Re: [silk] Miss India..NOT representative of her country
On 01-Feb-07, at 1:24 PM, Ingrid wrote: personally, i think bollywood and fairness creams exacerbate ''the fair is lovely'' bias far more than beauty pageants do. not that we needed any help in that direction given age-old indian cultural biases. Aren't they merely capitalising on an existing cultural bias? -- Kiran Jonnalagadda http://jace.seacrow.com/
[silk] The HBR List: Breakthrough Ideas for 2007
The _Harvard Business Review_'s take on emerging ideas that will affect business this year. More detail on each item at the URL. Udhay http://harvardbusinessonline.hbsp.harvard.edu/hbrsa/en/issue/0702/article/R0702A.jhtml The HBR List Breakthrough Ideas for 2007 Our annual survey of emerging ideas considers how nanotechnology will affect commerce, what role hope plays in leadership, and why, in an age that practically enshrines accountability, we need to beware of accountabalism. 1. The Accidental Influentials * Duncan J. Watts In his best seller The Tipping Point, Malcolm Gladwell argues that social epidemics are driven in large part by the actions of a tiny minority of special individuals. The idea seems intuitively rightwe think we see it happening all the time. Nevertheless, this isnt actually how ideas spread. Its better to focus on getting enough plain, ordinary people to sign on. 2. Entrepreneurial Japan Yoshito Hori Japans economic rebound is generally attributed to the turnaround of corporate giants and to industry consolidation. But it is also fueled by the emergence of new companies led by entrepreneurs in their twenties and thirties. An entrepreneurial Japanno longer an oxymoronmay ultimately overshadow the much touted start-up cultures of China and India. 3. Brand Magic: Harry Potter Marketing Frédéric Dalsace, Coralie Damay, and David Dubois Most brands target a specific age group. The big problem with this approach is that it positively discourages customer loyaltyand, as we all know, its a lot cheaper to keep customers than to find new ones. To get around this problem, companies should consider creating brands that mature with their customers. 4. Algorithms in the Attic Michael Schrage For a powerful perspective on future business, take a hard look at mathematics past: the old equations collecting dust on academics shelves. Just as big firms need the keen eye of an intellectual property curator to appreciate the value of old patents and know-how, they will need savvy mathematicians to resurrect long-forgotten equations that, because of advancing technology, can finally be applied to business. 5. The Leader from Hope Harry Hutson and Barbara Perry Most business leaders shy away from the word hope. Yet hope has been shown to be the key ingredient of resilience in survivors of traumas ranging from prison camps to natural disasters. So if you are an executive trying to lead an organization through change, know that hope can be a potent force in your favor. And its yours to give. 6. An Emerging Hotbed of User-Centered Innovation * Eric von Hippel Most countries, developing and developed alike, view innovation as a vital input to their economic growth and spend varying portions of their national budgets to support it in companies and research labs, for the ultimate benefit of essentially passive consumers. Denmark is taking a different tack: Its making user-centered innovation a national priority. 7. Living with Continuous Partial Attention Linda Stone Continuous partial attentiondistinct from multitaskingis an adaptive behavior that presumably allows us to keep pace with the never-ending bandwidth technology offers. Now there are signs of a backlash against the tyranny of tantalizing choices. 8. Borrowing from the PE Playbook Michael C. Mankins Company coffers are overflowing these days, and inevitably executives are turning to the MA markets in their quest to put the cash to good use. If theyre to avoid repeating the disappointments of previous MA waves, they will have to take a few leaves from the acquisition playbook of private equity firms. 9. When to Sleep on It Ap Dijksterhuis Use your conscious mind to acquire all the information you need to arrive at a difficult decision, but dont try to analyze it. Instead, go on holiday and let your unconscious mind digest the information for a day or two. Whatever your intuition then tells you is almost certainly going to be the best choice. 10. Here Comes XBRL Robert G. Eccles, Liv Watson, and Mike Willis A new software standard for financial and business reporting, soon to be adopted by the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, will make it dramatically easier to generate, validate, aggregate, and analyze business and financial informationwhich in turn will improve the quality of the information companies use to make decisions. 11. Innovation and Growth: Size Matters * Geoffrey B. West Newfound general mathematical relationships between population size, innovation, and wealth creation challenge the conventional wisdom that smaller innovation functions are more inventive. They may explain why few organizations today have matched the creativity of a giant like Bell Labs in its heyday. 12. Conflicted Consumers Karen Fraser Your customer data indicate strong consumer
