Re: CS>baking soda/aluminum?

[Deborah Gerard]

oops I miss spoke or typed it's baking powder that has it in it...now I know 
baking soda that is bought from the health food store it better but I haven't 
got that info in front of me...deb

Marshall Dudley  wrote:  No, it is sodium hydrogen 
carbonate, AKA sodium bicarbonate. That would 
have sodium, hydrogen, carbon and oxygen in it.

Marshall

jessie70 wrote:
> Does regular baking soda have aluminum in it? Thanks, Jess
>
> -Original Message-
> *From:* Deborah Gerard [mailto:devorah...@yahoo.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 17, 2007 9:53 PM
> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* Re: CS>Re: Folic acid
>
> I use a little baking soda, without aluminum in it, in a little
> water and get instant relief...beware though you burp really
> loud...haha
>
> */Dee /* wrote:
>
> Is not something like bicarbonate better for 'heartburn'
> (indigestion) than
> prescription meds. My husband took these things for years and
> completely
> messed his digestive system up. He now gets no pain at all
> since he's
> stopped taking them. Dee
>
>
>
>     -- 
>
>
> why, but it might not be a good idea to hang around and find
> out.>
>
> -- (Terry Pratchett, Wyrd Sisters)
>
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>
>
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> ---Original Message---
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>
>
> From: brick...@aol.com
>
> Date: 06/17/07 20:25:09
>
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>
> Subject: CS>Re: Folic acid
>
>
>
>
>
> I am also trying to stop taking Prilosec. I take 15 drops of
> 5% Hcl with
> each meal. Dr Mercola says to take Tagamet 2 per day for 2
> months as
> heartburn returns as soon as I stopped Prilosec. Does the Hcl
> and Tagamet
> counteract? I am at the 3 weeks of no Prilosec and currently
> am taking both.
>
>
> Brickey
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Re: CS>bloodroot salves

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Very interesting, Deborah.   Here is a person who seems to be claiming 
immunity from a major FDA operation that shut down businesses and put 
people in jail.  It is remarkable that anyone would make such a claim.  
 If there's any truth to it, merely stating such a thing would 
jeopardize the very relationships he claims to have, wouldn't it?
One wonders what is really going on.


The bottom line for list members is that other providers of bloodroot 
products are linked on altcancer.com and elsewhere.   List members have 
provided this information before, and if the archives ever reappear the 
information will be in them.







On Wednesday, Jun 20, 2007, at 00:42 Asia/Tokyo, 
laquerenci...@sbcglobal.net wrote:


I called the fellow in Montana (www.risingsunhealth.com) last year 
about his products - his response when asked about staying out of 
trouble with the law was that he has special political connections 
that allow him remain in operation.


Deborah



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CS>Are more electrodes better?

[Silver Smith]

Will using multiple sets of electrodes with my CS generator decrease the
time?  Will it effect a batch in any other ways...good or bad?

Thanks,

SS

Re: CS>CS and Pets

[Day Sutton]

I'm very interested in the good for the dog, people earth, pest repellent.

On 6/19/07, Norine Twaddell  wrote:


 *Hi Dee...I am  no brainiac like other on the list so I hate to reply
here BUT you addressed me  ... *
**
* I now use a: good for the dog, good for people, good for the earth pest
repellent on my dogs and have not had any nasty rounds with the indsidious
spirochete in many years.  I see  very very few ticks, compared to others in
my area.
*

**
*Norine Twaddell CDBC, CPDT
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Re: CS>Digestion System Problems

[ruth strackbein]

Hi, David,  The water fast would be out of the question for me right now.  I 
am having trouble keeping my wait in the 110-112 range . I am 5 ft. 6 inches 
tall with a fairly sturdy build.  My weight easily slips to 105-107. I am 
presently working with a gastroenterologist on diet and medications and need 
to hang in there with this protocol for the time being.  The aim is to get 
my bowel to work consistently enough so I can avoid having 90 percent of it 
removed which is what is being advocated.  Ruth



From Ruth Strackbein




From: David Snowdon 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Digestion System Problems
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:00:57 -0400

Hi Ruth,

  You should consider going on a liquid-only diet for a week. This will 
allow your digestive system to do some house cleaning, clearing out toxins. 
A more aggressive approach would be to do a week long water fast, but I've 
been unable to do this for more than three days because of muscle weakness.


