Re: CSCS photos before and after H2O2 added
Ode Coyote wrote: ... placing memory only tells you where you left your doorway to it, not where it is. The doorway could be descibed as 'intent'...as in, This is where I'm going to look for what is all around me So, it's not just the water that holds intent and memory no matter where you think you put it, it's the entire omniverse. But in the onmiverse, there is no discrimination as to access. A particular discovery may appear in a scientist's mind in a second. It may take years to test the idea and put this discovery into words others can understand. The perception is then considered by other scientists and related to information coming in from other sources. The information is either ignored or passed along to the whole community of scientists, and perhaps to the public as well. So when you think of the coming together phase, associate it with words like desire, wanting, loveintent. To the many of us with a crowning achievement in nothing.- Robert Berger http://www.this-magic-sea.com/THREAD.HTM With regards Lew - Original Message - DATE: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:57:11 From: Robert Berger bober...@swbell.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: Dear Ode Coyote (Ken) I have read a lot of dribble in my long life, but this post is a crowning achievement in nothing. Where do you find such foolishness? Ole Bob Ode Coyote wrote: It is being shown that memory itself is holographic and nonlocal. If true, it would stand to reason that it would stay wherever it was placed by whatever means was used to place it there...but since it's nonlocal, could be accessed from anywhere... placing memory only tells you where you left your doorway to it, not where it is. The doorway could be descibed as 'intent'...as in, This is where I'm going to look for what is all around me So, it's not just the water that holds intent and memory no matter where you think you put it, it's the entire omniverse. But in the onmiverse, there is no discrimination as to access. If you truely believe it's lost...it is...to you, because your true intent is to 'not' find it. A person who is fully aware of their true intent would be known as a Avatar or the equivalent. The rest removed to conserve bandwidth. Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005
Re: CSRe: PWT its Limits
Hi Andy, On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 00:46:18 EDT, ascottsil...@aol.com wrote: Sounds like you have a good unit on the market. Whether you like it or not, it is measuring current. Technically, you're correct, as all voltage measurements are really current measurements. Voltage is calculated by measuring the current through a known resistance (10 megOhms or whatever). But maybe you missed the point where Trem said that his unit is constant current. That is, the voltage starts out high to push as much current through the unit as is possible given the very high resistance of distilled water. Once the current gets to the set point (equals the designed-in constant current limit), then the voltage across the electrodes starts to drop. It's this dropping voltage that eventually triggers the shut-off mechanism. Trem's unit does compensate for DW variations, automatically, through it's constant-current operation. (And the unit even tells you if your DW is pure enough to make good CS.) -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS photos before and after H2O2 added
I was unable to access them - there was a long story as to why Any other suggestions? Thanksomuch Yvonne :o) - Original Message - From: Charles Sutton cds...@earthlink.net To: jrowl...@nctimes.net; silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 5:43 AM Subject: Re: CSCS photos before and after H2O2 added That's it. Don't have any clue why it didn't come through as I sent it.. - Original Message - From: jrowl...@nctimes.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 9:30 PM Subject: CSCS photos before and after H2O2 added http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m61880.html Whatever it was didn't come through, BUT these photos were found at the site: ...I was very curious about if the hydrogen peroxide really does make the particles smaller, so I asked my brother Brian who works for a water reclamation plant if they would have a way for me to see what the CS looks like before and after adding the peroxide... The picture on the left is CS without Hydrogen Peroxide...On the right is with the (H2O2): http://www.msrebel.com/colloidal_silver_ms_treatment.htm jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSSystem PH
HiI have finally bought some ph strips and tested myself. My morning urine is 5.3. I've been on the water cure for 3 weeks now.so I don't know how low my ph was before that. My water here (very good well) tests nearly 9 after adding my sea salt. I've been drinking a gallon every day. I would like some more advice on raising my ph more. I am also adding HRX from altcancer.com to my water which raises it to 10. I'm really confused about the whole lemon - calcium ph thing. I'm not sure when to take my lemon waterand when and how much calcium to take because I know the two try to cancel each other out. As always, your advice makes a difference to me.if you have advice or more questionsplease respond..thanks!Robb -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSystem PH
