CS>Electrode Spacing

[Wayne Fugitt]

Evening Tony,

>> At 11:58 PM 5/8/2008, you wrote:
I use a 9 volt battery connected to two fine silver rods 2.5mm diameter by 
about 80 mm long.
Put the rods in 250 ml distilled water for about 1 hour and you will have 
something useful. the
rods need to be close about 15mm apart but must not touch each other. 
Swirl or stir with the

rods every 10 minutes or so.


  I make CS much the same way you do and do not disagree with anything you 
said.


  I have only one question.


the  rods need to be close about 15mm apart but must not touch each other


How do you arrive at this distance?  Mine are further than that.
And maybe another one,  why a specific distance ?

Wayne
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Re: CS>Cs containing nickel???

[Tony Moody]

Hi Patricia,
I use a 9 volt battery connected to two fine silver rods 2.5mm diameter by 
about 80 mm long. 
Put the rods in 250 ml distilled water for about 1 hour and you will have 
something useful. the 
rods need to be close about 15mm apart but must not touch each other. Swirl or 
stir with the 
rods every 10 minutes or so. 

Refinements: you could get yourself a millampmeter and check the current flow. 
For the 
above rods the current should be about 1 milliamp. Alter this by changing the 
distance 
between the rods; but not closer than say 12 mm. The current will be very low 
at the 
beginning of the process if the the distilled water is good. If the current is 
high, 1 ma or more 
then the distilled water is too conductive, or there is soap or other 
contamination. 

Have fun,
Tony Moody

 On 7 May 2008 at 17:05, patricia beja wrote about : Subject : Re: CS>Cs  
containing 
nickel???  

> Can anyone tell me how to go about making colloidal silver solution.
> Patricia
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Clayton Family" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 7:18 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>Cs containing nickel???
> 
> 
> Well,
> 
> Of course, if the silver is not pure enough it is possible to have 
> traces of other metals in it, including nickel. Also, if there is any 
> stainless steel in the apparatus it is possible to have nickel as a 
> contaminant.
> 
> If it is four nines silver (99.99%) , and you have a squeeky clean set 
> up and know the components, that risk can be minimised if someone is 
> severly allergic. It can be done, just a tiny bit more trouble.  It 
> should not be necessary for nearly everyone else.
> 
> I like her idea of the skin prick test for a severly allergic person. I 
> am allergic to nickel as well, but have never had any problems with my 
> solutions, and I use 3 nines silver (99.9%).
> 
> Just my thought, anyone else?
> 
> Kathryn
> 
> On May 6, 2008, at 8:55 PM, Hanneke wrote:
> 
> >  Hi all,
> >
> >  The statement below I came across another forum. I would like to 
> > respond to let this lady know there is no nickel in it. I would like 
> > some input with possible reference to refute her statement. Thanks.
> >
> > "Nickel is present in colloidal silver and many people have nickel 
> > allergies and don't realize it. I went into shock after drinking a 
> > very small amount.  I urge you to do a skin-prick test after every 
> > batch for each person who will consume the tonic."
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CS>Batteries, Types, and Toxic Substances

[Wayne Fugitt]

Evening David,

>>  At 10:23 PM 5/8/2008, you wrote:


(there you go, Wayne, I made the message consistent with the subject line)


 It is not hard to do.

Now, if these fools were really smart, they would install a pump in the 
pacemaker to inject

a high tech sodium and electrolyte solution into the heart muscle.

It might have to have some sensors and possibly a back pack full of support 
devices.


But, you could design it, . no doubt.

lithium-thionyl chloride batteries. Nowadays they mostly use the lithium 
iodine-polyvinylpyradine cell to power the pacemakers.
   Not sure what kind are used, but in primitive countries the people use 
watch batteries to commit

suicide.  They may be silver oxide or mercury.

I bet  it is a used one at that, because they cannot afford a new one.

If they are in a hurry, they swallow two at one time.

No need to study toxic substance, just ask them.

Wayne

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CS>Nebulizer comparison and recommendation.

[david]

Hello Dee

Mine came from the US. It came with a 120v to 13.5v/1000mA DC  
adaptor.   That adaptor is no use here in Australia so I had to buy  
my own 240v to 12v DC /1000mA adaptor. (About $20).  You will notice  
that my output DC voltage is slightly different but it seems to have  
worked fine for two years.


If you are in the UK note that there is a Medisana branch over there.  
The prices are a lot more expensive than the US but I guess its got  
the correct adaptor.

http://medisanauk.shoppinglinx.co.uk/

David











From: "Dee " 
Date: 9 May 2008 4:13:01 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: CS>Nebulizer comparison and recommendation.


Hi David, I rather like the idea of the Medisana.  Does it come  
with an AC adapter or do you have to buy this extra.  I couldn't  
understand it from the ad.  Dee

---Original Message---

From: da...@alchemysa.com.au
Date: 07/05/2008 04:08:22
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Nebulizer comparison and recommendation.

For various reasons I've bought and compared a few nebulizers lately.

The Transneb is a hand held unit. Its the most portable and quietest
of the ones I tested.  But its got some very small parts that I think
could be easily lost or broken. Its definitely not something that can
easily be used by someone with poor dexterity.  I wouldn't buy this
unless you REALLY needed a compact,very portable unit
http://www.portablenebs.com/omronelite.htm





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Re: CS>Pacemaker - Salts good and bad

[David Bearrow]

The only salt I know in a pacemaker is the ones used in the battery 
of some of the older pacemakers. There was one manufacturer using 
lithium-thionyl chloride batteries. Nowadays they mostly use the 
lithium iodine-polyvinylpyradine cell to power the pacemakers.


I don't know what this has to do with CS but if anyone is curious you 
can read a well written treatise on pacemaker batteries here:


http://www.ipej.org/0404/mallela.pdf

(there you go, Wayne, I made the message consistent with the subject line)


Dave

At 08:06 PM 5/8/2008, you wrote:
I don't think the stuff in Celtic sea salt  is any big deal, 
especially where so much of the stuff is found commonly in other 
foods.  Faith G.