David


ruth strackbein wrote:
Hi, Wayne, I guess I must have left out that it was 4-6 oz of prune juice 
in my post.  I have read your post to Dee, I have tried to use a great 
deal of what you suggest, but tolerate very little of it.  Just now I feel 
I need to follow through on what this Dr. is telling me.  We are trying to 
avoid surgery for an overlong exceedingly slow transit time bowel, 7-8 
days from mouth to rectum.  Ten years ago a similar test had a transit 
time of 4 days.  I was eating more normally way back then, but never have 
been able to tolerate apples or alot of raw food, though I would like to.  
This Dr. is a gastroenterology surgeon.  Dr. Tombers is a plain 
gastroenterologist.  His opinion was that there isn't a medicine outhere 
that will fix what is  wrong with my bowel. Both Docs have looked at the 
recent X-rays.  The surgeon is just highly aware of the severe problems 
that can result from removing 90% of your colon and wants to avoid that if 
at all possible.  Food residue tends to collect in odd places in my colon 
and back things up.  I live in a small village 20 miles from my regular 
doctor. I tend to get edgy as the weekend approaches, because I know that 
if I get into trouble over the weekend, the emergency room is of no help 
whatever.  Don't have time for more, but thanks for your suggestions.  
Ruth





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Re: CS>Salt/C Protocol / Blood Pressure

[Dee]

Thanks for that Duncan.  Dee  

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---Original Message--- 

 

From: Duncan Crow 

Date: 19/06/2007 15:47:54 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Subject: Re: CS>Salt/C Protocol / Blood Pressure 

 

Dee, the group to watch for digestion issues is candidasis, a 

Vibrant group, 4300 strong. Here's our protocol for bowel 

Disorders, including digestion, Crohn's and colitis in addition 

To bowel candida. 

 

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/candidiasis/message/53369 

 

Duncan Crow 

http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow 

 


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Re: CS>Re: CS protocols for congestive heart failure (CHF) AND idiopathic interstitial lung disease (IILD)

[Michael Zangari]

The attribution on this information is from the University of Rochester School 
of Cardiology. I've talked with the researcher. If you are doing a Web search 
you'll need to be specific: Selegeline and the heart; Selegeline and 
Cardiomyopathy; Selegeline and congestive heart failure.
   
  You'll also find interesting entries on Selegeline and Diabetes. In some 
cases people were able to get off insulin. It is a strange multiuse medication. 
 It works for a lot of things. It also comes in a patch now and is prescribed 
for people who want to quit smoking. It reduces anxiety as it balances the 
hemispheres of the brain.
   
  I'll also say for myself and my doctor that I have had excellent medication 
management as well. I am glad I am well enough to get back to work.
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Michael Zangari  wrote:
All three of these substances are stimulants and cause extreme tachycardia.
  If you are dealing with cardio myopathy be aware of doses and effects. 
Fatigue was such an issue for me I did it anyway. But very carefully, noting 
effects, half life and what I was doing.
  =z=


 
   Some of the supplements I remember are CoQ10 (high dose) brings oxygen into 
the heart muscle. L-Carnitine and D-ribose. Check-out what he says. He is 
regarded as one of the foremost heart specialists in the country.
  Paula
- Original Message - 
  From: Denise Rollheiser 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 8:18 AM
  Subject: CS>Re: CS protocols for congestive heart failure (CHF) AND 
idiopathic interstitial lung disease (IILD)
  

  In re-reading my post after a few hours sleep, I realize I forgot to include 
the fact that in addition to both Dad and Guy suffering from CHF, they both 
have leaky heart valvesnot sure if this makes any difference but it's a bit 
of info that should have been included originally.
   
  Guy's IILD does NOT come from exposure to asbestos or coal dust...hence the 
'idiopathic' tag to the diagnosis.
   
  Denise
   
- Original Message - 
  From: Denise Rollheiser 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 11:29 PM
  Subject: CS protocols for congestive heart failure (CHF) AND idiopathic 
interstitial lung disease (IILD)
  

  My father and my partner both suffer from CHF (Dad was diagnosed 2 weeks ago, 
Guy a number of years ago).  Guy also suffers from IILD.
   
  If anyone can provide protocol(s) for using CS to assist with either of these 
diseases or at least connect me with lists that can provide some guidance, I 
would be forever grateful.  While my Dad will celebrate his 90 b'day in Jan 08, 
his quality of life has deteriorated majorly since his Dx; Guy will be 60 in 
Nov 07 and I would like to have more time with him than less (his lung 
specialist has said that in the patients he has seen/sees with IILD - from 
diagnosis to lung failure is between 4-5 years...Guy was Dx'd about 18 months 
ago.)
   
  Thanks.
   
  Denise
  neec...@sasktel.net
   

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CS>Stomach problems

[chaha]

Regarding several comments on stomach problems, may I say it's sometimes the 
simple things that can provide healing.  For instance, plain yogurt.  Take a 
spoonful or more with each meal, and over time you will see improvement.  I've 
done this for myself and a rescue dog who was vomiting and seen really good 
results.  

Also, taking Braggs raw Apple Cider Vinegar a couple times a day really 
strengthened my immune system.  Does wonders for a sore throat too.   Not 
everyone can tolerate the smell or taste, but doesn't bother me.  The first 
time I taste Kombucha tea  it tasted exactly like ACV except it was sweeter.   
The Kombucha mother looks much like the raw ACV mother.   

Both of these are fermented foods and would be easy enough to add to your diet. 
 

