CSRE: sick from cs
The yellow is perfectly usable, Norma. Don't throw it away. Learn from the experts and continue experimenting to refine what you're doing, but don't hesitate for a moment to use what you have now. It works. It doesn't have to be perfect. Use a lot. Be well, Mike D. Thank you for the help Mike. Another question. One individual on the list said that they had gotten really sick from some bad cs years back. How would we ever be able to determine it was bad? And, you mention to use a lot. Is it better to ramp up the amount little by little so one doesn't get sick from herxing.which I presume to be die off of bacteria or viruses? Again, thank you. Norma kath...@pacbell.net
CSCool Mist H202
Hi Everyone I was readying the other day where a more effective way to introduce H202 to your body was to use cool mist humidifiers. I decided to try it and I added 8 ounces of 2% to 1 gallon of water. I left the humidifier on for the entire nite while I was sleeping. The next day I woke up not feeling any different aside from my nose being a little clearer. I decided at that moment to try it further to see what if anything would happen. At about 8pm that same day I began herxing really bad. I felt like I had the flu. Joints were aching really bad and I felt hot and sweaty. I did this for 3 days straight and I'm still having the herx symptoms. I'm going to stop for a few days and see if the symptoms go away. If they do then I know I am on to something good here. I generally have a low temperature so my thinking is that I have an oxydation problem in my body. I'm not sure how good the pathway is from your lungs to your bloodstream.I'm not an expert.but I would think that it should be more effective than drinking that nasty stuff!! I have never felt any benefits to drinking h2o2.but this experience is tottally different. Does anyone have any thoughts about this protocol? I also have heard that after a few weeks my hair could turn lighter..so I'll keep an eye on that toothanks..Robb
Re: CSYellow tinted CS!!
url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m62907.html Re: CSYellow tinted CS!! From: Al Davis Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 21:58:23 Mike, I may have a partial answer to your problem, but we use very different set-ups for making our brew. I use a silvergen SG-6 with different electrodes than standard. I made some copper electrodes using electrical copper wire (very pure-about .9995) just for a lark. I experienced a very strange phenomenon. The SG-6 is current controlled to about 1 mA and has automatic shutoff at about 6.5 volts at full setting. At least it does with silver electrodes. Here's where we get into the twilight zone! With the copper electrodes everything proceeds as usual until I get to about 5 micro-seimens on the PWT. The CC is colorless and has no Tyndall effect. This occurs at about 17 volts. From there on the current remains constant AND the voltage remains constant! The brew begins to take on a distinct copper color and has a very strong tyndall effect! Apparently, the setup makes ionic copper to a certain voltage and then suddenly shifts into making only colloidal metal particles! (It did not prove to be stable). I don't know what happens with a constant voltage low current density method such as you use, but perhaps this will offer a clue, since it seems copper and silver behave very differently. Hope this helps. Al Davis Hi Al, Thank you for the post! Yes, after carefully cleaning everything again, it started behaving rationally. A bit different from your description, but I did get results similar to yours on previous runs. It seems the copper behaves the same as silver, but at lower ppm. This time, nothing happened for a long time, then tiny black whiskers started growing from the bottom edge of the cathode. These started looking like tiny trees with many branches. Eventually they grew all the way to the anode, and other trees started growing from the side of the cathode towards the anode. I don't know what the estimated ppm was, since I increased the current several times during the run. It was 327 uA/sq.in. when the trees started growing. The branches seem to be conductive. Sometimes a long piece broke off and jerks sideways several times. It often went back and reattached to the main branches. So they might be made of copper atoms that have gained electrons at the cathode. I waited until the bottom one looked thick and solid, then shook the electrodes to break it. The voltage across the cell instantly jumped quite a bit. So I think the branches may be pure copper. According to my research, the copper ion is doubly ionized (missing two electrons.) I wonder if this changes the converson factor between uS and ppm? Probably, it should. Could you do me a favor? Next time you do a run, can you measure the current, brew time, and the ppm when the cell voltage plateaus? Does the current regulator saturate at the start of the run? If so, could you use more copper wire for the anode and cathode? Or measure the current vs time readings until the regulator comes out of saturation? We should be able to estimate how many copper ions are liberated and get an idea what the conversion factor might be. Some ions may plate out on the cathode, and some will be lost forming oxides. But we should be able to determine if the factor is unity as for silver. Just for the record, here are the unit conversions for Mercury: Cou = I * sec ; total number of Coulombs esec = I / 1.60217733e-19; electrons per second gm = k * I * sec ; Faraday's equation isin = esec / sqin ; ions per sq. in. per sec isnm = isin / 6.45e14 ; ions per square nanometer per sec k= 0.5* 63.5 / 96485 ; Coulombs required per gram of copper lt = 3.785 * gal ; convert gallons to litres lt = ml / 1000 ; convert millilitres to litres mg = gm * 1000 ; convert grams to milligrams ml = 29.57 * oz ; convert ounce to milliliters phr = ppm / hrs ; ppm per hour ppm = mg / lt ; 1 ppm is 1 milligram per litre sec = hrs * 3600 + mnt * 60 ; convert hours to seconds uAin = 1e6 * I / sqin ; current density in uA per sq in Note the change to the Coulomb calculation: k = 0.5* 63.5 / 96485 ; Coulombs required per gram of copper With your help, we might add yet another small bit to the vast store of knowledge in the silver archives:) Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSYellow tinted CS!!
url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m62910.html Re: CSYellow tinted CS!! From: Harvey Norris Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 23:01:03 The moon is too far away to influence any of the parameters that affect the cs process. When you get unrepeatable results, you need to control these parameters better. Best Regards, Mike Monett You're up against the consensus here, Thomas the Doubter... scientifically schooled and scientifically fooled. HDN, I need no futher comments here just to make my snyde comments Hyde... Yes, Harvey, I guess you got me pegged. I don't believe in magic or witchcraft. I don't believe in free energy, over-unity, or Tom Bearden's scalar waves. I don't believe in a lot of things that scams are made from. And I don't believe solar flares or the phase of the moon can affect the production of cs. I believe in controlling contamination, current density at the electrodes, quality of the dw, and using precision constant current sources, Faraday's equations, and good instrumentation. And my cs is not affected by the phase of the moon. So the next time you make cs during a full moon, take your frog, circle the cs generator three times in a counterclockwise direction to set up the proper vortex, then three times in a clockwise direction, all the while chanting your favorite mantra. Then eat the frog. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSYellow tinted CS!!
