
  
  

society
Russia’s Black Community
Kevin O’Flynn, Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty


Image 1: “African-Russians activists demonstrate in a 
march against racism in the Volga city of Nizhy Novgorod”; Image 2: 
“Yelena Khanga (right) co-hosting a popular daytime TV show, The Domino 
Principle. She became one of Russia’s best-known celebrities;” Image 3: 
“Some African families have lived in Russia for several generations.”



Society: African-Russians: Seeking their Place in an Often Hostile 
EnvironmentSociety: African-Russians: Seeking their Place in an 
Often Hostile Environment

Russian reaction to President Barack Obama's visit seemed mixed, but 
he serves as inspiration to the country's little-known African-Russian 
community.

For Russians of African descent, President Barack Obama offers a 
potent symbol of triumph over the same challenges they themselves face 
in a country where dark-skinned people remain rare and often unwelcome.

Yelena Khanga is one of Russia’s best-known black citizens. The 
popular host of a top-rated 1990s chat show about sex – “Pro Eto,” 
(About That), she became one of the few black faces regularly seen on 
Russian television.

Khanga’s grandparents came to the Soviet Union in the 1920s to escape
 the racism they had endured in the United States as a mixed-race 
couple. Today, Khanga says Obama’s election to the American presidency 
has special meaning for her.

“He did what my grandmother and grandfather dreamed about in their 
day,” Khanga says. “They couldn’t even have dreamed that, one day, 
America would have a black president. The only dreams that they had—my 
grandmother was white, and my grandfather was black—was that Americans 
would someday allow mixed couples to live in peace, have children, and 
let the children have decent lives. That is what they dreamed about.” 

Khanga’s grandfather, Oliver Golden, became a member of the Communist
 Party in the United States after he failed to find work as anything but
 a waiter despite having a college degree. He soon left for the Soviet 
Union with his Polish-American wife, Bertha Bialek, in one of the groups
 of black Americans actively encouraged by Bolshevik leaders to pull up 
stakes in their capitalist homeland and help build a new society in the 
U.S.S.R.

Golden traveled to Uzbekistan to work on cotton cultivation. He and 
his wife soon gave birth to a daughter named Lily, Khanga’s mother.

Khanga says her grandparents worked hard to show Lily — who went on 
to marry Abdullah Khanga, a political leader from Zanzibar whom she met 
in Moscow — that she was free to achieve whatever she wanted.

“The Obama campaign said, ‘Yes we can.’ My grandmother and 
grandfather said the same thing to my mother: ‘Yes, you can. You can do 
it,’” Khanga says. “And my mother was the best pupil

Re: [scifinoir2] Untold African history: Black Russians

2010-02-19 Thread Mr. Worf
The watermelon seller remark is kind of lost in translation but it does
sound racist doesn't it? From some of my reading last night on this it is
like some of the comments that they used to that were positive stereotypes
about jewish people.

One of the things that always intrigued me about this is having the guts to
pick up and leave a country. At the time of the small exodus from the US to
Russia, Russia was billing itself as the new country for the people. Sort
of a land of opportunity.  This was of course in between the Bolshevik
revolution and the Russian civil war.

They were probably better off moving to Haiti at that time.

On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 8:19 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote:



 Dude, that Black Obama is a watermelon seller? I wonder if the irony of
 that is lost on a Russian?
 I remember many stories about blacks in Russia and the pain they suffer.
 Remember a few short years ago there was violence at a dorm where African
 students were staying while at university? That was linked to racism by
 white Russians against those students of color.

 I am still saddened and frankly, sometimes confused, at people of color
 going to places where they are even more in the minority. I get seeking out
 new and better opportunities. And I sure as hell get why Russia could have
 seemed more welcoming to people flying the horrors of Jim Crow America. But
 I have longed believed that it is important to be surrounded by people who
 look like you in addition to those who dont: it fosters a sense of belonging
 and comfort, it helps prevent one from feeling like some kind of oddity, and
 it can help shield from some of the more hostile barbs one might take. I
 have black friends here in America who have chosen to live in majority white
 areas, and they always end up with problems. I live in a very mixed
 community,and don't have those pressures at least.