Hi.I'm using HRX in All of my water that I drink..and I don't drink anything else. my salive seems to be high alreadyat about 7 ph first thing in the morningI don't know what this means.?. I havn't been monitoring it from the beginning because I didn't have any ph strips in the beginning. I am getting some coral calcium and I plan to add that to my water when it arrives. I havn't noticed any decrease in pain..I guess I'll have to wait and seethanksRobb - Original Message - From: Jason Eaton ey...@cox.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 10:42 AM Subject: Re: CSSystem PH Robb: I'm very glad you've decided to adjust you body's ph level. A. What is the measurement of your saliva in the morning, midday, and evening? B. Take it easy on the calcium while you adjust your body's PH level. Are you using Hrx in all of your water, raising it to 9.5-10.0? If so: Continue with what you are doing. Depending on your soft tissue ph levels, you may go through a pretty big shift shortly. I noticed that one's primary systems begin to adjust, the acid starts being pulled from the soft tissues and must be elimininated via the lymphatic system. Have you tracked your levels daily since beginning? If you have to reduce either lemon water or calcium at this point, I would choose the calcium. The lemon is great body cleanser, and when PH levels are corrected in the body, the body is capable of naturally adsorbing and utilizing more calcium. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Robb Allen rube2...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 6:05 AM Subject: CSSystem PH HiI have finally bought some ph strips and tested myself. My morning urine is 5.3. I've been on the water cure for 3 weeks now.so I don't know how low my ph was before that. My water here (very good well) tests nearly 9 after adding my sea salt. I've been drinking a gallon every day. I would like some more advice on raising my ph more. I am also adding HRX from altcancer.com to my water which raises it to 10. I'm really confused about the whole lemon - calcium ph thing. I'm not sure when to take my lemon waterand when and how much calcium to take because I know the two try to cancel each other out. As always, your advice makes a difference to me.if you have advice or more questionsplease respond..thanks!Robb -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSSilverGen specs.
Hi Andy, Thanks for your compliment. Sorry but the circuit doesn't measure current. It regulates current and measures voltage drop across the electrodes in the cell. I use no zener for comparing voltage. I use a potentiometer to set the trip point and use an op amp to operate a relay for shutdown. I have no interest in redesigning the wheel. It's been working perfectly for well over 5 years now and I see no reason to change. Thanks for your suggestion though. Regards, Trem - Original Message - From: ascottsil...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 9:46 PM Subject: [silver_list] CSRe: PWT its Limits Hi Trem, Sounds like you have a good unit on the market. Whether you like it or not, it is measuring current. Voltage and current are inversely proportional through a load (the resistance of your CS solution). With a constant current source it is measuring the voltage drop across the solution to trip the comparator. Semiconductors, like comparators trip at a voltage offset. Usually there is a resistor voltage divider to convert the current to voltage. A zener diode or some other voltage reference sets up the trip point. Current goes up, voltage goes down and vise versa. It's just a matter of perspective. Since a 14 pin DIP package contains 4 comparators you could probably make one that compensates for the DW variations without much modifications. Just a brain fart... Andy (^_^) From: Trem Hi Andy, Since you asked.we use a voltage comparator to shut our units off. We calibrate the SG6 so the production light does not come on if the water is under about 2 uS which gives the user a general idea of water quality. If the light doesn't come on then the length of time it does take to come on will indicate water conductivity in a roundabout way. Longer time means better water. We do NOT measure current. It is limited and is a constant once the unit is up to speed. That function is indicated by the production light being fully lit. From then on the voltage across the electrodes is continually reducing in order to maintain the constant current. So, it makes little difference what the water volume is..the unit runs until the voltage comparator senses the preset voltage on the front dial is the same as the voltage across the electrode. The unit then shuts down. At that point one can use a PWT meter and get a rough idea of the amount of silver in the water by subtracting the initial water reading and adding a correction factor. If one does not have a meter it makes little difference since the unit checked the water at startup and would have been less than 2 uS. I'd say it's plenty good enough. If someone waits a while and turns the unit off and back on again it will add more silver to the water. We calibrate them to work properly from startup to shutdown. I hope this helps you. Regards, Trem Williams http://www.silvergen.com - Original Message - From: ascottsil...