RE: CSUltrasonic Nebulizer and CS
-Original Message- From: JohnW Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 6:40 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSUltrasonic Nebulizer and CS Hi Group, I could use some help and information. snip... Hiya JohnW, Your condition might require something more than an ultrasonic nebulizer or humidifier, but I can say that after almost a year of an hour or more of daily use of CS in my ultrasonic humidifier, it certainly hasn't harmed me one iota. Mine is the Sunbeam #697, which you can see a little of, here: http://www.sunbeamhealth.com/productdetail.asp?id=28 I have modified the mist port on my unit and have placed some flexible PVC tubing over the port. This yard length of tubing allows me to place the exiting mist right next to my mouth or nose without me having to be right on top of the machine. When I first started using this device, I only inhaled via my mouth and found that my throat was a little sensitive to either the mist or the mist temperature, so much so that if I took too deep a breath, the resulting tickle was so strong, it would make me cough. I switched to inhaling the mist only via my nose and all such sensitivity went away. I keep facial tissues handy to pat away the resulting condensation on my nose and lips. I don't have any lung problems, but data from this list convinced me that the quickest way to get silver ions into my bloodstream, from my homemade 20PPM (calculated) CS, other than IV, was via nebulizing. I now keep a machine at my computer and one at my bedside, for use while watching TV. The only 'measurable' benefit, other than the total absence of colds and flu this last year (nothing new here - a standard effect), has been a marked improvement in lung capacity. My sedentary lifestyle, the Internet, and lack of interest in exercise has reduced at least one aspect of my breathing: The length of time I can hold my breath. As a teenager in very good shape, I could do about 2 and a half minutes. Last year, before starting the nebulizer regimen, my last timed test was just over a minute. I always hyperventilate several breaths before starting the test and even so, a minute was really a stretch. Probably normal I figured, for someone in their 60s. A couple of months after I started nebulizing, I ran the test again, just like I have so many times before. Holy Moley! The time was just under two minutes! I thought I made a timing mistake so I repeated it. Two minutes and five seconds! I have since repeated the same test about 5 times and the results are always a little more than 2 minutes. Well, that did it for me. Nebulizing CS will be part of my daily regimen from here on out. Hope this helps, Jimmy Joe _ High-speed Internet access as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). Click here. https://broadband.msn.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSYellow tinted CS!!
url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m62854.html Re: CSYellow tinted CS!! From: Jonathan B. Britten Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 22:36:43 I have observed the lunar influence on CS color on several occasions. I hypothesize that the increased particle size producing the higher TE and the yellowish color is a gravitational influence, but that is merely conjectural. All the same, my hunch is that some research would probably reveal a number of manufacturing processes that take moon phase into account. If anyone can educate me on this topic, I am willing to learn. JBB If you take two process that have a high probability of occurrence, you will inevitably find a correlation between them, even though they have no connection. I use a high-compliance current source (ascii circuit recently posted), and Faraday's equations to time my cs. I find the yellow tint starts occurring over a very small range of ppm. In other words, the process saturates quickly, and is extremely sensitive to the ion concentration at the end of the brew time. Just one or two ppm difference is all it takes to make a brew that is clear, or one that shows color. Most people run with constant voltage and have no current limiting. This means the brew can easily reach the current level needed to produce silver oxide, which produces the tint. The process is out of control, but the moon has no influence on the outcome. People who do use current limiting generally run at high current density. This means the regulator is saturated for a large portion of the brew time. The production of oxide then depends on the diffusion of silver and hydroxyl ions through the solution, which depends on the AC line voltage at the time, the temperature of the dw, any convection currents, and probably a dozen other variables. Again, the process is out of control, and the moon has no influence on these factors. The moon is too far away to influence any of the parameters that affect the cs process. When you get unrepeatable results, you need to control these parameters better. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSYellow tinted CS!!
