CScyctitis

2005-06-26 Thread debbie cozens



I have had bad cyctitis for the past 6 days and my kidneys are startying to 
hurt..i refuse to go to the doctor for antibiotics..obviously!!!How much CS 
should i take and how often..please HELP

Debbie



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Re: CScyctitis

2005-06-26 Thread M. G. Devour
 I have had bad cyctitis for the past 6 days and my kidneys are
 startying to hurt..i refuse to go to the doctor for antibiotics...
 obviously!!! How much CS should i take and how often..please HELP 

Debbie,

Dosing is not a science. The key word is enough.

If you've used CS before, then you already know that you're not 
allergic to it, therefore you don't have to start with the few drops on 
the tongue that I suggest to new users, just in case.

Beyond that, it would be good if we knew what kind of CS you've got. If 
store-bought, which brand and what supposed strenght? If home made, 
what kind of generator and how brewed.

The usual advice is to start small and ramp up the dose until you have 
the effect you want. This is measured by either the symptoms improving 
or by the symptoms worsening (temporarily) in a Herxheimer reaction. 

In general, flu-like symptoms and a general yucky feeling mark the 
Herxheimer reaction. In severe cases Herx reactions can be life 
threatening, particularly in people who are already weakened. If there 
is a bad infection that is destroyed very rapidly by the treatment it 
can overwhelm the body, leading to a shock reaction that could require 
emergency treatment.

Thus the caution to start small and ramp up until some effect is noted, 
then hold at that level until effects subside. When that happens, ramp 
up the dose further until effects resume, but remain manageable, and so 
on. Keep at it a few days longer if all seems to be well, just to be 
sure...

So what sort of dose might you want to work up to?

First, I will *assume* an average CS brew of some 5 to 20 ppm in 
plain distilled water made with a simple generator.

For a very aggressive treatment, some of our members have reported good 
results taking a good mouthful (very precise measurement unit there!), 
swished around in your mouth for at least a couple of minutes before 
swallowing, taken every waking half hour to an hour.

To start slowly, just to be cautious of any severe Herx, I would 
probably wait a couple of hours between swallows at first.

One other thing is to consider adding Gatorade to the protocol. If you 
search the archives on that subject, you'll see that it is used to 
*drastically* increase the rate at which the CS enters the bloodstream.

Lastly, I want to say that, if push comes to shove, going to the doctor 
for antibiotics is not out of the question. I doubt it will be needed, 
but if your self-treatment is not effective within a reasonable time, 
the conventional alternative will serve as a safety net. Not without 
side effects, true, but safer than no treatment.

You must judge the risks and only you are responsible for the 
consequences of your health-care decisions. Don't take my suggestions 
as a substitute for your own judgement or that of your professional 
advisors.

Let us know how you do, please?

Be well,

Mike D.

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Re: CSSilver Gel

2005-06-26 Thread Ode Coyote
 I would think a jel would be less effective than a soaked bandage...but...
works works and convenience is convenience.
Gel should be made with VERY strong CS so ions and particles don't have to
migrate to make sufficient contact.  Particle size isn't much of an issue
topically.

Ode

At 05:51 PM 6/25/2005, you wrote:


Just a thought, but wouldn't the silver ions or particles be held in place
by a gel and be unable to move to the intended area it was meant to treat ?

Bill


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CSNeed help please

2005-06-26 Thread Marmar845
I know that several of you are on Dog and Cat lists -- is there any 
information available anywhere for diabetes in dogs?  My sister's Lhasa was 
just 
diagnosed and she's heartbroken -- she lost her Rottweiler not long ago to the 
same 
disease.  Any help will be appreciated.MA


Re: CSFw: Source of report of renal damage by silver?

2005-06-26 Thread angel nest
yes, i realized that after all the posts and my searches.

i just have to stay totally vigilant about what gets filtered through her 
kidneys now, she only has less than 20% of them functioning so every smallest 
little thing could be the thing that pushes her over the edge. 

i think i'm going to stop giving her cs just to see if there is any change in 
how she feels.  just in case...

thanks,
angel

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  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 8:08 AM
  Subject: Re: CSFw: Source of report of renal damage by silver?


   is the conclusion that we shouldn't be using cs with people who are
   kidney-compromised?

  There's no conclusion at this point, Angel. We've had one third hand 
  report of a medical person saying they'd heard there was a problem with 
  some sort of unspecified form of silver.

  Matthew has identified one article that *might* be the source of that 
  caution, but we have not even seen what it contains -- what kind of 
  silver in what sort of quantities over what period of time, etcetera.

  You must decide for yourself what you're going to do, as we always do. 
  We need to evaluate this sort of information as it comes along. The 
  truth needs to be known, whatever it is.

  For me, it's premature to conclude that a few ppm of silver in a few 
  ounces of water per day is going to do anything bad to my kidneys. 
  There's not yet any real evidence, only hints that there *might* be 
  some such evidence, maybe.

  That's my take on it.

  Be well,

  Mike D.
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Re: CScyctitis

2005-06-26 Thread Ruth Sargent
Debbie: I to have acase of cyctitis ,though I did'nt take cs don't have; But 
went to Doctors he put me on Cipro for 7 days completely better along with lots 
of water. Don't wait !
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  From: debbie cozens 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 2:11 AM
  Subject: CScyctitis





I have had bad cyctitis for the past 6 days and my kidneys are startying to 
hurt..i refuse to go to the doctor for antibiotics..obviously!!!How much CS 
should i take and how often..please HELP

Debbie



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CSRe:Re: CScyctitis

2005-06-26 Thread William Amos
Are we talking about CYSTITIS ?