Mike: Why don't you, however, share the lab results that were obtained from the study of your production process? And contrast that to the readings you swore you would get? Yes, I am aware of the lab results obtained from your product specifications; what I'm surprised at is your instance that theory outways analytical study -- still. It is quite baffling, but I do enjoy your explorations, ideas, and reports immensely. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Mike Monett 31dtzj...@sneakemail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:05 AM Subject: Re: CSYellow tinted CS!! url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m62910.html Re: CSYellow tinted CS!! From: Harvey Norris Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 23:01:03 The moon is too far away to influence any of the parameters that affect the cs process. When you get unrepeatable results, you need to control these parameters better. Best Regards, Mike Monett You're up against the consensus here, Thomas the Doubter... scientifically schooled and scientifically fooled. HDN, I need no futher comments here just to make my snyde comments Hyde... Yes, Harvey, I guess you got me pegged. I don't believe in magic or witchcraft. I don't believe in free energy, over-unity, or Tom Bearden's scalar waves. I don't believe in a lot of things that scams are made from. And I don't believe solar flares or the phase of the moon can affect the production of cs. I believe in controlling contamination, current density at the electrodes, quality of the dw, and using precision constant current sources, Faraday's equations, and good instrumentation. And my cs is not affected by the phase of the moon. So the next time you make cs during a full moon, take your frog, circle the cs generator three times in a counterclockwise direction to set up the proper vortex, then three times in a clockwise direction, all the while chanting your favorite mantra. Then eat the frog. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 09/02/2003
Re: CSRE: sick from cs
Norma writes: One individual on the list said that they had gotten really sick from some bad cs years back. How would we ever be able to determine it was bad? I don't know exactly what Mike M. experienced, but if I remember correctly he attributed his reaction to some contamination on the electrodes. It's generally recommended that you keep your electrodes clean and avoid touching them, setting them on the kitchen counter, and so on. Don't use things like soap or scrubby pads unless they are dedicated to only the one task and kept clean. That said, I've never had a similar experience to Mike's and have not always been all that careful. I wipe my electrodes with white paper napkins and just keep them in the covered cup between batches. The only other concern is that the person is not directly allergic or sensitized to the silver. We had one incident some years ago of a list member who had a frightening allergic response the first time she tried a home-made brew. She'd been using a well thought of commercial product for some time, but all of a sudden, the first dose she took of her own CS almost laid her flat. So start with a *very* small dose or two... even a few drops or a teaspoon full ... and wait a while to make sure there is no sudden and serious reaction. Don't fear, as this appears to be extremely rare but worth checking for. And, you mention to use a lot. Is it better to ramp up the amount little by little so one doesn't get sick from herxing.which I presume to be die off of bacteria or viruses? Yes, that is what you'll want to do. The major advantage of making your own CS is that it is inexpensive -- basically the cost of the water and a little electricity. That enables you to use as much as you want without concern for the cost. I keep hearing that people who are seriously treating major illness see better effects the more they use. The basic guideline, after you sensibly consult your own health-care professional, is to dose for effect. Ramp up until the die-off symptoms are noticable and modulate the dose to remain comfortable while retaining effectiveness. Be careful, keep reading, be informed. You're taking responsibility for yourselves and doing so early in the process. That will give you the best chance of a successful outcome. Godspeed. Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCool Mist H202
Rob: Good for you! I do the same thing with silver: Crank up the volume until you notice a rash, then back off just a touch and HOLD, as long as there are absolutley no pulmonary symptoms accompanied as a part of a herx. With H2o2, my thoughts are to practice a bit more caution ( compared to silver ). Upon resumption, after your herx symptoms have subsided, the next herx reaction should be less pronounced. My idea of caution, however, is based on lack of experience with h2o2 and the lungs ( my brief experience was only with silver and h2o2 in the lungs, something I will not repeat ); I know quite a few people who have extensively used h2o2 IV therapy, and safely, although the caustic nature of H2o2 is hard on the veins. In the cases I'm aware of, silver was eventually substituted, and worked more effectively ( via ultrasonic nebulizer ), but that doesn't mean it always will! My understanding is that proponents of oxygen therapies nearly unanimously agree that it is safer to utilize h2o2 via any means other than oral. The pathway from the lungs to the bloodstream is a very short one; of course this is dependant upon the SUBSTANCE inhaled. Please let us know your continuing experience! Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Robb Allen To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 11:11 PM Subject: CSCool Mist H202 Hi Everyone I was readying the other day where a more effective way to introduce H202 to your body was to use cool mist humidifiers. I decided to try it and I added 8 ounces of 2% to 1 gallon of water. I left the humidifier on for the entire nite while I was sleeping. The next day I woke up not feeling any different aside from my nose being a little clearer. I decided at that moment to try it further to see what if anything would happen. At about 8pm that same day I began herxing really bad. I felt like I had the flu. Joints were aching really bad and I felt hot and sweaty. I did this for 3 days straight and I'm still having the herx symptoms. I'm going to stop for a few days and see if the symptoms go away. If they do then I know I am on to something good here. I generally have a low temperature so my thinking is that I have an oxydation problem in my body. I'm not sure how good the pathway is from your lungs to your bloodstream.I'm not an expert.but I would think that it should be more effective than drinking that nasty stuff!! I have never felt any benefits to drinking h2o2.but this experience is tottally different. Does anyone have any thoughts about this protocol? I also have heard that after a few weeks my hair could turn lighter..so I'll keep an eye on that toothanks..Robb --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 09/02/2003
RE: CSRE: sick from cs
I have never heard of anyone getting sick from taking silver. Someone must have made their silver with very bad water. Always use the best distilled water you can find. Cliff. -Original Message- From: Me [mailto:kath...@pacbell.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 7:20 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRE: sick from cs The yellow is perfectly usable, Norma. Don't throw it away. Learn from the experts and continue experimenting to refine what you're doing, but don't hesitate for a moment to use what you have now. It works. It doesn't have to be perfect. Use a lot. Be well, Mike D. Thank you for the help Mike. Another question. One individual on the list said that they had gotten really sick from some bad cs years back. How would we ever be able to determine it was bad? And, you mention to use a lot. Is it better to ramp up the amount little by little so one doesn't get sick from herxing.which I presume to be die off of bacteria or viruses? Again, thank you. Norma kath...@pacbell.net
RE: CSCS and nebulizer
Al wrote: snip... If you take it in through the nose, most of it condenses on the hairs in the nose, some gets to the sinuses (if you breathe hard enough) and very little to the lungs. Persist with the mouth breathing and you should be O.K. Hope this helps. Al Davis Interesting claim, Al. Would it be possible to support it with a little more detail? ** I suppose roughly doubling lung capacity in a couple of months _could_ be attributed to 'very little' CS reaching the lungs but there is this: In the initial stages of nebulizing, when experimenting with nasal-only inhalation, I noticed that a normal breath intake results in only clear air exiting my nose. However, both shortening the *time* of inhalation, that is, breathing quicker, OR increasing the *depth* of inhalation, that is breathing deeper, can result in a tiny puff of mist exiting my nose upon exhalation. The same tiny puff would result if my mouth was used during exhalation, as well. Granted, it's not a very scientific observation, but it does appear like there might be some kind of saturation mechanism at work when nebulizing. Breathing slowly or normally may produce no mist upon exhalation, but breathing rapidly or deeply does. At some point in between, all mist taken into the lungs is condensed, as shown by clear air exiting. At some other point, uncondensed mist is expelled during exhalation. Exactly where those points are or what percentage of mist is absorbed or condensed, I can't say, but for me, the results speak for themselves. Sufficient CS has been taken into the body to produce a desirable effect. Jimmy Joe _ Get McAfee virus scanning and cleaning of incoming attachments. Get Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRE: altcancer.com and orderiing
Some people sell it in the USA for about 15 dollars a quart. Look on the internet for a local supply. You should be able to buy a silver maker for a little over 100 dollars in the USA. -Original Message- From: Cliff [mailto:ch...@shaw.ca] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 8:52 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSRE: altcancer.com and orderiing Buy a good silver maker and make your own product. Also go on the internet ald look for good article on silver, especially good books on silver. You will be needing a lot of it. Buy Dr. Norman Walker's book on DMSO. You will find that on Google search. You will also have great success if you look for the books by Dr. Norman Walker. Since TIME is what you will be most short of, you will have to act quickly. I believe it was in Better Homes And Gardens that I saw an article by one of the people with that magazine. He or she had cancer and found out that idf you are serious about getting wel, or getting anyone else well - you had better be prepared to be your own doctor. Cliff. -Original Message- From: Me [mailto:kath...@pacbell.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 8:55 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRE: altcancer.com and orderiing I am unable to keep up with all the posts..so I think I may have messed up here. I just ordered some of their product last night due to my husband having skin and prostate cancer. Is there any chance I would receive it or should I just order it from the Bahama's. Any help would be appreciated. Love the list and it's discussion. As you can see I need a lot of help. Got yellow cs last time, and clear from the individual who made us our generator. Haven't gotten to the bottom of the problem. Am I to take the yellow or should it just be discarded. Thanks again, Norma kath...@pacbell.net
Re: CSPh of Distilled water?
