date:20060708

  CS How Much Silver Did I Drink?

  Some time  ago,  Bruce Lee posted an interesting  discussion  on the
  amount of silver in a glass of cs. The discussion was very technical
  and probably  only a few could understand it. Here  is  a simplified
  version.

  PPM's
  ~
  We measure cs in ppm, or parts per million. One milligram  of silver
  in one litre of water equals one ppm.

  Note: This really means one milligram per kilogram, since 1 litre of
  water weighs  1  kilogram.  We use  volume  because  it's  easier to
  measure. And everyone knows a kilogram means a thousand grams, and a
  gram means a thousand milligrams. So 1,000 times 1,000  = 1,000,000,
  and there's our ppm - one part per million.

  Microsiemens (uS)
  ~
  We know  that  the conductance measured with a  PWT,  or  Pure Water
  Tester, is equal to the ionic content in ppm. The correlation factor
  is the  average  of Ivan Anderson's measurements,  Trem's  data, and
  Frank Key's product measurements on his web site. So 1uS = 1ppm.

  Let's say you drink 300 ml of cs, and your Hanna or  COM100 measures
  15uS. We will solve the equation 

Ag = uS * L
  
  the amount of silver in milligrams is the conductance times litres.

  Getting the Answer
  ~~
  The quantity in litres is 300 ml / 1,000, or 0.3 litres.

  The amount of silver is 15uS, or 15 milligrams per litre.

  So we just multiply these two numbers to get the amount of silver:

  Ag = uS * L (weight in milligrams equals ppm times number of litres)

 = 15 * 0.3

  Aha! Now  we  have  a   tiny   stumbling  block.  You  don't  have a
  calculator, or can't figure out how it works.

  That's OK.  Just  go over to google and enter these  numbers  in the
  search box: 15 * 0.3, and press Enter.

  And google prints

15 * 0.3 = 4.5

  And you  have just calculated the number of milligrams of  silver in
  your glass: 4.5 milligrams!

  Ounces of cs
  
  The next  problem  is if your glass is measured in  ounces.  Say you
  drink 8 ounces. We need to figure out the volume of cs in millitres.

  Once more,  google  comes to the rescue. We go there  and  enter the
  following:

8 oz in ml

  This means please, google, what is 8 ounces in millilitres?

  And google prints

8 US fluid ounces = 236.588238 ml

  Notice that google assumes you live in the US.

  We need  to  convert  this  to litres  by  dividing  by  1,000, then
  multiply by the ppm. We can do this in steps, and I'll just show the
  results courtesy of google:

236 / 1,000 = 0.236 litres

  Recall the cs measures 15uS, so

0.236 * 15 = 3.54 milligrams

  And now you know how to calculate the amount of silver in your cs!

Best Wishes,

Mike M


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Re: CS How Much Silver Did I Drink?

Sorry. Of course that was Bob Lee, not Bruce Lee. Here's Jason's copy of
the post:

  http://www.silvermedicine.org/howmuchsilverdididrink.html

Regards,

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Re: CSFlake

2006-07-08 Thread Gertrude

Debbie I NEVER am using SALT for the CS...and the colour is always yellow.( 
after 1 hour )

Besites on monday I get my Colloidal Goldjoepi...I am very 
happy...once I hope to make it myself)))

Trudy
  - Original Message - 
  From: debbiegerar...@comcast.net 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 1:34 AM
  Subject: Re: CSFlake

  Oh geeish I hope I didn't mess up too much...I made a gallon the other day 
and just filtered like what was at the bottom of the jar into the gallon 
jug...I only have a TDS tester what type of tester are you using?
  Can I use sea salt instead of canning salt? thanks for the into debbie
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  From: Gertrude 

  Hello Debbie , Sometimes I have the same troubles and take a 
  coffee-filter for the CS water to filter the very little 
  silverparts out. 

  Is that the way...?? 

 I would caution on using coffee filters or anything else to strain 
 the cs. 

 Paper can have all kinds of soluble ions that can combine with the 
 silver ions and make different compounds that have little or no 
 antibacterial or antiviral properties. 

 You can do a simple test. Measure the conductance of your fresh 
 distilled water. 

 Pour some dw in a 3 oz shot glass and drop in some paper folded up 
 to! fit. L eave it for a few minutes, then measure the conductance of 
 the dw. 

 I measured 1.2uS for the fresh dw, and 70uS after dropping in a 
 folded coffee filter. 

 Obviously, many different ions leached from the paper. I have no 
 idea what they are, but there's a good chance some will combine with 
 the Ag(+) ions. They vastly outnumber the silver ions we need. 

 The next part would be to do a simple salt test. Take two 3 oz shot 
 glasses and pour some fresh cs in both. 

 Add some paper to one glass and wait for a few minutes. Remove it 
 with a plastic fork. The reason for plastic is to avoid potential 
 problems with stainless steel. 

 Add a bit of canning salt to each glass. Wait ten minutes or so for 
 the salt to dissolve completely and combine with the Ag(+) to form a 
 silver chloride dispersion. 

 Compare the st! rength of the two dispersions. This will tell you how 
 much silver is left in the test glass. Repeat the same test for 
 different papers you might want to use.

RE: CSBlood typing, was Re: CSThis man's best freind

2006-07-08 Thread M. G. Devour

And on that (sour) note, let's not discuss the esoterica of the origins 
of the Red Cross or other items *NOT RELEVANT* to the health-related 
discussions at hand.

Whether the blood I donate this week ends up in the belly of a blood 
drinking cultist somewhere, or, more likely, the veins of a hospital 
patient, perhaps saving their life, I don't much care.  

I've been told it's healthy for most men and post-menopausal women to 
donate blood to reduce their iron burden from the excessive iron 
supplementation of processed foods in our diets, which was the point of 
the reference in the first place.

Religion and politics are not the subject of the Silver List. Civil 
discussions of same may be taken to our Off Topic list.

Be well,

Mike Devour
silver-list owner

 At 04:19 PM 7/7/2006 -0600, you wrote:
 
 The Red Cross was created by the very dynasties said to be ritual blood
  drinkers.
 
 
   Would that be Christians? [Rosycrutions?]
 Therefore, the Red Cross are, today, organized vampires fattening people
 up, no one ever gets a transfusion and a blood bank is a food store
 house...oh my.
 