Cindy

Re: CS>Digestion System Problems

[David Snowdon]

Hi Ruth,

  You should consider going on a liquid-only diet for a week. This will 
allow your digestive system to do some house cleaning, clearing out 
toxins. A more aggressive approach would be to do a week long water 
fast, but I've been unable to do this for more than three days because 
of muscle weakness.


David


ruth strackbein wrote:
Hi, Wayne, I guess I must have left out that it was 4-6 oz of prune 
juice in my post.  I have read your post to Dee, I have tried to use a 
great deal of what you suggest, but tolerate very little of it.  Just 
now I feel I need to follow through on what this Dr. is telling me.  
We are trying to avoid surgery for an overlong exceedingly slow 
transit time bowel, 7-8 days from mouth to rectum.  Ten years ago a 
similar test had a transit time of 4 days.  I was eating more normally 
way back then, but never have been able to tolerate apples or alot of 
raw food, though I would like to.  This Dr. is a gastroenterology 
surgeon.  Dr. Tombers is a plain gastroenterologist.  His opinion was 
that there isn't a medicine outhere that will fix what is  wrong with 
my bowel. Both Docs have looked at the recent X-rays.  The surgeon is 
just highly aware of the severe problems that can result from removing 
90% of your colon and wants to avoid that if at all possible.  Food 
residue tends to collect in odd places in my colon and back things 
up.  I live in a small village 20 miles from my regular doctor. I tend 
to get edgy as the weekend approaches, because I know that if I get 
into trouble over the weekend, the emergency room is of no help 
whatever.  Don't have time for more, but thanks for your suggestions.  
Ruth





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RE: CS>20 mule team BORAX

[Dan Nave]

Just don't use the product called "Boraxo."  It has soap, etc, added to
the Borax.
 
Dan
 
 



From: Max Sanders [mailto:mazsand...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 6:56 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>20 mule team BORAX


I just read a few of these posts and find it very interesting. Are you
talking about the "20 Mule Team Borax Natural Laundry Booster"?  Boron
may be good for one if needed, but is it OK to ingest the Borax product?
How do you know what else is in it and that it is safe? I always have a
box around for the other stuff, and it sure doesn't suggest ingesting
the material. Sounds as though it has helped your condition Daddybob.
Really very interesting.  I never knew boron was a hard to get element,
and had such consequences if deficient.

Maz

ransley  wrote: 

>OK, now I am confused. I had been taking the amount that sticks
to a wet
finger up to the first knuckle, and just measured it, and it
measured about
1/4 teaspoon. So is this the right amount, or about 30 times too
high?<

That's about right. Anymore will start to give you a herx if you
have
pathogenic arthritis. I try to take this much every day about 6
days a week.
When I took it 3-4 times a day for a week I got quite a herx
from it. Backed
off, went without for a few days, herx went away. Did it all
over, got herx
again. Backed off, herx stopped. Next time I took a lot of Bragg
vinegar
because it has boron, just to make sure about it all. Got a herx
again.

Taking the borax steadily is easier to live with and works just
fine. 

I am on a list to try a new boron product when it comes out.
I'll report
when that happens. For now, borax is probebly the single
sheapest and most
effective thing I've ever done for my arthritis. I've done lots
of things
that have worked, but nothing has worked this good, this cheap,
this easy.

Daddybob


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Re: CS>Digestion System - Brain in Gut, Heart . . .

[Rowena]

http://www.heartmath.org/research/science-of-the-heart/soh_13.html
I'm looking for a transcript of a program on the brain suggesting that the 
heart has its own nervous system/brain/memory, and these are some 
interesting sites along the way.
http://www.med.unc.edu/wellness/main/links/cellular%20memory.htm  Heart 
donors' preferences transferred to recipient.


Thanks For The Memories  - This the program, but there is no transcript.
http://www.abc.net.au/tv/guide/netw/200704/programs/ZY8704A001D12042007T203000.htm
Is it possible that in receiving a transplanted organ, a patient could also 
inherit some of their donor's memories and tastes as well?
In recent years several heart transplant recipients have reported unexpected 
side effects including memories, habits, desires and new talents they never 
had before. Patients who have experienced this extraordinary phenomenon make 
contact with their donor families in an effort to understand the significant 
changes in their lives, which in many cases have provided a new lease on 
life. A scientific explanation is yet to be found and many doctors still 
believe it's psychological.

This is from someone commenting on the program elsewhere: "One man had taken 
to writing poetry and found his donor had loved writing poetry for his 
family, another who had the heart of a stunt man suddenly became involved in 
marathon bike riding. A woman woke up after her operation stating 'I'm dying 
for a beer' when she had never particularly liked the drink at all. " 
(Mamgu, Wales)

Rowena


Link to "Brain in the GUT"
http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/08/24/healthscience/snbrain.php
I have seen others I like better.
I failed to mention, "The control system of the body".
That is another subject.