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 9:03 PM Subject: [silver_list] Re: CSPWT its Limits Hi Bob and Dan, When I try to measure CS with a DC ohm meter it acts like either a capacitor or a battery which makes sense. I've got two electrodes in an electrolyte so it is either charging or discharging through the meter (which is supplying current to make the measurement). Just the process of making CS is charging up the battery so current restart Bob mentioned makes sense. Measuring the AC impedance rather than the DC resistance (as Ole Bob suggests) would also seem to make more sense. I would assume that the commercial units with automatic shutoff are measuring current by using a voltage divider and a comparator. When a set value is reached they turn off. I doubt that they measure the initial starting current and adjust for variations of DW conductivity. Of course, if the generator runs on a timer, it's probably garbage. Good questions to ask the manufacturer if they provide an auto shutoff feature. Ole Bob - Just out of curiosity, what kind of variations are you seeing between batches when you try to keep everything exactly the same? Best Regards, Andy From: Robert Berger Hi Dan, With our posteriors exposed we find that when using a DC ohm meter it is necessary to swish the electrodes in short rapid strokes to keep the reading from climbing. Generally when measuring a resistance of a liquid or soil it is done with an AC ohmmeter and preferably one running at 180 Hertz or faster. The commercial units do measure conductivity to determine when the proces is finished. The generators will not start if the conductivity of the DW
Re: CSSystem PH
Dear Robb, You said: I'm really confused about the whole lemon - calcium ph thing. I'm not sure when to take my lemon waterand when and how much calcium to take because I know the two try to cancel each other out. ** Have you figured out yet what type of calcium is metabolically correct for you? If you're taking the wrong type for you. Your pH can worsen if you're taking the wrong type of calcium. Where did you hear that lemon and calcium try to cancel each other out.? Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: PWT its Limits
ascottsil...@aol.com 8/11/03 9:46 PM Wrote: Current goes up, voltage goes down and people ride in a hole in the ground New York,New York ... Sorry, I just couldn't resist the opening. :-) Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilverGen specs.
Trem 8/12/03 8:28 AM Wrote: Thanks for your compliment. Sorry but the circuit doesn't measure current. It regulates current and measures voltage drop across the electrodes in the cell. I use no zener for comparing voltage. I use a potentiometer to set the trip point and use an op amp to operate a relay for shutdown. *** Now, I hope you all get that, there's going to be a test later. ( Well, there goes my grades.) Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSystem PH
My health food store guru told me that coral calcium was right for me..?I don't know...I am just assuming that lemon and calcium cancel each other out...because lemon is acidand calcium is alkaline..Robb - Original Message - From: C Creel ccr...@adelphia.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 1:46 PM Subject: Re: CSSystem PH Dear Robb, You said: I'm really confused about the whole lemon - calcium ph thing. I'm not sure when to take my lemon waterand when and how much calcium to take because I know the two try to cancel each other out. ** Have you figured out yet what type of calcium is metabolically correct for you? If you're taking the wrong type for you. Your pH can worsen if you're taking the wrong type of calcium. Where did you hear that lemon and calcium try to cancel each other out.? Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: CS photos before and after H2O2 added
http://www.msrebel.com/colloidal_silver_ms_treatment.htm I was unable to access them...Any other suggestions?---Yvonne See if you can get to her homepage, http://www.msrebel.com and click on 16 oz. colloidal silver link in 2nd paragraph. jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSystem PH
Dear Robb, You said, My health food store guru told me that coral calcium was right for me..?I don't know...I am just assuming that lemon and calcium cancel each other out...because lemon is acidand calcium is alkaline How does the health food store guru know your metabolic type? Without that knowledge he/she cannot make this recommendation. http://www.bloodph.com/research/nutrihome.html Lemon is only acidic outside the body. In the body it acts as an alkalizing agent. http://www.healthlibrary.com/reading/ncure/chap11.htm Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilverGen specs.
