CSLung Cancer/Was Getting Sick d.linen
d. linen recently sent this link for cancer products. http://altcancer.com/ My mother is diagnosed with lung cancer and is planning on having the surgery. So far it is contained, but the doctor went on vacation and this won't be happening for a few weeks. She is by no means in good health, and we are very concerned about the surgery. However, we will not try to change her mind, nor is it our place. However, I am trying to find something that will help her and surely hope to avoid radiation and/or chemo! This site is very intriguing to me, and I have spent a lot of time there. d.linen, have you had or known anyone who has had any personal experience with these products? Is anybody else on the list familiar with them? I am especially thinking about the lung cancer bundle and maybe even the salve??? Thank you for any input, Valerie Re: Getting Sick From: d.linen (view other messages by this author) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 01:37:46 http://altcancer.com/ For prostate cancer: http://www.altcancer.com/c-pros.htm _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSUnidentified subject!
Well, that is really interesting, Richard! I'm smiling, thinking of you at your computer being very efficient and using your compressor at the same time. :-) Of course I personally wish you had had better luck with the Pulmo Mate. Please let me know how your new one works; I'll be really curious. Good luck with it! Thanks for your input, Connie, about why the treatments by mouth are more effective than using a mask. That does answer my questions and it makes sense. I've really wondered about that. Yes, Jack, it does appear as though I'll need to pull those directions out of the waste basket. HA!!! :-) Thank you! Valerie _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSLung Cancer/Was Getting Sick d.linen
I'm personally using Cansema capsules and the Cansema salve. I also have the Tonic but have only used it topically and not internally. If I had a cancer other than the skin cancer on my face, I'd do the products for that cancer rather than do chemo or radiation. Chemo and radiation kills one's immune system and that is NOT a good thing. I don't know that the salve would do much for a lung cancer. The thing on my face was about the size of a credit card under my left eye and now it's been reduced by about 75 percent. It's still along my eyelid which I can't put the salve on due to its proximity to the eye. It's slow but steady progress. I wish your mother the best. Diane Val Q wrote: d. linen recently sent this link for cancer products. http://altcancer.com/ My mother is diagnosed with lung cancer and is planning on having the surgery. So far it is contained, but the doctor went on vacation and this won't be happening for a few weeks. She is by no means in good health, and we are very concerned about the surgery. However, we will not try to change her mind, nor is it our place. However, I am trying to find something that will help her and surely hope to avoid radiation and/or chemo! This site is very intriguing to me, and I have spent a lot of time there. d.linen, have you had or known anyone who has had any personal experience with these products? Is anybody else on the list familiar with them? I am especially thinking about the lung cancer bundle and maybe even the salve??? Thank you for any input, Valerie Re: Getting Sick From: d.linen (view other messages by this author) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 01:37:46 http://altcancer.com/ For prostate cancer: http://www.altcancer.com/c-pros.htm _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFw: crash landing
I have endorsed nothing but a primary element in self empowerment and a first step in eliminating perceptions of victimhood within ones personal reality construct. There is no need for anyone to be victimized by their own feelings. Attempting to control what 'cannot be controlled' [ie what people say] is a total self defeating waste of emotional and physical energy when the power is always at hand to do otherwise and do it effectively. Everyone chooses what they take seriously and everyone chooses differently. I have not dismissed anyones feelings, only pointed out whos they were, where they came from [inside] and what can be done with them. People need to learn to see themselves in their own light rather than going around trying to change everyone elses. [something that 'can't' be done] People will say what they want to, but I always choose how I hear it. I can only control my own ears...not your mouth. If people knew this simple fact, mob rule and emotional manipulation would be a thing of the past, but alas, mnay folks don't even own themselves and believe every lie that comes down the pike. No offense taken, no defense needed...leaves time and energy to do what 'can' be done to improve ones own lot and self image. If it's a lie, and you know the truth, the lie is irrelevant. See? People who know you, also know the truth. [My Momma DOES wear combat boots and might have slept with the neighbors daddy...who cares, she's still my Momma and nothing that can be said, true, partly true or outright lie, will change that.] Ken That's your choice, Ken. Some of choose to forgo joke lists in favor of other mailing lists. Where it is not unusual to find some humor around, humor that has the ability to offend so deeply does not belong in this forum. I ignored the original post because the posting of it appeared to be accidental. I cannot ignore your casual dismissal, Ken, of the feelings of a person who was offended by the original posting. Now I'm offended as well. There's nowhere in my manual for adulthood that says I have to accept the thinly disguised hatemongering presented by this 'joke' and endorsed by you. Maybe you want to go out and tell that joke to the neighborhood kids - after all, it's only a joke, right? It's really time in our evolution to stop accepting jokes that are not jokes that only perpetuate hatred, sexism, and crudeness. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCYP450 enzymes
Hi again Catherine, We have a walking, talking medical reference library in our midst! Seriously, thanks for the info, which is a bit overwhelming. The field is clearly still in it's infancy; motto seems to be: avoid prescription drugs if at all possible. One good way of assisting that is taking CS on a regular basis. I say that on the premise that regular prophylactic use does not result in a 'lazy' immune system - a more or less consensus conclusion reached after previous discussions here on that topic. One interesting point you made is intriguing and a little scary - the possibility of enzyme damage being passed on to one's offspring. This has a Lamarckian flavour to it. regards, Kevin Nolan - Original Message - From: Catherine Creel ccr...@maine.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 12:08 AM Subject: Re: CSCYP450 enzymes ..Currently, testing exists for three or four CYP450 enzymes. The enzymes that can be boosted are digestive enzymes. P450 enzymes can be given a temporary boost by inducing them, that is, using a substance known to be inductive of a particular P450 enzyme (there are about 100 known P450 enzymes with over 1000 genetic variations...it is suspected that there are over 1000 P450 types of enzymes), but others exist (or not) at the levels they do because of genetic differences. However, when you induce an enzyme, you are triggering a sort of crisis response in the body that results in a significant amount of oxidative damage. So, it's not a good idea to be inducing enzymes. Enzymes are also damaged or destroyed by pharmaceutical drugs, and most apt to be destroyed by those drugs taken on a regular basis. The so-called psychiatric drugs, including antidepressants, are famous for this. The destruction or damage of an enzyme gets recorded in your genes. Your children can then inherit this. Most adverse reactions to drugs (not side effects) are as a result of lacking the appropriate P450 enzyme(s) to metabolize a drug. The first P450 enzyme to be recognized was 30 years ago. It is called 2D6. Since then, little was done inthis arena until 1995. It is still the domain of researchers; many physicians have heard of them, but really don't understand anything about them. The bottom line is that our current knowledge of the P450 system let's us know that prescribing any drug metabolized by this system is like throwing darts in the dark. It is sheer luck if a drug is chosen that a person can metabolize. This is one of the reasons medicine is not looking at this more closely. The FDA has just begun encouraging (their word) pharmaceutical manufacturers to provide available P450 info when submitting new drugs for approval, but they are not making it mandatory. It has been estimated by several researchers that 20-50% of all iatragenic illnesses/deaths from drugs would be eliminated by testing for the P450 enzymes we are currently able to test for. This percentage would rise as we acquired the ability to test for other relevant P450 enzymes. LOL, I'll bet this was more than you wanted to know! Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSReal CS Questions
Dean, From this one could say that silver is perhaps a semi-essential trace mineral - not vital to life but vital to optimal health? You are no doubt correct in that much still remains unknown as to silver's roles in human physiology, but I think till now at least it is only known to act in a catalytic role, not as a normal component of any biochemical structures. regards, Kevin Nolan - Original Message - From: Dean T. Miller dtmil...@midiowa.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 7:09 PM Subject: Re: CSReal CS Questions On Sun, 16 Jun 2002 15:02:14 +1000, Kevin Nolan ken...@optusnet.com.au wrote: I was under the impression that silver does not constitute any part of the body's many hormone, enzyme, protein etc components, and therefore is not really a trace mineral in the same sense that say copper or chromium is. In other words a diet totally lacking in silver would not per se lead to serious illness or death. Can you provide some more info on this? Two or three weeks ago I was looking for info on silver for another (non-health related) purpose. As I was looking, I ran across a site that listed the percentages or ppm of different elements in various things, including the human body. My memory is fuzzy on the exact amount of silver listed for the human body, but it was above 1 ppm. Some animals had more, fish had less. :) There is a WWW site called webelements or something like that has a really good periodic table with lots of details. Unfortunately, their info on the biology of many elements is somewhat askew -- almost like their info was from the 1920's. Adding to that, there is anecdotal evidence provided by National Geographic and other publications that shows the lifespan of populations living in silver-bearing mountainous regions is much greater than areas where there is no silver in the natural surroundings. Mountainous areas that have little silver don't seem to have populations that are any longer lived than other groups. BTW, both lead and aluminum are in the body in trace amounts and I've read that both have biologic activity. I suspect we (science) haven't yet discovered what silver's role is in the body. -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSAnother use
I used CS when I was cleaning my boat this spring Any areas that had mold (which is common on boats) I sprayed it on and let it dry after I cleaned . This should stop mold bob
Re: CSSource for recipes?