Take Colloidal Silver as directed on the label or 10 oz per day
Garlic (Kyolic from Wakunaga) 2 caps 3 times a day
Vitamin C plus bioflavonoids 1000 mg daily

Check with your pharmacist for the Bayer N-Multistix reagent strips home 
testing kit for UTI.

Bill
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Debbie: I to have acase of cyctitis ,though I did'nt take cs don't have;  But 
went to Doctors he put me on Cipro for 7 days completely better  along with 
lots of water. Don't wait !
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  From: debbie cozens 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 2:11 AM
  Subject: CScyctitis





I have had bad cyctitis for the past 6 days and my kidneys are  startying 
to hurt..i refuse to go to the doctor for 
antibiotics..obviously!!!How much CS should i take and how often..please  
HELP

Debbie



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Re: CScyctitis

2005-06-26 Thread Grace1way
Debbie:

The Cipro probably would work very well.  Make sure if you do go to the 
doctor to get antibiotics he does a culture and sensitivity, so that if the 
organism is immune to the Cipro, he will find out in four days which antibiotic 
would 
work.  

Here is a possible plan for your situation:

Have a culture and sensitivity done by a doctor, immediately.  Get a 
prescription for Cipro, but do not start taking it until the sensitivity test 
shows 
that it will be effective.  Meanwhile, start taking d-mannose (a simple sugar 
that even diabetics can safely take).  You can get d-mannose in many health 
food/nutrition stores.  It is effective against the most prevalent organism 
causing cystitis--E-coli.  In about 85% of cystitis cases this is the organism 
causing cystitis.  At any rate, it won't hurt you to try it.  It works by 
preventing the E-coli from sticking to the mucous membranes of the bladder, and 
so they 
are simply washed out.  The dose to take is 1 tsp. every two to three hours 
in a glass of water while awake.  If it will work, the symptoms will be much 
better in 24 hours.  If the d-mannose works, continue taking it for a total of 
two weeks, regardless of the lack of symptoms.  If the mannose doesn't work, 
and the CS doesn't work, by then you will know which anitbiotic should be 
effective.

D-mannose can be purchased from the Tahoma Clinic Dispensary--1-888-893-6878, 
www.tahoma-clinic.com.  It is cheaper by far than from the health food store. 
 This place also sells a very useful booklet called D-Mannose  Bladder 
Infection, by Jonathan Wright, M.D.

Best wishes for a quick recovery,

Jill

Mike D.:  Sorry, I don't know how to excerpt the essentials from the text as 
I am supposed to.  I am a virtual computer retard!


CSRe:CSNeed help please

2005-06-26 Thread William Amos
A  friend has a dog with diabetes and the Vet prescribed a type of insulin. The 
dog is doing well

Bill
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I know that several of you are on Dog and Cat lists -- is there any  
information available anywhere for diabetes in dogs?  My sister's Lhasa was 
just  diagnosed and she's heartbroken -- she lost her Rottweiler not long ago 
to the same  disease.  Any help will be appreciated.MA



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CSRe: Help for Hepatitis C

2005-06-26 Thread Grace1way
I would like to help a friend who has hepatitis C.  We would like to know 
anything and everything that would help him.

To start with, what kind of CS works best?
What is the dosage and how to take it?
Is it better to take it with Gatorade for the electrolytes? Would Pedialyte 
(children's electrolyte solution) work as well?

Does anyone have any  direct experience with successfully treating this 
disease?  

Can you refer us to any web sites, or other useful sources of information.

I've read about Bob Beck's treatment for AIDS, using a zapper, CS, and the 
device that you place over the lymph nodes (can't remember the name now--silver 
pulser?)?  It seems that if this protocol would work for AIDS, a virus, it may 
work for Hepatitis C as well.

Does anyone have any experience with the various oxygen therapies--hydrogen 
peroxide, hyperbaric therapy, and so forth?  These also have been demonstrated 
to treat AIDS successfully, so why not Hepatitis C?

Has anybody had any direct experience with treating Hepatitis C using 
reflexology?  How about color therapy? What about direct experience using EFT?


CSRe: CS Gel making

2005-06-26 Thread whay ronnie
I use high ppm CS which has been through three times of normal brewing and make 
clear gel with this Gel making kit from this Aussie company.

Allows you to easily make 5 batches of Colloidal Silver Gel (250 ml each), 
using a high ppm colloidal silver solution.

How to operate...

Pour 250 ml of a high ppm colloidal silver solution in a glass dish. Empty one 
bag of polymer into it, and let it wet (it just takes a few minutes). Then 
add a full vial of TriethanolAmine, the solution will quickly turn into a thick 
gel. It is that easy! 
Cost A$26 for 5 batches of 250ml each. url - www.healththronics.biz

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CSCystitis and Cranactin

2005-06-26 Thread oldgl...@bigcountry.net
Hi,

I was told by my best friend, her MIL had one infection after another over
years and was always on antibiotics.  Someone told her about 'Cranactin'
from the health food store and she never had another infection from that day
forward.  Guess it cured the lingering infection up?  One capsule is equal
to 1 or 1 1/2 quarts of cranberry juice.  Several people have tried this and
had the same results and quickly.