Re: [silk] Miss India..NOT representative of her country
On Thursday 01 Feb 2007 9:28 am, Thaths wrote: On 1/31/07, Carey Lening [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've posted! And I still believe I've a woman, at least anatomically. We're not all lurkers. I apologize. For some reason I only read the beginning of your name and thought you were Casey, another silklister I met last year. Thaths Hah this has got to be some kind of dyslexia. Welcome to the club shiv
Re: [silk] Miss India..NOT representative of her country
further enhance her unIndianness by thoroughly making her over See that's my problem. By claiming that there is something that is unIndian - (that is, something that negates the concept), people assert that there is something Indian in the first place. So those of us who are not lanky, lovely or lassy enough to be unIndian in a good way will become unIndian in a bad way. Why exactly again is someone who is 5 feet 7 inches not representative of India? So my beloved cousin who has an Irish grandfather (that imperialist rascal) who is fairer than the Queen's Bum, and is about 6 inches taller than me - is suddenly not Indian enough? Frankly, I want to shove high quality eclairs down Miss India throats. Even as I convince myself that these people are not born underweight, and that media definitions of beauty (etc etc blah blah semiotics, biology, feminism, mushroom etc etc blah blah) - one becomes acutely conscious of the freckles and podgy parts. Of course it's emotionally draining to behold picture after picture of living Barbies, with their shiny hair and white teeth. Their neutral accents and lofty virtues. But to hold their choice to be that thin or that perfect against them is as bad as holding someone's fat against them. Some people train to be chess grandmasters, and others - beauty queens. As for women being lurkers. Kindly think in terms of percentage of women and men being lurkers. Not absolutely numbers. I used to love Thursdays. -- Neha Viswanathan +44(0) 77695 65886 London, UK http://withinandwithout.com | http://globalvoicesonline.org
Re: [silk] Miss India..NOT representative of her country
Neha Viswanathan wrote [at 02:46 PM 2/1/2007] : I used to love Thursdays. Like Arthur Dent? Udhay -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))
Re: [silk] dear lazyweb,
On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 09:00:32AM +0530, Sthitaprajna wrote: Build a desktop application, like Microsoft Money, or Quicken. These allow you to login to your preferred bank(mostly US based), and fetch your latest account details. If you want to initiate a transaction from the desktop, Unfortunately, what I had in mind hooks directly into what banks already offer (HBCI/FinTS/etc), which limits this to accounts I hold personally/have power of attorney (?) over. they open up the bank's secure transaction page in the browser. People are generally paranoid about sharing their bank/brokerage/finance information on the internet, so building a website would not make a lot of sense. A desktop product gives a perception of control. You do have web-based interfaces like Yodlee.com though. The common programs like Quicken already use the API I mentioned. My other idea was bundling this with web shops, or use it as a component for a poor man's SAP. One of the ideas I had is to tag each transaction with UIDs like 44c1725b6b30 allowing one to recognize required transactions. Something in beta, and open source - dimdim.com Not sure if it fits your bill. Thanks, I'll check it out. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [silk] Miss India..NOT representative of her country
Like Arthur Dent? You miserable Geek. :) As for Kiran's comment on the market cashing in on an existing cultural bias - I couldn't agree more. I get annoyed when (Fair and Lovely) FL is blamed. Or when someone with a cloying sense of virtue tells me My maid would rather buy FL for 26 rupees instead of buying a 16 eggs and feeding her kids. . The market doesn't have to have a conscience. Besides who am I to make assumptions of intellectual superiority. If someone prefers their own skin to be light as opposed to dark - it's their choice. Yes, it does tell me a lot about their own probable bias - but well we all have our little battles. But more than fairness - I think it's the industry that thrives on thin-ness that's doing well. In parts of a very very niche market, while colour still is a parameter, clarity of skin (pimpleless, freckleless, hairess, wartless, moleless, ageless) is a big issue. And yes, when I see eight year girls vomiting their dinner out because they don't want to get fat - it makes me want to weep. -- Neha Viswanathan +44(0) 77695 65886 London, UK http://withinandwithout.com | http://globalvoicesonline.org