 Christians are also ritual cannibals...but they only eat the flesh of
 Jesus.
 
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Re: CS HTML Attachments: Was Re: CSRe: Dirty Dryers

2006-07-08 Thread M. G. Devour

Hi Mike,

I can't tell what mail client you're using, or if it's a web-mail 
system, but I do know that Outlook Express, which is by far the most 
widely used e-mail client, has that trouble, too.

You can tell it to send plain text most of the time, but it often 
switches over to HTML mode again when you're replying to a message sent 
in that format. Of course there's *no* indication that it's doing that 
until you send it and see the result. sigh

Ruth: It's been a while since I tried Hotmail, but I believe there's a 
place where you can select Plain Text as your default e-mail format, or 
possibly select it for each new message you send. 

Most folks here have learned to deal with this, especially after the 
dozenth time their post bounces for being too big. grin

I *recommend* turning off HTML, but it isn't an issue I'm going to 
hammer on really hard, especially since it has a lot to do with the 
primitive state of the technology used to operate this list, which is 
my responsibility. 

Be well,

Mike D.

 Sorry, there it goes again. The same html attachment left over from the
 previous post.
 
 Darn, these things are hard to get rid of.
 
 Maybe I finally killed it. Hope so:)
 
 Regards,
 
 Mike M
 
 
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Re: CSRe: Dirty Dryers

2006-07-08 Thread ruth strackbein

Right on! And yet, upon consideration, I wonder if there is a reason for all the folds in the seal on the refrigerator door. Just wish there could be a more cleanable solution to getting a good seal that wouldn't cost too much. And , of course, there are other placesthat are really hard to clean. Ruth
From Ruth Strackbein


From: "Marshalee Hallett" utahpug...@izikoo.comReply-To: silver-list@eskimo.comTo: silver-list@eskimo.comSubject: Re: CSRe: Dirty DryersDate: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 17:30:11 -0600





That is `cause MEN design them, and they don`t think about cleaning them, it ain`t their job!!
Right, Ruth??Love,
Marshalee

Concerning engineering skills and appliances, I wish someone would invent some appliances, especially a refrigerator without so many cracks and cranies and fold for stuff to get into . Cleaning these things is a pain! Cheers, Ruth S.


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Re: CSRe: Dirty Dryers


  ruth strackbein wrote:

   Right on!  And  yet, upon consideration, I wonder  if  there  is a
   reason for all the folds in the seal on the refrigerator door.

   Just wish  there could be a more cleanable solution  to  getting a
   good seal  that wouldn't cost too much. And, of course,  there are
   other places that are really hard to clean.

   Ruth
  Hi Ruth,

  I believe the reason for all the folds in the seal is to allow it to
  act like  a bellows and accomodate small  misalignments  between the
  door and  the  refrigerator. This allows  good  sealing  with uneven
  surfaces. There  is a magnetic strip in the front of  the  seal that
  provides a  clamping  force   against   the   front  surface  of the
  refrigerator when it is closed.

  Cleaning the  folds can be difficult. I'd recommend trying  soap and
  an old toothbrush.

Best Wishes,

Mike M


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Re: CSFlake

  Gertrude dj...@home.nl wrote:

   Debbie I  NEVER am using SALT for the CS and the colour  is always
   yellow. (after 1 hour)

Trudy

  Hi Trudy,

  Please forgive me for jumping in here - the yellow color is not bad.
  It just means your cs is a bit weaker than it could be.

  There is  a peak in the silver concentration just  before  it starts
  making lots  of  sludge  on  the  cathode,  or  silver  hydroxide by
  combining the silver ions with hydroxyl ions from the cathode.

  Try stopping  the  brew a bit sooner. That  should  help  reduce the
  yellow color, and also increase the strength of the brew.

Best Wishes,

Mike M


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Re: CSFlake

2006-07-08 Thread Ode Coyote




##  Agreed.


 Crud:  Even if it doesn't help, it also doesn't hurt.
 Too big to get in the bloodstream also means it doesn't have to get back 
out and has nothing to do with what does go in and out, that's also in the 
EIS. [CS]


 I find the best way is to let it sit for a few days and slowly pour out 
the top 7/8ths.

 Usually I don't bother.

Ode



  I would  caution on using coffee filters or anything else  to strain
  the cs.

  Paper can  have all kinds of soluble ions that can combine  with the
  silver ions  and  make different compounds that  have  little  or no
  antibacterial or antiviral properties.


  These small amounts of pure silver caused by plateout on the cathode
  are completely harmless and can be ignored. If you don't  like them,
  just shake  the container and they will break  into  small fragments
  you no longer can see. Out of sight, out of mind:)

Regards,

Mike M


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CSSilver safety

2006-07-08 Thread Terry Chamberlin

I feel the need to comment on some of the discussion
currently happening.

One of the miracles of CS is that it is so safe, yet
so effective. So when folks mention the possibility of
silver joining to other substances/minerals and
forming some kind of compound, it seems important to
me to keep our perspective, especially for the sake of
the new folks who dont yet know enough to have
adequate perspective.

1. Silver in ANY form is lethal to most pathogens.
Its been clearly substantiated in laboratory testing
that silver-chloride kills pathogens. So does
silver-nitrate, silver-citrate, etc. So the concern
about silver forming various compounds with substances
in our water, filter paper, etc., are unrelated to the
effectiveness of CS.

2. Argyria. Yes, silver compounds of various types
have been shown to have the potential to cause
argyria, the only known danger to silver abuse, but
only when ingested/inhaled in VERY LARGE quantities,
quantities difficult or even impossible for us to
ingest (we dont inhale), given the type of CS we
produce (10-20 ppm). Even some of the conservative
govt estimates of the amount of silver needed to
possibly cause argyria require a daily ingestion of
GALLONS of 20 ppm CS. Yet I see people afraid to drink
too much CS when its not even possible with our
home-brewed, extremely dilute versions.

Keep in mind, folks, silver is just a mineral, and CS
is mineral water. Its not a drug or toxic chemical
that you must be careful about. You never see anyone
afraid to drink too much Perrier water because of the
minerals in it, in fact, they drink it to GET the
minerals in it. But Perrier or other Spring water
products have far higher levels of the minerals that
are in them than we have silver in what we brew.