Jean


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RE: CSRe: CS Gel making

2005-06-26 Thread Jim Wright (Lists)
As spelled your url is invalid. One must drop the last h in the
address and make it http://www.healthtronics.biz to get where you
really want to go.



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From: whay ronnie [mailto:w...@singapore.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 11:48 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSRe: CS Gel making

I use high ppm CS which has been through three times of normal
brewing and make clear gel with this Gel making kit from this Aussie
company.

Allows you to easily make 5 batches of Colloidal Silver Gel (250 ml
each), using a high ppm colloidal silver solution.

How to operate...

Pour 250 ml of a high ppm colloidal silver solution in a glass dish.
Empty one bag of polymer into it, and let it wet (it just takes a
few minutes). Then add a full vial of TriethanolAmine, the solution
will quickly turn into a thick gel. It is that easy!
Cost A$26 for 5 batches of 250ml each. url - www.healththronics.biz

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CSHep C

2005-06-26 Thread Shirley Reed
The microelectricitygermkiller group at
Yahoo! is getting real good results with their
units.  Very easy and inexpensive to make.  Be
sure to read up on not getting the heart in the
circuit--very simple.  Notice no plural in the
name of the group.  Best wishes,  pj



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Re: CScyctitis

2005-06-26 Thread Ruth Sargent
Jill  your correct that's exactly what I had done it takes 2 to 4 days 
somes times to find out which antibotic dosage also to use , and how long .You 
have to make sure your heart is also ok  a gentleman I knew thought it was that 
and hear he's seeing a heart doctor was kidney at all!!
  - Original Message - 
  From: grace1...@aol.com 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 10:53 AM
  Subject: Re: CScyctitis


  Debbie:

  The Cipro probably would work very well.  Make sure if you do go to the 
doctor to get antibiotics he does a culture and sensitivity, so that if the 
organism is immune to the Cipro, he will find out in four days which antibiotic 
would work.  

  Here is a possible plan for your situation:

  Have a culture and sensitivity done by a doctor, immediately.  Get a 
prescription for Cipro, but do not start taking it until the sensitivity test 
shows that it will be effective.  Meanwhile, start taking d-mannose (a simple 
sugar that even diabetics can safely take).  You can get d-mannose in many 
health food/nutrition stores.  It is effective against the most prevalent 
organism causing cystitis--E-coli.  In about 85% of cystitis cases this is the 
organism causing cystitis.  At any rate, it won't hurt you to try it.  It works 
by preventing the E-coli from sticking to the mucous membranes of the bladder, 
and so they are simply washed out.  The dose to take is 1 tsp. every two to 
three hours in a glass of water while awake.  If it will work, the symptoms 
will be much better in 24 hours.  If the d-mannose works, continue taking it 
for a total of two weeks, regardless of the lack of symptoms.  If the mannose 
doesn't work, and the CS doesn't work, by then you will know which anitbiotic 
should be effective.

  D-mannose can be purchased from the Tahoma Clinic Dispensary--1-888-893-6878, 
www.tahoma-clinic.com.  It is cheaper by far than from the health food store.  
This place also sells a very useful booklet called D-Mannose  Bladder 
Infection, by Jonathan Wright, M.D.

  Best wishes for a quick recovery,

  Jill

  Mike D.:  Sorry, I don't know how to excerpt the essentials from the text as 
I am supposed to.  I am a virtual computer retard!

Re: CSSilver Gel

2005-06-26 Thread sol
Given that I remember reading here of CS becoming ineffective when put 
into agar medium for testing against bacteria, plus reports of creams 
and gels molding even with large proportions of CS used in making them, 
I also don't believe a gel would be as effective as using liquid CS and 
keeping it wetted. In the past I have done this by wetting the 
application area well and covering with a bandage wetted with CS. In an 
area where a bandage could not be applied, the wound was wetted with CS 
and covered with a thick layer of an ointment I had on hand already.


My preferred method now is to use liquid CS with 10% DMSO added for 
taking the CS deep into the tissues.


I do make my own cream using CS as the liquid portion, but that is just 
because I have plenty of CS so why not use it instead of DW? And I know 
from experience that this cream will mold if left out of refrigeration.


I like to keep it simple. I frankly do not see the point (for myself, of 
going to the trouble to make up a gel as it is extra work for less 
effectiveness. But this is just my two cents. Fine for those who feel 
the need for a gel.

sol


Ode Coyote wrote:


I would think a jel would be less effective than a soaked bandage...but...
works works and convenience is convenience.
Gel should be made with VERY strong CS so ions and particles don't have to
migrate to make sufficient contact.  Particle size isn't much of an issue
topically.

Ode

At 05:51 PM 6/25/2005, you wrote:
 


Just a thought, but wouldn't the silver ions or particles be held in place
   


by a gel and be unable to move to the intended area it was meant to treat ?
 


Bill

   




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CSCandida Questions

2005-06-26 Thread Connie Howard
Does anyone know if there is any test to determine one has Candida?  What
I've read just talks about symptoms.  Also I read that coconut water/milk
can kill the candida.  Candida can be linked to weight gain, depression
and a host of other symptoms...  Just wondering if anyone has some
insight on this.

thanks


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Re: CSRe: Help for Hepatitis C

2005-06-26 Thread alltogethernow
Yahoo groups (hcvsucks) is a good place to check into. I post there, and
the group favors natural therapies over chemical, but can discuss both. 
 We're all fans of Dr Zhangs herbs.
 I have started to make 40-50 ppm CS with a sota pulser and adding 4-
drops of h202 food grade to 16 oz 2-3 x aday, and3 weeks in, I see some
improvement.
 Also loading up on vit c 10-20,000 mg a day. 
 I'm doing my best to come up with a protocol that you can live with
and inexpensively, as well.


