[silk] Mobs on the rampage
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Editorial/Mobs_on_the_rampage/articleshow/2337938.cms
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I don't know why CP invokes a vengefully consumerist society for what is a failure of the rule of law. For what it's worth, I'd also written on the subject a while back: http://indiauncut.com/iublog/article/mobs-are-above-the-law/ On 9/5/07, Nandkumar Saravade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Editorial/Mobs_on_the_rampage/articleshow/2337938.cms -- Amit Varma http://www.indiauncut.com
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On 9/5/07, Amit Varma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know why CP invokes a vengefully consumerist society for what is a failure of the rule of law. Because the mobs represent[ing] the Indians left out from the movement forward.
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On 9/5/07, Gautam John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On 9/5/07, Amit Varma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know why CP invokes a vengefully consumerist society for what is a failure of the rule of law. Because the mobs represent[ing] the Indians left out from the movement forward. By which reasoning, every country where there are inequalities -- indeed, every country -- would have unrestrained mob violence. And what is a vengefully consumerist society? Even if you can be consumerist -- I regard that as a bogeyman term -- how can you be vengeful about it? Unthinking jargon, this. -- Amit Varma http://www.indiauncut.com
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On 9/5/07, Amit Varma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And what is a vengefully consumerist society? They buy consumer goods with a vengeance?
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On 9/5/07, Amit Varma wrote: And what is a vengefully consumerist society? Even if you can be consumerist -- I regard that as a bogeyman term -- how can you be vengeful about it? Unthinking jargon, this. Well even failure of rule of law sounds like jargon to me... the writer of the article, is giving a simplistic explanation to mob justice, to me, it seems, you are doing the same. Whats the big difference ?
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On 9/5/07, ashok _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well even failure of rule of law sounds like jargon to me... the Jargon is terminology, is it not? And the use of jargon doesn't devalue the context, per se. It only pre-supposes a familiarity with the subject.
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I only have an issue with jargon if it's meaningless. 'Vengefully consumerist' is just that, on multiple levels. Mob violence can have various reasons, and to ascribe any one would be simplistic. I'm invoking the failure of the rule of law to explain why mobs get a greater license in India to do their thing. On 9/5/07, Gautam John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/5/07, ashok _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well even failure of rule of law sounds like jargon to me... the Jargon is terminology, is it not? And the use of jargon doesn't devalue the context, per se. It only pre-supposes a familiarity with the subject. -- Amit Varma http://www.indiauncut.com
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Jargon...I think the definition of jargon in its negative sense (no, I haven't googled the Wiki, this is my personal opinion) is. high-falutin' words used to impress and intimidate the listener with the user's familiarity with a subject, when the same thing can be expressed in simpler termsfor example on the recent thread on rodents or other technical threads, I don't think you are all using jargon because those terms ARE perfectly comprehensible to all of you, and you are not out to impress anyone else. For the worst jargon, one only has to read reviews of art exhibitions...even music reviews are sometimes not free of it. I recently read about the patina of incredibiliousness in someone's work, I kid you not. No, neither the artist nor the reviewer suffered bad digestion..but I certainly found that word very hard to stomach. Deepa. On 9/5/07, Amit Varma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I only have an issue with jargon if it's meaningless. 'Vengefully consumerist' is just that, on multiple levels. Mob violence can have various reasons, and to ascribe any one would be simplistic. I'm invoking the failure of the rule of law to explain why mobs get a greater license in India to do their thing. On 9/5/07, Gautam John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/5/07, ashok _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well even failure of rule of law sounds like jargon to me... the Jargon is terminology, is it not? And the use of jargon doesn't devalue the context, per se. It only pre-supposes a familiarity with the subject. -- Amit Varma http://www.indiauncut.com