Our concern over the interaction of silver with other
minerals/substances (forming compounds, etc.) is also
true about every other mineral as well. Are we
concerned about the possibility of calcium or zinc or
iron forming compounds with other minerals or being
affected by our stomach acid? They all do the same
thing silver does, you know. But we correctly assume
our body knows how to process the minerals we ingest
and utilize them where/as they are needed. The same is
true of the mineral silver. Ive found two doctors in
the US who insist that silver is an essential mineral
that our bodies NEED, just like iron or selenium, and
that a deficiency of silver contributes to poor
health. CS should be treated like a supplement, not
like a medicine.

I have drunk 12+ oz/day of 15-20 ppm CS for six years
now, and apart from a hint of blue under the base of
my fingernails (it was always darker there anyway, and
the blue comes and goes), the only affect of
generous ingestion of CS is very rare sickness in my
family. My daughters also ingest generous quantities
of CS every day because I put CS in everything its
possible to put it in  soup, juice, milk, coffee,
herbal tea, any recipe that calls for liquid (but no
yeast), even the ice cubes for our summer drinks. How
often does anyone in my family get sick? Maybe once
per year, if that much.

Being a purist about CS production is fine, as long as
one doesnt come to the conclusion that one needs to
be a purist in order for CS to be safe or effective. I
am a purist myself, in that I only make crystal clear
CS, but that is because I sell it to HF stores,
pharmacies and the general public, and my trade-mark
is crystal clear CS. Periodically I goof and brew a
10-gallon batch of yellow/gold CS. My family and I
drink that stuff, and save the clear stuff to sell.

I have used Oxygen-purified coffee filters for six
years now, because if I dont there are occasionally
bits of black silver-oxide floating around in the
water. I personally dont mind the specks because I
know they are harmless, but the general public objects
to black specks in their CS. Is it possible for the
silver to form compounds with substances in the coffee
filter paper? Yep. Is it possible to get argyria from
those compounds? Yes, but not before I had already
killed myself from too much water. Are these potential
compounds less effective than pure silver? Not that I
am aware of. Silver does what silver does, whether
accompanied by other minerals or not. And when you
consider that we are putting the silver into a stomach
that is already full of many, many other minerals
(stomach acid, food minerals, etc.), it seems a bit
silly to me to be concerned too much about tiny bits
of this and that. The only substances I would be
concerned about mixing silver with would be those that
I would be concerned about putting in my body in the
first place, i.e., toxins and poisons.

This stuff is safe, folks, you dont need to be
careful with it. OK, dont brew coffee-colored CS and
drink a pint of that each day for years. Have some
basic, common sense. Make it clear or light yellow,
drink it freely, use distilled water instead of tap or
spring water, use pure, Fine silver instead of

Re: CSTick and Disease

2006-07-08 Thread Pat

I don't have any kind of zapper.  I'm totally confused
about them and there seems to be so many types.  I
thought in the Dr. Bob Beck video he said the Hulda
Clark type didn't work. So, I just don't know what to
do about those.  I did a parasite cleanse a couple
weeks ago and didn't see anything (thank God!) and
don't feel any different.  Actually, nothing I use
seems to help in a way I can feel, except perhaps
melatonin (makes me want to go to bed) and colloidal
silver (which has cut short many things that would
have been colds).

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Re: CSRe: Dirty Dryers

2006-07-08 Thread ruth strackbein

Thanks, Mike. I hadn't thought of the toothbrush. Ruth
From Ruth Strackbein


From: "Mike Monett" vya-4...@myamail.comReply-To: silver-list@eskimo.comTo: silver-list@eskimo.comSubject: Re: CSRe: Dirty DryersDate: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 09:50:50 -0400 "ruth strackbein" wrote:  Right on! And yet, upon consideration, I wonder if there is a  reason for all the folds in the seal on the refrigerator door.  Just wish there could be a more cleanable solution to getting a  good seal that wouldn't cost too much. And, of course, there are  other places that are really hard to clean.  Ruth Hi Ruth, I believe the reason for all the folds in the seal is to allow it to act like a bellows and accomodate small misalignments between the door and the refrigerator. This allows 
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RE: CSBlood typing, was Re: CSThis man's best freind

2006-07-08 Thread Ode Coyote


At 04:19 PM 7/7/2006 -0600, you wrote:

The Red Cross was created by the very dynasties said to be ritual blood 
drinkers.



 Would that be Christians? [Rosycrutions?]
Therefore, the Red Cross are, today, organized vampires fattening people 
up, no one ever gets a transfusion and a blood bank is a food store 
house...oh my.


Christians are also ritual cannibals...but they only eat the flesh of Jesus.

Ode




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Re: CSFlake

2006-07-08 Thread Ode Coyote

  Time related deposit buildups are more of a problem with very big 
batches because they take a lot more time.
 More of that time is at spent higher conductivities / PPMs when deposit 
buildup is the fastest than in smaller batches too.


 It's just one of the reasons to do smaller batches.

ode

At 01:55 AM 7/8/2006 +, you wrote:

Thanks Mike do you by chance have a picture of what you are 
describing  here? I am brewing to about 5 on the TDS tester and it still 
makes the mushy silver mossthanks again Mike I appreciate it...debbie


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 Hi Debbie,

  You know the stuff that falls off the rods. It is kinda mushy
  looking and it builds up as you brew the cs. that stuff is usally
  on the bottom of the jar. That is what I filter out. debbie

 Is that the gray spanish moss that forms on the cathode? If so,
 shorten the brew time a bit. It shows you are doing very well and
 you are making good stuff, but you have gone past the conductance
 peak.

 If you are talking about the soft black silver hydroxide that sticks
 to the electrodes and makes dark spots on the bottom underneath the
 electrodes, then a few things are wrong. You may have a 3 nines with
 straight rods. This makes lower concentr! ation c s. It may be fine if
 you are young and have a healthy, strong immune system. But if you
 would like to improve it, here are a few simple things you can do:

 1. get 36 inches of 12 ga 999 fine silver wire.

 2. cut it in half and make two W shaped electrodes, leaving an
 inch or so above the center part for support. This will give you
 about 3 1/2 square inches of wetted area.