Re: [silk] Charles Haynes introduction
So I've tried MTR, Dakshin, Sahib Sindh Sultan, Sikander, and Nandhini Paradise. I know I have to visit Shiok. Any other recommendations? I eat anything, I thought the Andhara food at Nandhini was nicely hot but I prefer hotter... Who has favorite places to recommend to the newbie? Coconut Grove on Church Street, Gongura on Airport Road, Shanti Sagar on CMH Road and also Domlur for their wonderful medu wadas and coffee. Also, I reluctantly add Karthik on CMH road for chat and bhel. I say reluctantly because, being from Bombay, chat and bhel taste weird in other geographies but one still gobbles them down to pacify the craving for these addictive mixtures. Also, there was this place called Cool Joint (I think it is near where Udhay lives) where I enjoyed a very satisfying meal of a soup (Rs 5) and a sandwich (Rs 15). For a grand total of Rs 20, that was unbeatable! Venky
Re: [silk] Miss India..NOT representative of her country
i laughed three thrice when i read that :-) On 2/1/07, Neha Viswanathan wrote: So those of us who are not lanky, lovely or lassy enough to be unIndian in a good way will become unIndian in a bad way. here (and in many parts of africa) fatness is a kind of Africanness. i have met some men who told me they didnt consider a particular woman pretty because she wasnt african enough (read fat). Social conditioning at work. If you met someone after a long time, they might compliment you for putting on a few kgs... I have seen more than one person (generally from europe, and generally a woman) take that very negatively as a put-down rather than as a compliment!
Re: [silk] Admin note
Hi Udhay, I am curious can u give me a bit more details on DDOS incident :-) regards Anish On 2/1/07, Udhay Shankar N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Biju Chacko wrote: [ on 01:19 PM 1/31/2007 ] For some odd reason, this didn't turn up the regular way Silk was down for half a day yesterday, apparently due to a DDoS on the box that runs it. Back now. Udhay -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))
Re: [silk] My intro
Hi Shyam, welcome, btw are u the shyam from JIPMER who was on aduni ? regards Anish On 1/30/07, Shyam Visweswaran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, Should have posted this sometime back. Now seeing the recent intros I better do so. My name is Shyam and my only connection with Bangalore is that my Dad was brought up there and I visited Bangalore and Mysore decades ago when both were sleepy Malgudi-like towns. I have puttered around in several disciplines including medicine, biophysics, and machine learning. Currently I am in Pittsburgh dividing my time between neurology and machine learning. I maintain an alumni website - Jipmer Net - for my med school in India which is now more than 12 years old now. It is through that website I met the inimitable Shiv who is a regular here at silklist. - Shyam Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html
Re: [silk] Miss India..NOT representative of her country
On 2/1/07, Neha Viswanathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The market doesn't have to have a conscience. why not? -- The future is here; it's just not widely distributed yet. - William Gibson
Re: [silk] Miss India..NOT representative of her country
why not? Because the questions of good and bad are always subjective. As long as they don't violate anyone's rights - they are only exercising their right to make a profit. -- Neha Viswanathan +44(0) 77695 65886 London, UK http://withinandwithout.com | http://globalvoicesonline.org
Re: [silk] Miss India..NOT representative of her country
On 01/02/07, Neha Viswanathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why not? Because the questions of good and bad are always subjective. As long as they don't violate anyone's rights - they are only exercising their right to make a profit. Well put. -- b
[silk] yahoogroups is eating itself
Yahoogroups is having big problems. I'm about to jump ship on them -- this time for real, if they don't fix it. What Yahoogroups does is to act as a spam and malware conduit, and flagging account bounces (because the email account owners rightfully deny malware and spam delivery) as inactive. Yes, one can reactivate the account, provided 1) one knows one has a problem 2) one cares enough to jump through lots of pointless hoops to do so. This is mindbogglingly stupid, and I wish I could tell them that. But no one with a single brainwave apparently reads abuse@ and postmaster@ I'd really hate to learn mailman (apt-get install mailman is easy enough, but afterwards), but apparently this is what I have to do. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [silk] yahoogroups is eating itself