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For the worst jargon, one only has to read reviews of art exhibitions.. aah.. deepa, please share urls :) where can i read the patina of incredibiliousness? On 9/5/07, Deepa Mohan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jargon...I think the definition of jargon in its negative sense (no, I haven't googled the Wiki, this is my personal opinion) is. high-falutin' words used to impress and intimidate the listener with the user's familiarity with a subject, when the same thing can be expressed in simpler termsfor example on the recent thread on rodents or other technical threads, I don't think you are all using jargon because those terms ARE perfectly comprehensible to all of you, and you are not out to impress anyone else. For the worst jargon, one only has to read reviews of art exhibitions...even music reviews are sometimes not free of it. I recently read about the patina of incredibiliousness in someone's work, I kid you not. No, neither the artist nor the reviewer suffered bad digestion..but I certainly found that word very hard to stomach. Deepa. On 9/5/07, Amit Varma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I only have an issue with jargon if it's meaningless. 'Vengefully consumerist' is just that, on multiple levels. Mob violence can have various reasons, and to ascribe any one would be simplistic. I'm invoking the failure of the rule of law to explain why mobs get a greater license in India to do their thing. On 9/5/07, Gautam John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/5/07, ashok _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well even failure of rule of law sounds like jargon to me... the Jargon is terminology, is it not? And the use of jargon doesn't devalue the context, per se. It only pre-supposes a familiarity with the subject. -- Amit Varma http://www.indiauncut.com -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - does the frog know it has a latin name? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Deepa Mohan said the following on 05/09/2007 15:48: recently read about the patina of incredibiliousness in someone's work, I kid you not. No, neither the artist nor the reviewer suffered bad digestion..but I certainly found that word very hard to stomach. There was this writer with an eastern European name writing for one of the Bangalore newspapers a few years ago - I use the word writer loosely. She could write half a page on matters artistic, and I wouldn't understand a single word. Ram -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (MingW32) iD8DBQFG3pr7RQoToz9njMgRCL1jAKDrlagQLNIGv3kcvfg/E108LGvZrACg+k4G ZbTR++7N2mvjnMKTmVGPm3Q= =FXJi -END PGP SIGNATURE-
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Marta Jakimowicz has been writing for deccan herald for quite some time now http://www.deccanherald.com/Content/Jul102007/arts2007071011979.asp On 9/5/07, Ramakrishnan Sundaram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Deepa Mohan said the following on 05/09/2007 15:48: recently read about the patina of incredibiliousness in someone's work, I kid you not. No, neither the artist nor the reviewer suffered bad digestion..but I certainly found that word very hard to stomach. There was this writer with an eastern European name writing for one of the Bangalore newspapers a few years ago - I use the word writer loosely. She could write half a page on matters artistic, and I wouldn't understand a single word. Ram -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (MingW32) iD8DBQFG3pr7RQoToz9njMgRCL1jAKDrlagQLNIGv3kcvfg/E108LGvZrACg+k4G ZbTR++7N2mvjnMKTmVGPm3Q= =FXJi -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - does the frog know it has a latin name? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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you can try John Berger's writings on art, for a wonderfully non-jargon yet critical and intelligent approach Art and Revolution, Ways of Seeing, Success and Failure of Picasso On 9/5/07, Ramakrishnan Sundaram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Deepa Mohan said the following on 05/09/2007 15:48: recently read about the patina of incredibiliousness in someone's work, I kid you not. No, neither the artist nor the reviewer suffered bad digestion..but I certainly found that word very hard to stomach. There was this writer with an eastern European name writing for one of the Bangalore newspapers a few years ago - I use the word writer loosely. She could write half a page on matters artistic, and I wouldn't understand a single word. Ram -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (MingW32) iD8DBQFG3pr7RQoToz9njMgRCL1jAKDrlagQLNIGv3kcvfg/E108LGvZrACg+k4G ZbTR++7N2mvjnMKTmVGPm3Q= =FXJi -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - does the frog know it has a latin name? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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Deepa Mohan wrote: [ on 05:18 PM 9/5/2007 ] Jargon...I think the definition of jargon in its negative sense (no, I haven't googled the Wiki, this is my personal opinion) is. high-falutin' words used to impress and intimidate the listener with the user's familiarity with a subject, when the same thing can be expressed in simpler terms It is not always possible to express the same thing in simpler terms, though. My favourite example is teh word ego which has a precise meaning in psychoanalysis - though the common usage of the term has corrupted the ability to use that sense of the term in a discussion in mixed company (by which I mean company that includes people who haven't studied psychoanalysis). Udhay (Don't even get me started on hacker) -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))