Okay, now that I'm started on making my own CS, is there a good place to go looking for recipes? I want to make solutions to kill mold and bacteria on countertops and camping gear; how much to take daily as a prophylactic; what solution to use for nose drops; etc. Linda Ellis -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSReal CS Questions
Every bottle of CS I've seen at health food stores says in very fine print MSP [mild silver protein] Some is 'electro-colloidal' and some is 'chemical precipitate' process with no labeling to differentiate them. If you make your own, at least you know what it is and, more to the point, what it isn't, if not exactly how strong it is. [not that the PPM labeling is all that accurate all the time] The final determining factor for PPM is absorption/elimination rate and body weight..not the PPM of the CS. If it's strong, use less. Acceptable safe parameters are very broad with a pure Bredig sol. If dealing with something serious, it's probably better to err on the high dose side. Over a shortish period of time, it's more likely to drown than experience negative effects. It's always a good idea to take time off, at least now and then. Ken At 10:15 PM 6/15/02 -0400, you wrote: I had a DR's wife approach me at work yesterday about CS. (I work at a health food store) She said her husbands book mentions that only 5 ppm should be taken and anything over that could be dangerous. Also, that it shouldn't be taken long term. Now, from reading the posts here it sounds like many of you have been taking it for years and are taking over 5 ppm. Her husbands book is a medical book. She refused to buy our store products which range from 10 ppm to 45 ppm. All of which I've taken but only when needed for sinus infections. My boyfriend however would like to take them regularly as he has asthma. What is safe to take and will it help his asthma? Also, I have my grandmother taking it. She is 86 and recently had a fever over 104. I finally convinced my mother to put her on the CS after 5 days of a high fever. Her fever was gone the next am and has come back slightly now and then since. She is drinking a ton of water, Could the CS make her thirsty? (I know she didn't drink much while she was sick so maybe she's making up for lost fluids. Thanks in advance. Beth Brawn No time to exercise? Now you can make it a part of your everyday routine with new Cardiostrides! Just wear them and walk! Wear them shopping, cleaning, running errands, etc. They make fitness fun and simple! Learn more by going to the My Products link here: http://5pillars.com/healthyfinances/>http://5pillars.com/healthyfinances/ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org>http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html>http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com>mdev...@eskimo.com>
Re: CSSource for recipes?
Okay, now that I'm started on making my own CS, is there a good place to go looking for recipes? I want to make solutions to kill mold and bacteria on countertops and camping gear; how much to take daily as a prophylactic; what solution to use for nose drops; etc. Linda Ellis Dear Linda, Here`s mine! Marshalee Here`s how to make Colloidal Silver: You`ll need 3 nine-volt batteries, the square ones. (the Lithiums last 4 times longer than the alkalines, if you can afford them; they are about 21 bucks at Radio Shack) 2 five inch pieces of pure silver wire, 14 gauge, .999 fine, (not sterling as it has other metals in it.) 2 alligator clips, (the kind with 2 clips on either end of a plastic-coated wire, also available at the Shack) 2 cups of distilled water in a glass measuring cup, (I always use glass to make CS in. I have a cup used solely for making my CS.) A new green scrubber, just for this purpose. An empty water bottle to store your finished CS in. A pop top plastic bottle is just fine. Rinse the cup and storage bottle with distilled water to remove any dust or soap residue. Take the batteries and snap them together, one upside down on top of the other two. This will leave two empty posts on the batteries. Connect each silver wires to the two empty posts with the two alligator clips. Drop the wires into the water, with about 4 inches submerged, and about 1 inch apart. (As they tend to float around, you can put a candycane bend in the top of the wires and hang that over the lip of the cup, with the connectors hooked to the bend.) Don`t let the connectors get into the water. It is now working. You can`t get shocked by it. Now leave it and time for 30 minutes. You may notice some bubbles coming off one wire, and fine wisps of gold coming off the other, that is the Colloid forming! The bubbles are hydrogen, from the water. There will be a buildup of fuzz on one wire, that is silver oxide. It is harmless, but you can wipe it off with a paper towel. Replace the wires, and time for another 30 minutes. This one hour activation gives a CS of about 18 PPM. The longer it works, the higher the PPM. When finished, wipe off the wires with a paper towel, then with the green scrubber until the wires are shiny again, and detach the batteries. Store it all in a ziploc bag to keep it handy. The finished CS doesn`t need to be refrigerated. If you keep the bottle out where you see it, you`ll remember to take it. I take 3 big swallows a day for an active infection, sometimes even more. (My swallow is about 1/3 of a cup.) The silver particles are fine enough to be easily excreted, so taking more won`t hurt. If you hold the CS in your mouth for a few minutes, it will clean your mouth nicely. I take one swallow a day for a preventive. I use it topically too, and even in the eyes. It is mild and doesn`t sting. Splash some in the pits for a natural deodorant. It is bacteria that causes BO, and since CS kills the bacteria, no BO! CS doesn`t taste too bad either. Some folks notice a metallic tang, others don`t. I put some on my skin and let it dry for a sunburn, and was tan the next day. I use it for bug bites and stings too. Canker sores respond quickly. I have used CS for my pet birds, and always put some in the water bowl for my Pug dogs. CS is even good for cut flowers, they will last for weeks. It is bacteria that actually kills fresh-cut flowers. It can be sprayed on houseplants with fungus or rust. A dollop in the milk jug keeps the milk fresh for a long time. There are lots more uses for CS in the body and around the house, any place bacteria live can benefit from CS. I have some wire available that I sell for 5 bucks just so folks don`t have to get the minimum order, which turns out to be several feet of wire. If someone does want that much, I send them the phone number of my supplier. I`m not in CS to make money, just for the joy of helping folks get well again, like I did -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNew to Colloidal silver
Get a CS generator or make one. Your CS will cost about $1 a gallon or less. Current controlled [low voltage direct current] generators make the strongest CS 20-30 PPM with still the small particle size. Some High voltage generators do well too, but can be dangerous to use and some may produce silver nitrates...and they're expensive. It's very difficult to make small particle CS with a battery pack generator beyond around 5 PPM. Constant stirring helps considerably with all LVDC generators. 3 of the best I've found are at. silvergen.com silverpuppy.com These are current controlled LVDC generators with good reputations for product and service. So far as I can tell wishgranted.com makes a good gen too. There are probably others. Look for specifications and an absence of fear based sales techniques. [nega hype] If they don't tell you much, they probably ain't much and might not have any idea about how much they don't know about their own product. All LVDC generators make both ionic solutions and colloidal suspensions. At first, almost entirely ionic, then more colloidal as the PPM gets higher. Color is some indication of particle size No color is smallest particle Yellow is still small enough. Red, purple etc..toss it. Ken At 12:34 AM 6/17/02 EDT, you wrote: Hello all, I am very new to colloidal silver. I have been researching it for the past few days and it seems the more I read, the less I know. Every company says theirs is the best. Some sell 5ppm concentration and I found one who has a 500 ppm concentration. A site that sells a high ionic concentration says theirs is the best, but then I read that ionic silver does not get utilized inside of the body, and that it is best used externally for cuts etc... Is this true? Virusesthere is a company who sells 2 versions...one is their standard version which sells for 15 dollars for an 8 ounces bottle. They also have an advanced version with smaller particles which they say is necessary to wipe out certain viruses like Hepatitis C. I have a friend with Hep. C. and would like to find a treatment for him. Colloidal silver seems like a good way to go, but what kind to get is the BIG QUESTION. Also, I read that SOME doctors are using CS to treat Hep. C, and that they are even injecting it into the bloodstream. WHERE ARE THESE DOCTORS? We live in PA.Any doctors nearby? I have a dog who I think had an abscessed tooth. Her gum seems to have a hole in it. I'm not sure if the tooth is bad or not, but before going to the vet, where he would most likely pull her tooth, I would like to try to cure it with CS. What would be the best way to go about this? Also, I found a site which sells their colloidal silver very cheap. There is such a variance among what people charge for it, it's hard to know which way to go. We cannot afford to spend hundreds of dollars, so if the cheap stuff is just as effective as the expensive stuff, that would be wonderful. But is it, and how can I know if what I'm getting is good? I don't know what the particle size is though, and if it would be effective for Hep. C. Maybe it is just good for general use. Also, it's 5ppm. Is their a difference in how a low ppm works as opposed to a higher ppm? And what about particle size? I'm looking forward to learning more about CS. Summer -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSReal CS Questions
Beth wrote: I had a DR's wife approach me at work yesterday about CS. (I work at a health food store) She said her husbands book mentions that only 5 ppm should be taken and anything over that could be dangerous. Also, that it shouldn't be taken long term. Now, from reading the posts here it sounds like many of you have been taking it for years and are taking over 5 ppm. Her husbands book is a medical book. She refused to buy our store products which range from 10 ppm to 45 ppm. All of which I've taken but only when needed for sinus infections. My boyfriend however would like to take them regularly as he has asthma. What is safe to take and will it help his asthma? Giving a limit on the ppm of cs without giving a limit on how much to take is nonsense. That is, if you have 10 ppm and dilute it with an equal amount of distilled water, they you will have 5 ppm. Now, when you get up above 20 ppm, I do tend to agree with that since the particles will start getting bigger, a simple dilution will not necessarily make it the same as CS produced at that ppm. CS may help asthma. Killing any pathogens that are present, might help the body stabalize its immune system. Also, I have my grandmother taking it. She is 86 and recently had a fever over 104. I finally convinced my mother to put her on the CS after 5 days of a high fever. Her fever was gone the next am and has come back slightly now and then since. She is drinking a ton of water, Could the CS make her thirsty? (I know she didn't drink much while she was sick so maybe she's making up for lost fluids. I would not expect CS to may one thirsty. However any toxins in the body can certainly cause that. This can be anything from elevated sugar in the blood, to heavy metals released by eating garlic, or toxins released when pathogens die. Marshall