- Original Message - From: "sol" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Pacemaker - Salts good and bad


Here you are..I could not find my saved link re nickel 
content of (celtic) sea salt, or it might have been realsalt. 
Thought it was celtic, but now I can't find it to refer to???

All of this was found by googling, btw

http://www.curezone.com/foods/salt/Celtic_Sea_Salt_Analysis.asp
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2005/12/anglesey_sea_sa.php
Unfortunately, what often gets omitted in mention of trace 
minerals are the minerals you don't want in your salt, such as 
natural trace levels of lead, mercury, and arsenic.


Natural lead and arsenic levels are not what concern me since they 
are miniscule: mercury is present in sea water in no small amount 
however. The oceans have a natural level of mercury that can 
potentially become dangerous when concentrated in such forms as sea salt.

http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=723128
http://www.solutions.uiuc.edu/content.cfm?series=3&item=286&Parents=0%7C28

http://www.healthfree.com/celtic_sea_salt.html  (the whole table 
didn't copy into this email)
TABLE 1 - Comparing Celtic Natural Gray Sea Salts to Boiled 
Mexican SaltMineral French CelticMexican Boiled

Magnesium1.00%0.1%
Manganese .01 .0001
Boron.001.0001
Copper.001.0001
Silicon.01.001
Iron .1.01
Nickel .0001.0001
Moisture-% By Weight5.790.31
The Proven Facts About Salt

Public health policy should be guided only by proven facts. 
Current scientific research reveals that there are actually very 
few salt-related health problems. Sodium, in the form of sodium 
chloride, plays an important part in the primary processes of 
digestion and absorption. Salt activates the first enzyme in the 
mouth, salivary amylase. At this stage, sodium exposes food to the 
tastebuds -a reason why food has always been salted "to taste"- it 
also helps start digestion by breaking down food. In the parietal 
cells of the stomach wall, sodium chloride generates hydrochloric 
acid, one of the most important of ail digestive secretions.


If potassium is in excess in relation to sodium, the body's enzyme 
pathway loses its ability to produce hydrochloric acid. Thus most 
diets, but especially vegetarian and grain diets, require slightly 
more salt in order to prevent an excess of potassium over sodium. 
With salt present, the acidity of the partially digested food is 
able to trigger off some needed natural sodium bicarbonate, 
derived from the supply of sodium chloride, as well as enzymatic 
and bile secretions from the gall bladder and pancreatic ducts. 
Without salt no digestion is possible.


In illnesses such as diabetes mellitus, Addison's disease, kidney 
or gastrointestinal disorders, or any time there has been surgery 
or other significant fluid losses triggered, the requirement for 
an abundant supply of salt is vital for survival. A certain amount 
of extra salt ration at that crucial time has often been the 
factor that has saved lives.

HTH,
google for more if you have the patience and interest
sol

P.S. In this search I ran across claims of benefit for seasalt and 
claims of "toxicity" of refined table salt (with or without 
additives) but once again never saw any actual double blinded 
clinical studies, though it is claimed that "scientific studies" 
exist, I didn't see actual references to any such published 
studies, perhaps I didn't look far enough.


Faith Gagne wrote:
Sol, where di d you get the information that Celtic sea salt 
contains aluminum and heavy metals.  Can you give us a 
link?  Thanks so much. Faith G.



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Re: CS>Cataract Surgery

[Dianne France]

Cindy

Your Mother-in-Law may well be right about waiting.  My mother was an active 
woman and caregiver for my invalid father.  They operated on her eye (cataract) 
and the pressure was up and it literally exploded.  The inside of the eye came 
out and she is now permanently blind in that eye.  It has been a total life 
changing thing for her.  Her other eye is somewhat sympathetic to the now blind 
eye and her vision sometimes comes and goes.  She tripped and fell and broke 
her hip due to the limited vision.  We never thought something so common place 
could be such a disaster.

We lost my dad some time after this happened but my Mom no longer is active 
because she is afraid.  She has never totally recovered from the hip surgery 
and uses a walker now.  

Caution is a good thing.  Things can happen.

Dianne
  - Original Message - 
  From: chaha 
  To: Silver List 
  Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 11:31 AM
  Subject: CS>Cataract Surgery


  My Mother-in-Law had her first cataract surgery this week and had a rare 
complication of pressure build-up in her eye.  She has found it traumatic 
enough to want to wait a while before having the second eye done.  She is 
severely limited now in her activities and she's normally very active.  Big 
bummer for her.  

  Both my parents have had both eyes done and love it.  My dad played golf the 
same day the second eye was done.  Both got the lense implant so glasses are 
not needed unless doing a lot of reading.  

  It certainly depends on the person how you'll respond.  In both cases, 
they've gotten recommendations of friends that did had successful surgeries.

  Cindy

Re: CS>Pacemaker - Salts good and bad

[Faith Gagne]

I don't think the stuff in Celtic sea salt  is any big deal, especially 
where so much of the stuff is found commonly in other foods.  Faith G.



- Original Message - 
From: "sol" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Pacemaker - Salts good and bad


Here you are..I could not find my saved link re nickel content 
of (celtic) sea salt, or it might have been realsalt. Thought it was 
celtic, but now I can't find it to refer to???

All of this was found by googling, btw

http://www.curezone.com/foods/salt/Celtic_Sea_Salt_Analysis.asp
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2005/12/anglesey_sea_sa.php
Unfortunately, what often gets omitted in mention of trace minerals are 
the minerals you don't want in your salt, such as natural trace levels of 
lead, mercury, and arsenic.