hi paula the chemistry is different. other substances in the apple cider vinegar and lemon juice are supposed to catalyze an alkaline reaction in the body. as far as DW -distilled water- it is supposed to become more acid as it ages. picks up co2 -which is acid- from the air and incorporates it into the water chemically. the above are two observations i have read. i am not a chemistry guy. Nenah, Couple questions re acidic DW and CS: I often read that apple cider vinegar and acidic juices such as lemon juice, when ingested, actually have an alkalinizing effect in the body.so why doesn't acidic DW and CS do the same? TIA, paula - Original Message - From: mailto:ne...@bestweb.netNenah Sylver To: mailto:bober...@swbell.netbober...@swbell.net ; mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:42 PM Subject: Re: CSPh of Distilled water? I am stating my *own* preference to obtain distilled water in as pure state as possible, due to the numerous serious problems that arise when people drink acidic water. I encourage you or anyone else to read the excerpt on water and minerals from my Rife Handbook. To learn more about pH and the body, -- best, willian
Re: CSPh of Distilled water?
Because of the nature of the acids. The vinegar and juices have light metals in them, like potassium, calcium and so forth that alkalinize. That acidic portion is an organic acid, and breaks down into water and carbon dioxide, so it has no effect on the body's balance. The acid in DW or CS would be carbonic acid, which also breaks down into water and carbon dioxide, leaving water or water and silver behind. There is no other solute to cause alkalization. You have to look at only the inorganic acids and bases to determine what the effect will be on the body. Marshall Nenah Sylver wrote: - Original Message - From: sol pcar...@wyoming.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 3:51 PM Subject: Re: CSPh of Distilled water? Nenah, Couple questions re acidic DW and CS: I often read that apple cider vinegar and acidic juices such as lemon juice, when ingested, actually have an alkalinizing effect in the body.so why doesn't acidic DW and CS do the same? TIA, paula == Good question, Paula. Certain liquids that register acid on pH paper have ingredients in them OTHER THAN the hydrogen and oxygen (which combined form water) that turns to alkaline ash in the body. I don't know if this is true for CS or not. No one has ever done a test on this as far as I know. As for distilled water: it appears that DW acidifies the body. But there's a lot more to it than that. Why don't you read the excerpt on my website, it's free. Regards, Nenah Nenah Sylver, Ph.D. Products, services, and information about health Author (under the name Nina Silver) of *The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing* Order the book and read excerpts at http://www.nenahsylver.com/ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPh of Distilled water?
Potassium can leach out of glass, which would change the ph. The only bottle I know of that should not affect the water is PTFE aka teflon. Marshall Jonathan B. Britten wrote: One comment on the below: I work (as a non-scientist) in a university specializing in nutrition. One colleague told me not so long ago about the difficulty of getting reliable distilled water; even from the best suppliers, selling top-grade DW with elaborate labeling, in brown glass bottles, the stuff changes over time. In particular, the pH at the time of use is often different from the number on the label at time of bottling. My colleague said that the water and the glass react, and implied that this variation in PH is just accepted as a part of life in science. I have no more details than this; it may be they send the water back to the vendor for a fresher batch when this happens, or maybe they just record the PH variation in their scientific papers. I did not press for details at the time; I was just trying to get some DW for my own needs. (I ended up ordering Springfield DW from an importer. It works fine.) Bottom line: even PhD nutrition scientists have to deal with variations in PH due to the interaction of water and the container. JBB On Thursday, Oct 2, 2003, at 03:42 Asia/Tokyo, Nenah Sylver wrote: - Original Message - From: Robert Berger bober...@swbell.net To: Nenah Sylver ne...@bestweb.net Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:44 PM Subject: Re: CSPh of Distilled water? Hi Nenah, With all due respects to your education, the fact is that what is being sold as distilled water does not have a pH of 7 !!! PURE water is very aggressive and is not called the universal solvent without reason. Ole Bob Bob, There is no argument between us. Please hear what I am saying. I think this is important enough to post to the list; I hope you don't mind (even though you courteously sent me this message privately). By definition, if something marketed as distilled water has a pH of either higher or lower than 7.0, it is no longer distilled, or pure -- that is, containing SOLELY hydrogen or oxygen. Any pH of higher or lower than 7.0 means that the water has *something else* in it. The moment water containing solely hydrogen and oxygen leaches something into it, it is no longer distilled. This is not something I am making up; it's simply the definition of distilled water. It is very easy for DW to lose its distilled status precisely *because* it does such a good job of leaching out things from its environment. If water is called the universal solvent (which I already know) -- and for a good reason -- consider how much of a solvent DISTILLED water can be. Distilled water, which does not exist in nature, can be an even more aggressive solvent: the moment DW touches something, it will dissolve something into itself -- in many instances even more aggressively than non-distilled water -- in an effort to balance itself by bringing dissolved sediments, minerals, etc. into itself. It is difficult to obtain genuine, pure distilled water precisely *because* the moment the DW touches something, it will begin to either interact with its container (leaching out plastic, for instance), or the air (leaching out carbon dioxide, thus making the water undesirably acidic if you're using it for drinking). It is fortunate indeed that water with a 5.5 pH (which is *incorrectly* marketed as distilled, even though it may have been distilled *before* being poured into its plastic container) has been found by many people to be good for making colloidal silver. However, it is a problem for ME. I know how harmful it can be to drink acidic water. The drinking of acidic water will have to be balanced against the benefits of using colloidal silver. I am not at all making a case against CS -- I have seen the tremendous benefits of CS. What I am commenting on is the use of *excessively* acidic water to make CS. I did not drink my last batch of CS for a reason; and I think that reason was because my intuition was telling me that that particular batch of CS was too acidic for either me or my animals to drink. In other words, it is possible for the microbe-killing abilities of the CS to be outweighed by the ability of acidic water to harm the system. My education about distilled water is sound, and I stand behind it. For my research on distilled water that I included in my Rife Handbook, I enlisted the help of chemist Dr. Dick Wullaert, head of the Functional Water Society with years of experience in water, minerals, water electrolysis, and more. Dick has worked with top scientists all over the world developing various electrolyzed and so-called clustered waters. I trust Dick's experience and research. I do not make