Re: CS Distilled water
Hi Larry, here in Germany, I never saw distilled, or de-ionized water labeled like that (which doesn't mean that it couldn't exist). Might be, very cheap brands made with dirty apparatus for use only in steam irons could be labeled like that (as one is warned in trains not to drink their tap water). Water made by reverse osmosis is not offered in the shops I visit. Normally the mentioned warning labels should only be used with really poisonous stuff. Guenter larry tankersley schrieb: Dear list... does anyone know if this is true. Did you know that every bottle of reverse osmosis, distilled, or de-ionized water sold in Europe contains a skull and crossbones on the label? Do you know that the European label states that these waters are only to be used for steam irons and batteries, and not to be given to pets? If Europeans won't drink these waters or feed them to their pets, then do you really think it's okay for you to drink them? .. The statement comes from a site that is selling water treatment Gizze's. I've posted two folks I know,one in Prague and one in Germany and ask them to see if this is true there. If you know someone in Europe you could ask, or are in Europe and could post back to the list, I would be most interested to hear from you. Thanks larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS/sunburn
Marshalee Hallett wrote: I am using it to help heal tissues on my face from an extremely bad 3rd degree sun burn I had in my teens. Dear Sylvia, Are you sure it was 3rd Degree?? That means the skin was totally destroyed with damage to underlying tissues. It requires skin grafting. That is normally true. However according to The Body Electric by Robert Becker, if the burn is exposed to silver ions, then any tissue that is injured will revert back to stem cells, allowing the skin to regenerate without scarring and without a graph. Even red blood cells can convert to skin, nerve, and hair follacle cells. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFw: crash landing
I have endorsed nothing but a primary element in self empowerment and a first step in eliminating perceptions of victimhood within ones personal reality construct. There is no need for anyone to be victimized by their own feelings. Attempting to control what 'cannot be controlled' [ie what people say] is a total self defeating waste of emotional and physical energy when the power is always at hand to do otherwise and do it effectively. Everyone chooses what they take seriously and everyone chooses differently. I have not dismissed anyones feelings, only pointed out what feelings are, whos they were, where they came from [inside] and what they can do depending on how they're expressed. People need to learn to see themselves in their own light rather than going around trying to change everyone elses. [something that 'can't' be done] People will say what they want to, but I always choose how I hear it whether I aware that I'm choosing or not. I can only control my own ears...not your mouth. If people knew this simple fact, mob rule and emotional manipulation would be a thing of the past, but alas, mnay folks don't even own themselves and believe every lie that comes down the pike. No offense taken, no defense needed...leaves time and energy to do what 'can' be done to improve ones own lot and self image...and by extension, everyone elses. If it's a lie, and you know the truth, the lie is irrelevant. See? People who know you, also know the truth. [My Momma DOES wear combat boots and might have slept with the neighbors daddy...who cares, she's still my Momma and nothing that can be said, true, partly true or outright lie, will change that.] Ken That's your choice, Ken. Some of choose to forgo joke lists in favor of other mailing lists. Where it is not unusual to find some humor around, humor that has the ability to offend so deeply does not belong in this forum. I ignored the original post because the posting of it appeared to be accidental. I cannot ignore your casual dismissal, Ken, of the feelings of a person who was offended by the original posting. Now I'm offended as well. There's nowhere in my manual for adulthood that says I have to accept the thinly disguised hatemongering presented by this 'joke' and endorsed by you. Maybe you want to go out and tell that joke to the neighborhood kids - after all, it's only a joke, right? It's really time in our evolution to stop accepting jokes that are not jokes that only perpetuate hatred, sexism, and crudeness. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSReal CS Questions
Thanks for all of the answers and info for my last questions. My boyfriend has decided to try the recipe from Marshalee (thanks for posting it), Where do you get the silver from? Also, I suspect I may have candida overgrowth. I know CS can kill Candida but does anyone have experience that it will work without going on the strict candida diet? If I start taking it regularly, while cutting my sugar intake down, etc... how will should this work? This also leads me to question the mother who lost weight from CS. There are conditions, I believe Candida for one, that may prevent weight loss. If the CS was killing off the candida and the body was getting back in balance, the weight might start coming off without the person knowing it was related to an underlying condition?!?!?!? What are your thoughts? Beth Brawn No time to exercise? Now you can make it a part of your everyday routine with new Cardiostrides! Just wear them and walk! Wear them shopping, cleaning, running errands, etc. They make fitness fun and simple! Learn more by going to the My Products link here: http://5pillars.com/healthyfinances/ The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSReal CS Questions
Question: Does the acronym 'ppm' refer to particle size or number of particles in solution? John -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 8:07 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSReal CS Questions Beth wrote: I had a DR's wife approach me at work yesterday about CS. (I work at a health food store) She said her husbands book mentions that only 5 ppm should be taken and anything over that could be dangerous. Also, that it shouldn't be taken long term. Now, from reading the posts here it sounds like many of you have been taking it for years and are taking over 5 ppm. Her husbands book is a medical book. She refused to buy our store products which range from 10 ppm to 45 ppm. All of which I've taken but only when needed for sinus infections. My boyfriend however would like to take them regularly as he has asthma. What is safe to take and will it help his asthma? Giving a limit on the ppm of cs without giving a limit on how much to take is nonsense. That is, if you have 10 ppm and dilute it with an equal amount of distilled water, they you will have 5 ppm. Now, when you get up above 20 ppm, I do tend to agree with that since the particles will start getting bigger, a simple dilution will not necessarily make it the same as CS produced at that ppm. CS may help asthma. Killing any pathogens that are present, might help the body stabalize its immune system. Also, I have my grandmother taking it. She is 86 and recently had a fever over 104. I finally convinced my mother to put her on the CS after 5 days of a high fever. Her fever was gone the next am and has come back slightly now and then since. She is drinking a ton of water, Could the CS make her thirsty? (I know she didn't drink much while she was sick so maybe she's making up for lost fluids. I would not expect CS to may one thirsty. However any toxins in the body can certainly cause that. This can be anything from elevated sugar in the blood, to heavy metals released by eating garlic, or toxins released when pathogens die. Marshall
Re: CSReal CS Questions
Neither, it stands for part per million. Marshall John Reeder wrote: Question: Does the acronym 'ppm' refer to particle size or number of particles in solution?John -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 8:07 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSReal CS Questions Beth wrote: I had a DR's wife approach me at work yesterday about CS. (I work at a health food store) She said her husbands book mentions that only 5 ppm should be taken and anything over that could be dangerous. Also, that it shouldn't be taken long term. Now, from reading the posts here it sounds like many of you have been taking it for years and are taking over 5 ppm. Her husbands book is a medical book. She refused to buy our store products which range from 10 ppm to 45 ppm. All of which I've taken but only when needed for sinus infections. My boyfriend however would like to take them regularly as he has asthma. What is safe to take and will it help his asthma? Giving a limit on the ppm of cs without giving a limit on how much to take is nonsense. That is, if you have 10 ppm and dilute it with an equal amount of distilled water, they you will have 5 ppm. Now, when you get up above 20 ppm, I do tend to agree with that since the particles will start getting bigger, a simple dilution will not necessarily make it the same as CS produced at that ppm. CS may help asthma. Killing any pathogens that are present, might help the body stabalize its immune system. Also, I have my grandmother taking it. She is 86 and recently had a fever over 104. I finally convinced my mother to put her on the CS after 5 days of a high fever. Her fever was gone the next am and has come back slightly now and then since. She is drinking a ton of water, Could the CS make her thirsty? (I know she didn't drink much while she was sick so maybe she's making up for lost fluids. I would not expect CS to may one thirsty. However any toxins in the body can certainly cause that. This can be anything from elevated sugar in the blood, to heavy metals released by eating garlic, or toxins released when pathogens die. Marshall
CSsilver uses
OK...I know of the silver used in burn centers, and of the silverlon bandages. Can someone more familiar with this list some other commercial apps where silver is used in repair/healing whatever? Thanks. Rich Adams -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSReal CS Questions