Natural lead and arsenic levels are not what concern me since they are 
miniscule: mercury is present in sea water in no small amount however. 
The oceans have a natural level of mercury that can potentially become 
dangerous when concentrated in such forms as sea salt.

http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=723128
http://www.solutions.uiuc.edu/content.cfm?series=3&item=286&Parents=0%7C28

http://www.healthfree.com/celtic_sea_salt.html  (the whole table didn't 
copy into this email)
TABLE 1 - Comparing Celtic Natural Gray Sea Salts to Boiled Mexican 
SaltMineral French CelticMexican Boiled

Magnesium1.00%0.1%
Manganese .01 .0001
Boron.001.0001
Copper.001.0001
Silicon.01.001
Iron .1.01
Nickel .0001.0001
Moisture-% By Weight5.790.31
The Proven Facts About Salt

Public health policy should be guided only by proven facts. Current 
scientific research reveals that there are actually very few salt-related 
health problems. Sodium, in the form of sodium chloride, plays an 
important part in the primary processes of digestion and absorption. Salt 
activates the first enzyme in the mouth, salivary amylase. At this stage, 
sodium exposes food to the tastebuds -a reason why food has always been 
salted "to taste"- it also helps start digestion by breaking down food. 
In the parietal cells of the stomach wall, sodium chloride generates 
hydrochloric acid, one of the most important of ail digestive secretions.


If potassium is in excess in relation to sodium, the body's enzyme 
pathway loses its ability to produce hydrochloric acid. Thus most diets, 
but especially vegetarian and grain diets, require slightly more salt in 
order to prevent an excess of potassium over sodium. With salt present, 
the acidity of the partially digested food is able to trigger off some 
needed natural sodium bicarbonate, derived from the supply of sodium 
chloride, as well as enzymatic and bile secretions from the gall bladder 
and pancreatic ducts. Without salt no digestion is possible.


In illnesses such as diabetes mellitus, Addison's disease, kidney or 
gastrointestinal disorders, or any time there has been surgery or other 
significant fluid losses triggered, the requirement for an abundant 
supply of salt is vital for survival. A certain amount of extra salt 
ration at that crucial time has often been the factor that has saved 
lives.

HTH,
google for more if you have the patience and interest
sol

P.S. In this search I ran across claims of benefit for seasalt and claims 
of "toxicity" of refined table salt (with or without additives) but once 
again never saw any actual double blinded clinical studies, though it is 
claimed that "scientific studies" exist, I didn't see actual references to 
any such published studies, perhaps I didn't look far enough.


Faith Gagne wrote:
Sol, where di d you get the information that Celtic sea salt contains 
aluminum and heavy metals.  Can you give us a link?  Thanks so much. 
Faith G.





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CS>Water and Salt Confusion

[Wayne Fugitt]

Evening Dee,

>> At 10:10 AM 5/8/2008, you wrote:

Well, I read that over eight glasses is too much (I think) I seem to 
remember this because this is the amount most seem to recommend.  Trouble 
is, I read so many things, that unless I am looking into that particular 
thing at the time, I just remember snippets.


Even if you remember all of it, confusion still exists.   Many reasons 
exist for the confusion.


The mainstream, and these doctors say one thing and alternative people say 
another.


Many different numbers exist for the MDR or RDA.

Some sources use Salt and others use Sodium.  More Confusion and different 
numbers.


Body weight, activity, temperature, humidity, radiant heat, all enter into 
the picture, including the color and type clothes.


My grandson drinks 3 gallons per day of water at times.  He carries a 3 
gallon pack plus another pack that weighs 65 pounds.   25 miles per day for 
4 days, a 100 mile march carrying all that weight requires that much water, 
and adequate electrolytes.


I do not think he worries about all the technical data, and all the 
articles in the world about

too much salt and too much water.

Too much is better than not enough, for people like him ,and even old, sick 
people.


Another reason for confusion is the ignorance or the masses, including 
professional people like doctors, nurses, and pharmacists.


Remember I asked 3 different pharmacists how much potassium was in a 10 MEQ 
tablet.

Two would not answer and the third one was dead wrong.

So, don't ask any of those fools how much salt or how much water you need 
in a day.


One final though,  the statements like too high, too low, too much and too 
little,  ever  8 glasses are

all Fuzzy Logic and cannot be defined.

Questions like this,   "Really?  How much is too much? " cannot be 
answered.  Period !


My grandson knows just how much he needs, ... all he can carry.

Wayne

===

Re: CS>Pacemaker - Salts good and bad

[sol]

Here you are..I could not find my saved link re nickel 
content of (celtic) sea salt, or it might have been realsalt. Thought it 
was celtic, but now I can't find it to refer to???

All of this was found by googling, btw

http://www.curezone.com/foods/salt/Celtic_Sea_Salt_Analysis.asp
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2005/12/anglesey_sea_sa.php
Unfortunately, what often gets omitted in mention of trace minerals 
are the minerals you don't want in your salt, such as natural trace 
levels of lead, mercury, and arsenic.


Natural lead and arsenic levels are not what concern me since they are 
miniscule: mercury is present in sea water in no small amount however. 
The oceans have a natural level of mercury that can potentially become 
dangerous when concentrated in such forms as sea salt.

http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=723128
http://www.solutions.uiuc.edu/content.cfm?series=3&item=286&Parents=0%7C28

http://www.healthfree.com/celtic_sea_salt.html  (the whole table didn't 
copy into this email)
TABLE 1 - Comparing Celtic Natural Gray Sea Salts to Boiled Mexican 
SaltMineral French CelticMexican Boiled

Magnesium1.00%0.1%
Manganese .01 .0001
Boron.001.0001
Copper.001.0001
Silicon.01.001
Iron .1.01
Nickel .0001.0001
Moisture-% By Weight5.790.31
The Proven Facts About Salt

Public health policy should be guided only by proven facts. Current 
scientific research reveals that there are actually very few 
salt-related health problems. Sodium, in the form of sodium chloride, 
plays an important part in the primary processes of digestion and 
absorption. Salt activates the first enzyme in the mouth, salivary 
amylase. At this stage, sodium exposes food to the tastebuds -a reason 
why food has always been salted "to taste"- it also helps start 
digestion by breaking down food. In the parietal cells of the stomach 
wall, sodium chloride generates hydrochloric acid, one of the most 
important of ail digestive secretions.