When a thousand people use the same generator and 2 or 3 people make a CS that goes yellow over a period of time and not entirely consistantly at that...I think there may be some other factor at work. Perhaps hydrogen sulphides in the water and/or air? Acid rain? Something that is acting as a catylist? ..something that's not common? Limiting some factor further, like modifying the generator to make a weaker product a little slower, may solve the immediate problem but not reveal the cause. BTW Mike, You are the only one to attribute color to oxides. I tend to agree that there is some factor involving oxides, or a semi oxide of silver that contributes to the formation of larger particles which display the color due to their size. ...something akin to an oxygen atom presenting an attractive surface for silver ions to crystalize around which unstable H2O2 can scavenge in it's desire to attract another oxygen atom to make an O2 molecule and water, thus break the crystal apart. That's not to say that the oxide itself is presenting the color. It could be that the structure of the crystal presents the color and it takes a certain minimal number of silver atoms to make that configuration. PS I took High School chemistry [a LONG time ago]...and that's about it. I also took trade school metallurgy..for what that's worth. [not much more than a clue] ..and spent a few young [late teen] years as an electroplater, both chemical and electrical deposition. [copper, gold and zinc mostly] I'm not about to second guess an engineer or chemist, but sometimes the highly educated will miss the obvious that I cannot quantify. I know some of both and have been known, in my practical ignorance of detail..and convention, to present other pathways of investigation when they got stumped. Ode At 03:19 AM 9/30/2003 -0400, you wrote: url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m62854.html Re: CSYellow tinted CS!! From: Jonathan B. Britten Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 22:36:43 I have observed the lunar influence on CS color on several occasions. I hypothesize that the increased particle size producing the higher TE and the yellowish color is a gravitational influence, but that is merely conjectural. All the same, my hunch is that some research would probably reveal a number of manufacturing processes that take moon phase into account. If anyone can educate me on this topic, I am willing to learn. JBB If you take two process that have a high probability of occurrence, you will inevitably find a correlation between them, even though they have no connection. I use a high-compliance current source (ascii circuit recently posted), and Faraday's equations to time my cs. I find the yellow tint starts occurring over a very small range of ppm. In other words, the process saturates quickly, and is extremely sensitive to the ion concentration at the end of the brew time. Just one or two ppm difference is all it takes to make a brew that is clear, or one that shows color. Most people run with constant voltage and have no current limiting. This means the brew can easily reach the current level needed to produce silver oxide, which produces the tint. The process is out of control, but the moon has no influence on the outcome. People who do use current limiting generally run at high current density. This means the regulator is saturated for a large portion of the brew time. The production of oxide then depends on the diffusion of silver and hydroxyl ions through the solution, which depends on the AC line voltage at the time, the temperature of the dw, any convection currents, and probably a dozen other variables. Again, the process is out of control, and the moon has no influence on these factors. The moon is too far away to influence any of the parameters that affect the cs process. When you get unrepeatable results, you need to control these parameters better. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSelectrons in making concentrated CS
url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m62791.html Re: CSelectrons in making concentrated CS From: Mike Monett Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 02:38:12 [...] Can anyone tell me where the electrons go when I make this CS? Then I'll feel better about recommending the generator to others. The ultimate goal is to get the purifiers to the poor who are vulnerable to the ravages of diarrheal illnesses. Hi Ried, Thank you for your very nice compliment via email. I am interested in your project, and would like to encourage you to pursue it. There is no reason anyone should suffer if we know simple and inexpensive ways to prevent it. I don't know much about water purifiers using silver. But I wonder if you could saturate the ceramic with your cs, then heat it perhaps red hot. This might help convert the oxides into pure silver. I believe this is used in some purifiers and also on the Space Shuttle. Do you happen to know how they make them? Before, when I was using high current density, I noticed that some of the black oxides that used to collect in the bottom of the glass would turn into silver from the pressure of wiping the jar clean. The silver was difficult to remove with H2O2, so I'm pretty sure it was elemental. Perhaps this would provide better protection against bacteria in this application, and also help bond the silver to the ceramic. I should do some research before making suggestions that might turn out to be silly, but it's 6:54 am and I still haven't gone to bed yet. I'll try to find some time later and see what turns up. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScs and dmso for eyes
You might try asking some horse people, someone at a near by race track or training facility. I do not know where to buy it in your country but in the US it is sold by most horse supply companies in a liquid and a gel form. The gel is handy for topical application. It should give you a slight garlic taste when applied to your skin, within seconds. If it does not then it is old or was improperly stored. It can and does go bad. I keep mine in the fridge. I was also told that if it crystallizes and turns solid it is no good. I have talked to a vet opthamologist that has used it in horses eyes to treat Uveitis (moonblindness) a common affliction of older horses that eventually causes cataracts, retinal degeneration and shrinking of the eyeball. He said it stings really bad. Still it could be worth it. Just a warning on what to expect. Garnet You wrote: I understand that DMSO and MSM can be bought at Veterinary supliers. I have rung a lot of places here in Auckland, NZ with no luck Does anyone have any contacts? Regards, Erik -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSYellow tinted CS!!