 3. find a 450 ml clear polystyrene jar in a rectangular shape. Mine
 was 4 long, 2 1/4 wide, and 4 5/8 deep, before I melted it in an
 unfortunate ill-advised experiment. Now I'm having trouble finding a
 replacement:(

 4. cut a piece of 1/8 thick polypropylene or polyethylene
 corrugated plastic used in signs, a bit bigger than the top of the
 jar.

 5. use a hot glue gun to glue plastic drinking straws to the lid to
 keep it centered! on the jar.




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Re: CSRe: Dirty Dryers

 Thanks, Mike.  I hadn't thought of the toothbrush.  Ruth

Hi Ruth,

I didn't want to mention this first time since it is so gross, but to
remove dried gunk, try biting the end off a toothpick and use the blunt end
to pry the food out. Then finish with soap and water. Be careful to not
punch through the plastic material, though. A tear can cause the material
to start splitting. But if the seal is so old that it is splitting or badly
rusted, it's probably time for a new refrigerator.

This is one area where I believe advances in technology can really improve
the performance of the product. The refrigerator and water heater are two
of the biggest energy consumers in the household. The new insulation in
recent fridges is much better than older units, so you may save money in
the long run to trade in your old unit. Also, newer units allow you to
monitor the temperatures in the freezer compartment and main food area.
This allows you to set the temperatures to the point that keeps food safe,
but doesn't waste electricity. Plus, the newer fridges can be much easier
to clean, which is where I came in:)

Best Wishes,

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Thanks, Mike. I hadn't thought of the toothbrush. Ruth
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From: "Mike Monett" vya-4...@myamail.comReply-To: silver-list@eskimo.comTo: silver-list@eskimo.comSubject: Re: CSRe: Dirty DryersDate: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 09:50:50 -0400 "ruth strackbein" wrote:  Right on! And yet, upon consideration, I wonder if there is a  reason for all the folds in the seal on the refrigerator door.  Just wish there could be a more cleanable solution to getting a  good seal that wouldn't cost too much. And, of course, there are  other places that are really hard to clean.  Ruth Hi Ruth, I believe the reason for all the folds in the seal is to allow it to act like a bellows and accomodate small misalignments between the door and the refrigerator. This allows 
good sealing with uneven surfaces. There is a magnetic strip in the front of the seal that provides a clamping force against the front surface of the refrigerator when it is closed. Cleaning the folds can be difficult. I'd recommend trying soap and an old toothbrush.Best Wishes,Mike M--The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver.Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.orgTo post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.comAddress Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.comThe Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down...List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com

Re: CSRe: Dirty Dryers

Ruth,

I didn't notice the attachment in my reply to cleaning fridges until after
it was sent and I reviewed the message. Turns out it was old HTML stuff
left over from your post.

Can you try to turn off html in your client. As Mike D recommends on the
home page, html increases the length of the message and costs more to
store. Please see

  http://silverlist.org/Etiquette.html#HTML

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From: "Mike Monett" vya-4...@myamail.comReply-To: silver-list@eskimo.comTo: silver-list@eskimo.comSubject: Re: CSRe: Dirty DryersDate: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 09:50:50 -0400 "ruth strackbein" wrote:  Right on! And yet, upon consideration, I wonder if there is a  reason for all the folds in the seal on the refrigerator door.  Just wish there could be a more cleanable solution to getting a  good seal that wouldn't cost too much. And, of course, there are  other places that are really hard to clean.  Ruth Hi Ruth, I believe the reason for all the folds in the seal is to allow it to act like a bellows and accomodate small misalignments between the door and the refrigerator. This allows 
good sealing with uneven surfaces. There is a magnetic strip in the front of the seal that provides a clamping force against the front surface of the refrigerator when it is closed. Cleaning the folds can be difficult. I'd recommend trying soap and an old toothbrush.Best Wishes,Mike M--The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver.Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.orgTo post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.comAddress Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.comThe Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down...List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com

CS HTML Attachments: Was Re: CSRe: Dirty Dryers

Sorry, there it goes again. The same html attachment left over from the
previous post.

Darn, these things are hard to get rid of.

Maybe I finally killed it. Hope so:)

Regards,

Mike M


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RE: CSSilver safety

2006-07-08 Thread Jim Holmes

Excellent.

-Original Message-
From: Terry Chamberlin [mailto:tcj...@yahoo.ca] 
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 9:10 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSSilver safety

I feel the need to comment on some of the discussion currently happening.

One of the miracles of CS is that it is so safe, yet so effective. So when
folks mention the possibility of silver joining to other substances/minerals
and forming some kind of compound, it seems important to me to keep our
perspective, especially for the sake of the new folks who don't yet know
enough to have adequate perspective.

1. Silver in ANY form is lethal to most pathogens.
It's been clearly substantiated in laboratory testing that silver-chloride
kills pathogens. So does silver-nitrate, silver-citrate, etc. So the concern
about silver forming various compounds with substances in our water, filter
paper, etc., are unrelated to the effectiveness of CS.

2. Argyria. Yes, silver compounds of various types have been shown to have
the potential to cause argyria, the only known danger to silver abuse, but
only when ingested/inhaled in VERY LARGE quantities, quantities difficult or
even impossible for us to ingest (we don't inhale), given the type of CS we
produce (10-20 ppm). Even some of the conservative gov't estimates of the
amount of silver needed to possibly cause argyria require a daily ingestion
of GALLONS of 20 ppm CS. Yet I see people afraid to drink too much CS when
it's not even possible with our home-brewed, extremely dilute versions.

Keep in mind, folks, silver is just a mineral, and CS is mineral water. It's
not a drug or toxic chemical that you must be careful about. You never see
anyone afraid to drink too much Perrier water because of the minerals in it,
in fact, they drink it to GET the minerals in it. But Perrier or other
Spring water products have far higher levels of the minerals that are in
them than we have silver in what we brew.

Our concern over the interaction of silver with other minerals/substances
(forming compounds, etc.) is also true about every other mineral as well.
Are we concerned about the possibility of calcium or zinc or iron forming
compounds with other minerals or being affected by our stomach acid? They
all do the same thing silver does, you know. But we correctly assume our
body knows how to process the minerals we ingest and utilize them where/as
they are needed. The same is true of the mineral silver. I've found two
doctors in the US who insist that silver is an essential mineral that our
bodies NEED, just like iron or selenium, and that a deficiency of silver
contributes to poor health. CS should be treated like a supplement, not like
a medicine.