If potassium is in excess in relation to sodium, the body's enzyme 
pathway loses its ability to produce hydrochloric acid. Thus most 
diets, but especially vegetarian and grain diets, require slightly 
more salt in order to prevent an excess of potassium over sodium. With 
salt present, the acidity of the partially digested food is able to 
trigger off some needed natural sodium bicarbonate, derived from the 
supply of sodium chloride, as well as enzymatic and bile secretions 
from the gall bladder and pancreatic ducts. Without salt no digestion 
is possible.


In illnesses such as diabetes mellitus, Addison's disease, kidney or 
gastrointestinal disorders, or any time there has been surgery or 
other significant fluid losses triggered, the requirement for an 
abundant supply of salt is vital for survival. A certain amount of 
extra salt ration at that crucial time has often been the factor that 
has saved lives.

HTH,
google for more if you have the patience and interest
sol

P.S. In this search I ran across claims of benefit for seasalt and 
claims of "toxicity" of refined table salt (with or without additives) 
but once again never saw any actual double blinded clinical studies, 
though it is claimed that "scientific studies" exist, I didn't see 
actual references to any such published studies, perhaps I didn't look 
far enough.


Faith Gagne wrote:
Sol, where di d you get the information that Celtic sea salt contains 
aluminum and heavy metals.  Can you give us a link?  Thanks so much.  
Faith G.





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CS>Water, Milk, and All the BAD STUFF

[Wayne Fugitt]

At 01:14 PM 5/8/2008, you wrote:

I found this 
Faith. 
Http://www.itmonline.org/arts/water.htm 
hope it helps.  Dee


One needs to look at this main website.

Many, Many Articles.

http://www.itmonline.org/arts/dairy.htm
GIVING OUT BAD ADVICE?

Why Natural Health Care Practitioners Need To Be Careful
About Recommending Restricting Dairy Products.

essay by Subhuti Dharmananda, Ph.D., Director, Institute for Traditional 
Medicine, Portland, Oregon


Main Site.   http://www.itmonline.org/

Soon there will be 1000 message with this SAME, Bogus Subject line.
Pacemaker - Salts good and bad

And maybe 3 percent are RIGHT.

Wayne

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Re: CS>Nebulizer comparison and recommendation.

[Dee]

Hi David, I rather like the idea of the Medisana.  Does it come with an AC
adapter or do you have to buy this extra.  I couldn't understand it from the
ad.  Dee 
---Original Message---

From: da...@alchemysa.com.au
Date: 07/05/2008 04:08:22
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Nebulizer comparison and recommendation.
 
For various reasons I've bought and compared a few nebulizers lately.
 
The Transneb is a hand held unit. Its the most portable and quietest
of the ones I tested.  But its got some very small parts that I think
could be easily lost or broken. Its definitely not something that can
easily be used by someone with poor dexterity.  I wouldn't buy this
unless you REALLY needed a compact,very portable unit
http://www.portablenebs.com/omronelite.htm
 

Re: CS>Pacemaker - Salts good and bad

[Faith Gagne]

Thank you very much.  I am fairly well informed about water.  I certainly drink 
a lot of it and I know that I do not feel my best when I do not drink water.  I 
know that lots of people go to the doctor feeling poorly and all that is wrong 
with them is that they are dehydrated.  Faith G.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Dee 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 2:14 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>Pacemaker - Salts good and bad


I found this Faith.  Http://www.itmonline.org/arts/water.htm hope it 
helps.  Dee 

---Original Message---

From: Faith Gagne
Date: 08/05/2008 16:58:57
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Pacemaker - Salts good and bad

I do drink plenty of water daily.  I make sure of it.  I just wondered 
what
Dee's idea is of how much is too much.  Thanks a lot.  I abandoned 
Gatorade
once I found out it contained aspartame.  Faith G.
   
  
   

Re: CS>Pacemaker - Salts good and bad - skin reaction, 84 minerals,

[Clayton Family]

great post, thanks for the links.

On May 8, 2008, at 11:04 AM, Rowena wrote:

Sol, I wonder whether your skin's reaction to the Real Salt was in 
fact stuff coming out of you.  When people doing Salt and C increase 
their salt, they get all kinds of skin reactions, even things that 
look like paper cuts, 


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Re: CS>Pacemaker - Salts good and bad

[Dee]

I found this Faith.  Http://www.itmonline.org/arts/water.htm hope it helps. 
Dee 

---Original Message---
 
From: Faith Gagne
Date: 08/05/2008 16:58:57
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Pacemaker - Salts good and bad
 
I do drink plenty of water daily.  I make sure of it.  I just wondered what
Dee's idea is of how much is too much.  Thanks a lot.  I abandoned Gatorade
once I found out it contained aspartame.  Faith G.
 

Re: CS>Clostridiium difficile a growing problem - Intervention silver-infused flooring

[Rowena]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24407803?GT1=43001

There's no question that the rise of C. diff is tied to the cleanliness of the 
nation's hospitals, say researchers and health care advocates lobbying for 
better infection control. 

"Outbreaks highlight the fact that standard infection control procedures in 
hospitals are not as good as they could be," said Dr. Curtis Donskey, director 
of infection control at the Louis Stokes Veterans Affairs Medical Center in 
Cleveland, Ohio. 

Even after cleaning, studies show that C. diff spores linger on virtually every 
hospital surface, including bedrails, telephones, call buttons and toilets. 

. . . . 

Typical hospital germicides and alcohol hand sanitizers don't kill C. diff, 
experts said. Instead, it takes bleach to eliminate it from surfaces and the 
friction of soap and water to remove it from hands. 

But many hospitals have failed to make controlling C. diff a priority, critics 
contend. 