Wayne



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CS>bloodroot salves

[laquerencia33]

I called the fellow in Montana (www.risingsunhealth.com) last year about  
his products - his response when asked about staying out of trouble with  
the law was that he has special political connections that allow him  
remain in operation.


Deborah


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Re: CS>Re: CS protocols for congestive heart failure (CHF) AND idiopathic interstitial lung disease (IILD)

[Michael Zangari]

All three of these substances are stimulants and cause extreme tachycardia.
  If you are dealing with cardio myopathy be aware of doses and effects. 
Fatigue was such an issue for me I did it anyway. But very carefully, noting 
effects, half life and what I was doing.
  =z=


 
   Some of the supplements I remember are CoQ10 (high dose) brings oxygen into 
the heart muscle. L-Carnitine and D-ribose. Check-out what he says. He is 
regarded as one of the foremost heart specialists in the country.
  Paula
- Original Message - 
  From: Denise Rollheiser 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 8:18 AM
  Subject: CS>Re: CS protocols for congestive heart failure (CHF) AND 
idiopathic interstitial lung disease (IILD)
  

  In re-reading my post after a few hours sleep, I realize I forgot to include 
the fact that in addition to both Dad and Guy suffering from CHF, they both 
have leaky heart valvesnot sure if this makes any difference but it's a bit 
of info that should have been included originally.
   
  Guy's IILD does NOT come from exposure to asbestos or coal dust...hence the 
'idiopathic' tag to the diagnosis.
   
  Denise
   
- Original Message - 
  From: Denise Rollheiser 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 11:29 PM
  Subject: CS protocols for congestive heart failure (CHF) AND idiopathic 
interstitial lung disease (IILD)
  

  My father and my partner both suffer from CHF (Dad was diagnosed 2 weeks ago, 
Guy a number of years ago).  Guy also suffers from IILD.
   
  If anyone can provide protocol(s) for using CS to assist with either of these 
diseases or at least connect me with lists that can provide some guidance, I 
would be forever grateful.  While my Dad will celebrate his 90 b'day in Jan 08, 
his quality of life has deteriorated majorly since his Dx; Guy will be 60 in 
Nov 07 and I would like to have more time with him than less (his lung 
specialist has said that in the patients he has seen/sees with IILD - from 
diagnosis to lung failure is between 4-5 years...Guy was Dx'd about 18 months 
ago.)
   
  Thanks.
   
  Denise
  neec...@sasktel.net
   

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Re: CS>Boron

[Marshall Dudley]

Pat wrote:

3 mg boron caps are very cheap:  $5.95 for non-members for 100.
http://www.lef.org/newshop/items/item00621.html Cheaper elsewhere probably, 
but might not be in a form as easily absorbed.


I don't consider that cheap, for 3 mg.  I am taking about 60 mg of boron 
right now, to try and get my level up to where it should be, and that 
would be 20 caps a day, or about $1.20.  That is not much less than I 
paid for 5 pounds of borax which I expect to last about 20 years.


Marshall


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Re: CS>Salt/C Protocol / Blood Pressure

[Duncan Crow]

Dee, the group to watch for digestion issues is candidasis, a
vibrant group, 4300 strong. Here's our protocol for bowel
disorders, including digestion, Crohn's and colitis in addition
to bowel candida.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/candidiasis/message/53369

Duncan Crow
http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow

On 18 Jun 2007 at 20:05, ruth strackbein wrote:

> Hi, Dee, Thanks for your reply,  I suppose this does go with general health
> problems rather than strictly with Cs. But I do use CS and have a Silvergen
> generator, so I guess I just wasn't thinking . Ruth
>
> From Ruth Strackbein
>
>
> >From: "Dee " 
> >Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> >To: 
> >Subject: Re: CS>Salt/C Protocol / Blood Pressure
> >Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:13:57 +0100 (GMT Standard Time)
> >
> >You're right Ruth, and this is why this list is so helpful, although
> >strictly speaking it is OT again.  I don't really know why this happens,
> >because lettuce is really 'scouring' for most people and even rabbits which
> >lay people always think is the food for them, (although I know it isn't)
> >as
> >I said, my husband can only eat a ten pence size bit of lettuce or the
> >results are disastrous!  Bananas shouldn't be constipating because they are
> >high fibre' but everything like this is for me.  Normally, my system works
> >fine; I have never, ever had diarrhoea and as long as I stick to junk food
> >everything works fine; the minute I come over all 'healthy' it all grinds
> >to
> >a halt, so to speak.  I was just wondering if anyone knew why, but it is
> >interesting that lettuce etc., affects you in a similar way, especially as
> >you have so many problems, and I, ostensibly at least, do not.  Regards,
> >Dee
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >    -- 
> >
> > >why, but it might not be a good idea to hang around and find out.>
> >
> >-- (Terry Pratchett, Wyrd Sisters)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >---Original Message---
> >
> >
> >
> >From: Ruth strackbein
> >
> >Date: 18/06/2007 18:05:31
> >
> >To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> >
> >Subject: Re: CS>Salt/C Protocol / Blood Pressure
> >
> >
> >
> >Hi, Dee, I have been wondering if what you are saying here, Dee, may be
> >
> >Contributing to my digestive problems. Speaking of fruit, I am told that
> >
> >Bananas are constipating. I eat quite a few of those in spite of my
> >
> >Constipation since one ought to eat fruit and it is one of the few that
> >work
> >
> >
> >For my upper digestive tract.
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Re: CS>20 mule team BORAX