Ken, and all, It is looking like I have found the problem, but I won't be 100% certain until I have run a few more batches.. It is seems very likely that the problem is indeed a contaminant, and that the contaminant(s) are the spray kitchen cleaners I use--1 spray bottle of peroxide and 1 of white vinegar. I use these many times per day to clean counters, stove top, sink, etc. and absolutely never gave it a thought.since stopping that I have now made 3 perfectly clear batches, one in the Silvergen and 2 in the Silverpuppy.. Both generators are *closed* very well in operation, so it never occurred to me that contamination could happen with my sprays...however, looking round the kitchen, I see that overspray could easily have also been getting onto the paper towels I use to wipe electrodes.and how long spray mist particles can stay suspended in air, I have no idea... If the problem really is this simple, I'm going to gag over all the time I've spent beating my head against the wall...But Trem says it could very well be the vinegar paula - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote When a thousand people use the same generator and 2 or 3 people make a CS that goes yellow over a period of time and not entirely consistantly at that...I think there may be some other factor at work.
Re: CSaltcancer.com web site
The altcancer.com web site still operates last I checked It would be prudent, I think, for a number of us to bulk-copy this site to our local drives so the information in the many articles there is not lost to us. Does anybody know a good way to do this? One program I tried cannot navigate the drop-down selection boxes they use on their site map page and so got none of the pages on cancer, for instance. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSaltcancer.com web site
Mike: Yes, it appears that Jade and the Carr's are in trouble, which does not bode well for things. I'm currently waiting to hear from them, and I have made an offer to assist with their website. I will download a duplicate of the entire site as a precaution today, that is a great idea. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 2:02 PM Subject: Re: CSaltcancer.com web site The altcancer.com web site still operates last I checked It would be prudent, I think, for a number of us to bulk-copy this site to our local drives so the information in the many articles there is not lost to us. Does anybody know a good way to do this? One program I tried cannot navigate the drop-down selection boxes they use on their site map page and so got none of the pages on cancer, for instance. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSaltcancer.com web site
You might also find this site of interest and use: http://gethealthyagain.com Marshall Acmeair wrote: I found another distributor for altcancer, up in Montana. Faxed them last fri. but no response. Assume that they are shut down, also. http://www.bloodrootproducts.com/ or www.risingsunhealth.com jim - Original Message - From: Jason Eaton ey...@cox.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 1:14 PM Subject: Re: CSaltcancer.com web site Mike: Yes, it appears that Jade and the Carr's are in trouble, which does not bode well for things. I'm currently waiting to hear from them, and I have made an offer to assist with their website. I will download a duplicate of the entire site as a precaution today, that is a great idea. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 2:02 PM Subject: Re: CSaltcancer.com web site The altcancer.com web site still operates last I checked It would be prudent, I think, for a number of us to bulk-copy this site to our local drives so the information in the many articles there is not lost to us. Does anybody know a good way to do this? One program I tried cannot navigate the drop-down selection boxes they use on their site map page and so got none of the pages on cancer, for instance. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSaltcancer.com web site
Mike: I've confirmed successful download of 2049 files, totalling 70.1 megs of data. It appears that all files are present, including the information pages on cancer, testimonials, etc... I also went and downloaded their video archives ( 200+ megs of data ). Unfortunately, from what I can see, it looks like the website is hosted on US Soil. This also does not bode well for their current problems. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 2:02 PM Subject: Re: CSaltcancer.com web site The altcancer.com web site still operates last I checked It would be prudent, I think, for a number of us to bulk-copy this site to our local drives so the information in the many articles there is not lost to us. Does anybody know a good way to do this? One program I tried cannot navigate the drop-down selection boxes they use on their site map page and so got none of the pages on cancer, for instance. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSaltcancer.com web site