"The biggest problem in our hospitals is that they are filthy dirty," said Dr. 
Alfonso Torress-Cook, an epidemiologist who says he adopted practices that cut 
C. diff infections by 90 percent at his acute rehabilitation center in Orange 
County, Calif. 

"If we start cleaning the environment, the infection will take care of itself," 
he added.

Interventions can range from ultra-violet light targeted to kill C. diff germs 
to silver-infused flooring and antimicrobial curtains aimed at resisting the 
bugs.

Re: CS>Pacemaker - Salts good and bad - skin reaction, 84 minerals,

[kmilkowski]

Yep! The paper cuts or exit wounds are pretty frreaky.

 Rowena  wrote: 
> Sol, I wonder whether your skin's reaction to the Real Salt was in fact stuff 
> coming out of you.  When people doing Salt and C increase their salt, they 
> get all kinds of skin reactions, even things that look like paper cuts, 
> caused by critturs exiting the increasingly inhospitable environment caused 
> by the salt.  Do you remember when Daddybob did salt and C in solidarity with 
> his daughter who had Lyme Disease, and found a worm exiting from under his 
> tongue?  I find that whenever I start up again after a break, I get spots or 
> pimples or almost boils around the hairline at the back.  I think this would 
> be the same as what Daddybob called "risings", but I guess you Americans 
> would understand "risings" better than us Aussies.  Sounds like a good ol' 
> word there.
> 
> I have noticed some people get excited when they see minerals they are 
> suspicious of in the natural salts, e.g. fluoride, and sometimes stop using 
> them.  Not every mineral is in the salt, I think it is something like 80 out 
> of 124 (memory work, bad brain, don't complain!) but some of them do have 
> scary names.  But they are not the bad stuff, they are the natural form of 
> things man has misused or altered or poisoned us with.   Here is a link to 
> the Celtic Salt ingredients with a note on those heavy metals you mention: 
> http://dowsers.com/Celtic%20Sea%20Salt%20Analysis.pdf
> 
> If Real Salt is like the Himalayan salt, which I understand it is, then it 
> will be very, very old salt.
> RealSalt contains 50 natural occurring trace minerals like calcium, 
> potassium, sulphur, magnesium, iron, phosphorus, manganese, copper, iodine 
> and zinc.  http://www.realsalt.com/salt_facts.cfm
> http://www.realsalt.com/
> 
> Himalayan Salt:
>   a.. Re-mineralizing the body with 84 minerals and trace elements essential 
> to health 
>   b.. Replenishing electrolytes 
>   c.. Balancing the body's pH
>   d.. Improving respiratory, circulatory, organ, connectivity tissue and 
> nervous system functions. 
>   e.. Assisting in the cellular absorption of nutrients.
> hydrogen, lithium, beryllium, boron, carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, fluoride, 
> sodium, magnesium, aluminum, silicum, phosphorus, sulfur, chloride, calcium, 
> scandium, titanium, vanadium, chromium, manganese, iron, cobalt, nickel, 
> copper, zinc, gallium, germanium, arsenic, selenium, bromine, rubidium, 
> strontium, yttrium, zirconium, niobium, molybdenum, ruthenium, rhodium 
> palladium, silver, cadmium, indium, tin, antimony, tellurium, iodine, cesium, 
> barium, lanthanum, cerium, praseodymium, samarium, europium, gadolinium, 
> terbium, dysprosium, holmium, erbium, thulium, ytterbium, lutetium, hafnium, 
> tantalum, tungsten, rhenium, osmium, iridium, platinum, gold, mercury, 
> thallium, lead, bismuth, polonium, astatine, francium, radium, actinium, 
> thorium, protactinium, uranium, neptunium and plutonium.   
> http://www.himalayanlivingsalt.com/salt_facts.htm#c   
> http://www.himalayanlivingsalt.com/FAQ.htm
> http://www.himalayanlivingsalt.com/index.htm
> 
> 
> Rowena
> 
> 
> Real Salt does taste wonderful. Unfortunately I began to get a skin 
> reaction to only 1/4 tsp of it, so I can't use it. Wish I could for the 
> flavor though.
> Does Real Salt not contain aluminum? Celtic sea salt, which I checked on 
> does contain aluminum, also mercury, and heavy metals, plus also nickel. 
> I forget if Real Salt contains nickel.
> sol
> 


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Re: CS>Pacemaker - Salts good and bad - skin reaction, 84 minerals,

[Rowena]

Sol, I wonder whether your skin's reaction to the Real Salt was in fact stuff 
coming out of you.  When people doing Salt and C increase their salt, they get 
all kinds of skin reactions, even things that look like paper cuts, caused by 
critturs exiting the increasingly inhospitable environment caused by the salt.  
Do you remember when Daddybob did salt and C in solidarity with his daughter 
who had Lyme Disease, and found a worm exiting from under his tongue?  I find 
that whenever I start up again after a break, I get spots or pimples or almost 
boils around the hairline at the back.  I think this would be the same as what 
Daddybob called "risings", but I guess you Americans would understand "risings" 
better than us Aussies.  Sounds like a good ol' word there.