At 06:20 PM 2/1/2007, Eugen Leitl wrote: Yahoogroups is having big problems. I'm about to jump ship on them -- this time for real, if they don't fix it. I'm not sure that Yahoo actually knows what it wants to do with Yahoogroups. I had this impression even when I was actually working (collaborating) with the team that ran it. I'd really hate to learn mailman (apt-get install mailman is easy enough, but afterwards), but apparently this is what I have to do. What's the problem with mailman? I've run lists with smartlist, ezmlm, sympa, lyris, listcaster, majordomo, mailman and a few anonymous others, and mailman seems to be not very different fron any of the others on the list. Except smartlist. I still have nightmares about it. Udhay -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))
Re: [silk] Miss India..NOT representative of her country
On 1/31/07, Biju Chacko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, you have to admit that Carey is one of those unisex names like Jean or Madhu. :) Or Casey. The journal where I'm an editorial assistant I frequently am emailed as Ms. O'Donnell. I don't mind. I do feel a bit bad about the day I meet people at a conference though. When I was applying to graduate schools and went for my visit to MIT they were fully prepared for a woman. The long hair at the time didn't help matters much. Casey
Re: [silk] yahoogroups is eating itself
On 01/02/07, Udhay Shankar N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the problem with mailman? I've run lists with smartlist, ezmlm, sympa, lyris, listcaster, majordomo, mailman and a few anonymous others, and mailman seems to be not very different fron any of the others on the list. Except smartlist. I still have nightmares about it. The thing I hate most about mailman is that it has a very poor mail interface. You have to do everything through it's web interface. -- b
Re: [silk] yahoogroups is eating itself
On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 06:46:54PM +0530, Udhay Shankar N wrote: What's the problem with mailman? I've run lists with smartlist, I think I'm just mailman-'tarded. Could never get it to work with postfix, but then, I never tried long enough. Once it runs, it does reasonably okay. Btw -- anyone here is making a modest living from AdSense-varnished mailing list archives, and the like? I figure I need about 3-4 EUR/day to cover my costs (traffic/electricity), which sounds doable. xent had, how much? $60/day revenue, IIRC? That appears a lot from just a mailing list archive. I have about 30-40 GByte of content indexed by Google Co. I don't know how much hits they get, though. Need to go look at the logs. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE signature.asc Description: Digital signature
[silk] Offline Wikipedia...
...but only in French, for the moment http://www.moulinwiki.org/ Basically, moulin is a fully interactive, offline version of the entire Wikipedia (without pictures) on a CD. The initial French version consists of the entire French Wikipedia: 404,903 articles all fitting on an ISO 554MBs big.
Re: [silk] yahoogroups is eating itself
On 01/02/07 15:12 +0100, Eugen Leitl wrote: On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 06:46:54PM +0530, Udhay Shankar N wrote: What's the problem with mailman? I've run lists with smartlist, I think I'm just mailman-'tarded. Could never get it to work with postfix, but then, I never tried long enough. Errr, you just need to add an alias_maps entry. If you are using virtual_mumble_domains, you need to use virtual_alias_maps to alias that to an internal alias at a domain in mydestination. Alternatively, you could use transport_maps to route mail to mailman with a suitably newer version of Postfix. Devdas Bhagat
Re: [silk] Offline Wikipedia...
On 2/1/07, ashok _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.moulinwiki.org/ Basically, moulin is a fully interactive, offline version of the entire Wikipedia (without pictures) on a CD. The initial French version consists of the entire French Wikipedia: 404,903 articles all fitting on an ISO 554MBs big. When I asked Jimmy Wales about the possibility of an offline edition of Wikipedia for parts of the world which do not yet have good access to the internet he mentioned that a German company was bringing out a DVD of the German wikipedia. He also mentioned that the license of the content does not prohibit any publisher from putting out an offline copy and the reason why there were few such publications was the fear of a publisher being sued for libel. Thaths -- Homer: He has all the money in the world, but there's one thing he can't buy. Marge: What's that? Homer: (pause) A dinosaur. -- Homer J. Simpson Sudhakar ChandraSlacker Without Borders
Re: [silk] Offline Wikipedia...