I thought that they were essentially located in the Bahamas. I wasn't aware they had distribution points in the US, such as Louisiana. I started out buying the Cansema salve and then also the Cansema capsules. I also have the bloodroot paste and have bought the H3O and HRx and the Androgrophus capsules and Quick Heal. Ok, looking at their site, I see that the corporate office is located in Nassau, Bahamas. I think this whole thing sux big time. DL M. G. Devour wrote: The altcancer.com web site still operates last I checked It would be prudent, I think, for a number of us to bulk-copy this site to our local drives so the information in the many articles there is not lost to us. Does anybody know a good way to do this? One program I tried cannot navigate the drop-down selection boxes they use on their site map page and so got none of the pages on cancer, for instance. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSaltcancer.com web site
I found another distributor for altcancer, up in Montana. Faxed them last fri. but no response. Assume that they are shut down, also. http://www.bloodrootproducts.com/ or www.risingsunhealth.com jim - Original Message - From: Jason Eaton ey...@cox.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 1:14 PM Subject: Re: CSaltcancer.com web site Mike: Yes, it appears that Jade and the Carr's are in trouble, which does not bode well for things. I'm currently waiting to hear from them, and I have made an offer to assist with their website. I will download a duplicate of the entire site as a precaution today, that is a great idea. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 2:02 PM Subject: Re: CSaltcancer.com web site The altcancer.com web site still operates last I checked It would be prudent, I think, for a number of us to bulk-copy this site to our local drives so the information in the many articles there is not lost to us. Does anybody know a good way to do this? One program I tried cannot navigate the drop-down selection boxes they use on their site map page and so got none of the pages on cancer, for instance. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSaltcancer.com web site
Dear List, I am a distributor for Seasilver, which, being one of the big dogs (in size) was one of the first company to be shut down. They must have been pretty clean (had to change their Claims and some Advertising), but are now shipping product again. This will continue for all natural herbals that make any claims on the same site for a long time in an attempt to shur all of us up! They have done it in EU, Aus NZ and now good ole'USA (still the best place to be), but these ignorant, heartless bureaucrats with MUCHO power can be pretty mean! Hope Altcancer others fare as well as Seasilver. Richard Harris -Original Message- From: Acmeair [mailto:res00...@gte.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 5:01 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSaltcancer.com web site I found another distributor for altcancer, up in Montana. Faxed them last fri. but no response. Assume that they are shut down, also. http://www.bloodrootproducts.com/ or www.risingsunhealth.com jim - Original Message - From: Jason Eaton ey...@cox.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 1:14 PM Subject: Re: CSaltcancer.com web site Mike: Yes, it appears that Jade and the Carr's are in trouble, which does not bode well for things. I'm currently waiting to hear from them, and I have made an offer to assist with their website. I will download a duplicate of the entire site as a precaution today, that is a great idea. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 2:02 PM Subject: Re: CSaltcancer.com web site The altcancer.com web site still operates last I checked It would be prudent, I think, for a number of us to bulk-copy this site to our local drives so the information in the many articles there is not lost to us. Does anybody know a good way to do this? One program I tried cannot navigate the drop-down selection boxes they use on their site map page and so got none of the pages on cancer, for instance. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS Anode weight