Hi John, Neither. It's a measure of weight. 1 PPM = 1 mg. silver in 1 liter of water. Swallowing a 1 mg. chunk of silver isn't going to do much good. What really counts is how many particles can that chunk can be divided into. More particles equals more bang for the buck. Clear CS has the smallest particles. Trem - Original Message - From: John Reeder To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 9:04 AM Subject: RE: CSReal CS Questions Question: Does the acronym 'ppm' refer to particle size or number of particles in solution? John -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 8:07 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSReal CS Questions Beth wrote: I had a DR's wife approach me at work yesterday about CS. (I work at a health food store) She said her husbands book mentions that only 5 ppm should be taken and anything over that could be dangerous. Also, that it shouldn't be taken long term. Now, from reading the posts here it sounds like many of you have been taking it for years and are taking over 5 ppm. Her husbands book is a medical book. She refused to buy our store products which range from 10 ppm to 45 ppm. All of which I've taken but only when needed for sinus infections. My boyfriend however would like to take them regularly as he has asthma. What is safe to take and will it help his asthma? Giving a limit on the ppm of cs without giving a limit on how much to take is nonsense. That is, if you have 10 ppm and dilute it with an equal amount of distilled water, they you will have 5 ppm. Now, when you get up above 20 ppm, I do tend to agree with that since the particles will start getting bigger, a simple dilution will not necessarily make it the same as CS produced at that ppm. CS may help asthma. Killing any pathogens that are present, might help the body stabalize its immune system. Also, I have my grandmother taking it. She is 86 and recently had a fever over 104. I finally convinced my mother to put her on the CS after 5 days of a high fever. Her fever was gone the next am and has come back slightly now and then since. She is drinking a ton of water, Could the CS make her thirsty? (I know she didn't drink much while she was sick so maybe she's making up for lost fluids. I would not expect CS to may one thirsty. However any toxins in the body can certainly cause that. This can be anything from elevated sugar in the blood, to heavy metals released by eating garlic, or toxins released when pathogens die. Marshall
CSParticle Size Question
Can anyone verify the following: When applying current to silver in solution, metallic silver will always break off at the same size, 1.26 angstroms (.1 microns). This particle is so small that the next stop on the road to smallness is the atom itself. http://www.herbalremedies.com/readmorabcol.html#8 Thanks, jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCS and Vitamin E Combined Effects comment
Chuck's recent comment on vitamin E usage called to mind some information which may be of value to the list members. Back in the early 60's one of our colleagues was involved in protocol investigations involving evaluating various substances for benefit in addressing the reduction of tissue scarring following extensive and/or major injury. Quite serendipitously, he encountered the benefits of applying vitamin E for very effective scar-formation reduction (easily evaluated on victims presenting multiple lacerations in common tissue fields). Later, he discovered the HIGHLY effective action of vitamin E (topically applied) in the high-percentage prevention/suppression of scar formation among serious burn victims. His work appeared instrumental in accelerating similar protocol adaptions by the former Brooke Army Medical Group in San Antonio, Texas..which became one of the pioneers in the utilization of such treatment (including the successful spraying/misting of high-percentage vitamin E directly upon the insult surfaces). I was a direct witness to one, particularly impressive, case involving the female victim of an automobile accident resulting in massive burn injury-effecting a near-miraculous favorable response to such a protocol. This pioneering effort occurred (inspired by the earlier work of Dr. Evan Shute of vitamin E research fame) in the early 1960's. One, particular, element manifested early in these investigations..the EARLIER the vitamin E (d-alpha tocopherol principally) protocol was introducedthe more pronounced the beneficial effect in scar-tissue formation control. Some 25 years later we found the incorporation of electrically-generated colloidal silver to add a synergistic effect when added to the vitamin E (water soluble vitamin E) solution. Additionally, although anecdotal in nature, effects of accelerated healing readily evidenced, following the addition of the colloidal silver component. While the vitamin E, alone, displayed measureable pathogenic suppression..the addition of colloidal silver displayed quite powerful increases in this activity...especially welcomed for the increased bacteriostatic function exhibited. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. p.s. Just the simple application of liquid d-alpha vitamin E (from a common vitamin gel-cap), applied to injuries/burns was determined to be quite effective in scar-formation reductions--an alternative medicine protocol quite widely implemented today. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CScolloidal color
Hello, I just switched my subscription to this new e-mail so I will have all of my silver info in one place. Does anyone have opinions on color? Some companies say only the brown silver is good,and others say only the totally clear is good and to NEVER take the brown. Also, ionic vs. colloidalI've been reading that ionic cannot be used internally because our digestive system destroys it before it can do any good, and that we need to take the colloidal instead. Some companies list the breakdown of the silver and what percentage of it is colloidal and ionic. Any thought on this? Also, someone on this list mentioned knowing about doctors using it and even injecting it. Where can I find these doctors? Summer
Re: CSSource for recipes?
Dear Marshelee et al., I noticed your reply above and found the information you gave to be particularly helpful. This is the first time that I've posted to this or any other list. I should mention that my needs concern a family of three persons, one 110 LB. family dog, and two box turtles that share an unfiltered water bath that may well benefit from a regularly added CS dose. Should you or any other list member be so kind as to be willing take the time to answer, I would appreciate answers to some questions of my own. If you find it more convenient to do so, please just enter your comments into my text below: a.. Is there any significant advantage to using the .999 silver wire over US Eagle or Canadian Maple Leaf bullion silver coins? Do you know, offhand, what the gauge of the wire that you use is? b.. Assuming that the silver bullion is also a viable substitute for the simple generator that you've described, would there be any significant advantage between the two types of bullion coins just mentioned? c.. In your own experience, can you give a best guess of how many weeks or months the $5.00 supply of .999 silver wire you describe might typically last for the uses you've discussed. d.. Would the basic generator plans you mention (quite helpful, btw) be one that you would personally be satisfied with, or is there another home-made plan that you might also point us to? Would one that uses a small transformer, introduces air bubbles, or incorporates a timing relay or some other features that you may know of prove more satisfying or perhaps produce a superior quality CS more effectively? I should mention that my needs are for a family of three persons, one 110 LB family dog, and two box turtles whose unfiltered water bath may well benefit from an added dose. e.. Do you recommend any other testing devices for quality control, or are these really an unnecessary expense for my limited production when produced within the more customary given parameters? f.. I would appreciate your recommendation for the name of the supplier that you spoke of for the .999 silver wire. g.. Final question: Perhaps you or another list member might comment on whether I might consider my reverse-osmosis water system (new and well-maintained) as an equally viable alternative to using distilled water for making CS? I realize that I've asked many questions here. I'll be pleased with whatever information you might readily lend without burdening yourself. Your answer to the previous inquiry was already of significant help to me. Please accept my sincere thanks in advance for your time and helpful advice. Chris - Original Message - From: Marshalee Hallett liah...@utah-inter.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 7:58 AM Subject: Re: CSSource for recipes?
Re: CSCYP450 enzymes
Dear Kevin, You said: The field is clearly still in it's infancy; motto seems to be: avoid prescription drugs if at all possible. One good way of assisting that is taking CS on a regular basis. I say that on the premise that regular prophylactic use does not result in a 'lazy' immune system - a more or less consensus conclusion reached after previous discussions here on that topic. You're right - you've distilled it down to the bottom line. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSmosquito larvae
Being summer with lots of areas where water accumulates where mosquito larvae can hatch, I though I would try using CS and aspertame to see if it would kill them. Last night I added a couple of ounces of 5 ppm CS to a bowl of water that had about 8 oz of water in it. It had larvae in it already. This morning I checked and the larvae were still alive. I then added a packet of Nutrasweet. 4 hours later, they are still alive. I just dumped them out to dry. Oh well, nice idea if it had worked. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS and Vitamin E Combined Effects comment
Brooks Bradley. wrote: p.s. Just the simple application of liquid d-alpha vitamin E (from a common vitamin gel-cap), applied to injuries/burns was determined to be quite effective in scar-formation reductions--an alternative medicine protocol quite widely implemented today. Hi Brooks, we keep E capsules in the medicine cabinet alone with a pin for piercing, - have for many years. I think of E as an oily vitamin, although there is a dry form, but I have never known about a 'water soluble vitamin E' - I have never seen any mention of it. Where can I find a source? Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSParticle Size Question
Silver particles don't break off. They are formed in the ionic solution when current passes through the ionic silver converting the ions back to silver atoms. The atoms are drawn together by the van der waals' force to form particles. There is no such thing as a silver particle 1.26 angstroms in diameter. The silver atom is 2.88 A units in diameter or 0.288 nm. For particle sizes see : http://www.silver-colloids.com/Tables/Agradvolarea.PDF Most particles formed by the electrolysis process are much larger, being in the 10 to 90 nm range. Typically, 90% of the silver contributed by the electrodes winds up as ionic silver and 10% is particles. frank key - Original Message - From: jrowl...@nctimes.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 12:42 PM Subject: CSParticle Size Question Can anyone verify the following: When applying current to silver in solution, metallic silver will always break off at the same size, 1.26 angstroms (.1 microns). This particle is so small that the next stop on the road to smallness is the atom itself. http://www.herbalremedies.com/readmorabcol.html#8 Thanks, jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS[List Owner] Humor and offense...