I have noticed some people get excited when they see minerals they are 
suspicious of in the natural salts, e.g. fluoride, and sometimes stop using 
them.  Not every mineral is in the salt, I think it is something like 80 out of 
124 (memory work, bad brain, don't complain!) but some of them do have scary 
names.  But they are not the bad stuff, they are the natural form of things man 
has misused or altered or poisoned us with.   Here is a link to the Celtic Salt 
ingredients with a note on those heavy metals you mention: 
http://dowsers.com/Celtic%20Sea%20Salt%20Analysis.pdf

If Real Salt is like the Himalayan salt, which I understand it is, then it will 
be very, very old salt.
RealSalt contains 50 natural occurring trace minerals like calcium, potassium, 
sulphur, magnesium, iron, phosphorus, manganese, copper, iodine and zinc.  
http://www.realsalt.com/salt_facts.cfm
http://www.realsalt.com/

Himalayan Salt:
  a.. Re-mineralizing the body with 84 minerals and trace elements essential to 
health 
  b.. Replenishing electrolytes 
  c.. Balancing the body's pH
  d.. Improving respiratory, circulatory, organ, connectivity tissue and 
nervous system functions. 
  e.. Assisting in the cellular absorption of nutrients.
hydrogen, lithium, beryllium, boron, carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, fluoride, 
sodium, magnesium, aluminum, silicum, phosphorus, sulfur, chloride, calcium, 
scandium, titanium, vanadium, chromium, manganese, iron, cobalt, nickel, 
copper, zinc, gallium, germanium, arsenic, selenium, bromine, rubidium, 
strontium, yttrium, zirconium, niobium, molybdenum, ruthenium, rhodium 
palladium, silver, cadmium, indium, tin, antimony, tellurium, iodine, cesium, 
barium, lanthanum, cerium, praseodymium, samarium, europium, gadolinium, 
terbium, dysprosium, holmium, erbium, thulium, ytterbium, lutetium, hafnium, 
tantalum, tungsten, rhenium, osmium, iridium, platinum, gold, mercury, 
thallium, lead, bismuth, polonium, astatine, francium, radium, actinium, 
thorium, protactinium, uranium, neptunium and plutonium.   
http://www.himalayanlivingsalt.com/salt_facts.htm#c   
http://www.himalayanlivingsalt.com/FAQ.htm
http://www.himalayanlivingsalt.com/index.htm


Rowena


Real Salt does taste wonderful. Unfortunately I began to get a skin 
reaction to only 1/4 tsp of it, so I can't use it. Wish I could for the 
flavor though.
Does Real Salt not contain aluminum? Celtic sea salt, which I checked on 
does contain aluminum, also mercury, and heavy metals, plus also nickel. 
I forget if Real Salt contains nickel.
sol

Re: CS>Pacemaker - Salts good and bad

[Faith Gagne]

I do drink plenty of water daily.  I make sure of it.  I just wondered what 
Dee's idea is of how much is too much.  Thanks a lot.  I abandoned Gatorade 
once I found out it contained aspartame.  Faith G.


- Original Message - 
From: 

To: 
Cc: "Faith Gagne" 
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Pacemaker - Salts good and bad


Hey Faith,
A good rule of thumd is half your body wieght in ounces of water. So if you 
weigh 160 pounds, that'd be pretty close to 3 liters or quarts of water per 
day. Weather and sweating would increase the amount. It's better to drink 
water in small amounts throughout the day then wait till your thirsty. When 
you feel thirsty it's because your body is dehydrated. You may have seen or 
heard of athletes chugging water and dropping dead from doing so?? When you 
chug in a large amount of water it pulls all the minerals including salt 
from your body and can stop your heart from beating on the spot, no salt no 
way for your heart to beat. This is why athletes drink gator-ade or other 
sports drinks because they contain electrolytes so that doesn't happen. Of 
course, they are loaded with food coloring and aspartame, so it would be 
better to drink a salt water mixture. Problem is they can't get paid from 
any company through endorsements for drinking salt water. The sports drinks 
do taste pretty good too, unlike salt water.


Kurt


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CS>Cataract Surgery

[chaha]

My Mother-in-Law had her first cataract surgery this week and had a rare 
complication of pressure build-up in her eye.  She has found it traumatic 
enough to want to wait a while before having the second eye done.  She is 
severely limited now in her activities and she's normally very active.  Big 
bummer for her.  

Both my parents have had both eyes done and love it.  My dad played golf the 
same day the second eye was done.  Both got the lense implant so glasses are 
not needed unless doing a lot of reading.  

It certainly depends on the person how you'll respond.  In both cases, they've 
gotten recommendations of friends that did had successful surgeries.

Cindy

Re: CS>Pacemaker - Salts good and bad

[Dee]

Well, I read that over eight glasses is too much (I think) I seem to
remember this because this is the amount most seem to recommend.  Trouble is
 I read so many things, that unless I am looking into that particular thing
at the time, I just remember snippets.  Sorry not to be more specific.  Dee 

---Original Message---
 
From: Faith Gagne
Date: 08/05/2008 15:04:16
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Pacemaker - Salts good and bad
 
Really?  How much is too much?  Faith G.
 
 

CS>Coffee and arthritis or joint pain

[Dan Nave]

Gayla,  
 
I have that problem too.  Brooks Bradley noted this, and suggested that
a person drink 2 portions of water for every portion of coffee drunk.
This extra water tends to wash out the coffee or whatever the coffee is
doing or stirring up and helps get it out of the body.  I have found
that this is a great help, but I can only drink strong coffee once a
week or weaker coffee a couple of times a week without ending up with
joint pain.  It actually seems like the pain in the connective tissues
around the joints, etc.
 
Dan
 
 





From: Gayla Roberts [mailto:aera...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 3:39 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Pacemaker-- cholesterol and water


Ah coffee! I love coffee but if I drink even 1 cup my arthritis
kills me the next day. ***groan!!!***
Gayla Roberts
Always Enough Ranch
Acampo, California
aera...@gmail.com 


- Original Message - 
From: Judy K   
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 8:24 AM
Subject: RE: CS>Pacemaker-- cholesterol and water

Never sodas!  Nothing but expensive poison!
On the coffee -- that's an on-going argument in my head!