 - Original Message -
 From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com
 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 1:34:03 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
 Subject: [scifinoir2] Untold African history: Black Russians



 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-adv/advertisers/russia/ 
 societyhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-adv/advertisers/russia/articles/society/
  Russia’s
 Black Community

 *Kevin O’Flynn*, Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty

 Image 1: “African-Russians activists demonstrate in a march against racism
 in the Volga city of Nizhy Novgorod”; Image 2: “Yelena Khanga (right)
 co-hosting a popular daytime TV show, The Domino Principle. She became one
 of Russia’s best-known celebrities;” Image 3: “Some African families have
 lived in Russia for several generations.”
  Society: African-Russians: Seeking their Place in an Often Hostile
 Environment

 Society: African-Russians: Seeking their Place in an Often Hostile
 Environment

 Russian reaction to President Barack Obama's visit seemed mixed, but he
 serves as inspiration to the country's little-known African-Russian
 community.

 For Russians of African descent, President Barack Obama offers a potent
 symbol of triumph over the same challenges they themselves face in a country
 where dark-skinned people remain rare and often unwelcome.

 Yelena Khanga is one of Russia’s best-known black citizens. The popular
 host of a top-rated 1990s chat show about sex – “Pro Eto,” (About That), she
 became one of the few black faces regularly seen on Russian television.

 Khanga’s grandparents came to the Soviet Union in the 1920s to escape the
 racism they had endured in the United States as a mixed-race couple. Today,
 Khanga says Obama’s election to the American presidency has special meaning
 for her.

 “He did what my grandmother and grandfather dreamed about in their day,”
 Khanga says. “They couldn’t even have dreamed that, one day, America would
 have a black president. The only dreams that they had—my grandmother was
 white, and my grandfather was black—was that Americans would someday allow
 mixed couples to live in peace, have children, and let the children have
 decent lives. That is what they dreamed about.”

 Khanga’s grandfather, Oliver Golden, became a member of the Communist Party
 in the United States after he failed to find work as anything but a waiter
 despite having a college degree. He soon left for the Soviet Union with his
 Polish-American wife, Bertha Bialek, in one of the groups of black Americans
 actively encouraged by Bolshevik leaders to pull up stakes in their
 capitalist homeland and help build a new society in the U.S.S.R.

 Golden traveled to Uzbekistan to work on cotton cultivation. He and his
 wife soon gave birth to a daughter named Lily, Khanga’s mother.

 Khanga says her grandparents worked hard to show Lily — who went on to
 marry Abdullah Khanga, a political leader from Zanzibar whom she met in
 Moscow — that she was free to achieve whatever she wanted.

 “The Obama campaign said, ‘Yes we can.’ My grandmother and grandfather said

Re: [scifinoir2] Untold African history: Black Russians

2010-02-19 Thread Mr. Worf
Not all of the Africans in Russia were there because of slavery. Pushkin's
grand father was Ethiopian royalty and was a guest of the court. There are
others as well during that time frame.

There were slaves there but not as many that were brought to Europe, Brazil,
and America.

The former USSR is a mixture of a lot of different peoples. There are some
people that resemble Arab, Asian Indian, Inuit, others Chinese, and other
still a mixture of Caucasian and Asian.

On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Martin Baxter
truthseeker...@hotmail.comwrote:



 Keith, in the case of Black Russians, they became Russian in much the same
 way we became American. If memory serves, Russian raiders, foraying out as
 far as north Africa, brought back Blacks and Arabs as slaves. Eventually,
 after being freed, they settled in enclaves, rather than risk the arduous
 trip back to their native lands.

 If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
 bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




 --
 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
 From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
 Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:19:57 +
 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Untold African history: Black Russians



 Dude, that Black Obama is a watermelon seller? I wonder if the irony of
 that is lost on a Russian?
 I remember many stories about blacks in Russia and the pain they suffer.
 Remember a few short years ago there was violence at a dorm where African
 students were staying while at university? That was linked to racism by
 white Russians against those students of color.