Hi Ken, you said,in part, From: Ode Coyote coy...@alltel.net If one pays attention to feelings that result from any given imput, often a clue to sources of distress are revealed which then can be addressed from a more self empowered point of view. All feelings belong solely to the one who has them. They are not 'inflicted' by anyone else despite feelings to the contrary. Feelings are not facts but they can be used to justify actions, conscious and unconscious, which can become factual. I have read the entire post three times, I've printed two copies, and will e-mail it to both of my daughters and a few selected friends that I hope will be able to absorb and apply at least some of the concepts to their lives. Ayn Rand stated Feelings are not knowledge. , I'm not sure, but it could have been in her book The Virtue of Selfishness. I would ask all listers who have seen it, to review it again, read it carefully, there is much of value there for YOU. Thanks Ken Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSmosquito larvae
Probably you ended up with very healthy larvae on a sugar high. Maybe you didn't wait long enough or needed more ppm in the cs. John -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 11:21 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSmosquito larvae Being summer with lots of areas where water accumulates where mosquito larvae can hatch, I though I would try using CS and aspertame to see if it would kill them. Last night I added a couple of ounces of 5 ppm CS to a bowl of water that had about 8 oz of water in it. It had larvae in it already. This morning I checked and the larvae were still alive. I then added a packet of Nutrasweet. 4 hours later, they are still alive. I just dumped them out to dry. Oh well, nice idea if it had worked. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScolloidal color
If it is clear, it is ionic silver, not colloidal silver. Mesosilver is the only brown colored silver colloid with nanometer sized particles. As explained on the website: Unlike most colloidal silver products, Mesosilver is a clear brown colored liquid, looking like dark iced tea. It is the very high concentration of mesosilver particles, not size or contamination, that gives Mesosilver its distinctive coloration. Previously, it was thought that such a brown color indicated the presence of large silver particles, which is the case for colloidal silver produced by methods other than the mesoprocess. The small size of the silver particles is confirmed by the use of a state-of-the-art scientific instrument designed specifically for measuring such small particles called a Photon Correlation Spectrometer (PCS). The PCS used during the development of Mesosilver was manufactured by Malvern Instruments, Ltd. of the United Kingdom, one of the foremost producers of such equipment in the world. The particle size report from the Malvern PCS confirms the claimed size of 1.4 nm for Mesosilver. frank key - Original Message - From: form...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 1:35 PM Subject: CScolloidal color Hello, I just switched my subscription to this new e-mail so I will have all of my silver info in one place. Does anyone have opinions on color? Some companies say only the brown silver is good,and others say only the totally clear is good and to NEVER take the brown. Also, ionic vs. colloidalI've been reading that ionic cannot be used internally because our digestive system destroys it before it can do any good, and that we need to take the colloidal instead. Some companies list the breakdown of the silver and what percentage of it is colloidal and ionic. Any thought on this? Also, someone on this list mentioned knowing about doctors using it and even injecting it. Where can I find these doctors? Summer -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSParticle Size Question
General Chemistry, ninth edition, Holtzclaw, Robinson and Odom, published by D.C. Health and Company 1991, lists silver has having a diameter of 1.44 angstroms and a silver ion as 1.26 angstroms. (The 6th edition also lists the same thing.) I can find no references that show anything near 2.88 A for the diameter. Marshall Frank Key wrote: Silver particles don't break off. They are formed in the ionic solution when current passes through the ionic silver converting the ions back to silver atoms. The atoms are drawn together by the van der waals' force to form particles. There is no such thing as a silver particle 1.26 angstroms in diameter. The silver atom is 2.88 A units in diameter or 0.288 nm. For particle sizes see : http://www.silver-colloids.com/Tables/Agradvolarea.PDF Most particles formed by the electrolysis process are much larger, being in the 10 to 90 nm range. Typically, 90% of the silver contributed by the electrodes winds up as ionic silver and 10% is particles. frank key - Original Message - From: jrowl...@nctimes.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 12:42 PM Subject: CSParticle Size Question Can anyone verify the following: When applying current to silver in solution, metallic silver will always break off at the same size, 1.26 angstroms (.1 microns). This particle is so small that the next stop on the road to smallness is the atom itself. http://www.herbalremedies.com/readmorabcol.html#8 Thanks, jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSParticle Size Question
Thanks Frank, good information and now filed away for future reference.\ John -Original Message- From: Frank Key [mailto:fr...@strsoft.com] Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 11:52 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSParticle Size Question Silver particles don't break off. They are formed in the ionic solution when current passes through the ionic silver converting the ions back to silver atoms. The atoms are drawn together by the van der waals' force to form particles. There is no such thing as a silver particle 1.26 angstroms in diameter. The silver atom is 2.88 A units in diameter or 0.288 nm. For particle sizes see : http://www.silver-colloids.com/Tables/Agradvolarea.PDF Most particles formed by the electrolysis process are much larger, being in the 10 to 90 nm range. Typically, 90% of the silver contributed by the electrodes winds up as ionic silver and 10% is particles. frank key - Original Message - From: jrowl...@nctimes.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 12:42 PM Subject: CSParticle Size Question Can anyone verify the following: When applying current to silver in solution, metallic silver will always break off at the same size, 1.26 angstroms (.1 microns). This particle is so small that the next stop on the road to smallness is the atom itself. http://www.herbalremedies.com/readmorabcol.html#8 Thanks, jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSReal CS Questions
Thanks Trem, What physically happens as the cs is being made? I know that the ppm gets higher and higher as the water turns color. My question is, I guess, does the number of particles increase as the ppm goes up or do the particles just get larger? Seems like what we want is more of the small particles and not the larger ones. ??? Does the stirring keep the particles smaller? John -Original Message- From: Trem [mailto:t...@silvergen.com] Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 9:36 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSReal CS Questions Hi John, Neither. It's a measure of weight. 1 PPM = 1 mg. silver in 1 liter of water. Swallowing a 1 mg. chunk of silver isn't going to do much good. What really counts is how many particles can that chunk can be divided into. More particles equals more bang for the buck. Clear CS has the smallest particles. Trem - Original Message - From: John Reeder To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 9:04 AM Subject: RE: CSReal CS Questions Question: Does the acronym 'ppm' refer to particle size or number of particles in solution? John -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 8:07 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSReal CS Questions Beth wrote: I had a DR's wife approach me at work yesterday about CS. (I work at a health food store) She said her husbands book mentions that only 5 ppm should be taken and anything over that could be dangerous. Also, that it shouldn't be taken long term. Now, from reading the posts here it sounds like many of you have been taking it for years and are taking over 5 ppm. Her husbands book is a medical book. She refused to buy our store products which range from 10 ppm to 45 ppm. All of which I've taken but only when needed for sinus infections. My boyfriend however would like to take them regularly as he has asthma. What is safe to take and will it help his asthma? Giving a limit on the ppm of cs without giving a limit on how much to take is nonsense. That is, if you have 10 ppm and dilute it with an equal amount of distilled water, they you will have 5 ppm. Now, when you get up above 20 ppm, I do tend to agree with that since the particles will start getting bigger, a simple dilution will not necessarily make it the same as CS produced at that ppm. CS may help asthma. Killing any pathogens that are present, might help the body stabalize its immune system. Also, I have my grandmother taking it. She is 86 and recently had a fever over 104. I finally convinced my mother to put her on the CS after 5 days of a high fever. Her fever was gone the next am and has come back slightly now and then since. She is drinking a ton of water, Could the CS make her thirsty? (I know she didn't drink much while she was sick so maybe she's making up for lost fluids. I would not expect CS to may one thirsty. However any toxins in the body can certainly cause that. This can be anything from elevated sugar in the blood, to heavy metals released by eating garlic, or toxins released when pathogens die. Marshall
Re: CSReal CS Questions
Silver? There are many places on the internet to order it. I cannot think of any place right off the top of my head. I am sure many people have sites they could offer from which to order it. The first place I bought my silver wire from was a jewelry store. You could just go to a local jewelry store and order (buy) some silver wire from them. It would probably cost a bit more than ordering it from somewhere else. Just make certain you get pure silver. I believe that I had to order a foot of silver wire when i got mine at the jewelry store. -Original Message- From: Beth b...@sysr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, June 17, 2002 1:17 PM Subject: Re: CSReal CS Questions Thanks for all of the answers and info for my last questions. My boyfriend has decided to try the recipe from Marshalee (thanks for posting it), Where do you get the silver from? Also, I suspect I may have candida overgrowth. I know CS can kill Candida but does anyone have experience that it will work without going on the strict candida diet? If I start taking it regularly, while cutting my sugar intake down, etc... how will should this work? This also leads me to question the mother who lost weight from CS. There are conditions, I believe Candida for one, that may prevent weight loss. If the CS was killing off the candida and the body was getting back in balance, the weight might start coming off without the person knowing it was related to an underlying condition?!?!?!? What are your thoughts? Beth Brawn No time to exercise? Now you can make it a part of your everyday routine with new Cardiostrides! Just wear them and walk! Wear them shopping, cleaning, running errands, etc. They make fitness fun and simple! Learn more by going to the My Products link here: http://5pillars.com/healthyfinances/ The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScolloidal color
Frank, You said: If it is clear, it is ionic silver, not colloidal silver. Mesosilver is the only brown colored silver colloid with nanometer sized particles. If this is true, perhaps you could tell me what is scattering my 650nm laser beam when directed into my clear solution? Arnold Beland - Original Message - From: Frank Key fr...@strsoft.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 2:57 PM Subject: Re: CScolloidal color If it is clear, it is ionic silver, not colloidal silver. Mesosilver is the only brown colored silver colloid with nanometer sized particles. As explained on the website: Unlike most colloidal silver products, Mesosilver is a clear brown colored liquid, looking like dark iced tea. It is the very high concentration of mesosilver particles, not size or contamination, that gives Mesosilver its distinctive coloration. Previously, it was thought that such a brown color indicated the presence of large silver particles, which is the case for colloidal silver produced by methods other than the mesoprocess. The small size of the silver particles is confirmed by the use of a state-of-the-art scientific instrument designed specifically for measuring such small particles called a Photon Correlation Spectrometer (PCS). The PCS used during the development of Mesosilver was manufactured by Malvern Instruments, Ltd. of the United Kingdom, one of the foremost producers of such equipment in the world. The particle size report from the Malvern PCS confirms the claimed size of 1.4 nm for Mesosilver. frank key - Original Message - From: form...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 1:35 PM Subject: CScolloidal color Hello, I just switched my subscription to this new e-mail so I will have all of my silver info in one place. Does anyone have opinions on color? Some companies say only the brown silver is good,and others say only the totally clear is good and to NEVER take the brown. Also, ionic vs. colloidalI've been reading that ionic cannot be used internally because our digestive system destroys it before it can do any good, and that we need to take the colloidal instead. Some companies list the breakdown of the silver and what percentage of it is colloidal and ionic. Any thought on this? Also, someone on this list mentioned knowing about doctors using it and even injecting it. Where can I find these doctors? Summer -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSReal CS Questions
Beth, I have been using CS for nearly 2 years. I originally began using it to treat candida, and it helped to alleviate recurrent secondary respiratory infections due poor immune function. It may also help with the candida directly. If you haven't found the candida forum try it out http://www.healthyawareness.com/Candida_General/. Lots of people participate and you can get some good info and help there. The consensus among most who have recovered form candida is that you must follow the diet at least at first. I was a bit more liberal with fruits than most of the candida diets that I have seen. If you can find a doctor who treats candida it may save you some time. There is a lot of mis-information on the web and lot's of people willing to sell you supplements that don't work. The supplements that worked best for me have been garlic, grapefruit seed extract, olive leaf extract, and oil of oregano. I'll be happy to help in any way I can. Feel free to contact me off list if you want to. Chip Hoyle Beth wrote: Thanks for all of the answers and info for my last questions. My boyfriend has decided to try the recipe from Marshalee (thanks for posting it), Where do you get the silver from? Also, I suspect I may have candida overgrowth. I know CS can kill Candida but does anyone have experience that it will work without going on the strict candida diet? If I start taking it regularly, while cutting my sugar intake down, etc... how will should this work? This also leads me to question the mother who lost weight from CS. There are conditions, I believe Candida for one, that may prevent weight loss. If the CS was killing off the candida and the body was getting back in balance, the weight might start coming off without the person knowing it was related to an underlying condition?!?!?!? What are your thoughts? Beth Brawn No time to exercise? Now you can make it a part of your everyday routine with new Cardiostrides! Just wear them and walk! Wear them shopping, cleaning, running errands, etc. They make fitness fun and simple! Learn more by going to the My Products link here: http://5pillars.com/healthyfinances/ The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSource for recipes? Clarification, please.