[Marshall Dudley]

gwms...@optonline.net wrote:
Did I miss something about the borax posts?  Why is everyone talking 
about taking borax when boron is so cheap, readily available and 
already pre-measured to the dose you want to take?
Where? I checked the health food store last night, and they only had it 
in 5 mg capsules.  For 50 mg, that would be 10 a day.  If it had been a 
reasonable amount for a reasonable price, I  would have bought it.


Marshall
 
Original Message -

From: ransley
Date: Monday, June 18, 2007 2:25 pm
Subject: RE: CS>20 mule team BORAX
To: silver-list@eskimo.com

> >Slow down the horses there.!
> Do you realise 1/4 tsp is 1000mg.? Hmmm Me thinks
> quite a large
> dose..??<
> ..
>
> > Yes, I realize that 1/4 is equal to 1000mg. ... How would
> you measure
> the 30mg that everyone has mentioned? <
> ..
>
> 30 mgs. of Borax is not 30 mgs. of boron. I'm going on memory,
> but seems
> like it does take about 1000 mgs. of borax to actually get the needed
> elemental boron.
>
> In any case, per my previous post, I've gone way past this. I'm
> still here
> and feeling better than ever.
>
> Daddybob.
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Re: CS>20 mule team BORAX

[Marshall Dudley]

If one is concerned about the purity of borax, then they could always 
purchase boric acid.  It is available in some drug stores in high 
purity.  Of course if you use that, the amount would go down since it 
contains a higher percentage of boron than borax does.


Marshall

Max Sanders wrote:
I just read a few of these posts and find it very interesting. Are you 
talking about the "20 Mule Team Borax Natural Laundry Booster"?  Boron 
may be good for one if needed, but is it OK to ingest the Borax 
product? How do you know what else is in it and that it is safe? I 
always have a box around for the other stuff, and it sure doesn't 
suggest ingesting the material. Sounds as though it has helped your 
condition Daddybob. Really very interesting.  I never knew boron was a 
hard to get element, and had such consequences if deficient.


Maz

*/ransley /* wrote:

>OK, now I am confused. I had been taking the amount that sticks
to a wet
finger up to the first knuckle, and just measured it, and it
measured about
1/4 teaspoon. So is this the right amount, or about 30 times too
high?<

That's about right. Anymore will start to give you a herx if you have
pathogenic arthritis. I try to take this much every day about 6
days a week.
When I took it 3-4 times a day for a week I got quite a herx from
it. Backed
off, went without for a few days, herx went away. Did it all over,
got herx
again. Backed off, herx stopped. Next time I took a lot of Bragg
vinegar
because it has boron, just to make sure about it all. Got a herx
again.

Taking the borax steadily is easier to live with and works just fine.

I am on a list to try a new boron product when it comes out. I'll
report
when that happens. For now, borax is probebly the single sheapest
and most
effective thing I've ever done for my arthritis. I've done lots of
things
that have worked, but nothing has worked this good, this cheap,
this easy.

Daddybob


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Re: CS>baking soda/aluminum?

[Marshall Dudley]

No, it is sodium hydrogen carbonate, AKA sodium bicarbonate.  That would 
have sodium, hydrogen, carbon and oxygen in it.


Marshall

jessie70 wrote:

Does regular baking soda have aluminum in it? Thanks, Jess

-Original Message-
*From:* Deborah Gerard [mailto:devorah...@yahoo.com]
*Sent:* Sunday, June 17, 2007 9:53 PM
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Subject:* Re: CS>Re: Folic acid

I use a little baking soda, without aluminum in it, in a little
water and get instant relief...beware though you burp really
loud...haha

*/Dee /* wrote:

Is not something like bicarbonate better for 'heartburn'
(indigestion) than
prescription meds. My husband took these things for years and
completely
messed his digestive system up. He now gets no pain at all
since he's
stopped taking them. Dee



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Date: 06/17/07 20:25:09

To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Subject: CS>Re: Folic acid





I am also trying to stop taking Prilosec. I take 15 drops of
5% Hcl with
each meal. Dr Mercola says to take Tagamet 2 per day for 2
months as
heartburn returns as soon as I stopped Prilosec. Does the Hcl
and Tagamet
counteract? I am at the 3 weeks of no Prilosec and currently
am taking both.