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Udhay wrote: It is not always possible to express the same thing in simpler terms, though. Well, U, in that case, using hfw is not jargon. Jargon is *unnecessary* multisyllabification. Deepa. On 9/5/07, Udhay Shankar N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deepa Mohan wrote: [ on 05:18 PM 9/5/2007 ] Jargon...I think the definition of jargon in its negative sense (no, I haven't googled the Wiki, this is my personal opinion) is. high-falutin' words used to impress and intimidate the listener with the user's familiarity with a subject, when the same thing can be expressed in simpler terms It is not always possible to express the same thing in simpler terms, though. My favourite example is teh word ego which has a precise meaning in psychoanalysis - though the common usage of the term has corrupted the ability to use that sense of the term in a discussion in mixed company (by which I mean company that includes people who haven't studied psychoanalysis). Udhay (Don't even get me started on hacker) -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))
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On 9/5/07, Abhishek Hazra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the worst jargon, one only has to read reviews of art exhibitions.. aah.. deepa, please share urls :) where can i read the patina of incredibiliousness? I have the physical copy somewhere...but I don't think it's online, this was some years ago. The phrase just stuck in my memory! I could do a bea-ooo-tiful review of your work Obhishake...! You would die laughing. Deepa. On 9/5/07, Deepa Mohan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jargon...I think the definition of jargon in its negative sense (no, I haven't googled the Wiki, this is my personal opinion) is. high-falutin' words used to impress and intimidate the listener with the user's familiarity with a subject, when the same thing can be expressed in simpler termsfor example on the recent thread on rodents or other technical threads, I don't think you are all using jargon because those terms ARE perfectly comprehensible to all of you, and you are not out to impress anyone else. For the worst jargon, one only has to read reviews of art exhibitions...even music reviews are sometimes not free of it. I recently read about the patina of incredibiliousness in someone's work, I kid you not. No, neither the artist nor the reviewer suffered bad digestion..but I certainly found that word very hard to stomach. Deepa. On 9/5/07, Amit Varma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I only have an issue with jargon if it's meaningless. 'Vengefully consumerist' is just that, on multiple levels. Mob violence can have various reasons, and to ascribe any one would be simplistic. I'm invoking the failure of the rule of law to explain why mobs get a greater license in India to do their thing. On 9/5/07, Gautam John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/5/07, ashok _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well even failure of rule of law sounds like jargon to me... the Jargon is terminology, is it not? And the use of jargon doesn't devalue the context, per se. It only pre-supposes a familiarity with the subject. -- Amit Varma http://www.indiauncut.com -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - does the frog know it has a latin name? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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great! ;-) please do. eagerly awaiting death by laughter On 9/5/07, Deepa Mohan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/5/07, Abhishek Hazra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the worst jargon, one only has to read reviews of art exhibitions.. aah.. deepa, please share urls :) where can i read the patina of incredibiliousness? I have the physical copy somewhere...but I don't think it's online, this was some years ago. The phrase just stuck in my memory! I could do a bea-ooo-tiful review of your work Obhishake...! You would die laughing. Deepa. On 9/5/07, Deepa Mohan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jargon...I think the definition of jargon in its negative sense (no, I haven't googled the Wiki, this is my personal opinion) is. high-falutin' words used to impress and intimidate the listener with the user's familiarity with a subject, when the same thing can be expressed in simpler termsfor example on the recent thread on rodents or other technical threads, I don't think you are all using jargon because those terms ARE perfectly comprehensible to all of you, and you are not out to impress anyone else. For the worst jargon, one only has to read reviews of art exhibitions...even music reviews are sometimes not free of it. I recently read about the patina of incredibiliousness in someone's work, I kid you not. No, neither the artist nor the reviewer suffered bad digestion..but I certainly found that word very hard to stomach. Deepa. On 9/5/07, Amit Varma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I only have an issue with jargon if it's meaningless. 