 I am still saddened and frankly, sometimes confused, at people of color
 going to places where they are even more in the minority. I get seeking out
 new and better opportunities. And I sure as hell get why Russia could have
 seemed more welcoming to people flying the horrors of Jim Crow America. But
 I have longed believed that it is important to be surrounded by people who
 look like you in addition to those who dont: it fosters a sense of belonging
 and comfort, it helps prevent one from feeling like some kind of oddity, and
 it can help shield from some of the more hostile barbs one might take. I
 have black friends here in America who have chosen to live in majority white
 areas, and they always end up with problems. I live in a very mixed
 community,and don't have those pressures at least.

 - Original Message -
 From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com
 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 1:34:03 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
 Subject: [scifinoir2] Untold African history: Black Russians



 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-adv/advertisers/russia/ 
 societyhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-adv/advertisers/russia/articles/society/
  Russia’s
 Black Community *Kevin O’Flynn*, Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty
  Image 1: “African-Russians activists demonstrate in a march against racism
 in the Volga city of Nizhy Novgorod”; Image 2: “Yelena Khanga (right)
 co-hosting a popular daytime TV show, The Domino Principle. She became one
 of Russia’s best-known celebrities;” Image 3: “Some African families have
 lived in Russia for several generations.”
  Society: African-Russians: Seeking their Place in an Often Hostile
 EnvironmentSociety: African-Russians: Seeking their Place in an Often
 Hostile Environment
 Russian reaction to President Barack Obama's visit seemed mixed, but he
 serves as inspiration to the country's little-known African-Russian
 community.
 For Russians of African descent, President Barack Obama offers a potent
 symbol of triumph over the same challenges they themselves face in a country
 where dark-skinned people remain rare and often unwelcome.
 Yelena Khanga is one of Russia’s best-known black citizens. The popular
 host of a top-rated 1990s chat show about sex – “Pro Eto,” (About That), she
 became one of the few black faces regularly seen on Russian television.
 Khanga’s grandparents came to the Soviet Union in the 1920s to escape the
 racism they had endured in the United States as a mixed-race couple. Today,
 Khanga says Obama’s election to the American presidency has special meaning
 for her.
 “He did what my grandmother and grandfather dreamed about in their day,”
 Khanga says. “They couldn’t even have dreamed that, one day, America would
 have a black president. The only dreams that they had—my grandmother was
 white, and my grandfather was black—was that Americans would someday allow
 mixed couples to live in peace, have children, and let the children have
 decent lives. That is what they dreamed about.”
 Khanga’s grandfather, Oliver Golden, became a member of the Communist Party
 in the United States after he failed to find work as anything but a waiter
 despite having a college degree. He soon left for the Soviet Union with his
 Polish-American wife, Bertha Bialek, in one of the groups of black Americans
 actively encouraged

RE: [scifinoir2] Untold African history: Black Russians

2010-02-19 Thread Martin Baxter

You're right, Mr Worf, and forgive me for not delivering all the facts.
  
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Re: [scifinoir2] Untold African history: Black Russians

2010-02-19 Thread Mr. Worf
I think another motivation for folks to leave the US at the time was the
lynchings that were going on. What I don't understand is why folks didn't go
to Canada.

On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Martin Baxter
truthseeker...@hotmail.comwrote:



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Re: [scifinoir2] Untold African history: Black Russians

2010-02-19 Thread Amy Harlib

ahar...@earthlink.net
All this is very fascinating.  
Amy
  Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Untold African history: Black Russians




  Not all of the Africans in Russia were there because of slavery. Pushkin's 
grand father was Ethiopian royalty and was a guest of the court. There are 
others as well during that time frame. 

  There were slaves there but not as many that were brought to Europe, Brazil, 
and America. 

  The former USSR is a mixture of a lot of different peoples. There are some 
people that resemble Arab, Asian Indian, Inuit, others Chinese, and other still 
a mixture of Caucasian and Asian. 