CSWayback Machine
Some broken or missing links can be accessed here: http://www.archive.org/ I think it was 'ole' Bob that said not to clean the anode, I never do and when a batch is incomplete or finished I leave the wires in the solution until I transfer it to a bottle then fill the brewing jar with DW. I keep my wires wet at all times and might clean my brewing jar once a year. Just checked some two or three year old CS that I keep in Arizona Ice Tea (blue) Memory Tonic bottles that you no longer can buy because it had Ginkgo Biloba in it. Just as pretty as when I first made it with very little fallout. Sometimes I drink a couple of quarts of CS a day. I think the Wayback Machine name was taken from the Rocky and Bullwinkle cartoon. Michael
Re: CSCS and nebulizer
Cured my asthma. Gone, is no more. I now run up and down stairs and am again scuba diving. Used a combination of CS with a nebulizer 2 times a day and a Terminator zapper made by Don Croft. I still use the Terminator a lot for other benefits; continue to use CS for many things and any time feel at all congested or even feels like a stuffy nose I use the nebulizer. Have been great for over a year and a half. This same regimen has also worked with my 6 year old grandson who had asthma and was allergic to dogs, cats, dust etc. etc. He is free of asthma and almost free of his allergies. BTW they have not come home from school with a runny nose or cold or flu since starting the CS program over a year ago. This site has some nebulizers you might be interested in. http://www.portablenebs.com/omroncompair.htm Be Well and Prosper, Terry - Original Message - From: Robert Combis To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 3:18 PM Subject: CSCS and nebulizer I am having trouble posting to this list...sorry if it is a repost Does anyone use CS through a neubulizer or humidifier to treat chronic asthma? Is one more effective than the other? Do both need to be ultrasonic for the treatment to work? My girlfriend has chronic bronchitis and so far with oral ingestion of CS she has been sick free for months, but she still has asthma and I am sure it is related with the chronic bronchitis. So I would like to find a method to effectively treat her naturally if she does get the bronchitis and I would like to do some proactive stuff to help her asthma which should also prevent her from the bronchitis. I am thinking that a neubulizer with CS may help her asthma, but I would like to her other's opinions. Can someone recommend a nebulizer that they have used before and found effective? I am researching the mystigue ultrasonic nebulizer and it seems fine to me, but I have no experience with these things. http://www.portablenebs.com/mystique.htm Also will any ultrasonic cool mist humidifier be effective in distributing CS in the air. I was at wal-mart and I saw a vicks ultrasonic unit for $60. I just don't want to buy the wrong type of unit for both applications Thanks and have a great day!!! Rob -- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search
CSwhat to buy?
Hi folks, What and where is a good brand to buy a cs machine for around $100. Also where can I buy pure cs material? When you are making cs is their vapors or any smells released during the process? I have severe multiple chemical sensitivities. Thanks in advance. Debbie Skinner -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSwhat to buy?
http://silverpuppy.com/Look at this one. I have one and love it. Many of my friends have purchased the silverpuppy and all are happy with it. Be Well and Prosper, Terry - Original Message - From: D S angelgirl1...@webtv.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 1:47 PM Subject: CSwhat to buy? Hi folks, What and where is a good brand to buy a cs machine for around $100. Also where can I buy pure cs material? When you are making cs is their vapors or any smells released during the process? I have severe multiple chemical sensitivities. Thanks in advance. Debbie Skinner -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSlooking for information on silica sources
I'm thinking of some good information on supplementing with silica. I've read Klaus Kaufmanns books and would like to try silica gel but the it ocmes in such small amounts and is expensive. Any suggestions on getting my silica intake up an abosorbably form? Would the silica from horsetail be as asorbable as the silica gel? I'd appreciate any information anyone might have on how to reasonably supplement. Thanks Lynn __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: sick from cs
url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m62917.html Re: CSRE: sick from cs From: M. G. Devour Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 05:01:46 Norma writes: One individual on the list said that they had gotten really sick from some bad cs years back. How would we ever be able to determine it was bad? I don't know exactly what Mike M. experienced, but if I remember correctly he attributed his reaction to some contamination on the electrodes. It's generally recommended that you keep your electrodes clean and avoid touching them, setting them on the kitchen counter, and so on. Don't use things like soap or scrubby pads unless they are dedicated to only the one task and kept clean. Hi Mike, Your memory is very good! From the Shingles article on my web page: Contamination I cannot emphasize strongly enough to protect the silver rods from contamination. Do not let them rest on the table. Do not touch the rods with your fingers - use ordinary tissue paper to wipe the black silver off. Once, I somehow contaminated one rod with oil. There was a small brown spot in the bottom of the glass when I finished making the silver. I thought nothing of it, but got a severe tummy ache after drinking the solution. I now have a lid to cover the glass, and the rods are fixed to the lid. When filling the glass, the lid is placed on the table with the rods in the air - I never let them touch anything. Warning - ugly photos: http://www.geocities.com/mrmonett/shingles/0shin.htm#contim I should mention I keep my cs generator on the lab bench next to my computer and oscilloscope. I don't know how the rod became contaminated, but having the rods loose and lying on the bench was clearly a bad idea. Fixing them to the lid solved the problem. Mike, I'm not sure if cleaning the electrodes with soap is a good idea, since it might leave a residue. It might not make anyone sick, but it might affect the cs process. Also, a scrub pad might pick up contamination or bacteria over time and transfer it to the rods: http://users.wmin.ac.uk/~redwayk/research/kitchen98.htm I use isopropyl alcohol on a small pad made with plain unbleached toilet tissue, then discard the pad. The tissue is kept in a safe location where it can't get contaminated. Paula just posted a good description of how easy it is for this to happen: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m62861.html Also, I watch the process carefully. If something doesn't look right, I toss the batch and start over. Of course, I do a lot of experiments, so this happens quite often:) Since we intend to drink the cs, we have to be sensitive to the possibility of contamination. Following simple rules of hygiene and watching how you treat the rods should eliminate any problems. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSYellow tinted CS!!