I have drunk 12+ oz/day of 15-20 ppm CS for six years now, and apart from a
hint of blue under the base of my fingernails (it was always darker there
anyway, and the 'blue' comes and goes), the only affect of generous
ingestion of CS is very rare sickness in my family. My daughters also ingest
generous quantities of CS every day because I put CS in everything it's
possible to put it in - soup, juice, milk, coffee, herbal tea, any recipe
that calls for liquid (but no yeast), even the ice cubes for our summer
drinks. How often does anyone in my family get sick? Maybe once per year, if
that much.

Being a purist about CS production is fine, as long as one doesn't come to
the conclusion that one needs to be a purist in order for CS to be safe or
effective. I am a purist myself, in that I only make crystal clear CS, but
that is because I sell it to HF stores, pharmacies and the general public,
and my trade-mark is crystal clear CS. Periodically I goof and brew a
10-gallon batch of yellow/gold CS. My family and I drink that stuff, and
save the clear stuff to sell.

I have used Oxygen-purified coffee filters for six years now, because if I
don't there are occasionally bits of black silver-oxide floating around in
the water. I personally don't mind the specks because I know they are
harmless, but the general public objects to black specks in their CS. Is it
possible for the silver to form compounds with substances in the coffee
filter paper? Yep. Is it possible to get argyria from those compounds? Yes,
but not before I had already killed myself from too much water. Are these
potential compounds less effective than pure silver? Not that I am aware of.
Silver does what silver does, whether accompanied by other minerals or not.
And when you consider that we are putting the silver into a stomach that is
already full of many, many other minerals (stomach acid, food minerals,
etc.), it seems a bit silly to me to be concerned too much about tiny bits
of this and that. The only substances I would be concerned about mixing
silver with would be those that I would be concerned about putting in my
body in the first place, i.e., toxins and poisons.

This stuff is safe, folks, you don't need to be careful with it. OK, don't
brew coffee-colored CS and drink a pint of that each day for

RE: CSSilver safety

2006-07-08 Thread Richard Harris

Your usual Execellent Useful Information, Terry!
Many thanks! I'm sending it to all my CS users to help them improve their
knowledge.
Sincerely,
_
Richard Harris, 59 Year FL Pharmacist
448 West Juniata Street
Clermont, FL 34711
http://www.rharrisinc.com
http://www.seasilver.com/reh
http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com





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RE: CSBlood typing, was Re: CSThis man's best freind

2006-07-08 Thread Jim Holmes

 no one ever gets a transfusion and a blood bank is a food store house...oh
my.

Are there publically verified published records of how much blood is
collected, and where it goes? 

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Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 9:26 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSBlood typing, was Re: CSThis man's best freind

At 04:19 PM 7/7/2006 -0600, you wrote:

The Red Cross was created by the very dynasties said to be ritual blood 
drinkers.

  Would that be Christians? [Rosycrutions?] Therefore, the Red Cross are,
today, organized vampires fattening people up, no one ever gets a
transfusion and a blood bank is a food store house...oh my.

Christians are also ritual cannibals...but they only eat the flesh of Jesus.

Ode

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CSperoxide and sensitive teeth

2006-07-08 Thread zeb caffe

Peroxide solutions can cause sensitivity in teeth. The teeth whitening 
companies are trying to find ways to improve this.ONe of the things that they 
are doing, is to add a calcium solution to  the carbomer peroxide solution and 
lower the amount of peroxide previously used. Using it straight to rinse with 
can cause alot of sensitivity. It is interesting that cs helped with this.
  Thanks to the people that answered my question on cs ,salt c and lyme disease


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CSticks,lyme to Pat

2006-07-08 Thread zeb caffe

Drinking the CS or any preventitive measures was a good thing to do. It is very 
important if you have a tick on you, to keep it and take it to a lab to have it 
analyzed. In my family we have had to do this twice with different family 
memebers. Since having several family members with lyme, we have become very 
concerned about having any tick tested. The ususal course of treatment by 
mainstream doctors if you have a tick on you, is to give two weeks of 
doxycycline which if caught early may arrest it in some folks but I think most 
lyme literate doctors take a more cautionary treatment and put people on 
medications for much longer. In  a person with a  longer standing infection 
(which is often the case as most dont get diagnosed properly like marshalee),   
a longer course of treatment is needed and also supplements to repair the 
damage.
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CSjarrow to ernie

2006-07-08 Thread zeb caffe

I am pretty sure that the whole foods I go to has jarrow brand. They should 
probably be able to order for you. If not, go to google and type in jarrow 
brand.There will be a web site that will allow you to order their products.
  I have ordered from them before when the health food store I go to doesnt 
carry what I need.
  They are out of Los Angeles California
  www.jarrow.com

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Re: CS HTML Attachments: Was Re: CSRe: Dirty Dryers

M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com wrote:

Hi Mike,

I can't tell what mail client you're using, or if it's a web-mail 
system, but I do know that Outlook Express, which is by far the most 
widely used e-mail client, has that trouble, too.

You can tell it to send plain text most of the time, but it often 
switches over to HTML mode again when you're replying to a message sent 
in that format. Of course there's *no* indication that it's doing that 
until you send it and see the result. sigh

Ruth: It's been a while since I tried Hotmail, but I believe there's a 
place where you can select Plain Text as your default e-mail format, or 
possibly select it for each new message you send. 

Most folks here have learned to deal with this, especially after the 
dozenth time their post bounces for being too big. grin

I *recommend* turning off HTML, but it isn't an issue I'm going to 
hammer on really hard, especially since it has a lot to do with the 
primitive state of the technology used to operate this list, which is 
my responsibility. 

Be well,

Mike D.

Hi Mike,

I use Pimmy, which allows an unlimited number of email addresses and mail
servers. That way I can get a bunch of different ones from mymail, and when
one starts picking up spam, I just delete it and use another. I expect that
will happen sooner or later, as someone in the list will eventually get a
virus that will go through their email addresses and send them to a spammer.