  On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com 
wrote:



Keith, in the case of Black Russians, they became Russian in much the same 
way we became American. If memory serves, Russian raiders, foraying out as far 
as north Africa, brought back Blacks and Arabs as slaves. Eventually, after 
being freed, they settled in enclaves, rather than risk the arduous trip back 
to their native lands.

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in 
bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik






To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:19:57 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Untold African history: Black Russians

  


Dude, that Black Obama is a watermelon seller? I wonder if the irony of 
that is lost on a Russian?
I remember many stories about blacks in Russia and the pain they suffer. 
Remember a few short years ago there was violence at a dorm where African 
students were staying while at university? That was linked to racism by white 
Russians against those students of color.

I am still saddened and frankly, sometimes confused, at people of color 
going to places where they are even more in the minority. I get seeking out new 
and better opportunities. And I sure as hell get why Russia could have seemed 
more welcoming to people flying the horrors of Jim Crow America. But I have 
longed believed that it is important to be surrounded by people who look like 
you in addition to those who dont: it fosters a sense of belonging and comfort, 
it helps prevent one from feeling like some kind of oddity, and it can help 
shield from some of the more hostile barbs one might take. I have black friends 
here in America who have chosen to live in majority white areas, and they 
always end up with problems. I live in a very mixed community,and don't have 
those pressures at least.

- Original Message -
From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 1:34:03 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] Untold African history: Black Russians

  



society
Russia’s Black Community
Kevin O’Flynn, Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty

 Image 1: “African-Russians activists demonstrate in a march against racism 
in the Volga city of Nizhy Novgorod”; Image 2: “Yelena Khanga (right) 
co-hosting a popular daytime TV show, The Domino Principle. She became one of 
Russia’s best-known celebrities;” Image 3: “Some African families have lived in 
Russia for several generations.”

Society: African-Russians: Seeking their Place in an Often Hostile 
Environment
Society: African-Russians: Seeking their Place in an Often Hostile 
Environment
Russian reaction to President Barack Obama's visit seemed mixed, but he 
serves as inspiration to the country's little-known African-Russian community.
For Russians of African descent, President Barack Obama offers a potent 
symbol of triumph over the same challenges they themselves face in a country 
where dark-skinned people remain rare and often unwelcome.
Yelena Khanga is one of Russia’s best-known black citizens. The popular 
host of a top-rated 1990s chat show about sex – “Pro Eto,” (About That), she 
became one of the few black faces regularly seen on Russian television.
Khanga’s grandparents came to the Soviet Union in the 1920s to escape the 
racism they had endured in the United States as a mixed-race couple. Today, 
Khanga says Obama’s election to the American presidency has special meaning for 
her.
“He did what my grandmother and grandfather dreamed about in their day,” 
Khanga says. “They couldn’t even have dreamed that, one day, America would have 
a black president. The only dreams that they had—my grandmother was white, and 
my grandfather was black—was that Americans would someday allow mixed couples 
to live in peace, have children, and let the children have decent lives. That 
is what they dreamed about.” 
Khanga’s grandfather, Oliver Golden, became a member of the Communist Party 
in the United States after he failed to find work as anything but a waiter 
despite having

Re: [scifinoir2] Untold African history: Black Russians

2010-02-19 Thread Mr. Worf
Maybe 1920s Canada didn't seem progressive enough for them? There was a lot
of intellectual growth during that period, but conservatism killed it in
this country.

There is a documentary on this called Black Russians by Kara Lynch, but it
is not available from Netflix.

(which is something that has been bugging me about them for a while now.)

On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Martin Baxter
truthseeker...@hotmail.comwrote:



 Neither do I. Been there a couple of times, and I love it.


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Re: [scifinoir2] Untold African history: Black Russians

2010-02-19 Thread Mr. Worf
It is something that I have been wanting to do a documentary on since the
1990s after hearing about a trip to Russia by Louie Armstrong in a
documentary.

There are so many untold stories about our people that we will never really
know them all.