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Re: CSCandida Questions

2005-06-26 Thread Kate Strong

Hi there,

Do a search in google, there is a simple test where you spit into a glass 
of water and wait ten minutes and if memory serves me right if you have 
candida then little branches start to form in shape. Candida is a huge 
subject and theres a group at yahoo. Its hit or miss what helps it, diet is 
vitally important. Also, its often said that yeast forms around heavy 
metals in your body to protect the body.


Kate

At 06:53 AM 6/27/2005, you wrote:

Does anyone know if there is any test to determine one has Candida?  What
I've read just talks about symptoms.  Also I read that coconut water/milk
can kill the candida.  Candida can be linked to weight gain, depression
and a host of other symptoms...  Just wondering if anyone has some
insight on this.

thanks



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Re: CSRe:Re: CScyctitis

2005-06-26 Thread FRANK CUNS-RIAL
Bill, what ae the ppm you use in the 10 oz per day to fight cystitis? How do 
you dose it?

Thx
Frank
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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 2:34 PM
Subject: CSRe:Re: CScyctitis



Are we talking about CYSTITIS ?

Take Colloidal Silver as directed on the label or 10 oz per day
Garlic (Kyolic from Wakunaga) 2 caps 3 times a day
Vitamin C plus bioflavonoids 1000 mg daily

Check with your pharmacist for the Bayer N-Multistix reagent strips home 
testing kit for UTI.


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Debbie: I to have acase of cyctitis ,though I did'nt take cs don't have; 
But went to Doctors he put me on Cipro for 7 days completely better  along 
with lots of water. Don't wait !
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 From: debbie cozens

 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 2:11 AM
 Subject: CScyctitis





   I have had bad cyctitis for the past 6 days and my kidneys are 
startying to hurt..i refuse to go to the doctor for
antibiotics..obviously!!!How much CS should i take and how often..please 
HELP


   Debbie



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RE: CSCandida Questions

2005-06-26 Thread Ernie Patai


-Original Message-
From: Connie Howard [mailto:craehow...@juno.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 2:54 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSCandida Questions

Does anyone know if there is any test to determine one has Candida?
What
I've read just talks about symptoms.  Also I read that coconut
water/milk
can kill the candida.  Candida can be linked to weight gain, depression
and a host of other symptoms...  Just wondering if anyone has some
insight on this.

thanks


Yes, live blood cell microscopy. This is one effective way to determine
if you have Candida overgrowth. Either see a nutritionist or homeopath
that has experience with this.

Regards,

Ernie


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RE: CSCandida Questions

2005-06-26 Thread Ernie Patai


-Original Message-
From: Kate Strong [mailto:ka...@ihug.co.nz] 
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 3:40 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSCandida Questions

Hi there,

Do a search in google, there is a simple test where you spit into a
glass 
of water and wait ten minutes and if memory serves me right if you have 
candida then little branches start to form in shape. Candida is a huge 
subject and theres a group at yahoo. Its hit or miss what helps it, diet
is 
vitally important. Also, its often said that yeast forms around heavy 
metals in your body to protect the body.

Kate

Sorry, beg to differ on whether it is hit or miss. Candida can not be
totally eliminated from the body. There is always some left for normal
functioning. However, Overgrowth is another story which is when it poses
problems. I had it and didn't even know it with really no side effects
as a result. Even though I am a very healthy person, from appearance as
well internally, I obviously needed improvement. Dietary changes need to
be made.(refined sources and sugar is a BIG culprit in feeding it) So a
detox is in order for sure. Had to introduce human microflora to help
eradicate it. Began eating organic, lots of juicing as well. 

Candida, is cause primarily by over processed refined products. White
bread, but then again most bread products. Enriched products like white
flour. White sugar or any refined sugar. Keep in mind this takes time to
generate.
Even wheat products such as whole wheat bread. I was recommended that
the ONLY bread I should be eating while on or off the detox is Organic
spelt or rye. No diary either. I know this sounds like such a drag and
believe me it was a challenge but I learned a lot and it worked. Please
note: this is not advice, I would still highly recommend seeing a
nutritionist who has experience with addressing this area. Through live
blood cell microscopy it was determined I had Candida overgrowth and
from the same test two months later results were negative.

Regards,

Ernie



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CSRe:Re: CSRe:Re: CScyctitis

2005-06-26 Thread William Amos
I am finding that if you are chasing a health problem, larger doses are more 
beneficial taken all at once on a daily basis.
As far as PPM, I would say 10ppm would be fine.

There are many other nutrients, herbs, recommendations
and considerations in the treatment of cystitis.

Bill
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Bill, what ae the ppm you use in the 10 oz per day to fight cystitis? How do  
you dose it?
Thx
Frank
- Original Message - 
From: William Amos wa...@mailstation.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 2:34 PM
Subject: CSRe:Re: CScyctitis


 Are we talking about CYSTITIS ?

 Take Colloidal Silver as directed on the label or 10 oz per day
 Garlic (Kyolic from Wakunaga) 2 caps 3 times a day
 Vitamin C plus bioflavonoids 1000 mg daily

 Check with your pharmacist for the Bayer N-Multistix reagent strips home 
 testing kit for UTI.