On 2/1/07, ashok _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...but only in French, for the moment http://www.moulinwiki.org/ Basically, moulin is a fully interactive, offline version of the entire Wikipedia (without pictures) on a CD. The initial French version consists of the entire French Wikipedia: 404,903 articles all fitting on an ISO 554MBs big. I think it was already done before[1] by Webaroo[2] (a startup by Rakesh Mathur of Junglee fame). -- Vinayak References: 1. http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/index.cfm?newsid=7348 2. http://www.webaroo.com/category/wiki2go_9
Re: [silk] Charles Haynes introduction + Veena Stores
Biju Chacko wrote: easy to miss. The food there tends to finish quickly, so before 9am or between 4pm and 6pm are the best times to go. This seems to have changed... The last time I ate there was around 11am on a weekday and the idlis were still piping hot. Another great place for Idlis used to be SLV across from BMS College of Bull Temple road. I understand that they are now not so good. Ahh... those Sonata days were good... their chutney was eminently drinkable. ;-) Venkat
Re: [silk] yahoogroups is eating itself
On 2/1/07, Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yahoogroups is having big problems. I'm about to jump ship on them -- this time for real, if they don't fix it. snip I'd really hate to learn mailman (apt-get install mailman is easy enough, but afterwards), but apparently this is what I have to do. Have you considered Google groups? Also, if you buy your hosting space from laughing squid or dreamhost, they have a nice, simple UI over mailman that you can use to create and manage your lists. Thaths PS: Speaking for myself, not my employer, blah blah blah -- Homer: He has all the money in the world, but there's one thing he can't buy. Marge: What's that? Homer: (pause) A dinosaur. -- Homer J. Simpson Sudhakar ChandraSlacker Without Borders
Re: [silk] yahoogroups is eating itself
Thaths wrote: On 2/1/07, Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yahoogroups is having big problems. I'm about to jump ship on them -- this time for real, if they don't fix it. snip I'd really hate to learn mailman (apt-get install mailman is easy enough, but afterwards), but apparently this is what I have to do. Have you considered Google groups? Also, if you buy your hosting Google groups doesn't offer many of the features that Y! groups offers. Pictures, for one...
Re: [silk] yahoogroups is eating itself
On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 06:25:41AM -0800, Thaths wrote: I'd really hate to learn mailman (apt-get install mailman is easy enough, but afterwards), but apparently this is what I have to do. Have you considered Google groups? Also, if you buy your hosting space No, because I want to keep control over my stuff. At worst I'd consider S3/EC2 (my stuff is cheaper, though), or renting root servers instead of using your own (not that I've seen those come with IPMI 2.0 preconfigured, and having your own firewall and private GBit LAN with jumbo frames can't be underestimated). from laughing squid or dreamhost, they have a nice, simple UI over mailman that you can use to create and manage your lists. I prefer to roll my own infrastructure, hardware included. Being your own ISP and tech support as well as chief architect has very real advantages. Now if only I was a better developer, the sky would be the limit. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [silk] yahoogroups is eating itself
On 2/1/07, Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 06:25:41AM -0800, Thaths wrote: Have you considered Google groups? Also, if you buy your hosting space No, because I want to keep control over my stuff. With due respect, are you not currently running your mailing lists off of Yahoo groups? What sort of a control over your own stuff does Yahoo groups give you? I prefer to roll my own infrastructure, hardware included. Being your own ISP and tech support as well as chief architect has very real advantages. Now if only I was a better developer, the sky would be the limit. In my experience running mailing lists on majordomo, mailman and ezmlm, mailman seems to the most actively developed. Thaths -- Homer: He has all the money in the world, but there's one thing he can't buy. Marge: What's that? Homer: (pause) A dinosaur. -- Homer J. Simpson Sudhakar ChandraSlacker Without Borders
Re: [silk] yahoogroups is eating itself
On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 09:13:53AM -0800, Thaths wrote: With due respect, are you not currently running your mailing lists off This is precisely my predilection, and the reason why I've learned to never rely on other people, especially on what other people give you for free. Oh, and it's list, not lists. of Yahoo groups? What sort of a control over your own stuff does Yahoo groups give you? Very little, which is precisely the reason I've been wanting to get away from them even before I migrated to egroups from planetx, long time ago, in a galaxy far away. In my experience running mailing lists on majordomo, mailman and ezmlm, mailman seems to the most actively developed. Yes, there's really no major alternative to Mailman as far as I can see. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [silk] yahoogroups is eating itself
On 01/02/07, Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ezmlm, mailman seems to the most actively developed. Yes, there's really no major alternative to Mailman as far as I can see. There's couriermlm, which doesn't have a web interface - relies solely on email-based administration. Quite actively developed too. Binand
Re: [silk] Miss India..NOT representative of her country
OK, self-confessed male lurker speaks... Udhay I hope you were sitting down when you read this... At least call centre employees are consciously made to sound like someone from another country, as opposed to being a representative of his/her own... TBH, I tend to agree that the article could be renamed Miss [insert country]... NOT representative of her country, beauty pageants are not representative, fullstop. I don't disgree with your point - this is what some people want and good for them... I just think the analogy is not quite appropriate. Udhay Shankar N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frankly, this doesn't seem very different (to me) from providing accent training to a call centre employee. From all accounts, the women who enter these competitions view the training they receive as an important career step. Udhay -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com)) - 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.