On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Amy Harlib ahar...@earthlink.net wrote:

 



 ahar...@earthlink.net
 All this is very fascinating.
 Amy

 *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Untold African history: Black Russians

 Not all of the Africans in Russia were there because of slavery. Pushkin's
 grand father was Ethiopian royalty and was a guest of the court. There are
 others as well during that time frame.

 There were slaves there but not as many that were brought to Europe,
 Brazil, and America.

 The former USSR is a mixture of a lot of different peoples. There are some
 people that resemble Arab, Asian Indian, Inuit, others Chinese, and other
 still a mixture of Caucasian and Asian.

 On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Martin Baxter 
 truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote:



 Keith, in the case of Black Russians, they became Russian in much the same
 way we became American. If memory serves, Russian raiders, foraying out as
 far as north Africa, brought back Blacks and Arabs as slaves. Eventually,
 after being freed, they settled in enclaves, rather than risk the arduous
 trip back to their native lands.

 If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
 bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




 --
 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
 From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
 Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:19:57 +
 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Untold African history: Black Russians



 Dude, that Black Obama is a watermelon seller? I wonder if the irony of
 that is lost on a Russian?
 I remember many stories about blacks in Russia and the pain they suffer.
 Remember a few short years ago there was violence at a dorm where African
 students were staying while at university? That was linked to racism by
 white Russians against those students of color.

 I am still saddened and frankly, sometimes confused, at people of color
 going to places where they are even more in the minority. I get seeking out
 new and better opportunities. And I sure as hell get why Russia could have
 seemed more welcoming to people flying the horrors of Jim Crow America. But
 I have longed believed that it is important to be surrounded by people who
 look like you in addition to those who dont: it fosters a sense of belonging
 and comfort, it helps prevent one from feeling like some kind of oddity, and
 it can help shield from some of the more hostile barbs one might take. I
 have black friends here in America who have chosen to live in majority white
 areas, and they always end up with problems. I live in a very mixed
 community,and don't have those pressures at least.

 - Original Message -
 From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com
 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 1:34:03 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
 Subject: [scifinoir2] Untold African history: Black Russians



  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-adv/advertisers/russia/ 
 societyhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-adv/advertisers/russia/articles/society/
  Russia’s
 Black Community*Kevin O’Flynn*, Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty
  Image 1: “African-Russians activists demonstrate in a march against
 racism in the Volga city of Nizhy Novgorod”; Image 2: “Yelena Khanga (right)
 co-hosting a popular daytime TV show, The Domino Principle. She became one
 of Russia’s best-known celebrities;” Image 3: “Some African families have
 lived in Russia for several generations.”
  Society: African-Russians: Seeking their Place in an Often Hostile
 EnvironmentSociety: African-Russians: Seeking their Place in an Often
 Hostile Environment
 Russian reaction to President Barack Obama's visit seemed mixed, but he
 serves as inspiration to the country's little-known African-Russian
 community.
 For Russians of African descent, President Barack Obama offers a potent
 symbol of triumph over the same challenges they themselves face in a country
 where dark-skinned people remain rare and often unwelcome.
 Yelena Khanga is one of Russia’s best-known black citizens. The popular
 host of a top-rated 1990s chat show about sex – “Pro Eto,” (About That), she
 became one of the few black faces regularly seen on Russian television.
 Khanga’s grandparents came to the Soviet Union in the 1920s to escape the
 racism they had endured in the United States as a mixed-race couple. Today,
 Khanga says Obama’s election to the American presidency has special meaning
 for her.
 “He did what my grandmother and grandfather dreamed about in their day,”
 Khanga says. “They couldn’t even have dreamed that, one day, America would
 have a black president. The only dreams that they had—my grandmother was
 white, and my grandfather was black—was that Americans would

[scifinoir2] Untold African history: Black Russians

2010-02-18 Thread Mr. Worf
 
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Russia’s
Black Community

*Kevin O’Flynn*, Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty

Image 1: “African-Russians activists demonstrate in a march against racism
in the Volga city of Nizhy Novgorod”; Image 2: “Yelena Khanga (right)
co-hosting a popular daytime TV show, The Domino Principle. She became one
of Russia’s best-known celebrities;” Image 3: “Some African families have
lived in Russia for several generations.”
 Society: African-Russians: Seeking their Place in an Often Hostile
Environment

Society: African-Russians: Seeking their Place in an Often Hostile
Environment

Russian reaction to President Barack Obama's visit seemed mixed, but he
serves as inspiration to the country's little-known African-Russian
community.