'Vengefully consumerist' is just that, on multiple levels. Mob violence can have various reasons, and to ascribe any one would be simplistic. I'm invoking the failure of the rule of law to explain why mobs get a greater license in India to do their thing. On 9/5/07, Gautam John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/5/07, ashok _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well even failure of rule of law sounds like jargon to me... the Jargon is terminology, is it not? And the use of jargon doesn't devalue the context, per se. It only pre-supposes a familiarity with the subject. -- Amit Varma http://www.indiauncut.com -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - does the frog know it has a latin name? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - does the frog know it has a latin name? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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At 06:23 PM 9/5/2007, Deepa Mohan wrote: Udhay wrote: It is not always possible to express the same thing in simpler terms, though. Well, U, in that case, using hfw is not jargon. Jargon is *unnecessary* multisyllabification. As decided by? Udhay -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))
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Deepa Mohan wrote: [ on 06:58 PM 9/5/2007 ] Well, U, in that case, using hfw is not jargon. Jargon is *unnecessary* multisyllabification. As decided by? Since it's my opinion..decided by ME! QED. (unless, of course, that is considered jargon.) Udhay PS: if you must have it underlined and highlighted, what I'm saying [1] is that unnecessary is rarely an objective term, and hence not necessarily (!) useful for persons other than yourself. [1] exercising my whim to be the devil's advocate. -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))
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On Wednesday 05 Sep 2007 2:33 pm, Nandkumar Saravade wrote: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Editorial/Mobs_on_the_rampage/articlesho w/2337938.cms Here are some Googled figures that tell their own story http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_pol_percap-crime-police-per-capita Also check this blog (from wheer I got the link to the figures) http://nitawriter.wordpress.com/2007/08/20/poor-people-to-police-ratio/ Police to population ratios: #1Montserrat: 7.81501 per 1,000 people #2Mauritius: 7.28432 per 1,000 people #3Dominica: 6.40311 per 1,000 people #4Italy: 5.55565 per 1,000 people #5Hong Kong: 4.79374 per 1,000 people #6Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of: 4.7868 per 1,000 people #7Portugal: 4.64878 per 1,000 people #8Kazakhstan: 4.54998 per 1,000 people #9Latvia: 4.51878 per 1,000 people #10Czech Republic: 4.47613 per 1,000 people #11Slovakia: 3.72086 per 1,000 people #12Lithuania: 3.53934 per 1,000 people #13Malaysia: 3.43936 per 1,000 people #14Thailand: 3.35665 per 1,000 people #15Kyrgyzstan: 3.25049 per 1,000 people #16Slovenia: 3.14023 per 1,000 people #17Moldova: 3.01481 per 1,000 people #18Germany: 2.91153 per 1,000 people #19Ireland: 2.8989 per 1,000 people #20Hungary: 2.88528 per 1,000 people #21Spain: 2.86696 per 1,000 people #22South Africa: 2.7668 per 1,000 people #23Estonia: 2.72543 per 1,000 people #24Poland: 2.61367 per 1,000 people #25Jamaica: 2.57054 per 1,000 people #26Georgia: 2.46034 per 1,000 people #27Norway: 2.42412 per 1,000 people #28Turkey: 2.38057 per 1,000 people #29Iceland: 2.24441 per 1,000 people #30Romania: 2.18728 per 1,000 people #31Colombia: 2.12215 per 1,000 people #32Australia: 2.09293 per 1,000 people #33France: 2.049 per 1,000 people #34United Kingdom: 2.04871 per 1,000 people #35Switzerland: 1.93617 per 1,000 people #36Netherlands: 1.92448 per 1,000 people #37Denmark: 1.91716 per 1,000 people #38Chile: 1.85583 per 1,000 people #39Korea, South: 1.85461 per 1,000 people #40Japan: 1.81103 per 1,000 people #41Sri Lanka: 1.72484 per 1,000 people #42Canada: 1.70767 per 1,000 people #43Zimbabwe: 1.68859 per 1,000 people #44Finland: 1.56347 per 1,000 people #45Zambia: 1.13674 per 1,000 people #46Papua New Guinea: 0.985032 per 1,000 people #47India: 0.956207 per 1,000 people #48Costa Rica: 0.370767 per 1,000 people Weighted average: 3.0 per 1,000 people If India even wanted to achieve 2 policemen per thousand we would have to recruit more than one million more policemen. And if they needed better training and salaries? At an average (and paltry) 3000 Rupees a month it would cost an extra Rs 300 crore per month (3600 crore - nearly $ 1 billion a year) for salaries alone, apart from training, accommodation, infrastructure and pensions. It is doable I think, but I don't know if it is being done. shiv
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If India even wanted to achieve 2 policemen per thousand we would have to recruit more than one million more policemen. According to this graph, maybe one could recruit maths teachers instead: http://www.nationmaster.com/plot/cri_pol_percap/edu_mat_lit/flag but then, I suppose they'd be even more expensive than policemen. -Dave (I ran across a corrupt mathematician the other day -- he was busy turning theorems into coffee...)