Re: [silk] Miss India..NOT representative of her country
Ah, but they only make a profit because we, the consumers, let them, so in that sense, we are the conscience... An example that I can relate to is the classic MGB sports car - in 1974 they changed from having chrome bumpers to rubber bumpers with a higher ride height in the name of safety. This was done, not because Leyland had sprouted a conscience, but because US safety regulations required of it, and the regulations came about because the people were demanding safer cars, even if it completely destroyed the car both from a handling and performance perspective and arguably led to its, as well as MG's downfall. Granted it's not always that easy, but if the will is there, it'll get there. Neha Viswanathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why not? Because the questions of good and bad are always subjective. As long as they don't violate anyone's rights - they are only exercising their right to make a profit. -- Neha Viswanathan +44(0) 77695 65886 London, UK http://withinandwithout.com | http://globalvoicesonline.org - Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.
Re: [silk] Miss India..NOT representative of her country
On 2/1/07, Neha Viswanathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, the word conscience continues to bother me. So does the word Spiderman. :) Not that anyone would really want to anyway, but best not read my dissertation. I've been working some folks working on a game that might be related to that later word. Now if only I can convince Activision/Marvel to let me use it. Casey
Re: [silk] Miss India..NOT representative of her country
i'm curious. is there any other human institution that is licensed to be sociopathic? On 2/2/07, Neha Viswanathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still, the seller doesn't have a conscience on his or her own. Only the astuteness to perceive the consumer's conscience. -- The future is here; it's just not widely distributed yet. - William Gibson
Re: [silk] Miss India..NOT representative of her country
i'm curious. is there any other human institution that is licensed to be sociopathic? I believe most governments aren't licensed to be so - which explains the mess in the world. :) -- Neha Viswanathan +44(0) 77695 65886 London, UK http://withinandwithout.com | http://globalvoicesonline.org
Re: [silk] My intro
Hi Anish, Yup. I was in aduni's one and only graduating class. Aduni's experiment was to teach core undergraduate CS material in 11 months to folks who already had an advanced degree in a completely unrelated field. The class consisted of a motley crowd of lawyers, teachers, anthropologists, etc. About half the class managed to complete the entire 11 months straight through. Aduni was a bootcamp experience; it was intense 6 and half day a week affair and I don't remember going out to a movie or dienner or anywhere even once dutring that year. It was like a year long ICU rotation in the hospital. Shyam --- Anish Mohammed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Shyam, welcome, btw are u the shyam from JIPMER who was on aduni ? regards Anish Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com
Re: [silk] My intro
--- Anish Mohammed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have come across that sentiment in India but not in the US. From my experience Indians are not alone it does exist in Europe, I could vouch for atleast two or more European countries. Do these European education systems allow one to go directly into medicine from school i.e. medicine can be pursued as a Bachelor's? Possibly related to the perception in India that if you are good in biology you go into medicine and if you are good in math you go into engineering and the two are mutually exclusive. In the US most people entering medical school have already done a Bachelors sometimes in engineering, economics, mathematics or another medically unrelated field. BTW please don't infer the reverse is true, try applying for a Phd program in maths with a degree in medicine. regards True. Though one of my MBBS classmates did a PhD in applied math in Oxford. By the time he applied he had already completed a BSc correspondence course in math which helped him greatly. BTW, Anish are you a medico too? I should probably just ask Google God but I am too lazy to do that just now. shyam 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news
Re: [silk] Miss India..NOT representative of her country
On 02/02/07, Neha Viswanathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, the word conscience continues to bother me. So does the word Spiderman. :) With a great vocabulary comes great responsibility to be nit-picky. :) Personally, I've always thought that 'conscience' ought to mean the study of defrauding techniques but, hey, who ever said English made sense? -- b
Re: [silk] Miss India..NOT representative of her country