In a message dated 6/17/02 10:04:41 AM Central Daylight Time, liah...@utah-inter.net writes: Here`s how to make Colloidal Silver: You`ll need 3 nine-volt batteries, the square ones. (the Lithiums last 4 times longer than the alkalines, if you can afford them; Sorry, I must not have been clear. I have a ZBB4 from SOTA to make the CS, what I'm looking for now is, once I have it, what do I do with it besides swallowing it? If I want to use it topically, do I add it to a cream? Dilute it with regular water and spray it, or spray it straight? If I want to use it to disinfect countertops, do I use it full-strength? If I dilute it, how much do I add to water? If I want to use it to get mold and mildew off the canvas of our camping gear, what do I do? Just spray it on straight, or mix it with a cleaning solution of some kind and scrub? You say to add a dollop to milk to keep it fresh. What's a dollop? Does it matter? If I want to use it to clean vegetables, do I just add some (how much) to the soak water? If I'm already adding H2O2, am I being redundant in adding the CS? THOSE are the kinds of recipes I was referring to
RE: CSSource for recipes?
Re: CSSource for recipes?Hello Jack, Why the emphatic 'no'? John -Original Message- From: Jack Dayton [mailto:jack...@harbornet.com] Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 1:00 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSource for recipes? From: Chris Buckner cb4libe...@attbi.com a.. Final question: Perhaps you or another list member might comment on whether I might consider my reverse-osmosis water system (new and well-maintained) as an equally viable alternative to using distilled water for making CS? b.. c.. Not only NO, but hell no! d.. If there is a Walgreens in your area, buy their DW e.. f.. Jack
Re: CSParticle Size Question
1.44 A is the atomic radius, the diameter is twice the radius. frank key - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 3:06 PM Subject: Re: CSParticle Size Question General Chemistry, ninth edition, Holtzclaw, Robinson and Odom, published by D.C. Health and Company 1991, lists silver has having a diameter of 1.44 angstroms and a silver ion as 1.26 angstroms. (The 6th edition also lists the same thing.) I can find no references that show anything near 2.88 A for the diameter. Marshall Frank Key wrote: Silver particles don't break off. They are formed in the ionic solution when current passes through the ionic silver converting the ions back to silver atoms. The atoms are drawn together by the van der waals' force to form particles. There is no such thing as a silver particle 1.26 angstroms in diameter. The silver atom is 2.88 A units in diameter or 0.288 nm. For particle sizes see : http://www.silver-colloids.com/Tables/Agradvolarea.PDF Most particles formed by the electrolysis process are much larger, being in the 10 to 90 nm range. Typically, 90% of the silver contributed by the electrodes winds up as ionic silver and 10% is particles. frank key - Original Message - From: jrowl...@nctimes.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 12:42 PM Subject: CSParticle Size Question Can anyone verify the following: When applying current to silver in solution, metallic silver will always break off at the same size, 1.26 angstroms (.1 microns). This particle is so small that the next stop on the road to smallness is the atom itself. http://www.herbalremedies.com/readmorabcol.html#8 Thanks, jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSParticle Size Question
Opps, you are right. Looks like the other people made the same mistake. Marshall Frank Key wrote: 1.44 A is the atomic radius, the diameter is twice the radius. frank key - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 3:06 PM Subject: Re: CSParticle Size Question General Chemistry, ninth edition, Holtzclaw, Robinson and Odom, published by D.C. Health and Company 1991, lists silver has having a diameter of 1.44 angstroms and a silver ion as 1.26 angstroms. (The 6th edition also lists the same thing.) I can find no references that show anything near 2.88 A for the diameter. Marshall Frank Key wrote: Silver particles don't break off. They are formed in the ionic solution when current passes through the ionic silver converting the ions back to silver atoms. The atoms are drawn together by the van der waals' force to form particles. There is no such thing as a silver particle 1.26 angstroms in diameter. The silver atom is 2.88 A units in diameter or 0.288 nm. For particle sizes see : http://www.silver-colloids.com/Tables/Agradvolarea.PDF Most particles formed by the electrolysis process are much larger, being in the 10 to 90 nm range. Typically, 90% of the silver contributed by the electrodes winds up as ionic silver and 10% is particles. frank key - Original Message - From: jrowl...@nctimes.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 12:42 PM Subject: CSParticle Size Question Can anyone verify the following: When applying current to silver in solution, metallic silver will always break off at the same size, 1.26 angstroms (.1 microns). This particle is so small that the next stop on the road to smallness is the atom itself. http://www.herbalremedies.com/readmorabcol.html#8 Thanks, jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNew to Colloidal silver
Hi Summer, wow lots of questions, I,m sorry you haven't had more responses to your queries, but I suggest that a little more reading will help you with many of them. Go to: http://silverdata.20m.com/ You will find answers there, and he isn't trying to sell you something. Jack Subject: CSNew to Colloidal silver Hello all, I am very new to colloidal silver. I have been researching it for the past few days and it seems the more I read, the less I know. Every company says theirs is the best. Some sell 5ppm concentration and I found one who has a 500 ppm concentration.
Re: CSReal CS Questions
Thanks for all of the answers and info for my last questions. My boyfriend has decided to try the recipe from Marshalee (thanks for posting it), I`m always glad to help out! Where do you get the silver from? Hauser and Miller Co. a jewelry supplier. I buy in bulk so people don`t have to, and resell it just above cost, to cover postage and my time. I`m not into making money off CS, I prefer to help people get well the way I was helped. Also, I suspect I may have candida overgrowth. I know CS can kill Candida but does anyone have experience that it will work without going on the strict candida diet? If I start taking it regularly, while cutting my sugar intake down, etc... how will should this work? This also leads me to question the mother who lost weight from CS. There are conditions, I believe Candida for one, that may prevent weight loss. If the CS was killing off the candida and the body was getting back in balance, the weight might start coming off without the person knowing it was related to an underlying condition?!?!?!? What are your thoughts? Beth Brawn I eat a lot of sugar, and sich I`ve been on CS the candida has never returned. Marshalee
Re: CSSource for recipes?