I use plain ascii for email, and either compose in my own editor that I
wrote, or use Pimmy's editor for short notes. It doesn't automatically
switch over to html like many other clients. The problem is I replied to a
message that had the html encoded as a Base64 attachment. I don't notice it
because it is rare, and it took a couple of tries to figure out how to kill
it. Now that I know it can happen, I will be on the lookout for it in the
future.

But I really wish people would not use html. It makes the message much
larger - not just a little bit. It takes longer to download and uses much
more disk space. When I download a bunch of messages, I know which ones are
in html before I even see the title and author. The reason is they take so
long to download. This gives me an opportunity to practise my How to
Become a Saint exercises, instead of chewing on the keyboard.

Best Wishes,

Mike M


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RE: CSjarrow to ernie

2006-07-08 Thread epatai

Thank you Zeb..:p)

From: zeb caffe jamaki...@yahoo.com
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSjarrow to ernie
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 11:34:21 -0700 (PDT)

I am pretty sure that the whole foods I go to has jarrow brand. They should 
probably be able to order for you. If not, go to google and type in jarrow 
brand.There will be a web site that will allow you to order their products.
  I have ordered from them before when the health food store I go to 
doesnt carry what I need.

  They are out of Los Angeles California
  www.jarrow.com

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Re: CSFlake

I never use salt either Mike was explaining how to test it...so glad for you 
that you are getting the gold let me know what you think of itdebbie

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From: Gertrude dj...@home.nl 

Debbie I NEVER am using SALT for the CS...and the colour is always yellow.( 
after 1 hour )

Besites on monday I get my Colloidal Goldjoepi...I am very 
happy...once I hope to make it myself)))

Trudy
- Original Message - 
From: debbiegerar...@comcast.net 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 1:34 AM
Subject: Re: CSFlake



Oh geeish I hope I didn't mess up too much...I made a gallon the other day and 
just filtered like what was at the bottom of the jar into the gallon jug...I 
only have a TDS tester what type of tester are you using?
Can I use sea salt instead of canning salt? thanks for the into debbie
-- Original message -- 
From: Mike Monett txu-4...@myamail.com 

 
  From: Gertrude 
 
  Hello Debbie , Sometimes I have the same troubles and take a 
  coffee-filter for the CS water to filter the very little 
  silverparts out. 
 
  Is that the way...?? 
 
 I would caution on using coffee filters or anything else to strain 
 the cs. 
 
 Paper can have all kinds of soluble ions that can combine with the 
 silver ions and make different compounds that have little or no 
 antibacterial or antiviral properties. 
 
 You can do a simple test. Measure the conductance of your fresh 
 distilled water. 
 
 Pour some dw in a 3 oz shot glass and drop in some paper folded up 
 to! fit. L eave it for a few minutes, then measure the conductance of 
 the dw. 
 
 I measured 1.2uS for the fresh dw, and 70uS after dropping in a 
 folded coffee filter. 
 
 Obviously, many different ions leached from the paper. I have no 
 idea what they are, but there's a good chance some will combine with 
 the Ag(+) ions. They vastly outnumber the silver ions we need. 
 
 The next part would be to do a simple salt test. Take two 3 oz shot 
 glasses and pour some fresh cs in both. 
 
 Add some paper to one glass and wait for a few minutes. Remove it 
 with a plastic fork. The reason for plastic is to avoid potential 
 problems with stainless steel. 
 
 Add a bit of canning salt to each glass. Wait ten minutes or so for 
 the salt to dissolve completely and combine with the Ag(+) to form a 
 silver chloride dispersion. 
 
 Compare the st! rength of the two dispersions. This will tell you how 
 much silver is left in the test glass. Repeat the same test for 
 different papers you might want to use.

CSVitamins

2006-07-08 Thread Brickeyk

I have been trying to reduce the blue moons in my fingernails and was using 
the mix of vitamins posted except the wrong kind of vitamin E. I switched to 
the good vitamin E about two weeks ago and it looks like it is helping. I was 
scheduled to see my DR who wanted to increase my high blood pressure medication 
two days after using the new vit. E. Both of us were surprised to see my blood 
pressure was down to 120/60 from 150/100. I am thinking of stopping the 
medication entirely.

Grass pollen triggered an allergy that is hard to stop. I started taking 2 
teaspoons of MSM daily for the last 5 days. I bought some awhile back when a 
post said that was the way to stop allergies. It tasted so bad I did not 
continue 
to use it. With GERDS I try to not swallow pills so I mix the powdered MSM in 
a small amount of water and drink it fast, then I drink a glass of water. The 
MSM taste seems to last for hours afterward. Anyone know how to take MSM 
without the aftertaste?

Brickey

CSVitamins

2006-07-08 Thread cking001

I have been trying to reduce the blue moons in my fingernails and was using 
the mix of vitamins posted except the wrong kind of vitamin E. I switched to 
the good vitamin E about two weeks ago and it looks like it is helping. I was 
scheduled to see my DR who wanted to increase my high blood pressure 
medication 

As you seem to have found out, High dose of E can momentarily raise
BP.
This normalizes as your body acclimates.


two days after using the new vit. E. Both of us were surprised to see my blood 
pressure was down to 120/60 from 150/100. I am thinking of stopping the 
medication entirely.

Grass pollen triggered an allergy that is hard to stop. I started taking 2 
teaspoons of MSM daily for the last 5 days. I bought some awhile back when a 
post said that was the way to stop allergies. It tasted so bad I did not 
continue 
to use it. With GERDS I try to not swallow pills so I mix the powdered MSM in 
a small amount of water and drink it fast, then I drink a glass of water. The 
MSM taste seems to last for hours afterward. Anyone know how to take MSM 
without the aftertaste?

Mix your MSM with powdered ascorbic acid (vitamin C). They neutralize
each others strong tastes.

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Re: CSVitamins

I mix mine in a morning smoothie with berrie's and yogurt...debbie

-- Original message -- 
From: cking...@nycap.rr.com 

 I have been trying to reduce the blue moons in my fingernails and was using 
 the mix of vitamins posted except the wrong kind of vitamin E. I switched to 
 the good vitamin E about two weeks ago and it looks like it is helping. I 
 was 
 scheduled to see my DR who wanted to increase my high blood pressure 
 medication 
 
 As you seem to have found out, High dose of E can momentarily raise 
 BP. 
 This normalizes as your body acclimates.