url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m62914.html Re: CSYellow tinted CS!! From: Jason Eaton Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 01:36:44 Jason, I replied early this morning to your post. I don't know why it's taking so long to appear in the archives, but I'll wait a while longer before reposting. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: sick from cs
Hi CS friends, For what it's worth: according to Hulda Clark (in her book The cure for all diseases) isopropyl alcohol should be avoided like the plague! She says it is poison. So it's not suitable for cleaning electrodes I suppose. Best regards, Luut Verbeek
Re: CSRE: sick from cs
url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m62930.html Re: CSRE: sick from cs From: luut.verbeek Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:44:44 Hi CS friends, For what it's worth: according to Hulda Clark (in her book The cure for all diseases) isopropyl alcohol should be avoided like the plague! She says it is poison. So it's not suitable for cleaning electrodes I suppose. Best regards, Luut Verbeek Yes, isoprope is obviously poisonous and very dangerous to drink. But we are not drinking it. It has the advantage that it dissolves organic contamination, like fingerprints. I believe it evaporates completely and leaves very little residue. Here is a specification for alcohol residue. It may not apply to the regular drug store isoprope we use, but it gives an idea of how well alcohol evaporates: (e) Limit of non-volatile residue: Evaporate 40 ml in a tared dish on a waterbath, and dry at 105°C for 1 hour. The weight of the residue should not exceed 1 mg. http://www.distill.com/specs/US-4.html There may be stabilizers in the isoprope, such as peroxide. I don't think they present a contamination problem, but if anyone has better information, please post it. We also have to be careful about the kind of wiping pad to use. I believe paper bleached with chlorine may contain some salt residue. Even a small amount might be a significant source of contamination, so I use unbleached tissue and discard it after use. Even the sweat from our hands can be a problem. It contains salt, and a small amount transferred to the rods could cause a significant reduction in the resulting ppm. Remember, we are working with very small concentrations of silver ions - perhaps 10 to 20 ppm. It doesn't take much contamination to have a significant effect. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: sick from cs
- Original Message - From: luut.verb...@freeler.nl To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 4:41 PM Subject: Re: CSRE: sick from cs Hi CS friends, For what it's worth: according to Hulda Clark (in her book The cure for all diseases) isopropyl alcohol should be avoided like the plague! She says it is poison. So it's not suitable for cleaning electrodes I suppose. Best regards, Luut Verbeek I always clean my silver electrodes with 3% food grade hydrogen peroxide. It works for me. Nenah -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSwhat to buy?
D S 10/2/03 10:47 AM Wrote: What and where is a good brand to buy a cs machine for around $100 Hi Debbie, at the price that you mention there is only 1 choice -- the series 2 Silver Puppy http://www.silverpuppy.com/ Also where can I buy pure cs material? You obviously haven't spent much time reading about Colloidal Silver -- you don't ...buy pure cs material? If youare asking about where to purchase manufactured CS, then there are so many sources that I wouldn't try to answer that question. When you are making cs is their vapors or any smells released during the process? THERE ARE no smells or vapors connected with the production of CS ( colloidal silver ). I have severe multiple chemical sensitivities. CS doesn't help with those. What do you plan to use CS for? Thanks in advance. Jack Dayton j...@cslist.user.org -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: sick from cs
I put the silver under running water wipe with a Q tip - Original Message - From: Nenah Sylver ne...@bestweb.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 5:56 PM Subject: Re: CSRE: sick from cs - Original Message - From: luut.verb...@freeler.nl To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 4:41 PM Subject: Re: CSRE: sick from cs Hi CS friends, For what it's worth: according to Hulda Clark (in her book The cure for all diseases) isopropyl alcohol should be avoided like the plague! She says it is poison. So it's not suitable for cleaning electrodes I suppose. Best regards, Luut Verbeek I always clean my silver electrodes with 3% food grade hydrogen peroxide. It works for me. Nenah -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWayback Machine
R.e. the archive.org link below: Some pages from altcancer.com are preserved here, but most are not. Jason did good. JBB On Friday, Oct 3, 2003, at 00:48 Asia/Tokyo, bliv...@aol.com wrote: Some broken or missing links can be accessed here: http://www.archive.org/ I think it was 'ole' Bob that said not to clean the anode, I never do and when a batch is incomplete or finished I leave the wires in the solution until I transfer it to a bottle then fill the brewing jar with DW. I keep my wires wet at all times and might clean my brewing jar once a year. Just checked some two or three year old CS that I keep in Arizona Ice Tea (blue) Memory Tonic bottles that you no longer can buy because it had Ginkgo Biloba in it. Just as pretty as when I first made it with very little fallout. Sometimes I drink a couple of quarts of CS a day. I think the Wayback Machine name was taken from the Rocky and Bullwinkle cartoon. Michael
Re: CSCS and Soft Contact Lenses
Since these are a test/freebie pair of lenses, and as I have received no responses from my question below, I will begin using a drop of CS (as I feel are needed) in my eyes while wearing the lenses. My main concern was that the CS would stain the lenses as it does some other surfaces. I'll let y'all know if any effects (positive or negative) occur in the next few weeks or so. Thanks again... Ruth - Original Message - From: Ruth To: Silverlist Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 5:49 PM Subject: CSCS and Soft Contact Lenses Do any of y'all know if it's ok to use CS drops while soft contact lenses are in my eyes? I just started re-wearing soft contacts and it used to be that you should only use drops made specifically for soft lenses. The ones I just got are the 30 day Night Day Ciba Vision lenses (made to wear and sleep in for up to 30 days then throw away and start wearing a new pair). Any information and input you can give is appreciated. Thanks in advance!! Ruth
Re: CSYellow tinted CS!!
As for Mike's rather sarcastic remarks below, I will say only that there is much to be learned, and that closemindedness precludes learning.A simple point: it could be that his set-up is so well regulated that it eliminates the lunar influence which I and others have observed. This is an obvious and certainly a possibility. I see no cause for such remarks as he makes. As for lunar influence, the work of a Dr. H. S. Burr at Yale, though not widely studied, shows a variety of fascinating and subtle effects of various cycles on biological activity.I will not go and on and with this. I did discover something interesting: moon cycles may be connected to global warming. I had never thought of that! See http://www.cei.org/gencon/014,02819.cfm JBB On Thursday, Oct 2, 2003, at 16:46 Asia/Tokyo, Jason Eaton wrote: Mike: Why don't you, however, share the lab results that were obtained from the study of your production process? And contrast that to the readings you swore you would get? Yes, I am aware of the lab results obtained from your product specifications; what I'm surprised at is your instance that theory outways analytical study -- still. It is quite baffling, but I do enjoy your explorations, ideas, and reports immensely. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Mike Monett 31dtzj...@sneakemail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:05 AM Subject: Re: CSYellow tinted CS!! url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m62910.html Re: CSYellow tinted CS!! From: Harvey Norris Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 23:01:03 The moon is too far away to influence any of the parameters that affect the cs process. When you get unrepeatable results, you need to control these parameters better. Best Regards, Mike Monett You're up against the consensus here, Thomas the Doubter... scientifically schooled and scientifically fooled. HDN, I need no futher comments here just to make my snyde comments Hyde... Yes, Harvey, I guess you got me pegged. I don't believe in magic or witchcraft. I don't believe in free energy, over-unity, or Tom Bearden's scalar waves. I don't believe in a lot of things that scams are made from. And I don't believe solar flares or the phase of the moon can affect the production of cs. I believe in controlling contamination, current density at the electrodes, quality of the dw, and using precision constant current sources, Faraday's equations, and good instrumentation. And my cs is not affected by the phase of the moon. So the next time you make cs during a full moon, take your frog, circle the cs generator three times in a counterclockwise direction to set up the proper vortex, then three times in a clockwise direction, all the while chanting your favorite mantra. Then eat the frog. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 09/02/2003
Re: CSYellow tinted CS!!