Mike M.. To do this anode weight experiment is not as easy as putting it on paper!! I ran 2 gallons, Initial Ci = 7.1 uS/cm using the large anode which I weighed before run and did not touch the scale adjustment. Brewed 3.5 hours without current limit; pH =6.98; and Ag+ =13.6 ppm, and there was no change in the weight of the anode. I guess the initial weight of 126.9 gm was too high to be able to detect the weight loss. The CS T.E. could only be seen in a dark room and almost no sparkles...very good stuff. I will replace the large anode with an anode that is 1/2 x 3.5 wet and look for weight change. If I can't detect it then I will have to go an Aero Space client of mine and use their lab balance. (50 miles round trip) I have setup a current limiter at 6.3 mA and will run much longer. I have attached the Wplot data. For those who do not have the Wplot16 or 32 .exe you can open the file with the notepad to see the data. Observation the high initial Cf in uS/cm causes a very fast generation of CS. Ole Bob 4x9 AGtest.PLT Description: application/unknown-content-type-plt_auto_file
Re: CS Anode weight
url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m62868.html Re: CS Anode weight From: Robert Berger Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 15:02:43 Mike M. To do this anode weight experiment is not as easy as putting it on paper!! I ran 2 gallons, Initial Ci = 7.1 uS/cm using the large anode which I weighed before run and did not touch the scale adjustment. Brewed 3.5 hours without current limit; pH =6.98; and Ag+ =13.6 ppm, and there was no change in the weight of the anode. I guess the initial weight of 126.9 gm was too high to be able to detect the weight loss. [...] I will replace the large anode with an anode that is 1/2 x 3.5 wet and look for weight change. If I can't detect it then I will have to go an Aero Space client of mine and use their lab balance. (50 miles round trip) I have setup a current limiter at 6.3 mA and will run much longer. [...] Ole Bob I knew you would run into problems. You are right at the limit of resolution of your triple beam balance. A smaller anode may not solve the problem. You are still looking for a small change in mass. Your scale doesn't have enough resolution. You might try running the brew longer, but eventually you will start producing oxide that will stick to the anode and change the weight. You probably need a better scale. Perhaps there is a university or pharmaceutical supply company nearby that has a better balance? It seems silly to have to drive 100 miles to weigh 100 milligrams:) Maybe some amateur scientist has found a simple way to measure small mass changes in large objects. I'll try to find some time to do a search. If you do try a small anode, you might want to reduce the current to keep the current density the same as the original. If you do, the current regulator will probably come out of saturation and start producing constant current right away. This makes it easier to do the calculations, since you don't have to mess with integrating in WPlot. If you want me to help with the calculations, let me know. But it would be good if you gave Mercury a try. This program is amazing, and a great time-saver when you have to deal with calculations involving unit conversions. Why did the ppm drop from the original 38 to 13.6? Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSPh of Distilled water?
What should the ph of distilled water be before making CS with it? I used pH test strips and both my home-distilled water and commercial distilled water are pH 3, my finished CS both clear and yellow batches are also pH 3. My DH says he thinks DW should be 7? (we did test the test strips with vinegar and with baking soda in water, and they appear to be pretty accurate according to an old chemistry book) TIA, paula
Re: CSaltcancer.com web site
Hello, How glad I am that others are as concerned as I am! I think the altcancer site is priceless. If Jason or someone else would be kind enough to burn a CD of the downloaded site archive, I would be happy to retain one, and make copies or transfers for persons interested in future. I would pay for the CD and shipping of course. You did a wise thing, Jason! It never even crossed my mind to do that. JBB On Wednesday, Oct 1, 2003, at 05:44 Asia/Tokyo, Jason Eaton wrote: Mike: I've confirmed successful download of 2049 files, totalling 70.1 megs of data. It appears that all files are present, including the information pages on cancer, testimonials, etc... I also went and downloaded their video archives ( 200+ megs of data ). Unfortunately, from what I can see, it looks like the website is hosted on US Soil. This also does not bode well for their current problems. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 2:02 PM Subject: Re: CSaltcancer.com web site The altcancer.com web site still operates last I checked It would be prudent, I think, for a number of us to bulk-copy this site to our local drives so the information in the many articles there is not lost to us. Does anybody know a good way to do this? One program I tried cannot navigate the drop-down selection boxes they use on their site map page and so got none of the pages on cancer, for instance. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSYellow tinted CS!!