RE: CS>Salt Questions

[Dan Nave]

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seawater

Seawater is (impure) water from a sea or ocean. On average, seawater in the 
world's oceans has a salinity of ~3.5%, or 35 parts per thousand. This means 
that every 1 kg of seawater has approximately 35 grams of dissolved salts 
(mostly, but not entirely, the ions of sodium chloride: Na+, Cl-). The average 
density of seawater at the surface of the ocean is 1.025 g/ml; seawater is 
denser than fresh water (which reaches a maximum density of 1.000 g/ml at a 
temperature of 4°C) because of the added weight of the salts and 
electrostriction.[1] The freezing point of sea water decreases with increasing 
salinity and is about -2°C (28.4°F) at 35 parts per thousand. [2]


> -Original Message-
> From: kmilkow...@cfl.rr.com [mailto:kmilkow...@cfl.rr.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 9:27 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Cc: Clayton Family
> Subject: Re: CS>Salt Questions
> 
> The second question would depend on where you live. Salt 
> quantities differ in different bodies of water.
> 
>  Clayton Family  wrote: 
> > My parents boil it for a little while to sterilize it, then 
> drink an 
> > ounce or so a day as a supplement. They also drive to a spot they 
> > consider clean to collect it. That would be away from any sewage 
> > treatment plants.
> > 
> > I don't know the answer to the second question.
> > 
> > kathryn
> > 
> > On May 7, 2008, at 9:21 PM, nessie wrote:
> > 
> > > Question  about salt.. I live by the ocean,  how would 
> one "Purify" 
> > > ocean water for consumption.??
> > > And second question, what is the concentration of salt in 
> sea water.?
> > >   tks...nessie
> > 
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Re: CS>Salt Questions

[kmilkowski]

The second question would depend on where you live. Salt quantities differ in 
different bodies of water.

 Clayton Family  wrote: 
> My parents boil it for a little while to sterilize it, then drink an 
> ounce or so a day as a supplement. They also drive to a spot they 
> consider clean to collect it. That would be away from any sewage 
> treatment plants.
> 
> I don't know the answer to the second question.
> 
> kathryn
> 
> On May 7, 2008, at 9:21 PM, nessie wrote:
> 
> > Question  about salt.. I live by the ocean,  how would one "Purify" 
> > ocean water for consumption.??
> > And second question, what is the concentration of salt in sea water.?
> >   tks...nessie
> 
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RE: CS>Nebulizer comparison and recommendation.

[Ode Coyote]

94% of finely divided silver dust inhaled by dogs exited through the feces 
within  30 days [Phalen and Morrow]


That's "dust" and the only path from that blow hole to the other is?

Nevertheless, doing *anything* day in and day out without good 
reasonisn't all that reasonable.


Yes, specifically the ultrasonic.

Ode




At 09:20 AM 5/7/2008 -0400, you wrote:


...are all the Reli-On cool mist machines ultrasonic?  i assume the warm
mist model isn't?

seems i've read some stuff that makes me wonder if taking in EIS/CS via the
lungs is really a good idea for daily, steady, long term heavy use.  i would
think the ions are no problem, but the particles might be the concern i read
about.  so, for this intensity of use maybe it would be best to nebulize CS
that's aged and (re-)filtered until all particulate % has agglomerated and
been filtered out until it's all ionic?


typical me, i remember the current conclusion i came to about what i would
do/not-do while forgetting most all traces of the basis of the decision.

> -Original Message-
> From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 6:55 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Nebulizer comparison and recommendation.
>
>
>
>
>   The Medisana actually states [or did] that it has a nebulizer discharge
> tube in the literature.
>   That info is not on the box.
> It also has no filters to bypass or gut.
>
> A Reli/on ultrasonic puts out a lot more vapor, but has a filter...easily
> gutted. The omni directional discharge can be removed and replaced with
> something like a vacuum cleaner hose.
>
> ode
>


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Re: CS>Salt Questions

[Clayton Family]

My parents boil it for a little while to sterilize it, then drink an 
ounce or so a day as a supplement. They also drive to a spot they 
consider clean to collect it. That would be away from any sewage 
treatment plants.


I don't know the answer to the second question.

kathryn

On May 7, 2008, at 9:21 PM, nessie wrote:

Question  about salt.. I live by the ocean,  how would one "Purify" 
ocean water for consumption.??

And second question, what is the concentration of salt in sea water.?
  tks...nessie



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Re: CS>Pacemaker - Salts good and bad

[kmilkowski]

Hey Faith,
A good rule of thumd is half your body wieght in ounces of water. So if you 
weigh 160 pounds, that'd be pretty close to 3 liters or quarts of water per 
day. Weather and sweating would increase the amount. It's better to drink water 
in small amounts throughout the day then wait till your thirsty. When you feel 
thirsty it's because your body is dehydrated. You may have seen or heard of 
athletes chugging water and dropping dead from doing so?? When you chug in a 
large amount of water it pulls all the minerals including salt from your body 
and can stop your heart from beating on the spot, no salt no way for your heart 
to beat. This is why athletes drink gator-ade or other sports drinks because 
they contain electrolytes so that doesn't happen. Of course, they are loaded 
with food coloring and aspartame, so it would be better to drink a salt water 
mixture. Problem is they can't get paid from any company through endorsements 
for drinking salt water. The sports drinks do taste pretty good too, unlike 
salt water.

Kurt
 Faith Gagne  wrote: 
> Really?  How much is too much?  Faith G.
> 
> 
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Dee 
>   To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
>   Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 7:06 AM
>   Subject: Re: CS>Pacemaker - Salts good and bad
> 
> 
> I read somewhere else that drinking too much water can be bad for 
> you.  I think that again, it should be all done in moderation and according 
> to the circumstances at the time, i.e. Heat etc.,  just another two penneth, 
> as they say.  I agree that the sites are great. Dee 
> 
> ---Original Message---
> 
> From: Faith Gagne
> Date: 05/07/08 19:46:23
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Pacemaker - Salts good and bad
> 
> Rowena, these sites are terrific and I have bookmarked them for 
> further reading.  I do drink a lot of water.  My primary care doctor always 
> asks me if i am drinking enough water.  I dirnk a couple of quarts a day but 
> maybe I need to drink more.  Thanks again.  Faith G.
>
>   
>


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Re: CS>Pacemaker - Salts good and bad

[Faith Gagne]

Really?  How much is too much?  Faith G.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Dee 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 7:06 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>Pacemaker - Salts good and bad


I read somewhere else that drinking too much water can be bad for you.  
I think that again, it should be all done in moderation and according to the 
circumstances at the time, i.e. Heat etc.,  just another two penneth, as they 
say.  I agree that the sites are great. Dee 

---Original Message---

From: Faith Gagne
Date: 05/07/08 19:46:23
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Pacemaker - Salts good and bad

Rowena, these sites are terrific and I have bookmarked them for further 
reading.  I do drink a lot of water.  My primary care doctor always asks me if 
i am drinking enough water.  I dirnk a couple of quarts a day but maybe I need 
to drink more.  Thanks again.  Faith G.
   