From: John Reeder jree...@sbcglobal.net Hello Jack, Why the emphatic 'no'? John It was an attention getter - it worked. :-) Well based on all of the information I have found here and on the web ONLY steam distilled water is without contaminants and therefore suitable for producing silver particles. I can probably go into the archives and dig out the info, but it has been stated frequently on the list.Are you putting me on? :-) Jack
Re: CSReal CS Questions
Hi John, The amount of particles increases as the PPM goes upthat is to a certain point and at that point particles begin to agglomerate. At the same time you can see the color change go from clear to golden or yellow and colors continue to change as the mix gets stronger. So for the best CS, with the most amount of particles in a given measure of water I would try to stay in the clear range and if someone felt they needed more particles then just take more of the water rather than trying to make it stronger. Unless the particles are agglomerating, the ionic particles are the same size and only the clusters of atoms making colloidal particles are larger. Stirring definitely helps keep particles from colliding and as a consequence agglomerating. Our CS is always crystal clear and I attributite to several things, Constant current control, larger surface area electrodes and stirring all contribute to good CS Hope this helps. Trem - Original Message - From: John Reeder To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 12:07 PM Subject: RE: CSReal CS Questions Thanks Trem, What physically happens as the cs is being made? I know that the ppm gets higher and higher as the water turns color. My question is, I guess, does the number of particles increase as the ppm goes up or do the particles just get larger? Seems like what we want is more of the small particles and not the larger ones. ??? Does the stirring keep the particles smaller? John -Original Message- From: Trem [mailto:t...@silvergen.com] Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 9:36 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSReal CS Questions Hi John, Neither. It's a measure of weight. 1 PPM = 1 mg. silver in 1 liter of water. Swallowing a 1 mg. chunk of silver isn't going to do much good. What really counts is how many particles can that chunk can be divided into. More particles equals more bang for the buck. Clear CS has the smallest particles. Trem - Original Message - From: John Reeder To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 9:04 AM Subject: RE: CSReal CS Questions Question: Does the acronym 'ppm' refer to particle size or number of particles in solution? John -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 8:07 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSReal CS Questions Beth wrote: I had a DR's wife approach me at work yesterday about CS. (I work at a health food store) She said her husbands book mentions that only 5 ppm should be taken and anything over that could be dangerous. Also, that it shouldn't be taken long term. Now, from reading the posts here it sounds like many of you have been taking it for years and are taking over 5 ppm. Her husbands book is a medical book. She refused to buy our store products which range from 10 ppm to 45 ppm. All of which I've taken but only when needed for sinus infections. My boyfriend however would like to take them regularly as he has asthma. What is safe to take and will it help his asthma? Giving a limit on the ppm of cs without giving a limit on how much to take is nonsense. That is, if you have 10 ppm and dilute it with an equal amount of distilled water, they you will have 5 ppm. Now, when you get up above 20 ppm, I do tend to agree with that since the particles will start getting bigger, a simple dilution will not necessarily make it the same as CS produced at that ppm. CS may help asthma. Killing any pathogens that are present, might help the body stabalize its immune system. Also, I have my grandmother taking it. She is 86 and recently had a fever over 104. I finally convinced my mother to put her on the CS after 5 days of a high fever. Her fever was gone the next am and has come back slightly now and then since. She is drinking a ton of water, Could the CS make her thirsty? (I know she didn't drink much while she was sick so maybe she's making up for lost fluids. I would not expect CS to may one thirsty. However any toxins in the body can certainly cause that. This can be anything from elevated sugar in the blood, to heavy metals released by eating garlic, or toxins released when pathogens die. Marshall
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Re: CScolloidal color
There is about 10% of the total silver in particles which show up as a Tyndall Effect when using a laser. The highest intensity of reflected light is at the wavelength of the laser. So 632 nm size particles will reflect the most light. 1-2 nm particles reflect a very small percentage of the light. Most home systems make a strong TE because the particles are mostly in the 10 - 90 nm range. The clear as water look is because the particles are so scarce they don't really block much light. If most of the silver was particles, the color would appear darker. frank key - Original Message - From: Arnold Beland abel...@tampabay.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 3:31 PM Subject: Re: CScolloidal color Frank, You said: If it is clear, it is ionic silver, not colloidal silver. Mesosilver is the only brown colored silver colloid with nanometer sized particles. If this is true, perhaps you could tell me what is scattering my 650nm laser beam when directed into my clear solution? Arnold Beland - Original Message - From: Frank Key fr...@strsoft.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 2:57 PM Subject: Re: CScolloidal color If it is clear, it is ionic silver, not colloidal silver. Mesosilver is the only brown colored silver colloid with nanometer sized particles. As explained on the website: Unlike most colloidal silver products, Mesosilver is a clear brown colored liquid, looking like dark iced tea. It is the very high concentration of mesosilver particles, not size or contamination, that gives Mesosilver its distinctive coloration. Previously, it was thought that such a brown color indicated the presence of large silver particles, which is the case for colloidal silver produced by methods other than the mesoprocess. The small size of the silver particles is confirmed by the use of a state-of-the-art scientific instrument designed specifically for measuring such small particles called a Photon Correlation Spectrometer (PCS). The PCS used during the development of Mesosilver was manufactured by Malvern Instruments, Ltd. of the United Kingdom, one of the foremost producers of such equipment in the world. The particle size report from the Malvern PCS confirms the claimed size of 1.4 nm for Mesosilver. frank key - Original Message - From: form...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 1:35 PM Subject: CScolloidal color Hello, I just switched my subscription to this new e-mail so I will have all of my silver info in one place. Does anyone have opinions on color? Some companies say only the brown silver is good,and others say only the totally clear is good and to NEVER take the brown. Also, ionic vs. colloidalI've been reading that ionic cannot be used internally because our digestive system destroys it before it can do any good, and that we need to take the colloidal instead. Some companies list the breakdown of the silver and what percentage of it is colloidal and ionic. Any thought on this? Also, someone on this list mentioned knowing about doctors using it and even injecting it. Where can I find these doctors? Summer -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS and Vitamin E Combined Effects comment
Dear Mr. Dayton, Your observation is quite correct.natural vitamin E is a fat-soluble vitamin. I was remiss in not being somewhat more specificto be more correct I should have stated water dispersible form. These are producedalmost exclusivelyin solubilizing powder form. Actually, a majority of them are emulsion-based compositions produced in a powdered/tablet form. While not yielding a true solution, they provide quite adequate dispersion charactersfor the applications in which we employed them. My apologies for any misconceptions I may have engendered on your part. Sincerely, Brooks bradley. p.s. Such powders are widely available from both supplement supply businesses and from across the Internet. Jack Dayton wrote: Brooks Bradley. wrote: p.s. Just the simple application of liquid d-alpha vitamin E (from a common vitamin gel-cap), applied to injuries/burns was determined to be quite effective in scar-formation reductions--an alternative medicine protocol quite widely implemented today. Hi Brooks, we keep E capsules in the medicine cabinet alone with a pin for piercing, - have for many years. I think of E as an oily vitamin, although there is a dry form, but I have never known about a 'water soluble vitamin E' - I have never seen any mention of it. Where can I find a source? Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSSource for recipes?
Re: CSSource for recipes?No, I am not putting you on. Just wondering. BTW, is WalMart DW steam-distilled? John -Original Message- From: Jack Dayton [mailto:jack...@harbornet.com] Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 3:52 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSource for recipes? From: John Reeder jree...@sbcglobal.net Hello Jack, Why the emphatic 'no'? John It was an attention getter - it worked. :-) Well based on all of the information I have found here and on the web ONLY steam distilled water is without contaminants and therefore suitable for producing silver particles. I can probably go into the archives and dig out the info, but it has been stated frequently on the list.Are you putting me on? :-) Jack
RE: CSReal CS Questions
Thanks Trem, good information. I just need to get the stirring started. John -Original Message- From: Trem [mailto:t...@silvergen.com] Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 4:24 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSReal CS Questions Hi John, The amount of particles increases as the PPM goes upthat is to a certain point and at that point particles begin to agglomerate. At the same time you can see the color change go from clear to golden or yellow and colors continue to change as the mix gets stronger. So for the best CS, with the most amount of particles in a given measure of water I would try to stay in the clear range and if someone felt they needed more particles then just take more of the water rather than trying to make it stronger. Unless the particles are agglomerating, the ionic particles are the same size and only the clusters of atoms making colloidal particles are larger. Stirring definitely helps keep particles from colliding and as a consequence agglomerating. Our CS is always crystal clear and I attributite to several things, Constant current control, larger surface area electrodes and stirring all contribute to good CS Hope this helps. Trem - Original Message - From: John Reeder To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 12:07 PM Subject: RE: CSReal CS Questions Thanks Trem, What physically happens as the cs is being made? I know that the ppm gets higher and higher as the water turns color. My question is, I guess, does the number of particles increase as the ppm goes up or do the particles just get larger? Seems like what we want is more of the small particles and not the larger ones. ??? Does the stirring keep the particles smaller? John -Original Message- From: Trem [mailto:t...@silvergen.com] Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 9:36 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSReal CS Questions Hi John, Neither. It's a measure of weight. 1 PPM = 1 mg. silver in 1 liter of water. Swallowing a 1 mg. chunk of silver isn't going to do much good. What really counts is how many particles can that chunk can be divided into. More particles equals more bang for the buck. Clear CS has the smallest particles. Trem - Original Message - From: John Reeder To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 9:04 AM Subject: RE: CSReal CS Questions Question: Does the acronym 'ppm' refer to particle size or number of particles in solution? John -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 8:07 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSReal CS Questions Beth wrote: I had a DR's wife approach me at work yesterday about CS. (I work at a health food store) She said her husbands book mentions that only 5 ppm should be taken and anything over that could be dangerous. Also, that it shouldn't be taken long term. Now, from reading the posts here it sounds like many of you have been taking it for years and are taking over 5 ppm. Her husbands book is a medical book. She refused to buy our store products which range from 10 ppm to 45 ppm. All of which I've taken but only when needed for sinus infections. My boyfriend however would like to take them regularly as he has asthma. What is safe to take and will it help his asthma? Giving a limit on the ppm of cs without giving a limit on how much to take is nonsense. That is, if you have 10 ppm and dilute it with an equal amount of distilled water, they you will have 5 ppm. Now, when you get up above 20 ppm, I do tend to agree with that since the particles will start getting bigger, a simple dilution will not necessarily make it the same as CS produced at that ppm. CS may help asthma. Killing any pathogens that are present, might help the body stabalize its immune system. Also, I have my grandmother taking it. She is 86 and recently had a fever over 104. I finally convinced my mother to put her on the CS after 5 days of a high fever. Her fever was gone the next am and has come back slightly now and then since. She is drinking a ton of water, Could the CS make her thirsty? (I know she didn't drink much while she was sick so maybe she's making up for lost fluids. I would not expect CS to may one thirsty. However any toxins in the body can certainly cause that. This can be anything from elevated sugar in the blood, to heavy metals released by eating garlic, or toxins released when pathogens die. Marshall
Re: CSmosquito larvae
My baby KOI take care of mosquito larvae real quick. In fact I set out garbage cans filled with water to supply the KOIs with live food. I seem to be one of the few that raises mosquito larvae. Brickey -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSsilver uses
Can ANYONE list some commercial uses of silver other then the bandages at silverlon and other then the burn centers use it? In regards to healing that is... Respectfully, Rich Adams -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSToxicity of ionic gold
Those interested in ionic gold products should be advised that such products are usually gold chloride. WaterOZ Ionic Gold is an example. Here is a link to a Material Safety Data Sheet for gold chloride. . http://www.espimetals.com/msds's/goldchloride.pdf Notice in section V, Health Hazard Data, the Emergency And First Aid Procedures for INGESTION: Seek immediate medical attention. frank key -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSUltrasonic nebulizer
Hello everyone, I just received my ultrasonic nebulizer today and it works much better than the used compressor type I had and is completely quiet. It goes through 5ml of CS very quickly (4-5 min) although it leaves about 1/2 ml inside the med cup. I am extremely pleased with it. Hopefully it will get rid of this crud living in my lungs finally. I'll keep in touch with the results. Richard Sobe
Re: CSUsing the lists well...