Re: CSVitamins

Garlic supplements lowers minedebbie

-- Original message -- 
From: cking...@nycap.rr.com 

 I have been trying to reduce the blue moons in my fingernails and was using 
 the mix of vitamins posted except the wrong kind of vitamin E. I switched to 
 the good vitamin E about two weeks ago and it looks like it is helping. I 
 was 
 scheduled to see my DR who wanted to increase my high blood pressure 
 medication 
 
 As you seem to have found out, High dose of E can momentarily raise 
 BP. 
 This normalizes as your body acclimates.

Re: CSFlake


How large a batch are you making?
sol

debbiegerar...@comcast.net wrote:

 I am brewing to about 5 on the TDS tester and it still makes the 
mushy silver mossthanks again Mike I appreciate it...debbie
 




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RE: CSBlood typing, was Re: CSThis man's best freind

2006-07-08 Thread Carol Ann

Hi Ode,
Really enjoy your posts.  :)  This particular one triggered the remembrance of 
something I heard in the evening of 9/11.  Red Cross was all over the place 
televising requests for blood donations.  Featured was mrs bush as one of the 
reps.  She said something repeatedly  that almost floored me.  . The Red Cross 
via ms bush was telling people to donate vast amounts of blood, would it be 
badly needed.  What was said was that it could be frozen.   Immediately called 
a doctor friend to verify that some new blood process was not on the market. My 
thoughts was what the heck are they gonna do with all that blood?  Why is it 
needed. There was  supposedly no shortage at the time...my Brother, a 
Lieutenant worked the site as a paramedic and at the local hospitals who 
received the wounded. . 

I'm just wonder en Ode.  Do you think that the darker side of mankind has 
become enlightened over the eons?   That the rituals including those of blood 
use of  yore days gone by have been  completely wiped from  patterned memory 
and consciousness.   Symbols..some folks use em, mostly the ones who don't have 
the real thingothers use the real thing whenever available.  

Jim Holmes ami...@starband.net wrote:  no one ever gets a transfusion and a 
blood bank is a food store house...oh
my.

Are there publically verified published records of how much blood is
collected, and where it goes? 

-Original Message-
From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net] 
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 9:26 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSBlood typing, was Re: CSThis man's best freind

At 04:19 PM 7/7/2006 -0600, you wrote:

The Red Cross was created by the very dynasties said to be ritual blood 
drinkers.


  Would that be Christians? [Rosycrutions?] Therefore, the Red Cross are,
today, organized vampires fattening people up, no one ever gets a
transfusion and a blood bank is a food store house...oh my.

Christians are also ritual cannibals...but they only eat the flesh of Jesus.

Ode




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CSHTML Viruses

Mike,

Sorry to bring this subject up again, but there may be another reason to
ask people to disable html when posting to the silver list.

On one of the newsgroups I inhabit, sci.electronics.design, someone
recently posted a link to an enginering site. When engineers clicked on the
link, their antivirus programs and incoming filters showed the presence of
a virus on their computers. It took a bit of effort to find out how it got
there.

Now we all know (don't we?) that viruses can take advantage of javascript
flaws to sneak onto your computer. But this virus had an unusual method of
infection that invoked Visual Basic, and it would automatically infect with
no user action other than clicking on the link. It was an extremely nasty
virus and would damage most of the files on your disk. But it required html
to propagate.

The Mafia and other criminals have discovered the wealth available on the
web by finding new ways to infect computers and steal bank and credit card
account information and passwords. All it would take is one person to get
infected, and everyone would get hit. 

The results would depend on what safeguards different people use, but it is
possible that new methods might be developed that bypass current methods.
Any we may not find out for a long time that we have been compromised.

So it might be a good idea to suggest a bit more strongly that people
should not use html to post.

I don't know what email clients people use, but it is most likely Outlook.
This would immediately run the embedded virus and infect the computer.
There are many other browsers and email clients that don't have the
problems that Microsoft has, and it might be a good idea to look at Firefox
and Opera for browsing, and any of the multitude of email clients for
posting. Even these cannot guarantee immunity, so get a good firewall if
you don't have one, and keep practising safe hex.

Best Wishes,

Mike M.


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Re: CSFlake


Hi Sol...the batch is about three cups...I have been making it all weekend to 
fill a gallan jugthanks debbie
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 How large a batch are you making? 
 sol 
 
 debbiegerar...@comcast.net wrote: 
 
  I am brewing to about 5 on the TDS tester and it still makes the 
  mushy silver mossthanks again Mike I appreciate it...debbie 
  
 
 
 
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Re: CSperoxide and sensitive teeth

Adding a little peroxide to CS as a mouthrinse avoids that problem
completely, for me at least. It seems to make the CS as mouthwash much
more effective. I don't measure so don't know how much I do add to my
CS, but way less than half. I just pour a mouthfull of CS into a glass
and add a splash of peroxide.

sol

zeb caffe wrote:

Peroxide solutions can cause sensitivity in teeth. The teeth whitening
companies are trying to find ways to improve this.ONe of the things
that they are doing, is to add a calcium solution to the carbomer
peroxide solution and lower the amount of peroxide previously used.
Using it straight to rinse with can cause alot of sensitivity. It is
interesting that cs helped with this.
Thanks to the people that answered my question on cs ,salt c and lyme
disease

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Re: CSFlake

I think* 5 on a TDS is about the same as 10 on a PWT. I did think maybe 
you get a lot of fuzzies because you were making large batches, but 3 
cups isn't that big. What does your distilled water read, before you 
make CS with it?

sol

debbiegerar...@comcast.net wrote:

 
Hi Sol...the batch is about three cups...I have been making it all 
weekend to fill a gallan jugthanks debbie



From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com
 How large a batch are you making?
 sol

 debbiegerar...@comcast.net wrote:  
  I am brewing to about 5 on the TDS tester and it still makes the

  mushy silver moss




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CSDirty Refrigerators

2006-07-08 Thread Dan Nave


Ruth and Mike,

You guys can come over and clean my refrigerator any time...

Dan

Mike Monett wrote:

  ruth strackbein wrote:

   Right on!  And  yet, upon consideration, I wonder  if  there  is a
   reason for all the folds in the seal on the refrigerator door.

   Just wish  there could be a more cleanable solution  to  getting a
   good seal  that wouldn't cost too much. And, of course,  there are
   other places that are really hard to clean.