  
   

Re: CS>There is a Salt Conspiracy, Guess who is behind it ?

[kmilkowski]

Well, table salt is great for melting ice and killing slugs, it might be worth 
a shot.


 Paula Perry  wrote: 
> Wayne,
> You make a lot of sense. I am wondering if ordinary table salt as a "posion" 
> might have some benificial disinfectant properties in the body. I would think 
> that it might be healtier than the" no salt" incouraged by some of our 
> medical genius.
> 
> Wondering if you know a good way to get rid of beatles on potato plants?  We 
> seem to be having an influx of bugs this year.
> Thanks,
> Paula
> 
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Wayne Fugitt 
>   To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
>   Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 12:52 PM
>   Subject: CS>There is a Salt Conspiracy, Guess who is behind it ?
> 
> 
>   Evening Rowena,
> 
>   At 10:37 AM 5/7/2008, you wrote:
> 
> If what the cardiologist told you kept you away from ordinary table salt 
> (I have heard it called Morton's by Americans; I don't live in the US) then 
> that was likely a good thing, but you do need salt, i.e. whole salt, not 
> heated. 
> 
>  Great article and information about Salt.
> 
>   Many doctors, if not most, simply say,  "Don't eat any salt".
>   Likely they do not know there are more than one kind.  Of course they are 
> brainwashed and fools as well.  Not sure which they were first.
> 
>   Now, the important stuff.
> 
>   While a bit too much salt may have some effect on some people, 
> 
>   The Effect of Not enough  Effects Everyone.
> 
>   Without it, you will likely DIE, one way or the other.  And in many cases 
> it will lower blood pressure within minutes, maybe even seconds.
> 
>   Consider this, 
> 
>   Wild Animals have been observed walking 100 miles to get salt.
>   I guess they did not read the false information or they have no foolish, 
> idiot doctor.
> 
>   Salt, like Cholesterol is not a big, bad evil.  Both are essential for life.
> 
>   Wayne
> 
>   ==


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CS>On making CS

[Judy K]

I urge you to look into the silverpuppy generator

www.silverpuppy.com

Good, simple design rhat works well.
Judy Down Maine


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CS>Ode -- can you comment on this CS-making video?

[Judy K]

Thanks,
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Re: CS>There is a Salt Conspiracy, Guess who is behind it ?

[Paula Perry]

Wayne,
You make a lot of sense. I am wondering if ordinary table salt as a "posion" 
might have some benificial disinfectant properties in the body. I would think 
that it might be healtier than the" no salt" incouraged by some of our medical 
genius.

Wondering if you know a good way to get rid of beatles on potato plants?  We 
seem to be having an influx of bugs this year.
Thanks,
Paula

  - Original Message - 
  From: Wayne Fugitt 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 12:52 PM
  Subject: CS>There is a Salt Conspiracy, Guess who is behind it ?


  Evening Rowena,

  At 10:37 AM 5/7/2008, you wrote:

If what the cardiologist told you kept you away from ordinary table salt (I 
have heard it called Morton's by Americans; I don't live in the US) then that 
was likely a good thing, but you do need salt, i.e. whole salt, not heated. 

 Great article and information about Salt.

  Many doctors, if not most, simply say,  "Don't eat any salt".
  Likely they do not know there are more than one kind.  Of course they are 
brainwashed and fools as well.  Not sure which they were first.

  Now, the important stuff.

  While a bit too much salt may have some effect on some people, 

  The Effect of Not enough  Effects Everyone.

  Without it, you will likely DIE, one way or the other.  And in many cases it 
will lower blood pressure within minutes, maybe even seconds.

  Consider this, 

  Wild Animals have been observed walking 100 miles to get salt.
  I guess they did not read the false information or they have no foolish, 
idiot doctor.

  Salt, like Cholesterol is not a big, bad evil.  Both are essential for life.

  Wayne

  == 

Re: CS>Pacemaker - Salts good and bad

[Dee]

I think all these sort of things contain heavy metals because they are a
part of the whole mineral picture.  It is all to do with amounts and balance
I believe.  Dee 

---Original Message---
 
From: Faith Gagne
Date: 08/05/2008 00:49:36
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Pacemaker - Salts good and bad
 
Sol, where di d you get the information that Celtic sea salt contains
aluminum and heavy metals.  Can you give us a link?  Thanks so much.  Faith
G.
 
 

Re: CS>Pacemaker - Salts good and bad

[Dee]

I read somewhere else that drinking too much water can be bad for you.  I
think that again, it should be all done in moderation and according to the
circumstances at the time, i.e. Heat etc.,  just another two penneth, as
they say.  I agree that the sites are great. Dee 

---Original Message---
 
From: Faith Gagne
Date: 05/07/08 19:46:23
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Pacemaker - Salts good and bad
 
Rowena, these sites are terrific and I have bookmarked them for further
reading.  I do drink a lot of water.  My primary care doctor always asks me
if i am drinking enough water.  I dirnk a couple of quarts a day but maybe I
need to drink more.  Thanks again.  Faith G.
 

Re: CS>how to make CS

[M1marine]

 
In a message dated 5/7/2008 8:54:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
bobl...@cablespeed.com writes:


>  Can anyone tell me how to go about making colloidal silver solution.
>  Patricia



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