 Bill
 --
 Debbie: I to have acase of cyctitis ,though I did'nt take cs don't have; 
 But went to Doctors he put me on Cipro for 7 days completely better  along 
 with lots of water. Don't wait !
  - Original Message - 
  From: debbie cozens
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 2:11 AM
  Subject: CScyctitis





I have had bad cyctitis for the past 6 days and my kidneys are 
 startying to hurt..i refuse to go to the doctor for
 antibiotics..obviously!!!How much CS should i take and how often..please 
 HELP

Debbie



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CSRe: CS Gel making

2005-06-26 Thread Sam Nowell
Another link to a CS gel making kit thats here in the
USA. Very similar to the Aussie company kit. 
http://www.elixa.com/silver/ointment.htm

Colloidal Silver Ointment

This make a very nice gel, I made some 3 months ago,
no signs of mold yet with no refrigeration. I also
added some homemade colloidal copper to the batch. You
can actually get about 10-12 ounces of gel per batch
with this depending how thick you like it. Its worked
very well for me on insect bites, warts, burns and as
a face cream. For the warts I added some dsmo in a
seperate batch. 
Cost is  $33 (includes SH in US and CAN), and will
make at least 40oz of gel.

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RE: CScystitis

2005-06-26 Thread Joni Lovegrove
If and after infection is ruled out with a culture, consider learning more 
about INTERSTITIAL CYSTITIS  (IC).  If you do take antibiotics, make sure 
they culture and do a sensitivity test on what antibiotic to use, if you go 
that route.  It would be nice if they could do a sensitivity test with CS, 
but I don't know of any labs that would test.  Bladder infections are more 
easily treated, but if it spread to your kidney it is much more serious and 
difficult to treat, it also depends greatly on the type of bacteria.


Vaginal yeast infections are also very painful and cause the pain associated 
with cystitis, many times after I am treated for yeast, cystitis is better.  
 A good preventive for yeast is , Flora Q, it has several types of friendly 
bacteria, can be bought in some drug stores and most health supplement 
stores.


I have had interstitial cystitis and vulvodynia for several years.  I was 
(mis-treated) and misdiagnosed for urinary infections (cystitis) for years.  
The urine specimen would generally show a few white cells and red blood 
cells, so the average doctor would think it was an infection and give me a 
week of antibiotics.  I would go back after finishing a round of 
antibiotics, with no relief, they would send the culture off, then call me 
to say I did not have any infections, and basically no relief or answers.


After about 5 years of misery, three urologist, many antibiotics, and two 
family doctors,  I finally found a urologist in 1999 that figured out what 
was wrong with me, and treated me, and  knew about INTERSTITIAL CYSTITIS.  
They immediately found I had inflamed bladder, very damaged,  and certain 
cells that are diagnostic of IC  and I was treated with much relief with 
DMSO.  The treatment has changed some over the years, but I do get relief.   
Antibiotics can actually make IC worse if you do not have infection.  
However; it is always important to get a culture to rule out IC if you do 
find this is your problem.  If I went to a doctor that was not familiar with 
IC and they looked at my urine on any given day (without sending it off for 
a culture), they would declare I had a really bad urinary tract infection 
and send me home with antibiotics.


I do not know if CS is ever used with IC treatments, but I am sure someone 
on the list could tell you.  I have heard others mention using CS with DMSO.


Diet also helps considerably with IC, the cranberry juice that many people 
recommend for actual infections only exacerbates IC, anything acid is 
irritating to an inflamed bladder.  You can get online and check out diets 
that help with bladder and vulva irritation.  There is a product called 
Prelief, over the counter, mostly calcium, that helps tremendously if you 
take it before meals when you do eat something that irritates the bladder.  
Carbonated beverages, caffeine, and highly acidic foods are irritating for 
most IC sufferers.


The cause is not completely understood, it can be caused from exposures, 
possibly autoimmune related, virus, hidden bacteria, fungal infections, 
still mostly speculation.


It is VERY important that you do get cultures done to rule out infection or 
find out what kind you have and what the bacteria is sensitive to.  I have 
had a few urinary tract infections, that were treated successfully with 
macrobid, it especially formulated for bladder and is much more easily 
tolerated than cipro and other antibiotics I have taken.   When a urinary 
tract infection spreads to the kidney it is really a serious problem, so 
again, get cultured!


With interstitial cystitis (IC), it is hard to distinguish between a urinary 
tract infection,  or IC because generally you feel like you have a urinary 
tract infection.  Most people with IC have frequent urination, especially at 
night.  I have also found that lidocaine gel works when it is an IC flare-up 
to treat the pain topically when vulvodynia is flared up as well.  I have 
also had my urologist to use lidocaine with DMSO or other installations, I 
can do them at home also.  But, I try to have a culture once a month just to 
make sure I am not getting an infection.