url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m61919.html Re: CSSilverGen specs. From: Jack Dayton Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:36:52 Trem 8/12/03 8:28 AM Wrote: Thanks for your compliment. Sorry but the circuit doesn't measure current. It regulates current and measures voltage drop across the electrodes in the cell. I use no zener for comparing voltage. I use a potentiometer to set the trip point and use an op amp to operate a relay for shutdown. Now, I hope you all get that, there's going to be a test later. (Well, there goes my grades.) Jack There's many different ways to do it. Maybe this will help. (View in fixed width font.) Cell |\ --- \ --|+\| | \ Ref | \ | Relay | ^ \- Vin | \--| | | | | / | | --- To Cell / Vadj | / | | \-|-/ --- / |/ \ | | --- - When the cell voltage drops below Vadj, the op amp turns the relay on or off, depending on how it is connected. The relay contacts open and remove the voltage to the cell. The cell voltage then drops to a low value and holds the op amp in the shutdown state. This is a simple approach and is used by other cs generators. A series pass transistor or MOSFET can be used to replace the relay. The circuit needs some kind of bypass to allow the process to start. It could be a simple switch across the relay contacts, but it is probably a bit more complicated to allow the circuit to sense the initial conductance of the dw. This approach works quite well for general use, but there are several problems. One is the slope of the cell voltage changes very slowly at the end of the process. If the pot is adjusted for maximum ppm, it will be very close to the trip point at the end of the brew time, and a small amount of noise or a bit of vibration that causes waves in the solution can terminate the process early. So the ppm may vary from one run to the next. Probably not enough to notice, but it's part of the process repeatability. Another problem with using the cell voltage to terminate the process is the sensitivity to the initial conductance of the dw. So the ppm may change with different brands of dw. A different approach can provide much better process repeatibility. I recently posted information on a Cheap, High-Compliance Constant Current Source http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m61896.html This can set the cell current to the desired level regardless of changes in conductance. Then you can use the Faraday equation to determine the brew time, and turn the power off at the desired time. If you have good quality dw and run at very low current density, you can go well past the point where gray whiskers start forming on the cathode. Even though some of the silver ions are diverted to making sludge, the cell conductance continues to drop. This indicates some ions are remaining in solution. Then, if you use electrodes that have no sharp edges or bends, you can make high ppm cs that won't turn yellow. I did this with Godzilla. The electrodes are 48 inches of 12 ga wound into a spiral. They sit horizontally in a Pyrex 2 litre measuring cup. There are no sharp bends anywhere to cause production of silver oxide from the Ag(+) and OH(-) ions at the concentration points. I had some problems with the hard black coat produced by the new WallMart dw, but running a few batches with the Life dw eventually cleaned both electrodes and they now run clean. Now I can push the process well past the point where the solution in my previous cs generator would simply turn yellow. The resulting cs gives a very strong dispersion in the salt test, but remains crystal clear with no sign of turning color. So the moral of the story is to get rid of all the sharp edges and run constant current if you want to make repeatable, high ppm cs! Best Regards, Mike Monett P.S. Be on the lookout for viruses. I got another one from the list today, but my spam program kicked it out as usual. They won't run on my system, so I have no worries. But others may not be so lucky. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilverGen specs.