Hi, Mike, Interesting comments. Thanks. However, I use current limiting, and though I would not swear to that my observations are correct, I believe they are.Certainly the moon has a strong influence on all sorts of geologic and biological processes, from tidal flow to menstrual flow to patterns of crime and manifestations of mental illness, so I do not find it hard to believe that there is some lunar influence on the water or the electrodes in my SG6. Perhaps even a small change in Brownian motion could account for the phenomenon I believe I have observed.I admit though that my record-keeping is very casual.If I get myself a little lunar log going I will post the results in future.As for all the possible variables, of course no one can control them all. I can only say that I have gotten yellow CS only during the full moon phase using my SG6. Other variables could be the cause, though. Thanks again. On Tuesday, Sep 30, 2003, at 16:19 Asia/Tokyo, Mike Monett wrote: url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m62854.html Re: CSYellow tinted CS!! From: Jonathan B. Britten Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 22:36:43 I have observed the lunar influence on CS color on several occasions. I hypothesize that the increased particle size producing the higher TE and the yellowish color is a gravitational influence, but that is merely conjectural. All the same, my hunch is that some research would probably reveal a number of manufacturing processes that take moon phase into account. If anyone can educate me on this topic, I am willing to learn. JBB If you take two process that have a high probability of occurrence, you will inevitably find a correlation between them, even though they have no connection. I use a high-compliance current source (ascii circuit recently posted), and Faraday's equations to time my cs. I find the yellow tint starts occurring over a very small range of ppm. In other words, the process saturates quickly, and is extremely sensitive to the ion concentration at the end of the brew time. Just one or two ppm difference is all it takes to make a brew that is clear, or one that shows color. Most people run with constant voltage and have no current limiting. This means the brew can easily reach the current level needed to produce silver oxide, which produces the tint. The process is out of control, but the moon has no influence on the outcome. People who do use current limiting generally run at high current density. This means the regulator is saturated for a large portion of the brew time. The production of oxide then depends on the diffusion of silver and hydroxyl ions through the solution, which depends on the AC line voltage at the time, the temperature of the dw, any convection currents, and probably a dozen other variables. Again, the process is out of control, and the moon has no influence on these factors. The moon is too far away to influence any of the parameters that affect the cs process. When you get unrepeatable results, you need to control these parameters better. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSaltcancer.com web site
Jonathan: I have it all... I am currently working with the... remaining? staff of Alpha Omega Labs concerning options for their website. I don't know how serious or exactly which allegations are being made by the FDA currently, nor Alpha Omega Labs exact strategy toward FDA compliance, resumption of operations, etc., but I have made myself available to them, and have opened an active dialog to discuss the situation of their website, FDA compliance, etc. I'm currently seeking some outside advice on the exact letter of the law, and the best way to get as many of their products as possible back on track. There may be multiple issues involved, including medical devices and biologicals ( drugs ) that do not qualify for protection under the Supplement Act... In the event that the website is taken down completely, Alpha Omega Labs dissappears, or other unforseeable act of unkindness, I will personally strip the store off of the information, and make the website freely available for its informational value, provided that I am not prevented from doing so by the owners of the copyrights. I hope it doesn't come to that! Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 5:10 PM Subject: Re: CSaltcancer.com web site Hello, How glad I am that others are as concerned as I am! I think the altcancer site is priceless. If Jason or someone else would be kind enough to burn a CD of the downloaded site archive, I would be happy to retain one, and make copies or transfers for persons interested in future. I would pay for the CD and shipping of course. You did a wise thing, Jason! It never even crossed my mind to do that. JBB On Wednesday, Oct 1, 2003, at 05:44 Asia/Tokyo, Jason Eaton wrote: Mike: I've confirmed successful download of 2049 files, totalling 70.1 megs of data. It appears that all files are present, including the information pages on cancer, testimonials, etc... I also went and downloaded their video archives ( 200+ megs of data ). Unfortunately, from what I can see, it looks like the website is hosted on US Soil. This also does not bode well for their current problems. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 2:02 PM Subject: Re: CSaltcancer.com web site The altcancer.com web site still operates last I checked It would be prudent, I think, for a number of us to bulk-copy this site to our local drives so the information in the many articles there is not lost to us. Does anybody know a good way to do this? One program I tried cannot navigate the drop-down selection boxes they use on their site map page and so got none of the pages on cancer, for instance. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCS and Soft Contact Lenses
Do any of y'all know if it's ok to use CS drops while soft contact lenses are in my eyes? I just started re-wearing soft contacts and it used to be that you should only use drops made specifically for soft lenses. The ones I just got are the 30 day Night Day Ciba Vision lenses (made to wear and sleep in for up to 30 days then throw away and start wearing a new pair). Any information and input you can give is appreciated. Thanks in advance!! Ruth
Re: CS Anode weight
Hi Mike, Why the PPM drop I wish I knew, but it happens all of the time. When Rich Adams and I ran a series that would pop up. No two runs were identical as to PPM yet there data plots look a like. It is not the chemicals as I have made repeats on the same lot and get the same results. I am not alone in observing this. It has been reported before. If you have my data plot 5x8 Anode repro.plt, note line 2 of the heading. The Batch was a rerun of 4+ ppm material and had a 48 hour break at hour #3 then a .8 hr brew, and things went wild!!! I just checked my raw data and at the end of the 3 hour point the Ag+ was 8.58 PPM. When the brew was restarted 48 hours later and ran for .8 hr the PPM went wild. While the PPM change drastically the conductivity only changed by 18%. After about 800 color tests I have a pretty good idea of what the PPM will be before actually measuring it. The color change is very significant. If you would like a few more plots let me know. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPh of Distilled water?