See also: http://educate-yourself.org/cs/csmooneffects17aug0.shtml On Friday, Oct 3, 2003, at 10:29 Asia/Tokyo, Jonathan B. Britten wrote: As for Mike's rather sarcastic remarks below, I will say only that there is much to be learned, and that closemindedness precludes learning.A simple point: it could be that his set-up is so well regulated that it eliminates the lunar influence which I and others have observed. This is an obvious and certainly a possibility. I see no cause for such remarks as he makes. As for lunar influence, the work of a Dr. H. S. Burr at Yale, though not widely studied, shows a variety of fascinating and subtle effects of various cycles on biological activity.I will not go and on and with this. I did discover something interesting: moon cycles may be connected to global warming. I had never thought of that! See http://www.cei.org/gencon/014,02819.cfm JBB On Thursday, Oct 2, 2003, at 16:46 Asia/Tokyo, Jason Eaton wrote: Mike: Why don't you, however, share the lab results that were obtained from the study of your production process? And contrast that to the readings you swore you would get? Yes, I am aware of the lab results obtained from your product specifications; what I'm surprised at is your instance that theory outways analytical study -- still. It is quite baffling, but I do enjoy your explorations, ideas, and reports immensely. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Mike Monett 31dtzj...@sneakemail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:05 AM Subject: Re: CSYellow tinted CS!! url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m62910.html Re: CSYellow tinted CS!! From: Harvey Norris Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 23:01:03 The moon is too far away to influence any of the parameters that affect the cs process. When you get unrepeatable results, you need to control these parameters better. Best Regards, Mike Monett You're up against the consensus here, Thomas the Doubter... scientifically schooled and scientifically fooled. HDN, I need no futher comments here just to make my snyde comments Hyde... Yes, Harvey, I guess you got me pegged. I don't believe in magic or witchcraft. I don't believe in free energy, over-unity, or Tom Bearden's scalar waves. I don't believe in a lot of things that scams are made from. And I don't believe solar flares or the phase of the moon can affect the production of cs. I believe in controlling contamination, current density at the electrodes, quality of the dw, and using precision constant current sources, Faraday's equations, and good instrumentation. And my cs is not affected by the phase of the moon. So the next time you make cs during a full moon, take your frog, circle the cs generator three times in a counterclockwise direction to set up the proper vortex, then three times in a clockwise direction, all the while chanting your favorite mantra. Then eat the frog. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 09/02/2003
RE: CSPh of Distilled water?A couple of questions JOH
Hello Nena, Will adding enough Sodium Hydrogen Carbonate to distilled water to get the PPM to about 4.5 offset the acidity? Very briefly, what harm does the acidic water do? Thank you in advance, JOH -Original Message- From: Nenah Sylver [mailto:ne...@bestweb.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:43 PM To: bober...@swbell.net; silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSPh of Distilled water? - Original Message - From: Robert Berger bober...@swbell.net To: Nenah Sylver ne...@bestweb.net Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:44 PM Subject: Re: CSPh of Distilled water? Hi Nenah, With all due respects to your education, the fact is that what is being sold as distilled water does not have a pH of 7 !!! PURE water is very aggressive and is not called the universal solvent without reason. Ole Bob Bob, There is no argument between us. Please hear what I am saying. I think this is important enough to post to the list; I hope you don't mind (even though you courteously sent me this message privately). By definition, if something marketed as distilled water has a pH of either higher or lower than 7.0, it is no longer distilled, or pure -- that is, containing SOLELY hydrogen or oxygen. Any pH of higher or lower than 7.0 means that the water has *something else* in it. The moment water containing solely hydrogen and oxygen leaches something into it, it is no longer distilled. This is not something I am making up; it's simply the definition of distilled water. It is very easy for DW to lose its distilled status precisely *because* it does such a good job of leaching out things from its environment. If water is called the universal solvent (which I already know) -- and for a good reason -- consider how much of a solvent DISTILLED water can be. Distilled water, which does not exist in nature, can be an even more aggressive solvent: the moment DW touches something, it will dissolve something into itself -- in many instances even more aggressively than non-distilled water -- in an effort to balance itself by bringing dissolved sediments, minerals, etc. into itself. It is difficult to obtain genuine, pure distilled water precisely *because* the moment the DW touches something, it will begin to either interact with its container (leaching out plastic, for instance), or the air (leaching out carbon dioxide, thus making the water undesirably acidic if you're using it for drinking). It is fortunate indeed that water with a 5.5 pH (which is *incorrectly* marketed as distilled, even though it may have been distilled *before* being poured into its plastic container) has been found by many people to be good for making colloidal silver. However, it is a problem for ME. I know how harmful it can be to drink acidic water. The drinking of acidic water will have to be balanced against the benefits of using colloidal silver. I am not at all making a case against CS -- I have seen the tremendous benefits of CS. What I am commenting on is the use of *excessively* acidic water to make CS. I did not drink my last batch of CS for a reason; and I think that reason was because my intuition was telling me that that particular batch of CS was too acidic for either me or my animals to drink. In other words, it is possible for the microbe-killing abilities of the CS to be outweighed by the ability of acidic water to harm the system. My education about distilled water is sound, and I stand behind it. For my research on distilled water that I included in my Rife Handbook, I enlisted the help of chemist Dr. Dick Wullaert, head of the Functional Water Society with years of experience in water, minerals, water electrolysis, and more. Dick has worked with top scientists all over the world developing various electrolyzed and so-called clustered waters. I trust Dick's experience and research. I do not make this post lightly and am not villifying anyone for using acidic water to make CS. Rather, I am stating my *own* preference to obtain distilled water in as pure state as possible, due to the numerous serious problems that arise when people drink acidic water. I encourage you or anyone else to read the excerpt on water and minerals from my Rife Handbook. To learn more about pH and the body, click the Products link, then Inner Light, and then the article called Why You Need To Detoxify Your System. I would still love to find a good source of distilled water that is as close to a pH or 7.0 as possible, as I miss not having colloidal silver to use against infections. I welcome all suggestions, especially about who sells the best distiller. Best regards, Nenah Nenah Sylver, Ph.D. Products, services, and information about health Author (under the name Nina Silver) of *The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing* Order the book and read excerpts at http://www.nenahsylver.com/ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at:
Re: CSCool Mist H202
what are you vaporizing CS for?...Robb - Original Message - From: Jason Eaton To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 4:05 AM Subject: Re: CSCool Mist H202 Rob: Good for you! I do the same thing with silver: Crank up the volume until you notice a rash, then back off just a touch and HOLD, as long as there are absolutley no pulmonary symptoms accompanied as a part of a herx. With H2o2, my thoughts are to practice a bit more caution ( compared to silver ). Upon resumption, after your herx symptoms have subsided, the next herx reaction should be less pronounced. My idea of caution, however, is based on lack of experience with h2o2 and the lungs ( my brief experience was only with silver and h2o2 in the lungs, something I will not repeat ); I know quite a few people who have extensively used h2o2 IV therapy, and safely, although the caustic nature of H2o2 is hard on the veins. In the cases I'm aware of, silver was eventually substituted, and worked more effectively ( via ultrasonic nebulizer ), but that doesn't mean it always will! My understanding is that proponents of oxygen therapies nearly unanimously agree that it is safer to utilize h2o2 via any means other than oral. The pathway from the lungs to the bloodstream is a very short one; of course this is dependant upon the SUBSTANCE inhaled. Please let us know your continuing experience! Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Robb Allen To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 11:11 PM Subject: CSCool Mist H202 Hi Everyone I was readying the other day where a more effective way to introduce H202 to your body was to use cool mist humidifiers. I decided to try it and I added 8 ounces of 2% to 1 gallon of water. I left the humidifier on for the entire nite while I was sleeping. The next day I woke up not feeling any different aside from my nose being a little clearer. I decided at that moment to try it further to see what if anything would happen. At about 8pm that same day I began herxing really bad. I felt like I had the flu. Joints were aching really bad and I felt hot and sweaty. I did this for 3 days straight and I'm still having the herx symptoms. I'm going to stop for a few days and see if the symptoms go away. If they do then I know I am on to something good here. I generally have a low temperature so my thinking is that I have an oxydation problem in my body. I'm not sure how good the pathway is from your lungs to your bloodstream.I'm not an expert.but I would think that it should be more effective than drinking that nasty stuff!! I have never felt any benefits to drinking h2o2.but this experience is tottally different. Does anyone have any thoughts about this protocol? I also have heard that after a few weeks my hair could turn lighter..so I'll keep an eye on that toothanks..Robb --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 09/02/2003
RE: CSPh of Distilled water?