Thank you Mike. This is a clarification and the absolute last thing I have to say on the matter: Let me tell you why I love the Silver List. It is . a place I can express my views (or read others) without being called a health nut, or just a nut, etc. This is a prejudice we have probably all faced because we don't just accept. We challenge and search for truth. In this place even people with opposing views in life can share a discourse that might not happen face to face. I commented because crash landing offended me on several levels. Some people understood, some over analyzed, some objected to my taking offense. If you were walking your little girl to school and a man was urinating on a tree in front of your door. Offensive? You go to church on Sunday morning and a Stripper is doing her act in the back pew. Offensive? My point? There is a time and place for every thing-even racist views. I don't go to Hate Sites and demand they stop their racist statements. Since I don't want to be subjected to their views I don't go to their site. I do come to the Silver List because I like what is being said and I don't want that to change. . Gladys P.S. Calling ONLY Black or African American people colored is just as offensive as darkie or coon. No one is colorless, WE are therefore ALL colored. P.P.S. Thank you to all who prayed for my son, that was also off-topic, but an emergency. It all ended well and he is OK. Prayer works. If anyone ever needs me to return the favor--just e-mail me privately. On Sun, 16 Jun 2002 10:11:24 + M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com writes: Hi all, We have a list mission that is focused on Colloidal Silver. Experience has taught, however, that people always have questions (and answers) that overlap into other areas of health. Great good has come from this sharing of expertise and experience. That is why permissible topics for the list include *any* health related question (What can I do for blank?) and answers can include things related to CS, as well as those that don't. The difference is that health related threads not about CS should end within, say, ten posts or so, or migrate to private e-mail or another, more appropriate forum. Hopefully that's enough opportunity to answer basic questions about another alternative, and/or identify important resources for the questioner to follow up on. CS related topics, of course, can be discussed until they're exhausted (or we are!), provided folks observe the other rules on courtesy, commercial promotion, prohibited topics, etc. Complete list rules are published at: http://www.silverlist.org I have provided a list that folks can use for discussions that need to be taken elsewhere, the silver-off-topic-list. See: http://www.silverlist.org/OffTopic.html Every Silver List member in good standing can post messages to the Off Topic List. You can read the Off Topic List at the archives at: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html If you don't want to receive extra e-mail, then that's all you need to know. You can post any time you want to, and follow off-topic threads by visiting the archives. If you want to get the Off Topic List in e-mail, as you do the Silver List, just follow the subscription instructions at the web page above. The better we get at using the Off Topic List, the more focused we can be on the Silver List. Hopefully this will satisfy those who just have to let it out as well as those who need us to stay on track. Be well, Mike Devour silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSUltrasonic nebulizer
Richard, May I ask what brand/model? Rich Adams - Original Message - Hello everyone, I just received my ultrasonic nebulizer today -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSlooking to buy electrodes
CS Enthusiasts, I'll be in the U.S in a few weeks, and hope to purchase electrodes while there. In particular I'm looking for strips, somewhere around 2 mm. thick x 7 mm. wide x 25 cms. long, but something in that ballpark would do, and I'll use these for high voltage generators, after Terry Chamberlain's excellant design. Can anyone tell me where I can find similar electrodes? Is there a web site? Alternativley I'm considering buying U.S., standing liberty dollar coins, of the type that read, 'one oz. fine silver,' which I believe to be 999. These should roll out to about the dimensions I indicated, and I believe they're about $10 per coin. Any thoughts from the list would be appreciated. Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSlooking to buy electrodes
. silver wire, 12 gauge, is available on Ebay every day, as well as Canadian Silver Maple Leaf coins, which are also four nines in purity. Best Regards, Arnold Beland - Original Message - From: Reid Harvey ceram...@bol-online.com To: silver list silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 11:11 PM Subject: CSlooking to buy electrodes CS Enthusiasts, I'll be in the U.S in a few weeks, and hope to purchase electrodes while there. In particular I'm looking for strips, somewhere around 2 mm. thick x 7 mm. wide x 25 cms. long, but something in that ballpark would do, and I'll use these for high voltage generators, after Terry Chamberlain's excellant design. Can anyone tell me where I can find similar electrodes? Is there a web site? Alternativley I'm considering buying U.S., standing liberty dollar coins, of the type that read, 'one oz. fine silver,' which I believe to be 999. These should roll out to about the dimensions I indicated, and I believe they're about $10 per coin. Any thoughts from the list would be appreciated. Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSUltrasonic nebulizer
Of course Rich, It is a Mystique by Air Sep. 2 yr warranty, adjustable air flow and runs on a timer so it automatically shuts off after 10 mins of use. Richard - Original Message - From: Rich Adams Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 8:56 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSUltrasonic nebulizer Richard, May I ask what brand/model? Rich Adams - Original Message - Hello everyone, I just received my ultrasonic nebulizer today -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSlooking to buy electrodes
Sounds like a plan! Personally, I'd go with the bullion coins as they are easy to get via 'net or in almost any city that has a coin dealer. Chuck Monday is an awful way to spend 1/7th of your life On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:11:22 +0600, Reid Harvey ceram...@bol-online.com wrote: Alternativley I'm considering buying U.S., standing liberty dollar coins, of the type that read, 'one oz. fine silver,' which I believe to be 999. These should roll out to about the dimensions I indicated, and I believe they're about $10 per coin. Any thoughts from the list would be appreciated. Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSlooking to buy electrodes
i did a quick google search on the u.s. standing liberty dollar. it of issuance by the u.s. mint, which means that it is made of coin silver which is about .92% pure. this is not acceptable for making colloidal silver. 92% is the equivalent to . 920 pure. you need to purchase either the canadian maple leaf 1 oz coin, at . fine silver, or the many silver rounds from the many silver producers, and they are stamped as .999 fine. this means that they are from .9990 to .9998 pure, but not the . that canada puts into their maple leaf. most coin dealers will also carrry the pure silver wire, in either 14 guage, or maybe 12 guage pure. these are the desired wires. do not buy any wire that is sterling wire, as that is also about .920 %. will make very dangerous cs. and, welcome to the united states of america. jim - Original Message - From: Reid Harvey ceram...@bol-online.com To: silver list silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 8:11 PM Subject: CSlooking to buy electrodes CS Enthusiasts, I'll be in the U.S in a few weeks, and hope to purchase electrodes while there. In particular I'm looking for strips, somewhere around 2 mm. thick x 7 mm. wide x 25 cms. long, but something in that ballpark would do, and I'll use these for high voltage generators, after Terry Chamberlain's excellant design. Can anyone tell me where I can find similar electrodes? Is there a web site? Alternativley I'm considering buying U.S., standing liberty dollar coins, of the type that read, 'one oz. fine silver,' which I believe to be 999. These should roll out to about the dimensions I indicated, and I believe they're about $10 per coin. Any thoughts from the list would be appreciated. Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSsilver uses
They used to put silver nitrate in the eyes of newborns to prevent blindness. Rich Adams wrote: Can ANYONE list some commercial uses of silver other then the bandages at silverlon and other then the burn centers use it? In regards to healing that is... Respectfully, Rich Adams -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