Brickey


















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Re: CS>Re: CS protocols for congestive heart failure (CHF) AND idiopathic interstitial lung disease (IILD)

[Clayton Family]

Flax oil works as well if you don't like fish.

On Jun 19, 2007, at 8:01 AM, Paula Perry wrote:


 
- Original Message -
 From: Paula Perry
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Re: CS protocols for congestive heart failure (CHF) 
AND idiopathic interstitial lung disease (IILD)

 
Denise,
I forgot to mention Fish Oil. Very important also.
Paula

Denise,
There is a book called, The Sinatra Solution, by Dr. Sinatra. I 
believe he has a website also. He lists the nutrients and protocol for 
heart issues. Some of the supplements I remember are CoQ10 (high dose) 
brings oxygen into the heart muscle. L-Carnitine and D-ribose. 
Check-out what he says. He is regarded as one of the foremost heart 
specialists in the country.

Paula
- Original Message -
 From: Denise Rollheiser
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sen


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Fw: CS>Re: CS protocols for congestive heart failure (CHF) AND idiopathic interstitial lung disease (IILD)

[Paula Perry]

- Original Message - 
From: Paula Perry 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Re: CS protocols for congestive heart failure (CHF) AND 
idiopathic interstitial lung disease (IILD)

Denise,
I forgot to mention Fish Oil. Very important also.
Paula


Denise,
There is a book called, The Sinatra Solution, by Dr. Sinatra. I believe he has 
a website also. He lists the nutrients and protocol for heart issues. Some of 
the supplements I remember are CoQ10 (high dose) brings oxygen into the heart 
muscle. L-Carnitine and D-ribose. Check-out what he says. He is regarded as one 
of the foremost heart specialists in the country.
Paula
  - Original Message - 
  From: Denise Rollheiser 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 8:18 AM
  Subject: CS>Re: CS protocols for congestive heart failure (CHF) AND 
idiopathic interstitial lung disease (IILD)


  In re-reading my post after a few hours sleep, I realize I forgot to include 
the fact that in addition to both Dad and Guy suffering from CHF, they both 
have leaky heart valvesnot sure if this makes any difference but it's a bit 
of info that should have been included originally.

  Guy's IILD does NOT come from exposure to asbestos or coal dust...hence the 
'idiopathic' tag to the diagnosis.

  Denise

- Original Message - 
From: Denise Rollheiser 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 11:29 PM
Subject: CS protocols for congestive heart failure (CHF) AND idiopathic 
interstitial lung disease (IILD)


My father and my partner both suffer from CHF (Dad was diagnosed 2 weeks 
ago, Guy a number of years ago).  Guy also suffers from IILD.

If anyone can provide protocol(s) for using CS to assist with either of 
these diseases or at least connect me with lists that can provide some 
guidance, I would be forever grateful.  While my Dad will celebrate his 90 
b'day in Jan 08, his quality of life has deteriorated majorly since his Dx; Guy 
will be 60 in Nov 07 and I would like to have more time with him than less (his 
lung specialist has said that in the patients he has seen/sees with IILD - from 
diagnosis to lung failure is between 4-5 years...Guy was Dx'd about 18 months 
ago.)

Thanks.

Denise
neec...@sasktel.net



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Re: CS>Re: CS protocols for congestive heart failure (CHF) AND idiopathic interstitial lung disease (IILD)

[Paula Perry]

Denise,
There is a book called, The Sinatra Solution, by Dr. Sinatra. I believe he has 
a website also. He lists the nutrients and protocol for heart issues. Some of 
the supplements I remember are CoQ10 (high dose) brings oxygen into the heart 
muscle. L-Carnitine and D-ribose. Check-out what he says. He is regarded as one 
of the foremost heart specialists in the country.
Paula
  - Original Message - 
  From: Denise Rollheiser 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 8:18 AM
  Subject: CS>Re: CS protocols for congestive heart failure (CHF) AND 
idiopathic interstitial lung disease (IILD)


  In re-reading my post after a few hours sleep, I realize I forgot to include 
the fact that in addition to both Dad and Guy suffering from CHF, they both 
have leaky heart valvesnot sure if this makes any difference but it's a bit 
of info that should have been included originally.

  Guy's IILD does NOT come from exposure to asbestos or coal dust...hence the 
'idiopathic' tag to the diagnosis.

  Denise

- Original Message - 
From: Denise Rollheiser 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 11:29 PM
Subject: CS protocols for congestive heart failure (CHF) AND idiopathic 
interstitial lung disease (IILD)


My father and my partner both suffer from CHF (Dad was diagnosed 2 weeks 
ago, Guy a number of years ago).  Guy also suffers from IILD.

If anyone can provide protocol(s) for using CS to assist with either of 
these diseases or at least connect me with lists that can provide some 
guidance, I would be forever grateful.  While my Dad will celebrate his 90 
b'day in Jan 08, his quality of life has deteriorated majorly since his Dx; Guy 
will be 60 in Nov 07 and I would like to have more time with him than less (his 
lung specialist has said that in the patients he has seen/sees with IILD - from 
diagnosis to lung failure is between 4-5 years...Guy was Dx'd about 18 months 
ago.)