It dissolves a small amount of silica. JOH -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 6:34 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSPh of Distilled water? One comment on the below: I work (as a non-scientist) in a university specializing in nutrition. One colleague told me not so long ago about the difficulty of getting reliable distilled water; even from the best suppliers, selling top-grade DW with elaborate labeling, in brown glass bottles, the stuff changes over time. In particular, the pH at the time of use is often different from the number on the label at time of bottling. My colleague said that the water and the glass react, and implied that this variation in PH is just accepted as a part of life in science. I have no more details than this; it may be they send the water back to the vendor for a fresher batch when this happens, or maybe they just record the PH variation in their scientific papers. I did not press for details at the time; I was just trying to get some DW for my own needs. (I ended up ordering Springfield DW from an importer. It works fine.) Bottom line: even PhD nutrition scientists have to deal with variations in PH due to the interaction of water and the container. JBB On Thursday, Oct 2, 2003, at 03:42 Asia/Tokyo, Nenah Sylver wrote: - Original Message - From: Robert Berger bober...@swbell.net To: Nenah Sylver ne...@bestweb.net Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:44 PM Subject: Re: CSPh of Distilled water? Hi Nenah, With all due respects to your education, the fact is that what is being sold as distilled water does not have a pH of 7 !!! PURE water is very aggressive and is not called the universal solvent without reason. Ole Bob Bob, There is no argument between us. Please hear what I am saying. I think this is important enough to post to the list; I hope you don't mind (even though you courteously sent me this message privately). By definition, if something marketed as distilled water has a pH of either higher or lower than 7.0, it is no longer distilled, or pure -- that is, containing SOLELY hydrogen or oxygen. Any pH of higher or lower than 7.0 means that the water has *something else* in it. The moment water containing solely hydrogen and oxygen leaches something into it, it is no longer distilled. This is not something I am making up; it's simply the definition of distilled water. It is very easy for DW to lose its distilled status precisely *because* it does such a good job of leaching out things from its environment. If water is called the universal solvent (which I already know) -- and for a good reason -- consider how much of a solvent DISTILLED water can be. Distilled water, which does not exist in nature, can be an even more aggressive solvent: the moment DW touches something, it will dissolve something into itself -- in many instances even more aggressively than non-distilled water -- in an effort to balance itself by bringing dissolved sediments, minerals, etc. into itself. It is difficult to obtain genuine, pure distilled water precisely *because* the moment the DW touches something, it will begin to either interact with its container (leaching out plastic, for instance), or the air (leaching out carbon dioxide, thus making the water undesirably acidic if you're using it for drinking). It is fortunate indeed that water with a 5.5 pH (which is *incorrectly* marketed as distilled, even though it may have been distilled *before* being poured into its plastic container) has been found by many people to be good for making colloidal silver. However, it is a problem for ME. I know how harmful it can be to drink acidic water. The drinking of acidic water will have to be balanced against the benefits of using colloidal silver. I am not at all making a case against CS -- I have seen the tremendous benefits of CS. What I am commenting on is the use of *excessively* acidic water to make CS. I did not drink my last batch of CS for a reason; and I think that reason was because my intuition was telling me that that particular batch of CS was too acidic for either me or my animals to drink. In other words, it is possible for the microbe-killing abilities of the CS to be outweighed by the ability of acidic water to harm the system. My education about distilled water is sound, and I stand behind it. For my research on distilled water that I included in my Rife Handbook, I enlisted the help of chemist Dr. Dick Wullaert, head of the Functional Water Society with years of experience in water, minerals, water electrolysis, and more. Dick has worked with top scientists all over the world developing various electrolyzed and so-called clustered waters. I trust Dick's experience and research. I do not make this
RE: CSPh of Distilled water?
Hi Marshall, What is your understanding of the effect of drinking acidic distilled water? JOH -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 8:41 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSPh of Distilled water? Because of the nature of the acids. The vinegar and juices have light metals in them, like potassium, calcium and so forth that alkalinize. That acidic portion is an organic acid, and breaks down into water and carbon dioxide, so it has no effect on the body's balance. The acid in DW or CS would be carbonic acid, which also breaks down into water and carbon dioxide, leaving water or water and silver behind. There is no other solute to cause alkalization. You have to look at only the inorganic acids and bases to determine what the effect will be on the body. Marshall Nenah Sylver wrote: - Original Message - From: sol pcar...@wyoming.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 3:51 PM Subject: Re: CSPh of Distilled water? Nenah, Couple questions re acidic DW and CS: I often read that apple cider vinegar and acidic juices such as lemon juice, when ingested, actually have an alkalinizing effect in the body.so why doesn't acidic DW and CS do the same? TIA, paula == Good question, Paula. Certain liquids that register acid on pH paper have ingredients in them OTHER THAN the hydrogen and oxygen (which combined form water) that turns to alkaline ash in the body. I don't know if this is true for CS or not. No one has ever done a test on this as far as I know. As for distilled water: it appears that DW acidifies the body. But there's a lot more to it than that. Why don't you read the excerpt on my website, it's free. Regards, Nenah Nenah Sylver, Ph.D. Products, services, and information about health Author (under the name Nina Silver) of *The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing* Order the book and read excerpts at http://www.nenahsylver.com/ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSlow ppm- concentrated CS- what?