Isn't this now the standard Corporate Social Responsibility argument? As to whether it's all eyewash or a profit maximizing exercise or noble intentions for the greater common good? There's an interesting Economist article [1] on how corporations are essentially psychopaths as also a documentary [2] which said article reviews. [1] http://www.economist.com/PrinterFriendly.cfm?story_id=2647328 (It's behind a subscription wall now. I have the full text, if someone would like to read it.) [2] http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0379225/ On 2/1/07, Calvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, but they only make a profit because we, the consumers, let them, so in that sense, we are the conscience... An example that I can relate to is the classic MGB sports car - in 1974 they changed from having chrome bumpers to rubber bumpers with a higher ride height in the name of safety. This was done, not because Leyland had sprouted a conscience, but because US safety regulations required of it, and the regulations came about because the people were demanding safer cars, even if it completely destroyed the car both from a handling and performance perspective and arguably led to its, as well as MG's downfall. Granted it's not always that easy, but if the will is there, it'll get there. Neha Viswanathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why not? Because the questions of good and bad are always subjective. As long as they don't violate anyone's rights - they are only exercising their right to make a profit. -- Neha Viswanathan +44(0) 77695 65886 London, UK http://withinandwithout.com | http://globalvoicesonline.org - Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.
Re: [silk] Charles Haynes introduction + Veena Stores
Near BMS.. Kamat Bugle Rock serving jolada rotti meals, on the roof top with the local traditional musicians signing up for playing Each day of the week has a theme.. Sometimes it drizzles and sometimes there are flowers falling off the tall trees next door onto the open center between musicians and the tables Khamat: one can just go there to pull up a chair and listen too. On 2/1/07, Venkat Mangudi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Biju Chacko wrote: easy to miss. The food there tends to finish quickly, so before 9am or between 4pm and 6pm are the best times to go. This seems to have changed... The last time I ate there was around 11am on a weekday and the idlis were still piping hot. Another great place for Idlis used to be SLV across from BMS College of Bull Temple road. I understand that they are now not so good. Ahh... those Sonata days were good... their chutney was eminently drinkable. ;-) Venkat -- Dinesh, http://pantoto.com, +9180 26762963
Re: [silk] Miss India..NOT representative of her country
On 02/02/07, Ingrid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If corporate entities enjoy the rights and protections of citizens they can and should, IMO, carry commensurate responsibility. Oh, I agree with you. What I was trying to say is that with individuals appealing to their consciences has some chance of success -- for example, make me feel guilty enough and I'll buy CRY cards. :) Heck, I may just buy 'em because I think it's the right thing to do. However, for corporates it takes external forces to make responsible behavior the best way to make a profit. The same forces which you mention below. I don't see why anyone would expect otherwise. The market repeatedy demonstrates its inability and/or unwillingness to self-regulate, however. So legislation, and/or market mechanisms that ensure corporates pay the full price of their costs to society and the planet, may well be the only ways to ensure corporates do not, in fact, have untrammeled rights to sociopathic behaviour. Corporates are collections of individuals, each presumably capable of responsible, if not altruistic behaviour. Why should the standards applied be lower when we're acting collectively in pursuit of profit compared to the benchmarks for individual behaviour or that of human collectives whose goals are not just profit? A corporation is nothing but a machine to make profit -- why would you expect it to be otherwise. Expecting a corporation to do anything which does not directly or indirectly earn them a profit is as silly as me telling the next charity that asks me for a donation to engage in commerce and earn money for it's activities. That's not the purpose of a charity -- it'd do that only out of sheer necessity if it couldn't raise funds elsewhere. The point is not that corporations are exempt from good behavior -- it's that *all* institutions will attempt to fulfill their own purposes. If you want them to do something else, you have to force it to become part of their purpose. Don't mistake anything other than a human for a human -- especially a collection of humans. -- b
Re: [silk] My intro
On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 02:04:56PM -, Shyam Visweswaran wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Srini RamaKrishnan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Welcome to Silk, I am an ex-burgh, ex-bangalore, now in HYD person. Where do you spend your day? At school? Work? Ah ex-burgher! I am in school at Univ of Pitt: till recently as a grad student and now as a faculty in informatics and medicine. Neat, I was at school at CMU as a grad student. It's probably one of the nicest cities I've lived in. Cheeni
Re: [silk] Miss India..NOT representative of her country
Neha Viswanathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Still, the seller doesn't have a conscience on his or her own. Only the astuteness to perceive the consumer's conscience. Of course, the word conscience continues to bother me. So does the word Spiderman. :) -- Neha Viswanathan +44(0) 77695 65886 London, UK http://withinandwithout.com | http://globalvoicesonline.org Fair enough... but it does suggest that the market's not without some form of conscience on the demand side. - Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users.