Hope this helps, I put off getting a culture last fall, felt sure it was IC 
and ended up with a really bad kidney infection and had to be hospitalized 
for a week with IV antibiotics, hope I never have to do that again.  The 
infection can quickly spread throughout your body once it enters the 
kidneys.


joni





Original Message Follows
From: debbie cozens debbiecoz...@yahoo.co.uk
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CScyctitis
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 07:11:57 +0100 (BST)




I have had bad cyctitis for the past 6 days and my kidneys are startying to 
hurt..i refuse to go to the doctor for antibiotics..obviously!!!How much CS 
should i take and how often..please HELP


Debbie



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Re: CScystitis

2005-06-26 Thread FRANK CUNS-RIAL

Joni,
would you please go in detail regarding the DMSO treatment for IC?
Thanks Frank
- Original Message - 
From: Joni Lovegrove haw...@msn.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 4:21 PM
Subject: RE: CScystitis


If and after infection is ruled out with a culture, consider learning more 
about INTERSTITIAL CYSTITIS  (IC).  If you do take antibiotics, make sure 
they culture and do a sensitivity test on what antibiotic to use, if you 
go that route.  It would be nice if they could do a sensitivity test with 
CS, but I don't know of any labs that would test.  Bladder infections are 
more easily treated, but if it spread to your kidney it is much more 
serious and difficult to treat, it also depends greatly on the type of 
bacteria.


Vaginal yeast infections are also very painful and cause the pain 
associated with cystitis, many times after I am treated for yeast, 
cystitis is better.  A good preventive for yeast is , Flora Q, it has 
several types of friendly bacteria, can be bought in some drug stores and 
most health supplement stores.


I have had interstitial cystitis and vulvodynia for several years.  I was 
(mis-treated) and misdiagnosed for urinary infections (cystitis) for 
years.  The urine specimen would generally show a few white cells and red 
blood cells, so the average doctor would think it was an infection and 
give me a week of antibiotics.  I would go back after finishing a round of 
antibiotics, with no relief, they would send the culture off, then call me 
to say I did not have any infections, and basically no relief or answers.


After about 5 years of misery, three urologist, many antibiotics, and two 
family doctors,  I finally found a urologist in 1999 that figured out what 
was wrong with me, and treated me, and  knew about INTERSTITIAL CYSTITIS. 
They immediately found I had inflamed bladder, very damaged,  and certain 
cells that are diagnostic of IC  and I was treated with much relief with 
DMSO.  The treatment has changed some over the years, but I do get relief. 
Antibiotics can actually make IC worse if you do not have infection. 
However; it is always important to get a culture to rule out IC if you do 
find this is your problem.  If I went to a doctor that was not familiar 
with IC and they looked at my urine on any given day (without sending it 
off for a culture), they would declare I had a really bad urinary tract 
infection and send me home with antibiotics.


I do not know if CS is ever used with IC treatments, but I am sure someone 
on the list could tell you.  I have heard others mention using CS with 
DMSO.


Diet also helps considerably with IC, the cranberry juice that many people 
recommend for actual infections only exacerbates IC, anything acid is 
irritating to an inflamed bladder.  You can get online and check out diets 
that help with bladder and vulva irritation.  There is a product called 
Prelief, over the counter, mostly calcium, that helps tremendously if you 
take it before meals when you do eat something that irritates the bladder. 
Carbonated beverages, caffeine, and highly acidic foods are irritating for 
most IC sufferers.


The cause is not completely understood, it can be caused from exposures, 
possibly autoimmune related, virus, hidden bacteria, fungal infections, 
still mostly speculation.


It is VERY important that you do get cultures done to rule out infection 
or find out what kind you have and what the bacteria is sensitive to.  I 
have had a few urinary tract infections, that were treated successfully 
with macrobid, it especially formulated for bladder and is much more 
easily tolerated than cipro and other antibiotics I have taken.   When a 
urinary tract infection spreads to the kidney it is really a serious 
problem, so again, get cultured!


With interstitial cystitis (IC), it is hard to distinguish between a 
urinary tract infection,  or IC because generally you feel like you have a 
urinary tract infection.  Most people with IC have frequent urination, 
especially at night.  I have also found that lidocaine gel works when it 
is an IC flare-up to treat the pain topically when vulvodynia is flared up 
as well.  I have also had my urologist to use lidocaine with DMSO or other 
installations, I can do them at home also.  But, I try to have a culture 
once a month just to make sure I am not getting an infection.


Hope this helps, I put off getting a culture last fall, felt sure it was 
IC and ended up with a really bad kidney infection and had to be 
hospitalized for a week with IV antibiotics, hope I never have to do that 
again.  The infection can quickly spread throughout your body once it 
enters the kidneys.


joni





Original Message Follows
From: debbie cozens debbiecoz...@yahoo.co.uk
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CScyctitis
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 07:11:57 +0100 (BST)




I have had bad cyctitis for the past 6 days and my kidneys are startying 
to 

RE: CSCandida Questions

2005-06-26 Thread Kate Strong

Ernie,

I would say you were very lucky, I had alot of symptoms of candida and I 
stayed on a strict diet for a year and it still didn't eliminate the 
overgrowth, I did everything, probiotics, cleanses, you name it, I tried 
it. Spent hundreds and hundreds of dollars. The diet is horrible if you do 
it strictly, nothing like mushrooms, nothing that has mould spores on it, 
like peanuts etc, I had no refined sugars, no pasta, I used other kinds of 
breads, other kinds of jams, organic everything. I lost alot of weight, and 
I wasn't even overweight.


Kate

At 08:27 AM 6/27/2005, you wrote:

Sorry, beg to differ on whether it is hit or miss. Candida can not be
totally eliminated from the body. There is always some left for normal
functioning. However, Overgrowth is another story which is when it poses
problems. I had it and didn't even know it with really no side effects
as a result. Even though I am a very healthy person, from appearance as
well internally, I obviously needed improvement. Dietary changes need to
be made.(refined sources and sugar is a BIG culprit in feeding it) So a
detox is in order for sure. Had to introduce human microflora to help
eradicate it. Began eating organic, lots of juicing as well.