Paula, The pH of DW should be about 5 to 5.5, not 3 !! Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSaltcancer.com web site
Thank you.Very good ideas. I am sure they will be grateful for your help. JBB On Wednesday, Oct 1, 2003, at 09:45 Asia/Tokyo, Jason Eaton wrote: Jonathan: I have it all... I am currently working with the... remaining? staff of Alpha Omega Labs concerning options for their website. I don't know how serious or exactly which allegations are being made by the FDA currently, nor Alpha Omega Labs exact strategy toward FDA compliance, resumption of operations, etc., but I have made myself available to them, and have opened an active dialog to discuss the situation of their website, FDA compliance, etc. I'm currently seeking some outside advice on the exact letter of the law, and the best way to get as many of their products as possible back on track. There may be multiple issues involved, including medical devices and biologicals ( drugs ) that do not qualify for protection under the Supplement Act... In the event that the website is taken down completely, Alpha Omega Labs dissappears, or other unforseeable act of unkindness, I will personally strip the store off of the information, and make the website freely available for its informational value, provided that I am not prevented from doing so by the owners of the copyrights. I hope it doesn't come to that! Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 5:10 PM Subject: Re: CSaltcancer.com web site Hello, How glad I am that others are as concerned as I am! I think the altcancer site is priceless. If Jason or someone else would be kind enough to burn a CD of the downloaded site archive, I would be happy to retain one, and make copies or transfers for persons interested in future. I would pay for the CD and shipping of course. You did a wise thing, Jason! It never even crossed my mind to do that. JBB On Wednesday, Oct 1, 2003, at 05:44 Asia/Tokyo, Jason Eaton wrote: Mike: I've confirmed successful download of 2049 files, totalling 70.1 megs of data. It appears that all files are present, including the information pages on cancer, testimonials, etc... I also went and downloaded their video archives ( 200+ megs of data ). Unfortunately, from what I can see, it looks like the website is hosted on US Soil. This also does not bode well for their current problems. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 2:02 PM Subject: Re: CSaltcancer.com web site The altcancer.com web site still operates last I checked It would be prudent, I think, for a number of us to bulk-copy this site to our local drives so the information in the many articles there is not lost to us. Does anybody know a good way to do this? One program I tried cannot navigate the drop-down selection boxes they use on their site map page and so got none of the pages on cancer, for instance. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS Anode weight
url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m62877.html Re: CS Anode weight From: Robert Berger (view other messages by this author) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 20:09:52 Hi Mike, Why the PPM drop I wish I knew, but it happens all of the time. When Rich Adams and I ran a series that would pop up. No two runs were identical as to PPM yet there data plots look a like. According to Trem's posts, a 20 % drop is reasonable at high current density. I can see several theoretical and practical reasons for this, but I'm not sure there would be as much drop at low current density. But going from 38 ppm to 13 ppm tells me there is something seriously wrong with your measurements. Until they are solved, I'm afraid I have little confidence in your data. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