Well, there are a couple of minor mistakes. I did not make it clear that each electrode is 48 inches of 12 ga. This gives about 11.5 sq. in. of wetted area for each electrode, or 23 total. But you really don't care about the total wetted area - it's the maximum current density at either electrode that matters. Also, I really goofed in this statement: the cell conductance continues to drop Actually, the resistance drops. The conductance increases. I'll probably continue making that mistake forever:) Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSystem PH
I have no idea what bloodtype I have..?Robb - Original Message - From: C Creel ccr...@adelphia.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 5:09 PM Subject: Re: CSSystem PH Dear Robb, You said, My health food store guru told me that coral calcium was right for me..?I don't know...I am just assuming that lemon and calcium cancel each other out...because lemon is acidand calcium is alkaline How does the health food store guru know your metabolic type? Without that knowledge he/she cannot make this recommendation. http://www.bloodph.com/research/nutrihome.html Lemon is only acidic outside the body. In the body it acts as an alkalizing agent. http://www.healthlibrary.com/reading/ncure/chap11.htm Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilverGen specs.
Mike Monett 8/12/03 2:47 PM Wrote: Actually, the resistance drops. The conductance increases. I'll probably continue making that mistake forever:) Can't you recognize a joke when you see one. I couldn't care less, I'm sure Trem realized that I didn't have the remotest idea what he was talking about. As long as my SG 6 keeps working, and producing the same CS results, I really couldn't care less about the details. Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilverGen specs.
I couldn't care less I'm sorry Jack - I thought you were sincere. My mistake. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSSilverGen specs.
Hi Mike,
You just don't get it do you? To say that one cannot make high PPM CS using
flat electrodes is completely incorrect. Our generators work perfectly with
flat electrodes and I have some CS that is almost 3 years old that is 45 PPM
and is still crystal clear. Stirring is what makes the difference and
moving the ions away from the anode is paramount to making good CS. Your
constant criticism of using flat electrodes is getting a bit irritating
since you don't have any experience using them. I'll say it one last
time.our generators use flat electrodes and do NOT make yellow CS.
And to say the using a MOSFET or series transistor may work better instead
of a relay for shutdown is a bit presumptuous. Any leakage current can
still allow current to flow in the cell. If one is not ready to completely
shut the unit off at the completion of a cycle and there is some leakage,
the PPM will continue to increase. A relay removes all current and voltage
from the electrodes and is a much better choice as far as I am concerned.
It is especially important to remove ALL voltage and current because many
people are inclined to start their generator at night and have the CS ready
in the morning or else start it in the morning before leaving for work or
errands. At least one will be assured there will be no possible current
flow after shutdown.
And to say that a possible bit of static electricity or a possible spike can
possibly skew the shutdown point is really stretching it. I cannot cause
any of our units to shut down prematurely by running brush type motors such
an electric drill near them. Come ongive it up. This isn't rocket
science. A relatively simple, good design with good layout is all that's
necessary. We have it.
Of course the initial conductivity of the DW can skew the end PPM but we
point that out in our instructions and as a matter of fact the generator
will test the water at startup. If it is over 2 to 3 uS it will indicate so
and the operator can then get better water. So what if the end product has
a bit less silver in the water. Do you think anyone really cares? People
drink anything from a few PPM's to very strong concentrations and also use
anywhere from a very small amount every once in a while to a gallon per day.
With such wide parameters, who's counting beans in the CS?
And the simple answer to restarting the process is to do nothing more than
turn the unit off and then back on. It resets itself. Nothing more
sophisticated than an ON/OFF switch is necessary.
Regards,
Trem Williams
- Original Message -
From: Mike Monett b9eemj...@sneakemail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 2:24 PM
Subject: [silver_list] Re: CSSilverGen specs.
url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m61919.html
Re: CSSilverGen specs.