Candida, is cause primarily by over processed refined products. White
bread, but then again most bread products. Enriched products like white
flour. White sugar or any refined sugar. Keep in mind this takes time to
generate.
Even wheat products such as whole wheat bread. I was recommended that
the ONLY bread I should be eating while on or off the detox is Organic
spelt or rye. No diary either. I know this sounds like such a drag and
believe me it was a challenge but I learned a lot and it worked. Please
note: this is not advice, I would still highly recommend seeing a
nutritionist who has experience with addressing this area. Through live
blood cell microscopy it was determined I had Candida overgrowth and
from the same test two months later results were negative.



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RE: CSCandida Questions

2005-06-26 Thread Ernie Patai


-Original Message-
From: Kate Strong [mailto:ka...@ihug.co.nz] 
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 6:16 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSCandida Questions

Ernie,

I would say you were very lucky, I had alot of symptoms of candida and I

stayed on a strict diet for a year and it still didn't eliminate the 
overgrowth, I did everything, probiotics, cleanses, you name it, I tried

it. Spent hundreds and hundreds of dollars. The diet is horrible if you
do 
it strictly, nothing like mushrooms, nothing that has mould spores on
it, 
like peanuts etc, I had no refined sugars, no pasta, I used other kinds
of 
breads, other kinds of jams, organic everything. I lost alot of weight,
and 
I wasn't even overweight.

Kate

Kate, have you finally got it out of your system?
If you haven't, I would suggest seeing a homeopath who uses veda and
radionics to see if infact you do still have it and to what degree, and
it won't require to you make drastic changes to eradicate the Candida. I
have stumbled across one by the grace of God who is helping me remedy
EBV and other things in my body as I write this. The progress is very
promising, just takes a little time. :-)
But seeing u were doing it far longer then me and definitely put it to
the test I would consider other options before giving up. :-)

Thank you for your imput.

Ernie


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RE: CSCandida Questions

2005-06-26 Thread Kate Strong
I dont know Ernie, I gave up sorting it out. I also have EBV in my system 
too. Im thinking CS will do the trick.


Kate

At 12:30 PM 6/27/2005, you wrote:

Kate, have you finally got it out of your system?
If you haven't, I would suggest seeing a homeopath who uses veda and
radionics to see if infact you do still have it and to what degree, and
it won't require to you make drastic changes to eradicate the Candida. I
have stumbled across one by the grace of God who is helping me remedy
EBV and other things in my body as I write this. The progress is very
promising, just takes a little time. :-)
But seeing u were doing it far longer then me and definitely put it to
the test I would consider other options before giving up. :-)



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CSRE: Holistic site pets people

2005-06-26 Thread Val
 

 

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To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
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Re: CScystitis

2005-06-26 Thread Grace1way
I have had many cultures that have been negative.  These were done on the 
same urine that was examined, and it was pronounced that I had a bad bladder 
infection.  My urologist thought I had IC, possibly along with intermittent 
infection.  It was very useful to get a cystoscopy procedure done.  You can see 
on 
the screen what the inside of the bladder looks like.  In my case there was no 
ulceration or inflammation typical of IC.  The urologist changed his diagnosis 
after looking at the inside of the bladder.  He still doesn't know why I am 
not able to get rid of the symptoms, but at least I don't have to treat for a 
condition I don't have, and one which doesn't offer a hopeful prognosis.  

You can also try Prelief, and see if that helps.  Also, write down a log of 
your day--what you eat, what you do, how you feel.  See if you can notice some 
patterns associated with the rise and fall of symptoms.  I discovered eating 
regular meals is very helpful, for instance, but I don't know why.  I try to 
put all the things together that have a pattern of helping the symptoms, and 
removing all that aggravate them.  

Your doctor can instill injectable antibiotics, or anti-inflammatory 
substances into your bladder.  Sometimes one antibiotic will work, whereas 
another one 
will not.  In my case, the anti-inflammatory treatment had no effect, while 
the Neosporin instillation did.  Later, the Neosporin quit working, presumably 
because the bacteria developed immunity to it, but Gentamicin worked like a 
charm.  There are about five of these injectable antibiotics that can be 
instilled into the bladder.  Usually, the bacteria are not immune to these 
since the 
antibiotics usually taken by mouth have had more exposure.


CSRE CSCandida Questions

2005-06-26 Thread Deborah Gerard
I am blessed with a doctor that will test the blood to see how bad I have it 
but I do know of a test that you can do...it involves spitting into a glass of 
water first thing in the morning before you eat or drink anything. I can't 
remember if the water has to be fresh or has been sitting out...I will try to 
find the info for you. Anyway..after you have spit into the water and let it 
set for awhile and see like tennacles coming down from the spit you have 
yeastdeb


CSThe Candida Spit Test

2005-06-26 Thread Deborah Gerard
http://www.1stcandidacure.com/candidatest.html


CSCandida: an Answer

2005-06-26 Thread Faith Saint Francis

Hi my Friends!
Following the Candida thread, my wife came up with this possibility:
Pour two spoonfuls of vinegar into one liter of pure water.
Mix well, and with this water you bathe the vagina internally.
This do once in two weeks (twice monthly).
That's it, see the results.
Hoping we help,
Luz and Faith,
licensed Reflexologists,
Healing Hands.