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Going back to jargon for a moment, it can either be useful shorthand among those knowledgeable about a particular subject, or it can be a sign of intellectual laziness, or even dishonesty. Much postmodernism falls in the latter category -- if you haven't already, do read Richard Dawkins's review of Alan Sokal's Intellectual Impostures: http://www.physics.nyu.edu/faculty/sokal/dawkins.html Also, I'm sure you must have heard of the Sokal affair: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_Affair And the postmodernism generator is hilarious (scroll to bottom): http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo Most usage of jargon isn't so outright ridiculous, but it can be a sign of laziness -- especially for a professional writer, writing for a lay audience. Eschewing jargon and cliches forces one to think clearly, and therefore to write clearly. Else one can fall into the kind of bad habits Orwell mentioned in his marvellous essay, Politics and the English Language: http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/orwell46.htm Er, sorry, does it sound like I'm lecturing? I'm outta here! -- Amit Varma http://www.indiauncut.com
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ahhh. sokal. :) the sokal debate reached indian shores too. there was a correspondence between sokal and a bombay academic on the pages of EPW On 9/5/07, Amit Varma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Going back to jargon for a moment, it can either be useful shorthand among those knowledgeable about a particular subject, or it can be a sign of intellectual laziness, or even dishonesty. Much postmodernism falls in the latter category -- if you haven't already, do read Richard Dawkins's review of Alan Sokal's Intellectual Impostures: http://www.physics.nyu.edu/faculty/sokal/dawkins.html Also, I'm sure you must have heard of the Sokal affair: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_Affair And the postmodernism generator is hilarious (scroll to bottom): http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo Most usage of jargon isn't so outright ridiculous, but it can be a sign of laziness -- especially for a professional writer, writing for a lay audience. Eschewing jargon and cliches forces one to think clearly, and therefore to write clearly. Else one can fall into the kind of bad habits Orwell mentioned in his marvellous essay, Politics and the English Language: http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/orwell46.htm Er, sorry, does it sound like I'm lecturing? I'm outta here! -- Amit Varma http://www.indiauncut.com -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - does the frog know it has a latin name? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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On Wednesday 05 Sep 2007 9:57 pm, Dave Long wrote: According to this graph, maybe one could recruit maths teachers instead: http://www.nationmaster.com/plot/cri_pol_percap/edu_mat_lit/flag but then, I suppose they'd be even more expensive than policemen. It's not either-or. Its BOTH One of the things that intrigued me after I returned to India from the UK was the obvious lack of policemen on the ground. And while this lack of policemen on the ground led to rampant violation of some laws - there were other red lines that were crossed less often. Let me explain, based on my observations in Bangalore. People break the law all the time, by pissing on the roadside, by littering, by illegally occupying areas of pavement for vending, by illegally blocking off a road for some kind of celebration, going the wrong way up a one way street and the like. However the incidence of assault, rape, burglary and even petty theft is not as high as they could be, given that I can see opportunities all the time every day. In many areas you can leave your car unlocked, or window open and it will remain untouched. Home alone and in fact a girl child alone on the streets is commonplace. I used to wonder what it was that made the population adhere to some kind of moral code that encouraged some things and discouraged others. I believe that there is a pre-existing moral code among Indians in general that is applied in the presence or absence of policing. That moral code is highly variable, but it certainly discourages theft, rape and murder by quickly meted out local (mob) justice. In general I find that even educated people have no idea of the law or justice. For example, in our local residents association meetings - residents who are angry with pavement vendors who block their driveways ask, Why can't the police just lock these guys up for a few days? These residents imagine that the police do not do so because they are taking bribes. They do not understand that a pavement vendor is committing a minor offence for which he cannot be jailed as per the Indian Penal Code. At the most he can charged and fined. The police are not at fault, but the educated elite think they are. On the other hand, you find that the police often themselves mete out summary justice to people who are in the lower rungs of the social pecking order (I have examples, but will not elaborate). This makes a whole lot of people (the junta, proles, hoi-polloi) consider the police to be both useless and harmful, and this reinforces the feeling that mob justice is correct. shiv
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Brings to mind this earlier thread: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/silk-list/message/19168