   Ruth
  Hi Ruth,

  I believe the reason for all the folds in the seal is to allow it to
  act like  a bellows and accomodate small  misalignments  between the
  door and  the  refrigerator. This allows  good  sealing  with uneven
  surfaces. There  is a magnetic strip in the front of  the  seal that
  provides a  clamping  force   against   the   front  surface  of the
  refrigerator when it is closed.

  Cleaning the  folds can be difficult. I'd recommend trying  soap and
  an old toothbrush.

Best Wishes,

Mike M



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Re: CSFlake

Because it is steamed dw I haven't been testing it...can you test it with a 
TDS?...debbie
-- Original message -- 
From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com 

 I think* 5 on a TDS is about the same as 10 on a PWT. I did think maybe 
 you get a lot of fuzzies because you were making large batches, but 3 
 cups isn't that big. What does your distilled water read, before you 
 make CS with it? 
 sol 
 
 debbiegerar...@comcast.net wrote: 
 
  
  Hi Sol...the batch is about three cups...I have been making it all 
  weekend to fill a gallan jugthanks debbie 
  
  
  From: sol 
   How large a batch are you making? 
   sol 
   
   debbiegerar...@comcast.net wrote: 
I am brewing to about 5 on the TDS tester and it still makes the 
mushy silver moss 
  
 
 
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CScs dmso for canine elbow calouses?

2006-07-08 Thread Wendy


Hi there, just wondering whether this might work? I have read from an
allopathic standpoint canine elbow calouses are quite common, especially
in larger breeds when they lay on hard surfaces. Show people apparently
have special elbow pads to protect them so they don't get them as they
would be unsightly in the ring. We ripped up the carpets 6 months ago
and after just returning from 3 wks holidays, I notice our male now has
bad elbow calouses on his front elbows and he keeps LICKING it!!!

However I have also read online from a homeopathic standpoint it is a
sign/symptom of chronic disease. Other then some eye discharge (which I
attribute to non organic feed-we feed raw diet and don't vax or do
flea/tic meds of any kind) he's in great health and is 5.5 yrs old.

I also read that aloe vera applied daily to them would help get rid of
them? 

I wonder if the cs and dmso would be a better choice...althogh if he
licks it off will it be on long enough to have any effect and will it
hurt him to lick it off?

Any other ideas?

Thanks

Wendy
orillia


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Re: CSFlake


Hmm, maybe not unless it is really bad DW. LOL.
I need my DW to be below .4 uS if single distilled, and no more than .4 
uS if double distilled. Not everyone needs this good of DW to make clear 
CS. But obviously a TDS would not be the right tool for me.

sol

debbiegerar...@comcast.net wrote:

Because it is steamed dw I haven't been testing it...can you test it 
with a TDS?...debbie


From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com
 I think* 5 on a TDS is about the same as 10 on a PWT. I did
think maybe
 you get a lot of fuzzies because you were making large batches,
but 3
 cups isn't that big. What does your distilled water read, before
you
 make CS with it?
 sol




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Re: CSFlake

  sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com wrote:

   Hmm, maybe not unless it is really bad DW. LOL.

   I need  my DW to be below .4 uS if single distilled,  and  no more
   than .4 uS if double distilled. Not everyone needs this good of DW
   to make clear CS. But obviously a TDS would not be the  right tool
   for me.

   sol

  sol,

  My dw  runs about 1.2uS. I was shocked that it reads that  high, but
  it is  the  only dw that comes in the kind  of  PET  containers that
  don't leach  chemicals  into the cs. I believe  the  plasticizers in
  HDPE not  only give the cs a bad taste, but they also mess  with the
  electrolysis process   and   generate   other   products.  These may
  contribute to  the  large drop in uS I saw before  changing  over to
  PET.

  Here is a short list of readings I have been getting  recently. Note
  the 10%  drop  in  the  first 24  hrs,  then  absolutely  rock solid
  readings since then. (The readings are in reverse date order.)

Sat Jul 08, 2006, 09:33:49 am 16.4uS
Fri Jul 07, 2006, 12:06:34 pm 16.5uS
Thu Jul 06, 2006, 08:02:36 am 16.4uS
Wed Jul 05, 2006, 10:44:58 am 16.4uS
Tue Jul 04, 2006, 08:30:18 am 16.4uS
Mon Jul 03, 2006, 09:58:59 am 16.4uS
Sat Jul 01, 2006, 03:49:21 am 16.4uS
Sun Jun 25, 2006,  8:42:55 pm 16.5uS
Sat Jun 24, 2006,  5:15:19 pm 16.4uS
Fri Jun 23, 2006, 09:04:19 am 16.3uS
Wed Jun 21, 2006,  3:28:20 pm 16.4uS
Tue Jun 20, 2006,  3:01:27 pm 17.5uS
Tue Jun 20, 2006, 02:21:49 am 18.4uS New batch

  This tells me a lot about the cs process, and that it is possible to
  make stable cs. Horay!

  This was the first run on a brand new cs generator, so don't let the
  low uS  readings  bother you. I melted my previous one  in  a stupid
  experiment, and  haven't  been able to find a  replacement  jar. The
  readings will  go higher, up to about 22uS or so, when  I  have more
  time to  play  with  the electrodes. I can go  beyond  this,  but it
  wastes a  lot  of silver. I have a new way of  making  cs  that will
  solve that problem.

  Regarding your  clear cs, I have developed a new  way  of monitoring
  the process to find the peak concentration of the brew. To  do this,
  I measure  all  the cell parameters  and  calculate  the conductance
  curve.

  The curve goes through different phases depending on where  the ions
  are in solution at the moment. But you can see everything, including
  the start  of  AgOH production in the Nernst  Diffusion  layer. This
  also corresponds with increasing Tyndall.

  Soon after  this point, the conductance reaches a peak,  then starts
  falling as  more ions reach the Nernst layer and start  combining to
  form AgOH.  If  you continue the brew past  this  point,  the silver
  hydroxide will agglomerate and start turning the solution yellow.

  I plan  to spend some time and document this on my web  site  so you
  can see  the curves. Right now, I am working on my  machine  to kill
  spores.

All the Best,

Mike M.


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Re: CSFlake