Re: [silk] Charles Haynes introduction
On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 09:47:28PM +0530, Udhay Shankar N wrote: [...] Will think of more by and by. I am surprised that Udhay hasn't mentioned Fanoos so far, I remember it being a favorite of his. I can't add a surprise location, other than second what everyone else has mentioned so far. The Iyer mess in Malleshwaram isn't all that great IMO, there are better places in Chennai - however, that said it is not an experience commonly found in Bangalore. If no one has mentioned North Karnataka food thus far (sorry I've been away from email, and on a very limited connection right now, not adequate even for SSH + mutt) you should try Nisarga in Rajajinagar which has the standard Jawar roti + channa combination. I'm sure there are better locations that serve the same food, I know of one near Majestic, the name escapes me. Cheeni
Re: [silk] Miss India..NOT representative of her country
An aggregate of human judgment is not the same as one human making a choice. I perfectly understand how one human being can be altruistic. For their own selfish reasons or otherwise. Through our actions, we hope to achieve what we think we are capable of. You cannot take the self out of any action. But collective conscience bothers me - because when they beat up somebody because their conscience pricks them, they also collectively hand out punishment. My expectations from organisations, mob etc - is that they not violate another's right. It is apparently good in my community to marry another Tam Brahm. Apparently their conscience demands that the bloodlines be kept pure and incestuous. But in that minute that they stop someone from the community from marrying who they want to - they violate. The standards for corporations, organisations aren't lower - they're actually stricter. Because they shouldn't hide behind ambiguous banners of good and bad. A framework of rights to judge their actions makes a little more sense to me than people (probably with differing values) judging the inherent value of an action. You can appeal to the conscience of individuals - and hope that some of these individuals are powerful or forceful or articulate enough to influence entire organisations. And the organisation may then react in a conscientious manner. But it doesn't meant it has a conscience. -- Neha Viswanathan +44(0) 77695 65886 London, UK http://withinandwithout.com | http://globalvoicesonline.org
Re: [silk] Charles Haynes introduction
Yes, but their 'bonda rasam' is superb. Adit. On 2/1/07, Biju Chacko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 31/01/07, Badri Natarajan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I liked the authenticity of Kadambam - some of the dishes and atmosphere really did feel like homecooked south Indian food. Branch in Malleshwaram where we normally went plus one in Barton Centre off MG Road which I'm not too familiar with. Perhaps you mean Manipal Centre? I was never too impressed by that one, It always seemed like just another Darshini. -- b -- ...But always remember that irritation is what allows oysters to create pearls. Thank goodness for oysters because ulcers make crappy necklaces [Scott Adams]
Re: [silk] Charles Haynes introduction
Pity! A. On 2/2/07, Biju Chacko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Toms: I was told that was good, but when I visited it, it had the standard menu of a low end multi-cuisine restaurant.
Re: [silk] Charles Haynes introduction
Biju Chacko wrote [at 12:59 PM 2/2/2007] : Toms: I was told that was good, but when I visited it, it had the standard menu of a low end multi-cuisine restaurant. Tom's has undergone at least 2 changes of management, and kitchen staff, since the time Adit is talking about. It is not a place I'd recommend today. Udhay -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))