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RE: CSCandida: an Answer

2005-06-26 Thread Ernie Patai
Well that's just hilarious What is the possibility for men, Do they
bath their Manginas?

-Original Message-
From: Faith Saint Francis [mailto:faithstfran...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 11:29 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSCandida: an Answer

Hi my Friends!
Following the Candida thread, my wife came up with this possibility:
Pour two spoonfuls of vinegar into one liter of pure water.
Mix well, and with this water you bathe the vagina internally.
This do once in two weeks (twice monthly).
That's it, see the results.
Hoping we help,
Luz and Faith,
licensed Reflexologists,
Healing Hands.

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RE: CSCandida: an Answer

2005-06-26 Thread Kate Strong

Haha, I never had vaginal thrush in all my days of candida.

Kate

At 04:03 PM 6/27/2005, Ernie Patai wrote:

Well that's just hilarious What is the possibility for men, Do they
bath their Manginas?



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RE: CSCandida: an Answer

2005-06-26 Thread Ernie Patai
Me either I should look into it though, could help me out. Ya think?

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From: Kate Strong [mailto:ka...@ihug.co.nz] 
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Subject: RE: CSCandida: an Answer

Haha, I never had vaginal thrush in all my days of candida.

Kate




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RE: CSCandida: an Answer

2005-06-26 Thread Kate Strong

Haha!!! Maybe I should too.

Kate

At 04:17 PM 6/27/2005, you wrote:

Me either I should look into it though, could help me out. Ya think?



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RE: CSCandida: an Answer

2005-06-26 Thread Ernie Patai
First I guess I should try and find mine..:-)

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From: Kate Strong [mailto:ka...@ihug.co.nz] 
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Haha!!! Maybe I should too.

Kate

At 04:17 PM 6/27/2005, you wrote:
Me either I should look into it though, could help me out. Ya think?





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CSRe: CS Gel making

2005-06-26 Thread angel nest
why not use simple, (i think natural !), knox gelatin (for food consumption - 
so, it's got to be pretty clean in terms of source, right?

instead of all these things that sound like synthetic something or other... 
plymer, triethanolamine... what are these things - actually ?

i use knox gelatin for my face masks weekly.  

or for a weaker cs gel product, how about mixing in a bit of very high ppm with 
a bit of aloe vera gel?  

any thoughts?

angel

Pour 250 ml of a high ppm colloidal silver solution in a glass dish.
Empty one bag of polymer into it, and let it wet (it just takes a
few minutes). Then add a full vial of TriethanolAmine, the solution
will quickly turn into a thick gel. It is that easy!
Cost A$26 for 5 batches of 250ml each. url - www.healththronics.biz

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jim Wright (Lists) 

  As spelled your url is invalid. One must drop the last h in the
  address and make it http://www.healthtronics.biz to get where you
  really want to go.



  From: whay ronnie [mailto:w...@singapore.com]

  I use high ppm CS which has been through three times of normal
  brewing and make clear gel with this Gel making kit from this Aussie
  company.

  Allows you to easily make 5 batches of Colloidal Silver Gel (250 ml
  each), using a high ppm colloidal silver solution.

  How to operate...

  Pour 250 ml of a high ppm colloidal silver solution in a glass dish.
  Empty one bag of polymer into it, and let it wet (it just takes a
  few minutes). Then add a full vial of TriethanolAmine, the solution
  will quickly turn into a thick gel. It is that easy!
  Cost A$26 for 5 batches of 250ml each. url - www.healththronics.biz


CSRe: CS Gel making

2005-06-26 Thread angel nest
hello sam,

would you please share for what benefit you are adding the copper?

also, any idea what the ingredients are of this product, which you are 
recommending?

thanks!
angel

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  Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 2:13 PM
  Subject: CSRe: CS Gel making


  Another link to a CS gel making kit thats here in the
  USA. Very similar to the Aussie company kit. 
  http://www.elixa.com/silver/ointment.htm

  Colloidal Silver Ointment

  This make a very nice gel, I made some 3 months ago,
  no signs of mold yet with no refrigeration. I also
  added some homemade colloidal copper to the batch. You
  can actually get about 10-12 ounces of gel per batch
  with this depending how thick you like it. Its worked
  very well for me on insect bites, warts, burns and as
  a face cream. For the warts I added some dsmo in a
  seperate batch. 
  Cost is  $33 (includes SH in US and CAN), and will
  make at least 40oz of gel.

  Sam L. 

CSCandida

2005-06-26 Thread Connie Howard
Thank you all for your input...  I will follow-up with each suggestion.  

connie


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CStips for cystitis

2005-06-26 Thread Betsy Coffey
I can relate to the IC,urinary infections and mostly
kidney pain. JOni is right about cranberry.When you
have urinary infections, it can be good to help
infection but if you have interstitial cystitis, it
will only aggravate the bladder lining due to its
acidic properties. something that helps with
interstitial cystitis for me, is slippery elm
herb,bromelain and DGL tablets. If I dont take
slippery elm on a daily basis, I cannot tolerate
anything to eat including supplements without
experiencing bladder and kidney pain.



 
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CSgatorade alternative

2005-06-26 Thread GMetropulo
Are there any gatorade alternatives that help in absorption of CS for those 
that are allergic to dyes and sugars?