From: Jack Dayton
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:36:52
Trem 8/12/03 8:28 AM Wrote:
Thanks for your compliment. Sorry but the circuit doesn't measure
current. It regulates current and measures voltage drop across
the electrodes in the cell. I use no zener for comparing voltage.
I use a potentiometer to set the trip point and use an op amp to
operate a relay for shutdown.
Now, I hope you all get that, there's going to be a test later.
(Well, there goes my grades.)
Jack
There's many different ways to do it.
Maybe this will help. (View in fixed width font.)
Cell |\ --- \
--|+\| | \
Ref | \ | Relay | ^ \- Vin
| \--| | |
| | / | | --- To Cell
/ Vadj | / | |
\-|-/ ---
/ |/
\
|
|
---
-
When the cell voltage drops below Vadj, the op amp turns the relay
on or off, depending on how it is connected.
The relay contacts open and remove the voltage to the cell. The cell
voltage then drops to a low value and holds the op amp in the
shutdown state.
This is a simple approach and is used by other cs generators. A
series pass transistor or MOSFET can be used to replace the relay.
The circuit needs some kind of bypass to allow the process to start.
It could be a simple switch across the relay contacts, but it is
probably a bit more complicated to allow the circuit to sense the
initial conductance of the dw.
This approach works quite well for general use, but there are
several problems. One is the slope of the cell voltage changes very
slowly at the end of the process.
If the pot is adjusted for maximum ppm, it will be very close to the
trip point at the end of the brew time, and a small amount of noise
or a bit of vibration that causes waves in the solution can
terminate the process early. So the ppm may vary from one run to the
next. Probably not
CSSilverGen specs.
url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m61928.html CSSilverGen specs. From: Trem Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:52:29 Hi Mike, You just don't get it do you? To say that one cannot make high PPM CS using flat electrodes is completely incorrect. Our generators work perfectly with flat electrodes and I have some CS that is almost 3 years old that is 45 PPM and is still crystal clear. Stirring is what makes the difference and moving the ions away from the anode is paramount to making good CS. Your constant criticism of using flat electrodes is getting a bit irritating since you don't have any experience using them. I'll say it one last time. our generators use flat electrodes and do NOT make yellow CS. Hey Trem, cool it. I was going on the figures you posted in response to my question, and Robert's measurements with flat plates. You stated that the highest ppm you can achieve in your production unit is 20 ppm, with a 20% fudge factor for oxide. That gives 16.7 ppm ionic. Robert measured around 11 ppm with flat plates with no stirring. I don't have time to look up the url's, but it's in the archives. Ken's Silverpuppy runs at 24 ppm. Knowing the problems he has had with you in the past on calibration solutions for the Hanna, and the care he takes with the numbers he posts, I tend to believe him. So that's 24 ppm for round 12 ga wire. A considerable improvement. But now you now state you can make 45 ppm that is crystal clear. Why didn't you say that before? And if you can, how soon can you put it in production? If you can make it, I'll buy it. Neither Ken nor myself can do that with round 12 ga. But first you have to show me. Send me some and I'll do a simple salt test and look at the dispersion:) And to say the using a MOSFET or series transistor may work better instead of a relay for shutdown is a bit presumptuous. Any leakage current can still allow current to flow in the cell. If one is not ready to completely shut the unit off at the completion of a cycle and there is some leakage, the PPM will continue to increase. A relay removes all current and voltage from the electrodes and is a much better choice as far as I am concerned. It is especially important to remove ALL voltage and current because many people are inclined to start their generator at night and have the CS ready in the morning or else start it in the morning before leaving for work or errands. At least one will be assured there will be no possible current flow after shutdown. I did not say it would work better. I said it would also work. Trem, here are my credentials: 31 years experience designing precision instrumentation in high-volume disk manufacturing. Invented a technique to measure the bit error rate of disk drives that became a worldwide standard and saved the industry hundreds of millions of dollars. I have 6 patents issued. Here's my patent list: http://www3.sympatico.ca/add.automation/patents.htm