Thanks.

Denise
neec...@sasktel.net



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Re: CS>Re: CS protocols for congestive heart failure (CHF) AND idiopathic interstitial lung disease (IILD)

[mborgert]

Check "lack of magnesium sites"

-- Original message --
From: Denise Rollheiser 
>
> In re-reading my post after a few hours sleep, I realize I forgot to include 
> the 
> fact that in addition to both Dad and Guy suffering from CHF, they both have 
> leaky heart valvesnot sure if this makes any difference but it's a bit of 
> info that should have been included originally.
> 
> Guy's IILD does NOT come from exposure to asbestos or coal dust...hence the 
> 'idiopathic' tag to the diagnosis.
> 
> Denise
> 
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Denise Rollheiser 
>   To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
>   Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 11:29 PM
>   Subject: CS protocols for congestive heart failure (CHF) AND idiopathic 
> interstitial lung disease (IILD)
> 
> 
>   My father and my partner both suffer from CHF (Dad was diagnosed 2 weeks 
> ago, 
> Guy a number of years ago).  Guy also suffers from IILD.
> 
>   If anyone can provide protocol(s) for using CS to assist with either of 
> these 
> diseases or at least connect me with lists that can provide some guidance, I 
> would be forever grateful.  While my Dad will celebrate his 90 b'day in Jan 
> 08, 
> his quality of life has deteriorated majorly since his Dx; Guy will be 60 in 
> Nov 
> 07 and I would like to have more time with him than less (his lung specialist 
> has said that in the patients he has seen/sees with IILD - from diagnosis to 
> lung failure is between 4-5 years...Guy was Dx'd about 18 months ago.)
> 
>   Thanks.
> 
>   Denise
>   neec...@sasktel.net



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CS>Re: CS protocols for congestive heart failure (CHF) AND idiopathic interstitial lung disease (IILD)

[Denise Rollheiser]

In re-reading my post after a few hours sleep, I realize I forgot to include 
the fact that in addition to both Dad and Guy suffering from CHF, they both 
have leaky heart valvesnot sure if this makes any difference but it's a bit 
of info that should have been included originally.

Guy's IILD does NOT come from exposure to asbestos or coal dust...hence the 
'idiopathic' tag to the diagnosis.

Denise

  - Original Message - 
  From: Denise Rollheiser 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 11:29 PM
  Subject: CS protocols for congestive heart failure (CHF) AND idiopathic 
interstitial lung disease (IILD)


  My father and my partner both suffer from CHF (Dad was diagnosed 2 weeks ago, 
Guy a number of years ago).  Guy also suffers from IILD.

  If anyone can provide protocol(s) for using CS to assist with either of these 
diseases or at least connect me with lists that can provide some guidance, I 
would be forever grateful.  While my Dad will celebrate his 90 b'day in Jan 08, 
his quality of life has deteriorated majorly since his Dx; Guy will be 60 in 
Nov 07 and I would like to have more time with him than less (his lung 
specialist has said that in the patients he has seen/sees with IILD - from 
diagnosis to lung failure is between 4-5 years...Guy was Dx'd about 18 months 
ago.)

  Thanks.

  Denise
  neec...@sasktel.net

Re: CS>Salt/C Protocol / Blood Pressure

[Dee]

I guess no-one will mind Ruth.  Regards Dee  

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From: Ruth strackbein 

Date: 19/06/2007 02:06:07 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Subject: Re: CS>Salt/C Protocol / Blood Pressure 

 

Hi, Dee, Thanks for your reply, I suppose this does go with general health 

Problems rather than strictly with Cs. But I do use CS and have a Silvergen 

Generator, so I guess I just wasn't thinking . Ruth 

 


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Re: CS>CS protocols for congestive heart failure (CHF) AND idiopathic interstitial lung disease (IILD)

[Michael Zangari]

I had chf.
  Please think about protocols this in terms or my own survival.
  I couldn't accept the idea that I would not survive. My injection rate was so 
low they told me the only thing that would save me is a heart transplant. I did 
my research. Evidently the chf washes out all the neurotransmitters from the 
heart. I started taking ribose for energy and to replenish the 
neurotransmitters in the heart. Experimentally they are infusing ribose into 
the heart after a failure. What evidently saved me was selegiline. I got it 
from Europe until I convinced my doctor to give me a prescription. My enlarged 
heart shrank. Organs repaired.
  I am living a relatively strong life. Though I am medication dependent. The 
weakness of chf comes from the left ventricle. That's where oxygenation happens 
to the brain. It causes cog native problems. Oxygen delivery becomes really 
important too. Selegiline also regulate cardiomyopathia and post partum 
depression. It is about as stimulating as two cups of coffee, though it reads 
as an amphetamine in drug tests. It is not an amphetamine A. It is amphetamine 
D. Which is a different animal.
   