For Russians of African descent, President Barack Obama offers a potent
symbol of triumph over the same challenges they themselves face in a country
where dark-skinned people remain rare and often unwelcome.

Yelena Khanga is one of Russia’s best-known black citizens. The popular host
of a top-rated 1990s chat show about sex – “Pro Eto,” (About That), she
became one of the few black faces regularly seen on Russian television.

Khanga’s grandparents came to the Soviet Union in the 1920s to escape the
racism they had endured in the United States as a mixed-race couple. Today,
Khanga says Obama’s election to the American presidency has special meaning
for her.

“He did what my grandmother and grandfather dreamed about in their day,”
Khanga says. “They couldn’t even have dreamed that, one day, America would
have a black president. The only dreams that they had—my grandmother was
white, and my grandfather was black—was that Americans would someday allow
mixed couples to live in peace, have children, and let the children have
decent lives. That is what they dreamed about.”

Khanga’s grandfather, Oliver Golden, became a member of the Communist Party
in the United States after he failed to find work as anything but a waiter
despite having a college degree. He soon left for the Soviet Union with his
Polish-American wife, Bertha Bialek, in one of the groups of black Americans
actively encouraged by Bolshevik leaders to pull up stakes in their
capitalist homeland and help build a new society in the U.S.S.R.

Golden traveled to Uzbekistan to work on cotton cultivation. He and his wife
soon gave birth to a daughter named Lily, Khanga’s mother.

Khanga says her grandparents worked hard to show Lily — who went on to marry
Abdullah Khanga, a political leader from Zanzibar whom she met in Moscow —
that she was free to achieve whatever she wanted.

“The Obama campaign said, ‘Yes we can.’ My grandmother and grandfather said
the same thing to my mother: ‘Yes, you can. You can do it,’” Khanga says.
“And my mother was the best pupil in school, she graduated with a gold
medal She was practically the first black person to study at MGU [Moscow
State University] in the Soviet Union. She played tennis; it was the dream
of my grandfather that she, a black girl, play tennis. She was the champion
of Uzbekistan.”

The most famous African-Russian is legendary poet Alexander Pushkin, who was
the great-grandson of an African brought to St. Petersburg under Peter the
Great in the early 18th century. During the Soviet era, African students
were actively encouraged to travel to the Soviet Union for their educations,
leading to a number of mixed marriages and African-Russian offspring.

But black skin remains extremely rare in Russia. One estimate says that
there are between 40,000 and 70,000 Russians of full or mixed-African
heritage.

That distinction has singled many black Russians out for treatment that they
say swings between curiosity, at best, and open hostility, at worst.

Grigory Siyatinda, an actor at the Sovremennik Theater in Moscow, grew up as
the only black man in his hometown of Tyumen in the 1970s. His experience
was that of an object of fascination in an isolated Soviet society where
foreigners, and especially black foreigners, were exotic.

“How to put it? It wasn’t racism, what I experienced during my childhood in
Tyumen,” Siyatinda says. “I was the only black person in Tyumen—Tyumen is a
Siberian city and there were no black-skinned people at all. ...That’s why
there was simply this heightened curiosity toward me. It was heightened so
much at times that it crossed over the borders of tact.”

Racism, long officially denied under the communist regime, is a reality in
modern-day Russia, where nationalist groups and xenophobia are on the rise.

Russia’s Sova center, which tracks issues related to race and ethnicity,
reports that 97 people were killed in racist attacks in 2008. Statistically,
Central Asian migrants have become the primary victims of attacks in recent
years. But African-Russians and African students remain constant targets as
well.

Still, Khanga—whose