Latest invention is a new method of capturing wideband signals. It is ten times more accurate and has ten times the throughput of conventional sampling or digitizing scopes. I am in the process of rewriting the entire description to show recent results, but here is the current url: http://www3.sympatico.ca/add.automation/sampler/intro.htm Your are correct, a bipolar or MOSFET switch does have leakage in the off state. This can be in the nanoampere range. With 2 gal of dw, this would add 2e-6 ppm per hour, which is a totally insignificant amount. A relay also has measurable leakage and cannot be used in some sensitive circuits I design. But the greatest problem with leakage currents is the pcb itself. Look up guard ring. The residual flux used in soldering can also be a major problem. If you try to clean the pcb with alcohol, you can leave highly conductive salts that cause a short between traces. When the humidity gets high, this can cause an amazing amount of leakage. I have measured resistances as low as 10kohm between two traces. Again, I did not say a relay is bad. So cool it. And to say that a possible bit of static electricity or a possible spike can possibly skew the shutdown point is really stretching it. I cannot cause any of our units to shut down prematurely by running brush type motors such an electric drill near them. Come ongive it up. This isn't rocket science. A relatively simple, good design with good layout is all that's necessary. We have it. It depends on where you set the ppm adjustment. If you set it to 5 ppm, nothing will affect it. One thing you have in your favor is you are using an op amp as a comparator. I was going to mention this, but I
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Re: CSSilverGen specs.
url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m61929.html CSSilverGen specs. From: Mike Monett Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 18:32:39 Hi Trem, I just measured the ICBO leakage of the MJE350 in Godzilla's power supply. The spec is 100 uA at 300V bias, but it is a very old device and the processing has improved greatly. They still keep the old spec to be compatible: http://www.onsemi.com/pub/Collateral/MJE350-D.PDF The Keithley Model 177 has 10 meg input resistance. With 150V on the base of the MJE350 and the emitter open, I measure 1.36 millivolts on the Keithley. The ICBO leakage current is then 1.36e-3/1e7 = 1.36e-10 or about 0.1 nA This would reduce the overnight ppm increase to about 0.2e-6 ppm per hour in 2 gal. I wouldn't worry about it:) Your relay is fine. A MJE350 would also work. Designer's choice:) Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilverGen specs.
Evening Mike, I'll probably continue making that mistake forever:) Real technicians don't worry about that because they make the same mistakes. They read what you meant, not what you said. grin Wayne -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSystem PH
Robb: I'm very glad you've decided to adjust you body's ph level. A. What is the measurement of your saliva in the morning, midday, and evening? B. Take it easy on the calcium while you adjust your body's PH level. Are you using Hrx in all of your water, raising it to 9.5-10.0? If so: Continue with what you are doing. Depending on your soft tissue ph levels, you may go through a pretty big shift shortly. I noticed that one's primary systems begin to adjust, the acid starts being pulled from the soft tissues and must be elimininated via the lymphatic system. Have you tracked your levels daily since beginning? If you have to reduce either lemon water or calcium at this point, I would choose the calcium. The lemon is great body cleanser, and when PH levels are corrected in the body, the body is capable of naturally adsorbing and utilizing more calcium. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Robb Allen rube2...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 6:05 AM Subject: CSSystem PH HiI have finally bought some ph strips and tested myself. My morning urine is 5.3. I've been on the water cure for 3 weeks now.so I don't know how low my ph was before that. My water here (very good well) tests nearly 9 after adding my sea salt. I've been drinking a gallon every day. I would like some more advice on raising my ph more. I am also adding HRX from altcancer.com to my water which raises it to 10. I'm really confused about the whole lemon - calcium ph thing. I'm not sure when to take my lemon waterand when and how much calcium to take because I know the two try to cancel each other out. As always, your advice makes a difference to me.if you have advice or more questionsplease respond..thanks!Robb -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