  In the end, I am trying to get off disability and back to work. I feel pretty 
well.
  My doctor said it was a miraculous recovery. I don't know about that. But I 
do know that if I had been passive I would more than likely been dead.
  =z=
Denise Rollheiser  wrote:
  My father and my partner both suffer from CHF (Dad was diagnosed 2 
weeks ago, Guy a number of years ago).  Guy also suffers from IILD.
   
  If anyone can provide protocol(s) for using CS to assist with either of these 
diseases or at least connect me with lists that can provide some guidance, I 
would be forever grateful.  While my Dad will celebrate his 90 b'day in Jan 08, 
his quality of life has deteriorated majorly since his Dx; Guy will be 60 in 
Nov 07 and I would like to have more time with him than less (his lung 
specialist has said that in the patients he has seen/sees with IILD - from 
diagnosis to lung failure is between 4-5 years...Guy was Dx'd about 18 months 
ago.)
   
  Thanks.
   
  Denise
  neec...@sasktel.net
   



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Re: CS>Lugols - Cansema

[Jonathan B. Britten]

I think you're quite right, Jean.


On Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007, at 17:31 Asia/Tokyo, Jean Baugh wrote:


Hi,

This is what I call disinformation, allowing useless copies to be sold 
of previously effective cures.  How better to confuse the truth?


Jean






Bloodrootproducts,  mentioned below,  is,  if I am not mistaken, the
company claimed by altcancer.com  to sell an adulterated and largely
useless version of the original, FDA-suppressed Cancema salve.

Food for thought:  if altcancer's Cancema salve was dangerous and had
to be taken off the market, and the company owner had to be imprisoned,
  how can it be that another company based in the USA continues to sell
the (supposedly identical)  product?




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CS>Lugols - Cansema

[Jean Baugh]

> Hi,
> 
> This is what I call disinformation, allowing useless copies to be sold of
> previously effective cures.  How better to confuse the truth?
> 
> Jean
> 
> 
> 
>>  Bloodrootproducts,  mentioned below,  is,  if I am not mistaken, the
>> company claimed by altcancer.com  to sell an adulterated and largely
>> useless version of the original, FDA-suppressed Cancema salve.
>> 
>> Food for thought:  if altcancer's Cancema salve was dangerous and had
>> to be taken off the market, and the company owner had to be imprisoned,
>>   how can it be that another company based in the USA continues to sell
>> the (supposedly identical)  product?

Re: CS>Lugols

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Hi, Tel,

I have a great respect for the products of the late altcancer.com,  and 
know that what you way is true:  there was nothing wrong with their 
products, nor were they dangerous.   Cancema is a fine product and I 
have recommended it to many friends.


My question was rhetorical, intended to make a point about the survival 
of the company selling products that are supposedly the same as those 
from altcancer.com.





J.B.
The products were not faulty, nor dangerous, They were JUST not 
approved by the Lobby of Drug Co.s who control  the FDA  lab mice who 
live there.
The Indians in my state of South Dakota used the blood root salve for 
many years, before anyone else ever sold it.  Most old timers, and 
ranchers had access to it in the 30's and 40's,  It gained popularity 
in the 50's. Was sold at Wall Drug





Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ.




On Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007, at 11:22 Asia/Tokyo, Tel Tofflemire wrote:




"Jonathan B. Britten"  wrote:

Bloodrootproducts, mentioned below, is, if I am not mistaken, the
company claimed by altcancer.com to sell an adulterated and largely
useless version of the original, FDA-suppressed Cancema salve.

You can verify this claim by checking the homepage of altcancer.com.
There are a few sites selling products identical to the original
altcancer Cancema, by the way. Check around. One operates out of
Australia, selling the stuff for veterinary use.

Food for thought: if altcancer's Cancema salve was dangerous and had
to be taken off the market, and the company owner had to be imprisoned,
how can it be that another company based in the USA continues to sell
the (supposedly identical) product?








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Re: CS>Digestion System

[Dee]

Thanks a lot for all the info Wayne, but I think that all the healthy stuff
on your site would probably cause a traffic jam for weeks <> seriously,
I will take on board what you've said.  Dee  

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From: CWFugitt 

Date: 18/06/2007 20:53:08 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Subject: CS>Digestion System 

 

Evening Dee, 

 

>> At 03:27 AM 6/18/2007, you wrote: 

>Most doctors advocate high fibre/fruit diets etc., 

>> this has the dead opposite effect on. The more fruit/fibre/nuts 

I >> eat, the more constipated I become. 

 

Often the doctors should tell more. More options, more possibilities, 

And methods that might help. I guess you know, it is against the law for 

Them to recommend any treatment that is not AMA approved. Bad News ! ( 

That is AMA Law ) 

 

>> They make me horribly thirsty. Just wondered if you (or anyone else) 

Had heard of these phenomena. 

 


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