Ole Bob, Marshall, Ode, Trem, Mike, Silver Friends One and All, I need help in understanding why my generator for concentrated CS is outputting very low ppm. Can somebody help? Today I did a first trial run of an automated switching device, for the generator shown at http://www.purifier.com.np/CS.html This is to make the concentrated CS needed for saturation of ceramic water purifiers. Unfortunately the electronic engineers didn't quite get the device right, so there are big disparities in the times between the two electrodes. i.e. I wanted to reverse poles every minute, but at that setting it's 60 seconds at one electrode and 45 at the other. So I chose the lowest setting, where the percentage disparity is lowest, one electrode 23 seconds and the other 28. Could the short period between reversals be giving less ionic silver per time? One puzzling aspect is that the appearance of the CS seems to be the same as for the really concentrated stuff, bright red to transmitted light, but so dark that it appears gray unless a bright light is shined through. I diluted 9:1, expecting I'd need to do this to get within the range of the Hanna Instruments PWT, but ended up with only 2.4 uS. Checking the 'concentrated' stuff I get 24 uS. But this certainly doesn't resemble any other 24 to 30 ppm I've ever seen. At 9:1 the 2.4 uS is bright orange. Could this be very low ppm of big particles, thus the bright orange? Or am I just doing something wrong? Could I be misinterpreting the use of the PWT. It's also puzzling that there is a very strong Tyndall Effect, the solution emanating a kind of pearly iridescence. Thanks in advance. Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSlow ppm- concentrated CS- what?
Everybody, Now I'm wondering if my PWT may need calibration. For one thing the de-ionized distilled water I use, which I was told is about 7.0 TDS (7.0 mg./l.) has indicated 0.2 uS on the PWT. Does this sound about right? I first thought that 7.0 TDS would read around 5.0 to 7.0 uS? Is the device haywire or am I? Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWayback Machine
Greetings, all: I am pleased to announce that I have authorization to republish the entire altcancer.com website, and will shortly be making preperations to do so. Greg is also thinking about making CD's of the website available as well, although I'm not EXACTLY certain why - perhaps to help with the legal challenges that lie ahead. For the time being, once setup, the new home for altcancer.com will be: altcancer.silvermedicine.org When this website is setup, it would be advantageous for those with websites to link to the domain, if it does not interfere with their own project aims, for search engine indexing purposes. For those of you who have had no dealings with altcancer.com, this will give you the opportunity to view some extraordinary information, including the photo testimonials and independent research that they have become well known for world-wide. As an example, I've seen six skin cancer cures, including at least two melanomas, with a single 50.00 purchase of their product, and observed extraordinarily drastic PH increases from saturating the body with Alkaline Water from their HRX product, which as at least twice as good as the Potassium Hydroxide solutions I can buy locally. Their healing clay line was a direct result of our collaborative research, and while I don't believe their bentonite is the best on the market, it is a virgin clay for sale at a fraction of the costs that other alt health care marketeers charged. I was looking forward to testing their new line of edible ( and some made w/ silver ) zappers from the Russian Federation, but sadly did not purchase any to test, and may not have the opportunity to do so. Their ozonated healing salves were fantastic, and when used in conjunction with both silver and clay, completely eliminated scar tissue in three skin cancer removals I observed. Best Regards, Jason P.S. Thank you Mike for the suggestion to download the website, and for tolerating my off-topic posting! Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Jonathan B. Britten To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 6:19 PM Subject: Re: CSWayback Machine R.e. the archive.org link below: Some pages from altcancer.com are preserved here, but most are not. Jason did good. JBB On Friday, Oct 3, 2003, at 00:48 Asia/Tokyo, bliv...@aol.com wrote: Some broken or missing links can be accessed here: http://www.archive.org/ I think it was 'ole' Bob that said not to clean the anode, I never do and when a batch is incomplete or finished I leave the wires in the solution until I transfer it to a bottle then fill the brewing jar with DW. I keep my wires wet at all times and might clean my brewing jar once a year. Just checked some two or three year old CS that I keep in Arizona Ice Tea (blue) Memory Tonic bottles that you no longer can buy because it had Ginkgo Biloba in it. Just as pretty as when I first made it with very little fallout. Sometimes I drink a couple of quarts of CS a day. I think the Wayback Machine name was taken from the Rocky and Bullwinkle cartoon. Michael --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 09/01/2003
Re: CSlow ppm- concentrated CS- what?
Reid: .2 uS is good water, compared to the distilled water I've been testing lately off the shelf. I usually don't have very good luck water water if it gets above 1.0 uS, and I'm thrilled on the rare occasion of measuring 0.6 in the brewing vessel prior to production. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Reid Harvey pott...@wlink.com.np To: silver list silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 8:37 PM Subject: CSlow ppm- concentrated CS- what? Everybody, Now I'm wondering if my PWT may need calibration. For one thing the de-ionized distilled water I use, which I was told is about 7.0 TDS (7.0 mg./l.) has indicated 0.2 uS on the PWT. Does this sound about right? I first thought that 7.0 TDS would read around 5.0 to 7.0 uS? Is the device haywire or am I? Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 09/01/2003
Re: CS Trem, Question about uS/PPM conversion
Well Bob, it's microsiemens, the thingys that you've been working with for how many years now? Are you saying you're just too old to learn? Or, too lazy to use a spellcheck? No wonder Mike M mistrusts your data BTW, tinkers dam IS correct. Congrats!!! Chuck Statistically speaking, I am just a standard deviate. On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:01:28 -0500, Robert Berger bober...@swbell.net wrote: There is one difference between my conductivity measurements and the PWT. As I understand it a PWT measures microSeimens, and I measure microSeimens per cubic centimeter, as my probe is a 1 x 1 x1 cm cell. Ole Bob P.S. for Chuck, I don't know if its Siemens or Seimens, and don't give a tinkers dam as to me they are still mhos! Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS and nebulizer
- Original Message - From: J J mennj...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 8:35 AM Subject: RE: CSCS and nebulizer Al wrote: snip... If you take it in through the nose, most of it condenses on the hairs in the nose, some gets to the sinuses (if you breathe hard enough) and very little to the lungs. Persist with the mouth breathing and you should be O.K. Hope this helps. Al Davis Interesting claim, Al. Would it be possible to support it with a little more detail? My comments were made to Robert, who inquired about using a nebulizer for bronchitis/asthma. Having some success in this area, I ventured to share my experiences and observations with him. In using the nebulizer for my no longer existing bronchial and pneumonic plague and based upon some other observations regarding using a CS spray for sinuses, I came to the following conclusions: 1. If you want to treat the bronchial tubes and lungs, breath through the mouth, so that that all of it goes to the target area. It will make you cough, initially. That's how you know it got there. 2. If you want to treat a sinus condition, breath through the nose sharply and deeply while spraying a mist up the nose from a spray bottle. It will burn like hell! That's how you know it got there. 3. If you want to treat a nose condition, spray it in your nose without breathing. It will stay there and burn and drip. That's how you know it got there. Early on in my nebulizer experience, I wasn't enjoying the coughing and decided to try nose breathing. I noticed 3 things: 1. I didn't cough. That's how I know it *didn't* get there. 2. My sinuses didn't burn. That's how I know it *didn't* get there. 3. I could feel the moisture on my nose hairs (like when you breathe in a very heavy fog) and my nose dripped. That's how I know it *did* get there. Since The order of entry in nose breathing is nose, sinuses, bronchial tubes, lungs, I concluded that the further you go, the less is available at the end point. And this is the basis for my previous comments to Robert. Not very objective scientifically, but it's as good as I get and it works for me. I have two basic rules I *try* to follow: 1. Neither believe nor disbelieve anything you hear until you've tried it. (Unless you've already tried it) 2. Do what works for you until it quits working. Then do something else. If it kills you, better luck next time! (There is no end). Al Davis -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
